November 5, 2024 • 44 mins
Dan recaps last night's Monday Night Football Game between the Chiefs and Bucs. Bill Cowher discusses the outlook for the Chiefs this season. And Mike Florio discusses the likelihood of Bill Belichick returning to the NFL as a head coach next year and updates all the NFL trade deadline action..
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Chiefs over the Buccaneers in overtime. They now are eight
to no. It's weird to be undefeated, to be eight
no and feel like an underdog of sorts. We'll talk
about that coming up. Bill Cower, Hall of Fame coach,
will join us. Also Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk
NBC Sports with the trade deadline, the deals that will
be done, the deals that should be done. So we'll
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talk to Florio about that. College basketball. Last night a
weird NBA game. I'm watching the Clippers and the Spurs,
and the Spurs are up by I think twenty six
after one quarter, and I go all right. Clippers ended
up winning the game, so you're up. It's hard to
be up by I think twenty six points after one
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quarter and you're the Spurs and they're playing without Greg Popovich.
But Clippers came back. I watched some of Duke against
Maine with Cooper Flagg projected to be the number one
pick overall with year's NBA draft, and then back and
forth with the football game, which was a lot more
competitive from the Buccaneers perspective because you don't have your
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two best receivers in there, and they kept it close,
close enough to go into overtime. And you could even
see the grimace on Baker Mayfield's face when they lost
the coin toss because Baker Mayfield new, well, here's the game.
Mahomes has the ball. Patrick Mahomes is six to zero
in regular season overtime games. He's the only quarterback to
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have an unblemish record in six or more overtime games.
Terry Bradshaw was five and zero all time in regular
season overtime games. Stat of the Day, Stat of the day,
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the way tire buying should be. The Chiefs now have
seven comeback wins this season. That's tied with the oh
let's see two thousand Raiders and nineteen eighty three Cowboys
for the most comeback wins through the first eight games
of a season all time. Now, I don't know if
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this is the scary proposition of that defense is good,
the offense is going to get better. It feels like
they've had a different starting lineup from the skill position
perspective every single month. So September was different than October,
and November looks to be different as well. You get
DeAndre Hopkins in there, like you you're starting to have
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that play play a lot like the Patriots used to have.
The Patriots year to year, it felt like they didn't
have the same starting lineup when it came to skilled
position guys. Now you would still have Gronk and their
Edelman or Wes Welker, but a lot of replaceable parts.
And I think that's what's been great about what Andy
Reid and Patrick Mahomes has done is they say to
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the defense, keep us in the game and we'll win it.
And that's what you see when Mahomes has the ball.
He has now become Tom Brady, give him the ball.
Game them a line, You're going to lose, plain and simple. Now,
I thought that they looked better, more aggressive. Kelsey looked good.
You got the Hopkins aspect here. Kareem Hunt. Anybody could
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have had him. He had a good game as well.
The plug and play, and that goes back to the
front office, that goes back to the head coach, and
certainly goes back to the quarterback. You give him a chance.
There's time on the clock. Now there's controversy at the
end of the game, or at least I thought the
Buccaneers should have gone for two, because now you can
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worry about Mahomes getting the ball back with thirty seconds
to go. I wouldn't have been concerned about that. I
would have you score a touchdown, go for two. You're
on the road. I don't want Mahomes geting the ball.
I'm gonna take my chance. And look, that division is
up for grabs, the Buccaneers and the Falcons, and you know,
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these games can be the difference between winning or not.
But this is where sometimes you get caught up in analytics,
and there are certain players where I'll say, here's your
analytics and this is what you can do with them.
I want to make sure that if I have a
chance to meet Mahomes, I'm going to take it. I'm
down at the two yard line now, I know I
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don't have my best receivers in there, and this isn't
after the fact, this was during I'd be like, I'm
going to go. I'm going to go for this because
we've seen when Mahomes gets that opportunity, he is going
to make you pay every single time. But the Buccaneers
had their chances played pretty well. Here is Todd Bowles
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on not going for two points.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Well, it's a tough way to finish the game.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Did you get any thought to going for two there?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
The touchdown there at the end, Oh, very minor.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
We want to get it to overtime.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
With the wet conditions on the field, we felt like
we had to go on overtime instead of go for two.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So we had our shots.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
You know, we lost the game.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You know, here's a sidebar. Can we have somebody with
a microphone so we can hear the reporters a little
better when they ask the questions. I mean this is
decades now. I've been to hundreds and hundreds of press conferences.
Can we make it so we could understand the reporter
and instead of you turn up the volume really loud
and then you'll get the answer. Yes, Tom, I love,
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we all love that you've opened the door for a
pet peeve Tuesday, because there could be other pet peeves
in this room and that is a great start to
why can't we hear clearly the reporter's question? Okay, I
did open the pet peeve door, and I don't know
if this is going to be an onslaught of pet
peeves today, but I'm open. I'm open to that my
pet peeve is not to hear your pet peeves. This
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is what I'm saying. Yes, Pauline, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
If this is a pet peeve, but if you were
listening at the end of the game to Aikman, he
was really adamant that the Bucks should do whatever they
can to run the clock and not burn that time
out with thirty seconds left at the one and a
half yard lines, like, oh no, let it run a
little bit. Call timeout at twenty, call two plays and
then worst case scenario, you score and Mahomes has like
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fourteen seconds and three timeouts instead of thirty, which he
even SAYD he goes that doesn't sound like a big deal.
That's a huge deal for Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I wouldn't even have thought about that. If Mahomes beats
me with thirty seconds to go in three timeouts, okay,
but I'm going to put the pressure on him. Not hey,
if we get a field goal. You know, Butker can
kick at sixty yards. But I would have said, we
got him, let's put an end to this. We got
to kill him off here because if we go into overtime,
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it's not going to end well on the road. Go
for the win at home, go for the tie. That's
always been my thought process with this. But DeAndre Hopkins
caught a touchdown pass from his fourteenth different quarterback that
is tied for the fifth most in NFL history. What
player has the most touchdown passes from the most quarterbacks?
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I'm just going to say the most different, but the
most quarterback touchdown passes. This wide receiver is the number
one wide receiver in that category.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yes, Paul, can we ask for a hint? Is the
recent almost maybe even active?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
You didn't even wait for me to say yes or
no for the hint? I know don't want to have
a hint as the most recent Brandon Cooks. Brandon Cooks
the answers. No, it's not a active player that would
help me. None of the players are active. Marvin, you
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got one, Larry Jerald, He's second on the list sixteen
different quarterbacks. He's tied with Ricky proll sneaky fast, Ricky
prol bother me. This guy had a lot of promise,
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a lot of promise. Never lived up to the expectations, yes, Marvin,
Josh Gibson, Josh Gordon, No or Josh Gibson. Yeah, let
me see, never lived up to the promise guy. Hmmm.
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I think he was the number one overall pick. I
think he was a number one overall pick.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yes, Paul Roy Williams of Texas.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
No, sorry, Broy, Marvin Keishawn Johnson. No, Irving Friar, Irving
Friar was any number one overall pick?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Patriots Dolphins? Uh I remembering with the Patriots Irving Friar
out of Nebraska. Abraham Okay, so he DeAndre Hopkins has
now caught a touchdown pass from fourteen different quarterbacks after
the win. All right, Satan poll question today, At least
for the first Downur, what are we starting with? You
don't need help with this one because I'm trying to
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figure out who the Chiefs are? Ooh ooho, who are
the Chiefs? Are they like really an eight and o
team or are they doing just enough to be eight
and oh, which obviously they are. Is that like the
hallmark of a champion team or is it eventually going
to catch up to them? Well, they're not like the
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Patriots of seven because that team was explosive. They were
blowing people out. This is this is just a really
good team, now find a way kind of team. Yes,
But what's weird is just like I brought this up
yesterday with Tony Gonzalez, if the Chiefs played the Lions
today in the Super Bowl, it'd be a Pickham game.
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According to Vegas, I think most people would probably lean
towards the Lions because the Lions are scoring a lot
of points. But the Chiefs, you know, you get to
this point and you got to know who you are.
Like the Lions, you're an offensive minded team, but you'd
like to get a little more defense as well. Didn't
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they make a deal? Did you guys?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
See?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
If the Lions made a deal.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
We have it if you want it.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
The Lions have traded with the Cleveland Browns for pass
rusher Zadarius Smith. Okay, good player.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah yeah. When you said pass Rusher, I thought Myles Garrett. Yeah,
question Mark, Uh.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Wow the trade. Wow, Detroit to sent a five to
fifth and sixth rounder.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, that's not much. That's not bad at I don't
know that's where the NFL like, you're going to get
the analytics to say, wow, that's a lot for him.
You know, normally we're seeing a fourth round pick. If
you want to a wide receiver, fourth round pick, here
you go. And if I'm the Browns rebuild, question mark,
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because we're getting to that point where the how many
of these two and seven teams? How many two and
seven teams do we have? Like five? Six two and
seven teams?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, Pauline, Zadarius Smith is a contract dump. Is he's
got an expiring contract, so it works out for everybody.
The Lions do not have to keep him or they
could after the season, and it gets the Browns out
from having to resign him in case they are rebuilding.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, it's a good pick up, though they needed to
have somebody in there. They haven't had a pass rush
since Aiden Hutchinson went down. It's weird to see that
commercial with Aiden Hutchinson where he's at the ballet studio,
but he can't obviously do that now with his broken leg.
But you know, I saw that commercial the other day
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and I'm like, all right, eight seven seven three DP
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We'll look forward to Bill Kauer coming up next hour.
Any other pole questions there, Seaton or did we help
you sculpt that pole question? For the first hour, I
think what we're gonna say is the twenty twenty four
Chiefs are dominant or just good enough. So the record
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would say one thing, but then when you actually watch
the games, to me says another. Do you want to
do great? Very good good great v good good? Yeah?
I think they're very good. Yeah, I think they're very good,
because like, can I just say are they great or good?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Sure? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, because they do have those elements where you have
Mahomes and you have Andy Reid, like you just start
there and then you throw in Kelsey who had a
big game last night, had a fumble, but still, you know,
you have those reliables that's what And the same really
with the core with the Patriots is you had Belichick,
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you had Brady, and you had Gronk or you had Edelman.
When you need to, you have the person you can
rely on, so coach, quarterback and your go to guy.
Speaking of go to guys, Christian McCaffrey, there's hope that
he will finally play this season. If you're in a
fantasy league, like, did you keep Christan McCaffrey, because I'm
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sure he went number one in a lot of drafts
and then all of a sudden he's not playing and
then he's on the bench and who knows if he's
going to be able to finish out the season. Yes, Mark,
for a guy like McCaffrey, you keep him on your
bench just in case he comes back. Always Okay, any
other pole question thoughts there seating? Well, we did have
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one that was if you were the Lions, you would
use some future draft picks to add to their defense.
I say yes, or stick with the team they haven't
saved the picks, I don't. I feel I feel like
it's still value. Like if Alli said this twentifth and
sixth rounders, if you said twenty minutes ago. Yeah, I
would have said I'm going for it. You're if I'm
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the Lions, I'm all in this year, absolutely all in.
All you have to do you have to win one, correct,
that's it. Yes, it's like the Cubs. You went all in.
If you're a Cub fan, you can't be complaining about
anything after the fact. Take the next fifty years Old'll
have to take at least ten years off and say, hey,
whatever you do. By the way, I know you are
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probably going to be at least two more years.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Well.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
If there's one thing we know about Chicago, it's they
could get a lot of mileage out of one ring.
No city. It's more out of a championship than Chicago.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
With a hybrid vehicle of rings, we get a lot
of mileag MPGs.
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Speaker 3 (15:32):
Actually, people don't believe it's me half the time. So
it's like, so, but I have to ask you a question, though,
if I send you a bobblehead? Do I make your
artifacts that you have around you?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Sure? Why I make the what? I so? I wasn't
just sure because you have almost like you have this categorized.
It looks like a categorized mess. Yes, it's kind of
like last why my desk used to be as well,
like when I was coaching.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, but how can you have a messy desk if
you're the coach, You're supposed to be buttoned up.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
It looked messy, but it's actually categorized. I knew exactly
that there was some things that were prioritize more than
anything else, but I had to continue to look at
it because that always reminded me that there were still
things to do.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, I know where everything is now. Nobody else knows
where everything is, but I do.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, you would know if something was out of Yes.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yes, they mess with me. Sometimes they'll move things just
to see if I'm aware, and I'm aware. I'm aware.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
So I'm gonna send you a bibblehead. And the first
thing I want to do is find out somewhere in
that categorized mess that you have. I know that I've
been placed there, and there's a reason I was placed
where I was placed.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
All right, So I will do it, but you might
have to find it like I I and I.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Will recognize it only when I recognize it. After I
come on, I will say, and I will then ask you,
of course of answering the question that you may have wish,
we will do it shortly. I will then ask you
the reason why I was placed there.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Okay, but you don't get mistaken for anybody like any
famous famous person actor, no.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I you know. It's funny though, The funny because I
when I came to New York and I walked down
the street and I would walk in and someone they
would stop me and they'd say, hey, well aren't you
and they would just I know, I know you do
I know? I go, yeah, I go. I said, uh football,
I go, no, no, no, oh, you're that Time Warner
cable guy. I go. So I was a Time Warner
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cable guy for a couple of years. I go football.
I go no, no, no, no, football, you're that time Warner
Cable guy guy. Well, yeah I am, I was. But
the reason I'm the time warned cable guy because of football. Okay,
So so I was mistaken for that Time Warner Cable guy.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I love that. Uh where what's your philosophy on the
Buccaneers at the end of the game going for to
on the road?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
No, you know what, I go back And so funny
because I thought about this last night and think about
again this morning. As Marty Schottenheimer, who was my you know, mentor,
he always said to me when he comes down to
make a decision, don't think of place, think of players.
And so I'm okay with when what took place? I mean,
I think from Todd's standpoint of watching it down through
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the years, and you talk about Gopher two, but you
know the two point play. Keep in mind the success
rate this year is like thirty one percent, So it
doesn't really make sense to do that. Now. I understand.
Patrick mahomes be on the other side, would make you
think do you want to give him a chance in
overtime if you don't get the coin flip? And so
those things come up, and we saw Mahomes do it
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against the forty nine ers in Super Bowl. We saw
them again do it last night. But at the same time,
you also have to believe in your own football team
and give them a chance again. Let the players dictate it,
not in your decisions.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
So if you had your wide receivers, you know who
you're missing, Evans and Godwin, would you have been more
likely to then go for the two point conversion?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
No, because I think he believed in his defense as well.
I think I think number one, let's let this thing
get in overtime and again, if I had those receivers,
now we're coming down to a coin flip, and I
think the biggest thing I would just say, you know,
I think you want to revisit again. I know that
you let him score a touchdown. Just that having both
teams have a chance to touch the ball in overtime
to me, and I know that what we have is fair.
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You got to play defense too, But man, if you
have two offensive football teams that are built and when
you want to see them both touch the ball, even
if the first one is a touchdown. So that's the
only thing I've just saying about.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
That I can't I can't let Mahomes have the ball.
I got a chance. I got to kill them. I do,
I know, I hear you. I just you're at the two.
You may not get back down there, and I know
that he's going to get back down there. I got
to kill him, can't, can't do it. But doesn't it
feel I don't know if this feels the same way
with you, Bill. They feel almost under dogish, like everybody's
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caught up in the Lions. They're scoring points like the Chiefs.
It's like, man, they're barely getting by. They don't know,
and they're undefeated.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Comfortable in close games. I mean, I think you look
at them and think about the people they're doing this
with Travis Kelcey, we all said he was getting too old,
he's too slow, he's too worried about going into Taylor
Switts concerts. He had ten catches last night. Cream Hunt
was on the street. Nobody want him as a running
back with Cleveland last year. You think they wouldn't want
him back in cream He's been there before DeAndre Hopkins.
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Why do they give up for him like a fifth
or sixth round pick. These guys were only integral parts
of that. They come in and they just keep plugging
it in. And they're going to get some guys back,
but Checko's going to come back at some point in
this season. And he does a masterful job. Stea speG Nola,
I think is one of the best defensive coordinators in
the league. But they have a quarterback that is very
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comfortable in close games, very comfortable in the fourth quarter,
and you know, and they just continue to do it.
Weekend we got and they're playing. They're playing on the edge.
But because they're playing on the edge, they keep that
edginess weekend and week out. They don't get comfortable.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Are talking to Bill Cower, the Hall of Famer, Sergeant Slaughter,
the rest.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Of Ah, yeah, yeah, you're right. I did get that.
I used to, Yeah you're right, Sergeant Slaughter.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I knew it was gonna come to me.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I knew, right, Yes, yes, yes, they actually I think
Sergeant Slaughter, I mean, I think God bless him, and
I said Sergeant Slaughter. But I think they actually said,
aren't you Bill Cowers? So I think we both bought it.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
So uh. I think it was Dominic Foxworth on ESPN
who said it felt like the Bills were easing up
on Tua. And I don't know if you can, you know,
and Dominic's former defensive back. I don't know if you
can go into a game thinking about how you're going
to hit to a tongue of via looad, does that
seem viable real?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I mean no, I mean, but I think it's there.
I mean, I think we all have a great respect
for Tua with what he's done. I think when the
heat of battle comes and you and you get down
to it, I think early on they that be the case.
But the longer he plays, the more it's gonna be
like just like any other football game. But I could
see that being in the back of your mind, and
particularly when he starts running forward, you know he's gonna
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go down. He's not trying to run over you. So
I think at that point it's almost out of the
respect of the game. I think that's true with the
way we're coaching the game with some of these guys,
the quarterbacks, and that they can give themselves up. And
I think that you're seeing it, not just with two,
with a lot of quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
If the Chiefs play the Lions today for the Super Bowl,
who would you pick?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I think the Detroit Lions right now, I think they're
you know I think then, I mean, listen, I think
the Chiefs of Baltimore. I don't dismiss the Baltimore Ravens,
and I look at them and the Lions to me
as the top two teams. I know the Chiefs are
right there, and the record says they are. But I
think if those three teams are in a league by themselves,
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to be honest with you, I think Buffalo is the
fourth team in that. But Detroit Lions right now, if
they played the Kansas City Chiefs, I just like the
Troy Lions are. They're They're a very physical football team.
I think they got the best offensive line of football.
I think they got a coach who exemplifies what they're
all about. I think Aaron Glenn has done a masterful job.
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And just guys of Darius Smith in the trade. I
think this morning or last yesterday, whatever, I just saw that.
So they're they're going to get better and better. And
they're a team that just wears you down and they
impose themselves on you. But again, I don't know, this
is it's the fourth quarter and you've got uh Patrick
Mahomes got the ball. I'll take the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
We you know, he's morphed into the Tom Brady category.
There's time on the clock, Tom has the ball. You know,
the question is how is he going to score a
touchdown or the game, game winning field goal?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And I think the thing that he does, I mean
he does it with his legs. He does like with
the extending of plays. It's to play after the plays.
As I know Bill Belichick talked about that before, talking
about defending against him, and because there's the initial play,
but then if he doesn't like it, he extends it.
And he has that that sixth sense with Kelsey and
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everybody else, has a sense of what he to get
to open spaces and he can see. His vision to
the field is so unique to any other quarterback. His poise,
his calmness, knowing when to take off and running, also
when to throw it. And again you'll see him take
off more in the fourth quarter of games, at the
games on the line as opposed to the first three quarters.
So his decision making feel for the game second to none.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Who is the quarterback that you'd have nightmares or you'd
wake up middle of the night if you were going
to face.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
The honest with you was Peyton Manning. I mean because
because I just it's like we had to work all
week on making sure that we did not show him
the defense, so we had disguise was everything because if
he saw the defense before ten we used to the
ten second role. We figured at ten seconds, at that
point you can probably get into it, maybe run nine
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or eight seconds. He didn't have time to change your play.
But if they snapped the ball early, we were running
the spots that we had to get to because we
were in a disguise no the entire time. So I mean,
I think it led because we played them so many times.
It led to Troy Palmal who feeling like he could
do that against anybody. I said, no, no, no, justin
Peyton Manning, I said, we don't have to keep doing
this to everybody else. So disguise is a big thing.
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But Dan, I always as a defensive minded coach, I
wanted to show you one thing and do another, and
I wanted to create some indecision with you on the
offensive side of the ball where all of a sudden,
it's not what I thought it was going to be.
Because the pre snap information that you give to a quarterback,
particularly a good quarterback, they know where the weakness. Every
defense has a weakness, and if you give a good
quarterback that information before the ball snap, they'll go there
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every time. So he was a guy to me that, like,
I will tell you. I mean, you can't show them anything.
So you're talking about you just prepared differently as Peyton
Man and everybody else.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
But he knows that you're doing this. He knows you're disguising.
He knows what you're showing me is not what you're
going to run.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Which is why sometimes we didn't. We did not. We
showed him exactly, so I said, I said, so you
almost had to play that. You played that minded, like, no,
you can't always disguise. Sometimes it was like play it.
We used to call play it, which means show it,
because everything else we did we had brained disguise, disguise,
play it, just play, show it and play it.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
That has to be frustrating here. You are defensive minded guy.
You're over there on the sidelines, you call something or
something's being called, and then you watch Peyton basically tell
you I know what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, I mean, and I said, okay, we showed it
too quick. We did stay you know, It's almost like
I said, even if you're late getting there, just be
I'd rather you be late. I'm like, if let him like, okay,
this give it up. I mean, if we had guys
running every ball was snap pay had things going, people
going to play. We had people going things. It looked
like there's a bunch of pieces moving like in that
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and it was like a movie. It was like a
moving piece of art forty before your eyes.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I don't know if you were the coach. I think
the Steelers had a defensive back or got a defensive back,
and he knew one of Peyton's signals. He had played
with Peyton, and then he was telling everybody, hey, when
he done does this, it means this. And then he
Peyton called that. And then Peyton did something different and
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scored a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Right, I mean, and he'll do He used to call omaha, omaha,
and I used to think this he's not he's When
he started calling a lot of different signals, it was
it was like whenever he's pointing to people and people
start pointing like okay, protect him, protect him, and going.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
They're going to run the football.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
They're not protecting anybody. They're there. I go when he
starts pointing to people like, oh, yeah, this guy comes
to that kind of I go, it's not even going
to be a pass that like does the other he
played the game on the other side too. There's a
lot of like little, you know, little parts of the game,
and the arts of the craft is to kind of
try to mislead people with what you're doing prior to
the step.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
The Steelers, how are they looking?
Speaker 3 (28:10):
They look good. I'll tell you this is a big game.
I think when you think about them going against the
Washington Commanders. Both these teams, ironically, Washington with Philadelphia right
on their heels, Pittsburgh Baltimore right there, and they both
play the team that they're they're holding off next week.
So it's a very defining game. I think when you
look at who Washington has beaten, you look at Pittsburgh
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has beaten. It'll be interesting to see them go against
each other. Jade and Daniels obviously, I think running away
with Rookie of the Year. I think Russell Wilson phone
into this offense right now and feel uncomfortable with each week.
We'll see what happens today. I know they're looking to
try to get another receiver to go with George Pickens,
but and the defense of the Pittsburgh Steelers has been solid.
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TJ One, I think is you know, his numbers may
not be up there, but he has won more games
in the fourth quarter with big plays. I think he's
still the defensive player of the year. When it's all
gonna be all said and done, they're sawed in every face.
I mean, they got the kickers, I think, the best
kicker in the game. But this will be a very
defining game, probably the toughest team they faced all year.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, I'm wondering having TJ is such a weapon, how
do you use him differently at the end of a game.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I think at the end of the game, you let
him get back to where he's comfortable. And I think
that's the biggest thing with him. I think he's one
of those guys you say, Okay, well they're gonna we're
put two people over there, let's drop him in the
coverage that we can get more people off the other side.
But you know what, what does he do best. He's
when you give him the freedom, have a feel for
the game and let him be able to do what
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he has to do. You know, he's he was like
Kevin and I never had the opportunity. But it's like Trump,
Troy pol Wollo, Like, you don't want to harness a
guy like that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
You want to say Kevin Green. That was the other
guy was Kevin Green.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
No, and Greg Lloyd was that type of guy. Greg
Lloyd was a guy you moved around. You wanted to
get him to be where he was able to rush
the quarterback. That's what he did best. And the ideally
you like to get him in a one on one situation.
And that was like, that was the thing we try
to do is move him around to get him a
one to one situation. You see TJ sometimes go to
the left side or to the right side, but he
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is a he's a left defensive end, and if he
uses up to guys, then you want to be able
to have the confidentary guy on the other side. They
got that high Smith right now. He's back playing. So
I just think of a guy like TJ, don't try
to do too much, let him be himself, let him
get comfortable and and and get him the freedom to
really to make plays, and don't try to harness him.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
More likely to have another Lawrence Taylor or another Reggie White.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Well, Lawrence Taylor, I mean TJ is like a Lawrence Taylor.
I mean Lawrence Taylor. I had Derek Thomas in Kansas
City and Derrek Thomas was one of those types of guys.
And Reggie White though, to me, to be quite honest
with you, I think he's the greatest defensive player they
ever played the game. And I it's Reggie White. You
can line him up outside, you can line him up
over the centate, and they did that a lot. And
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Reggie White was one of those guys that you just
put him on the straightest path to the quarterback, which
is they put him inside because you're gonna run over
anybody that's in front of him. He'll get there quicker
than the guy from the outside. But I think Reggie
White to me is still like, to me, the greatest
defensive player's ever played a game.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, yeah, I'm right there with you. It's just people
tell stories. I got to see Lawrence Taylor and Reggie
White play in person. Yeah, I've never seen somebody come
off the edge like Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Like no, he And you know, I used to sit
there and think Derrek Thomas and I and it's funny
Dann I said, I said, Derek, if you could play
the run like Lawrence Taylor plays running like you're both
are great pass rushers, but Lawis played the run Lawres was.
He would he could go across the tight end his face,
he'd go into that backfield. He could take out two
blockers and still make the tackle. He played the run
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as passionately as he rushed the quarterback. And so he
was that type of guy. That again another guy. If
he was supposed to drop, he would rush, And sometimes
with Derek I would. I would call defense and I say, Derek,
you were supposed to drop? He goes, Coach, why would
I drop? I can get to the quarterback before you
can get to go. But what if he throws in
the flat and he goes, I'll get there before you
get this chance to throw it to the flat? I go, Okay. Again,
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great players giving them the freedom to let them express
themselves and make sure the other guys around them understand like,
he's a special player and he's going to make all
of us better. What what do you How are we
gonna know what what he's going to do? We no
one knows what he's gonna do. And if we don't
know what he's going to do. How's the offense gonna
know what he's going to do? Just if you're ready
to cover up. But when he does something he probably
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shouldn't be doing.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Great to talk to you, coach. I'll look forward to
the bobblehead all of yes on places strategically in front
of me, and.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I'll come back next month and I'll make sure I
find out somewhere in that compartmentalized mess that you have,
like and I and I and I. I want to
know the reason behind why was placed from his place.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Absolutely, I'm on it. Okay, thank you, coach.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
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co host contributor to Football Night in America. Trade deadline Day.
What do you think of the Lions strategy of what
they did this morning?
Speaker 5 (33:37):
I'm surprised they waited so long to replace Aidan Hutchinson.
And then I got to a point where I was
surprised they even bothered to find someone else. They've been
fine without Aiden Hutchinson. This Zadarius Smith thing had been
floating around for a while.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
There were a.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Couple of other pass rushers available. Baron Brown and got
traded to the Cardinals yesterday by the Broncos. But we
expected this. I just thought it would happen sooner. The
sooner you get Smith in. The sooner he's up to speed,
the sooner he can help make a difference. But again,
the Lions look like a juggernaut now, even without Aiden Hutchinson.
It's amazing, and I think Smith will fit what they're
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trying to do. He wants a little revenge on the
Packers and Vikings teams he played for in the past.
So the Lions get a little bit richer and the
Browns do a smart thing in trading current players for
future assets.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
But are the Browns total sellers?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
They should be.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
And it's coincidental, if not ironic, and I never know
whether to use ironic properly, but the Browns are the
ones who proposed the delay and the trade deadline from
the Tuesday after Week eight to the Tuesday after Week nine.
I think they should sell off any contract they can
for any player that they don't think is going to
be part of the resurrection. After they shed the Deshaun
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Watson contract, they still owe him ninety two million. His
cap charge next year is seventy two million. If they
would cut him, it would be one hundred and seventy
two million. They need to get young, cheap players in
the form of draft picks to deal with the reality
that so much cap space is going to be devoted
to this disastrous Deshaun Watson contract. So trade Zadaria Smith
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like they did look into trading David and Joku. I've
heard that their tight end could be available, Greg Newsom,
I've heard that name bubble around. He's one of their corners.
Trade anyone who's not going to be there on the
other side of this Deshaun Watson fiasco.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Give me the trades that should happen, not necessarily will,
but should. The Saints should.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
Trade Marshawn Lattimore to whoever will give them the best offer,
and the Chiefs had been linked to him, although I'm
told the Chiefs made some calls about cornerbacks a few
weeks back. And never really heard anything in return. And
today's the day where phone calls could be made fast
and furious as the deadline approaches. The Ravens are a
team that would seemingly benefit from a Marshawn Lattimore, but
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the Saints, I think are also in a similar mindset
as the Browns. Really, any of these teams that know
they're done, and after nine weeks we've got a pretty
good idea who the teams are. They can just fold
the tents and go home and trade players who aren't
going to be there next year anyway for whatever you
can get now. So Marshawn Lattimore should be traded, and
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the Steelers should go out and find a receiver somewhere
because it's George Pickens, and then it's a steep drop down.
All due respect to Van Jefferson, Scottie Miller, Calvin Austin,
IID they need a number two to George Pickens, and
they've been linked to some guys, but the Steelers aren't
gonna mortgage the future for anyone. They sit back and
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wait for a good deal. I won't be surprised if
they steal one of these guys right before the deadline.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Today.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, just trying to figure out what the last two
weeks has done to the philosophy, you know, the mindset philosophy,
you know the Rams. Two weeks ago we're looking at
maybe Cooper Cup is gone. Now all of a sudden,
pookin Nakoua comes back. Cooper Cup is back to being
Cooper Cup. You got Matthew Stafford now got to that's
clearly in the playoff picture. Can you think of anybody
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else who might have been a seller two weeks ago
who might be a buyer? Now?
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Well, let me just say this about the Rams, Dawn,
because I think this was something that was more real
than people realized. Kupp was on the trade block and
the Rams were trying to kickstart a market for him.
I'd heard that Matthew Stafford was ready to move on too.
Now he's never going to ask for it, but I
think if a team had made an offer at the
right time, they could have had him. And I was
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banging the drum that the Vikings should go get Matthew
Stafford because Sam Donald gets you here. Matthew Stafford gets
you here. If you're the Vikings and you're series about
trying to go win a Super Bowl, but that windows
closed now because the Rams won three in a row.
The Cardinals are a team that suddenly buying. I mentioned
earlier they picked up a pass rusher. They could be
should be looking. They're in first place in the division.
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It can change so quickly, and that's why the later
the deadline the better, because the more clear it is
that you're a contender or you're not. And this year,
with it after week nine, it really does create an
environment where more teams can say, hey, we're in this
or let's just get what we can while we can
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for these guys who are going to be gone next
year anyway.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live co host NBC Football
Night in America Insider, the Cowboys are not going to
have Dak Prescott for it looks like a month going
on the IR. The Micah Parsons situation to me is interesting,
and you're so top heavy with this roster. I'm guessing
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he's not available, but should he be available? Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I wonder how.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Many players in the NFL are truly untouchable. Patrick Mahomes
is untouchable, Lamar Jackson is untouchable, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen,
there's a group of players that no amount of draft
pick compensation or veteran player compensation is ever going to.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Get a deal done.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Is there a deal that Jerry Jones wouldn't refuse for
Michael Parsons knowing that he has to pay him. The
only good thing that came out of dragging their feet
with Ceedee Lamb and Dak Prescott is Michael Parsons wasn't
banging on the door saying pay me. He's making three
million this year and I think he shouldn't come back
until he's one hundred percent from that high ankle spring
because he's carrying that injury risk. But Dan, I mean,
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if you really want him and you're willing to put
some massive offer on the table, why not give it
a shot and see if the Cowboys take it, because
it relieves them of the obligation to pay him thirty
five thirty six thirty seven million a year.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
The Raiders' situation I find fascinating for a variety of things. Mike,
I threw this out there. Let's say they get the
number one pick and you're Mark Davis and Tom Brady,
would you go after Belichick? Would you go after Dion
and draft Shador Sanders or stay status quo.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Well, they need a franchise quarterback, and I think they
miscalculated this past year the availability of one of the
first round talent at number thirteen. The last guy went
at number twelve, and they were stuck with Gardner Minshew
and Aidan O'Connell. And look at where it has them now.
So you mentioned Brady and you know he's gonna be
involved in whatever comes next. Then I've got this image
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and we'll never know whether it happened or not, of
Brady working for Fox on Sunday during the Lions Packers
game and during the breaks, working the phones on the whole.
Luke Getzi, is he gonna be fired? Who's gonna take over?
His World's collided in one three hour window, and there's
no way he didn't know what was going on. He's
going to be heavily involved in this team and who
he wants, you know, Mike Vrabel, good buddy of Tom Brady.
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Won't surprise me if Rabel ends up being the coach
of the Raiders when it's all said and done.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
So you don't see a window here of a package
deal with Dion and his son, or Dion maybe being
an archie Manning to Shador's Eli Manning.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Dion has said he definitely doesn't want to coach in
the NFL. Now, it wouldn't be the first time somebody
said something. He did the exact opposite, but he said
it last year when he got really hot at Colorado.
The opportunity to coach his son in the NFL might
be something he doesn't say no to if it would
come along, but at a minimum, And Dan, I've been
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waiting for this, and it's the NFL's equivalent of Haley's comment.
Every twenty one years, somebody makes a power play in
the draft. Nineteen eighty three, John Elway did it, two
thousand and four, Eli Manning did it. We're due for
Haley's comment to spring back around twenty one years is up.
And the problem is because fans in media are so
quick to wag a finger at any player who dares
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to push back against the honor and a privilege of
being drafted. Go play for a dysfunctional team and have
your career ruined before it even gets started by that team,
no team in particular the Jets. That needs to happen
somebody needs to say I'm not going to play for
the Panthers. I'm not going to play for the Jets.
I'll sit out for you. I got nil money, I
don't need your money. I'll sit out for a year
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and re end of the draft. But you need someone
to run interference for you. Eli had Archie and Chador
has Dion.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
You also look at these openings. Now you know the
Jets will be open, the Saints are open, maybe the
Bears is. I'm just curious of all of these potential
openings Jacksonville, Like, what's going to be the most attractive
job out there?
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Well, I mean you could argue the Bears because of
Caleb Williams if you have somebody who's a big believer
in Caleb Williams as a franchise quarterback and get an
offensive coach. The problem with having a defensive coach and
a young franchise quarterback is if things go well, the
offensive coordinator gets hired to be a head coach elsewhere
and then you got to find another one, and it's lather, rinse, repeat.
I want an offensive coach joined at the hip with
Caleb Williams. So I think that's attractive. If you're a
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young offensive mind who sees what you can develop with
Caleb Williams over the next fifteen years. It all depends
on what you think about Caleb Williams. But like Ben Johnson,
wouldn't that be something goes from the Lions to the
Bears and joins up with Caleb Williams. You mentioned Belichick earlier.
He's gonna be hovering over all of this. Who's going
to be interested in basically giving the keys to Belichick?
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I think Jacksonville makes a ton of sense if they
make a change there. But we're into the months Dan
where even if teams haven't fired their coaches in season,
behind the scenes, they're thinking about what they're gonna do.
They're deciding what they're gonna do. They're talking to people
through back channels. It never gets reported, it never gets mentioned.
They don't just roll out of bed the day after
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the season ends and say I think I'll fire my coach.
This is when those decisions get made.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
I just don't know if Belichick comes back now, maybe
the all time victory record is really important, or maybe
to show that I don't need Tom Brady to win
a championship. But it feels like Belichick, you got a
young girlfriend, you got all of these jobs, you're having fun.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Seems like Nick Saban certainly is less stressful.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
It all comes down to how badly you missed that
dopamine rush of winning, of cracking the code on a
defense or an offense. He's the best game day coach
in NFL history. The personnel issues are what caused the
ultimate problems in New England, and Jacksonville seems like the
perfect place where he can go take over, get the
band back together, Josh McDaniels, Joe Judge, Matt Patricia, bring
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them all back. And I mean, when you consider what
the Jaguars have been through and they had Urban Meyer
three years ago, they could do a lot worse than
Bill Belichick, and he could go down there and bring
a standard of performance that they've never seen before, if
they would get to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Great to talk to you is always Mike, Thanks for
joining us, have fun today. Thanks Nancy Abuddy, Mike Flori.
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Chiefs over the Buccaneers in overtime. They now are eight
to no. It's weird to be undefeated, to be eight
no and feel like an underdog of sorts. We'll talk
about that coming up. Bill Cower, Hall of Fame coach,
will join us. Also Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk
NBC Sports with the trade deadline, the deals that will
be done, the deals that should be done. So we'll
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talk to Florio about that. College basketball. Last night a
weird NBA game. I'm watching the Clippers and the Spurs,
and the Spurs are up by I think twenty six
after one quarter, and I go all right. Clippers ended
up winning the game, so you're up. It's hard to
be up by I think twenty six points after one
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quarter and you're the Spurs and they're playing without Greg Popovich.
But Clippers came back. I watched some of Duke against
Maine with Cooper Flagg projected to be the number one
pick overall with year's NBA draft, and then back and
forth with the football game, which was a lot more
competitive from the Buccaneers perspective because you don't have your
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two best receivers in there, and they kept it close,
close enough to go into overtime. And you could even
see the grimace on Baker Mayfield's face when they lost
the coin toss because Baker Mayfield new, well, here's the game.
Mahomes has the ball. Patrick Mahomes is six to zero
in regular season overtime games. He's the only quarterback to
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have an unblemish record in six or more overtime games.
Terry Bradshaw was five and zero all time in regular
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the way tire buying should be. The Chiefs now have
seven comeback wins this season. That's tied with the oh
let's see two thousand Raiders and nineteen eighty three Cowboys
for the most comeback wins through the first eight games
of a season all time. Now, I don't know if
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this is the scary proposition of that defense is good,
the offense is going to get better. It feels like
they've had a different starting lineup from the skill position
perspective every single month. So September was different than October,
and November looks to be different as well. You get
DeAndre Hopkins in there, like you you're starting to have
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that play play a lot like the Patriots used to have.
The Patriots year to year, it felt like they didn't
have the same starting lineup when it came to skilled
position guys. Now you would still have Gronk and their
Edelman or Wes Welker, but a lot of replaceable parts.
And I think that's what's been great about what Andy
Reid and Patrick Mahomes has done is they say to
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the defense, keep us in the game and we'll win it.
And that's what you see when Mahomes has the ball.
He has now become Tom Brady, give him the ball.
Game them a line, You're going to lose, plain and simple. Now,
I thought that they looked better, more aggressive. Kelsey looked good.
You got the Hopkins aspect here. Kareem Hunt. Anybody could
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have had him. He had a good game as well.
The plug and play, and that goes back to the
front office, that goes back to the head coach, and
certainly goes back to the quarterback. You give him a chance.
There's time on the clock. Now there's controversy at the
end of the game, or at least I thought the
Buccaneers should have gone for two, because now you can
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worry about Mahomes getting the ball back with thirty seconds
to go. I wouldn't have been concerned about that. I
would have you score a touchdown, go for two. You're
on the road. I don't want Mahomes geting the ball.
I'm gonna take my chance. And look, that division is
up for grabs, the Buccaneers and the Falcons, and you know,
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these games can be the difference between winning or not.
But this is where sometimes you get caught up in analytics,
and there are certain players where I'll say, here's your
analytics and this is what you can do with them.
I want to make sure that if I have a
chance to meet Mahomes, I'm going to take it. I'm
down at the two yard line now, I know I
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don't have my best receivers in there, and this isn't
after the fact, this was during I'd be like, I'm
going to go. I'm going to go for this because
we've seen when Mahomes gets that opportunity, he is going
to make you pay every single time. But the Buccaneers
had their chances played pretty well. Here is Todd Bowles
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on not going for two points.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Well, it's a tough way to finish the game.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Did you get any thought to going for two there?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
The touchdown there at the end, Oh, very minor.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
We want to get it to overtime.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
With the wet conditions on the field, we felt like
we had to go on overtime instead of go for two.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So we had our shots.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
You know, we lost the game.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You know, here's a sidebar. Can we have somebody with
a microphone so we can hear the reporters a little
better when they ask the questions. I mean this is
decades now. I've been to hundreds and hundreds of press conferences.
Can we make it so we could understand the reporter
and instead of you turn up the volume really loud
and then you'll get the answer. Yes, Tom, I love,
(05:43):
we all love that you've opened the door for a
pet peeve Tuesday, because there could be other pet peeves
in this room and that is a great start to
why can't we hear clearly the reporter's question? Okay, I
did open the pet peeve door, and I don't know
if this is going to be an onslaught of pet
peeves today, but I'm open. I'm open to that my
pet peeve is not to hear your pet peeves. This
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is what I'm saying. Yes, Pauline, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
If this is a pet peeve, but if you were
listening at the end of the game to Aikman, he
was really adamant that the Bucks should do whatever they
can to run the clock and not burn that time
out with thirty seconds left at the one and a
half yard lines, like, oh no, let it run a
little bit. Call timeout at twenty, call two plays and
then worst case scenario, you score and Mahomes has like
(06:28):
fourteen seconds and three timeouts instead of thirty, which he
even SAYD he goes that doesn't sound like a big deal.
That's a huge deal for Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I wouldn't even have thought about that. If Mahomes beats
me with thirty seconds to go in three timeouts, okay,
but I'm going to put the pressure on him. Not hey,
if we get a field goal. You know, Butker can
kick at sixty yards. But I would have said, we
got him, let's put an end to this. We got
to kill him off here because if we go into overtime,
(06:57):
it's not going to end well on the road. Go
for the win at home, go for the tie. That's
always been my thought process with this. But DeAndre Hopkins
caught a touchdown pass from his fourteenth different quarterback that
is tied for the fifth most in NFL history. What
player has the most touchdown passes from the most quarterbacks?
(07:21):
I'm just going to say the most different, but the
most quarterback touchdown passes. This wide receiver is the number
one wide receiver in that category.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yes, Paul, can we ask for a hint? Is the
recent almost maybe even active?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
You didn't even wait for me to say yes or
no for the hint? I know don't want to have
a hint as the most recent Brandon Cooks. Brandon Cooks
the answers. No, it's not a active player that would
help me. None of the players are active. Marvin, you
(07:58):
got one, Larry Jerald, He's second on the list sixteen
different quarterbacks. He's tied with Ricky proll sneaky fast, Ricky
prol bother me. This guy had a lot of promise,
(08:20):
a lot of promise. Never lived up to the expectations, yes, Marvin,
Josh Gibson, Josh Gordon, No or Josh Gibson. Yeah, let
me see, never lived up to the promise guy. Hmmm.
(08:42):
I think he was the number one overall pick. I
think he was a number one overall pick.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yes, Paul Roy Williams of Texas.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
No, sorry, Broy, Marvin Keishawn Johnson. No, Irving Friar, Irving
Friar was any number one overall pick?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Patriots Dolphins? Uh I remembering with the Patriots Irving Friar
out of Nebraska. Abraham Okay, so he DeAndre Hopkins has
now caught a touchdown pass from fourteen different quarterbacks after
the win. All right, Satan poll question today, At least
for the first Downur, what are we starting with? You
don't need help with this one because I'm trying to
(09:28):
figure out who the Chiefs are? Ooh ooho, who are
the Chiefs? Are they like really an eight and o
team or are they doing just enough to be eight
and oh, which obviously they are. Is that like the
hallmark of a champion team or is it eventually going
to catch up to them? Well, they're not like the
(09:50):
Patriots of seven because that team was explosive. They were
blowing people out. This is this is just a really
good team, now find a way kind of team. Yes,
But what's weird is just like I brought this up
yesterday with Tony Gonzalez, if the Chiefs played the Lions
today in the Super Bowl, it'd be a Pickham game.
(10:12):
According to Vegas, I think most people would probably lean
towards the Lions because the Lions are scoring a lot
of points. But the Chiefs, you know, you get to
this point and you got to know who you are.
Like the Lions, you're an offensive minded team, but you'd
like to get a little more defense as well. Didn't
(10:32):
they make a deal? Did you guys?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
See?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
If the Lions made a deal.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
We have it if you want it.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
The Lions have traded with the Cleveland Browns for pass
rusher Zadarius Smith. Okay, good player.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah yeah. When you said pass Rusher, I thought Myles Garrett. Yeah,
question Mark, Uh.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Wow the trade. Wow, Detroit to sent a five to
fifth and sixth rounder.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, that's not much. That's not bad at I don't
know that's where the NFL like, you're going to get
the analytics to say, wow, that's a lot for him.
You know, normally we're seeing a fourth round pick. If
you want to a wide receiver, fourth round pick, here
you go. And if I'm the Browns rebuild, question mark,
(11:24):
because we're getting to that point where the how many
of these two and seven teams? How many two and
seven teams do we have? Like five? Six two and
seven teams?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, Pauline, Zadarius Smith is a contract dump. Is he's
got an expiring contract, so it works out for everybody.
The Lions do not have to keep him or they
could after the season, and it gets the Browns out
from having to resign him in case they are rebuilding.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, it's a good pick up, though they needed to
have somebody in there. They haven't had a pass rush
since Aiden Hutchinson went down. It's weird to see that
commercial with Aiden Hutchinson where he's at the ballet studio,
but he can't obviously do that now with his broken leg.
But you know, I saw that commercial the other day
(12:09):
and I'm like, all right, eight seven seven three DP
show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show.
We'll look forward to Bill Kauer coming up next hour.
Any other pole questions there, Seaton or did we help
you sculpt that pole question? For the first hour, I
think what we're gonna say is the twenty twenty four
Chiefs are dominant or just good enough. So the record
(12:33):
would say one thing, but then when you actually watch
the games, to me says another. Do you want to
do great? Very good good great v good good? Yeah?
I think they're very good. Yeah, I think they're very good,
because like, can I just say are they great or good?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Sure? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, because they do have those elements where you have
Mahomes and you have Andy Reid, like you just start
there and then you throw in Kelsey who had a
big game last night, had a fumble, but still, you know,
you have those reliables that's what And the same really
with the core with the Patriots is you had Belichick,
(13:18):
you had Brady, and you had Gronk or you had Edelman.
When you need to, you have the person you can
rely on, so coach, quarterback and your go to guy.
Speaking of go to guys, Christian McCaffrey, there's hope that
he will finally play this season. If you're in a
fantasy league, like, did you keep Christan McCaffrey, because I'm
(13:42):
sure he went number one in a lot of drafts
and then all of a sudden he's not playing and
then he's on the bench and who knows if he's
going to be able to finish out the season. Yes, Mark,
for a guy like McCaffrey, you keep him on your
bench just in case he comes back. Always Okay, any
other pole question thoughts there seating? Well, we did have
(14:03):
one that was if you were the Lions, you would
use some future draft picks to add to their defense.
I say yes, or stick with the team they haven't
saved the picks, I don't. I feel I feel like
it's still value. Like if Alli said this twentifth and
sixth rounders, if you said twenty minutes ago. Yeah, I
would have said I'm going for it. You're if I'm
(14:25):
the Lions, I'm all in this year, absolutely all in.
All you have to do you have to win one, correct,
that's it. Yes, it's like the Cubs. You went all in.
If you're a Cub fan, you can't be complaining about
anything after the fact. Take the next fifty years Old'll
have to take at least ten years off and say, hey,
whatever you do. By the way, I know you are
(14:46):
probably going to be at least two more years.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Well.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
If there's one thing we know about Chicago, it's they
could get a lot of mileage out of one ring.
No city. It's more out of a championship than Chicago.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
With a hybrid vehicle of rings, we get a lot
of mileag MPGs.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
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Speaker 2 (15:14):
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the street for myself.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Actually, people don't believe it's me half the time. So
it's like, so, but I have to ask you a question, though,
if I send you a bobblehead? Do I make your
artifacts that you have around you?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Sure? Why I make the what? I so? I wasn't
just sure because you have almost like you have this categorized.
It looks like a categorized mess. Yes, it's kind of
like last why my desk used to be as well,
like when I was coaching.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, but how can you have a messy desk if
you're the coach, You're supposed to be buttoned up.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
It looked messy, but it's actually categorized. I knew exactly
that there was some things that were prioritize more than
anything else, but I had to continue to look at
it because that always reminded me that there were still
things to do.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, I know where everything is now. Nobody else knows
where everything is, but I do.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, you would know if something was out of Yes.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yes, they mess with me. Sometimes they'll move things just
to see if I'm aware, and I'm aware. I'm aware.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
So I'm gonna send you a bibblehead. And the first
thing I want to do is find out somewhere in
that categorized mess that you have. I know that I've
been placed there, and there's a reason I was placed
where I was placed.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
All right, So I will do it, but you might
have to find it like I I and I.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Will recognize it only when I recognize it. After I
come on, I will say, and I will then ask you,
of course of answering the question that you may have wish,
we will do it shortly. I will then ask you
the reason why I was placed there.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Okay, but you don't get mistaken for anybody like any
famous famous person actor, no.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I you know. It's funny though, The funny because I
when I came to New York and I walked down
the street and I would walk in and someone they
would stop me and they'd say, hey, well aren't you
and they would just I know, I know you do
I know? I go, yeah, I go. I said, uh football,
I go, no, no, no, oh, you're that Time Warner
cable guy. I go. So I was a Time Warner
(17:24):
cable guy for a couple of years. I go football.
I go no, no, no, no, football, you're that time Warner
Cable guy guy. Well, yeah I am, I was. But
the reason I'm the time warned cable guy because of football. Okay,
So so I was mistaken for that Time Warner Cable guy.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I love that. Uh where what's your philosophy on the
Buccaneers at the end of the game going for to
on the road?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
No, you know what, I go back And so funny
because I thought about this last night and think about
again this morning. As Marty Schottenheimer, who was my you know, mentor,
he always said to me when he comes down to
make a decision, don't think of place, think of players.
And so I'm okay with when what took place? I mean,
I think from Todd's standpoint of watching it down through
(18:09):
the years, and you talk about Gopher two, but you
know the two point play. Keep in mind the success
rate this year is like thirty one percent, So it
doesn't really make sense to do that. Now. I understand.
Patrick mahomes be on the other side, would make you
think do you want to give him a chance in
overtime if you don't get the coin flip? And so
those things come up, and we saw Mahomes do it
(18:31):
against the forty nine ers in Super Bowl. We saw
them again do it last night. But at the same time,
you also have to believe in your own football team
and give them a chance again. Let the players dictate it,
not in your decisions.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
So if you had your wide receivers, you know who
you're missing, Evans and Godwin, would you have been more
likely to then go for the two point conversion?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
No, because I think he believed in his defense as well.
I think I think number one, let's let this thing
get in overtime and again, if I had those receivers,
now we're coming down to a coin flip, and I
think the biggest thing I would just say, you know,
I think you want to revisit again. I know that
you let him score a touchdown. Just that having both
teams have a chance to touch the ball in overtime
to me, and I know that what we have is fair.
(19:16):
You got to play defense too, But man, if you
have two offensive football teams that are built and when
you want to see them both touch the ball, even
if the first one is a touchdown. So that's the
only thing I've just saying about.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
That I can't I can't let Mahomes have the ball.
I got a chance. I got to kill them. I do,
I know, I hear you. I just you're at the two.
You may not get back down there, and I know
that he's going to get back down there. I got
to kill him, can't, can't do it. But doesn't it
feel I don't know if this feels the same way
with you, Bill. They feel almost under dogish, like everybody's
(19:51):
caught up in the Lions. They're scoring points like the Chiefs.
It's like, man, they're barely getting by. They don't know,
and they're undefeated.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Comfortable in close games. I mean, I think you look
at them and think about the people they're doing this
with Travis Kelcey, we all said he was getting too old,
he's too slow, he's too worried about going into Taylor
Switts concerts. He had ten catches last night. Cream Hunt
was on the street. Nobody want him as a running
back with Cleveland last year. You think they wouldn't want
him back in cream He's been there before DeAndre Hopkins.
(20:22):
Why do they give up for him like a fifth
or sixth round pick. These guys were only integral parts
of that. They come in and they just keep plugging
it in. And they're going to get some guys back,
but Checko's going to come back at some point in
this season. And he does a masterful job. Stea speG Nola,
I think is one of the best defensive coordinators in
the league. But they have a quarterback that is very
(20:42):
comfortable in close games, very comfortable in the fourth quarter,
and you know, and they just continue to do it.
Weekend we got and they're playing. They're playing on the edge.
But because they're playing on the edge, they keep that
edginess weekend and week out. They don't get comfortable.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Are talking to Bill Cower, the Hall of Famer, Sergeant Slaughter,
the rest.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Of Ah, yeah, yeah, you're right. I did get that.
I used to, Yeah you're right, Sergeant Slaughter.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I knew it was gonna come to me.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I knew, right, Yes, yes, yes, they actually I think
Sergeant Slaughter, I mean, I think God bless him, and
I said Sergeant Slaughter. But I think they actually said,
aren't you Bill Cowers? So I think we both bought it.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
So uh. I think it was Dominic Foxworth on ESPN
who said it felt like the Bills were easing up
on Tua. And I don't know if you can, you know,
and Dominic's former defensive back. I don't know if you
can go into a game thinking about how you're going
to hit to a tongue of via looad, does that
seem viable real?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I mean no, I mean, but I think it's there.
I mean, I think we all have a great respect
for Tua with what he's done. I think when the
heat of battle comes and you and you get down
to it, I think early on they that be the case.
But the longer he plays, the more it's gonna be
like just like any other football game. But I could
see that being in the back of your mind, and
particularly when he starts running forward, you know he's gonna
(22:09):
go down. He's not trying to run over you. So
I think at that point it's almost out of the
respect of the game. I think that's true with the
way we're coaching the game with some of these guys,
the quarterbacks, and that they can give themselves up. And
I think that you're seeing it, not just with two,
with a lot of quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
If the Chiefs play the Lions today for the Super Bowl,
who would you pick?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I think the Detroit Lions right now, I think they're
you know I think then, I mean, listen, I think
the Chiefs of Baltimore. I don't dismiss the Baltimore Ravens,
and I look at them and the Lions to me
as the top two teams. I know the Chiefs are
right there, and the record says they are. But I
think if those three teams are in a league by themselves,
(22:55):
to be honest with you, I think Buffalo is the
fourth team in that. But Detroit Lions right now, if
they played the Kansas City Chiefs, I just like the
Troy Lions are. They're They're a very physical football team.
I think they got the best offensive line of football.
I think they got a coach who exemplifies what they're
all about. I think Aaron Glenn has done a masterful job.
(23:15):
And just guys of Darius Smith in the trade. I
think this morning or last yesterday, whatever, I just saw that.
So they're they're going to get better and better. And
they're a team that just wears you down and they
impose themselves on you. But again, I don't know, this
is it's the fourth quarter and you've got uh Patrick
Mahomes got the ball. I'll take the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
We you know, he's morphed into the Tom Brady category.
There's time on the clock, Tom has the ball. You know,
the question is how is he going to score a
touchdown or the game, game winning field goal?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And I think the thing that he does, I mean
he does it with his legs. He does like with
the extending of plays. It's to play after the plays.
As I know Bill Belichick talked about that before, talking
about defending against him, and because there's the initial play,
but then if he doesn't like it, he extends it.
And he has that that sixth sense with Kelsey and
(24:11):
everybody else, has a sense of what he to get
to open spaces and he can see. His vision to
the field is so unique to any other quarterback. His poise,
his calmness, knowing when to take off and running, also
when to throw it. And again you'll see him take
off more in the fourth quarter of games, at the
games on the line as opposed to the first three quarters.
So his decision making feel for the game second to none.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Who is the quarterback that you'd have nightmares or you'd
wake up middle of the night if you were going
to face.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
The honest with you was Peyton Manning. I mean because
because I just it's like we had to work all
week on making sure that we did not show him
the defense, so we had disguise was everything because if
he saw the defense before ten we used to the
ten second role. We figured at ten seconds, at that
point you can probably get into it, maybe run nine
(25:05):
or eight seconds. He didn't have time to change your play.
But if they snapped the ball early, we were running
the spots that we had to get to because we
were in a disguise no the entire time. So I mean,
I think it led because we played them so many times.
It led to Troy Palmal who feeling like he could
do that against anybody. I said, no, no, no, justin
Peyton Manning, I said, we don't have to keep doing
this to everybody else. So disguise is a big thing.
(25:27):
But Dan, I always as a defensive minded coach, I
wanted to show you one thing and do another, and
I wanted to create some indecision with you on the
offensive side of the ball where all of a sudden,
it's not what I thought it was going to be.
Because the pre snap information that you give to a quarterback,
particularly a good quarterback, they know where the weakness. Every
defense has a weakness, and if you give a good
quarterback that information before the ball snap, they'll go there
(25:50):
every time. So he was a guy to me that, like,
I will tell you. I mean, you can't show them anything.
So you're talking about you just prepared differently as Peyton
Man and everybody else.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
But he knows that you're doing this. He knows you're disguising.
He knows what you're showing me is not what you're
going to run.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Which is why sometimes we didn't. We did not. We
showed him exactly, so I said, I said, so you
almost had to play that. You played that minded, like, no,
you can't always disguise. Sometimes it was like play it.
We used to call play it, which means show it,
because everything else we did we had brained disguise, disguise,
play it, just play, show it and play it.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
That has to be frustrating here. You are defensive minded guy.
You're over there on the sidelines, you call something or
something's being called, and then you watch Peyton basically tell
you I know what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, I mean, and I said, okay, we showed it
too quick. We did stay you know, It's almost like
I said, even if you're late getting there, just be
I'd rather you be late. I'm like, if let him like, okay,
this give it up. I mean, if we had guys
running every ball was snap pay had things going, people
going to play. We had people going things. It looked
like there's a bunch of pieces moving like in that
(27:04):
and it was like a movie. It was like a
moving piece of art forty before your eyes.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I don't know if you were the coach. I think
the Steelers had a defensive back or got a defensive back,
and he knew one of Peyton's signals. He had played
with Peyton, and then he was telling everybody, hey, when
he done does this, it means this. And then he
Peyton called that. And then Peyton did something different and
(27:30):
scored a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Right, I mean, and he'll do He used to call omaha, omaha,
and I used to think this he's not he's When
he started calling a lot of different signals, it was
it was like whenever he's pointing to people and people
start pointing like okay, protect him, protect him, and going.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
They're going to run the football.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
They're not protecting anybody. They're there. I go when he
starts pointing to people like, oh, yeah, this guy comes
to that kind of I go, it's not even going
to be a pass that like does the other he
played the game on the other side too. There's a
lot of like little, you know, little parts of the game,
and the arts of the craft is to kind of
try to mislead people with what you're doing prior to
the step.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
The Steelers, how are they looking?
Speaker 3 (28:10):
They look good. I'll tell you this is a big game.
I think when you think about them going against the
Washington Commanders. Both these teams, ironically, Washington with Philadelphia right
on their heels, Pittsburgh Baltimore right there, and they both
play the team that they're they're holding off next week.
So it's a very defining game. I think when you
look at who Washington has beaten, you look at Pittsburgh
(28:32):
has beaten. It'll be interesting to see them go against
each other. Jade and Daniels obviously, I think running away
with Rookie of the Year. I think Russell Wilson phone
into this offense right now and feel uncomfortable with each week.
We'll see what happens today. I know they're looking to
try to get another receiver to go with George Pickens,
but and the defense of the Pittsburgh Steelers has been solid.
(28:54):
TJ One, I think is you know, his numbers may
not be up there, but he has won more games
in the fourth quarter with big plays. I think he's
still the defensive player of the year. When it's all
gonna be all said and done, they're sawed in every face.
I mean, they got the kickers, I think, the best
kicker in the game. But this will be a very
defining game, probably the toughest team they faced all year.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, I'm wondering having TJ is such a weapon, how
do you use him differently at the end of a game.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I think at the end of the game, you let
him get back to where he's comfortable. And I think
that's the biggest thing with him. I think he's one
of those guys you say, Okay, well they're gonna we're
put two people over there, let's drop him in the
coverage that we can get more people off the other side.
But you know what, what does he do best. He's
when you give him the freedom, have a feel for
the game and let him be able to do what
(29:46):
he has to do. You know, he's he was like
Kevin and I never had the opportunity. But it's like Trump,
Troy pol Wollo, Like, you don't want to harness a
guy like that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
You want to say Kevin Green. That was the other
guy was Kevin Green.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
No, and Greg Lloyd was that type of guy. Greg
Lloyd was a guy you moved around. You wanted to
get him to be where he was able to rush
the quarterback. That's what he did best. And the ideally
you like to get him in a one on one situation.
And that was like, that was the thing we try
to do is move him around to get him a
one to one situation. You see TJ sometimes go to
the left side or to the right side, but he
(30:20):
is a he's a left defensive end, and if he
uses up to guys, then you want to be able
to have the confidentary guy on the other side. They
got that high Smith right now. He's back playing. So
I just think of a guy like TJ, don't try
to do too much, let him be himself, let him
get comfortable and and and get him the freedom to
really to make plays, and don't try to harness him.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
More likely to have another Lawrence Taylor or another Reggie White.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Well, Lawrence Taylor, I mean TJ is like a Lawrence Taylor.
I mean Lawrence Taylor. I had Derek Thomas in Kansas
City and Derrek Thomas was one of those types of guys.
And Reggie White though, to me, to be quite honest
with you, I think he's the greatest defensive player they
ever played the game. And I it's Reggie White. You
can line him up outside, you can line him up
over the centate, and they did that a lot. And
(31:10):
Reggie White was one of those guys that you just
put him on the straightest path to the quarterback, which
is they put him inside because you're gonna run over
anybody that's in front of him. He'll get there quicker
than the guy from the outside. But I think Reggie
White to me is still like, to me, the greatest
defensive player's ever played a game.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, yeah, I'm right there with you. It's just people
tell stories. I got to see Lawrence Taylor and Reggie
White play in person. Yeah, I've never seen somebody come
off the edge like Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Like no, he And you know, I used to sit
there and think Derrek Thomas and I and it's funny
Dann I said, I said, Derek, if you could play
the run like Lawrence Taylor plays running like you're both
are great pass rushers, but Lawis played the run Lawres was.
He would he could go across the tight end his face,
he'd go into that backfield. He could take out two
blockers and still make the tackle. He played the run
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as passionately as he rushed the quarterback. And so he
was that type of guy. That again another guy. If
he was supposed to drop, he would rush, And sometimes
with Derek I would. I would call defense and I say, Derek,
you were supposed to drop? He goes, Coach, why would
I drop? I can get to the quarterback before you
can get to go. But what if he throws in
the flat and he goes, I'll get there before you
get this chance to throw it to the flat? I go, Okay. Again,
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great players giving them the freedom to let them express
themselves and make sure the other guys around them understand like,
he's a special player and he's going to make all
of us better. What what do you How are we
gonna know what what he's going to do? We no
one knows what he's gonna do. And if we don't
know what he's going to do. How's the offense gonna
know what he's going to do? Just if you're ready
to cover up. But when he does something he probably
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shouldn't be doing.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Great to talk to you, coach. I'll look forward to
the bobblehead all of yes on places strategically in front
of me, and.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I'll come back next month and I'll make sure I
find out somewhere in that compartmentalized mess that you have,
like and I and I and I. I want to
know the reason behind why was placed from his place.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Absolutely, I'm on it. Okay, thank you, coach.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
That's Bill Cower.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
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Speaker 2 (33:18):
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co host contributor to Football Night in America. Trade deadline Day.
What do you think of the Lions strategy of what
they did this morning?
Speaker 5 (33:37):
I'm surprised they waited so long to replace Aidan Hutchinson.
And then I got to a point where I was
surprised they even bothered to find someone else. They've been
fine without Aiden Hutchinson. This Zadarius Smith thing had been
floating around for a while.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
There were a.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Couple of other pass rushers available. Baron Brown and got
traded to the Cardinals yesterday by the Broncos. But we
expected this. I just thought it would happen sooner. The
sooner you get Smith in. The sooner he's up to speed,
the sooner he can help make a difference. But again,
the Lions look like a juggernaut now, even without Aiden Hutchinson.
It's amazing, and I think Smith will fit what they're
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trying to do. He wants a little revenge on the
Packers and Vikings teams he played for in the past.
So the Lions get a little bit richer and the
Browns do a smart thing in trading current players for
future assets.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
But are the Browns total sellers?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
They should be.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
And it's coincidental, if not ironic, and I never know
whether to use ironic properly, but the Browns are the
ones who proposed the delay and the trade deadline from
the Tuesday after Week eight to the Tuesday after Week nine.
I think they should sell off any contract they can
for any player that they don't think is going to
be part of the resurrection. After they shed the Deshaun
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Watson contract, they still owe him ninety two million. His
cap charge next year is seventy two million. If they
would cut him, it would be one hundred and seventy
two million. They need to get young, cheap players in
the form of draft picks to deal with the reality
that so much cap space is going to be devoted
to this disastrous Deshaun Watson contract. So trade Zadaria Smith
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like they did look into trading David and Joku. I've
heard that their tight end could be available, Greg Newsom,
I've heard that name bubble around. He's one of their corners.
Trade anyone who's not going to be there on the
other side of this Deshaun Watson fiasco.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Give me the trades that should happen, not necessarily will,
but should. The Saints should.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
Trade Marshawn Lattimore to whoever will give them the best offer,
and the Chiefs had been linked to him, although I'm
told the Chiefs made some calls about cornerbacks a few
weeks back. And never really heard anything in return. And
today's the day where phone calls could be made fast
and furious as the deadline approaches. The Ravens are a
team that would seemingly benefit from a Marshawn Lattimore, but
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the Saints, I think are also in a similar mindset
as the Browns. Really, any of these teams that know
they're done, and after nine weeks we've got a pretty
good idea who the teams are. They can just fold
the tents and go home and trade players who aren't
going to be there next year anyway for whatever you
can get now. So Marshawn Lattimore should be traded, and
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the Steelers should go out and find a receiver somewhere
because it's George Pickens, and then it's a steep drop down.
All due respect to Van Jefferson, Scottie Miller, Calvin Austin,
IID they need a number two to George Pickens, and
they've been linked to some guys, but the Steelers aren't
gonna mortgage the future for anyone. They sit back and
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wait for a good deal. I won't be surprised if
they steal one of these guys right before the deadline.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Today.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, just trying to figure out what the last two
weeks has done to the philosophy, you know, the mindset philosophy,
you know the Rams. Two weeks ago we're looking at
maybe Cooper Cup is gone. Now all of a sudden,
pookin Nakoua comes back. Cooper Cup is back to being
Cooper Cup. You got Matthew Stafford now got to that's
clearly in the playoff picture. Can you think of anybody
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else who might have been a seller two weeks ago
who might be a buyer? Now?
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Well, let me just say this about the Rams, Dawn,
because I think this was something that was more real
than people realized. Kupp was on the trade block and
the Rams were trying to kickstart a market for him.
I'd heard that Matthew Stafford was ready to move on too.
Now he's never going to ask for it, but I
think if a team had made an offer at the
right time, they could have had him. And I was
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banging the drum that the Vikings should go get Matthew
Stafford because Sam Donald gets you here. Matthew Stafford gets
you here. If you're the Vikings and you're series about
trying to go win a Super Bowl, but that windows
closed now because the Rams won three in a row.
The Cardinals are a team that suddenly buying. I mentioned
earlier they picked up a pass rusher. They could be
should be looking. They're in first place in the division.
(37:50):
It can change so quickly, and that's why the later
the deadline the better, because the more clear it is
that you're a contender or you're not. And this year,
with it after week nine, it really does create an
environment where more teams can say, hey, we're in this
or let's just get what we can while we can
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for these guys who are going to be gone next
year anyway.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live co host NBC Football
Night in America Insider, the Cowboys are not going to
have Dak Prescott for it looks like a month going
on the IR. The Micah Parsons situation to me is interesting,
and you're so top heavy with this roster. I'm guessing
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he's not available, but should he be available? Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I wonder how.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Many players in the NFL are truly untouchable. Patrick Mahomes
is untouchable, Lamar Jackson is untouchable, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen,
there's a group of players that no amount of draft
pick compensation or veteran player compensation is ever going to.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Get a deal done.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Is there a deal that Jerry Jones wouldn't refuse for
Michael Parsons knowing that he has to pay him. The
only good thing that came out of dragging their feet
with Ceedee Lamb and Dak Prescott is Michael Parsons wasn't
banging on the door saying pay me. He's making three
million this year and I think he shouldn't come back
until he's one hundred percent from that high ankle spring
because he's carrying that injury risk. But Dan, I mean,
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if you really want him and you're willing to put
some massive offer on the table, why not give it
a shot and see if the Cowboys take it, because
it relieves them of the obligation to pay him thirty
five thirty six thirty seven million a year.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
The Raiders' situation I find fascinating for a variety of things. Mike,
I threw this out there. Let's say they get the
number one pick and you're Mark Davis and Tom Brady,
would you go after Belichick? Would you go after Dion
and draft Shador Sanders or stay status quo.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Well, they need a franchise quarterback, and I think they
miscalculated this past year the availability of one of the
first round talent at number thirteen. The last guy went
at number twelve, and they were stuck with Gardner Minshew
and Aidan O'Connell. And look at where it has them now.
So you mentioned Brady and you know he's gonna be
involved in whatever comes next. Then I've got this image
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and we'll never know whether it happened or not, of
Brady working for Fox on Sunday during the Lions Packers
game and during the breaks, working the phones on the whole.
Luke Getzi, is he gonna be fired? Who's gonna take over?
His World's collided in one three hour window, and there's
no way he didn't know what was going on. He's
going to be heavily involved in this team and who
he wants, you know, Mike Vrabel, good buddy of Tom Brady.
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Won't surprise me if Rabel ends up being the coach
of the Raiders when it's all said and done.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
So you don't see a window here of a package
deal with Dion and his son, or Dion maybe being
an archie Manning to Shador's Eli Manning.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Dion has said he definitely doesn't want to coach in
the NFL. Now, it wouldn't be the first time somebody
said something. He did the exact opposite, but he said
it last year when he got really hot at Colorado.
The opportunity to coach his son in the NFL might
be something he doesn't say no to if it would
come along, but at a minimum, And Dan, I've been
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waiting for this, and it's the NFL's equivalent of Haley's comment.
Every twenty one years, somebody makes a power play in
the draft. Nineteen eighty three, John Elway did it, two
thousand and four, Eli Manning did it. We're due for
Haley's comment to spring back around twenty one years is up.
And the problem is because fans in media are so
quick to wag a finger at any player who dares
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to push back against the honor and a privilege of
being drafted. Go play for a dysfunctional team and have
your career ruined before it even gets started by that team,
no team in particular the Jets. That needs to happen
somebody needs to say I'm not going to play for
the Panthers. I'm not going to play for the Jets.
I'll sit out for you. I got nil money, I
don't need your money. I'll sit out for a year
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and re end of the draft. But you need someone
to run interference for you. Eli had Archie and Chador
has Dion.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
You also look at these openings. Now you know the
Jets will be open, the Saints are open, maybe the
Bears is. I'm just curious of all of these potential
openings Jacksonville, Like, what's going to be the most attractive
job out there?
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Well, I mean you could argue the Bears because of
Caleb Williams if you have somebody who's a big believer
in Caleb Williams as a franchise quarterback and get an
offensive coach. The problem with having a defensive coach and
a young franchise quarterback is if things go well, the
offensive coordinator gets hired to be a head coach elsewhere
and then you got to find another one, and it's lather, rinse, repeat.
I want an offensive coach joined at the hip with
Caleb Williams. So I think that's attractive. If you're a
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young offensive mind who sees what you can develop with
Caleb Williams over the next fifteen years. It all depends
on what you think about Caleb Williams. But like Ben Johnson,
wouldn't that be something goes from the Lions to the
Bears and joins up with Caleb Williams. You mentioned Belichick earlier.
He's gonna be hovering over all of this. Who's going
to be interested in basically giving the keys to Belichick?
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I think Jacksonville makes a ton of sense if they
make a change there. But we're into the months Dan
where even if teams haven't fired their coaches in season,
behind the scenes, they're thinking about what they're gonna do.
They're deciding what they're gonna do. They're talking to people
through back channels. It never gets reported, it never gets mentioned.
They don't just roll out of bed the day after
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the season ends and say I think I'll fire my coach.
This is when those decisions get made.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
I just don't know if Belichick comes back now, maybe
the all time victory record is really important, or maybe
to show that I don't need Tom Brady to win
a championship. But it feels like Belichick, you got a
young girlfriend, you got all of these jobs, you're having fun.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Seems like Nick Saban certainly is less stressful.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
It all comes down to how badly you missed that
dopamine rush of winning, of cracking the code on a
defense or an offense. He's the best game day coach
in NFL history. The personnel issues are what caused the
ultimate problems in New England, and Jacksonville seems like the
perfect place where he can go take over, get the
band back together, Josh McDaniels, Joe Judge, Matt Patricia, bring
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them all back. And I mean, when you consider what
the Jaguars have been through and they had Urban Meyer
three years ago, they could do a lot worse than
Bill Belichick, and he could go down there and bring
a standard of performance that they've never seen before, if
they would get to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Great to talk to you is always Mike, Thanks for
joining us, have fun today. Thanks Nancy Abuddy, Mike Flori.
I'll get your copy of Son of Mine, the second
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