November 21, 2024 • 40 mins
Dan speaks on UConn Women's basketball coach Geno Auriemma becoming the all-time winningest coach in college basketball history. Dan also talks about the 2025 NFL Hall of Fame contenders and how he thinks Eli Manning is not a first ballot hall of famer.
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coming up tonight. Big milestone for Gino Orient setting the
collegiate win total at one thy two hundred and seventeen.
We have our Cy Young Award winners. We'll run down
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all of that plus get ready for the big debate. Oh,
it's coming, and it's going to be there for a
little while. Is Eli manning a first ballot Hall of Fame?
He's a semi finalist. They're twenty five semi finalist. So
we'll talk about who is getting in, who should get in,
(01:32):
and who's going to be kicked to the curb once again.
That'll be coming up a little bit. All right, good morning.
If you're watching on Peacock, that's our streaming partner. Thank
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over four hundred affiliates around the country. I was a
real man yesterday. I'm in Maine. So what did I
(01:54):
do yesterday afternoon? How about you, guys? Guess what a
real man does in May in the afternoon. Temperatures probably
in the upper forties. It was overcast, and I was
a man.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yes, Paul, it's November, it's getting chilly. You were chopping
some wood.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
No, no, all the wood is chopped. Todd, what do
you think I did yesterday being a man?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I think you were out in the cold fishing and
then you cooked up something to eat off of that fishing.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, look, who knows what a real man is all about?
Blop bloop. Yes, I was fly fishing yesterday, fly fishing
for salmon and trout, and I'm still fishing for I
didn't catch, but I was fishing yesterday, but I felt
like a man out there.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Now you hold for compliments, Wow, look what you did?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
All right?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Less than four minutes in I had the over, But congratulations.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Was a little bit of like a brad pit river
run through it feel and the wind in your hair,
the waiters, you know, did you feel good out there?
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I mean you felt like a man kind of, except
for catching fish and looking good while trying to catch fish.
I was kind of like Brad Pitt.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
Yeah, Seeton, I think you're just getting towards the end
of bear hunting season in Maine. I think that ends
at the end of November, so you still got a
couple of days left if you want to keep owing
your manhood.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
And we're starting bear at tax season. Yeah, bear tax
season No. Twelfth, that's right.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That's right. Okay, here's the I didn't realize this, but
I go to this park. It's woods, it's a you know,
some kind of big area that you can go hiking.
And somebody said, hey, you don't have orange on. You
better get some orange on, and I go, I'm just
walking through that. I mean, this is where families go
and you bring your dog. And then they go, well, no, no, no,
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there are people who are hunting in this area for bear, whatever, deer, deer,
And I said, wait a minute, so they could mistake
me for He said, yes, you know I was wearing brown.
I'm wearing a brown hoodie, and I'm thinking they see me,
you know kind.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Of brownhood what do you have an antler hat on?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I might as well leaving hook Prince. I mean, I
was going, oh my god. I thought he was joking.
I thought their families walking through, and you know, they
had somebody with a dog. And then I'm going, wait,
there's people hunting in here. Says yeah, with bows, crossbows,
and they can hit things from one hundred yards out.
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So the whole time I'm walking, I'm going, oh my god,
do I make noise? Like I don't know how you
walk to make it look like you're not a deer
to somebody one hundred yards away. But that's the kind
of manly things I was doing. And then came home,
build a fire outside, had some keeper's heart, had a cigar,
and I was all alone, just me, the moon and
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the stars. Yes, tot.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Is it a certain shade of orange? Tennessee, Syracuse? Something else?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Go annoy?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
What kind of orange you have to get her?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Avoid? I think I should get Tennessee. I need the
brightest orange possible. Checkerboard that just basic, Yeah, just something
that says, don't shoot me. But hey, I'm learning. I'm
learning on the job here in May. All right, poll question, Seaton,
what are we gonna go with an hour one on
this program?
Speaker 6 (05:19):
I got many options for you. Do you want a
Paul question or a Todd question.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I'm gonna go Todd because he came out of the
gate strong, and let's see if we can keep the
momentum going.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
To do That's a Thursday if I'm not mistaken. So
he's got lindsay he likes a Thursday.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Poll question. Let's see.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Uh, will tonight's divisional quote trap game result in a
loss for the Steelers in Cleveland. Your options are yes,
Pittsburgh slips up tonight versus the Browns, or no, the
steel curtain closes on the dog pound tonight.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Okay, it could have been just yes or no, but
I do that's not fun script. Yes, okay? Is it
a trap game if everybody knows it's a trap game?
If I say to the Steelers, hey, it's a trap
game for the Browns, Hey, they know it's a trap game,
is it still a trap game if they're overlooking the
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Cleveland Browns? Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Paul Mike Tomlin was actually asked if this were a
trap game, and he said, no, I'm aware of those.
I've been doing this a while. So that was on Tuesday.
It can't be a trap game if the coach addresses
it on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Right, Okay, all right? What else do you have time?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
We've got the now two and twelve Sixers will be
just fine, relaxed the long season, ultimately make the postseason,
but it's a first round exit for them, not make
the playoffs altogether. Already calling it fourteen games in what?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Wow? Fourteen games? Will not your leader if your leader
is what twenty three years of age? Tyrese Maxi calling
out Joel and b Paul, Joey or is injured again,
embiid as late for team activities. This doesn't bode well.
He's not playing back to back games, and then one
of your youngest players, your best player right now, is
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calling out joe llenb What could go wrong that hasn't
already gone wrong? Feels like this is not playoff bound
for Philadelphia? What else do you have?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
How will Lebron James taking a break from social media
affect your daily life? The choices are actually a lot
more than you may realize, and I'd like to hear
the answer to that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
But I'm confident I can work around it, So that's nice.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
You can figure out a way around it, or surprisingly,
my roles and responsibilities at home and work should remain
relatively unchanged.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, I don't think it's going to affect me on
a daily basis, but let's see. I mean it's early.
He just decided that he was going to take a
break from social media. Now I don't know what that means.
How do you take a break from social media? Do
you get rid of all of your social media threads?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
There?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Or how people can respond to you? I'm not a
social media person. Yes, Paul, I had two thoughts when
I saw this story. I just air quoted.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
By the way, why do you announce you're taking a
break from social media? Because if you're taking a break
from social media is to get less interaction and attention.
You could do that by just taking a break from
social media. However, I'm gonna call my shot here. Lebron
James is about to announce a new partnership with some
type of social media platform in the next two months.
My guess is Lebron is a gigantic businessman. We'll take
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a break from different platforms that he's on and before
Christmas will say I am now with blank whatever. The
new hot one is that he owns ten percent.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
All right, Okay, I don't know what it means to
take a break from social media, and you're right, if
you're taking a break, do you announce you're taking a
break from social media? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (08:52):
See, I think taking a break from social media is
exactly like how you've lived your life right up until
this point.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
There's really no different than that. Okay, it's just I've
taken a break from social media for well all my life.
It's exactly right. That's exactly the point.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
So it's like, oh, you just don't go on it anymore,
and then it's like it's not there. Okay, took a break.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I'd like to announce that I'm going to join social
media now if Lebron is not going to be part
of stuff, build a void, bell the void. People just
assume you have Facebook, Like they'll just go, well, you
got Facebook, right, and I'll go, No, how old are you?
I'll go, I guess old enough to know I don't
need Facebook. You have instacute. You have the gram, don't you?
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I go, no, why do I need that? The Gram? No?
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Are those all the ones you have? Todd?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
There was just one other one which Marvin may not appreciate,
but we're gonna roll with it. Gino Oriema becoming the
winniest coach in NCAA history is and your choices are
as followers. Wow, absolutely incredible, pretty impressive, certainly an accomplishment.
Proof if you stick around long enough, you can compile
big stats.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
What is that about?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
That's not cool?
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Honor the guy?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
But something wrote that doesn't mean I feel that you
wrote it. I wrote that, but doesn't mean I would
pick that up. You offering it to people that are
down on you, and it's basketball. They don't think that
what he did, with what he's doing is that big
a deal. That's an option. If you don't want to
go with amazing, incredible or an accomplishment.
Speaker 8 (10:49):
That's not how I feel.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I would go Wow, absolutely incredible.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Actually I probably go pretty, but I probably go ali.
But you thought about that. You put that there as
an option, so you did think about it.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I think some people will vote for that. That's why
I put it there. I thought of all the different options,
and there are people of wise guys at this narky
that'll be like, yeah, okay, whatever. Anyway, moving on.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
It's a big deal. It's a big deal. It's consistency,
it's you know, creating a program. He created a program,
the number of players, number of players in the WNBA.
He's one of the great coaches of all time, doesn't
matter men's, women's, other sports. He's one of the great
coaches of all time and should be recognized as such.
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And he'll hold this record for a long, long, long time.
I don't think you'll see coaches who will last this long.
I think Kim Mulki, who is now at LSU, she's
close to five hundred wins behind him. If she coached
ten more years in one forty games each year, she'd
still be behind Gino Oriema. So he will be he'll
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hold this record for a long long time. I think
it got lost in the shuffle of headlines because he
wasn't passing coach k He was passing Tera van Derveer,
who was a longtime coach at Stanford. And I think
that's probably why it kind of slipped by people. Because
I was watching Sports Center last night and all of
a sudden, they're like Gino could set the record. They're
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playing Fairley Dickinson. So I checked the point spread. I
think they were favored by forty five and a half.
Who can you check it? Because I think they won
by forty five. I think they were favored by forty
five and a half, maybe forty six, but I think
they won by forty five points. Did you have a
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couple bucks on this one?
Speaker 9 (12:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, I got forty five and a half. Does that
means fairly Dickinson covered?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yes, that's what's incredible. Yes, yes, yes, Todd.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I'm looking at a final of eighty five forty one.
My matho was sug just a forty four point victory.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
For ucuck Oh okay, well, then Fairfield or Fairley. Dickinson
they covered, They covered? Isn't that amazing? The game like
this and you're saying, all right, how many are they
going to win? They're gonna win, but by how many?
I don't know. We're gonna put it over under forty
five and you're like, okay, well I'm definitely taking the over, Yes, Paul, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Forty seasons for y Emma, he averaged thirty wins a season.
It meant like an off year was twenty seven wins.
And he's still going like he's going to put the
record out there. Remember about when we started doing the show,
maybe fifteen seventeen years ago. There is discussion would he
leave to take a men's job? He said why he
remember he shook it off often.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Oh yeah, yeah. I think because we look at that
and say, well, that's how you show your success. Oh
you're a good coach with the women. Well, Pat Summit
could have coached anybody, any team. I mean, she was
that great a coach. There's certain coaches, and he has
a comfort level there. He is the king of Connecticut
and he's done a wonderful job there. And I don't
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think I think there's part of him because when you
talk to him, he's got that attitude that you know
he'll give it back to you. He's like Cali Perry,
He's not afraid to give it back to you. And
I think his whole point was I don't need to
prove myself. I think part of you thinks you have to,
or others think you have to. He's like, no, I
don't need to. I mean it's like Danny Hurley, you
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want to go to the Lakers, I don't know, or
do you want to stay at Connecticut? And I said
I would stay at Connecticut, stay there for a little while.
Do something that people haven't done. Three peete here and
then if you want to do it, great, the money's
going to be there. But I great credit for Gina,
love the personality, how his women respond to him. Great
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team and when you consider great coaches college basketball coaches
of all time, Gino is in that conversation. All right,
we'll take a break. We're going to not from social media.
Just take a break, go to commercial break. But we'll
come back. We'll settle on our poll question and we
will talk about the topic. My take over the show
is Eli Manning a first ballot home of We'll have
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that for you. Coming up next, Dan Patrick's show.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
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Speaker 2 (15:14):
I've got the Steelers favored by three and a half
against the Browns. Mike Tomlin has coached nineteen games Thursday Night.
That's tied with Andy Reid for the most of any
active coach, and he is nine to ten on Thursday Nights,
so his winning percentage is third lowest of any coach
to have coached ten or more Thursday Night games since
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two thousand, Ron Rivera, Sean Payton, and then it's Mike Tomlin.
It's a big game for them. Every game is a
big game for them, trying to get a little more
distance between them and the Ravens. And you're facing the
Cleveland Browns. This is one of those weird moments. You're
not quite sure what you're going to get from the
Cleveland Browns. You kind of know what you're getting from
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the Pittsburgh Steelers, but this is a person excep win
with the Pittsburgh Steelers. If they do win, we're going
to go, well, how did Russ play? That's where we start.
And if for us happens to have one of those
really good games. He hasn't had a great game yet,
but if he has a good game, then I think
people probably in Pittsburgh will go Okay, all right, maybe
we're good. You know what you're going to have For
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the most part when you play them, game is going
to be mucked up. It's going to be ugly, but
you got a great Hall of Fame coach, really good defense,
don't make mistakes, and if you have home field advantage,
they're going to be dangerous in the playoffs. That's a
lot of things to play out over the next couple
of weeks. But tonight is a perception game, I think
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for the Steelers. If you win, how do you win?
Only favored by three and a half. And this is
where Jameis Winston throws for three hundred yards. Now, I'm
not saying that he's going to throw three hundred yards
and three touchdowns and no interceptions, but this is one
of those It'll be well, Jameis Winston can still sling it.
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And I thought, well, let me check the over underpassing
yards for jam I just have a weird feeling about
Jamis Winston tonight. Let me see, do we have over
underpassing yards for Jameis Winston? I thought I had Let
me see what I aint af here. Okay, Jamis Winston
is averaging two hundred and seventy yards per game, seventh
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most all time by any quarterback with at least eighty
games played, So he can do it. It's just you
never know what he's going to do it, and he
has a tendency to give and take it away from
his own team.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yes, Paul, Jamis Winston about five years ago, had one
of the greatest, weirdest seasons in NFL history. He was
seven to nine as the Buck starter. His last year there,
he threw for fifty one hundred yards, led the league
in passing yardage. He threw for thirty three touchdowns, but
he also led the league with thirty interceptions. It's like
it's like he had everything.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
He threw it to. You th retain. He's not given credit,
not given credit for being a thirty thirty guy. You know,
we talk about baseball players like Jamis's part of the
thirty thirty club. It's just a different kind of club,
all right. Twenty five modern era players were named as
semi finals for the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class
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of twenty twenty five. Between four and eight will be
selected from the list. Now you have Eli Manning's there,
Luke Keikley's there, Like you have some new additions on here,
Adam bin Terry, Jared Allen, Terrell Suggs or Old Thomas
Steve Smith. You know, there's a really really good list.
And when you look at these lists, you're like, well,
he's a Hall of Famer, and he's a Hall of Famer.
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That's true. Everybody on the list is probably a Hall
of Famer. But who is going to be a first
ballot Hall of Famer. That's where it gets a little trickier.
And let me start with Eli Manning, because I don't
think he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. He's going
to get into the Hall of Fame. And now once
again we love Eli, he's been on the show. My
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job is not to like you. My job is to
cover you. Eli Manning had two great years. He didn't
win any other playoff games, but in those two years
he won Super Bowls. He beat the Patriots, including the
undefeated Patriots. That's a great postseason having that on your resume.
But his numbers, they're okay during the regular season, and
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the only category he led the league in three times interceptions.
You have the Manning name. Peyton was the first ballot
Hall of Fame. There have been sixteen quarterbacks first ballot
Hall of Famers, Peyton, Manning, Brett Favre, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon,
Steve Young, Dan Marino, John Elway, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts,
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Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, George Blanda, who was also a kicker,
Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, and Bobby Lane. Eli is not
in that category. He's not, He's not. He can be
a Hall of Fame. Once again, this goes back to
what Dion talked about, and that is you can have
the penthouse, you can have the second floor, first floor.
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I don't want to have a basement in the Hall
of Fame. But if you have first floor, second floor,
third floor, penthouse, or however you want to do it,
or you want to give first ballot Hall of famers
a different shade of jacket gold, I'm fine with that
because they are different first ballot Hall of Famers. But
I think there have been ninety two total first ballot
Hall of Famers, including sixteen quarterbacks. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
I feel like the first floor of the Hall of
Fame should be the most valuable one. Oh, even though
it's the lowest, it's the one that you walk into.
So like, if you're walking into the Hall of Fame
and you're on the first floor and you're like, dang,
these dudes are Hall of Famers really?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Okay, Well I best we better climb all the way
to the top to see they're really good guys. Well,
that's why you have the penthouse and it costs more.
Were you gonna work a little bit to get up there,
but when you get up there, you love the view? Yeah,
see yeah, pony Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Going back to Eli Manning, like you said, when you
mention those names, you throughout these names, he doesn't fit
with those names. In the regular season, he's one seventeen
and one seventeen as a starter, five hundred. He was
a sixty percent passer for his career tons of yards
fifty seven thousand yards, three hundred and sixty six touchdowns,
but two hundred and forty four interceptions. He made four
Pro Bowls, two of them as an alternate. Was never
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an All Pro or second team All Pro.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, and once again we bring this up and no
is an elite quarterback. Note did he have two years,
two postseasons where he was elite? Absolutely? And he made
big plays. Absolutely, But if you're going to be honest
about the Hall of Fame, he's not a first Hall
of Famer. Peyton certainly was the other names that I mentioned.
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Now you might look at bart Starr's numbers and go, really, well,
what he did for that team, the Bay Packers. They
ran the ball, they played great defense, and then He
had good postseasons, certainly against Kansas City, you know, big
bad Chiefs. They were thinking they were going to take
down the Green Bay Packers in the first Super Bowl.
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Then they faced the Raiders second Super Bowl. He's in,
but the numbers like Dan Foutce to me, is not
a first ballot Hall of Famer who loved the offense,
loved what Airic Coriel did. Dan didn't do anything in
the postseason. He had his moment against the Bengals in Cincinnati,
the coldest football game ever played. They lost that game
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or they would have gone to the Super Bowl. And
we've had Dan on. It's I can say, hey, I
like somebody, but I have to be honest about it.
And there it's not as it's not men as a slight.
You'll come off as a slight. Oh, Dan Patrick doesn't
think Eli's the first ballot Hall of Famer. I would
say it to Eli if he asked me the question,
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but I'm not going to have him on to say,
you know, Eli, you're not a first batle of Hall
of Famer. But I'll go back to what happened when
I'm sitting at a dinner with Mark Jackson and Patrick
Ewing and John Berry and Mark Jackson said, Hey, tell Patrick,
who would you take a keem Eli Jawan or Patrick Ewing?
And I said to Patrick Ewing, I would take a
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keem Olaijaan. I wouldn't have said that to him, but
Mark knows that I loved to keem Elijaha and thought
he was a better center than Patrick Ewing. But I
don't go out of my way. I don't want a
hot take on this other than let me assess this,
let me add some logic to this.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yes, Paul, what this comes down to is the boost
a quarterback gets from winning a Super Bowl. But look
at two guys that Eli played with, oc U Menora
and Justin Tuck. They each made three Pro Bowls and
they were very good players. Those guys were high end
defensive ends. They each won two Super Bowls. Tuck led
the team in sacks, led the entire league in sex
in the postseason. Neither of those guys are going to
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the Hall of Fame, and they participated and really helped
win two Super Bowls, and they don't get the boost
that Eli Manning gets.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, but you know, if I look at who they're
compared to, all the great defensive linemen, they don't come
close to those guys. They were really good, really good
for the Giants team. But there are some great defensive linemen.
You have quarterbacks who have won two Super Bowls, and
then you throw in his last name and he beat
the Patriots and he plays in New York. Put it
all in the blender. He's probably going to be a
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first ballot Hall of Famer. And if Todd likes to
tell me, you can't spell elite without E l, I
that's very true. Needs to be said Todd. Yes, thank you.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yes, it is funny that after all that we all
agreed that he is not a first ballot Hall of Famer,
you finish with he will go in as one that
the other voters will do it. I wonder if that's
like a I think so pressure, a public pressure of
catering to the mannings to a touch.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, well I wouldn't. But if he goes in, great,
you know fine. There have been other players who do
go in, or when they go in, or players who
don't get it. Rodney Harrison, to me, is a Hall
of Famer and he's been a semifinals. There's a lot
of players on here. I mean you can go down
the list and go Hall of Fame or Hall of
Fame or Hall of Fame. First ballot is what I'm
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talking about. First ballot at that position is what I'm
talking about. Yes, Marv, does you guys keep talking about
the Manning name. Does the Manning name hold that much
weight when it comes to the Hall of Fame because
Archie's not in? Or is it just that Peyton holds
that much weight? Yes, Peyton does. Peyton is powerful. But
I don't think Eli's getting in because of Peyton. I
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do think the Manning name, though, has you know, Annie's
you know, got the Manning cat like he's there doing commercials.
He's always there. You see him. He's a fun interview
and sometimes if you're nice to the media, that can
play a role consciously, subconsciously, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It's also the storyline. If you go back and look
at Archie Manning, he was a second pick of the draft.
You remember him, Dan, he was a big college star.
If he took his hometown team New Orleans to a
Super Bowl victory, all his stats would be washed away
and he'd probably would have gotten the Hall of Fame
based off that alone. You know, he made two Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Well, he was a great athlete. Like at that position,
Archie could run and pass. Like Archie in today's game
would probably be a better quarterback than Eli because his
ability to run. Archie was a great athlete. But you know,
he played for a bad team, played for New Orleans,
got banged up. First jersey I ever bought was Archie Manning.
(26:35):
Loved watching Archie, but it felt like every time I
saw him he had a cast on his arm or
you know, he's limping out there. But you know, Peyton
changed the game, revolutionized the game. You went to the
line of scrimmage and you're actually calling out plays, changing
plays and kind of mocking the defense there you know
what they're going to run. You know that he changed
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the game. Eli. He did what he needed to do
when he needed to do it. But if David Tyree
doesn't catch that ball with his helmet, I don't think
Eli's going into the Hall of Fame. I mean it's
that fine of a margin, yes, Mark. And also I
think it's Eli beating Tom Brady twice. I think that
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helps too, because it's not even like, yeah, you won
those Super Bowls, Look who you beat. Tom Brady probably
has nine Super Bowls if Eli doesn't come up big
in those moments. And it's not that he had great
numbers as much as he had great moments, and the
defense was wonderful. I thought that one of those Super Bowls,
the Front four should have been the mvpick because they
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pounded Tom Brady. Michael Strahan's been on the show and
he said we hit him with everything he said. I
had more respect for him in that moment in that
game than anything else he did because we pounded him
and he never complained. He got back up that defense,
the Front four, they were the MVPs of that Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
Yes, Mark, And I think eli moment in the Super
Bowl that doesn't get talked about enough is maybe one
of the best passes I've ever seen to Mario Manahan.
That thing was yeah, perfect, and I think that past
probably doesn't get talked enough. But he's still not a
first BOT Hall of Famer ahead.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I am right on the sidelines there, so Manningham catches it.
He's four yards in front of me, and you're thinking,
I thought Eli was throwing the ball. I had no
idea where he's throwing it, and all of a sudden
he places it perfectly with Mary O Manninghan perfect, you
have that, you have the David Tyree catch. And then
for some reason the Patriots put a five to ten
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to five to eleven. Guy on Plexico Verus and there's
your Super Bowl. A couple of phone calls in here
James in Virginia, Hi James, welcome back.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Oh thanks for taking my call. Brother, Happy Thursday, DP
Dan next, So luci commanders.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Man.
Speaker 8 (28:50):
I'll tell you man, I cannot stand the Giants, Eagles
or Cowboys. But to me, without a doubt, Eli Manning
is a First Ball Hall of Famer. I don't care
about his regular season stats. He was always there. But
in the playoffs eight and four. In the playoffs, sixty
went to the Super Bowl, beat the greatest quarterback of
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all time twice, the greatest team of all time in seven,
and Marvin hit it that passed to Mario Manningham is
probably one of the sweetest passions in NFL history, rivaling
the Ben Robinson passed to the homes in the in
the end zone. So to me, showing up in the
big moments in the big games, winning the way he did,
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without a doubt, the biggest play in Super Bowl history.
Like you said to David Tyrie, and I'll push back
a little bit. Tom Brady isn't Tom Brady is Adam
Van Terry doesn't hit those ticks, so we can play
with him. But in the end, Man, the guy showed
up and made the plays. To me, he's definitely a
first ballot for those reasons. Man my calls, gentlemen, y'all
(29:55):
the best. Have a wonderful day. And if I don't
talk to you, happy thanks. Timmons, Luke the Commanders.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
That is James in Virginia staying in the division. There
the nfcast to promote Eli Manning. Yeah, I know you
need a team and Brady needed Adam Vinteri. Well, is
Eli still in the game where he needs to make
that pass if that defense doesn't dominate Tom Brady. And
the answer is no. The defense kept the offense in
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that game and Eli provided a couple of huge plays,
some of the biggest plays in Super Bowl history. Doug
in North Carolina, Hi, Doug, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Well, Dan, I have an against the grain for you.
This is not a hot take because there's zero percent
change that this will happen, but yesterday you were talking
about the race for MVP, and I know the MVP
is a positive thing, but ever, if the NFL ever
went to the dark side, I think the person who's
proven that they are far and away the most valuable
player in twenty twenty four, it's not just Allen or
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Lamar Jackson. I think it's Christian McCaffrey. I think in
the preseason the forty nine ers were a big Super
Bowl pick. He goes down and now they're just there.
They're an adequate team. Tell me another non quarterback who
would have that impact. Christian McCaffrey is the most valuable
player in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Okay, thank you, Doug. That's against the grain. McLevin would
be proud of that, do we This is where we
need to hit the against the grain?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
McLevin will be very very appreciative of that. Yeah. See
back to back.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Grainy takes two with James suggesting Adam Vinieri carried Tom
Brady to those Super bowls.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, that's a hot take as well. Hot take. And
Adam Vinitry's a Hall of Famer. He's going in because
of those kicks. Nobody knows anything about his regular season numbers. Nothing,
don't know his percentage. Don't know anything about Adam Vinitieri,
other than he kicked for a long time and he
had some of the biggest kicks in NFL history. But
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he was the best big cannon couple for years in
the league.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
He was like the one that you knew, We knew him,
but because he kicked for the Patriots and normally they
were in big games. But I don't know points wise
or percentage wise. If he was considered the best kicker
in football. He was the clutch kicker in football, and
I think that's where he stood out. It was like, Oh,
it's gonna come down to a kick. Oh damn, they
(32:23):
got Vinitary. Yeah, Paul, there are three different times in
his career. He played twenty four seasons, three times first
team All Pro.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Okay, Marvin, and I think Vinetary needs more credit because
those kicks started a dynasty.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Without him. None of this even happens after the tuck rule.
What he did you know in the snowstorm? Yeah, when
he did it against Super Bowl against the greatest show
on turf. Yeah, and the Panthers also, yeah, those first
three you're right, Yeah, but see that got overshadow Wasn't
that the Janet Jackson Super Bowl? Is that the justin Timberlake?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I never forget?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Is that Nipplegate? Did did Adam Vinitterry get overshadowed? I'm
gonna look by that on a non wear computer. Okay,
all right, let me take a break, just getting started here.
We'll come back. We got our play of the day
right after this.
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Speaker 2 (33:30):
Oh my god, the play of the day. This is
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Speaker 1 (33:42):
It's a pass on first down on the reel route.
He's got Henderson, Henderson blakes free. He say, Henderson, We'll
take it to the house.
Speaker 10 (33:51):
Oh my gosh, years just like that.
Speaker 9 (33:56):
That's is what that is.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
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get up to sixty percent off and you will get
free shipping. I mentioned Jamis Winston that he can get
squirrely and do some great things, but he can also
go the other way. Got the game tonight, it's the
Browns against the Steelers. I'm trying to find the over
under for Jamis Winston passing yards. Do you have that, Pauline, Yeah,
we got it updated. And to give you a little
(34:44):
hint to what it is, it's weather dependent. The weather's
supposed to be lawful tonight. So first guest win the
over under for Jamis and then we'll get to the weather.
Two thirty four five two sixteen and a half. Oh okay,
so the weather average, Yeah, he is usually two seventy
only two sixty and a half. That's based off the weather.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
The also, the over under I think is only thirty
six and a half for the game itself. The weather
at kickoff is a combination of rain or snow ninety
percent chance of that and thirty eight degrees at kickoff.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Win Isn't this the This is the comeback game for
Nick Chubb. Did he blow his knee out against the
Steelers and now he gets to face the Steelers. Yes, Todd.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
If the Steelers win like nineteen thirteen, with another four
field goals like they had five last week and a touchdown, yeah,
what is that? How does that change at all? Your
opinion of the Steelers If they squeak by the Browns
as opposed to blowing them out like a great team would.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Well, I don't know if they're a great team. And
I think that this is weather dependent and I wouldn't
be surprised if you get four more field goals or
so out of this just because of the weather. But
I it's hard to I don't think there's a great team.
I mean, the lines are pretty close to being great team.
Kansas City can be great, but I don't know if
you have a truly it's like college football. I don't
(36:06):
know if we have a great team, but the Lions
are pretty close to it. With Pittsburgh, I just think
that it's a Steeler team. It's a winning record, get
into the postseason. You're winning games by crooked numbers, and
that's probably what will happen tonight. Jim Harball, he was
waxing poetic yesterday, and I'm thinking Jim is on a roll,
(36:30):
and he had this to say about his quarterback, Justin Herbert,
to your question.
Speaker 11 (36:35):
How is Justin you know, he's that's what he's been
doing his entire career. He has the most completions of
any quarterback in the history of the National Football League
in their first five seasons. He has the most fourth
quarter comebacks you know, in that in that time span
of any quarterback in the NFL. So there's it is
(36:59):
what it is, I mean, and enjoy it. He's he's
not only one of the best in the game currently,
he's he's one of he's one of the best of
all time.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Well, well see, he's one of the you can say,
first five years, one of the great regular season quarterbacks
of all time if you want to, so's Lamar Jackson.
But you want to be a great postseason quarterback of
all the positions in all the sports. That's what you
(37:31):
want to be great at. And Jim is an overpraeiser.
I you know, it's always interesting. I appreciate that. If
he would have just said, Hey, I like my quarterback.
Justin Herbert's really good. He's really good comebacks, wins, he
does it all great. One of the greatest quarterbacks of
all time.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, yeah, Paul, I love the overpraiser, Jim Harbaugh, You're
back in your guy, without any fault, without any hesitation.
He did the same thing with J. J. McCarthy coming
out of the draft. Greatest Michigan quarterback ever. People like,
are you sure, like no doubt, that's her harbor. He
plows through, ignores the criticism.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, but it also sets them up where you're like, oh,
one of the great quarterbacks of all time, let's see
and then he doesn't do something in the postseason. I
don't know, it's you kind of set somebody up for failure.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
Yeah, it is kind of funny to hear like, he's
one of the best quarterbacks of all time and all
these completions.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
That's why we run the ball so much. Yeah, that's
why we went out and got a big offensive line
so I could get a Michigan style.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
Okay, that's why we're trying to just pound it down
your throat, Jake and Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Hi, Jake, what's on your mind today, KADP.
Speaker 9 (38:47):
I know you were just started about Eli, but I
wanted to take a little bit of a left turn
and was wondering about Aaron Rodgers if you think it's
at all possible that his play, the turmoil that he's
had the last two years, and probably mostly his talking
has rubbed enough of the Hall of Fame voters the
wrong way that they would keep him out that first
year just to prove a point ticket to him.
Speaker 8 (39:09):
No.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
No, the numbers are undeniable. You may not like. I mean,
there are a lot of players that I didn't get
along with, but I can't argue with what they did
on the football field or a baseball field. And Aaron
Rodgers got four MVPs, got a Super Bowl? Can you
say did he underachieve? I guess if you factor in
the four MVPs, like Brett Favre, they had one Super Bowl. Okay,
(39:34):
but he's still a first ballot Hall of Famer. Stephanie
in Oregon, Hi, Steph, Hi, how.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
You doing good?
Speaker 10 (39:43):
So my question is, I know when you guys were
talking about first time ballots. I'm not questioning that. I
just was wondering what your opinion is regarding Eric Allen
not being in the Hall of Fame yet. I mean,
this guy has got the numbers. The only thing he
didn't have was a super Bowl. But god, twenty years,
the guy who's been on this scene, he still hasn't
(40:05):
gotten in.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, but I go back to Rodney Harrison, who won
three Super Bowls with the Patriots, and he should be
in the Hall of Fame as well. You can make
a case for so many of these guys, but I
want it to be difficult to get in. I mean,
I'm not the one on the outside waiting for you
somebody to knock on my door. But you want the
best in there to be able to say I got
(40:30):
to see that person play, or look at the numbers
of that player. Eric Allen was a great player, great player,
great guy too. But I'm thankful I don't vote on
this because it's a thankless job. You might say, hey,
I get to vote on the Football Hall of Fame. Yeah,
good luck. All you have people do is complain. Coming up,
(40:52):
we'll check in with the Steelers. Is this a perception game?
Even if they win? Can they lose
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it's coming, and it's going to be there for a
little while. Is Eli manning a first ballot Hall of Fame?
He's a semi finalist. They're twenty five semi finalist. So
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(01:32):
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over four hundred affiliates around the country. I was a
real man yesterday. I'm in Maine. So what did I
(01:54):
do yesterday afternoon? How about you, guys? Guess what a
real man does in May in the afternoon. Temperatures probably
in the upper forties. It was overcast, and I was
a man.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yes, Paul, it's November, it's getting chilly. You were chopping
some wood.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
No, no, all the wood is chopped. Todd, what do
you think I did yesterday being a man?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I think you were out in the cold fishing and
then you cooked up something to eat off of that fishing.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, look, who knows what a real man is all about?
Blop bloop. Yes, I was fly fishing yesterday, fly fishing
for salmon and trout, and I'm still fishing for I
didn't catch, but I was fishing yesterday, but I felt
like a man out there.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Now you hold for compliments, Wow, look what you did?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
All right?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Less than four minutes in I had the over, But congratulations.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Was a little bit of like a brad pit river
run through it feel and the wind in your hair,
the waiters, you know, did you feel good out there?
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I mean you felt like a man kind of, except
for catching fish and looking good while trying to catch fish.
I was kind of like Brad Pitt.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
Yeah, Seeton, I think you're just getting towards the end
of bear hunting season in Maine. I think that ends
at the end of November, so you still got a
couple of days left if you want to keep owing
your manhood.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
And we're starting bear at tax season. Yeah, bear tax
season No. Twelfth, that's right.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That's right. Okay, here's the I didn't realize this, but
I go to this park. It's woods, it's a you know,
some kind of big area that you can go hiking.
And somebody said, hey, you don't have orange on. You
better get some orange on, and I go, I'm just
walking through that. I mean, this is where families go
and you bring your dog. And then they go, well, no, no, no,
(03:48):
there are people who are hunting in this area for bear, whatever, deer, deer,
And I said, wait a minute, so they could mistake
me for He said, yes, you know I was wearing brown.
I'm wearing a brown hoodie, and I'm thinking they see me,
you know kind.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Of brownhood what do you have an antler hat on?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I might as well leaving hook Prince. I mean, I
was going, oh my god. I thought he was joking.
I thought their families walking through, and you know, they
had somebody with a dog. And then I'm going, wait,
there's people hunting in here. Says yeah, with bows, crossbows,
and they can hit things from one hundred yards out.
(04:31):
So the whole time I'm walking, I'm going, oh my god,
do I make noise? Like I don't know how you
walk to make it look like you're not a deer
to somebody one hundred yards away. But that's the kind
of manly things I was doing. And then came home,
build a fire outside, had some keeper's heart, had a cigar,
and I was all alone, just me, the moon and
(04:54):
the stars. Yes, tot.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Is it a certain shade of orange? Tennessee, Syracuse? Something else?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Go annoy?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
What kind of orange you have to get her?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Avoid? I think I should get Tennessee. I need the
brightest orange possible. Checkerboard that just basic, Yeah, just something
that says, don't shoot me. But hey, I'm learning. I'm
learning on the job here in May. All right, poll question, Seaton,
what are we gonna go with an hour one on
this program?
Speaker 6 (05:19):
I got many options for you. Do you want a
Paul question or a Todd question.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I'm gonna go Todd because he came out of the
gate strong, and let's see if we can keep the
momentum going.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
To do That's a Thursday if I'm not mistaken. So
he's got lindsay he likes a Thursday.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Poll question. Let's see.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Uh, will tonight's divisional quote trap game result in a
loss for the Steelers in Cleveland. Your options are yes,
Pittsburgh slips up tonight versus the Browns, or no, the
steel curtain closes on the dog pound tonight.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Okay, it could have been just yes or no, but
I do that's not fun script. Yes, okay? Is it
a trap game if everybody knows it's a trap game?
If I say to the Steelers, hey, it's a trap
game for the Browns, Hey, they know it's a trap game,
is it still a trap game if they're overlooking the
(06:18):
Cleveland Browns? Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Paul Mike Tomlin was actually asked if this were a
trap game, and he said, no, I'm aware of those.
I've been doing this a while. So that was on Tuesday.
It can't be a trap game if the coach addresses
it on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Right, Okay, all right? What else do you have time?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
We've got the now two and twelve Sixers will be
just fine, relaxed the long season, ultimately make the postseason,
but it's a first round exit for them, not make
the playoffs altogether. Already calling it fourteen games in what?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Wow? Fourteen games? Will not your leader if your leader
is what twenty three years of age? Tyrese Maxi calling
out Joel and b Paul, Joey or is injured again,
embiid as late for team activities. This doesn't bode well.
He's not playing back to back games, and then one
of your youngest players, your best player right now, is
(07:11):
calling out joe llenb What could go wrong that hasn't
already gone wrong? Feels like this is not playoff bound
for Philadelphia? What else do you have?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
How will Lebron James taking a break from social media
affect your daily life? The choices are actually a lot
more than you may realize, and I'd like to hear
the answer to that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
But I'm confident I can work around it, So that's nice.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
You can figure out a way around it, or surprisingly,
my roles and responsibilities at home and work should remain
relatively unchanged.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, I don't think it's going to affect me on
a daily basis, but let's see. I mean it's early.
He just decided that he was going to take a
break from social media. Now I don't know what that means.
How do you take a break from social media? Do
you get rid of all of your social media threads?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
There?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Or how people can respond to you? I'm not a
social media person. Yes, Paul, I had two thoughts when
I saw this story. I just air quoted.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
By the way, why do you announce you're taking a
break from social media? Because if you're taking a break
from social media is to get less interaction and attention.
You could do that by just taking a break from
social media. However, I'm gonna call my shot here. Lebron
James is about to announce a new partnership with some
type of social media platform in the next two months.
My guess is Lebron is a gigantic businessman. We'll take
(08:31):
a break from different platforms that he's on and before
Christmas will say I am now with blank whatever. The
new hot one is that he owns ten percent.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
All right, Okay, I don't know what it means to
take a break from social media, and you're right, if
you're taking a break, do you announce you're taking a
break from social media? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (08:52):
See, I think taking a break from social media is
exactly like how you've lived your life right up until
this point.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
There's really no different than that. Okay, it's just I've
taken a break from social media for well all my life.
It's exactly right. That's exactly the point.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
So it's like, oh, you just don't go on it anymore,
and then it's like it's not there. Okay, took a break.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I'd like to announce that I'm going to join social
media now if Lebron is not going to be part
of stuff, build a void, bell the void. People just
assume you have Facebook, Like they'll just go, well, you
got Facebook, right, and I'll go, No, how old are you?
I'll go, I guess old enough to know I don't
need Facebook. You have instacute. You have the gram, don't you?
(09:37):
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Are those all the ones you have? Todd?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
There was just one other one which Marvin may not appreciate,
but we're gonna roll with it. Gino Oriema becoming the
winniest coach in NCAA history is and your choices are
as followers. Wow, absolutely incredible, pretty impressive, certainly an accomplishment.
Proof if you stick around long enough, you can compile
big stats.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
What is that about?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
That's not cool?
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Honor the guy?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
But something wrote that doesn't mean I feel that you
wrote it. I wrote that, but doesn't mean I would
pick that up. You offering it to people that are
down on you, and it's basketball. They don't think that
what he did, with what he's doing is that big
a deal. That's an option. If you don't want to
go with amazing, incredible or an accomplishment.
Speaker 8 (10:49):
That's not how I feel.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I would go Wow, absolutely incredible.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Actually I probably go pretty, but I probably go ali.
But you thought about that. You put that there as
an option, so you did think about it.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I think some people will vote for that. That's why
I put it there. I thought of all the different options,
and there are people of wise guys at this narky
that'll be like, yeah, okay, whatever. Anyway, moving on.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
It's a big deal. It's a big deal. It's consistency,
it's you know, creating a program. He created a program,
the number of players, number of players in the WNBA.
He's one of the great coaches of all time, doesn't
matter men's, women's, other sports. He's one of the great
coaches of all time and should be recognized as such.
(11:32):
And he'll hold this record for a long, long, long time.
I don't think you'll see coaches who will last this long.
I think Kim Mulki, who is now at LSU, she's
close to five hundred wins behind him. If she coached
ten more years in one forty games each year, she'd
still be behind Gino Oriema. So he will be he'll
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hold this record for a long long time. I think
it got lost in the shuffle of headlines because he
wasn't passing coach k He was passing Tera van Derveer,
who was a longtime coach at Stanford. And I think
that's probably why it kind of slipped by people. Because
I was watching Sports Center last night and all of
a sudden, they're like Gino could set the record. They're
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playing Fairley Dickinson. So I checked the point spread. I
think they were favored by forty five and a half.
Who can you check it? Because I think they won
by forty five. I think they were favored by forty
five and a half, maybe forty six, but I think
they won by forty five points. Did you have a
(12:36):
couple bucks on this one?
Speaker 9 (12:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, I got forty five and a half. Does that
means fairly Dickinson covered?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yes, that's what's incredible. Yes, yes, yes, Todd.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I'm looking at a final of eighty five forty one.
My matho was sug just a forty four point victory.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
For ucuck Oh okay, well, then Fairfield or Fairley. Dickinson
they covered, They covered? Isn't that amazing? The game like
this and you're saying, all right, how many are they
going to win? They're gonna win, but by how many?
I don't know. We're gonna put it over under forty
five and you're like, okay, well I'm definitely taking the over, Yes, Paul, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Forty seasons for y Emma, he averaged thirty wins a season.
It meant like an off year was twenty seven wins.
And he's still going like he's going to put the
record out there. Remember about when we started doing the show,
maybe fifteen seventeen years ago. There is discussion would he
leave to take a men's job? He said why he
remember he shook it off often.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Oh yeah, yeah. I think because we look at that
and say, well, that's how you show your success. Oh
you're a good coach with the women. Well, Pat Summit
could have coached anybody, any team. I mean, she was
that great a coach. There's certain coaches, and he has
a comfort level there. He is the king of Connecticut
and he's done a wonderful job there. And I don't
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think I think there's part of him because when you
talk to him, he's got that attitude that you know
he'll give it back to you. He's like Cali Perry,
He's not afraid to give it back to you. And
I think his whole point was I don't need to
prove myself. I think part of you thinks you have to,
or others think you have to. He's like, no, I
don't need to. I mean it's like Danny Hurley, you
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want to go to the Lakers, I don't know, or
do you want to stay at Connecticut? And I said
I would stay at Connecticut, stay there for a little while.
Do something that people haven't done. Three peete here and
then if you want to do it, great, the money's
going to be there. But I great credit for Gina,
love the personality, how his women respond to him. Great
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team and when you consider great coaches college basketball coaches
of all time, Gino is in that conversation. All right,
we'll take a break. We're going to not from social media.
Just take a break, go to commercial break. But we'll
come back. We'll settle on our poll question and we
will talk about the topic. My take over the show
is Eli Manning a first ballot home of We'll have
(15:00):
that for you. Coming up next, Dan Patrick's show.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
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Speaker 2 (15:14):
I've got the Steelers favored by three and a half
against the Browns. Mike Tomlin has coached nineteen games Thursday Night.
That's tied with Andy Reid for the most of any
active coach, and he is nine to ten on Thursday Nights,
so his winning percentage is third lowest of any coach
to have coached ten or more Thursday Night games since
(15:37):
two thousand, Ron Rivera, Sean Payton, and then it's Mike Tomlin.
It's a big game for them. Every game is a
big game for them, trying to get a little more
distance between them and the Ravens. And you're facing the
Cleveland Browns. This is one of those weird moments. You're
not quite sure what you're going to get from the
Cleveland Browns. You kind of know what you're getting from
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the Pittsburgh Steelers, but this is a person excep win
with the Pittsburgh Steelers. If they do win, we're going
to go, well, how did Russ play? That's where we start.
And if for us happens to have one of those
really good games. He hasn't had a great game yet,
but if he has a good game, then I think
people probably in Pittsburgh will go Okay, all right, maybe
we're good. You know what you're going to have For
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the most part when you play them, game is going
to be mucked up. It's going to be ugly, but
you got a great Hall of Fame coach, really good defense,
don't make mistakes, and if you have home field advantage,
they're going to be dangerous in the playoffs. That's a
lot of things to play out over the next couple
of weeks. But tonight is a perception game, I think
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for the Steelers. If you win, how do you win?
Only favored by three and a half. And this is
where Jameis Winston throws for three hundred yards. Now, I'm
not saying that he's going to throw three hundred yards
and three touchdowns and no interceptions, but this is one
of those It'll be well, Jameis Winston can still sling it.
(16:59):
And I thought, well, let me check the over underpassing
yards for jam I just have a weird feeling about
Jamis Winston tonight. Let me see, do we have over
underpassing yards for Jameis Winston? I thought I had Let
me see what I aint af here. Okay, Jamis Winston
is averaging two hundred and seventy yards per game, seventh
(17:23):
most all time by any quarterback with at least eighty
games played, So he can do it. It's just you
never know what he's going to do it, and he
has a tendency to give and take it away from
his own team.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yes, Paul, Jamis Winston about five years ago, had one
of the greatest, weirdest seasons in NFL history. He was
seven to nine as the Buck starter. His last year there,
he threw for fifty one hundred yards, led the league
in passing yardage. He threw for thirty three touchdowns, but
he also led the league with thirty interceptions. It's like
it's like he had everything.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
He threw it to. You th retain. He's not given credit,
not given credit for being a thirty thirty guy. You know,
we talk about baseball players like Jamis's part of the
thirty thirty club. It's just a different kind of club,
all right. Twenty five modern era players were named as
semi finals for the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class
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of twenty twenty five. Between four and eight will be
selected from the list. Now you have Eli Manning's there,
Luke Keikley's there, Like you have some new additions on here,
Adam bin Terry, Jared Allen, Terrell Suggs or Old Thomas
Steve Smith. You know, there's a really really good list.
And when you look at these lists, you're like, well,
he's a Hall of Famer, and he's a Hall of Famer.
(18:38):
That's true. Everybody on the list is probably a Hall
of Famer. But who is going to be a first
ballot Hall of Famer. That's where it gets a little trickier.
And let me start with Eli Manning, because I don't
think he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. He's going
to get into the Hall of Fame. And now once
again we love Eli, he's been on the show. My
(19:00):
job is not to like you. My job is to
cover you. Eli Manning had two great years. He didn't
win any other playoff games, but in those two years
he won Super Bowls. He beat the Patriots, including the
undefeated Patriots. That's a great postseason having that on your resume.
But his numbers, they're okay during the regular season, and
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the only category he led the league in three times interceptions.
You have the Manning name. Peyton was the first ballot
Hall of Fame. There have been sixteen quarterbacks first ballot
Hall of Famers, Peyton, Manning, Brett Favre, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon,
Steve Young, Dan Marino, John Elway, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts,
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Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, George Blanda, who was also a kicker,
Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, and Bobby Lane. Eli is not
in that category. He's not, He's not. He can be
a Hall of Fame. Once again, this goes back to
what Dion talked about, and that is you can have
the penthouse, you can have the second floor, first floor.
(20:11):
I don't want to have a basement in the Hall
of Fame. But if you have first floor, second floor,
third floor, penthouse, or however you want to do it,
or you want to give first ballot Hall of famers
a different shade of jacket gold, I'm fine with that
because they are different first ballot Hall of Famers. But
I think there have been ninety two total first ballot
Hall of Famers, including sixteen quarterbacks. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
I feel like the first floor of the Hall of
Fame should be the most valuable one. Oh, even though
it's the lowest, it's the one that you walk into.
So like, if you're walking into the Hall of Fame
and you're on the first floor and you're like, dang,
these dudes are Hall of Famers really?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Okay, Well I best we better climb all the way
to the top to see they're really good guys. Well,
that's why you have the penthouse and it costs more.
Were you gonna work a little bit to get up there,
but when you get up there, you love the view? Yeah,
see yeah, pony Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Going back to Eli Manning, like you said, when you
mention those names, you throughout these names, he doesn't fit
with those names. In the regular season, he's one seventeen
and one seventeen as a starter, five hundred. He was
a sixty percent passer for his career tons of yards
fifty seven thousand yards, three hundred and sixty six touchdowns,
but two hundred and forty four interceptions. He made four
Pro Bowls, two of them as an alternate. Was never
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an All Pro or second team All Pro.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, and once again we bring this up and no
is an elite quarterback. Note did he have two years,
two postseasons where he was elite? Absolutely? And he made
big plays. Absolutely, But if you're going to be honest
about the Hall of Fame, he's not a first Hall
of Famer. Peyton certainly was the other names that I mentioned.
(21:54):
Now you might look at bart Starr's numbers and go, really, well,
what he did for that team, the Bay Packers. They
ran the ball, they played great defense, and then He
had good postseasons, certainly against Kansas City, you know, big
bad Chiefs. They were thinking they were going to take
down the Green Bay Packers in the first Super Bowl.
(22:14):
Then they faced the Raiders second Super Bowl. He's in,
but the numbers like Dan Foutce to me, is not
a first ballot Hall of Famer who loved the offense,
loved what Airic Coriel did. Dan didn't do anything in
the postseason. He had his moment against the Bengals in Cincinnati,
the coldest football game ever played. They lost that game
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or they would have gone to the Super Bowl. And
we've had Dan on. It's I can say, hey, I
like somebody, but I have to be honest about it.
And there it's not as it's not men as a slight.
You'll come off as a slight. Oh, Dan Patrick doesn't
think Eli's the first ballot Hall of Famer. I would
say it to Eli if he asked me the question,
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but I'm not going to have him on to say,
you know, Eli, you're not a first batle of Hall
of Famer. But I'll go back to what happened when
I'm sitting at a dinner with Mark Jackson and Patrick
Ewing and John Berry and Mark Jackson said, Hey, tell Patrick,
who would you take a keem Eli Jawan or Patrick Ewing?
And I said to Patrick Ewing, I would take a
(23:17):
keem Olaijaan. I wouldn't have said that to him, but
Mark knows that I loved to keem Elijaha and thought
he was a better center than Patrick Ewing. But I
don't go out of my way. I don't want a
hot take on this other than let me assess this,
let me add some logic to this.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yes, Paul, what this comes down to is the boost
a quarterback gets from winning a Super Bowl. But look
at two guys that Eli played with, oc U Menora
and Justin Tuck. They each made three Pro Bowls and
they were very good players. Those guys were high end
defensive ends. They each won two Super Bowls. Tuck led
the team in sacks, led the entire league in sex
in the postseason. Neither of those guys are going to
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the Hall of Fame, and they participated and really helped
win two Super Bowls, and they don't get the boost
that Eli Manning gets.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, but you know, if I look at who they're
compared to, all the great defensive linemen, they don't come
close to those guys. They were really good, really good
for the Giants team. But there are some great defensive linemen.
You have quarterbacks who have won two Super Bowls, and
then you throw in his last name and he beat
the Patriots and he plays in New York. Put it
all in the blender. He's probably going to be a
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first ballot Hall of Famer. And if Todd likes to
tell me, you can't spell elite without E l, I
that's very true. Needs to be said Todd. Yes, thank you.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yes, it is funny that after all that we all
agreed that he is not a first ballot Hall of Famer,
you finish with he will go in as one that
the other voters will do it. I wonder if that's
like a I think so pressure, a public pressure of
catering to the mannings to a touch.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, well I wouldn't. But if he goes in, great,
you know fine. There have been other players who do
go in, or when they go in, or players who
don't get it. Rodney Harrison, to me, is a Hall
of Famer and he's been a semifinals. There's a lot
of players on here. I mean you can go down
the list and go Hall of Fame or Hall of
Fame or Hall of Fame. First ballot is what I'm
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talking about. First ballot at that position is what I'm
talking about. Yes, Marv, does you guys keep talking about
the Manning name. Does the Manning name hold that much
weight when it comes to the Hall of Fame because
Archie's not in? Or is it just that Peyton holds
that much weight? Yes, Peyton does. Peyton is powerful. But
I don't think Eli's getting in because of Peyton. I
(25:36):
do think the Manning name, though, has you know, Annie's
you know, got the Manning cat like he's there doing commercials.
He's always there. You see him. He's a fun interview
and sometimes if you're nice to the media, that can
play a role consciously, subconsciously, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It's also the storyline. If you go back and look
at Archie Manning, he was a second pick of the draft.
You remember him, Dan, he was a big college star.
If he took his hometown team New Orleans to a
Super Bowl victory, all his stats would be washed away
and he'd probably would have gotten the Hall of Fame
based off that alone. You know, he made two Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Well, he was a great athlete. Like at that position,
Archie could run and pass. Like Archie in today's game
would probably be a better quarterback than Eli because his
ability to run. Archie was a great athlete. But you know,
he played for a bad team, played for New Orleans,
got banged up. First jersey I ever bought was Archie Manning.
(26:35):
Loved watching Archie, but it felt like every time I
saw him he had a cast on his arm or
you know, he's limping out there. But you know, Peyton
changed the game, revolutionized the game. You went to the
line of scrimmage and you're actually calling out plays, changing
plays and kind of mocking the defense there you know
what they're going to run. You know that he changed
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the game. Eli. He did what he needed to do
when he needed to do it. But if David Tyree
doesn't catch that ball with his helmet, I don't think
Eli's going into the Hall of Fame. I mean it's
that fine of a margin, yes, Mark. And also I
think it's Eli beating Tom Brady twice. I think that
(27:19):
helps too, because it's not even like, yeah, you won
those Super Bowls, Look who you beat. Tom Brady probably
has nine Super Bowls if Eli doesn't come up big
in those moments. And it's not that he had great
numbers as much as he had great moments, and the
defense was wonderful. I thought that one of those Super Bowls,
the Front four should have been the mvpick because they
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pounded Tom Brady. Michael Strahan's been on the show and
he said we hit him with everything he said. I
had more respect for him in that moment in that
game than anything else he did because we pounded him
and he never complained. He got back up that defense,
the Front four, they were the MVPs of that Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
Yes, Mark, And I think eli moment in the Super
Bowl that doesn't get talked about enough is maybe one
of the best passes I've ever seen to Mario Manahan.
That thing was yeah, perfect, and I think that past
probably doesn't get talked enough. But he's still not a
first BOT Hall of Famer ahead.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I am right on the sidelines there, so Manningham catches it.
He's four yards in front of me, and you're thinking,
I thought Eli was throwing the ball. I had no
idea where he's throwing it, and all of a sudden
he places it perfectly with Mary O Manninghan perfect, you
have that, you have the David Tyree catch. And then
for some reason the Patriots put a five to ten
(28:34):
to five to eleven. Guy on Plexico Verus and there's
your Super Bowl. A couple of phone calls in here
James in Virginia, Hi James, welcome back.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Oh thanks for taking my call. Brother, Happy Thursday, DP
Dan next, So luci commanders.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Man.
Speaker 8 (28:50):
I'll tell you man, I cannot stand the Giants, Eagles
or Cowboys. But to me, without a doubt, Eli Manning
is a First Ball Hall of Famer. I don't care
about his regular season stats. He was always there. But
in the playoffs eight and four. In the playoffs, sixty
went to the Super Bowl, beat the greatest quarterback of
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all time twice, the greatest team of all time in seven,
and Marvin hit it that passed to Mario Manningham is
probably one of the sweetest passions in NFL history, rivaling
the Ben Robinson passed to the homes in the in
the end zone. So to me, showing up in the
big moments in the big games, winning the way he did,
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without a doubt, the biggest play in Super Bowl history.
Like you said to David Tyrie, and I'll push back
a little bit. Tom Brady isn't Tom Brady is Adam
Van Terry doesn't hit those ticks, so we can play
with him. But in the end, Man, the guy showed
up and made the plays. To me, he's definitely a
first ballot for those reasons. Man my calls, gentlemen, y'all
(29:55):
the best. Have a wonderful day. And if I don't
talk to you, happy thanks. Timmons, Luke the Commanders.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
That is James in Virginia staying in the division. There
the nfcast to promote Eli Manning. Yeah, I know you
need a team and Brady needed Adam Vinteri. Well, is
Eli still in the game where he needs to make
that pass if that defense doesn't dominate Tom Brady. And
the answer is no. The defense kept the offense in
(30:23):
that game and Eli provided a couple of huge plays,
some of the biggest plays in Super Bowl history. Doug
in North Carolina, Hi, Doug, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Well, Dan, I have an against the grain for you.
This is not a hot take because there's zero percent
change that this will happen, but yesterday you were talking
about the race for MVP, and I know the MVP
is a positive thing, but ever, if the NFL ever
went to the dark side, I think the person who's
proven that they are far and away the most valuable
player in twenty twenty four, it's not just Allen or
(30:56):
Lamar Jackson. I think it's Christian McCaffrey. I think in
the preseason the forty nine ers were a big Super
Bowl pick. He goes down and now they're just there.
They're an adequate team. Tell me another non quarterback who
would have that impact. Christian McCaffrey is the most valuable
player in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Okay, thank you, Doug. That's against the grain. McLevin would
be proud of that, do we This is where we
need to hit the against the grain?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
McLevin will be very very appreciative of that. Yeah. See
back to back.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Grainy takes two with James suggesting Adam Vinieri carried Tom
Brady to those Super bowls.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, that's a hot take as well. Hot take. And
Adam Vinitry's a Hall of Famer. He's going in because
of those kicks. Nobody knows anything about his regular season numbers. Nothing,
don't know his percentage. Don't know anything about Adam Vinitieri,
other than he kicked for a long time and he
had some of the biggest kicks in NFL history. But
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he was the best big cannon couple for years in
the league.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
He was like the one that you knew, We knew him,
but because he kicked for the Patriots and normally they
were in big games. But I don't know points wise
or percentage wise. If he was considered the best kicker
in football. He was the clutch kicker in football, and
I think that's where he stood out. It was like, Oh,
it's gonna come down to a kick. Oh damn, they
(32:23):
got Vinitary. Yeah, Paul, there are three different times in
his career. He played twenty four seasons, three times first
team All Pro.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Okay, Marvin, and I think Vinetary needs more credit because
those kicks started a dynasty.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Without him. None of this even happens after the tuck rule.
What he did you know in the snowstorm? Yeah, when
he did it against Super Bowl against the greatest show
on turf. Yeah, and the Panthers also, yeah, those first
three you're right, Yeah, but see that got overshadow Wasn't
that the Janet Jackson Super Bowl? Is that the justin Timberlake?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I never forget?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Is that Nipplegate? Did did Adam Vinitterry get overshadowed? I'm
gonna look by that on a non wear computer. Okay,
all right, let me take a break, just getting started here.
We'll come back. We got our play of the day
right after this.
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Oh my god, the play of the day. This is
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Speaker 1 (33:42):
It's a pass on first down on the reel route.
He's got Henderson, Henderson blakes free. He say, Henderson, We'll
take it to the house.
Speaker 10 (33:51):
Oh my gosh, years just like that.
Speaker 9 (33:56):
That's is what that is.
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get up to sixty percent off and you will get
free shipping. I mentioned Jamis Winston that he can get
squirrely and do some great things, but he can also
go the other way. Got the game tonight, it's the
Browns against the Steelers. I'm trying to find the over
under for Jamis Winston passing yards. Do you have that, Pauline, Yeah,
we got it updated. And to give you a little
(34:44):
hint to what it is, it's weather dependent. The weather's
supposed to be lawful tonight. So first guest win the
over under for Jamis and then we'll get to the weather.
Two thirty four five two sixteen and a half. Oh okay,
so the weather average, Yeah, he is usually two seventy
only two sixty and a half. That's based off the weather.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
The also, the over under I think is only thirty
six and a half for the game itself. The weather
at kickoff is a combination of rain or snow ninety
percent chance of that and thirty eight degrees at kickoff.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Win Isn't this the This is the comeback game for
Nick Chubb. Did he blow his knee out against the
Steelers and now he gets to face the Steelers. Yes, Todd.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
If the Steelers win like nineteen thirteen, with another four
field goals like they had five last week and a touchdown, yeah,
what is that? How does that change at all? Your
opinion of the Steelers If they squeak by the Browns
as opposed to blowing them out like a great team would.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Well, I don't know if they're a great team. And
I think that this is weather dependent and I wouldn't
be surprised if you get four more field goals or
so out of this just because of the weather. But
I it's hard to I don't think there's a great team.
I mean, the lines are pretty close to being great team.
Kansas City can be great, but I don't know if
you have a truly it's like college football. I don't
(36:06):
know if we have a great team, but the Lions
are pretty close to it. With Pittsburgh, I just think
that it's a Steeler team. It's a winning record, get
into the postseason. You're winning games by crooked numbers, and
that's probably what will happen tonight. Jim Harball, he was
waxing poetic yesterday, and I'm thinking Jim is on a roll,
(36:30):
and he had this to say about his quarterback, Justin Herbert,
to your question.
Speaker 11 (36:35):
How is Justin you know, he's that's what he's been
doing his entire career. He has the most completions of
any quarterback in the history of the National Football League
in their first five seasons. He has the most fourth
quarter comebacks you know, in that in that time span
of any quarterback in the NFL. So there's it is
(36:59):
what it is, I mean, and enjoy it. He's he's
not only one of the best in the game currently,
he's he's one of he's one of the best of
all time.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Well, well see, he's one of the you can say,
first five years, one of the great regular season quarterbacks
of all time if you want to, so's Lamar Jackson.
But you want to be a great postseason quarterback of
all the positions in all the sports. That's what you
(37:31):
want to be great at. And Jim is an overpraeiser.
I you know, it's always interesting. I appreciate that. If
he would have just said, Hey, I like my quarterback.
Justin Herbert's really good. He's really good comebacks, wins, he
does it all great. One of the greatest quarterbacks of
all time.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, yeah, Paul, I love the overpraiser, Jim Harbaugh, You're
back in your guy, without any fault, without any hesitation.
He did the same thing with J. J. McCarthy coming
out of the draft. Greatest Michigan quarterback ever. People like,
are you sure, like no doubt, that's her harbor. He
plows through, ignores the criticism.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, but it also sets them up where you're like, oh,
one of the great quarterbacks of all time, let's see
and then he doesn't do something in the postseason. I
don't know, it's you kind of set somebody up for failure.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
Yeah, it is kind of funny to hear like, he's
one of the best quarterbacks of all time and all
these completions.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
That's why we run the ball so much. Yeah, that's
why we went out and got a big offensive line
so I could get a Michigan style.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
Okay, that's why we're trying to just pound it down
your throat, Jake and Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Hi, Jake, what's on your mind today, KADP.
Speaker 9 (38:47):
I know you were just started about Eli, but I
wanted to take a little bit of a left turn
and was wondering about Aaron Rodgers if you think it's
at all possible that his play, the turmoil that he's
had the last two years, and probably mostly his talking
has rubbed enough of the Hall of Fame voters the
wrong way that they would keep him out that first
year just to prove a point ticket to him.
Speaker 8 (39:09):
No.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
No, the numbers are undeniable. You may not like. I mean,
there are a lot of players that I didn't get
along with, but I can't argue with what they did
on the football field or a baseball field. And Aaron
Rodgers got four MVPs, got a Super Bowl? Can you
say did he underachieve? I guess if you factor in
the four MVPs, like Brett Favre, they had one Super Bowl. Okay,
(39:34):
but he's still a first ballot Hall of Famer. Stephanie
in Oregon, Hi, Steph, Hi, how.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
You doing good?
Speaker 10 (39:43):
So my question is, I know when you guys were
talking about first time ballots. I'm not questioning that. I
just was wondering what your opinion is regarding Eric Allen
not being in the Hall of Fame yet. I mean,
this guy has got the numbers. The only thing he
didn't have was a super Bowl. But god, twenty years,
the guy who's been on this scene, he still hasn't
(40:05):
gotten in.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, but I go back to Rodney Harrison, who won
three Super Bowls with the Patriots, and he should be
in the Hall of Fame as well. You can make
a case for so many of these guys, but I
want it to be difficult to get in. I mean,
I'm not the one on the outside waiting for you
somebody to knock on my door. But you want the
best in there to be able to say I got
(40:30):
to see that person play, or look at the numbers
of that player. Eric Allen was a great player, great player,
great guy too. But I'm thankful I don't vote on
this because it's a thankless job. You might say, hey,
I get to vote on the Football Hall of Fame. Yeah,
good luck. All you have people do is complain. Coming up,
(40:52):
we'll check in with the Steelers. Is this a perception game?
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