November 6, 2024 • 42 mins
Dan recaps all the action from NFL trade deadline and wonders which teams helped their case as Super Bowl contenders? Tom Pelissero discusses moves made by the Ravens and Commanders. And RGIII explains what the Cowboys failed to do.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Every day is the Super Bowl. How's morale? Let's go
our one This Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Needs Dan
Patrick Show. Trade deadline came and went. Had a little
bit of action there. Tom Pelsero, NFL network insider, will
join us coming up a little bit. Also, Robert Griffin Junior,
the third former Heisman winner. He will join us a
(00:26):
little bit later on as well. NBA suspends Joellenbiid for
three games for the incident with the reporter, So you're
going to have him play even less basketball. I would
make Joe Ellenbiid play three games. Maybe we start there.
The first college football rankings released, we'll talk about that
as well. We have the NFL octob VP.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Septem VP went so well.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, the NFL octob VP. That'll be coming up little
bit later on as well. We play in or out.
We got a lot of things to get to today.
Shoheyo Tani has shoulder surgery, so it wasn't just it
was popped out of place. He's got labram surgery, and
(01:15):
from first hand knowledge of that, that's going to be
a little more recovery time than if he dislocated his
shoulder but torn labram non pitching shoulder, and I'm sure
he'll be ready for spring training, all right. The Commanders
got a cornerback out from the Saints, Marcus Lattimore. And
(01:36):
if I would have said at the start of the year, hey,
by the way, the Commanders are buying at the trade deadline,
they're going all in, and then you'd go, well, they
got a rookie quarterback dan Quinn, first year coach there,
although he's coached before, and you're in a pretty tough division.
Feels like you're going to have the Eagles going to
be really good. Maybe the Cowboys are good. The Giants
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could they be good? Probably not. But the Saints gave
up Marcus Lattimore. Lattimore was the pick after Patrick Mahomes,
so Drew Brees was gonna take or no, Sean Payton
was going to take Patrick Mahomes And that's when the
Chiefs went up and got him. And then he said, look,
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if he was there, we were taking him. Instead, they
took Marcus Lattimore, who is I think a three time
All Pro. I mean, he's a really good defensive back.
The Steelers get Mike Williams, I found it interesting. You know,
we do give credit to Aaron Rodgers that he's running
the Jets. He was on the Pat McAfee show when
he found out his former teammate was now being traded.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Mike's good guy. He'll be he'll be good in that
locker room. Obviously, I had a lot of great veteran leadership.
He's he said, a nice career, and sometimes change the
scenery is is great for great for certain guys. I
mean it was great for me. It's fun kind of
get Rian Reanthus and stuff. And you know, we kind
of knew with DeVante coming in that there'd be less
targets for everybody because you know, Geez leading the league targets.
(03:07):
Eaither to get his targets and tays dynamic players need
his targets. So if this gives Mike more opportunities, that's
awesome and h and we wish Mike.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Well, okay, wow, surely nice. He didn't call him out
when he ran the wrong pass route and he threw
an interception. But hey, you love Mike. And Mike's now
going to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Even the Steelers picking up somebody,
I know they did need another wide receiver. I don't
know what Mike Williams has left, but better than nothing,
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I guess. You know. He's got a lot of wide
receivers and tight ends. The Baltimore Ravens. The Ravens have
probably more weapons than anybody in football right now, and
that includes the Lions. So when you talk about two
great offenses, it feels like the Ravens said, Okay, our
defense isn't that good, but our offense is going to
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be great. And I want to talk to Tom pel
Tom pelisro the NFL Network and ask him our teams
gearing up with whatever moves they made to face the
Kansas City Chiefs, because that's used to a lot of
teams will do that. Hey, we're going to improve our
team because we have to beat that team. And I
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find that what the Commanders did, you get a really
good defensive back. But I looked at what the Ravens
were doing bringing in another wide receiver. Gonna You're going
to say, we might not be able to stop the
Kansas City Chiefs, but we don't believe they can stop
us either. Because you don't want to get into that
one dimensional game that happened last year in the playoffs,
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and you want to be able to have your game plan.
And it feels like the Ravens are all in on
offense this year. And normally you think of the Ravens,
you do think of defensive players. But they made some
moves there. Now, some other teams made moves, but they
made moves prior to the trade deadline. So we get
caught up in what happened yesterday. Other teams made moves
(05:05):
a week ago. But now we move on. This is it,
This is who your team is the rest of the season.
So we'll talk to Tom coming up. All right, Seeton
Pole question for hour one is going to be what
Pole question for hour one?
Speaker 5 (05:20):
What kind of mood did you wake up in today?
Speaker 6 (05:23):
Couldn't be better, couldn't be worse?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Back?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Football was great?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, it's a trade deadline question.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah the trade?
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Did your team do what you wanted them to do
for the trade deadline?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Got another question? I can't even have fun. By the way,
Todd Fritzy was sending notes last night during the election
coverage as if he was Kevin Harlan, And if Kevin
Harlan was working the election last night, he would have
(05:57):
sounded like this.
Speaker 7 (05:58):
The Vice President three with Vermont, but the former president
has gone on an eighteenth three electoral vote run. The
Harris campaign holds play to regroup and talk things over.
We step aside for stations to identify themselves. You're listening
to the Race to the White House exclusively on Westwood One.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
All right, thank you out have nice So Todd to credits.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You want to talk about it.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Take a thirty and figure it out.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Todd is doing this and I'm I'm watching mac football.
I just it got to the point I'm exhausted with
all of the election coverage, commercials uh, you know, sides, people,
pinions all that. I'm like, okay, whatever happens happens. I'm
gonna watch some maced football. And then Todd starts doing
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play by play.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
He kicked a field goal with Vermont, and all of
a sudden, it's eighteen three.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I'm like, what's going on here?
Speaker 7 (06:52):
Uh, it's eighteen to three an eighteen oh run team
Kamala is gonna talk about.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It than you.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
Thistoral College loan him out, and then I was like,
all right, you made me laugh there.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I thought we'd.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
Been trying to tell you about these swing states.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I thought we'd have to wait till Thursday to sort
all this out. It was like, uh, nope, midnight ball game.
Oh and that's it.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It's like baseball. It's a lot quicker these days.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
That's it. Yeah, you know, pitch count.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Uh what if the election was best out of three
and like this was the first game, and then what
would the results be for the next in two days
from now you have another one and then if there's
a need for a third election, then you go for that.
So opening round to the baseball playoff. Yeah, it's a
best of three. It's spread out over a week if necessary.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
All right, what's the other? What's the other?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well, since I brought up this first pole question, Paul
has sent me four.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Oh okay, Jackie, I.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Was just gonna steer away from that one. I'm going
to jump ahead to a segment, but I want to
get this on the record now.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I know we're doing.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Octob VP Okay later, but I'm going to put up
there your mid season MVP is dot dot dot.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I'll throw out a couple.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Of options for you.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Is that okay? Or no?
Speaker 5 (08:17):
You want me to just save the whole thing?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Why don't we save NFL October VP.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
I'm gonna do.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
This is your mid season MVP. That's a combination of
September and October.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Everybody gets the trophy.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Yeah, okay, yeah, all right, mid season MVPs. Yes, that's
the most Valuable Player. All right, thank you to clarifying,
just in case anyone knows wondering or person. Yeah, how
about Josh Allen of the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, fella, right there.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, he's doing some nice things, doing some nice things.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
How about Lamar Jackson, He's doing some nice thing, Baltimore
Ravens quarterback. I heard some blowbacks and pushback out Lamar
winning another MVP. Well did they say this when Aaron
Rodgers won his MVPs. Hey, he doesn't do anything in
the playoffs, Like we can't move the goalpost on Lamar
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Jackson or Peyton Manning. When he won his MVPs, he
wasn't winning Super Bowls like Rogers has won. Peyton has
really won. He won the other one in Denver.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But we're talking about when you win an MVP, how
many times do we go, well, what did he do
in the postseason? And it feels like we're trying to
do that with Lamar and I don't think any I
don't remember people doing that to Aaron Rodgers, Like, yeah,
they usually don't do well in the playoffs. I'm not
voting for him next time. He's got four MVPs, he's
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got one super Bowl. Now do I want to see
Lamar cash in and do well in the playoffs? I do?
Speaker 6 (09:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I don't like when you know, we go, oh, you know,
he was really good. But you want to see great
players be great, get the opportunity to be on a
big stage. But I don't think we held that against Peyton.
I don't think we held that against Aaron Rodgers. Yes, Marv, do.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
You think Derrick Henry having the season Eddie's having is
going to hurt Lamar's chances this season?
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Okay, yeah, He's got incredible number.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Both have incredible numbers. I think Josh Allen is the MVP,
and Jared Goff I'd put him in there as well.
I just it feels like people are like hesitant. It's
it's almost like when you're going to vote for a
Heisman candidate, but you're like, I don't know. Jared Goff
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feels like I don't know, but you look at the numbers.
This six game stretch is the greatest stretch completion wise
in NFL history. But if I say, hey, how about
that percentage with Jared Goff.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So gone two touchdowns seven percent, it's.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
There's nothing there where Lamar Jackson do something, or Josh
Allen will do something, Mahomes will do something. With Jared Goff,
you're like, oh, man, I don't think they've dropped a pass. Wow,
they're scoring forty two points. But he's not going to
get the credit there. But the whole MVP thing is tricky,
well documented on this show with how I've voted in
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different sports, different categories here, But I don't want to
hear this argument. Lamar Jackson doesn't do anything in the postseason.
Aaron Rodgers didn't either. Peyton had his moments, but the
Patriots had his number. You win the MVP by what
you do during the regular season. I have no problem
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with that. It gets back to the NBA. They didn't
want to give it to Joker and give him another
one because of the category that it would put him in,
Like are you going to put him in there with
Larry Bird and Bill Russell? And yes, yes, he's been
the best player in basketball, not well, I didn't do
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anything in the postseason, Joe ellen BEIID hasn't and he
got MVP. We waited for Giannis to win a title.
Now you can validate giving the MVP. It's tricky like that.
It shouldn't be like that, but it is for a
lot of voters.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yes, Paul, I disagree a little bit on the Rogers
angle because Rogers won the Super Bowl in twenty ten,
and that following season he won his first MVP. After that,
not a lot of playoff victories, but he didn't get
a league MVP till he won Super Bowl. So they
did wait for him, and then after that his MVPs.
If you look at his three that he got afterwards,
and you're right, he didn't do much in the playoffs
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after the first Super Bowl. His numbers were silly. They
were like almost impossible to ignore. Like that Joe Burrow
year at LSU, he had the MVP thirty eight touchdowns,
five picks in a season. Another one he had forty
eight touchdowns and five picks. That might be the single
greatest season of all time for a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
But if I told you he's not going to do
anything in the postseason, but.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
That's where Lamar is kind of You're right, but is.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That would that have affected somebody's vote? And I think
it would have, yeah, because hey, look I can't deny
what Rogers did. He was spectacular. Now you do get
ex teammates will say, you know, he was trying to
boost his stats so he didn't have intercell Like, he
wasn't throwing those passes that were fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I wish my Bears quarterbacks would do that. Whatever that
selfish thing is.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I'm like, really, I mean, there are people who are
really divided with Rogers who played with him, and they're
like selfish, you know, on his own agenda. And then
you'd have people say, hey, you know, I'd walk through
fire for him, loved him, Yes, Paulin.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
He's won Super Bowl away from being equal to Peyton Manning,
an equal to all those guys. If you look at
his numbers, his super Bowl is early. I think he
was twenty seven when he won it, and so it's
kind of way in the past. If he if he
picked off one more Super Bowl, let's sa he got
one in two thousands, but.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
He might get it the way Peyton got it, where
oh yeah, you're kind of like, uh, hey, your team
won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
You know that would be enough though, because his stats
he has four hundred and ninety crew touchdowns and one
hundred and twelve picks.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Okay, who would you rather have? Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers?
You're starting your team. They're both twenty seven years of bit.
Oh man, who you starting your team? Is it too
early to bring that up?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
That might be the toughest because there's no wrong answer.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
If I threw Brady in there, does Brady separate himself
from those those two? You start in your team? Brady Rogers, Peyton?
How about we take a break?
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Wowsult? I'm gonna add what is insulting? Oh well, you
would say Tom Brady? Okay, well, who in the right
mind who? Okay, I can take him off. I can
take him off. We'll just have Peyton Manning Aaron Rodgers.
I'm going to hit Tom Pelsero from NFL Network with that. Now,
I'm gonna start his morning with that.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
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seven eastern. All right, Tom, before we get started, you
(15:24):
can start your team with Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning.
They're both twenty seven years of age. Who you taken
as your quarterback.
Speaker 8 (15:35):
So Peyton Manning won his first MVP I believe, at
age twenty seven in three so he was very much
like coming into his prime at that point. I was
covering the Packers in the early stages of Aaron Rodgers' career.
I was on at the Green Bay Prescazette from seven
to nine, so he was a little bit but below
age twenty seven. He was coming into his MVP years
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there too. I think it's probably Peyton, honestly, just because
the track record was there. You know, Aaron had gone
the Juco route and then it played at Cal and
they totally remade his mechanics early on you were still
finding out now, you know, nine, ten eleven, he suddenly
was playing at you know, the best level in the NFL.
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But just in terms of like the safety, who I
feel most confident about, I'd probably say Peyton man.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, I don't know if there's a wrong answer. Aaron,
I think was twenty eight when he won his MVP
Peyton because I mentioned this, I wonder if there's gonna
be a bias with Lamar Jackson because he hasn't won
a Super Bowl. And it feels like we sometimes base
our regular season vote on or against somebody because they
haven't done well in the postseason. We do this in
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the NBA. You know, Joe Ellenbiid hadn't won anything that
he somehow got an MVP Joker, they held it against him.
You can't give him another MVP. Janni's got an MVP
after he won a title there. So I wonder Lamar
probably with a bias against him. And then you got
what's happening with Derrick Henry as well?
Speaker 8 (17:06):
Yeah, well I think that's I think that's the more
compelling point Dan is Derrick Henry. If you've got two
people on the same team and you can make a
coach and argument for either of them being the MVP,
then is either of them the MVP or is it
kind of the perfect you know, collective. I don't think
that the now everybody does it differently. I had a
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vote for a number of years and then they don't
let you vote when you go to NFL Network, so
I lost my vote. My procedure was I just talked
to every coach and GM in the league that I
could and said, like, who would you vote for on
all these awards? I think other people probably just vote
on gut feeling or what they're seeing on the field.
I know that it's Aaron Rodgers won four MVPs and
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he's got one Super Bowl win. Lamar's won two MVPs
without a Super Bowl win. I think that we like
the new thing. I think that's the biggest bias that
we see is, Hey, you know, Cam Newton had an
unbelievable year, and he did in twenty fifteen, but at
no point before or after that was he an MVP
level type of a player. He won in a landslide
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in twenty fifteen. Because you know, it just gets boring
voting for Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Bill Belichick I
think only won like one or two Coach of the
Year awards because people get bored. They like the new thing,
you know, and then half the time the Coach of
the Year two years later they're fired.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, but Jared Goff, you can't play any better than
he's played in the last six games. These are historical
numbers and they're winning it. There's efficiency. They appear to
be the best team in the NFC, but it doesn't
feel like Jared Goff gets mentioned when And look, I'm
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not campaigning for him. I just know what he's doing
hasn't been done before. So the value you get for
him with your team has to be factored in as well.
Speaker 8 (18:59):
Jared Goff had a really weird career when you think
about it. I mean, he's the number one overall pick
in twenty sixteen. He plays his first year, takes over
under Jeff Fisher, and it's just abysmal, and everyone in
the world is saying the Rams messed up. They should
have drafted Carson Wentz. This guy can't play. Sean mcveigat's there.
The following year, Jared Goff starts playing all of a sudden
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at a really high level, and there was a lot
made of, you know, the communication and how McVeigh was
in Golf's here and helping him through, but Jared was
learning all the way through. There, they go to a
super Bowl, they get shut down by the Patriots. A
year or two later, McVeigh decides, I can't win with
the guy. He's the throw. I think they had to
trade a first round pick to offload his guaranteed money
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to get Matthew Stafford. Obviously it worked on well for
the Rams, because you know, they won a Super Bowl
in that first year with Stafford. But for Golf to
go from he's a joke to oh my goodness, he's
one of the best players in the league too, he's
a joke again back to he's one of the best
players in the league. Like, you don't see that type
of arc a whole lot here. I think that, yeah,
I mean I think that that some of that does
perhaps get held against people. Everybody knows. Ben Johnson's really good,
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Dan Campbell's really good. They got tons of weapons on
that Lion's team, but they're still, you know, going out there.
They lose Aydon Hutchinson, one of the best young defensive
players in the league, and it doesn't even matter because
they're scoring fifty points a game. I think that Jared
Goff has to be considered among the MVP candidates, even
though you know, if you put together the Jared Goff
highlight reel versus the Lamar or pet Holmes highlight reel.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
You know, golf loses Tom Pelvisero NFL Network insider, give
me the best trade rumor you heard yesterday that didn't
come to fruition or the last week or.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
So, I would say. I mean, there's always, you know,
various names that pop up at different points, and there
was a lot made of you know, the Rams stuff,
which was real. I mean, the Cooper Cuff stuff. They
absolutely explored it. He didn't end up getting traded all
of a sudden, They win three games in a row
and they're like a half game back in the division lead. Now,
you know, if that season goes a different direction, are
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we talking about Matthew Stafford potential being traded. I mean,
there were definitely people speculating about that when they were
one and four, but we didn't have we never had
a quarterback suffer a major season ending injury. That's one
of the biggest differences last year versus this year. You know,
you had that early spate last year of Aaron Rodgers
gets hurt right out of the gate, and Cousins gets
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hurt and Anthony Richardson gets hurt. Like there was this
line of quarterbacks suffering major injuries. We didn't have it,
so a lot of the quarterback stuff never really got
ramped up just because there wasn't the need there. I
would say, you know, one of the wildest trades that
happened was what happened with Marshawn Lattimore. Because the Saints
go from firing Dennis Allen on Sunday or Monday or
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Monday morning, whatever. It was a very unique statement. I
think it's fair to say for Mickey Loomis where he
basically says like, this wasn't Dennis Allen's fault. He's a
great coach. We had a ton of injuries and we're
gonna miss him. I don't recall seeing a GM say
something no. There was no turn in the statement too,
but we needed to make it so Mickey Loomis feels
like still he's got a really good team. The one
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guy they were going to trade was Latimore, and credit
to Mickey for you know, stirring up a market. They
had four different teams. I thought it was getting done
to the Chiefs that they were gonna make yet another splash.
Oh wow, you know, the Ravens were in that mix,
the Chargers were I believe in that mix. And then
in the end, it's the Commanders, who a year ago
were the big story of trade deadline because they traded everybody,
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because they traded Chase Young to San Francisco, and they
traded Montes Sweat to Chicago to get a year later
and for them to be the team that really came
out of nowhere in the last hour before that trade
got done and give up a third and fourth round
pick to add a veteran cornerback. You know, it's a
fun time to watch what the what the Commanders are doing.
But that was definitely one where you're chasing all these
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different permutations and I did not think until the final
twenty minutes or so that he was going to Washington.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Who should have been traded.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
It's a good question. I'm a little bit surprised that
the Browns didn't do more.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
That.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
That's probably indicative of the fact that they feel like
they had a playoff team last year. And but for
you know, the up and down quarterback play that they've
had throughout the course of the season, and now with
Deshaan Watson hurt yet again, another guy who got hurt
last year, another one of those ones where they went
through five different quarterbacks. They feel like they you know,
they still could have been good. I mean, it sounded
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like they were willing to trade just about anybody. I
wasn't surprised that they didn't trade Miles Garrett, but I thought,
you know, between listen, they already traded Amari Cooper and
that was a fairly significant deal. They traded Zadarius Smith
to Detroit finally yesterday after after several weeks of work.
But you know, between let's say, you know, Greg Newsom,
I'm just throwing out names, and I thought, like made
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sense on paper, Greg Newsom, maybe David Nijoku, You've got
some good players, Elijah Moore that you probably could get
value for. I thought maybe this would be a especially
knowing the Browns analytical approach, I thought maybe this would
be more of a go down to build back up.
They seem to be, you know, looking toward twenty twenty five,
of let's get a new quarterback. Potentially you know, see
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where Deshaun Watson is. Realistically, they got to draft a
quarterback next year, and they did pick up some ammunition.
I thought maybe they'd pick up even more.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Yeah, I don't know if you can rebuild with Deshaun
Watson's contract there.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
It's it's a really valid point, Dan, I would say this,
you know, ninety two million dollars is what they still
over the next two years. Forget this year for a second,
because they already paid that down. Anyway, they owned ninety
two million over the next two years. That would be
the most cash that we've ever seen a team eat.
But we just saw the Broncos last year eat it
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somewhere around forty million of Russell Wilson. Just to say
we are moving on, how do the Browns get out
out of things with Deshaun Watson. I mean, there's several
different ways this could go. One is you just say
we're paying them anyway, Let's draft a quarterback, sign a quarterback, whatever,
Let DeShawn come in. It's an open competition, and we
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see what happens and we either cut them or is
the backup or maybe you know, he finally gets back
and is the starter again, but we let it ride.
The second option of this is you pull off a
brock Osweiler style trade or you send you know, assets
with the player to get rid of the player and
get rid of his money. Ninety two million would be
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an extreme amount to trade. I mean, brock Osweiler, you know,
that's always the example, because the Browns at the time
took on his seventeen million dollars salary and got a
second round pick out of it. Well, if the second
round picks were seventeen million, well what do you get
for ninety two million? I mean, you're probably throwing good
money after bad literally and figuratively, if you're saying, all right,
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let's send two first round picks just to try to
get rid of de Shawn's money. So the third option
is you cut them. You just say, we're going to
eat the ninety two million.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
It is what it is.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
We're going to take it now, and Deshaun can go
on to the next thing and we are getting a
clean break. That would hurt, obviously, because they put so
much into this trade, in several first round picks, giving
them a two or three million dollar fully guaranteed contract,
taking you know, all the flak that they did, and
a lot of it justified for making that trade at
the time that they did it. But you know, they
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thought they were getting a top five quarterback. Instead they
got a guy who on paper is the least efficient
quarterback in the entire NFL is hurt once again, and
it's played a grand total, if I want to say,
it's nineteen games over the past four seasons combined. That's
where they are. I think you can rebuild, but it's
gonna take a little bit of you know, it's gonna
take some pain. We've seen teams do it. The Bills
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did it early on when Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean
were there. Just took the boatload of the cap consequences
and everything else. They had a really down second year,
but then you know, you got that thing building in
the right direction. It's not impossible. It'll hurt, it's gonna
be pain, but it's not impossible.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Dan, great to talk to you. Thank you again.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
Tom appreciate it as always.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (27:04):
He's OURG three former NFL Quarterback Rookie of the Year
heispin winner, and check out his podcast Out of Pocket
with RG three on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast.
Always Got the Black Cowboy Hat on You Got a
Sean Taylor throwback jersey as well. Yeah, okay, all right,
hey man, I.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Appreciate you having me on the show. Dan. How you doing,
brother good?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
What's the black cowboy hat? For black cowboy hat?
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Honestly, I just I've been wearing it for a few
months now, being at home creating content, you know, connecting
with the fans. So just felt like it was it
was time to bring the cowboy hat on the Dan
Patrick Show, especially with a lot of the stuff that's
going on in the league right now. I just I
just felt very cowboy ish, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Okay, but it feels like you're anti cowboy if you're
wearing the black hat.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
I mean, I did play for the Washington Commanders. I
wouldn't say I'm anti cowboy. I just like to live
in reality. And we all know who the biggest loser
the trade deadline were and who was that? Oh it's
Dallas Cowboys. Then for the Cowboys to come away with
Jonathan Mingo, who I love Jonathan Mingo, the player was
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very high on him coming out and think that he
can still be a great contributor in the NFL. But
for them to give up a fourth round pick to
get him when the kans City Chiefs gave up a
fifth rounder to get seven times I think it was
thousand yard receiver DeAndre Hopkins. The Ravens gave up a
fifth round pick to get Deontay Johnson. Who else gave
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up some picks to get a receiver? It was Oh,
the Steelers gave up a fifth round pick to get
Mike Williams. Now, everyone will say, hey, those guys are
older expiring contracts, but every single NFL executive that I
talked to told me that it was a bad deal
for the Cowboys to give up so much to get
Jonathan Mingo. So when we talked about the Cowboys in
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the offseason, it was, hey, they're all in, and I
just don't understand how they're making these moves now that
their quarterback is on ir did Dak Prescott not being available,
and they think that this move signing or trading for
Jonathan Mingo is going to make their fan base believing
what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
It's not.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
It's gonna make everybody rebel and continue to laugh at
the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Would you make of the Commanders in what they did
with Marshawn Latimore.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
I mean, it was just it's glorious to me. It
was the stamp of approval for Adam Peters being the
NFL Executive of the Year. I think he's been making
win move after when move. From the very beginning of
the offseason. You talk about bringing in offensive production that's
veteran led with zach Ertzit tied end and Austin Eckler
at running back. Noah Brown, a late pickups was their
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leading receiver last week. And then you also talk about
what he did on the defense side of the ball,
bringing in Bobby Wagner to make him the centerpiece of
the Commander's defense with Dan Quinn essentially running that defense
in the style that both of them know together. Bringing
in Dante Fowler Junior, who's playing out of his mind.
Frankie Louvo has also added an identity to that defense.
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Into that locker room, Adam Peters has made move after move,
including drafting Jayden Daniels that has put Washington position to
win this year. He basically turned Jahadan Dotson into Marshawn Lattimore.
I don't know how you couldn't say that at this
point in the season. This guy is the executive of
the Year and I'm just so happy for the team.
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I'm happy for the fans. The fans in Washington, DC
deserve this type of winner at seven and two, and
it further proves my point of what I made earlier
this year about them being the best situation for a
young quarterback because coaching matters and structure matters, and they
have all of that lockdown right now.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, I can't argue with what he's done and the
pieces that he's had. I would probably push back and say,
Brett Beach with the Chiefs is I mean, they lose
players and he just plugs and plays, and they plug
and play and they play well. I mean, anybody could
have had these guys and they bring them in and
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that's where if you're looking at an MVP, it wouldn't
be Patrick Mahomes, it would be Andy Reid and Brett Beach.
With what they're doing with this talent, I think it's
been incredible.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Yeah, Dan, it's been nothing short of amazing, and they're
trying to accomplish something different. If we were giving away
the Executive of the Year away at the end of
the season, I think we could all agree that if
the Kansas City Chiefs three peete for the first time
in NFL history. Then yeah, it goes to Brett Veach.
I think from the Commander's point of view, it's more
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of where they came from. The Chiefs have already been
at the top and are staying at the top. The
Commanders have forced their way to seven and two in
a year where people didn't even think they would be
contenders in their own division, and right now they're leading
that division. But to speak of the Kansas City Chiefs,
I mean the move they I do think they're the winners.
You know, obviously I'm wearing the Commander's jersey or Redskins jersey.
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You know fans out there, I still want that name back,
but that's neither here nor there. I'm wearing the Commander's jersey.
But I fully understand that the Kansas City Chiefs are
the team that won the trade deadline because they brought
in DeAndre Hopkins. He's a receiver that helps them get
closer to that three peat because it gives them two
chain movers on offense. You saw what Kelsey did this
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past week, fourteen catches one hundred yards. Having DeAndre Hopkins
there allows Mahomes to continue to have this moment of
like his BS meter like not his BS meter. His
I don't give a shit meter is off the radar.
Right now, he's throwing a bunch of interceptions. You saw
the throw that he made down the field of DeAndre Hopkins.
To make that catch, that's trust. And when you've had
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a receiver for two weeks and you're already doing those
types of things, I completely understand why de Hopp is
posting pictures of Randy Moss and Tom Brady because these
two could have that impact.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
He's RG three. You can check out his podcast, Out
of Pocket with RG three. It's available on YouTube wherever
you get your podcast. We stumbled upon this question that
you probably didn't think you would be answering today. You
can start your team with Peyton Manning, ok or Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
Man.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
I mean, I'm starting with Peyton Manning. I like all
these guys, you know. I think Peyton Manning's with the
greatest ever. I think Aaron Rodgers is one of the
greatest ever. I think for me, when you're building a team,
you want to build the culture, and I think that
Peyton Manning, over the course of his career had less
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issues with the media in the locker room, and I
think that part of it would make you pick Peyton Manning.
From a talent perspective, No, I believe that Aaron Rodgers
is overtly more talented than Peyton was. But when it
comes to their personalities, when you think of Peyton Manning,
you think of commercial and him being funny, his massive forehead,
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whatever you want to think about, right, But when you
think of Aaron Rodgers, if you go negative, it's some
of the locker room distractions. It's the darkness, retreats, it's
it's the missing of of you know, off season workouts
at times, even though I didn't have a problem with
that this past offseason because he was there every single
day for all the other days of the offseason. So
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I would just say their their ability to manage the
media is something that is a big deal when it
comes to being a franchise quarterback. So I would I
would start with Payton Manny.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
If I threw Brady in there, yeah, I mean I'd go,
it's all Brady.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
I think guy's got seven rings.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
I'm just I'm just looking at if we just did talent, Oh,
Aaron's got to be the most talented quarterback who's probably
ever played.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
I would disagree just because of Patrick Mahomes, just because
of Mahomes, and I don't think that's recent bias.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I think that he's.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Proven over the career, the years of his career, that
he is the most talented quarterback we have ever seen.
He can do everything Rogers does, he can do everything
Manning does, and he can do everything Brady does. And
he's on track to to go break Brady's record of
Super Bowl championships. So I would say it's Mahomes, But
after that, I think Aaron is certainly within the top five.
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There's some guys that Michael Vick, you know, one of
the most talented quarterbacks ever accomplished. No, yeah, Aaron's more accomplished,
but there's some guys out there that have been super
talented that maybe haven't put up the same numbers as Aaron.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
The college football playoffs, the brackets came out, yep, and
I love the fact that you got Indiana against Tennessee,
Boise State, Ohio State, Alabama, Texas opening round, Notre Dame
Penn State, and then you can't help but notice waiting
in the quarterfinals is BYU Here. People are gonna they're
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gonna lose their minds. If if you have Texas or Alabama,
these schools the blue bloods, and BYU is there waiting,
they would be waiting for the winner of Boise State
in Ohio State in the quarterfinals. What do you make
of the first showing of the rankings.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I just think what you just mentioned, Dan is exactly
why it didn't matter if it was four teams, twelve teams,
or thirty two teams. People are always going to have
a problem with whatever the end result ends up becoming.
BYU's earned that spot to be and have have a
bye week with the way that they've played, and no
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one should be upset about that. The beauty to me
of the twelve team playoff is the fact that we're
going to see matchups that we traditionally wouldn't see at
higher stakes, Not in the regular season, not the first
week of the season. But these are going to give
teams like a Boise State with Aston Genty, who is
the leader for the Heisman Trophy right now, despite popular
(37:00):
or the waves of support behind other players, this guy's
on pace to break Barry Sanders rushing record, which is
unheard of. So I want to see those matchups even
if it is against one of the vaunted blue blood programs,
they still have to go out and earn that week in,
week out in the College Football Playoff when the stakes
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are at their highest. A couple of years ago, who
saw TCU with Max Duggan having an opportunity to play
for a national championship. Yeah, I don't think anybody did. So.
I think that's the beauty of it. College football is
getting closer and closer to March Madness. We just can't
have that many games because obviously these kids can't play
a thirty game season.
Speaker 8 (37:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I think we're eventually going to get to the NFL model,
and I think you're going to have these teams that
are on the West coast, So the Pac twelve teams,
you know now in the Big Ten, they're going to
be playing regional again. So we're going to go back
to this eventually where you'll have teams in the Midwest,
teams in East Southeast and just like the NFL, and
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you're gonna be playing each other twice and then you'll
play you know, the the Midwest. One year it'll be
it'll be that model. I think we'll have, you know,
maybe forty teams and you know there's gonna be revenue
sharing and everything that goes along with that. What was
the most money? What was the best offer you got
from a school coming out of high school?
Speaker 6 (38:23):
I mean they were not paying when I was playing, Okay,
because Dan, if they were paying when I was playing,
you know, my family is financially secure and very well off,
but the amount of money that we'd demanded to bring
in at that time would have been astronomical. I will
tell you a story, though, I did get pranked one
time one of my offensive linemen. We were about to
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play TEXTA A and M my my freshman year big
rival obviously Baylor and AM don't play anymore, but a
big rivalry at the time, right down the road from
each other. And he told me, hey, you know, last
time last year when we won this game, I came
back to my apartment and there was like two thousand
bucks in a double day out front of my apartment.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
And I'm like, okay.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
He's like, hey, man, if we win this game, I
wouldn't be surprised if that happened to you. So we go,
we win the game. You know, I throw for like
three touchdowns. We're balling out. We blow them out. I
literally sprinted back to my apartment. Dan, I was so
ready to see that duffel bag of fifty K. And
when I got back to my point my apartment, my
offensive lineman was was sitting in the parking lot in
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this truck laughing. There was the funniest thing for me. But,
like I always tell people, if you think that you
would not have taken money if it was offered to you,
especially when if you're a kid like myself who wasn't
well off, you're lying to yourself. That's not a moral thing.
A lot of the guys that talk on TV, you
know that were players. They took money in their time.
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But I didn't get any of those offers. And if
I did, obviously we probably wouldn't be talking about it.
But I didn't get any offers, unfortunately. And that's just
being honest. We got to be honest with each other.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Here, Okay. I know, I'm just surprised that nobody's offering
you like a car. No no, no car offer.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
No car offer. The only offer I ever got that
was material was like a job to like go work
at a law firm because I went to school for
political science and that was my degree. That's what I
got my undergrad degree in. So one school had like
offered me a job at a law firm in the
off season or in the summer, which is also illegal.
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It was illegal at the time, So I turned that
down because I didn't want to lose my eligibility. But
I didn't get any car offers anything like that. Now
I'm not saying I am not saying that there aren't
some people that I know that did, but I am
not going to snitch on them.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
What's the best offer? You don't have to mention a
name like this guy got taken care of. He got what.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Oh, they were making five hundred thousand dollars a year,
so whenever when when back then?
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (41:02):
Back then?
Speaker 8 (41:02):
So yeah, back then.
Speaker 6 (41:03):
So I was two. That was two thousand and eight
when I came out, So back then they were making
five hundred thousand a year. This was not at Baylor,
by the way, No one at Baylor.
Speaker 8 (41:12):
Which.
Speaker 6 (41:13):
The compliance the compliance team at Baylor top notch. I
got a free pizza one time, and they made me
go back and.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Pay for the pizza.
Speaker 6 (41:22):
Okay, so I don't know how they even found out
I got the free pizza, but they found out I
got the free pizza.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, but imagine the Ohio State guys with Terrell Pryor
where they're trading gear for tattoos like nowadays. Like if
you say that nowadays, you're like, wait a minute, they
got in trouble for that. Yeah, and their coach got fired.
Jim Tressel, Yes.
Speaker 6 (41:42):
You're spot on. And and the thing about it is,
it's it's so crazy when I hear people talk about
the wild wild West that college football is. It's always
been the wild wild West. It's now just legal and
people can be more forthcoming and they can track that
information with nil earnings. That that not everybody loves. But
understand that what you see now in the forefront was
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happening behind the scenes at a lot of major and massive,
blue blood programs well before it became public.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Good to talk to you again, Thanks for sharing.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
I appreciate you guys. God bless
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Every day is the Super Bowl. How's morale? Let's go
our one This Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Needs Dan
Patrick Show. Trade deadline came and went. Had a little
bit of action there. Tom Pelsero, NFL network insider, will
join us coming up a little bit. Also, Robert Griffin Junior,
the third former Heisman winner. He will join us a
(00:26):
little bit later on as well. NBA suspends Joellenbiid for
three games for the incident with the reporter, So you're
going to have him play even less basketball. I would
make Joe Ellenbiid play three games. Maybe we start there.
The first college football rankings released, we'll talk about that
as well. We have the NFL octob VP.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Septem VP went so well.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, the NFL octob VP. That'll be coming up little
bit later on as well. We play in or out.
We got a lot of things to get to today.
Shoheyo Tani has shoulder surgery, so it wasn't just it
was popped out of place. He's got labram surgery, and
(01:15):
from first hand knowledge of that, that's going to be
a little more recovery time than if he dislocated his
shoulder but torn labram non pitching shoulder, and I'm sure
he'll be ready for spring training, all right. The Commanders
got a cornerback out from the Saints, Marcus Lattimore. And
(01:36):
if I would have said at the start of the year, hey,
by the way, the Commanders are buying at the trade deadline,
they're going all in, and then you'd go, well, they
got a rookie quarterback dan Quinn, first year coach there,
although he's coached before, and you're in a pretty tough division.
Feels like you're going to have the Eagles going to
be really good. Maybe the Cowboys are good. The Giants
(01:59):
could they be good? Probably not. But the Saints gave
up Marcus Lattimore. Lattimore was the pick after Patrick Mahomes,
so Drew Brees was gonna take or no, Sean Payton
was going to take Patrick Mahomes And that's when the
Chiefs went up and got him. And then he said, look,
(02:21):
if he was there, we were taking him. Instead, they
took Marcus Lattimore, who is I think a three time
All Pro. I mean, he's a really good defensive back.
The Steelers get Mike Williams, I found it interesting. You know,
we do give credit to Aaron Rodgers that he's running
the Jets. He was on the Pat McAfee show when
he found out his former teammate was now being traded.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Mike's good guy. He'll be he'll be good in that
locker room. Obviously, I had a lot of great veteran leadership.
He's he said, a nice career, and sometimes change the
scenery is is great for great for certain guys. I
mean it was great for me. It's fun kind of
get Rian Reanthus and stuff. And you know, we kind
of knew with DeVante coming in that there'd be less
targets for everybody because you know, Geez leading the league targets.
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Eaither to get his targets and tays dynamic players need
his targets. So if this gives Mike more opportunities, that's
awesome and h and we wish Mike.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Well, okay, wow, surely nice. He didn't call him out
when he ran the wrong pass route and he threw
an interception. But hey, you love Mike. And Mike's now
going to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Even the Steelers picking up somebody,
I know they did need another wide receiver. I don't
know what Mike Williams has left, but better than nothing,
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I guess. You know. He's got a lot of wide
receivers and tight ends. The Baltimore Ravens. The Ravens have
probably more weapons than anybody in football right now, and
that includes the Lions. So when you talk about two
great offenses, it feels like the Ravens said, Okay, our
defense isn't that good, but our offense is going to
(04:00):
be great. And I want to talk to Tom pel
Tom pelisro the NFL Network and ask him our teams
gearing up with whatever moves they made to face the
Kansas City Chiefs, because that's used to a lot of
teams will do that. Hey, we're going to improve our
team because we have to beat that team. And I
(04:21):
find that what the Commanders did, you get a really
good defensive back. But I looked at what the Ravens
were doing bringing in another wide receiver. Gonna You're going
to say, we might not be able to stop the
Kansas City Chiefs, but we don't believe they can stop
us either. Because you don't want to get into that
one dimensional game that happened last year in the playoffs,
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and you want to be able to have your game plan.
And it feels like the Ravens are all in on
offense this year. And normally you think of the Ravens,
you do think of defensive players. But they made some
moves there. Now, some other teams made moves, but they
made moves prior to the trade deadline. So we get
caught up in what happened yesterday. Other teams made moves
(05:05):
a week ago. But now we move on. This is it,
This is who your team is the rest of the season.
So we'll talk to Tom coming up. All right, Seeton
Pole question for hour one is going to be what
Pole question for hour one?
Speaker 5 (05:20):
What kind of mood did you wake up in today?
Speaker 6 (05:23):
Couldn't be better, couldn't be worse?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Back?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Football was great?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, it's a trade deadline question.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah the trade?
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Did your team do what you wanted them to do
for the trade deadline?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Got another question? I can't even have fun. By the way,
Todd Fritzy was sending notes last night during the election
coverage as if he was Kevin Harlan, And if Kevin
Harlan was working the election last night, he would have
(05:57):
sounded like this.
Speaker 7 (05:58):
The Vice President three with Vermont, but the former president
has gone on an eighteenth three electoral vote run. The
Harris campaign holds play to regroup and talk things over.
We step aside for stations to identify themselves. You're listening
to the Race to the White House exclusively on Westwood One.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
All right, thank you out have nice So Todd to credits.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You want to talk about it.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Take a thirty and figure it out.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Todd is doing this and I'm I'm watching mac football.
I just it got to the point I'm exhausted with
all of the election coverage, commercials uh, you know, sides, people,
pinions all that. I'm like, okay, whatever happens happens. I'm
gonna watch some maced football. And then Todd starts doing
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play by play.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
He kicked a field goal with Vermont, and all of
a sudden, it's eighteen three.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I'm like, what's going on here?
Speaker 7 (06:52):
Uh, it's eighteen to three an eighteen oh run team
Kamala is gonna talk about.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It than you.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
Thistoral College loan him out, and then I was like,
all right, you made me laugh there.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I thought we'd.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
Been trying to tell you about these swing states.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I thought we'd have to wait till Thursday to sort
all this out. It was like, uh, nope, midnight ball game.
Oh and that's it.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It's like baseball. It's a lot quicker these days.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
That's it. Yeah, you know, pitch count.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Uh what if the election was best out of three
and like this was the first game, and then what
would the results be for the next in two days
from now you have another one and then if there's
a need for a third election, then you go for that.
So opening round to the baseball playoff. Yeah, it's a
best of three. It's spread out over a week if necessary.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
All right, what's the other? What's the other?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well, since I brought up this first pole question, Paul
has sent me four.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Oh okay, Jackie, I.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Was just gonna steer away from that one. I'm going
to jump ahead to a segment, but I want to
get this on the record now.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I know we're doing.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Octob VP Okay later, but I'm going to put up
there your mid season MVP is dot dot dot.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I'll throw out a couple.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Of options for you.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Is that okay? Or no?
Speaker 5 (08:17):
You want me to just save the whole thing?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Why don't we save NFL October VP.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
I'm gonna do.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
This is your mid season MVP. That's a combination of
September and October.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Everybody gets the trophy.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Yeah, okay, yeah, all right, mid season MVPs. Yes, that's
the most Valuable Player. All right, thank you to clarifying,
just in case anyone knows wondering or person. Yeah, how
about Josh Allen of the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, fella, right there.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, he's doing some nice things, doing some nice things.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
How about Lamar Jackson, He's doing some nice thing, Baltimore
Ravens quarterback. I heard some blowbacks and pushback out Lamar
winning another MVP. Well did they say this when Aaron
Rodgers won his MVPs. Hey, he doesn't do anything in
the playoffs, Like we can't move the goalpost on Lamar
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Jackson or Peyton Manning. When he won his MVPs, he
wasn't winning Super Bowls like Rogers has won. Peyton has
really won. He won the other one in Denver.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But we're talking about when you win an MVP, how
many times do we go, well, what did he do
in the postseason? And it feels like we're trying to
do that with Lamar and I don't think any I
don't remember people doing that to Aaron Rodgers, Like, yeah,
they usually don't do well in the playoffs. I'm not
voting for him next time. He's got four MVPs, he's
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got one super Bowl. Now do I want to see
Lamar cash in and do well in the playoffs? I do?
Speaker 6 (09:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I don't like when you know, we go, oh, you know,
he was really good. But you want to see great
players be great, get the opportunity to be on a
big stage. But I don't think we held that against Peyton.
I don't think we held that against Aaron Rodgers. Yes, Marv, do.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
You think Derrick Henry having the season Eddie's having is
going to hurt Lamar's chances this season?
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Okay, yeah, He's got incredible number.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Both have incredible numbers. I think Josh Allen is the MVP,
and Jared Goff I'd put him in there as well.
I just it feels like people are like hesitant. It's
it's almost like when you're going to vote for a
Heisman candidate, but you're like, I don't know. Jared Goff
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feels like I don't know, but you look at the numbers.
This six game stretch is the greatest stretch completion wise
in NFL history. But if I say, hey, how about
that percentage with Jared Goff.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So gone two touchdowns seven percent, it's.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
There's nothing there where Lamar Jackson do something, or Josh
Allen will do something, Mahomes will do something. With Jared Goff,
you're like, oh, man, I don't think they've dropped a pass. Wow,
they're scoring forty two points. But he's not going to
get the credit there. But the whole MVP thing is tricky,
well documented on this show with how I've voted in
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different sports, different categories here, But I don't want to
hear this argument. Lamar Jackson doesn't do anything in the postseason.
Aaron Rodgers didn't either. Peyton had his moments, but the
Patriots had his number. You win the MVP by what
you do during the regular season. I have no problem
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with that. It gets back to the NBA. They didn't
want to give it to Joker and give him another
one because of the category that it would put him in,
Like are you going to put him in there with
Larry Bird and Bill Russell? And yes, yes, he's been
the best player in basketball, not well, I didn't do
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anything in the postseason, Joe ellen BEIID hasn't and he
got MVP. We waited for Giannis to win a title.
Now you can validate giving the MVP. It's tricky like that.
It shouldn't be like that, but it is for a
lot of voters.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yes, Paul, I disagree a little bit on the Rogers
angle because Rogers won the Super Bowl in twenty ten,
and that following season he won his first MVP. After that,
not a lot of playoff victories, but he didn't get
a league MVP till he won Super Bowl. So they
did wait for him, and then after that his MVPs.
If you look at his three that he got afterwards,
and you're right, he didn't do much in the playoffs
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after the first Super Bowl. His numbers were silly. They
were like almost impossible to ignore. Like that Joe Burrow
year at LSU, he had the MVP thirty eight touchdowns,
five picks in a season. Another one he had forty
eight touchdowns and five picks. That might be the single
greatest season of all time for a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
But if I told you he's not going to do
anything in the postseason, but.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
That's where Lamar is kind of You're right, but is.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That would that have affected somebody's vote? And I think
it would have, yeah, because hey, look I can't deny
what Rogers did. He was spectacular. Now you do get
ex teammates will say, you know, he was trying to
boost his stats so he didn't have intercell Like, he
wasn't throwing those passes that were fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I wish my Bears quarterbacks would do that. Whatever that
selfish thing is.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I'm like, really, I mean, there are people who are
really divided with Rogers who played with him, and they're
like selfish, you know, on his own agenda. And then
you'd have people say, hey, you know, I'd walk through
fire for him, loved him, Yes, Paulin.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
He's won Super Bowl away from being equal to Peyton Manning,
an equal to all those guys. If you look at
his numbers, his super Bowl is early. I think he
was twenty seven when he won it, and so it's
kind of way in the past. If he if he
picked off one more Super Bowl, let's sa he got
one in two thousands, but.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
He might get it the way Peyton got it, where
oh yeah, you're kind of like, uh, hey, your team
won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
You know that would be enough though, because his stats
he has four hundred and ninety crew touchdowns and one
hundred and twelve picks.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Okay, who would you rather have? Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers?
You're starting your team. They're both twenty seven years of bit.
Oh man, who you starting your team? Is it too
early to bring that up?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
That might be the toughest because there's no wrong answer.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
If I threw Brady in there, does Brady separate himself
from those those two? You start in your team? Brady Rogers, Peyton?
How about we take a break?
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Wowsult? I'm gonna add what is insulting? Oh well, you
would say Tom Brady? Okay, well, who in the right
mind who? Okay, I can take him off. I can
take him off. We'll just have Peyton Manning Aaron Rodgers.
I'm going to hit Tom Pelsero from NFL Network with that. Now,
I'm gonna start his morning with that.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
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listen live. He's Tom Pelsero NFL Network Insider. You can
see him on the Insiders on NFL Network tonight at
seven eastern. All right, Tom, before we get started, you
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can start your team with Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning.
They're both twenty seven years of age. Who you taken
as your quarterback.
Speaker 8 (15:35):
So Peyton Manning won his first MVP I believe, at
age twenty seven in three so he was very much
like coming into his prime at that point. I was
covering the Packers in the early stages of Aaron Rodgers' career.
I was on at the Green Bay Prescazette from seven
to nine, so he was a little bit but below
age twenty seven. He was coming into his MVP years
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there too. I think it's probably Peyton, honestly, just because
the track record was there. You know, Aaron had gone
the Juco route and then it played at Cal and
they totally remade his mechanics early on you were still
finding out now, you know, nine, ten eleven, he suddenly
was playing at you know, the best level in the NFL.
(16:18):
But just in terms of like the safety, who I
feel most confident about, I'd probably say Peyton man.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, I don't know if there's a wrong answer. Aaron,
I think was twenty eight when he won his MVP
Peyton because I mentioned this, I wonder if there's gonna
be a bias with Lamar Jackson because he hasn't won
a Super Bowl. And it feels like we sometimes base
our regular season vote on or against somebody because they
haven't done well in the postseason. We do this in
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the NBA. You know, Joe Ellenbiid hadn't won anything that
he somehow got an MVP Joker, they held it against him.
You can't give him another MVP. Janni's got an MVP
after he won a title there. So I wonder Lamar
probably with a bias against him. And then you got
what's happening with Derrick Henry as well?
Speaker 8 (17:06):
Yeah, well I think that's I think that's the more
compelling point Dan is Derrick Henry. If you've got two
people on the same team and you can make a
coach and argument for either of them being the MVP,
then is either of them the MVP or is it
kind of the perfect you know, collective. I don't think
that the now everybody does it differently. I had a
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vote for a number of years and then they don't
let you vote when you go to NFL Network, so
I lost my vote. My procedure was I just talked
to every coach and GM in the league that I
could and said, like, who would you vote for on
all these awards? I think other people probably just vote
on gut feeling or what they're seeing on the field.
I know that it's Aaron Rodgers won four MVPs and
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he's got one Super Bowl win. Lamar's won two MVPs
without a Super Bowl win. I think that we like
the new thing. I think that's the biggest bias that
we see is, Hey, you know, Cam Newton had an
unbelievable year, and he did in twenty fifteen, but at
no point before or after that was he an MVP
level type of a player. He won in a landslide
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in twenty fifteen. Because you know, it just gets boring
voting for Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Bill Belichick I
think only won like one or two Coach of the
Year awards because people get bored. They like the new thing,
you know, and then half the time the Coach of
the Year two years later they're fired.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, but Jared Goff, you can't play any better than
he's played in the last six games. These are historical
numbers and they're winning it. There's efficiency. They appear to
be the best team in the NFC, but it doesn't
feel like Jared Goff gets mentioned when And look, I'm
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not campaigning for him. I just know what he's doing
hasn't been done before. So the value you get for
him with your team has to be factored in as well.
Speaker 8 (18:59):
Jared Goff had a really weird career when you think
about it. I mean, he's the number one overall pick
in twenty sixteen. He plays his first year, takes over
under Jeff Fisher, and it's just abysmal, and everyone in
the world is saying the Rams messed up. They should
have drafted Carson Wentz. This guy can't play. Sean mcveigat's there.
The following year, Jared Goff starts playing all of a sudden
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at a really high level, and there was a lot
made of, you know, the communication and how McVeigh was
in Golf's here and helping him through, but Jared was
learning all the way through. There, they go to a
super Bowl, they get shut down by the Patriots. A
year or two later, McVeigh decides, I can't win with
the guy. He's the throw. I think they had to
trade a first round pick to offload his guaranteed money
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to get Matthew Stafford. Obviously it worked on well for
the Rams, because you know, they won a Super Bowl
in that first year with Stafford. But for Golf to
go from he's a joke to oh my goodness, he's
one of the best players in the league too, he's
a joke again back to he's one of the best
players in the league. Like, you don't see that type
of arc a whole lot here. I think that, yeah,
I mean I think that that some of that does
perhaps get held against people. Everybody knows. Ben Johnson's really good,
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Dan Campbell's really good. They got tons of weapons on
that Lion's team, but they're still, you know, going out there.
They lose Aydon Hutchinson, one of the best young defensive
players in the league, and it doesn't even matter because
they're scoring fifty points a game. I think that Jared
Goff has to be considered among the MVP candidates, even
though you know, if you put together the Jared Goff
highlight reel versus the Lamar or pet Holmes highlight reel.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
You know, golf loses Tom Pelvisero NFL Network insider, give
me the best trade rumor you heard yesterday that didn't
come to fruition or the last week or.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
So, I would say. I mean, there's always, you know,
various names that pop up at different points, and there
was a lot made of you know, the Rams stuff,
which was real. I mean, the Cooper Cuff stuff. They
absolutely explored it. He didn't end up getting traded all
of a sudden, They win three games in a row
and they're like a half game back in the division lead. Now,
you know, if that season goes a different direction, are
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we talking about Matthew Stafford potential being traded. I mean,
there were definitely people speculating about that when they were
one and four, but we didn't have we never had
a quarterback suffer a major season ending injury. That's one
of the biggest differences last year versus this year. You know,
you had that early spate last year of Aaron Rodgers
gets hurt right out of the gate, and Cousins gets
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hurt and Anthony Richardson gets hurt. Like there was this
line of quarterbacks suffering major injuries. We didn't have it,
so a lot of the quarterback stuff never really got
ramped up just because there wasn't the need there. I
would say, you know, one of the wildest trades that
happened was what happened with Marshawn Lattimore. Because the Saints
go from firing Dennis Allen on Sunday or Monday or
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Monday morning, whatever. It was a very unique statement. I
think it's fair to say for Mickey Loomis where he
basically says like, this wasn't Dennis Allen's fault. He's a
great coach. We had a ton of injuries and we're
gonna miss him. I don't recall seeing a GM say
something no. There was no turn in the statement too,
but we needed to make it so Mickey Loomis feels
like still he's got a really good team. The one
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guy they were going to trade was Latimore, and credit
to Mickey for you know, stirring up a market. They
had four different teams. I thought it was getting done
to the Chiefs that they were gonna make yet another splash.
Oh wow, you know, the Ravens were in that mix,
the Chargers were I believe in that mix. And then
in the end, it's the Commanders, who a year ago
were the big story of trade deadline because they traded everybody,
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because they traded Chase Young to San Francisco, and they
traded Montes Sweat to Chicago to get a year later
and for them to be the team that really came
out of nowhere in the last hour before that trade
got done and give up a third and fourth round
pick to add a veteran cornerback. You know, it's a
fun time to watch what the what the Commanders are doing.
But that was definitely one where you're chasing all these
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different permutations and I did not think until the final
twenty minutes or so that he was going to Washington.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Who should have been traded.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
It's a good question. I'm a little bit surprised that
the Browns didn't do more.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
That.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
That's probably indicative of the fact that they feel like
they had a playoff team last year. And but for
you know, the up and down quarterback play that they've
had throughout the course of the season, and now with
Deshaan Watson hurt yet again, another guy who got hurt
last year, another one of those ones where they went
through five different quarterbacks. They feel like they you know,
they still could have been good. I mean, it sounded
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like they were willing to trade just about anybody. I
wasn't surprised that they didn't trade Miles Garrett, but I thought,
you know, between listen, they already traded Amari Cooper and
that was a fairly significant deal. They traded Zadarius Smith
to Detroit finally yesterday after after several weeks of work.
But you know, between let's say, you know, Greg Newsom,
I'm just throwing out names, and I thought, like made
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sense on paper, Greg Newsom, maybe David Nijoku, You've got
some good players, Elijah Moore that you probably could get
value for. I thought maybe this would be a especially
knowing the Browns analytical approach, I thought maybe this would
be more of a go down to build back up.
They seem to be, you know, looking toward twenty twenty five,
of let's get a new quarterback. Potentially you know, see
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where Deshaun Watson is. Realistically, they got to draft a
quarterback next year, and they did pick up some ammunition.
I thought maybe they'd pick up even more.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Yeah, I don't know if you can rebuild with Deshaun
Watson's contract there.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
It's it's a really valid point, Dan, I would say this,
you know, ninety two million dollars is what they still
over the next two years. Forget this year for a second,
because they already paid that down. Anyway, they owned ninety
two million over the next two years. That would be
the most cash that we've ever seen a team eat.
But we just saw the Broncos last year eat it
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somewhere around forty million of Russell Wilson. Just to say
we are moving on, how do the Browns get out
out of things with Deshaun Watson. I mean, there's several
different ways this could go. One is you just say
we're paying them anyway, Let's draft a quarterback, sign a quarterback, whatever,
Let DeShawn come in. It's an open competition, and we
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see what happens and we either cut them or is
the backup or maybe you know, he finally gets back
and is the starter again, but we let it ride.
The second option of this is you pull off a
brock Osweiler style trade or you send you know, assets
with the player to get rid of the player and
get rid of his money. Ninety two million would be
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an extreme amount to trade. I mean, brock Osweiler, you know,
that's always the example, because the Browns at the time
took on his seventeen million dollars salary and got a
second round pick out of it. Well, if the second
round picks were seventeen million, well what do you get
for ninety two million? I mean, you're probably throwing good
money after bad literally and figuratively, if you're saying, all right,
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let's send two first round picks just to try to
get rid of de Shawn's money. So the third option
is you cut them. You just say, we're going to
eat the ninety two million.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
It is what it is.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
We're going to take it now, and Deshaun can go
on to the next thing and we are getting a
clean break. That would hurt, obviously, because they put so
much into this trade, in several first round picks, giving
them a two or three million dollar fully guaranteed contract,
taking you know, all the flak that they did, and
a lot of it justified for making that trade at
the time that they did it. But you know, they
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thought they were getting a top five quarterback. Instead they
got a guy who on paper is the least efficient
quarterback in the entire NFL is hurt once again, and
it's played a grand total, if I want to say,
it's nineteen games over the past four seasons combined. That's
where they are. I think you can rebuild, but it's
gonna take a little bit of you know, it's gonna
take some pain. We've seen teams do it. The Bills
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did it early on when Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean
were there. Just took the boatload of the cap consequences
and everything else. They had a really down second year,
but then you know, you got that thing building in
the right direction. It's not impossible. It'll hurt, it's gonna
be pain, but it's not impossible.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Dan, great to talk to you. Thank you again.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
Tom appreciate it as always.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
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Speaker 2 (27:04):
He's OURG three former NFL Quarterback Rookie of the Year
heispin winner, and check out his podcast Out of Pocket
with RG three on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast.
Always Got the Black Cowboy Hat on You Got a
Sean Taylor throwback jersey as well. Yeah, okay, all right,
hey man, I.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Appreciate you having me on the show. Dan. How you doing,
brother good?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
What's the black cowboy hat? For black cowboy hat?
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Honestly, I just I've been wearing it for a few
months now, being at home creating content, you know, connecting
with the fans. So just felt like it was it
was time to bring the cowboy hat on the Dan
Patrick Show, especially with a lot of the stuff that's
going on in the league right now. I just I
just felt very cowboy ish, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Okay, but it feels like you're anti cowboy if you're
wearing the black hat.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
I mean, I did play for the Washington Commanders. I
wouldn't say I'm anti cowboy. I just like to live
in reality. And we all know who the biggest loser
the trade deadline were and who was that? Oh it's
Dallas Cowboys. Then for the Cowboys to come away with
Jonathan Mingo, who I love Jonathan Mingo, the player was
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very high on him coming out and think that he
can still be a great contributor in the NFL. But
for them to give up a fourth round pick to
get him when the kans City Chiefs gave up a
fifth rounder to get seven times I think it was
thousand yard receiver DeAndre Hopkins. The Ravens gave up a
fifth round pick to get Deontay Johnson. Who else gave
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up some picks to get a receiver? It was Oh,
the Steelers gave up a fifth round pick to get
Mike Williams. Now, everyone will say, hey, those guys are
older expiring contracts, but every single NFL executive that I
talked to told me that it was a bad deal
for the Cowboys to give up so much to get
Jonathan Mingo. So when we talked about the Cowboys in
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the offseason, it was, hey, they're all in, and I
just don't understand how they're making these moves now that
their quarterback is on ir did Dak Prescott not being available,
and they think that this move signing or trading for
Jonathan Mingo is going to make their fan base believing
what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
It's not.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
It's gonna make everybody rebel and continue to laugh at
the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Would you make of the Commanders in what they did
with Marshawn Latimore.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
I mean, it was just it's glorious to me. It
was the stamp of approval for Adam Peters being the
NFL Executive of the Year. I think he's been making
win move after when move. From the very beginning of
the offseason. You talk about bringing in offensive production that's
veteran led with zach Ertzit tied end and Austin Eckler
at running back. Noah Brown, a late pickups was their
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leading receiver last week. And then you also talk about
what he did on the defense side of the ball,
bringing in Bobby Wagner to make him the centerpiece of
the Commander's defense with Dan Quinn essentially running that defense
in the style that both of them know together. Bringing
in Dante Fowler Junior, who's playing out of his mind.
Frankie Louvo has also added an identity to that defense.
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Into that locker room, Adam Peters has made move after move,
including drafting Jayden Daniels that has put Washington position to
win this year. He basically turned Jahadan Dotson into Marshawn Lattimore.
I don't know how you couldn't say that at this
point in the season. This guy is the executive of
the Year and I'm just so happy for the team.
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I'm happy for the fans. The fans in Washington, DC
deserve this type of winner at seven and two, and
it further proves my point of what I made earlier
this year about them being the best situation for a
young quarterback because coaching matters and structure matters, and they
have all of that lockdown right now.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, I can't argue with what he's done and the
pieces that he's had. I would probably push back and say,
Brett Beach with the Chiefs is I mean, they lose
players and he just plugs and plays, and they plug
and play and they play well. I mean, anybody could
have had these guys and they bring them in and
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that's where if you're looking at an MVP, it wouldn't
be Patrick Mahomes, it would be Andy Reid and Brett Beach.
With what they're doing with this talent, I think it's
been incredible.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Yeah, Dan, it's been nothing short of amazing, and they're
trying to accomplish something different. If we were giving away
the Executive of the Year away at the end of
the season, I think we could all agree that if
the Kansas City Chiefs three peete for the first time
in NFL history. Then yeah, it goes to Brett Veach.
I think from the Commander's point of view, it's more
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of where they came from. The Chiefs have already been
at the top and are staying at the top. The
Commanders have forced their way to seven and two in
a year where people didn't even think they would be
contenders in their own division, and right now they're leading
that division. But to speak of the Kansas City Chiefs,
I mean the move they I do think they're the winners.
You know, obviously I'm wearing the Commander's jersey or Redskins jersey.
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You know fans out there, I still want that name back,
but that's neither here nor there. I'm wearing the Commander's jersey.
But I fully understand that the Kansas City Chiefs are
the team that won the trade deadline because they brought
in DeAndre Hopkins. He's a receiver that helps them get
closer to that three peat because it gives them two
chain movers on offense. You saw what Kelsey did this
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past week, fourteen catches one hundred yards. Having DeAndre Hopkins
there allows Mahomes to continue to have this moment of
like his BS meter like not his BS meter. His
I don't give a shit meter is off the radar.
Right now, he's throwing a bunch of interceptions. You saw
the throw that he made down the field of DeAndre Hopkins.
To make that catch, that's trust. And when you've had
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a receiver for two weeks and you're already doing those
types of things, I completely understand why de Hopp is
posting pictures of Randy Moss and Tom Brady because these
two could have that impact.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
He's RG three. You can check out his podcast, Out
of Pocket with RG three. It's available on YouTube wherever
you get your podcast. We stumbled upon this question that
you probably didn't think you would be answering today. You
can start your team with Peyton Manning, ok or Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
Man.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
I mean, I'm starting with Peyton Manning. I like all
these guys, you know. I think Peyton Manning's with the
greatest ever. I think Aaron Rodgers is one of the
greatest ever. I think for me, when you're building a team,
you want to build the culture, and I think that
Peyton Manning, over the course of his career had less
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issues with the media in the locker room, and I
think that part of it would make you pick Peyton Manning.
From a talent perspective, No, I believe that Aaron Rodgers
is overtly more talented than Peyton was. But when it
comes to their personalities, when you think of Peyton Manning,
you think of commercial and him being funny, his massive forehead,
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whatever you want to think about, right, But when you
think of Aaron Rodgers, if you go negative, it's some
of the locker room distractions. It's the darkness, retreats, it's
it's the missing of of you know, off season workouts
at times, even though I didn't have a problem with
that this past offseason because he was there every single
day for all the other days of the offseason. So
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I would just say their their ability to manage the
media is something that is a big deal when it
comes to being a franchise quarterback. So I would I
would start with Payton Manny.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
If I threw Brady in there, yeah, I mean I'd go,
it's all Brady.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
I think guy's got seven rings.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
I'm just I'm just looking at if we just did talent, Oh,
Aaron's got to be the most talented quarterback who's probably
ever played.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
I would disagree just because of Patrick Mahomes, just because
of Mahomes, and I don't think that's recent bias.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I think that he's.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Proven over the career, the years of his career, that
he is the most talented quarterback we have ever seen.
He can do everything Rogers does, he can do everything
Manning does, and he can do everything Brady does. And
he's on track to to go break Brady's record of
Super Bowl championships. So I would say it's Mahomes, But
after that, I think Aaron is certainly within the top five.
(35:22):
There's some guys that Michael Vick, you know, one of
the most talented quarterbacks ever accomplished. No, yeah, Aaron's more accomplished,
but there's some guys out there that have been super
talented that maybe haven't put up the same numbers as Aaron.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
The college football playoffs, the brackets came out, yep, and
I love the fact that you got Indiana against Tennessee,
Boise State, Ohio State, Alabama, Texas opening round, Notre Dame
Penn State, and then you can't help but notice waiting
in the quarterfinals is BYU Here. People are gonna they're
(35:58):
gonna lose their minds. If if you have Texas or Alabama,
these schools the blue bloods, and BYU is there waiting,
they would be waiting for the winner of Boise State
in Ohio State in the quarterfinals. What do you make
of the first showing of the rankings.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I just think what you just mentioned, Dan is exactly
why it didn't matter if it was four teams, twelve teams,
or thirty two teams. People are always going to have
a problem with whatever the end result ends up becoming.
BYU's earned that spot to be and have have a
bye week with the way that they've played, and no
(36:38):
one should be upset about that. The beauty to me
of the twelve team playoff is the fact that we're
going to see matchups that we traditionally wouldn't see at
higher stakes, Not in the regular season, not the first
week of the season. But these are going to give
teams like a Boise State with Aston Genty, who is
the leader for the Heisman Trophy right now, despite popular
(37:00):
or the waves of support behind other players, this guy's
on pace to break Barry Sanders rushing record, which is
unheard of. So I want to see those matchups even
if it is against one of the vaunted blue blood programs,
they still have to go out and earn that week in,
week out in the College Football Playoff when the stakes
(37:20):
are at their highest. A couple of years ago, who
saw TCU with Max Duggan having an opportunity to play
for a national championship. Yeah, I don't think anybody did. So.
I think that's the beauty of it. College football is
getting closer and closer to March Madness. We just can't
have that many games because obviously these kids can't play
a thirty game season.
Speaker 8 (37:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I think we're eventually going to get to the NFL model,
and I think you're going to have these teams that
are on the West coast, So the Pac twelve teams,
you know now in the Big Ten, they're going to
be playing regional again. So we're going to go back
to this eventually where you'll have teams in the Midwest,
teams in East Southeast and just like the NFL, and
(38:01):
you're gonna be playing each other twice and then you'll
play you know, the the Midwest. One year it'll be
it'll be that model. I think we'll have, you know,
maybe forty teams and you know there's gonna be revenue
sharing and everything that goes along with that. What was
the most money? What was the best offer you got
from a school coming out of high school?
Speaker 6 (38:23):
I mean they were not paying when I was playing, Okay,
because Dan, if they were paying when I was playing,
you know, my family is financially secure and very well off,
but the amount of money that we'd demanded to bring
in at that time would have been astronomical. I will
tell you a story, though, I did get pranked one
time one of my offensive linemen. We were about to
(38:45):
play TEXTA A and M my my freshman year big
rival obviously Baylor and AM don't play anymore, but a
big rivalry at the time, right down the road from
each other. And he told me, hey, you know, last
time last year when we won this game, I came
back to my apartment and there was like two thousand
bucks in a double day out front of my apartment.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
And I'm like, okay.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
He's like, hey, man, if we win this game, I
wouldn't be surprised if that happened to you. So we go,
we win the game. You know, I throw for like
three touchdowns. We're balling out. We blow them out. I
literally sprinted back to my apartment. Dan, I was so
ready to see that duffel bag of fifty K. And
when I got back to my point my apartment, my
offensive lineman was was sitting in the parking lot in
(39:26):
this truck laughing. There was the funniest thing for me. But,
like I always tell people, if you think that you
would not have taken money if it was offered to you,
especially when if you're a kid like myself who wasn't
well off, you're lying to yourself. That's not a moral thing.
A lot of the guys that talk on TV, you
know that were players. They took money in their time.
(39:48):
But I didn't get any of those offers. And if
I did, obviously we probably wouldn't be talking about it.
But I didn't get any offers, unfortunately. And that's just
being honest. We got to be honest with each other.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Here, Okay. I know, I'm just surprised that nobody's offering
you like a car. No no, no car offer.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
No car offer. The only offer I ever got that
was material was like a job to like go work
at a law firm because I went to school for
political science and that was my degree. That's what I
got my undergrad degree in. So one school had like
offered me a job at a law firm in the
off season or in the summer, which is also illegal.
(40:31):
It was illegal at the time, So I turned that
down because I didn't want to lose my eligibility. But
I didn't get any car offers anything like that. Now
I'm not saying I am not saying that there aren't
some people that I know that did, but I am
not going to snitch on them.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
What's the best offer? You don't have to mention a
name like this guy got taken care of. He got what.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Oh, they were making five hundred thousand dollars a year,
so whenever when when back then?
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (41:02):
Back then?
Speaker 8 (41:02):
So yeah, back then.
Speaker 6 (41:03):
So I was two. That was two thousand and eight
when I came out, So back then they were making
five hundred thousand a year. This was not at Baylor,
by the way, No one at Baylor.
Speaker 8 (41:12):
Which.
Speaker 6 (41:13):
The compliance the compliance team at Baylor top notch. I
got a free pizza one time, and they made me
go back and.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Pay for the pizza.
Speaker 6 (41:22):
Okay, so I don't know how they even found out
I got the free pizza, but they found out I
got the free pizza.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, but imagine the Ohio State guys with Terrell Pryor
where they're trading gear for tattoos like nowadays. Like if
you say that nowadays, you're like, wait a minute, they
got in trouble for that. Yeah, and their coach got fired.
Jim Tressel, Yes.
Speaker 6 (41:42):
You're spot on. And and the thing about it is,
it's it's so crazy when I hear people talk about
the wild wild West that college football is. It's always
been the wild wild West. It's now just legal and
people can be more forthcoming and they can track that
information with nil earnings. That that not everybody loves. But
understand that what you see now in the forefront was
(42:04):
happening behind the scenes at a lot of major and massive,
blue blood programs well before it became public.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Good to talk to you again, Thanks for sharing.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
I appreciate you guys. God bless
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