November 18, 2024 • 40 mins
Dan recaps the busy sports weekend. Why are the Bengals losing when Joe Burrow is performing so well? NFL Hall of Famer Steve Young discusses whether the Niners can still win a Super Bowl. Andrew Marchand explains what is going on with Inside the NBA, which is now being purchased by ESPN.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
There is no more undefeated team in the NFL, as
the Bills beat the Chiefs and an incredible performance by
Josh Allen, who has now become the leader in the
clubhouse for MVP this according to DraftKings. Second on the
list is Lamar Jackson. Then it's Jared Goff. If Jared
Goff didn't have that game where he threw four interceptions
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was it four or five? Five interceptions, he might be
above Lamar Jackson. But right now it's Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
Jared Goff, Jalen Hurts, and then Patrick Mahomes. But Alan
was wonderful yesterday once again. He's good during the regular
season and you probably had the same reaction. Can you
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do it again? Mahomes says to Josh Allen. Let's do
it again later on this season. That means it'll probably
be in Kansas City, and that's what we'll wait for.
Steelers hold off the Ravens. There are let's see, eighteen
games this season where a team didn't score a touchdown.
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The Steelers have two of the four wins in those
games where a team didn't score a touchdown, and four
of those teams have won. The Steelers have done it
twice as they hold on to beat the Ravens. This
is always a slugfest. It doesn't matter how good the
team is or how bad the team is. Doesn't mean
if one team is really good and one team isn't,
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it's going to come down to normally a field goal
and you had a chance for Lamar Jackson, but the
Steelers hold off the Ravens. Last night, the Chargers over
the Bengals. Chargers look unbelievable in the first half, the
Bengals look unbelievable in the second half. Some bad kicking.
Bad kicking was prevalent throughout the NFL. But Joe Burrow
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is putting up incredible numbers and has nothing to show
for it. When you look at the stats and you go,
he's thrown for three hundred yards, He's thrown for three touchdowns,
no interceptions, and he's done that, I think, three times
this year and he's lost all three games. Almost statistically
impossible to throw for three hundred have three touchdowns and
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no interceptions, and they lost last night. But when you're
looking at perfection, Jared Goff four hundred yards four touchdowns
another perfect passer rating. Seventh time in league history a
quarterback has thrown for at least four hundred yards with
four more passing touchdowns and a perfect passer rating. Well,
guess who is the only quarterback to have two of those?
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Jared Goff who Stall of a.
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I like the Seahawks. I thought they were a playoff team.
That's a big win against the Niners, and I like
what I saw with Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson is younger
than Shador Sanders by a couple of months, and I'm
glad that the Colts went back to him. I'm glad
Carolina went back to Bryce Young. We forget we're kicking
kids to the curb when they're twenty one, twenty two,
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twenty three. Give them a little bit of time, try
to have some patience. And I was happy for Richardson.
I don't have a rooting interest, but I did root
for him to play well. Don't rule out Georgia in
the national title picture with a big win over Tennessee.
You got Oregon with a scare, Ohio State, Texas, Penn State,
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the DP bomb I gave you Kansas over BYU. Thank you,
thank you for the sound sex there. Paully wasn't here
on Friday, so I had to step in and show
him how it's done. Crushed tea bomb. It was a
DP bomb. Notre Dame rolls as well. And then I
think there was a fight on Friday night. It was
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Jake Paul against Mike Tyson. I think it was, but
I watched, at least I tried to watch, and then
I'm watching on my phone and then all of a sudden,
I'm watching on Antonio Brown's stream, Like, I mean, Netflix,
you got to get it together. You got six weeks
before you got football games on Christmas Day. So I'm
watching that and I thought at one point that Jake
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Paul was being respectful to Mike and he could have
hurt him, probably could have knocked him out, and I'm
glad that he didn't. So you can say whatever you
want about Jake Paul. I don't think he's a great boxer.
I don't think he's a good boxer. I think he's
a great marketer. And he held Mike up, and Mike
didn't have any spring in his step. As I've said
many many times, if Mike doesn't get you in the
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first round, he's not going to get you. Jake Paul
is probably a better boxer, well, certainly now, But I
just didn't want Mike embarrassed, that's all. And then when
he said he wanted to fight Jake Paul's brother, I go, no, Mike,
We're not gonna do this again. Sixty million households tuned
in for that, or at least tried to with Netflix.
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The undercard was great, the women awesome, and then all
of a sudden, you're watching and there weren't any real
standout punches, no real flurries or anything like that, and
Mike biting on his gloves during I didn't He says
he has some biting fixation. Oh we know that, Mike.
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But Mike got paid and Jake Paul is gonna take
on somebody else again. Go back to when Jake Paul
fought Nate Robinson, remember the former NBA player. He fought him,
and Nate Robinson's like, okay, can people now get off
my back? That I lost to Jake Paul. And I
guess everybody you know is picking on him. Tyson loses
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to him, and uh, I mean, it's not Murder's row
of who he's defeated. He hadn't beat anybody, but he's
a great marketer, did a wonderful job with this. And
then it's buyer beware. As I said before, you can
hate him. He wants you to hate him, but he
wants you to pay to hate him. And that's what
you had with that fight. But I'm glad that he
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let Mike walk out with some dignity there, because Mike
was spent at the at the end of that boxing
Maunch all right, seton pole. Question, what do we have today? Oh?
Oh wait a minute here, yeah, do we have a
quick NFL game?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Yes, we have a quick NFL breaking news quiz game.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Thing?
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Dan so work shopping it thing. Okay, it's a fill
in the blank. Would you like to play?
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I think we all do. Okay, it's a fill in
the blank. Blank has benched blank in favor of blank
to recap. Okay, blank bench blank in favor of blank
at the quarterback position is the hint.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Okay. Now, I was kind of surprised that this was
sort of breaking news because I thought this had already
happened with his team, right. Weren't we told that this
quarterback was going to be benched for the rest of
the season so he didn't get injured, therefore they'd have
to pick up his contract the following year.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
That was the speculation, but not the actual action. Oh oh, okay,
so you're the right path.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
The Giants have benched Danny Dimes and Tommy de Vito
is going Yes, it's fifteen minutes of fame are extended
Tommy de Vito, Tommy Solami is going to be I
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don't know, Todd, you thought Drew Locke was going to
get the start. I'm seeing where it's Tommy Vito. Tommy
Solami is going to be playing, and Daniel Jones, I guess,
will be the third string quarterback. And this in large
part because they don't want him to play because he
has the injury clause that he'll get paid twenty million dollars.
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What else do you have on this, Paul? Real quick?
This is an organizational tank.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Correct, Yes, And it's almost like respected like we're trying
to get the top five draft pick.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It's over. How would this go over? If you said
that the Lakers were going to bench Anthony Davis. Let's
just use an NBA analogy. You have to believe that
that commissioner would step in and say, hey, for competitive balance,
you must play your best players. Yeah, seton?
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Are you calling Anthony Davis the Daniel Jones of the NBA?
I gotta say that feels like you're going hot take
or something.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, wait, Seaton, I had to go Lakers because that's
how you get clicked. So let's just say the Nuggets
bench Jamal Murray and let's say there was something to
do with his contract. Would Adam Silver step in and
say a healthy scratch? Would he allow that to happen?
Because I don't think Roger Goodell is going to step
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in and say, wait a minute, for competitive balance, you
got to play your best players.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Yes, see what exactly is giving you the impression that
playing Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Puts the competitive balance back in order?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Right? All right?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
The only other time this has happened, Dan, this scenario, I.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Gotta say, I mean, I'm trying to I'm just kind
of poking holes through the argument here a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And it's tough. It's tough with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
In April twenty twenty three, the NBA find the Dallas
Mavericks for conduct detrimental to the league after the team
rested key players that were healthy late in the season.
And Mark Cuban was on our show.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, he admitted that, and it costume seven to fifty
I don't know, seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars for
admitting that they were tanking.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Are the Giants tanking or the Giants just want to
make sure that they don't have to pay Daniel Jones
or both? Yes, Tom, it's a scene's point.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
De Vito's had his moments.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
He's no great quarterback, But the way Daniel Jones has
been playing, you know, maybe they're you know, they want
a tank. But what if Tavita ends up playing better
than they want him to play? In the coming weeks.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I just want to say that was not my point.
By the way, So you think Tommy DeVito maybe the
spark the Giants need, then they can sign him to
a forty million dollars a year contract.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
What if heart's playing too well, You're bringing Drew Locke.
They pull him in the middle of the second quarter
because he threw a couple of touchdownp ins.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
All look at Look who's got all their Bronco gear on. Yeah,
it's it's we when we're back.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Still got a long way to go, got to go
four and to the rest of the way to get
the ten wins.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
They they they do not we do we they we
they wee wee wee they we You.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
On the fence right now by where things are going,
and you.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Guys blew out the Falcons con grad.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
A red place in the division and we got to
go four and two to get the ten wins. Put
charge the Chiefs again.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I watched the Falcons and I go, yeah, that's the
team I picked to win the division. To what is
wrong with them? And then Kirk d. Cousins gets bench
from Michael Pennix Junior. The third I'm like, okay, maybe
a little spark there a little drama. All right, what
other poll questions do you have? Seaton? No counter?
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Let's see why don't we start with our Monday regular
worst loss of the weekend?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Okay, of the weekend? Your Tennessee's like the Bengals. Oh oh?
I thought, well, yeah, that's right. Can be anybody. It
could be anybody. We could start with your Bengals. It
feels like it could be the Bengals every week where
you watch them and you go, what is what's missing
here that I don't know? You can't have this kind
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of season statistically, And before the season started I had
Joe Burrow is my Dark Corse MVP, but they could
have won it. Herbert almost threw a pick six. I mean,
I'm not completely confident with the Chargers with what they did,
but they won the game. Todd, do you have a
worse loss of the weekend? Candidate?
Speaker 7 (12:17):
The worst loss of the weekend, I'm gonna give to
the Marvins forty nine ers.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
I watched that unfold and they had the game.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
They're in San Francisco in a very tight NFC West,
playing a division rival, and to not spy Gino Smith,
I'll have an answer to him just running like that
right into the end zone with twelve seconds left in
the game.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
That was just brutal.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Hey good for Gino Smith. I mean, that's not as
impressive as Josh Allen's run, but man, it's up there.
That's a big clutch performance by him. And the forty
nine ers are in last place now. Granted I think
they're a game and a half out of first place,
but they're in last place right now. And the Rams
taking care of business against the Patriots because I thought
that's one of those tricky games that Drake May and
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the Patriots Rams come and cross Country gonna play at
one o'clock. And Matthew Stafford was awesome.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yes, Pauline, I have a couple worst losses in college football,
like the the BYU loss is really bad for their
chances because they controlled her own destiny, which you cannot do.
The Tennessee loss, they're still in the mix. The LSU
lost to Florida. LSU was in the national title picture
a couple of weeks ago, and now you're in hot
Seatville at six and four after losing to Florida.
Speaker 8 (13:25):
That's ugly.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yeah, yeah, hot seat Ville is not a town you
want to be in.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I've been there, Seaton. Do you have a worst loss
of the weekend? Yeah, well we're gonna split it up
now to NFL and college football questions because we have
enough of those. Okay, okay, well do we go Mike Tyson?
Well no, let's go around the room. Worst loss of
the weekend? Marvin, do you have a Mike Tyson lost
this weekend?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Is that going to be yours?
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
He lost this weekend? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Can well Mike
Tyson in there? Or okay? Sure? Yeah, I'm not surprised.
I said, the best case scenario is that it goes
to the distance and nobody gets knocked out and Mike
maintains his dignity. But I like how people's like, oh
that was a ripoff. What did you think it was
going to be? Like everybody got caught up in And
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once I saw that Drake bet three hundred thousand dollars
on Tyson, I go, oh, poor Mike, he not winning?
Can he go the distance?
Speaker 8 (14:21):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (14:21):
Tom and Shack put a big bet down or he
was going to on Tyson when he was on with us.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Look that's what he said, Yeah, that's what he said.
I don't know what he put down.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, PAULI, I'll throw in the Bears loss as a
bad NFL loss this weekend, not because they are going
to do anything or go on a run or anything
like that, but it would have been a nice day
during an ugly season, and all you needed was like
a forty yard field goal to have the Bears fans
have a nice home win against the Packers, which would
have been like, you know, like ok in Michigan beats
Ohio State or whatever. If you could do that, it
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has a nice week over a pre yucky season.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
There was a package in the Bears game that they
had twelve men on the field and they were offside
and they still gave up the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
They should be allowed twelve men on the FIEW. That's
how things are going with the Bears.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
They were they had twelve men on the field and
they were offside and they still gave up the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I wouldn't feel great if I'm a Packer fan after
that game. I mean, you guys barely held on a
block field goal.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
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Speaker 2 (15:31):
He's a Hall of Famer and a b YU grand
Oh sorry about by us goodwild lasted Steve's fogus.
Speaker 8 (15:41):
I heard you pick Kansas Man. That's just like a
random pick. We played terrible.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
No, But I don't have a bias here. I just
my job fell the journey.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
I just felt it. Yeah, yeah, that's all I test. Sorry,
I test well. Yeah that we were terrible. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, yeah, you're still in the mix. Still the mix.
Speaker 8 (16:04):
It's fun. It's fun to be in fun. It's fun
to get out of independence and get in the mix. Uh, yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
If can you explain the Joe Burrow situation here? Of
twenty seven touchdowns, four interceptions, you said, three games of
over three hundred yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions. Statistically, it's
almost impossible to lose those games. How is it happening?
Speaker 8 (16:29):
It's all the classic stuff, you know, you know the game.
I mean, I don't want to be like the old man,
get off my yard, but I mean the game. Because
of safety, they don't have as much time together. Ota.
A couple of OTA's, you know, a couple of weeks
of no hitting summer camp and let's play some ball.
And that's that's more college you like, right, And so
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the game has been simplified, and so you know, you
have these kings that can do some amazing things, but
there's just just bad defense, penalties, mistakes, classic football stuff
that you can't get over. And the Bengals, mean, they
have a history of that, right, they just seems like
they never put it all together. Now they did obviously
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for the Super Bowl run. But it's hard to think
that you got Joe Burrow playing lights out football and
you can't win everyone. I think what you got to
do is not look at Joe Burrow. You probably have
to look at everyone else, including We don't do a
good job of looking at the owner either in the NFL,
and I think we should do more of that personally,
because I think it speaks to a lot of what's
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happening on the field. Of course, we can't fire the owners,
and you know, the equity owners in the league who
have made half a billion dollars a year for the
last twenty years in equity value. So it's not Look
I'm not saying it's the owner's fault. I'm just saying
when things look really weird. Go to the top and
then work down kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Josh Allen running the football. I mean we've talked about
this that if he were playing now you you'd be
running more. But I I think when he runs I
feel safer for him running than I do. You know
a lot of these quarterback because he's so big, but
the design runs or are they design runs? And how
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does he run maybe differently than other quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Well, he's I you skier, Dan, I mean, skiers understand
how to get to the ground. You know, bad skiers
blow their knees out right. Good skiers get to the ground.
They and they don't. They know how to get to
the ground, and there is a talent to it. There's
a knack. I think it's natural in some people's instincts
and others can learn it. And he just has a
knack of getting to the ground in a safe way.
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That's despite the fact that he could be acrobatic at
it too. And I know I see that in him.
Even when he's jumping over somebody, he's looking to get
to the ground. Strangely, I know it sounds a little weird,
but and I think that they're not They're not they're
putting in the ball, the ball in his hands, out
of the huddle some which is cool. But like the
end of the game yesterday, I mean, that's just him
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winning the football game. But that is football today. That's
he is the prototype, Patrick prototype, Lamar prototype. If you
don't have closer, I've always said the NFL, because of
the rule changes in safety, it's more like the NBA.
You know, it's three and a half quarters of whatever,
and then there's who's who's got a closer? Who's got
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the guys in the NBA that can go close the
last couple of possessions and make it happen and inevitably.
Look at Jordan Love yesterday, look at Gino Smith yesterday,
look at you know, with Josh Allen. I mean games
are being the big games are being won by the
guys that are sophisticated passers. You have to have you
have to be that in the NFL. You have to
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be a sophisticated passer. You can't play without it. But
you also have to be somebody who can be a
closer and go make those games and make it happen.
That's why Patrick Mahomes has done it for forever. And
that's why that was such an epic football game yesterday.
I don't by you. It was fun to watch really
good football both even defensively like innovation. What they were
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doing with protection and what they're doing with blitz is
what they were doing on offense. Both coaches pouring out
everything they have against each other. That was a good
watch yesterday with Bill's Chiefs. I loved it.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Did it change your opinion on who's the team to
beat in the AFC?
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (20:23):
I mean, look, the Super Bowls are gonna be one.
I said three four years ago. The Super Bowls are
gonna be one over the next ten years. Between Joe Burrow,
Josh Allen, and Patrick Mahomes. It's gonna go around in
a circle. Well it hasn't gone around the circle. It's
stuck on one guy. But I still believe the same thing.
Now Lamar Jackson's gonna jump in the middle of it.
He's gonna say, look, you're gonna it's gonna be a Now,
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Joe Burrow can't get enough help to get it done.
So Lamar Jackson's gonna be one of them. So it's
just gonna go. Those are the guys gon win the
Super Bowls, because those are the guys that can go
close in the biggest games. And so yes, you can say,
Josh Allen, the Bills are favorites and have proved it
on the field. And but again it's in some ways
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if they're at home and they get to skip one
of one of the games, like those three guys are
gonna have to play each other. I've always said, the
guy that has to play the other twice doesn't have
a chance. You can't beat each other twice, you can
beat each other once. Uh, And so I think that's
why the Bills are favorites right now.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Steve Young the Hall of Famer joining is so the
Niner is still a Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
Yeah, I want to say yes, obviously getting healthy, but
how healthy can you get Defensively? We're in the we're
in the middle of the pack. Maybe a little bit
of above average offensively in the red zone we used
to yesterday last year, you know the stat that blew
my mind. I don't know if we you and I
have talked about this, but last year, behind the line
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of scrimmage, passes screens quick, you know, all that kind
of jet sweeps. I mean, not just with all this
quick passes behind the line of scrimmage, they averaged they
led the league in yards attempt by throwing behind the
line of scrimmage. Last year, it was an incredible run,
incredible year of things just working, all the talent just amazing.
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And this year, you know, they're not even close to
that red zone, not even close to what they were
last year. So they're not acting like a team that's
gonna threaten. Especially if you talk about the biggest game,
I guess one of the big three, Lamar, Josson, and Patrick.
But they played the Bills in a couple of weeks.
Dan and I think it's worth paying attention to that
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game to see if we can get right.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
What is it like to be on the sidelines when
you're watching a closer on the field and you can
do nothing.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
Well, I think it's awesome, right, I think, But you're.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Watching somebody close at your time.
Speaker 8 (22:47):
I mean, I love you know. Bill wats is the
one that told me, see, if you can become a
sophisticated passer and can run, it's the ultimate weapon. And
that was what nineteen eighty seven. So everyone else was
looking at me like I was a you know, like
an audit oddity like he's left. He will get him
off the field. He's a scramble, he sucks, you know,
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like you know, and in today's game, it is so
it's so fun for me to watch the guys that
have become sophisticated. I mean, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen
are sophisticated passers of the football. You can they can
stand up against anybody who's ever thrown the ball from
the pocket. But they have the ability that had because
the game has come to them and it's more wide open.
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Remember the rule changes, Dan, I don't know if we
talked about. I'm sure we have. The rule changes when
they didn't let defense or defenders launch anymore, it essentially
made the field bigger like a Canadian league field. It
was just more space than those guys are filling it
up with their with their bodies and their legs, which
is pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
How do you.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Do you remember being upset at your kicker, but but
you can't verbalize it, like you have to be careful
with the camera is going to be on the quarterback
if your kicker misses some kick there? How how do
you disguise that.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
Such an odd thing?
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Dan? A kicker.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
When he gets on the bus, you're like, who's that guy.
Oh yeah, he's our kicker. I forgot about him because
they don't practice with you. They don't really do anything.
You know, you break down the you break down the
end of practice. They're not there. Every once in a while,
you do some kicking in front of the whole team,
and everybody's like, if he misses, I'm gonna you know,
you think it is a commodity. And the kickers are
getting so good Dan today that a fifty five year
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old fifty yard field goal is now kind of a commodity.
He's like, oh yeah, they'll make that. So in that way,
the expectations have gone even higher. And when people miss
and when they lose games, there's nothing worse than being
a kicker. I would never do it. They can't get
paid enough to you know, do nothing, warm up, sit
around for three hours, then go out there and say,
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you know, eight eighty thousand people just screaming in your
earball and now you got to drill one from fifty
eight out with a wet field, and you know, it's like,
forget that job. That's like, that's like Olympic gymnastics run
down the runway, split footlo oh you took a step. Sorry,
go home, We'll see you later.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Good luck.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
That was awesome. Ten years of preparation. Sorry about that.
That's that's not a job I want. I want to
be able to throw the ball in a general vicinity
of Jerry Rice and have him just go fix it all.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
That's what I want, Okay, I'm want a yes or
no answer. Are kickers football players?
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Of course, they're football players in fact, in fact the
best ones. Well, look, I will tell you this. Kickers
that will go clean up or there the guys that
will go tackle like you gotta play football. I love quarterbacks,
throw interception, guys running for six, go chase it down
and clean it up. That's that's part of the job.
So yes, they're on the field, they're making big plays.
(25:46):
And the clutch kickers frick that I've just told you
that's amazing. So yeah, but I want kickers to go
clean it up, like if something had block field, go
go clean it up. And I appreciate people that you
put the pads on, you got to make a tack goal,
go chase it down and make it happen.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I don't want my quarterback chasing down somebody because you
threw an interception.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
Dan, I know, I know, you know the fantasy people know,
don't get injured and get careful in your mom all
the moms out there, Oh, don't do anything. Come on, man,
we gotta play the game, bro, and you've got to
clean up your mess. That's just fundamental to quarterbacking. If
I see a quarterback thrown interception and guy's going for
six and he doesn't even try, kind a couple jogs
and then says, oh storry or he could have made
(26:30):
a tackle, but runs out of bounds and trips.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Bro. No, no, you know how many career you know
how many career tackles you had? Tell me you had zero?
You had zero career tackles.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
That's false. I tackled your I flipped Deon Sanders after
you intercept. To me, I chased down. I chased down
some guys and I went I tackled them all those sidelines.
Like damn, bro, he ran you down, like I cunt
some people down.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Well, I know you could do that. I know you
could run people down. I had the official NFL stats
I have.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
You can win. I'm sending you the clip right now.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
It's like I was.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
I was drafted by the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I told you I was, you were, Paulie, What do
you What do you have for me? I have a
couple of things.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
According to Football Reference dot Com, the official stats, you
have no tackles, but I have the video and you
you flipped Deon Sanders over exactly.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
And I'm telling you I made a tackle against the
Bengals at home. I can remember them because I had
to go clean up my mess.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Daniel, Okay, but when Peyton Manning would go into a
fetal position after throwing a pick, you had a problem
with that, Yes, of course I did.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
I look, I want to see the film of that,
because I don't think I don't think Peyton would do that.
I think Peyton, Oh yes he did, Yes, his his
his instinct is. I can't believe that Peyton's instinct does
not go clean it up. Absolutely, he.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Can't understand that.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I look.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
All I want is the intent. Like Tom would throw
a interception. You could see Tom would start and go
I'm going to clean and then he's like, oh, okay,
maybe not, but he would. Was there the intent?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Could you run backwards faster than Peyton Manning? Could run forward.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
I don't know Peyton's they're both they're both sneaky.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
But you know, you could add backwards faster than he
could run for it.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
And I'm not going to get in I'm not going
to get into that one.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Dion could run faster backwards, yes, then yeah, yeah, theon
was faster than everybody.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
In fact, I would not throw it over towards him
sometimes because I couldn't. You know how your eye you
get used to stuff, you get it like it just
it makes sense. It's rational to the human brain. Dion
would move and it wouldn't. It's like you like hyperspace,
like you just Also, he was in a new place.
I'm like, wha wait, wait, my eyeball did not figure
that one out. So I could throne over a little
(28:56):
bit like if I if I can't rationalize about where
his body is and where I can throw it, and
I'm just not gonna touch it. Dude's great, that's great.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yep. He uh one of the great tacklers in NFL history.
Hall of Famers. Steve Young. Great to talk to you,
ste Clean up your mess, Clean up your mess, Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
See buddy, be sure to catch the live edition of
The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six
am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio App.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Is Andrew Marshawn, the athletic senior sports media columnist, and
you can follow him at marsh on sports Media Andrew
Marshaan dot com. Let me start there with Netflix. How
would you rate that performance?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I'd give it a D.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Dan Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
You know, number one thing you have to do is
deliver the product, and the buffering was terrible. People get
knocked off left and right, and it's a worrying sign
for them. They had trouble a couple of years ago
one of their shows and they did a live show
I Love is Blind and then not having it on
(30:04):
and then the broadcast the stream wasn't great. I get it,
this is a kind of a side show event, but
Mike didn't work. You got Jerry Jones kissing the NFL
or Netflix's behide and its mic doesn't work, and just
the overall it just didn't. They kept telling us how
the big a deal it was, and you know a
lot of people, a lot of us watch, but really
(30:25):
it's a sideshow kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
So a D for me, Okay, how does this happen?
Your your Netflix? This is your big rollout, This is
where you say, and we're going to be bringing you
some NFL games. We're gonna bring you wwe. I mean
you can't. You can't slip on the banana peel like this.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Yeah, no, it can't.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Happen, you know. And that's I think when you think
about the NFL, right, we all kind of look at
these things and we say Netflix, Amazon, Apple, Google, YouTube
that they'll be able to do this. These are a
huge company, billion dollar company, truly dollar companies. They're kind
of er for two. I mean you can put to
give them the Brady Roast, which was live less people
(31:06):
watching a little bit different type of event. Uh so
maybe one for three. But so you simply say Netflix, okay,
how can this? I will say this, and I used
to see this when cable companies which start like in
New York and s n Y the Mets Network, and
they turn the switch on. It doesn't work, and you're like,
how is it possible that this isn't working?
Speaker 8 (31:27):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
And it's not something that you know, can it's as
easily replicable as people might think. So uh but yeah,
the NFL is gonna wake up Christmas Day and they're
gonna be a little bit nervous. This is this Kansas
City Steeler game gonna go on? Is the Ravens Texans game.
You're gonna be able to be seen by everybody. They're
(31:50):
take They'll take the money, of course, but uh, Netflix
has some answers that they have to come.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Up with inside the NBA. Going to the mother ship
in ABC. How did this happen?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
So three weeks ago, Jimmy Petaro, the chairman of ESPN,
called Luis silver Wasaser who was the counterpart at T
and T Sports, and he said to them, essentially, you
have a problem that I think I can solve, and
you can solve one of my problems. ESPN's problem has
been that they have not had, you know, a good
enough pre and postgame show around the NBA. They've tried
(32:27):
to for a long time with a million different combinations
to be as good as inside the NBA. They never
could quite do it. They had some good shows over
the years, but never good enough. And so you know,
with the new packages coming along, TNT Sports has finalized
an agreement with the NBA. You know, after they were
(32:47):
suing them, and so what happens the inside the NBA
could be on TNT Sports. But the thing, the little
thing that people don't realize about these shows is that
they're really only as successful as the games they're around.
Right Like ESPN's Race a lot of times with their
pregame show was higher than tn t's ratings, which I
think would surprise people. But the quality of you know,
(33:08):
especially with Barkley, it was on your air all the time.
He's the best ever in my opinion. Ernie Johnson's a
tremendous host, Shack has gotten much better, and Kenny Smith's
a good you know, you can shoot the three when
it gets kicked out to him. In terms of their grouping,
and so it made sense for ESPN to bring them in.
Countdown goes to their as their number two show. TNT
(33:30):
gets about twenty five college basketball and football games from
the Big twelve, kind of lower tier games they need inventory.
So a win, but especially for ESPN.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
But I'm worried about the espanification of this. Does ESPN
try to come in and say, hey, you know what
we're thinking and that usually doesn't go well.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I think that I wrote a column on the athletic
that's up there right now. This is the Jimmy Pataro era.
And if you look at his playbook, Peyton Manning, he
wants Peyton Manning. Hey, Peyton, you can work from home
or your friend's garage on Mondays and make Monday night football.
He wants Joe and Troy for Monday night football. Obviously
money was the big thing there, but they were gonna
(34:15):
get broken up. Troy was kind of on the out
with Fox. They got to stay together. Pataro did that
McAfee's shows you can do it from Indianapolis will license
the show. There's a similar arrangement. I think that's the
Pataro playbook. I mean, if I'm a producer there, I'm
kind of saying, if I'm in Bristol that you know it, well,
you're kind of like, well, what are we doing? Like
(34:36):
we can't get this right or the big Boss keeps
outsourcing our programming. That's not a good sign, especially for
the big shows. But it's not the same Bristol. I've
said this before, I refrained from it from this column,
but Jue Buitar is a huge Yankee fan. He's kind
of the George Steinbrenner of sports media right now. He's
got the most money to play with, or at least
(34:58):
the most money that his company is willing to play with. Obviously,
these tech companies have more money. But and he's going
out and getting what he wants, especially in terms of
the on air people.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
And he guarantees. Given Barkley is sixty one, he's got
a ten year deal that he's only what a couple
of years into of. I mean that's that's a big
chip of how long is Charles going to be there?
How important is he to this deal?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah, I've been told there are stipulations. I don't know
exactly what they are.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
I mean, the other the big one.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Is Shaq is unsigned. He's told people that he wants
to stay. He's on board, but he you know, he
has even more leverage. If an Amazon or NBC says,
you know what, let's kind of put a hole in
this plan for ESPN, they could come and give Shack,
you know, big money, or bigger money than.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
T and T would.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
But I think he does want to stay, and so
and do these other networks as NBC or Amazon want
to build it around Shack. I think they're all very
comfortable there. But look, Barkley's the show. We can talk
about formats, we could talk about all everything. You put
Charles Barkley on any of these shows. If he had
moved over just to countdown Milik Andrews hosting, you have
(36:09):
Steven a whatever, it would be a really good show
because Charles is that good. He's got the credentials and
one of the great players of all time, willing to
say anything at any time. And you know, anybody who
iiling him a little bit, but well enough, but people
who really.
Speaker 9 (36:24):
Don't, well, great guy, just a natural person. And so
I think you add all those things and then Ernie
does a great job. But Ernie does so well Dan,
and I know you appreciate because you're very good at
this as well.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
But those guys say some crazy stuff, right They go
after san Antonio women, they go after this they Ernie
recognizes it right away, doesn't make it obvious that he's like,
I'm gonna take the air out of this issue a
little bit, and makes it so kind of voice of reason,
uh and kind of makes it lowers the temperature. So
answer your question, I think ESPN we've seen it with McAfee,
(36:57):
they're kind of hands off. It's you know, they maybe
could be a little more hands on because I don't
know if McAfee works on linear TV, works on YouTube,
but he But with this show, I really think it
will be the same show. I think they will rip
on ESPN all the time, but good naturedly. And I
think it's fun, like it's it's not as much an
NBA show as it is just a fun. We've been
(37:18):
hanging with these guys for a long time, which is
what you really want. I mean, you look at NFL
Sunday on Fox, similar arrangement.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
If you were going to rank them their importance, if
you did McAfee, if you did steven A, and you
did Barkley, what would be your order.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
I'd still go steven A one at this point because
I think, Look, the thing I like about steven A
is he works hard and he's willing to do anything
for the company. McAfee I think has been very about
McAfee so far in his career, not that he's not
a plus, he's been excellent on College Game Day, really
(37:55):
raised his game this year and save and helps him
because you have that expertise and then you have his
uh enthusiasm and what he brings with the Kicking Show.
He'd be uh, so he's there, but and then you know,
Barkley is new, so it's hard to say. I think
long term, you know, stephen A has talked about his
contract a lot. He's gonna make, you know, something in
(38:18):
the range probably of twenty to twenty five million per year.
And I think when you look at it, and I
think we've talked about this before, Dan, you know, shows
like you have shows that where it's your name on it,
where you're building the audience and you're not around the games.
That's where the value is.
Speaker 10 (38:31):
People might not like it, you know, in terms of
people in my business and like the people who are
kind of building the audience from the ground up because
there's nothing else around it, those are probably the most
valuable people.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
And so uh, they're all really valuable. But I'd probably
go Steven A and then you know, it might it
might be McAfee, but Barkley, Barkley, McAfee probably tied.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I'd say at this point, always great to talk to you.
Is there a big sports media story on the horizon
that we should be aware of?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I mean, there always is. That's why everyone loves to
cover it. Dan, Look, I think Brady's situation is going
to be one to watch. He's gonna do the Super
Bowl this year. You know, does he continue on? I'm
not saying he is in. He does seem enthusiastic on
the air, and I've been told, you know, from many
people that he's working hard but does have the raider
(39:20):
ownership stuff going.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Does he do it?
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I want to done hologram. I don't need the holog
I don't need Tom Brady hollogram. That was creepy and
it was CG. I like, I don't I don't need that.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah, I think it's too much. I agree. I think
it's like technology for technology's sake, and uh yeah, it's
kind of weird. I get why they do it. I
get it, It's just I don't know do we want that?
I think we want natural. I think that's why we
get back to this the NBA. It's natural, right, that's
what you want. You want that natural connection with the audience.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Like are they going to have Whitney Houston in a
hologram saying the national anthem at the Super Bowl? I mean,
how far do we want to go with this.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
The AI is coming. I do think that, you know,
that's something we have to see. I had Jim nance
on my podcast and I mentioned here He said he
wants to do the Masters till seventy five, and I said, well,
there's AI, and he got a little glimmer in his eye.
So I don't know if Jim might be doing the
Master's Fraternity AI.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Great to talk to you as always, Andrew, thank you,
Thanks Dev
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
There is no more undefeated team in the NFL, as
the Bills beat the Chiefs and an incredible performance by
Josh Allen, who has now become the leader in the
clubhouse for MVP this according to DraftKings. Second on the
list is Lamar Jackson. Then it's Jared Goff. If Jared
Goff didn't have that game where he threw four interceptions
(00:26):
was it four or five? Five interceptions, he might be
above Lamar Jackson. But right now it's Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
Jared Goff, Jalen Hurts, and then Patrick Mahomes. But Alan
was wonderful yesterday once again. He's good during the regular
season and you probably had the same reaction. Can you
(00:47):
do it again? Mahomes says to Josh Allen. Let's do
it again later on this season. That means it'll probably
be in Kansas City, and that's what we'll wait for.
Steelers hold off the Ravens. There are let's see, eighteen
games this season where a team didn't score a touchdown.
(01:08):
The Steelers have two of the four wins in those
games where a team didn't score a touchdown, and four
of those teams have won. The Steelers have done it
twice as they hold on to beat the Ravens. This
is always a slugfest. It doesn't matter how good the
team is or how bad the team is. Doesn't mean
if one team is really good and one team isn't,
(01:28):
it's going to come down to normally a field goal
and you had a chance for Lamar Jackson, but the
Steelers hold off the Ravens. Last night, the Chargers over
the Bengals. Chargers look unbelievable in the first half, the
Bengals look unbelievable in the second half. Some bad kicking.
Bad kicking was prevalent throughout the NFL. But Joe Burrow
(01:49):
is putting up incredible numbers and has nothing to show
for it. When you look at the stats and you go,
he's thrown for three hundred yards, He's thrown for three touchdowns,
no interceptions, and he's done that, I think, three times
this year and he's lost all three games. Almost statistically
impossible to throw for three hundred have three touchdowns and
(02:12):
no interceptions, and they lost last night. But when you're
looking at perfection, Jared Goff four hundred yards four touchdowns
another perfect passer rating. Seventh time in league history a
quarterback has thrown for at least four hundred yards with
four more passing touchdowns and a perfect passer rating. Well,
guess who is the only quarterback to have two of those?
(02:33):
Jared Goff who Stall of a.
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I like the Seahawks. I thought they were a playoff team.
That's a big win against the Niners, and I like
what I saw with Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson is younger
than Shador Sanders by a couple of months, and I'm
glad that the Colts went back to him. I'm glad
Carolina went back to Bryce Young. We forget we're kicking
kids to the curb when they're twenty one, twenty two,
(03:29):
twenty three. Give them a little bit of time, try
to have some patience. And I was happy for Richardson.
I don't have a rooting interest, but I did root
for him to play well. Don't rule out Georgia in
the national title picture with a big win over Tennessee.
You got Oregon with a scare, Ohio State, Texas, Penn State,
(03:50):
the DP bomb I gave you Kansas over BYU. Thank you,
thank you for the sound sex there. Paully wasn't here
on Friday, so I had to step in and show
him how it's done. Crushed tea bomb. It was a
DP bomb. Notre Dame rolls as well. And then I
think there was a fight on Friday night. It was
(04:11):
Jake Paul against Mike Tyson. I think it was, but
I watched, at least I tried to watch, and then
I'm watching on my phone and then all of a sudden,
I'm watching on Antonio Brown's stream, Like, I mean, Netflix,
you got to get it together. You got six weeks
before you got football games on Christmas Day. So I'm
watching that and I thought at one point that Jake
(04:35):
Paul was being respectful to Mike and he could have
hurt him, probably could have knocked him out, and I'm
glad that he didn't. So you can say whatever you
want about Jake Paul. I don't think he's a great boxer.
I don't think he's a good boxer. I think he's
a great marketer. And he held Mike up, and Mike
didn't have any spring in his step. As I've said
many many times, if Mike doesn't get you in the
(04:58):
first round, he's not going to get you. Jake Paul
is probably a better boxer, well, certainly now, But I
just didn't want Mike embarrassed, that's all. And then when
he said he wanted to fight Jake Paul's brother, I go, no, Mike,
We're not gonna do this again. Sixty million households tuned
in for that, or at least tried to with Netflix.
(05:20):
The undercard was great, the women awesome, and then all
of a sudden, you're watching and there weren't any real
standout punches, no real flurries or anything like that, and
Mike biting on his gloves during I didn't He says
he has some biting fixation. Oh we know that, Mike.
(05:40):
But Mike got paid and Jake Paul is gonna take
on somebody else again. Go back to when Jake Paul
fought Nate Robinson, remember the former NBA player. He fought him,
and Nate Robinson's like, okay, can people now get off
my back? That I lost to Jake Paul. And I
guess everybody you know is picking on him. Tyson loses
(06:02):
to him, and uh, I mean, it's not Murder's row
of who he's defeated. He hadn't beat anybody, but he's
a great marketer, did a wonderful job with this. And
then it's buyer beware. As I said before, you can
hate him. He wants you to hate him, but he
wants you to pay to hate him. And that's what
you had with that fight. But I'm glad that he
(06:23):
let Mike walk out with some dignity there, because Mike
was spent at the at the end of that boxing
Maunch all right, seton pole. Question, what do we have today? Oh?
Oh wait a minute here, yeah, do we have a
quick NFL game?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Yes, we have a quick NFL breaking news quiz game.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Thing?
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Dan so work shopping it thing. Okay, it's a fill
in the blank. Would you like to play?
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I think we all do. Okay, it's a fill in
the blank. Blank has benched blank in favor of blank
to recap. Okay, blank bench blank in favor of blank
at the quarterback position is the hint.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Okay. Now, I was kind of surprised that this was
sort of breaking news because I thought this had already
happened with his team, right. Weren't we told that this
quarterback was going to be benched for the rest of
the season so he didn't get injured, therefore they'd have
to pick up his contract the following year.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
That was the speculation, but not the actual action. Oh oh, okay,
so you're the right path.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
The Giants have benched Danny Dimes and Tommy de Vito
is going Yes, it's fifteen minutes of fame are extended
Tommy de Vito, Tommy Solami is going to be I
(07:51):
don't know, Todd, you thought Drew Locke was going to
get the start. I'm seeing where it's Tommy Vito. Tommy
Solami is going to be playing, and Daniel Jones, I guess,
will be the third string quarterback. And this in large
part because they don't want him to play because he
has the injury clause that he'll get paid twenty million dollars.
(08:12):
What else do you have on this, Paul? Real quick?
This is an organizational tank.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Correct, Yes, And it's almost like respected like we're trying
to get the top five draft pick.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It's over. How would this go over? If you said
that the Lakers were going to bench Anthony Davis. Let's
just use an NBA analogy. You have to believe that
that commissioner would step in and say, hey, for competitive balance,
you must play your best players. Yeah, seton?
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Are you calling Anthony Davis the Daniel Jones of the NBA?
I gotta say that feels like you're going hot take
or something.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, wait, Seaton, I had to go Lakers because that's
how you get clicked. So let's just say the Nuggets
bench Jamal Murray and let's say there was something to
do with his contract. Would Adam Silver step in and
say a healthy scratch? Would he allow that to happen?
Because I don't think Roger Goodell is going to step
(09:13):
in and say, wait a minute, for competitive balance, you
got to play your best players.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Yes, see what exactly is giving you the impression that
playing Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Puts the competitive balance back in order?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Right? All right?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
The only other time this has happened, Dan, this scenario, I.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Gotta say, I mean, I'm trying to I'm just kind
of poking holes through the argument here a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And it's tough. It's tough with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
In April twenty twenty three, the NBA find the Dallas
Mavericks for conduct detrimental to the league after the team
rested key players that were healthy late in the season.
And Mark Cuban was on our show.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, he admitted that, and it costume seven to fifty
I don't know, seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars for
admitting that they were tanking.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Are the Giants tanking or the Giants just want to
make sure that they don't have to pay Daniel Jones
or both? Yes, Tom, it's a scene's point.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
De Vito's had his moments.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
He's no great quarterback, But the way Daniel Jones has
been playing, you know, maybe they're you know, they want
a tank. But what if Tavita ends up playing better
than they want him to play? In the coming weeks.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I just want to say that was not my point.
By the way, So you think Tommy DeVito maybe the
spark the Giants need, then they can sign him to
a forty million dollars a year contract.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
What if heart's playing too well, You're bringing Drew Locke.
They pull him in the middle of the second quarter
because he threw a couple of touchdownp ins.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
All look at Look who's got all their Bronco gear on. Yeah,
it's it's we when we're back.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Still got a long way to go, got to go
four and to the rest of the way to get
the ten wins.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
They they they do not we do we they we
they wee wee wee they we You.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
On the fence right now by where things are going,
and you.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Guys blew out the Falcons con grad.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
A red place in the division and we got to
go four and two to get the ten wins. Put
charge the Chiefs again.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I watched the Falcons and I go, yeah, that's the
team I picked to win the division. To what is
wrong with them? And then Kirk d. Cousins gets bench
from Michael Pennix Junior. The third I'm like, okay, maybe
a little spark there a little drama. All right, what
other poll questions do you have? Seaton? No counter?
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Let's see why don't we start with our Monday regular
worst loss of the weekend?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Okay, of the weekend? Your Tennessee's like the Bengals. Oh oh?
I thought, well, yeah, that's right. Can be anybody. It
could be anybody. We could start with your Bengals. It
feels like it could be the Bengals every week where
you watch them and you go, what is what's missing
here that I don't know? You can't have this kind
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of season statistically, And before the season started I had
Joe Burrow is my Dark Corse MVP, but they could
have won it. Herbert almost threw a pick six. I mean,
I'm not completely confident with the Chargers with what they did,
but they won the game. Todd, do you have a
worse loss of the weekend? Candidate?
Speaker 7 (12:17):
The worst loss of the weekend, I'm gonna give to
the Marvins forty nine ers.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
I watched that unfold and they had the game.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
They're in San Francisco in a very tight NFC West,
playing a division rival, and to not spy Gino Smith,
I'll have an answer to him just running like that
right into the end zone with twelve seconds left in
the game.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
That was just brutal.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Hey good for Gino Smith. I mean, that's not as
impressive as Josh Allen's run, but man, it's up there.
That's a big clutch performance by him. And the forty
nine ers are in last place now. Granted I think
they're a game and a half out of first place,
but they're in last place right now. And the Rams
taking care of business against the Patriots because I thought
that's one of those tricky games that Drake May and
(12:57):
the Patriots Rams come and cross Country gonna play at
one o'clock. And Matthew Stafford was awesome.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yes, Pauline, I have a couple worst losses in college football,
like the the BYU loss is really bad for their
chances because they controlled her own destiny, which you cannot do.
The Tennessee loss, they're still in the mix. The LSU
lost to Florida. LSU was in the national title picture
a couple of weeks ago, and now you're in hot
Seatville at six and four after losing to Florida.
Speaker 8 (13:25):
That's ugly.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yeah, yeah, hot seat Ville is not a town you
want to be in.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I've been there, Seaton. Do you have a worst loss
of the weekend? Yeah, well we're gonna split it up
now to NFL and college football questions because we have
enough of those. Okay, okay, well do we go Mike Tyson?
Well no, let's go around the room. Worst loss of
the weekend? Marvin, do you have a Mike Tyson lost
this weekend?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Is that going to be yours?
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
He lost this weekend? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Can well Mike
Tyson in there? Or okay? Sure? Yeah, I'm not surprised.
I said, the best case scenario is that it goes
to the distance and nobody gets knocked out and Mike
maintains his dignity. But I like how people's like, oh
that was a ripoff. What did you think it was
going to be? Like everybody got caught up in And
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once I saw that Drake bet three hundred thousand dollars
on Tyson, I go, oh, poor Mike, he not winning?
Can he go the distance?
Speaker 8 (14:21):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (14:21):
Tom and Shack put a big bet down or he
was going to on Tyson when he was on with us.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Look that's what he said, Yeah, that's what he said.
I don't know what he put down.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, PAULI, I'll throw in the Bears loss as a
bad NFL loss this weekend, not because they are going
to do anything or go on a run or anything
like that, but it would have been a nice day
during an ugly season, and all you needed was like
a forty yard field goal to have the Bears fans
have a nice home win against the Packers, which would
have been like, you know, like ok in Michigan beats
Ohio State or whatever. If you could do that, it
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has a nice week over a pre yucky season.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
There was a package in the Bears game that they
had twelve men on the field and they were offside
and they still gave up the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
They should be allowed twelve men on the FIEW. That's
how things are going with the Bears.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
They were they had twelve men on the field and
they were offside and they still gave up the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I wouldn't feel great if I'm a Packer fan after
that game. I mean, you guys barely held on a
block field goal.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
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Speaker 2 (15:31):
He's a Hall of Famer and a b YU grand
Oh sorry about by us goodwild lasted Steve's fogus.
Speaker 8 (15:41):
I heard you pick Kansas Man. That's just like a
random pick. We played terrible.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
No, But I don't have a bias here. I just
my job fell the journey.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
I just felt it. Yeah, yeah, that's all I test. Sorry,
I test well. Yeah that we were terrible. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, yeah, you're still in the mix. Still the mix.
Speaker 8 (16:04):
It's fun. It's fun to be in fun. It's fun
to get out of independence and get in the mix. Uh, yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
If can you explain the Joe Burrow situation here? Of
twenty seven touchdowns, four interceptions, you said, three games of
over three hundred yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions. Statistically, it's
almost impossible to lose those games. How is it happening?
Speaker 8 (16:29):
It's all the classic stuff, you know, you know the game.
I mean, I don't want to be like the old man,
get off my yard, but I mean the game. Because
of safety, they don't have as much time together. Ota.
A couple of OTA's, you know, a couple of weeks
of no hitting summer camp and let's play some ball.
And that's that's more college you like, right, And so
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the game has been simplified, and so you know, you
have these kings that can do some amazing things, but
there's just just bad defense, penalties, mistakes, classic football stuff
that you can't get over. And the Bengals, mean, they
have a history of that, right, they just seems like
they never put it all together. Now they did obviously
(17:10):
for the Super Bowl run. But it's hard to think
that you got Joe Burrow playing lights out football and
you can't win everyone. I think what you got to
do is not look at Joe Burrow. You probably have
to look at everyone else, including We don't do a
good job of looking at the owner either in the NFL,
and I think we should do more of that personally,
because I think it speaks to a lot of what's
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happening on the field. Of course, we can't fire the owners,
and you know, the equity owners in the league who
have made half a billion dollars a year for the
last twenty years in equity value. So it's not Look
I'm not saying it's the owner's fault. I'm just saying
when things look really weird. Go to the top and
then work down kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Josh Allen running the football. I mean we've talked about
this that if he were playing now you you'd be
running more. But I I think when he runs I
feel safer for him running than I do. You know
a lot of these quarterback because he's so big, but
the design runs or are they design runs? And how
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does he run maybe differently than other quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Well, he's I you skier, Dan, I mean, skiers understand
how to get to the ground. You know, bad skiers
blow their knees out right. Good skiers get to the ground.
They and they don't. They know how to get to
the ground, and there is a talent to it. There's
a knack. I think it's natural in some people's instincts
and others can learn it. And he just has a
knack of getting to the ground in a safe way.
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That's despite the fact that he could be acrobatic at
it too. And I know I see that in him.
Even when he's jumping over somebody, he's looking to get
to the ground. Strangely, I know it sounds a little weird,
but and I think that they're not They're not they're
putting in the ball, the ball in his hands, out
of the huddle some which is cool. But like the
end of the game yesterday, I mean, that's just him
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winning the football game. But that is football today. That's
he is the prototype, Patrick prototype, Lamar prototype. If you
don't have closer, I've always said the NFL, because of
the rule changes in safety, it's more like the NBA.
You know, it's three and a half quarters of whatever,
and then there's who's who's got a closer? Who's got
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the guys in the NBA that can go close the
last couple of possessions and make it happen and inevitably.
Look at Jordan Love yesterday, look at Gino Smith yesterday,
look at you know, with Josh Allen. I mean games
are being the big games are being won by the
guys that are sophisticated passers. You have to have you
have to be that in the NFL. You have to
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be a sophisticated passer. You can't play without it. But
you also have to be somebody who can be a
closer and go make those games and make it happen.
That's why Patrick Mahomes has done it for forever. And
that's why that was such an epic football game yesterday.
I don't by you. It was fun to watch really
good football both even defensively like innovation. What they were
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doing with protection and what they're doing with blitz is
what they were doing on offense. Both coaches pouring out
everything they have against each other. That was a good
watch yesterday with Bill's Chiefs. I loved it.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Did it change your opinion on who's the team to
beat in the AFC?
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (20:23):
I mean, look, the Super Bowls are gonna be one.
I said three four years ago. The Super Bowls are
gonna be one over the next ten years. Between Joe Burrow,
Josh Allen, and Patrick Mahomes. It's gonna go around in
a circle. Well it hasn't gone around the circle. It's
stuck on one guy. But I still believe the same thing.
Now Lamar Jackson's gonna jump in the middle of it.
He's gonna say, look, you're gonna it's gonna be a Now,
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Joe Burrow can't get enough help to get it done.
So Lamar Jackson's gonna be one of them. So it's
just gonna go. Those are the guys gon win the
Super Bowls, because those are the guys that can go
close in the biggest games. And so yes, you can say,
Josh Allen, the Bills are favorites and have proved it
on the field. And but again it's in some ways
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if they're at home and they get to skip one
of one of the games, like those three guys are
gonna have to play each other. I've always said, the
guy that has to play the other twice doesn't have
a chance. You can't beat each other twice, you can
beat each other once. Uh, And so I think that's
why the Bills are favorites right now.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Steve Young the Hall of Famer joining is so the
Niner is still a Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
Yeah, I want to say yes, obviously getting healthy, but
how healthy can you get Defensively? We're in the we're
in the middle of the pack. Maybe a little bit
of above average offensively in the red zone we used
to yesterday last year, you know the stat that blew
my mind. I don't know if we you and I
have talked about this, but last year, behind the line
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of scrimmage, passes screens quick, you know, all that kind
of jet sweeps. I mean, not just with all this
quick passes behind the line of scrimmage, they averaged they
led the league in yards attempt by throwing behind the
line of scrimmage. Last year, it was an incredible run,
incredible year of things just working, all the talent just amazing.
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And this year, you know, they're not even close to
that red zone, not even close to what they were
last year. So they're not acting like a team that's
gonna threaten. Especially if you talk about the biggest game,
I guess one of the big three, Lamar, Josson, and Patrick.
But they played the Bills in a couple of weeks.
Dan and I think it's worth paying attention to that
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game to see if we can get right.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
What is it like to be on the sidelines when
you're watching a closer on the field and you can
do nothing.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
Well, I think it's awesome, right, I think, But you're.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Watching somebody close at your time.
Speaker 8 (22:47):
I mean, I love you know. Bill wats is the
one that told me, see, if you can become a
sophisticated passer and can run, it's the ultimate weapon. And
that was what nineteen eighty seven. So everyone else was
looking at me like I was a you know, like
an audit oddity like he's left. He will get him
off the field. He's a scramble, he sucks, you know,
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like you know, and in today's game, it is so
it's so fun for me to watch the guys that
have become sophisticated. I mean, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen
are sophisticated passers of the football. You can they can
stand up against anybody who's ever thrown the ball from
the pocket. But they have the ability that had because
the game has come to them and it's more wide open.
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Remember the rule changes, Dan, I don't know if we
talked about. I'm sure we have. The rule changes when
they didn't let defense or defenders launch anymore, it essentially
made the field bigger like a Canadian league field. It
was just more space than those guys are filling it
up with their with their bodies and their legs, which
is pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
How do you.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Do you remember being upset at your kicker, but but
you can't verbalize it, like you have to be careful
with the camera is going to be on the quarterback
if your kicker misses some kick there? How how do
you disguise that.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
Such an odd thing?
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Dan? A kicker.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
When he gets on the bus, you're like, who's that guy.
Oh yeah, he's our kicker. I forgot about him because
they don't practice with you. They don't really do anything.
You know, you break down the you break down the
end of practice. They're not there. Every once in a while,
you do some kicking in front of the whole team,
and everybody's like, if he misses, I'm gonna you know,
you think it is a commodity. And the kickers are
getting so good Dan today that a fifty five year
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old fifty yard field goal is now kind of a commodity.
He's like, oh yeah, they'll make that. So in that way,
the expectations have gone even higher. And when people miss
and when they lose games, there's nothing worse than being
a kicker. I would never do it. They can't get
paid enough to you know, do nothing, warm up, sit
around for three hours, then go out there and say,
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you know, eight eighty thousand people just screaming in your
earball and now you got to drill one from fifty
eight out with a wet field, and you know, it's like,
forget that job. That's like, that's like Olympic gymnastics run
down the runway, split footlo oh you took a step. Sorry,
go home, We'll see you later.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Good luck.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
That was awesome. Ten years of preparation. Sorry about that.
That's that's not a job I want. I want to
be able to throw the ball in a general vicinity
of Jerry Rice and have him just go fix it all.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
That's what I want, Okay, I'm want a yes or
no answer. Are kickers football players?
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Of course, they're football players in fact, in fact the
best ones. Well, look, I will tell you this. Kickers
that will go clean up or there the guys that
will go tackle like you gotta play football. I love quarterbacks,
throw interception, guys running for six, go chase it down
and clean it up. That's that's part of the job.
So yes, they're on the field, they're making big plays.
(25:46):
And the clutch kickers frick that I've just told you
that's amazing. So yeah, but I want kickers to go
clean it up, like if something had block field, go
go clean it up. And I appreciate people that you
put the pads on, you got to make a tack goal,
go chase it down and make it happen.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I don't want my quarterback chasing down somebody because you
threw an interception.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
Dan, I know, I know, you know the fantasy people know,
don't get injured and get careful in your mom all
the moms out there, Oh, don't do anything. Come on, man,
we gotta play the game, bro, and you've got to
clean up your mess. That's just fundamental to quarterbacking. If
I see a quarterback thrown interception and guy's going for
six and he doesn't even try, kind a couple jogs
and then says, oh storry or he could have made
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a tackle, but runs out of bounds and trips.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Bro. No, no, you know how many career you know
how many career tackles you had? Tell me you had zero?
You had zero career tackles.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
That's false. I tackled your I flipped Deon Sanders after
you intercept. To me, I chased down. I chased down
some guys and I went I tackled them all those sidelines.
Like damn, bro, he ran you down, like I cunt
some people down.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Well, I know you could do that. I know you
could run people down. I had the official NFL stats
I have.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
You can win. I'm sending you the clip right now.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
It's like I was.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
I was drafted by the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I told you I was, you were, Paulie, What do
you What do you have for me? I have a
couple of things.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
According to Football Reference dot Com, the official stats, you
have no tackles, but I have the video and you
you flipped Deon Sanders over exactly.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
And I'm telling you I made a tackle against the
Bengals at home. I can remember them because I had
to go clean up my mess.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Daniel, Okay, but when Peyton Manning would go into a
fetal position after throwing a pick, you had a problem
with that, Yes, of course I did.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
I look, I want to see the film of that,
because I don't think I don't think Peyton would do that.
I think Peyton, Oh yes he did, Yes, his his
his instinct is. I can't believe that Peyton's instinct does
not go clean it up. Absolutely, he.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Can't understand that.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I look.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
All I want is the intent. Like Tom would throw
a interception. You could see Tom would start and go
I'm going to clean and then he's like, oh, okay,
maybe not, but he would. Was there the intent?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Could you run backwards faster than Peyton Manning? Could run forward.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
I don't know Peyton's they're both they're both sneaky.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
But you know, you could add backwards faster than he
could run for it.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
And I'm not going to get in I'm not going
to get into that one.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Dion could run faster backwards, yes, then yeah, yeah, theon
was faster than everybody.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
In fact, I would not throw it over towards him
sometimes because I couldn't. You know how your eye you
get used to stuff, you get it like it just
it makes sense. It's rational to the human brain. Dion
would move and it wouldn't. It's like you like hyperspace,
like you just Also, he was in a new place.
I'm like, wha wait, wait, my eyeball did not figure
that one out. So I could throne over a little
(28:56):
bit like if I if I can't rationalize about where
his body is and where I can throw it, and
I'm just not gonna touch it. Dude's great, that's great.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yep. He uh one of the great tacklers in NFL history.
Hall of Famers. Steve Young. Great to talk to you,
ste Clean up your mess, Clean up your mess, Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
See buddy, be sure to catch the live edition of
The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six
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Speaker 2 (29:27):
Is Andrew Marshawn, the athletic senior sports media columnist, and
you can follow him at marsh on sports Media Andrew
Marshaan dot com. Let me start there with Netflix. How
would you rate that performance?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I'd give it a D.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Dan Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
You know, number one thing you have to do is
deliver the product, and the buffering was terrible. People get
knocked off left and right, and it's a worrying sign
for them. They had trouble a couple of years ago
one of their shows and they did a live show
I Love is Blind and then not having it on
(30:04):
and then the broadcast the stream wasn't great. I get it,
this is a kind of a side show event, but
Mike didn't work. You got Jerry Jones kissing the NFL
or Netflix's behide and its mic doesn't work, and just
the overall it just didn't. They kept telling us how
the big a deal it was, and you know a
lot of people, a lot of us watch, but really
(30:25):
it's a sideshow kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
So a D for me, Okay, how does this happen?
Your your Netflix? This is your big rollout, This is
where you say, and we're going to be bringing you
some NFL games. We're gonna bring you wwe. I mean
you can't. You can't slip on the banana peel like this.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Yeah, no, it can't.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Happen, you know. And that's I think when you think
about the NFL, right, we all kind of look at
these things and we say Netflix, Amazon, Apple, Google, YouTube
that they'll be able to do this. These are a
huge company, billion dollar company, truly dollar companies. They're kind
of er for two. I mean you can put to
give them the Brady Roast, which was live less people
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watching a little bit different type of event. Uh so
maybe one for three. But so you simply say Netflix, okay,
how can this? I will say this, and I used
to see this when cable companies which start like in
New York and s n Y the Mets Network, and
they turn the switch on. It doesn't work, and you're like,
how is it possible that this isn't working?
Speaker 8 (31:27):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
And it's not something that you know, can it's as
easily replicable as people might think. So uh but yeah,
the NFL is gonna wake up Christmas Day and they're
gonna be a little bit nervous. This is this Kansas
City Steeler game gonna go on? Is the Ravens Texans game.
You're gonna be able to be seen by everybody. They're
(31:50):
take They'll take the money, of course, but uh, Netflix
has some answers that they have to come.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Up with inside the NBA. Going to the mother ship
in ABC. How did this happen?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
So three weeks ago, Jimmy Petaro, the chairman of ESPN,
called Luis silver Wasaser who was the counterpart at T
and T Sports, and he said to them, essentially, you
have a problem that I think I can solve, and
you can solve one of my problems. ESPN's problem has
been that they have not had, you know, a good
enough pre and postgame show around the NBA. They've tried
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to for a long time with a million different combinations
to be as good as inside the NBA. They never
could quite do it. They had some good shows over
the years, but never good enough. And so you know,
with the new packages coming along, TNT Sports has finalized
an agreement with the NBA. You know, after they were
(32:47):
suing them, and so what happens the inside the NBA
could be on TNT Sports. But the thing, the little
thing that people don't realize about these shows is that
they're really only as successful as the games they're around.
Right Like ESPN's Race a lot of times with their
pregame show was higher than tn t's ratings, which I
think would surprise people. But the quality of you know,
(33:08):
especially with Barkley, it was on your air all the time.
He's the best ever in my opinion. Ernie Johnson's a
tremendous host, Shack has gotten much better, and Kenny Smith's
a good you know, you can shoot the three when
it gets kicked out to him. In terms of their grouping,
and so it made sense for ESPN to bring them in.
Countdown goes to their as their number two show. TNT
(33:30):
gets about twenty five college basketball and football games from
the Big twelve, kind of lower tier games they need inventory.
So a win, but especially for ESPN.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
But I'm worried about the espanification of this. Does ESPN
try to come in and say, hey, you know what
we're thinking and that usually doesn't go well.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I think that I wrote a column on the athletic
that's up there right now. This is the Jimmy Pataro era.
And if you look at his playbook, Peyton Manning, he
wants Peyton Manning. Hey, Peyton, you can work from home
or your friend's garage on Mondays and make Monday night football.
He wants Joe and Troy for Monday night football. Obviously
money was the big thing there, but they were gonna
(34:15):
get broken up. Troy was kind of on the out
with Fox. They got to stay together. Pataro did that
McAfee's shows you can do it from Indianapolis will license
the show. There's a similar arrangement. I think that's the
Pataro playbook. I mean, if I'm a producer there, I'm
kind of saying, if I'm in Bristol that you know it, well,
you're kind of like, well, what are we doing? Like
(34:36):
we can't get this right or the big Boss keeps
outsourcing our programming. That's not a good sign, especially for
the big shows. But it's not the same Bristol. I've
said this before, I refrained from it from this column,
but Jue Buitar is a huge Yankee fan. He's kind
of the George Steinbrenner of sports media right now. He's
got the most money to play with, or at least
(34:58):
the most money that his company is willing to play with. Obviously,
these tech companies have more money. But and he's going
out and getting what he wants, especially in terms of
the on air people.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
And he guarantees. Given Barkley is sixty one, he's got
a ten year deal that he's only what a couple
of years into of. I mean that's that's a big
chip of how long is Charles going to be there?
How important is he to this deal?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah, I've been told there are stipulations. I don't know
exactly what they are.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
I mean, the other the big one.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Is Shaq is unsigned. He's told people that he wants
to stay. He's on board, but he you know, he
has even more leverage. If an Amazon or NBC says,
you know what, let's kind of put a hole in
this plan for ESPN, they could come and give Shack,
you know, big money, or bigger money than.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
T and T would.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
But I think he does want to stay, and so
and do these other networks as NBC or Amazon want
to build it around Shack. I think they're all very
comfortable there. But look, Barkley's the show. We can talk
about formats, we could talk about all everything. You put
Charles Barkley on any of these shows. If he had
moved over just to countdown Milik Andrews hosting, you have
(36:09):
Steven a whatever, it would be a really good show
because Charles is that good. He's got the credentials and
one of the great players of all time, willing to
say anything at any time. And you know, anybody who
iiling him a little bit, but well enough, but people
who really.
Speaker 9 (36:24):
Don't, well, great guy, just a natural person. And so
I think you add all those things and then Ernie
does a great job. But Ernie does so well Dan,
and I know you appreciate because you're very good at
this as well.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
But those guys say some crazy stuff, right They go
after san Antonio women, they go after this they Ernie
recognizes it right away, doesn't make it obvious that he's like,
I'm gonna take the air out of this issue a
little bit, and makes it so kind of voice of reason,
uh and kind of makes it lowers the temperature. So
answer your question, I think ESPN we've seen it with McAfee,
(36:57):
they're kind of hands off. It's you know, they maybe
could be a little more hands on because I don't
know if McAfee works on linear TV, works on YouTube,
but he But with this show, I really think it
will be the same show. I think they will rip
on ESPN all the time, but good naturedly. And I
think it's fun, like it's it's not as much an
NBA show as it is just a fun. We've been
(37:18):
hanging with these guys for a long time, which is
what you really want. I mean, you look at NFL
Sunday on Fox, similar arrangement.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
If you were going to rank them their importance, if
you did McAfee, if you did steven A, and you
did Barkley, what would be your order.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
I'd still go steven A one at this point because
I think, Look, the thing I like about steven A
is he works hard and he's willing to do anything
for the company. McAfee I think has been very about
McAfee so far in his career, not that he's not
a plus, he's been excellent on College Game Day, really
(37:55):
raised his game this year and save and helps him
because you have that expertise and then you have his
uh enthusiasm and what he brings with the Kicking Show.
He'd be uh, so he's there, but and then you know,
Barkley is new, so it's hard to say. I think
long term, you know, stephen A has talked about his
contract a lot. He's gonna make, you know, something in
(38:18):
the range probably of twenty to twenty five million per year.
And I think when you look at it, and I
think we've talked about this before, Dan, you know, shows
like you have shows that where it's your name on it,
where you're building the audience and you're not around the games.
That's where the value is.
Speaker 10 (38:31):
People might not like it, you know, in terms of
people in my business and like the people who are
kind of building the audience from the ground up because
there's nothing else around it, those are probably the most
valuable people.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
And so uh, they're all really valuable. But I'd probably
go Steven A and then you know, it might it
might be McAfee, but Barkley, Barkley, McAfee probably tied.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I'd say at this point, always great to talk to you.
Is there a big sports media story on the horizon
that we should be aware of?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I mean, there always is. That's why everyone loves to
cover it. Dan, Look, I think Brady's situation is going
to be one to watch. He's gonna do the Super
Bowl this year. You know, does he continue on? I'm
not saying he is in. He does seem enthusiastic on
the air, and I've been told, you know, from many
people that he's working hard but does have the raider
(39:20):
ownership stuff going.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Does he do it?
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I want to done hologram. I don't need the holog
I don't need Tom Brady hollogram. That was creepy and
it was CG. I like, I don't I don't need that.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah, I think it's too much. I agree. I think
it's like technology for technology's sake, and uh yeah, it's
kind of weird. I get why they do it. I
get it, It's just I don't know do we want that?
I think we want natural. I think that's why we
get back to this the NBA. It's natural, right, that's
what you want. You want that natural connection with the audience.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Like are they going to have Whitney Houston in a
hologram saying the national anthem at the Super Bowl? I mean,
how far do we want to go with this.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
The AI is coming. I do think that, you know,
that's something we have to see. I had Jim nance
on my podcast and I mentioned here He said he
wants to do the Masters till seventy five, and I said, well,
there's AI, and he got a little glimmer in his eye.
So I don't know if Jim might be doing the
Master's Fraternity AI.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Great to talk to you as always, Andrew, thank you,
Thanks Dev
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