December 4, 2024 • 32 mins
The Guys rank the current wildcard teams and weigh in on the Azeez Al-Shaair suspension.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to football today, Wednesday. I don't know the date
off the top of my head is December fourth. How's
everybody doing today? I'm Bobby Skinner here with Justin Pennock
and want to break down the Trevor Lawrence dizz I'll
share thing because it's become a well, this is crazy
on both sides, a thing where it should be suspended
for the season or for not at all because of
(00:22):
past precedents. So we're going to talk about that. But
before that, we're going to power rank the current wildcard team.
So the five through seven seed in the AFC and
the NFC, just power rank them as we view them
as like playoff and Super Bowl contenders. Justin Pennock, how
are we doing? How we're feeling?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm feeling much better.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
The hot tub that I was in this weekend overall
Ohio State, the pH and balance was bad. Hey, if
you own a hot tub, make sure your pH bounce
is good so you don't add anybody up.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
So this is the first time I've talked to you
since because I've recorded shows without you. How do you
know that that's what it was?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Because my mother when we first got our hot tub,
when we were growing up. She had the same thing,
fully diagnosed, fully everything, and immediately like the same symptoms,
the same marks, So we just knew exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
What it was.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And also I love it up online. I have marks
like on my body, but it's mainly on my legs.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, i'll show you after.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
That's why, No you won't. We're saying Dan Patrick poison
that hot tub, but I'm not one of them. Welcome
on the listeners from the Dan Patrick Network. All right,
so we're going to power rank our wildcard teams one
through six, so we I mean, I guess we always
start at the bottom. Who is your number six wildcard team?
So this is base? This isn't officially the team with
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the least likelyhood to advance in the playoffs and make
the super Bowl because we're not including division winners and
I think I think there's a chance of division winner
maybe the weakest team in the NFL. But who who
is your number six for just power wildcard teams? I
have the Commanders I do as well, And is what
is like your main reason why the Commanders aren't ahead
(02:06):
of the Chargers, the Packers, Ravens, Broncos, Vikings Number one?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I think Cliff Kingsbury in the month of November December
is a real thing, you know, And they have two
wins this month, but their two wins are over the
Giants and the Titans, and then they are three losses
that are pankicked in between those two wins or the Steelers,
the Eagles, and the Cowboys. Cow That Cowboys loss was bad,
man really really bad loss, but three kind of decently
ished Cowboys aren't a good team. I don't think this
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Commander's team has enough talent. I think they they should
be commended on a very, very good season. Jaden Daniels
should win Offensive Rookie of the Year. Even with bo
Nicks having a strong second half push, there was still
we haven't really seen anything like the first nine ten
weeks of you know, Jading Daniels the season. I think
he should almost win Offensive Rookie of the Year off
that alone. But I don't think this roster, this offensive line,
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and especially that defense is ready to make any kind
of season push. And unless they're playing a team coming
out of the AFC South, or really if the unless
they're playing the Atlanta Falcons, I don't really see them
winning a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I Like I said, I think they're not going to
face the Atlanta Falcons. Most likely things flip, so there's
a good chance they're gonna be playing the Philadelphia Eagles.
I think that defense, my main thing is the defensive talent.
I think that the defense has over exceeded, but I
just think that defensive talent's gonna catch up with them.
(03:33):
By the way, I'd become a Brock Bowers offensive Rookie
of the Year. You get you're the you're the best
at your position, you all pro your position, you get
Rookie of the Year. It's not I'm not turning a
Rookie of the Year into just a best QB award
because I just I don't want to be that. So
I want Brock Bowers Rookie the Year. But off of
that side, note, yeah, it's just the Commanders haven't looked
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as good now. They did smack the Titans around, but
those are also you know, that's the only team the
New York Jets beat this year. You know, they're they're
a team that's contending for the number one pick in
the NFL Draft. So I'm not going to be overly
impressed with that. But I'm very impressive that the Commanders
are even in the playoffs at this point. I'm pretty
confident they're going to get in. They're two games up
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on the Bucks with and you know, and the Rams
with five games left. I do think that they get in.
It's not a log, but yeah, Commanders are my number
six wild card team as well.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, they have a bye week this week. They have
the Saints, Eagles, Falcons, Cowboys to finish off the year.
If they go two and two, they probably get in.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
At ten and seven, Yeah, it'd be hard to miss it.
At ten and seven or two and two. What are
they right now? They're seven and five, right, they're.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Eight and five because they just beat the Titans. They
have a bye week week fourteen, and they finish at
you know, at Saints home against Eagles home against Falcons
at Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
This is the last week for bye weeks. I keep
forgetting that teams have had nothing.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I know, it's very late, very weird.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So I think two and two is very doable for them.
All right. Number six for me is gonna be the
team that's one on Monday night football, team that's hot,
the number two defense in the NFL. I'm gonna go
to Denver, the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I and this is number five, correct, because you just
said number six, Yes, number five, So yeah, number six
commanders and then number five.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I also have the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Okay, so why are we not like fully bought into
what the Denver Broncos are doing right now?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Again, I'm gonna go certainly, defense, They're not lacking defensive talent,
and I legitimately do think that this is a this
is a defense that can do some good things in
some big games. They have had some games, even like
the Browns where they've had you know, they've allowed a
lot of points, they've a lot a lot of yards.
But we know that pass rushes can win in the postseason.
I don't know. I'm still not fully believing that bo
(05:52):
Nicks and that offense and that offensive talent can win
against better defenses. Call me a hater, huh, right, I
said call me a hate Call me a hater at
this point, but I I'm I'm really impressed with bon
Necks and he's been over the last two ish months.
He's been like borderline at top twelve, top ten quarters back.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I played really well and in the beginning of the season,
it was it was god awful, like he was like
the first month, I was like, and I wasn't like
the biggest, but like I had bon Nicks rated ahead
of Michael Pennix. I talked about how I thought his
film was much better than JJ McCarthy's. Yeah, you know,
and then obviously I didn't have any of those guys
in the same level as the Caleb Drake may and
and Jaden Daniels level, so I thought Bone. But that
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first month of the season, or even the first six weeks,
I'm like, this is really bad, Like this is this
guy's unsettled, his feet aren't there, he's missing passes. He's
not the only pressure now he has not had to
face a lot of pressure in his last month or
so as well. And I think that, but you know,
their last three, they've on a three game winning shoot
being the Browns, the Raiders, Falcons, the Falcons. One is
fairly impressive, you know, like that the Falcons are are
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a division leader right now. Got beat by the Chiefs
sixteen to fourteen, that was on the blockfield goal, but
still only scored fourteen on them, and then got smoked
by the Ravens forty one to ten, then their wins
before that Panthers Saints then lost to the playoff Chargers,
and then you know, I won't go over the first
month of the season, uh because bow Knicks has been
a much better quarterbacks since then. So I think that
(07:23):
defense is again it's one of these attacking defenses that
comes at you. It brings it all game long. But
at the end, I don't that offensive line is performing
really well. I just don't trust that offense to put
up enough points in the playoffs when it matters.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I don't think that defense, as good as it is,
is a carry you through a couple of rounds. Step
of defense.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Can see them beating a wildcard team though, Like with that,
with that defensive performance and that pass rush just shutting
everything down. Patrick's certain shuts down a number one wide receiver,
I definitely could see them shutting you know up.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Right now, they're playing the Bills in the first round.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Though, oh Bill, it depends on how the AFC shakes
up two because the Bills could lose a game.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Steelers could go up there.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, you get Broncos Steelers. It's you know that they
did lose to the Steelers early in the year. But
that's you know that they lost thirteen to six. Now,
but I'd say both teams have different quarterbacks at this point.
Bo Nix is not what he was in that matchup,
and Justin Fielz is not the quarterback. But yeah, they
can they can beat the Steelers. I picked the Steelers,
(08:31):
but they can beat them. So so we have the
same one. We need to start differing on some of
this stuff. Justin h my number, who is your number
four out of your six wild card teams?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I have the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I have the Vikings number one. Whoa oh they that
defense is hard to prepare for, right and and also,
like think about this a little bit. It's not about opponent,
but like think about this, think about Brian Flores's defense
versus Jalen Hurts, Gino Smith, Kirk Cousins, Jordan Love and
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Jayden Daniels the Lions. I'm not comparing many teams. I'm
not comparing any of these teams against how they'll do
against the Lions. But hell, they almost did beat the
Detroit Lions. So there's a divisional faux part where they
have a chance in that one too. The offense is
obviously super talented, they can run the ball, and I
do have worries about Donald in a playoff game, but
I also think they're good enough to overcome if he's
(09:28):
having some turnovers, you know, which they've been able to
do this year. You know they have you know, they
only have two losses on the year. Like, the Vikings
are my number one team. Like again, if we're ranking
quarterbacks in this, yeah, I'm not feeling comfortable with that
at all compared to the rest of these teams, But
(09:50):
just overall team coaching, I think the Vikings can make
some actual noise in these playoffs.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I think quarterback is a huge part of this terms
of like you know, who is really contending for Super Bowl?
And I would just put these other these other quarterbacks
in this wild card bracket ahead of where the Vikings
are now. And also, the Vikings are a frisky team.
They are a dangerous team, but they also lack talent
(10:20):
on the especially on the defensive side of the ball,
where Brian Flores has been a really really good coach,
and I know they have Gernard and I know Van
Ginkle's been really good for them too. Ben Ginkle really
only has like a ten percent win rate on true
pass sets. Gernard's been really really good, and don't get
me wrong, Ben Ginkle's been really good for them as well.
Byron Murphy's been good for them. In the secondary, Stefan
Gilmour has been pretty solid. But still like there's there's
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not a ton of like firepower superstar names on that
defense that like, who am I going to? Who can
I see really stepping up and making that game winning
play for the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
It all comes down to it the defense, I know.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
But it's still I think the postseason can come down
to Jimmy's and Joe's though, Whereas you know, scheme, scheme
is good, everybody everybody has good scheme, everybody has a
good game plan, everybody knows what you're about. In the postseason,
there's so much film on everybody where I think it
may come down to Jimmy's and Joe's and I just
don't know if the Vikings at this point of their
roster build have that. And especially it comes a quarterback too.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
So I agree when we're talking about a team that
plays too high right the Vic Fangio defenses and stuff,
but that defense, man, it's just hard for the best
quarter Like the best quarterbacks just have to be on
their a game, and they've made some of the best
quarterbacks look awful this year. And you look at the
NFC like, uh huh, we don't love the quarterbacks in
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the NFC. Hell, even the Lions, you know, with the
Jared goff, Like you compare that versus to a you know,
the top of the AFC, it's not even close. So
if they were in the AFC, maybe I wouldn't be
taking them as serious. But with the NFC, with that talent,
they have, you know, the best record out of all
these teams too, which you know plays some part, and
they're you know, like the Minnesota Vikings only lost it
against the Detroit Lions, which they lost on a on
(12:03):
a game winning field goal, and then they lost to
the Rams started to twenty the week after. You know,
they you know, beaten the Texans, They've beaten the Packers,
right that game looks like a two point game, but
they really beat the shit out of them. I don't
think that score tells the story. You know, uh, you
know beat the Cardinals last week in a tight game
where they had to pull it out at the end.
But I I really am a believer of these Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I mean who and who's to said? I don't even
want to hate on the Vikings, but who this is
for the this is the case for the Vikings, Packers, Llions.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
This division is still up for grabs.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Oh yeah, that's this I'm trying to think of, Like
when has a division been this good? Like when when's
the last time we had the vision that was just
flought out? This damn good? Where like there's multiple teams
that can, like you can see making a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That's a good question. I have no clue comment down
below you.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Nobody in the NFC. I kind of want to go
through this exercise. I mean, I guess the AFC North
has had some sometimes when when they were like that, But.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
There's been times where divisions have been this close, but
not because the records are this closet.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
But I'm talking about like just three teams that are
just like you can make an argument for, you know,
top eight in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well, here here's my hope. My hope is that uh
Vikings at Lions on January fifth. Right now, it's slated
to be a one pm game. I'm hoping part of
me hopes that this is for the NFC North title.
Flex that to a somewhat significant time slot and.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
We're going to have a party. That's my hope.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
By the way, we're going to record after the Thursday
night game this this week.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
What's the Thursday night game this week?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Lions and Packers? Ah, okay, we got we got we
kind of got it. That's a bit. That's the game
of the week right there at number four for me
as the Chargers. You know me, I love, I love
myself some Los Angeles Chargers. I don't know if that
that offensive talent is just there to hang in the playoffs.
Like I really like that defense. But even then they
are where you talked about like everyone's got scheme in
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the playoffs, you know, Like I think the Chargers have
truly benefited from maybe the easiest schedule in the NFL,
and that's one reason why I picked them to win
so many games this year. But you know, they they
lost to the Ravens, Like tell me, tell me that.
Like they beat the Broncos, but again, Bonnix was a
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different I would pick them one one v one versus
the Broncos. And they're you know, the team we ranked
second to last in this I just think they're they're
not really a team that can beat like Lamar Allen
and like a duo like two of Lamar Allen or
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Burrow sorry Lamar Allen or Mahomes in the playoffs, and
to win as a wildcard team, you're probably gonna have
to beat two of those guys.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
So number three, again, I have the Vikings. For number three,
I have the Ravens, and then I do have the
Chargers ahead of the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Okay, so I have the Ravens number two. So we're
going obviously going out of not out of order, but
our orders are different. Like let's let me just let's go.
Let's go one through six right now. My one through
six is Vikings, Ravens, Packers number three, Chargers number four,
Broncos number six, commanders. Uh wait, Vikings one, you beget
the numbers wrong. All up the Ravens number two, Packers
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number three, Chargers number four, Bronco's number five, commanders number six.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I have Packers one, Chargers two, Ravens, three, Vikings, four,
Broncos five commanders six.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Why I felt dirty not putting the Ravens number one.
They have the best quarterback. In all of this, they
have you know, Derrick Henry. Their defense is starting to
come together a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I just.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I worry about them not playing with elite and where
Derek Henry is playing good but not having a dominant
rushing game.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
And you want to know, you want to know. So
I follow some Ravens people and some Ravens people that
break down film and it's somebo uh, he's one of them.
And then another guy, another guy, another guy that interacted
I forget, I forget his name, but another guy that
interacted with a Chiefs video that I made a while back,
and I followed him something that I talked about a
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lot during the summer and after the first game of
the season where they lost against the Chiefs where their
offensive line was exposed, and then that Hey, credit to
the Ravens staff and credit to their offensive line coach.
Where the Chiefs offensive line and the weak parts of
their offensive line, particularly the right side, has not been
a talking point. I think over the last three weeks,
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especially against the Steelers and against the Eagles. Jalen Carter,
you know, had some had some good plays, and the
Eagles front is kind of dangerous. I think the Eagles
offensive line is going to be exposed in the playoffs. Particularly,
the Raven's offensive line is going to be exposed in
the playoffs. I think it's not very good. The right side.
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The lele is inconsistent. Whoever they have running out there
at right tackle, whether it's Rosen or you know, if
they're their other swing guy, I think they're going to
be exposed. And especially if they get down early, like
you said, Bobby and Lamar Jackson has to drop back
and they have to push the ball down the field.
This is where pressure can get to Lamar, whether it's
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physically or metaphorical pressure that you need to carry the
football team. I think that offensive line is going again
Jimmy's and Joe's in the postseason. It's going to be exposed.
And I think that's why I trust the Chargers more,
even though, hey, they're not the most talented either. And
also this Ravens defense is not nearly as dominant as
what it was last year. It's borderline not even a
good defense.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
No, it's really not by any statistical measure. But with
some of the guys you have on there, you kind
of like have some trust in them with you know,
Rold Klawansmith and Kyle Hamilton. Yeah, they also have the
kicker issue.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Oh huge kicks like Justin Tucker shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Because of like, yeah, they they don't have a kicker
on the practice squad unless they signed one since we
recorded on Monday. They need to go sign a kicker
to their practice squad because like that's and I like
Justin Decker has been He'll be a ring of honor
and for the Ravens, we're talking about, you know, trying
to win a super Bowl here, and he may be
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a disadvantage for you, which is a crazy thing to
think about how quickly it happened for him. But he's
become an issue for them. But I don't. I don't.
At the same time, like you kind of hope he
gets out of this funk and is a good kicker
for you next year. So it's like, how how do
you go about that? So I think they have an issue,
but they did just beat the Chargers, so I have
them over the charger and and so you have the
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Packers number one, and we'll finish off with this then
before we get into the Trevor Lawrence stuff. I'm not
like I think the Packers are capable. I think they
can go to the Super Bowl. I got see more
from them, like I beside. The most impressive thing I
think the Packers have done this year is going undefeated
with Leaquillis at quarterback. And that's awesome, but that's not
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what's going to win your Super Bowl. It's about winning
with Jordan Love, which they have done. But I thought
they got beat badly by the Vikings, they lost to
the Alliance, they lost to the Eagles week one. Obviously
teams are a lot different. If anything, the Eagles look
a lot better than what they did in that Week
one matchup. Uh you know, like the Packers have losses
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to the Eagles, Vikings, Lions. They have wins over the Dolphins,
the perty List forty nine Ers, the Bears on a
block field goal, the Jags, Texans, Cardinals, and Rams. So
like Texans, Cardinals, and Rams are are some solid wins,
but they're not these season defining wins. But Jordan Love
is getting hot and that can make all the difference
in the world.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
And that's that's where I'm coming from. Where they have
a defense that takes the ball away, they have a
defense that's aggressive. Jordan Love has an incredibly low sack
rate at three percent this year. Now here's the thing
with Jordan Love. You gotta not turn over the ball.
You gotta not make the dumb mistake. You gotta not
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make that critical mistake in a critical moment in the playoffs.
But this is a team that's been.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
There, done that.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
They were literally on the doorsteps last year beating the
San Francisco forty nine ers. They were one drive away
and one Jordan Love interception away, game winning drive away
from doing it. This is a young team that I
believe in the coach, I believe in Jordan Love the quarterback. Now,
despite hey, I could say, don't make the critical and
crucial mistake, but also I still want to empower Jordan
Love to make the incredible throw because we have seen
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some incredible freaking throws. That throw to Jayden Reid that
he had against the Dolphins where he's running to his right,
he's running to his right and he's running backwards, almost
backwards on an angle, and he throws that ball in
the run to Jayden Reid and he one hands it
like that's awesome stuff. That's awesome stuff. Jordan Love is
making throws It has the confidence off platform and to
do certain things that not a lot of quarterbacks are
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doing right now. And that's the type of shit and
those are the type of plays that can win you
fucking games in the postseason. Just don't do the dumb shit.
Don't do the dumb shit, avoid the negative plays. They're
at least doing half of it by not getting sacked,
and they can and they can produce turnovers on their
side on the defensive side of the ball too.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, And I think that's where the Packers. It's like,
when Jordan Love is is playing really well, it's hard
to make a case against them. It's just like you mentioned,
Jordan Love, avoid the interceptions. You can't take it the
aggression away, like you said, but you do have to
avoid the turnovers, which he's had a ton of this year.
But you can make again you can. I think you
can make that argument for like, let's just let's just
(21:40):
go through the quarterbacks in the NFD Golf, Hurts, Uh,
Gino Kirk Cousins, Sam Darnold, Jordan Love, Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I'm putting Love three ahead behind who uh, Golf and Hurts.
Is there anybody agreedious that I'm missing in there.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
No, if anything, I think maybe you put them over Hurts.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, I think maybe. I think maybe you do put them.
I would put them over Hurts, yes, And I.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Think there's some people who'd argue GoF but I think
that's a little too early for that. I agree, Yeah, justin,
so all right, just relist six through one. Six Washington Commanders,
five Denver Broncos, four Los Angeles Chargers, three Green Bay Packers,
two Baltimore Ravens and number one new man on the
Minnesota Vikings. Justin, who is your top six?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Your number six, your rankings number six? I have the
Washington Commanders number five, the Denver Broncos, number four, the
Minnesota Vikings number three, the Baltimore Ravens, number two, Los
Angeles Chargers, and number one the Green Bay Packers. We
ranked the powers of the wild card teams. And before
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You will be glad you did.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I want some money because I uh in the first quarter,
I said Michigan plus nine and a half, boom, and
I won. I want some money. When I was at
the Michigan Ohio State game, there was pepper spray on
the field.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Some were some were saying you got pepper spray, but
that was not that was confirmed to be false.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, I was up in the three hundreds.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, people get pepper spray, and that's honestly the most
if you asked me, where what's the most likely play
for someone to get pepper straight the.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Three Yeah that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
All right, So let's talk about this Trevor Lawrence Aziz
al Shaer thing and thing by I mean Alziz al
Shaer trying to take fucking Trevor Lawrence's head off. Uh.
So he was suspended for three games, justin and I
just kind of want to lay all this out there
and then we can talk about it. We don't need
to spend time on this. So he suspended for three games,
and then the NFL rules thing, and this computer doesn't
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have the statement that I had pulled up.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
So let me by John Runyon.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
By John Runyon, right, And there's a discussion of whether
it's hypocritical for John Runyan being in this position because
of some of the hits he had, but nonetheless that
is his job and you can't judge in base off
of that. So they come out with this during your
game against the Jacksonville jack and we've all seen the hit.
You know don't need to describe it. During your game
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against the Jacksonville Jags on December first, with all four
minutes and twenty seconds remaining in the second quarter, you
were involved in a player that the league considered unacceptable
in a serious violation of the playing rules. Video shows
you striking the head neck area of the Jags quarterback
Trevor Lawrence after he clearly goes down and a feet
first slide. You led with your forearm and helmet and
delivered a force while blow to the head and neck
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area of your opponent. You had time and space to
avoid such kind oftecht After the illegal hit, you proceed
to engage in a brawl, which you escalated when you
pulled an opponent down to the ground by a space mask.
After the referee announced that you were disqualified for the
hit and your unsportsman like condis as unsports like acts,
you removed your helmet and re engage with your opponent
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while walking down and across the field, which started another
physical confrontation near the end zone. Your lack of sportsmanship
and respect for the game of football and those who
play coach and enjoy watching. It is troubling and does
not reflect the Gore valleyes in the NFL. Your continued
disregard for the NFL playing rules puts the health and
safety to both of you and your opponents in jeopardy.
It will not be tolerated. So let's talk about it.
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Demko rans you know, and his pressor talked about how
QB's slide later go out of bows last second. This
was not that right. If we're talking about the way
Patrick Mahomes can play the games, or Kenny Pickett and
a couple of years ago at pitt then yeah, that's
that stuff's bullshit. If a QB is on the on
the field towards the sideline and he's maybe trying to
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bait you in and get an extra couple of yards,
crush him. I don't care, like get out of bounds quarterback.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And that's exactly what Caleb Williams did earlier in the year.
Aziz al Shah here which people are using like oh
Aziz's previous previous, uh you know, actions, previous actions of
being dirty. Caleb Williams does this thing where he slows up,
waits to get hit and tries to bait people into
a fly that ship shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Fly right right, And but here's the issues that you
could see the intent from azizaus here and what he
did versus Trevor Lawrence, Like it's not just doubting slowing
it down. You watch it live and you're like, oh that,
Like you watch it live from every hand and it
looks like you're doing that on purpose. You mentioned the
Kayla Williams Williams thing. He threw a punch on Roshawn
Johnston on that he cras that's paullery out of bounds.
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He's grabbed Brady by the neck like that is a
part of the story. When it comes to zas all
Share and Demiko Ryan saying their sideline overreacted, shut the
fuck up, Demiko ryans, their sideline did not overreact at all.
If anything, they reacted less than they should have because
they should have had his fucking helmet in the ground
for that bullshit. And then here's the person I actually
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agreed with a little bit, Nick Casterio de Texans GM,
talking about no consistency. He mentioned Derwin James getting all
these penalties and then suspended one game. Brian Branch ejected
and then played the next week. And then I thought
the one that he brought the best was Kareem Jackson,
who has been ejected and fined three times before he
was suspended for one game. So I actually agreed a
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three game suspension is not that's brand new. That's brand new.
And I don't think Aziz Outshar despite pass offenses, has
been this repeat, repeat offender where he needs that. But
what I don't like from Nick Cassia is talking about
him being a captain and going to a charity of
fans to defend Like that sounds silly, like you know,
says it's bullshit about how he's being painted by referencing
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the run No, I don't think it's bullshit at all,
Like you know, like maybe we can have a discussion
of John Runyan being you know, the VP of policy
and rules administration, that being hypocritical, but all you have
fun killing the messenger, Like I'm sorry, but if you
lay a guy out who gave himself up to put
him in the fucking fencing position, then you keep engaging
and this stuff postplay brawling and still don't stop John
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all the way into the fucking locker room. You get
to be painted however the public wants when you have
this past history right, and then his I thought was
apology sucked right, It started good, and then he's blaming
reporters and shit for what they're writing about him. Fuck
that dude, Fuck that you do that you get criticized.
So I actually agree that three games is too much
with suspension, But spare me the fucking pity party that
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the Texans are trying to be put out there about
how oh Zizelshore, Maybe if he didn't grab Brady by
the neck and have these late hits and then are trying,
you know, are trying to fight people all the way
into the fucking locker room after a guy's in the
fencing position, then I maybe have a little more pity
for you. I have no pity for his ease last year.
I don't think he should be suspended for three games.
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I think it should be one game. But I'm not
crying about it because, like I think, his reaction to
this and blaming media and shit, it drives me fucking
insane or driving fans act, you know, saying racism and Islamophobia. No,
you put a guy in a fencing position and then
continue to try and fight people afterwards. I understand defending
yourself when Ingram comes and puts you in the ground
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and the team, but continue to take.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Taking your helmet off. Yeah, taking your helmet off when
Brandon Sheriff you know is coming up to him afterwards.
But again, you know you're suspending a guy not for
I guess they also suspended him for the for the It.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Just should be suspended for one game, unless the NFL
wants to change the rules, which I think that's a
deadly game, a dangerous game to be playing, and change
the standard. But I think he should should be suspended
for one game. Find him whatever, but he should be
suspended for one game. I do think that this is
this is a bad precedent for the NFL to send
because I feel like this is a bit of an
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overreaction to an incident.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I agree, and we have to be quick with this,
but there is no consistency there. There is no and
this is the thing with the with the NFL, or
I agreed that you gotta you gotta suspend. You got
to suspend them for the there was intent there. You're
lower in the forearm, you're lower in your head. You're
going after the guy's neck. There's there's intent there and
and then I think there even is a a conversation
around the over protection of the quarterback in the NFL,
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where it's also it's also on the quarterback where if
you want to be protected, you gott to fuck it
also protect yourself. But that's not on Trevor Lawrence. That's
on the Mahomes thing, the Josh Allen fake slide, Caleb Williams,
it's on.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
It's on.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
There's times where guys will slide and they may take
a hit. This was difference you saw as he's out
here adjust to get a hit on in on him. Yeah, right,
Like there's times where it looks bad, but it's there.
You can you can tell, or at least it's questionable
if the intent was there this. I think when you
watch this in live action, not freeze framing it, there
looks like you're intent from all year to make a
hit on him.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
But in terms of the NFL, just as a sanctioning body,
there is no consistency. And this is with a lot
of things that they rule on, whether it's on the field,
whether it's off the field, whether it's substance abuse or
you know, sexual abuse stuff that they've that they've ruled
on in the past. There is no consistency, there is
no precedence, there is no guidelines. They rarely have any guidelines.
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It's the NFL doing what it wants when it wants to,
based on public pressure. Like you know, Tua freezes up.
I don't even know the guy that hit that hit
two all those times when he freezes up, you don't
know it, but it's always.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
There, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
But it's the public ironic, But it's the public pressure. Whenever,
like there's public outcry and pressure for the NFL to
do something, then they will react and at times overreact,
whether there is no guideline to what they do. It's
all right, three games, all right, cool. That Brian Branch
hit was gross. Man was fucking gross. I did a
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short on it. I did a breakdown on it, like
that is a gross, gross hit where he was even
arguable whether Brian Brian should have even been thrown out
of that game or just a personal foul penalty.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Well, here's the difference is that we haven't seen this
happen on a guy who's giving himself up since Joe
Flack going Kiko Alonso. I don't know how many years
ago that was the only other thing I think of
is rom Groundkowski like jumping on that guy's back after
the play, But we haven't seen anything like where it's
the quarterback sliding and there looks like there's intent to
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make a hit on them. Yeah, so all right, that's
an episode. We will see you guys on Friday. We'll
recap the Lions and Packers game on Thursday Night Football
and then give you a little preview for a week fourteen.
Bilby Skinner, that's Justin Pennick and this is Football Today.
Welcome to football today, Wednesday. I don't know the date
off the top of my head is December fourth. How's
everybody doing today? I'm Bobby Skinner here with Justin Pennock
and want to break down the Trevor Lawrence dizz I'll
share thing because it's become a well, this is crazy
on both sides, a thing where it should be suspended
for the season or for not at all because of
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past precedents. So we're going to talk about that. But
before that, we're going to power rank the current wildcard team.
So the five through seven seed in the AFC and
the NFC, just power rank them as we view them
as like playoff and Super Bowl contenders. Justin Pennock, how
are we doing? How we're feeling?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm feeling much better.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
The hot tub that I was in this weekend overall
Ohio State, the pH and balance was bad. Hey, if
you own a hot tub, make sure your pH bounce
is good so you don't add anybody up.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
So this is the first time I've talked to you
since because I've recorded shows without you. How do you
know that that's what it was?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Because my mother when we first got our hot tub,
when we were growing up. She had the same thing,
fully diagnosed, fully everything, and immediately like the same symptoms,
the same marks, So we just knew exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
What it was.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And also I love it up online. I have marks
like on my body, but it's mainly on my legs.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, i'll show you after.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
That's why, No you won't. We're saying Dan Patrick poison
that hot tub, but I'm not one of them. Welcome
on the listeners from the Dan Patrick Network. All right,
so we're going to power rank our wildcard teams one
through six, so we I mean, I guess we always
start at the bottom. Who is your number six wildcard team?
So this is base? This isn't officially the team with
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the least likelyhood to advance in the playoffs and make
the super Bowl because we're not including division winners and
I think I think there's a chance of division winner
maybe the weakest team in the NFL. But who who
is your number six for just power wildcard teams? I
have the Commanders I do as well, And is what
is like your main reason why the Commanders aren't ahead
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of the Chargers, the Packers, Ravens, Broncos, Vikings Number one?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I think Cliff Kingsbury in the month of November December
is a real thing, you know, And they have two
wins this month, but their two wins are over the
Giants and the Titans, and then they are three losses
that are pankicked in between those two wins or the Steelers,
the Eagles, and the Cowboys. Cow That Cowboys loss was bad,
man really really bad loss, but three kind of decently
ished Cowboys aren't a good team. I don't think this
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Commander's team has enough talent. I think they they should
be commended on a very, very good season. Jaden Daniels
should win Offensive Rookie of the Year. Even with bo
Nicks having a strong second half push, there was still
we haven't really seen anything like the first nine ten
weeks of you know, Jading Daniels the season. I think
he should almost win Offensive Rookie of the Year off
that alone. But I don't think this roster, this offensive line,
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and especially that defense is ready to make any kind
of season push. And unless they're playing a team coming
out of the AFC South, or really if the unless
they're playing the Atlanta Falcons, I don't really see them
winning a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I Like I said, I think they're not going to
face the Atlanta Falcons. Most likely things flip, so there's
a good chance they're gonna be playing the Philadelphia Eagles.
I think that defense, my main thing is the defensive talent.
I think that the defense has over exceeded, but I
just think that defensive talent's gonna catch up with them.
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By the way, I'd become a Brock Bowers offensive Rookie
of the Year. You get you're the you're the best
at your position, you all pro your position, you get
Rookie of the Year. It's not I'm not turning a
Rookie of the Year into just a best QB award
because I just I don't want to be that. So
I want Brock Bowers Rookie the Year. But off of
that side, note, yeah, it's just the Commanders haven't looked
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as good now. They did smack the Titans around, but
those are also you know, that's the only team the
New York Jets beat this year. You know, they're they're
a team that's contending for the number one pick in
the NFL Draft. So I'm not going to be overly
impressed with that. But I'm very impressive that the Commanders
are even in the playoffs at this point. I'm pretty
confident they're going to get in. They're two games up
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on the Bucks with and you know, and the Rams
with five games left. I do think that they get in.
It's not a log, but yeah, Commanders are my number
six wild card team as well.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, they have a bye week this week. They have
the Saints, Eagles, Falcons, Cowboys to finish off the year.
If they go two and two, they probably get in.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
At ten and seven, Yeah, it'd be hard to miss it.
At ten and seven or two and two. What are
they right now? They're seven and five, right, they're.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Eight and five because they just beat the Titans. They
have a bye week week fourteen, and they finish at
you know, at Saints home against Eagles home against Falcons
at Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
This is the last week for bye weeks. I keep
forgetting that teams have had nothing.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I know, it's very late, very weird.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So I think two and two is very doable for them.
All right. Number six for me is gonna be the
team that's one on Monday night football, team that's hot,
the number two defense in the NFL. I'm gonna go
to Denver, the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I and this is number five, correct, because you just
said number six, Yes, number five, So yeah, number six
commanders and then number five.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I also have the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Okay, so why are we not like fully bought into
what the Denver Broncos are doing right now?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Again, I'm gonna go certainly, defense, They're not lacking defensive talent,
and I legitimately do think that this is a this
is a defense that can do some good things in
some big games. They have had some games, even like
the Browns where they've had you know, they've allowed a
lot of points, they've a lot a lot of yards.
But we know that pass rushes can win in the postseason.
I don't know. I'm still not fully believing that bo
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Nicks and that offense and that offensive talent can win
against better defenses. Call me a hater, huh, right, I
said call me a hate Call me a hater at
this point, but I I'm I'm really impressed with bon
Necks and he's been over the last two ish months.
He's been like borderline at top twelve, top ten quarters back.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I played really well and in the beginning of the season,
it was it was god awful, like he was like
the first month, I was like, and I wasn't like
the biggest, but like I had bon Nicks rated ahead
of Michael Pennix. I talked about how I thought his
film was much better than JJ McCarthy's. Yeah, you know,
and then obviously I didn't have any of those guys
in the same level as the Caleb Drake may and
and Jaden Daniels level, so I thought Bone. But that
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first month of the season, or even the first six weeks,
I'm like, this is really bad, Like this is this
guy's unsettled, his feet aren't there, he's missing passes. He's
not the only pressure now he has not had to
face a lot of pressure in his last month or
so as well. And I think that, but you know,
their last three, they've on a three game winning shoot
being the Browns, the Raiders, Falcons, the Falcons. One is
fairly impressive, you know, like that the Falcons are are
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a division leader right now. Got beat by the Chiefs
sixteen to fourteen, that was on the blockfield goal, but
still only scored fourteen on them, and then got smoked
by the Ravens forty one to ten, then their wins
before that Panthers Saints then lost to the playoff Chargers,
and then you know, I won't go over the first
month of the season, uh because bow Knicks has been
a much better quarterbacks since then. So I think that
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defense is again it's one of these attacking defenses that
comes at you. It brings it all game long. But
at the end, I don't that offensive line is performing
really well. I just don't trust that offense to put
up enough points in the playoffs when it matters.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I don't think that defense, as good as it is,
is a carry you through a couple of rounds. Step
of defense.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Can see them beating a wildcard team though, Like with that,
with that defensive performance and that pass rush just shutting
everything down. Patrick's certain shuts down a number one wide receiver,
I definitely could see them shutting you know up.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Right now, they're playing the Bills in the first round.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Though, oh Bill, it depends on how the AFC shakes
up two because the Bills could lose a game.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Steelers could go up there.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, you get Broncos Steelers. It's you know that they
did lose to the Steelers early in the year. But
that's you know that they lost thirteen to six. Now,
but I'd say both teams have different quarterbacks at this point.
Bo Nix is not what he was in that matchup,
and Justin Fielz is not the quarterback. But yeah, they
can they can beat the Steelers. I picked the Steelers,
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but they can beat them. So so we have the
same one. We need to start differing on some of
this stuff. Justin h my number, who is your number
four out of your six wild card teams?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I have the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I have the Vikings number one. Whoa oh they that
defense is hard to prepare for, right and and also,
like think about this a little bit. It's not about opponent,
but like think about this, think about Brian Flores's defense
versus Jalen Hurts, Gino Smith, Kirk Cousins, Jordan Love and
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Jayden Daniels the Lions. I'm not comparing many teams. I'm
not comparing any of these teams against how they'll do
against the Lions. But hell, they almost did beat the
Detroit Lions. So there's a divisional faux part where they
have a chance in that one too. The offense is
obviously super talented, they can run the ball, and I
do have worries about Donald in a playoff game, but
I also think they're good enough to overcome if he's
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having some turnovers, you know, which they've been able to
do this year. You know they have you know, they
only have two losses on the year. Like, the Vikings
are my number one team. Like again, if we're ranking
quarterbacks in this, yeah, I'm not feeling comfortable with that
at all compared to the rest of these teams, But
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just overall team coaching, I think the Vikings can make
some actual noise in these playoffs.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I think quarterback is a huge part of this terms
of like you know, who is really contending for Super Bowl?
And I would just put these other these other quarterbacks
in this wild card bracket ahead of where the Vikings
are now. And also, the Vikings are a frisky team.
They are a dangerous team, but they also lack talent
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on the especially on the defensive side of the ball,
where Brian Flores has been a really really good coach,
and I know they have Gernard and I know Van
Ginkle's been really good for them too. Ben Ginkle really
only has like a ten percent win rate on true
pass sets. Gernard's been really really good, and don't get
me wrong, Ben Ginkle's been really good for them as well.
Byron Murphy's been good for them. In the secondary, Stefan
Gilmour has been pretty solid. But still like there's there's
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not a ton of like firepower superstar names on that
defense that like, who am I going to? Who can
I see really stepping up and making that game winning
play for the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
It all comes down to it the defense, I know.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
But it's still I think the postseason can come down
to Jimmy's and Joe's though, Whereas you know, scheme, scheme
is good, everybody everybody has good scheme, everybody has a
good game plan, everybody knows what you're about. In the postseason,
there's so much film on everybody where I think it
may come down to Jimmy's and Joe's and I just
don't know if the Vikings at this point of their
roster build have that. And especially it comes a quarterback too.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
So I agree when we're talking about a team that
plays too high right the Vic Fangio defenses and stuff,
but that defense, man, it's just hard for the best
quarter Like the best quarterbacks just have to be on
their a game, and they've made some of the best
quarterbacks look awful this year. And you look at the
NFC like, uh huh, we don't love the quarterbacks in
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the NFC. Hell, even the Lions, you know, with the
Jared goff, Like you compare that versus to a you know,
the top of the AFC, it's not even close. So
if they were in the AFC, maybe I wouldn't be
taking them as serious. But with the NFC, with that talent,
they have, you know, the best record out of all
these teams too, which you know plays some part, and
they're you know, like the Minnesota Vikings only lost it
against the Detroit Lions, which they lost on a on
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a game winning field goal, and then they lost to
the Rams started to twenty the week after. You know,
they you know, beaten the Texans, They've beaten the Packers,
right that game looks like a two point game, but
they really beat the shit out of them. I don't
think that score tells the story. You know, uh, you
know beat the Cardinals last week in a tight game
where they had to pull it out at the end.
But I I really am a believer of these Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I mean who and who's to said? I don't even
want to hate on the Vikings, but who this is
for the this is the case for the Vikings, Packers, Llions.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
This division is still up for grabs.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Oh yeah, that's this I'm trying to think of, Like
when has a division been this good? Like when when's
the last time we had the vision that was just
flought out? This damn good? Where like there's multiple teams
that can, like you can see making a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That's a good question. I have no clue comment down
below you.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Nobody in the NFC. I kind of want to go
through this exercise. I mean, I guess the AFC North
has had some sometimes when when they were like that, But.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
There's been times where divisions have been this close, but
not because the records are this closet.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
But I'm talking about like just three teams that are
just like you can make an argument for, you know,
top eight in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well, here here's my hope. My hope is that uh
Vikings at Lions on January fifth. Right now, it's slated
to be a one pm game. I'm hoping part of
me hopes that this is for the NFC North title.
Flex that to a somewhat significant time slot and.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
We're going to have a party. That's my hope.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
By the way, we're going to record after the Thursday
night game this this week.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
What's the Thursday night game this week?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Lions and Packers? Ah, okay, we got we got we
kind of got it. That's a bit. That's the game
of the week right there at number four for me
as the Chargers. You know me, I love, I love
myself some Los Angeles Chargers. I don't know if that
that offensive talent is just there to hang in the playoffs.
Like I really like that defense. But even then they
are where you talked about like everyone's got scheme in
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the playoffs, you know, Like I think the Chargers have
truly benefited from maybe the easiest schedule in the NFL,
and that's one reason why I picked them to win
so many games this year. But you know, they they
lost to the Ravens, Like tell me, tell me that.
Like they beat the Broncos, but again, Bonnix was a
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different I would pick them one one v one versus
the Broncos. And they're you know, the team we ranked
second to last in this I just think they're they're
not really a team that can beat like Lamar Allen
and like a duo like two of Lamar Allen or
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Burrow sorry Lamar Allen or Mahomes in the playoffs, and
to win as a wildcard team, you're probably gonna have
to beat two of those guys.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
So number three, again, I have the Vikings. For number three,
I have the Ravens, and then I do have the
Chargers ahead of the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Okay, so I have the Ravens number two. So we're
going obviously going out of not out of order, but
our orders are different. Like let's let me just let's go.
Let's go one through six right now. My one through
six is Vikings, Ravens, Packers number three, Chargers number four,
Broncos number six, commanders. Uh wait, Vikings one, you beget
the numbers wrong. All up the Ravens number two, Packers
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number three, Chargers number four, Bronco's number five, commanders number six.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I have Packers one, Chargers two, Ravens, three, Vikings, four,
Broncos five commanders six.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Why I felt dirty not putting the Ravens number one.
They have the best quarterback. In all of this, they
have you know, Derrick Henry. Their defense is starting to
come together a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I just.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I worry about them not playing with elite and where
Derek Henry is playing good but not having a dominant
rushing game.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
And you want to know, you want to know. So
I follow some Ravens people and some Ravens people that
break down film and it's somebo uh, he's one of them.
And then another guy, another guy, another guy that interacted
I forget, I forget his name, but another guy that
interacted with a Chiefs video that I made a while back,
and I followed him something that I talked about a
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lot during the summer and after the first game of
the season where they lost against the Chiefs where their
offensive line was exposed, and then that Hey, credit to
the Ravens staff and credit to their offensive line coach.
Where the Chiefs offensive line and the weak parts of
their offensive line, particularly the right side, has not been
a talking point. I think over the last three weeks,
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especially against the Steelers and against the Eagles. Jalen Carter,
you know, had some had some good plays, and the
Eagles front is kind of dangerous. I think the Eagles
offensive line is going to be exposed in the playoffs. Particularly,
the Raven's offensive line is going to be exposed in
the playoffs. I think it's not very good. The right side.
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The lele is inconsistent. Whoever they have running out there
at right tackle, whether it's Rosen or you know, if
they're their other swing guy, I think they're going to
be exposed. And especially if they get down early, like
you said, Bobby and Lamar Jackson has to drop back
and they have to push the ball down the field.
This is where pressure can get to Lamar, whether it's
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physically or metaphorical pressure that you need to carry the
football team. I think that offensive line is going again
Jimmy's and Joe's in the postseason. It's going to be exposed.
And I think that's why I trust the Chargers more,
even though, hey, they're not the most talented either. And
also this Ravens defense is not nearly as dominant as
what it was last year. It's borderline not even a
good defense.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
No, it's really not by any statistical measure. But with
some of the guys you have on there, you kind
of like have some trust in them with you know,
Rold Klawansmith and Kyle Hamilton. Yeah, they also have the
kicker issue.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Oh huge kicks like Justin Tucker shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Because of like, yeah, they they don't have a kicker
on the practice squad unless they signed one since we
recorded on Monday. They need to go sign a kicker
to their practice squad because like that's and I like
Justin Decker has been He'll be a ring of honor
and for the Ravens, we're talking about, you know, trying
to win a super Bowl here, and he may be
(18:27):
a disadvantage for you, which is a crazy thing to
think about how quickly it happened for him. But he's
become an issue for them. But I don't. I don't.
At the same time, like you kind of hope he
gets out of this funk and is a good kicker
for you next year. So it's like, how how do
you go about that? So I think they have an issue,
but they did just beat the Chargers, so I have
them over the charger and and so you have the
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Packers number one, and we'll finish off with this then
before we get into the Trevor Lawrence stuff. I'm not
like I think the Packers are capable. I think they
can go to the Super Bowl. I got see more
from them, like I beside. The most impressive thing I
think the Packers have done this year is going undefeated
with Leaquillis at quarterback. And that's awesome, but that's not
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what's going to win your Super Bowl. It's about winning
with Jordan Love, which they have done. But I thought
they got beat badly by the Vikings, they lost to
the Alliance, they lost to the Eagles week one. Obviously
teams are a lot different. If anything, the Eagles look
a lot better than what they did in that Week
one matchup. Uh you know, like the Packers have losses
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to the Eagles, Vikings, Lions. They have wins over the Dolphins,
the perty List forty nine Ers, the Bears on a
block field goal, the Jags, Texans, Cardinals, and Rams. So
like Texans, Cardinals, and Rams are are some solid wins,
but they're not these season defining wins. But Jordan Love
is getting hot and that can make all the difference
in the world.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
And that's that's where I'm coming from. Where they have
a defense that takes the ball away, they have a
defense that's aggressive. Jordan Love has an incredibly low sack
rate at three percent this year. Now here's the thing
with Jordan Love. You gotta not turn over the ball.
You gotta not make the dumb mistake. You gotta not
(20:13):
make that critical mistake in a critical moment in the playoffs.
But this is a team that's been.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
There, done that.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
They were literally on the doorsteps last year beating the
San Francisco forty nine ers. They were one drive away
and one Jordan Love interception away, game winning drive away
from doing it. This is a young team that I
believe in the coach, I believe in Jordan Love the quarterback. Now,
despite hey, I could say, don't make the critical and
crucial mistake, but also I still want to empower Jordan
Love to make the incredible throw because we have seen
(20:40):
some incredible freaking throws. That throw to Jayden Reid that
he had against the Dolphins where he's running to his right,
he's running to his right and he's running backwards, almost
backwards on an angle, and he throws that ball in
the run to Jayden Reid and he one hands it
like that's awesome stuff. That's awesome stuff. Jordan Love is
making throws It has the confidence off platform and to
do certain things that not a lot of quarterbacks are
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doing right now. And that's the type of shit and
those are the type of plays that can win you
fucking games in the postseason. Just don't do the dumb shit.
Don't do the dumb shit, avoid the negative plays. They're
at least doing half of it by not getting sacked,
and they can and they can produce turnovers on their
side on the defensive side of the ball too.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, And I think that's where the Packers. It's like,
when Jordan Love is is playing really well, it's hard
to make a case against them. It's just like you mentioned,
Jordan Love, avoid the interceptions. You can't take it the
aggression away, like you said, but you do have to
avoid the turnovers, which he's had a ton of this year.
But you can make again you can. I think you
can make that argument for like, let's just let's just
(21:40):
go through the quarterbacks in the NFD Golf, Hurts, Uh,
Gino Kirk Cousins, Sam Darnold, Jordan Love, Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I'm putting Love three ahead behind who uh, Golf and Hurts.
Is there anybody agreedious that I'm missing in there.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
No, if anything, I think maybe you put them over Hurts.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, I think maybe. I think maybe you do put them.
I would put them over Hurts, yes, And I.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Think there's some people who'd argue GoF but I think
that's a little too early for that. I agree, Yeah, justin,
so all right, just relist six through one. Six Washington Commanders,
five Denver Broncos, four Los Angeles Chargers, three Green Bay Packers,
two Baltimore Ravens and number one new man on the
Minnesota Vikings. Justin, who is your top six?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Your number six, your rankings number six? I have the
Washington Commanders number five, the Denver Broncos, number four, the
Minnesota Vikings number three, the Baltimore Ravens, number two, Los
Angeles Chargers, and number one the Green Bay Packers. We
ranked the powers of the wild card teams. And before
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Speaker 2 (23:34):
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Speaker 3 (23:36):
I want some money because I uh in the first quarter,
I said Michigan plus nine and a half, boom, and
I won. I want some money. When I was at
the Michigan Ohio State game, there was pepper spray on
the field.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Some were some were saying you got pepper spray, but
that was not that was confirmed to be false.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, I was up in the three hundreds.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, people get pepper spray, and that's honestly the most
if you asked me, where what's the most likely play
for someone to get pepper straight the.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Three Yeah that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
All right, So let's talk about this Trevor Lawrence Aziz
al Shaer thing and thing by I mean Alziz al
Shaer trying to take fucking Trevor Lawrence's head off. Uh.
So he was suspended for three games, justin and I
just kind of want to lay all this out there
and then we can talk about it. We don't need
to spend time on this. So he suspended for three games,
and then the NFL rules thing, and this computer doesn't
(24:26):
have the statement that I had pulled up.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
So let me by John Runyon.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
By John Runyon, right, And there's a discussion of whether
it's hypocritical for John Runyan being in this position because
of some of the hits he had, but nonetheless that
is his job and you can't judge in base off
of that. So they come out with this during your
game against the Jacksonville jack and we've all seen the hit.
You know don't need to describe it. During your game
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against the Jacksonville Jags on December first, with all four
minutes and twenty seconds remaining in the second quarter, you
were involved in a player that the league considered unacceptable
in a serious violation of the playing rules. Video shows
you striking the head neck area of the Jags quarterback
Trevor Lawrence after he clearly goes down and a feet
first slide. You led with your forearm and helmet and
delivered a force while blow to the head and neck
(25:13):
area of your opponent. You had time and space to
avoid such kind oftecht After the illegal hit, you proceed
to engage in a brawl, which you escalated when you
pulled an opponent down to the ground by a space mask.
After the referee announced that you were disqualified for the
hit and your unsportsman like condis as unsports like acts,
you removed your helmet and re engage with your opponent
(25:35):
while walking down and across the field, which started another
physical confrontation near the end zone. Your lack of sportsmanship
and respect for the game of football and those who
play coach and enjoy watching. It is troubling and does
not reflect the Gore valleyes in the NFL. Your continued
disregard for the NFL playing rules puts the health and
safety to both of you and your opponents in jeopardy.
It will not be tolerated. So let's talk about it.
(25:55):
Demko rans you know, and his pressor talked about how
QB's slide later go out of bows last second. This
was not that right. If we're talking about the way
Patrick Mahomes can play the games, or Kenny Pickett and
a couple of years ago at pitt then yeah, that's
that stuff's bullshit. If a QB is on the on
the field towards the sideline and he's maybe trying to
(26:15):
bait you in and get an extra couple of yards,
crush him. I don't care, like get out of bounds quarterback.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And that's exactly what Caleb Williams did earlier in the year.
Aziz al Shah here which people are using like oh
Aziz's previous previous, uh you know, actions, previous actions of
being dirty. Caleb Williams does this thing where he slows up,
waits to get hit and tries to bait people into
a fly that ship shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Fly right right, And but here's the issues that you
could see the intent from azizaus here and what he
did versus Trevor Lawrence, Like it's not just doubting slowing
it down. You watch it live and you're like, oh that,
Like you watch it live from every hand and it
looks like you're doing that on purpose. You mentioned the
Kayla Williams Williams thing. He threw a punch on Roshawn
Johnston on that he cras that's paullery out of bounds.
(27:01):
He's grabbed Brady by the neck like that is a
part of the story. When it comes to zas all
Share and Demiko Ryan saying their sideline overreacted, shut the
fuck up, Demiko ryans, their sideline did not overreact at all.
If anything, they reacted less than they should have because
they should have had his fucking helmet in the ground
for that bullshit. And then here's the person I actually
(27:23):
agreed with a little bit, Nick Casterio de Texans GM,
talking about no consistency. He mentioned Derwin James getting all
these penalties and then suspended one game. Brian Branch ejected
and then played the next week. And then I thought
the one that he brought the best was Kareem Jackson,
who has been ejected and fined three times before he
was suspended for one game. So I actually agreed a
(27:44):
three game suspension is not that's brand new. That's brand new.
And I don't think Aziz Outshar despite pass offenses, has
been this repeat, repeat offender where he needs that. But
what I don't like from Nick Cassia is talking about
him being a captain and going to a charity of
fans to defend Like that sounds silly, like you know,
says it's bullshit about how he's being painted by referencing
(28:05):
the run No, I don't think it's bullshit at all,
Like you know, like maybe we can have a discussion
of John Runyan being you know, the VP of policy
and rules administration, that being hypocritical, but all you have
fun killing the messenger, Like I'm sorry, but if you
lay a guy out who gave himself up to put
him in the fucking fencing position, then you keep engaging
and this stuff postplay brawling and still don't stop John
(28:28):
all the way into the fucking locker room. You get
to be painted however the public wants when you have
this past history right, and then his I thought was
apology sucked right, It started good, and then he's blaming
reporters and shit for what they're writing about him. Fuck
that dude, Fuck that you do that you get criticized.
So I actually agree that three games is too much
with suspension, But spare me the fucking pity party that
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the Texans are trying to be put out there about
how oh Zizelshore, Maybe if he didn't grab Brady by
the neck and have these late hits and then are trying,
you know, are trying to fight people all the way
into the fucking locker room after a guy's in the
fencing position, then I maybe have a little more pity
for you. I have no pity for his ease last year.
I don't think he should be suspended for three games.
(29:10):
I think it should be one game. But I'm not
crying about it because, like I think, his reaction to
this and blaming media and shit, it drives me fucking
insane or driving fans act, you know, saying racism and Islamophobia. No,
you put a guy in a fencing position and then
continue to try and fight people afterwards. I understand defending
yourself when Ingram comes and puts you in the ground
(29:31):
and the team, but continue to take.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Taking your helmet off. Yeah, taking your helmet off when
Brandon Sheriff you know is coming up to him afterwards.
But again, you know you're suspending a guy not for
I guess they also suspended him for the for the It.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Just should be suspended for one game, unless the NFL
wants to change the rules, which I think that's a
deadly game, a dangerous game to be playing, and change
the standard. But I think he should should be suspended
for one game. Find him whatever, but he should be
suspended for one game. I do think that this is
this is a bad precedent for the NFL to send
because I feel like this is a bit of an
(30:06):
overreaction to an incident.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I agree, and we have to be quick with this,
but there is no consistency there. There is no and
this is the thing with the with the NFL, or
I agreed that you gotta you gotta suspend. You got
to suspend them for the there was intent there. You're
lower in the forearm, you're lower in your head. You're
going after the guy's neck. There's there's intent there and
and then I think there even is a a conversation
around the over protection of the quarterback in the NFL,
(30:30):
where it's also it's also on the quarterback where if
you want to be protected, you gott to fuck it
also protect yourself. But that's not on Trevor Lawrence. That's
on the Mahomes thing, the Josh Allen fake slide, Caleb Williams,
it's on.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
It's on.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
There's times where guys will slide and they may take
a hit. This was difference you saw as he's out
here adjust to get a hit on in on him. Yeah, right,
Like there's times where it looks bad, but it's there.
You can you can tell, or at least it's questionable
if the intent was there this. I think when you
watch this in live action, not freeze framing it, there
looks like you're intent from all year to make a
hit on him.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
But in terms of the NFL, just as a sanctioning body,
there is no consistency. And this is with a lot
of things that they rule on, whether it's on the field,
whether it's off the field, whether it's substance abuse or
you know, sexual abuse stuff that they've that they've ruled
on in the past. There is no consistency, there is
no precedence, there is no guidelines. They rarely have any guidelines.
(31:23):
It's the NFL doing what it wants when it wants to,
based on public pressure. Like you know, Tua freezes up.
I don't even know the guy that hit that hit
two all those times when he freezes up, you don't
know it, but it's always.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
There, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
But it's the public ironic, But it's the public pressure. Whenever,
like there's public outcry and pressure for the NFL to
do something, then they will react and at times overreact,
whether there is no guideline to what they do. It's
all right, three games, all right, cool. That Brian Branch
hit was gross. Man was fucking gross. I did a
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short on it. I did a breakdown on it, like
that is a gross, gross hit where he was even
arguable whether Brian Brian should have even been thrown out
of that game or just a personal foul penalty.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Well, here's the difference is that we haven't seen this
happen on a guy who's giving himself up since Joe
Flack going Kiko Alonso. I don't know how many years
ago that was the only other thing I think of
is rom Groundkowski like jumping on that guy's back after
the play, But we haven't seen anything like where it's
the quarterback sliding and there looks like there's intent to
(32:31):
make a hit on them. Yeah, so all right, that's
an episode. We will see you guys on Friday. We'll
recap the Lions and Packers game on Thursday Night Football
and then give you a little preview for a week fourteen.
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