December 4, 2024 • 43 mins
Dan reacts to the latest college football rankings and the committee’s decision to rank Alabama ahead of Miami. College football insider Pat Forde discusses the latest in college football and describes what it was like to be pepper sprayed at the end of the Michigan-Ohio State game. And former NFL HC, Jason Garrett details the latest in the NFL and who he thinks has been the best comeback story in the league this season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The college football rankings seemed to dominate the headlines from
last night. So Alabama's back in, Miami is out, and
you have.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Some buys here with Boise Steak.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
You have Oregon, SMU and Texas and that's subject to change,
all right. See poll question for the first hour is
going to be what well? I think we start with
the college football playoff. The t Doubs sent in a
couple that are fun.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Alabama will ultimately make the twelve team playoff because dot
dot dot they deserve to be in or their Alabama.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Okay, I would say it has a little bit more
to do with their Alabama.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
The brand is going to get you in.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And there was a whole lot of word salad going
on last night with Who's my guy Who's running the
playoff committee?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Ward Emmanual.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
So he was talking about these conference championship games coming
up this wen he was on with Rhys Davis and
this is what's happened. College football had conference championship games
because it was a cash grab. Now you don't have
to have that. You have a twelve team playoff, not
a four team playoff. When the four team playoff, not
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everybody was sharing in all the monies, and now you
have teams that can go to a conference championship, and
the teams and the conference's benefit, well, they don't want
to screw up what happens with the twelve team playoff
by having one of their teams lose in a conference
championship game. So it feels like they're slowly trying to
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diminish or get rid of conference championship games. So here
is ward manual the College Football Selection Committee chair.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Any team that is not playing right now, we don't
have a data point to rearrange where we have those
teams ranked, and so that is set in terms of
how we see them going into the final week of
championship week. There's nothing that's going to change, Reese for
us to evaluate them any differently than we have now.
(02:08):
Those teams who are not playing cannot be adjusted in
terms of where they are compared to other teams that
are not playing. But the championship teams, we will evaluate
that data point to determine if there's needs to be
any movement based on how the performance of the game goes.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Would you like some ranch dressing with that word solid
because I have no idea what we're talking about here.
I think it's just a polite way of saying, hey,
if you're in, we want to keep you in, just
don't get blown out. And if you're out, you got
no shot of getting in unless somebody gets blown out.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, Seeton.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
It feels like, if Paul correct me if I'm wrong,
it feels like he was saying, the teams who are
not playing this weekend, they're set. Sorry, not a lot
we could do for you, but if you are playing
this weekend, maybe we'll see some movement. It was a
lot of words to say basically that, yeah, Pump.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
I think Seaton's right. It was very He took a
long way to get there, and even Reese pushback, are
you saying that this weekend doesn't matter that much? And
he kept not saying it didn't matter, but didn't say
it mattered very much. For example, if Georgia gets waxed
by Texas, I think they can go down. Can they
go down to past Ole, miss which gets ol missing?
That's confusing. If if SMU gets loses in any way,
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I think they're out. And then a team like Miami's
back in, I think.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, it side.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
I think.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
All I know is I pushed for the twelve team PLAYFF.
We got the twelve team PLAYFF. It was going to
mean more games, had more meaning late in the season.
I got that. The other part of that I can't
be responsible for. The grown ups are supposed to take
care of that. Miami's upset. You know what, Miami, you
got upset. That's why you shouldn't be upset. You lost
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two of three. Once again, you can handle your future.
I would say control your own destiny, but you can't
do that. But you could win. If you beat Syracuse,
then we're not in this position. You lost to Syracuse. Okay,
you lost to Georgia Tech. Okay, yeah, poem.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
But Miami fans, if I'm going to be pro Miami
for a minute here, just take that play that role.
Miami lost to a Syracuse team that had eight wins
going in. They were an above average team, right, Oklahoma
got I'm sorry, Alabama got murdered not literally by Oklahoma,
and average team this year wasn't even close. Alabama's resume
in November is getting waxed against Oklahoma, beating Mercer, which
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does not count, and a decent win over Auburn. They
didn't help themselves in November. They hurt themselves.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Alabama's a brand that you used to be a brand, right,
not anymore. And you lose to Syracuse. Win the game, yes,
Syracuse is good.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Win the game.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I mean Old.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Miss looses to Florida. Florida of course, started to play
a whole lot better. I mean South Carolina might be
playing as good as anybody right now. It's not fair,
I know that, but it's not meant to be fair.
It's about entertainment. It's getting brands in there, unfortunately, but
I like that you have Boise State in there, Arizona
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State's in there, SMU's in there.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
But if I look at these conferences, SMU wasn't in
the ACC last year, Arizona State wasn't in the Big
twelve last year, Oregon wasn't in the Big ten last
year Texas. Like, we're seeing these teams that just came
into conferences winning these conferences, and I know you start
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to look at resumes and we're eventually going to get
to the pro model. It might be the Premier League model.
I'd love to have relegation, or it might be the
NFL model. We're eventually going to get to that. There's
so much money to be made. It's just like March madness.
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You know, when we had the commissioner or the NCAA
commissioner on Charlie Baker on he was talking about maybe
we add four more teams, six more teams. Okay, didn't
make headlines. You go to ninety six. Now all of
a sudden, you're gonna get people going, wait a minute,
it's gonna be watered down. Yes, yes it is. You
might say it's already watered down. But college football went
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from two teams to four teams to twelve teams. And
I'm already told that we're probably going to fourteen teams
as early as next year.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
That's how quickly this is happening. Wait, aren't there contracts
in place?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Oh yeah, in pencil. They can't do that, first of all. Okay,
there's contracts put in place, so that will never happen.
This's the problem when college football people are doing. You know,
that's still a source subject with me. See, these insiders
came after me. There's there's the pageantry of the bull games,
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and I go, dude, you got a lottery ticket right
in front of you.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You're holding a lottery ticket. They're going to change college football.
What about the pageantry? What about the bowl games?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Well, wait a minute, there's contracts. I know, what about
the contracts.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You had people who were covering these meetings and missed
this story. I'm not even in there, and I was
told by an impeccable source on this. But they were
going to do with the college playoffs and it proved
to be true. And now they're going to go to
fourteen just because of the math. There's so much money
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being made here and you're discussing college This is what
they want. Just so you know, they love that you're
discussing college football.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
There's controversy. People are upset. It's not fair.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
They want you to talk about their sport. When there
were two teams playing, maybe you complained about the third team,
fourth team didn't make it the fourteen playoff, Maybe it
was the fifth team or sixteen. Now you have twelve,
and now you're talking about maybe eighteen schools that can
discuss where they should be, should they get a buy,
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should they be in?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Why aren't they in?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Now we're going to go to fourteen, and then we're
going to go. Who knows after that, it's just going
to happen. It's trying to stay. You know in mainstream
media that you discuss this like the Heisman race is over.
There's no race whatsoever. You want to talk about what's
going to happen in college football? Alabama's going to go
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to Notre Dame right now, bingo, two brands can't go
wrong with that. You're going to have some weird matchups,
but it's going to be great. This is what college
football wants. They want you to talk. I mean, March madness.
What are you talking about? You know the sixty ninth
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team is going to complain. You're like so wide, who
cares this?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
You care?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
More teams, more schools, more opinions, more conversation, more dialogue.
That's what you want. Everybody's dwarfed by the NFL. You know,
Baseball has this golden knit bat that just came out.
Baseball just wants to be talked about Juan Soto six
hundred million dollars like that's everybody's fighting for airspace here.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
That's it. It's what you want.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You don't want to get left behind, and college football
has done a great job kind of reinventing itself and
it's just getting started.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
This is going to expand, it's it's going to.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Go in directions where you go, wait a minute, here,
what are we doing In five years from now, We're
going to look back and go, dang. College football moved
at a rapid not a glacier base. This is moving
moving fast, and that's what's happening because of the money
that's involved. Look at the NFL all player safety. How
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about an eighteenth game? Sure, oh you know, we'll have
one game in London? Okay, maybe two games. How about
one in Germany? How about one in Dublin? How about
one in Rio. It's all moving fast. Everything's moving fast. WNBA,
let's expand more teams. Everybody wants to have a team.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Caitlin Clark is to the WNBA what Gretzky was to
the NHL. He expanded hockey southern part of the United States.
Who would have thought it's because Gretzky, Caitlin Clark. Everybody
wants a franchise. Now, this is what sports is doing.
This is happening right in front of us. Now you
can say, is this the Golden Age? Well, that's an
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open to your interpretation. But this is where we're going.
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pole questions you said, Todd had a few of them, Seaton.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
You said, many other pole questions.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yes, you know what, how about we do it after
the break, after the Yeah, we want to control the
quarter hours.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
What we want to do. We just won one of them.
Take that.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I used to have a radio person who was always
criticizing us of how we did our show. And even
when I talked about ESPN, they go.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
You're giving away your ratings. You're talking about ESPN. I go,
I worked there for eighteen years. I used to get emails.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
You guys broke to Ely. You broke two minutes Toily.
You got to control the quarter hour. Now we gotta
just be entertaining.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I'm just I'm just doing a show. I'm just doing
a show.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Funny because those older radio bosses are like, hey, it
wasn't really like that, and our current radio bosses are like, yes,
that's exactly what you're supposed to be doing is winning
the quarter hour.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
What's wrong with you?
Speaker 7 (12:16):
Yes, break two minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
We just we none of that has changed. We just
dominated right here.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
What do you do?
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Please win quarter hours? That's how I keep my Job's
wrong with you? I don't even understand it.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I'm like, all right, whatever, you know, just tell me
when I'm supposed to go to commercial break.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
You can't talk about ESPN. I can't.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
This person thought that because I was talking about ESPN,
they were gonna tune over to ESPN Radio.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Like the listeners of our show weren't aware of ESPN
and you were alerting them to their presence.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Wait is there ESPN Radio? I'm flipping over.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
There and I'm like, oh my god, all right, we're
just getting started, just getting started. How's morale, Marvin, how
you feeling today?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Blessed beyond belief?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, you're you're ekon Husky's Gotler coming up today tonight
let's go going to be a close one.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
No more Hawaii.
Speaker 8 (13:04):
Thank goodness, you know that was I'm sure that wasn't
a fun flight back home.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Connecticut wants to be the best team in every other
state except for Hawaii.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
They don't recognize it as a state anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
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Speaker 2 (13:33):
He might be the first guest we've had on who
has been pepper sprayed, at least officially pepper sprayed. I'm
not sure recently pepper sprayed. He's Pat forty from Sports
Illustrated and he was there in Columbus, Ohio State and Michigan.
How does it feel to get pepper sprayed?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Penn?
Speaker 9 (13:51):
It doesn't taste good, Dan.
Speaker 8 (13:53):
My food review of pepper spray is not overwhelmingly positive.
It really didn't get in my eyes as much. I
was wearing glasses and maybe that'll help. But it got
in my mouth and it's it's unpleasant, that's for sure.
Mostly I was like, what the hell is actually happening here?
And then people started reeling out of there with you know,
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their eyes watering and choking and everything. I was like, Oh,
we've just been pepper sprayed. It's a new college football
achievement for me.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I you know, when's college football, so it should be
doctor pepper spray.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
You know, with the big sponsor, you can use that
if you want.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
How did it get to the point where pepper spray
was needed after that game?
Speaker 8 (14:35):
I'm not sure. It felt to me a little like
an overreaction. I mean it was it was violent in there,
for sure. I didn't get all the way into the
middle of the octagon as it were, but I mean
there were punches, kicks being thrown, people getting bloodied.
Speaker 9 (14:50):
But I thought that this could.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
Have been handled without all of a sudden guys wearing
sheriff jackets just turning around and spraying wide swaths.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
So I don't know.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
I think it was an overreaction to a couple of
teams overreacting.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Okay, does college football look at this bigger picture? We've
seen a recent outbreak in planting the flag here? Does
college football care about this? The NCAA care to act
upon this?
Speaker 8 (15:18):
Yeah, college football cares for sure, or the NCUBAA would
probably like to care. But it's basically been kicked out
of college football. The conferences don't like the look we've
served from some commissioners and some other people that think
it's a bad look. It'll be one of those you know,
January NCAA Convention, Spring Conference meetings, talking points, and they'll
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kick it around. I wouldn't be surprised if they come
up with some sort of fine structures, or if they
come up with a and it's going to be conferenced
by conference, but a legislation of like you don't bring
your flags on the road, or you got to put
your flags in the locker room with five minutes left
in the game or whatever.
Speaker 9 (15:56):
You can't have nice things, Dan, if you can't play nicely,
all right.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Your reaction to the latest rankings, I.
Speaker 8 (16:02):
Thought Miami got screwed. It's close. It's not like this is,
you know, the biggest Travis Dew we've ever seen. But
I would have had Miami ahead of Alabama. But we've
seen historically Alabama gets in the SEC, gets what it wants.
Greg sank all but planted his flag in October saying
this has to go incredibly well, and I think a
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lot of people took that as marching orders of we
better get all of our teams in that deserve to
get in, maybe even some that don't deserve to get in.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, I wonder, and I said this when it happened.
The SEC is going to get in at least three schools.
Like it almost feels like, all right, we're going to
sign up for this. We're going to play along with you,
but you better be fair to us. At the end
of the year. Alabama is getting in because of their brand.
Miami used to have a brand. They don't have a
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brand anymore. How much of a factor do you think
that that has played in.
Speaker 8 (16:58):
I think it's undeniable. I mean, I can try to
deny it, but I don't believe it. I think the
Alabama brand is so strong that losses for them seem
to matter less. Certain wins even seem to matter more.
It may just mean more. That The point where I thought,
not necessarily that the fix is in, but that they
were excessively enamored with the Alabama brand was two weeks
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ago when they beat Mercer, an FCS team had moved
up three spots. They moved up three spots in the
rankings by beating Mercer. Then they lose by three touchdowns
to Oklahoma, but Ward Manuel comes out and says, well,
Miami wasn't playing well at the end, was Alabama playing well?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
No, I don't know what goes on in those meetings.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I don't know if, like, are there directives that go
on when the committee gets together.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
We all don't know what goes on in the meetings.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
And that's one of the biggest frustrations of this really
is just a lack of real knowledge. It'd be great
to have a camera in there, to have a reporter
in there, to have something in there to tell tell
the public what actually does happen. What are the discussion points?
What you know, where are the tension points? And yes,
what are the what what's the discussion level of how's
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this going to look or how's this going to play?
Those things I would love to know, but we don't
really have an accurate summation of that.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
We also have gotten to a point where and these
commissioners know they don't want to play in a conference
championship game because of the risk it was a money
grab for these conferences. Well, now the money's available in
the twelve team playoff, they want to slowly diminish what
these conference championship games mean, certainly for the Big Ten.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And the SEC.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So how do you do that where you kind of
you can't eradicate, but how do you diminish them? Therefore,
don't you know these games don't really mean that much
other than you're going to win your conference championship, right,
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
It's a difficult one because they're addicted to the money
from that. They're addicted to the money period from all sources.
But they like the money that comes with this. They
also they like the celebration of the league court of
sort of stage that it gives them. The Big ten
networks are going to do nothing but talk about and
laud the league for two days in Indianapolis. The SEC
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network's going to do the same thing in Atlanta, the
ACC network will do the same thing in Charlotte. The
leagues like that, and they like the money. So I
don't know how you separate that and diminish the conference
championship more. I've never liked the conference championships. I thought
they were double jeopardy for the best teams, had chance
for a fluky outcome, a chance for injuries. But now
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you're right, with the playoff and the way we've got
it structured, it's even less important and probably more damaging,
although you can at least safeguard to a degree, which
I think they're trying to do here, that both teams
in your conference championship are probably getting in to the playoff.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
He's Pad forty from Sports Illustrated senior writer. The teams
that are on the bubble who could be bounced this
weekend most likely?
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Yeah, I mean Alabama's rooting hard for SMU because if
Clemson wins, Alabama theoretically could be out, but the committee
could also just find another way to keep Alabama in
and bounce SMU. So the ACC Championship game, I think
is really where it's at. The Mountain West Championship game
between Boise and UNLV is interesting, you know. I mean,
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can Boise hold on to a top four seed and
a first round by and probably kick the Big twelve
into playing a first round road game with a champion
of that league. So those are the two spots, the
ACC and the Mountain West games, I think are the
two that where there's really some actual tension about what
might happen.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
What do you think changes about the playoffs next year.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
I would suspect, whether it's next year, whether it's twenty
twenty seven, more likely that the first round buys do
not go to four conference champions, that they will go
to the four highest rank teams. I think the Big
ten and SEC will say, okay, enough of that, we
let you stay in our tournament, Big twelve in acc
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but you in Mountain West or whoever, but you're not
getting the buys, and they will try to take all of.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Those any chance. Travis Hunter wins the Heisman unanimously.
Speaker 8 (21:18):
No, I don't think so. I think there's a decent
support for Ashton Genty, who's a great player. I think
Travis Hunter wins, and probably wins by a considerable margin.
But I think Ashton Genty, and especially if he puts
up two hundred yards Friday night, you know, that'll probably
help him some more. Again, I don't think Travis Hunter loses,
but I don't think it's an absolute landslide.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, because I argued that Shador Sanders has has kind
of quietly, which is hard to say about Colorado and
being Dion Sun quietly had an unbelievable season, and that
nude can take some punishment he gets hit. Travis Hunter
is exciting and the potent show is wonderful. You know,
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I was making a case Genty and Shadoor, what they've
meant to their teams probably more valuable than Travis Hunter
is to Colorado.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Is that crazy to say?
Speaker 8 (22:13):
Well, no, I mean you can make that argument. I
would say Travis Hunter might be more valuable because he
does indeed play two positions. But Shrroy Sanders has been unbelievable.
I mean, if he's in the top three, he deserves it.
Your point about him getting hit and taking it is
well made, because that is one tough quarterback. He takes
a pounding, he gets sacked a lot, he holds the ball,
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he doesn't bail out on plays. It's impressive what he's
done this year. He's a really, really good player.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Best running back that you ever saw, I mean, Genty
is getting into that Barry Sanders territory with these numbers.
Barry did it, of course, you know, against better competition probably,
but best running back you ever saw.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
In person in college, I would say Adrian Peters, and
he was just unbelievable at Oklahoma. Now you know all time,
I mean Barry Sanders, you watched him, and it was
like watching a magician or like an adult playing with
children where nobody could just catch him. He just made
you look silly. So those two come to mind. Walter Payton,
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of course, but I didn't see him in college.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
You know.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
I love the way Walter Payton just defeated tacklers. But
genty Genty's legit.
Speaker 9 (23:25):
Man.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
He's got size and he's just got great feet, I
mean his feet. He reminds me of l Danian Tomlinson
that that comparisons maid can catch the ball as well,
and he's just he's a heck of a player.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Great to talk to you, and are you going to
the a SEC title game?
Speaker 8 (23:40):
I am, yes, gonna go see if Clemson can drop
something in the punch bowl.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
What do you think the chances are you get pepper
sprayed again? I think much lower, Okay a horseshoe, much lower.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
But I might be back in the horse shoe if
I have a first round game and I'll be bringing
protecting here.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
How safe is Ryan Day in your opinion?
Speaker 8 (24:03):
I think he's relatively safe if he wants to be safe.
If he doesn't want to go, I think he might
be willing to reconsider how much he wants to be there,
but I don't see.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Oh, hold on that.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Ryan Day may say, you know what, I don't want
to be under this microscope anymore.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's out of the question,
that this has become almost an untenable situation.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
If he can get another job that wants to pay
him ten million dollars a.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Year, what about urban Meyer coming back to Ohio State.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
Let's not I don't think so. I don't think that
would happen ross Byorck. I think the new ad there,
if he were to get the chance to make a hire,
I think he would want to establish his own sort
of signature on the program.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, because I think the people who got rid of
urban Meyer aren't there at Ohio State anymore.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
They're not.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
No, that's true. I mean it would be a fresh slate.
But I still I'm not sure. I think ross Byork
has enough ambition that he was like, I'm not bringing
back a guy that's going to be you know, just
immediately dwarf me.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
He's patent forty, he's not afraid of your pepper spray,
and he could.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Be coming to a stadium near you. Thank you, pat
Thank you. That's bad forty.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
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Speaker 2 (25:27):
Jason Garrett a busy man. He was on the call
Miami Green Bay on Thanksgiving and had notre Dame a
couple of weeks ago. Football Night in America analyst former
Cowboys head coach Chargers Chiefs coming up on Sunday Night
on Peacock. You can see him there as well. You
want to start college football, you want to talk NFL football.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
You're in charge.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You decide what if we use the college format, like
when we ranked teams in the NFL, and in accordance
to that, you had playoff matchups, So the Chiefs could
be playing somebody from you know, the NFC in the
playoffs as opposed to the Apes, Like who's the number
one seed? Who'd be the Oregon in the NFL? Right now,
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I still think Detroit's the Oregon. They've been really good,
they've been dominant. The concern with them though, is the
injury thing on defense. But that's a little bit of
the Florida State argument from last year.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Right you know, they win all their games, they put
their backup in they continue to win. But you know,
we don't think they're good enough. But I do think
what they've done on the field over the course of
the year. They're number one.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It feels like the Eagles are an underdog story. It
feels like Buffalo is an underdog story. How does that
happen when you're two of the three best teams in
the NFL right now?
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Well, I don't know how it happens, but they're both
really good and I love I love what Philly's done.
Philly is a really talented team across the board. If
you look at their offensive line, their defense of line,
their skill players. They're playmakers. Saquan is an MVP candidate
for me. And it's amazing what they've done. If you
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think about ten and one last year and then an
epics slide. They were horrendous at the end of last
year and there were some real issues in that organization
and for them to write the ship like they have
started two and two this year. But I give a
lot of credit to Nick Sirianni. I give a lot
of credit to Vic Fangio and Kellen Moore for on
either side of the ball. Just getting those guys playing
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the right way and playing up to their talent, and
there's a really good feeling there. I was in Buffalo
on Friday. There's an amazing feeling in Buffalo. The quarterback
is off the charts. I just love the vibe they
have in that building. And again, you know, talk about
two coaches Sirianni and McDermott, guys who are really underappreciated.
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I mean, Sean McDermott. They've won the division five years
in a row, They've been to the playoff seven out
of eight years, and I think they got a lot
of young players on that team, and they're just understanding
that winning is the most important thing, and everybody's just
diving into their roles. And of course they get the
snow game Sunday night and they go have a heck
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of a lot of fun and kind of show that
to the world. But I just love both those teams. Again,
I don't know if they're underdog stories or not, but
they're damn good.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Who does Josh Allen remind you of?
Speaker 7 (28:27):
You know, when I was I shouldn't say growing up
because he's not that much older than I am, but
I had so much admiration for John Elway. I'm in
high school, he's in college at Stanford, and then he
goes on to play in the NFL, and I'm like,
I've never seen anybody like this. His ability to run
and throw and make plays and he just was incredible.
And so when you have guys like that in your life,
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Marino Elway, some of those guys, it's like nobody can
ever compare to them. But when you pull back, I'm like,
here reminds me of a version of John ell His
ability to run the ball, throw it all over the place,
and for years he was putting buffalo on his back,
and now they're better around them and he doesn't feel
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like he has to do that all the time, but
in the big moments he does just like Elway used to.
So that would be my comparison right now, both elite,
elite players.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, I could see Cam Newton as well in there
with John Allen. I mean they run, They ran in
a more physical way than Elway did. But I don't
know if you see those comps as well well.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
Well for me with Cam, I think Cam, you know,
go back to Cam in college. I mean they're running
quarterback power, you know, I mean he's in behind these guys.
I mean it's like, you know, nineteen twenty four four
horsemen type stuff. And you know, for me, he's I
see the effectiveness as a runner like Cam. Cam I
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thought was unique that way, and I just think Josh
is I think he's a passer. His ability to throw
the ball from the pocket out in space, I just
think a cut above Cam for me throwing the ball.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
We were talking about comeback Player of the Year. Now
here's a couple of our candidates, Russell Wilson, Sam Darnold.
Now we're not talking about an injury. It's more perception.
Saquon Barkley. Could he be up for comeback Player of
the year. Out of those three, who would you pick
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or if you have another.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Well, I think there are three great candidates, and I'll
hit Russell first. If you think about what's happened with
Russell over the last couple of years, I think a
lot of people said, you know, he's probably done, He's
close to being done. I can see why Pittsburgh takes
a shot at him. Maybe they can revive him. They
don't give him a huge contract. Let's kind of see
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what happens there and for him to play as well
as he has, and you know, the other day was big,
this was it. Hey, Pittsburgh, let's play great defense. Let's
run the ball. He threw for four hundred and fourteen
yards in that game. Now is Cincinnati good on defense?
Not really right now? So I get that, But I
thought they'd go into that game hammer them. Russell make
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a couple of big plays in the passing game, Pittsburgh
wins the game with their defense. That was not the game.
So it's not like they're winning despite him. I mean,
he's a major contributor to it. And if you think
about comeback player, where have they been? He wasn't in
a good place the last couple of years. He's revived himself.
The darnld story is fantastic, and I think it's a
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really good story for a lot of teams. When you
think about young quarterbacks, you thrust them into a situation
when they're young, it's not a real good situation. They
got to do it all themselves. They're still learning how
to play. And these guys get resurrected. And you and
I have talked about this before about Tom Brady. So
many things he's done. You know, at the highest level
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in the NFL. But for him to play till he's
forty five, for Drew Brees to play until he's forty,
Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, all of these guys. The runway
for quarterbacks is a lot longer than it used to be.
And I think, you know, the way we protect quarterbacks
these days is contributed to that. But this idea that
you can take a guy who has ability, who's the
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right kind of guy, who's been in a bad place,
and he can he can revive himself and resurrect himself.
Because these guys are going to play much longer. I
think that's an important story to tell. And I'm gonna
hit the last one because I love him to death.
The sa Quand story is just off the charts for me.
I mean, the devise of the running back. You can't
pay running backs. They're done when they're twenty seven. You know,
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watch the Eagles play. I mean, he's an incredible player,
and he might be the single most important player in
contributing to what I was talking about earlier with Philly.
He's an amazing guy. Everybody's behind him, and again, I
think beyond his ability on the field and it's production.
He's bringing energy to that organization. That's that's really making
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a difference.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Talking to Jason Garrett, NBC Football Night in America analyst,
It'll be the Chargers and the Chiefs on Sunday Night,
speaking of protecting the quarterback the Trevor Lawrence hit. Does
the NFL look at the sliding portion of this and
if so, what kind of modifications do you think the
NFL should make on them?
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Well, I think they have to look at it. Everyone
has the right intentions here, you know, player safety and
all the rules changes they've made at all positions, how
we do things in the off season, training camp, practice,
all of that, and then in relation to the quarterback.
I think these are all really good things to do.
But now you're in that little gray area that these
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quarterbacks are sliding later and later and later, they know
they're getting protected, they get to the sideline, they fake
like they're going out, and they make twenty more yards.
I mean, there's all these things, so so I think
they have to guard against that. I heard somebody saying,
you know, hey, maybe we should penalize the offensive guys.
Maybe that's the only thing you truly can do. And
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I get that. I'm not quite there yet, but I
do think they have to allow guys to hit these
these quarterbacks, and the hit on Trevor Lawrence egregious. I
agree with the punishment all of that, but there's a
lot of gray there for the for these defensive players
and you can see them playing hesitantly. So I wouldn't
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be opposed to some kind of penalty for a quarterback
if he if he clearly is trying to dupe the
defender and not just getting down.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I mentioned this yesterday and we were just kind of
throwing stuff against the wall. But you know when a
player is going to signal for a fair catch on
a punt, then you know you can't hit him. If
a quarterback is getting ready to slide and holds his
one hand up like you are signaling that I'm giving
myself up. Or if Patrick Mahomes is dancing down the
sidelines he doesn't put his hand.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Up, you blast him.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Can you ask a quarterback to protect himself You'll be
running with the football. You just put your hand up.
You've signified that I'm not going to keep running. It's
a white flag. What's the possibility of that being put
into play?
Speaker 7 (35:23):
I think it's a hell of an idea, I really do.
I do think it's different than a punt returner. You're
in that environment. As a punt returner, you're by yourself
as the ball goes up there, and you're really there's
no restriction on you being able to do that. Picture
some of these guys in the middle of traffic on
the sidelines. Now I got to stick my hand up.
Oh you didn't. You didn't stick your hand up. Now
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I can blast you. I think that gets a little dicey.
I don't think that. I don't think the environment's quite
as clean. But you know, I've seen college games where
these guys start their dive early.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Well Kenny Pickett did it, and then oh god.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
That was just It's just they change the rule though, Jason,
the next week they change that rule in college football.
But you're right, but somebody's gonna blast Mahomes one of
these days because he gives that I'm going out of
bound and I'm not. I'm going to dance down the side.
You can see defenders they have no idea what to
do with Mahomes.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Yeah, and people lose sight of the fact that these
these decisions, these guys are making are happen and split seconds.
You know, we watch the replay and we say, oh,
he could have hit him, Oh he should have targeted.
I'm like, do you guys understand how fast a play
happens in football? It's ridiculous. And so you're asking these guys.
You know, the receiver who catches it and he's right there.
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Then at the last second he drops his head six
inches and it goes from this glancing blow. Do you
hit I'm like, you know, it's really it's hard on
these guys. So I think we need to be more
understanding of that as they go forward. But I think
penalizing a guy who's intentionally doing it, I don't know
that that's a bad way to go.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
How would you handle Justin Tucker if you were his
head coach.
Speaker 7 (37:05):
I would absolutely stick with him. I'm not opposed to
bringing a guy in on the practice roster and having
a guy kick as well. You know, at the end
of the day, all decisions are made in the best
interests of the football team. And I don't care how
much success in history you have together. You know, Justin
Tucker understands that he understands that he has to make kicks.
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So it's a little bit for me, like a lot
of people say, with these young quarterbacks, oh, if you
sit him down, he's done. John Elway said last week, Hey,
the best thing that ever happened to me was after
the fourth game my rookie year, they benched me. And
now John Elway has to respond, and he responds in
a way that he becomes one of the all time greats.
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And so you're seeing that with Bryce Young, You're seeing
that with Anthony Richards, and these guys are responding and
if they don't respond, you got the wrong guy playing quarterback.
So I bring that up just to say, justin Tucker's
been around this league forever. He understands the Raven's got
to win. He's got to make his kicks. So so
to bring a guy in to say, hey, if we're
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not doing this, this guy's kicking on the side. This
gives us the best chance. I don't see that as
an issue. I don't see that as a problem. But
I like what John Harbaugh's done. You stick, you stick
with him and and and you say, hey, you're our kicker.
But at some point, you know, we got to make
the decisions best for the team, and maybe that's that's
the way you dip your toe into that decision.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
How does a kicker forget out to kick?
Speaker 7 (38:39):
You know, it's it's I'm not I'm not a kicking
guru by any means, so I don't. I don't mean
to suggest that I am. But it's a highly precise operation.
When you think about snaphold kick, they're so good at it.
The ability for a long snapper to snap it in
a way where it's eight yards deep and he's going
to hit the holder with the lace on his top
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hands so he can put it down. I mean, it's
like it's like elite stuff. And I think the same
thing goes for kicking mechanics. You know, if the foot
is the toe of the foot is you know, an
inch too wide, and that opens up your hips too much,
and then you overcompensate, you come back the other way,
you know. I think that's the kind of stuff that happens,
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not unlike a golf swing. Right, you know, you're not
hitting it right, hey, the club face is open. Then
I compensate. Now I'm hooking it. You know, all that
kind of stuff. I think that's what's going on. There's
a lot of moving parts. But nobody knows kicking more
than Justin Tucker. I mean, this is the greatest kicker
of all time. So I'm certainly hopeful that he can
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find the key because they need him coming down to stretch.
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Notre Dame will win the national title if what.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
Two things. If they continue to play great defense. A
little bit sloppier the other day against us SEE, but
they've been a fantastic defense, one of the best defenses
all year long. So if they continue to do that
and play through their defense in their running game, and
then Riley Leonard can make a couple of plays, I
think they can win. They're gonna win in an old
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school fashion, but I think they can do it.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
How does the team become tougher.
Speaker 7 (40:21):
You have to do tough things to be tougher. I
think the first thing is you got to bring the
right kind of people in. You know, there's a great
John Madden expression. He said, you know, for years in Oakland,
we weren't a good tackling team, and we worked very
hard at tackling, and then Jack Tatum was available to
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come from Ohio State, and we said, you know, we're
gonna draft Jack Tatum. He was an incredible tackler, and
all of a sudden our team became a better tackling team.
So I do think it starts with who you bring
into the building. But you have to do tough things.
And unfortunately in this day and agent in pro football,
because of the stuff talking about before with player safety,
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they've taken away the offseason program. You can't have padded practices.
All of those things that help make teams tough. You
do a lot less of that these days. But I
think you have to put pads on. I think you
have to be physical in practice. You have to compete,
challenge guys, and just make that part of who you are.
That team in Detroit that we're talking about before, Dan Campbell, Baltimore,
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Andy Reid, Jim Harball, all those teams that are tough,
the teams that are playing the best right now, they
do hard things in practice and it shows up on Sundays.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Take the money out of this, but you have to
make a decision.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Next year.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
You could start Jamis Winston or Deshaun Watson in Cleveland.
Speaker 7 (41:47):
Oh, Jamis Winston, Yeah, I think that Deshaun Watson experiment
should be over In Cleveland, and they need to move on.
I don't know how they do it, how they pay
him or don't pay them, have to navigate the situation
where you know the salary cap hit is at a minimum.
But I would absolutely play Jameis Winston. Jamis is not
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a perfect quarterback, but he's certainly revived their team, and
I just think there are too many issues with DeShawn
Deshaun was a hell of a player at one point
in his career, but he's not the same guy. And
maybe he needs another new place with not a big
two hundred and thirty two million dollars guaranteed contract to
start his career over again. But I don't think he
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should be the quarterback in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Hypothetically, have you ever been told to play somebody that
you didn't want to play.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
I don't know that I've been directly told that. To
be honest with you, there.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Is directly Have you been told?
Speaker 7 (42:50):
Yeah, I mean I think there's philosophy. You know, this
comes up with coaches sometimes. You know, older players are
more reliable. Older players have experience, they know how to play.
They can help you win in the short term, but
sometimes you got to pull back. As an organization and say,
this guy's a progress stopper. He's going to let us
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play better now, but in the long run, this guy
will play better, and we got to take our lumps.
So I think I don't know that it's been directly,
but you pull back philosophically as an organization, and sometimes
you have to make some of those decisions, and sometimes
they're right and sometimes they're wrong. The evaluation's wrong. One
of the issues I have with the NFL right now
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that I experienced a few different times, and I see
it a lot in the NFL is just because they're young,
just because we drafted them, doesn't mean they deserve to play.
They have to earn that right too. So in a
quest to be younger and play younger guys, you got
to make sure they're earning it along the way.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Good stuff, have fun on Sunday night. Thanks for joining
us as always, You're the best. Thanks Dan, that's Jason Garrett.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The college football rankings seemed to dominate the headlines from
last night. So Alabama's back in, Miami is out, and
you have.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Some buys here with Boise Steak.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
You have Oregon, SMU and Texas and that's subject to change,
all right. See poll question for the first hour is
going to be what well? I think we start with
the college football playoff. The t Doubs sent in a
couple that are fun.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Alabama will ultimately make the twelve team playoff because dot
dot dot they deserve to be in or their Alabama.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Okay, I would say it has a little bit more
to do with their Alabama.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
The brand is going to get you in.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And there was a whole lot of word salad going
on last night with Who's my guy Who's running the
playoff committee?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Ward Emmanual.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
So he was talking about these conference championship games coming
up this wen he was on with Rhys Davis and
this is what's happened. College football had conference championship games
because it was a cash grab. Now you don't have
to have that. You have a twelve team playoff, not
a four team playoff. When the four team playoff, not
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everybody was sharing in all the monies, and now you
have teams that can go to a conference championship, and
the teams and the conference's benefit, well, they don't want
to screw up what happens with the twelve team playoff
by having one of their teams lose in a conference
championship game. So it feels like they're slowly trying to
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diminish or get rid of conference championship games. So here
is ward manual the College Football Selection Committee chair.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Any team that is not playing right now, we don't
have a data point to rearrange where we have those
teams ranked, and so that is set in terms of
how we see them going into the final week of
championship week. There's nothing that's going to change, Reese for
us to evaluate them any differently than we have now.
(02:08):
Those teams who are not playing cannot be adjusted in
terms of where they are compared to other teams that
are not playing. But the championship teams, we will evaluate
that data point to determine if there's needs to be
any movement based on how the performance of the game goes.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Would you like some ranch dressing with that word solid
because I have no idea what we're talking about here.
I think it's just a polite way of saying, hey,
if you're in, we want to keep you in, just
don't get blown out. And if you're out, you got
no shot of getting in unless somebody gets blown out.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, Seeton.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
It feels like, if Paul correct me if I'm wrong,
it feels like he was saying, the teams who are
not playing this weekend, they're set. Sorry, not a lot
we could do for you, but if you are playing
this weekend, maybe we'll see some movement. It was a
lot of words to say basically that, yeah, Pump.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
I think Seaton's right. It was very He took a
long way to get there, and even Reese pushback, are
you saying that this weekend doesn't matter that much? And
he kept not saying it didn't matter, but didn't say
it mattered very much. For example, if Georgia gets waxed
by Texas, I think they can go down. Can they
go down to past Ole, miss which gets ol missing?
That's confusing. If if SMU gets loses in any way,
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I think they're out. And then a team like Miami's
back in, I think.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, it side.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
I think.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
All I know is I pushed for the twelve team PLAYFF.
We got the twelve team PLAYFF. It was going to
mean more games, had more meaning late in the season.
I got that. The other part of that I can't
be responsible for. The grown ups are supposed to take
care of that. Miami's upset. You know what, Miami, you
got upset. That's why you shouldn't be upset. You lost
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two of three. Once again, you can handle your future.
I would say control your own destiny, but you can't
do that. But you could win. If you beat Syracuse,
then we're not in this position. You lost to Syracuse. Okay,
you lost to Georgia Tech. Okay, yeah, poem.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
But Miami fans, if I'm going to be pro Miami
for a minute here, just take that play that role.
Miami lost to a Syracuse team that had eight wins
going in. They were an above average team, right, Oklahoma
got I'm sorry, Alabama got murdered not literally by Oklahoma,
and average team this year wasn't even close. Alabama's resume
in November is getting waxed against Oklahoma, beating Mercer, which
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does not count, and a decent win over Auburn. They
didn't help themselves in November. They hurt themselves.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Alabama's a brand that you used to be a brand, right,
not anymore. And you lose to Syracuse. Win the game, yes,
Syracuse is good.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Win the game.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I mean Old.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Miss looses to Florida. Florida of course, started to play
a whole lot better. I mean South Carolina might be
playing as good as anybody right now. It's not fair,
I know that, but it's not meant to be fair.
It's about entertainment. It's getting brands in there, unfortunately, but
I like that you have Boise State in there, Arizona
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State's in there, SMU's in there.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
But if I look at these conferences, SMU wasn't in
the ACC last year, Arizona State wasn't in the Big
twelve last year, Oregon wasn't in the Big ten last
year Texas. Like, we're seeing these teams that just came
into conferences winning these conferences, and I know you start
(05:44):
to look at resumes and we're eventually going to get
to the pro model. It might be the Premier League model.
I'd love to have relegation, or it might be the
NFL model. We're eventually going to get to that. There's
so much money to be made. It's just like March madness.
(06:06):
You know, when we had the commissioner or the NCAA
commissioner on Charlie Baker on he was talking about maybe
we add four more teams, six more teams. Okay, didn't
make headlines. You go to ninety six. Now all of
a sudden, you're gonna get people going, wait a minute,
it's gonna be watered down. Yes, yes it is. You
might say it's already watered down. But college football went
(06:29):
from two teams to four teams to twelve teams. And
I'm already told that we're probably going to fourteen teams
as early as next year.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
That's how quickly this is happening. Wait, aren't there contracts
in place?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Oh yeah, in pencil. They can't do that, first of all. Okay,
there's contracts put in place, so that will never happen.
This's the problem when college football people are doing. You know,
that's still a source subject with me. See, these insiders
came after me. There's there's the pageantry of the bull games,
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and I go, dude, you got a lottery ticket right
in front of you.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You're holding a lottery ticket. They're going to change college football.
What about the pageantry? What about the bowl games?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Well, wait a minute, there's contracts. I know, what about
the contracts.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You had people who were covering these meetings and missed
this story. I'm not even in there, and I was
told by an impeccable source on this. But they were
going to do with the college playoffs and it proved
to be true. And now they're going to go to
fourteen just because of the math. There's so much money
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being made here and you're discussing college This is what
they want. Just so you know, they love that you're
discussing college football.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
There's controversy. People are upset. It's not fair.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
They want you to talk about their sport. When there
were two teams playing, maybe you complained about the third team,
fourth team didn't make it the fourteen playoff, Maybe it
was the fifth team or sixteen. Now you have twelve,
and now you're talking about maybe eighteen schools that can
discuss where they should be, should they get a buy,
(08:15):
should they be in?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Why aren't they in?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Now we're going to go to fourteen, and then we're
going to go. Who knows after that, it's just going
to happen. It's trying to stay. You know in mainstream
media that you discuss this like the Heisman race is over.
There's no race whatsoever. You want to talk about what's
going to happen in college football? Alabama's going to go
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to Notre Dame right now, bingo, two brands can't go
wrong with that. You're going to have some weird matchups,
but it's going to be great. This is what college
football wants. They want you to talk. I mean, March madness.
What are you talking about? You know the sixty ninth
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team is going to complain. You're like so wide, who
cares this?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
You care?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
More teams, more schools, more opinions, more conversation, more dialogue.
That's what you want. Everybody's dwarfed by the NFL. You know,
Baseball has this golden knit bat that just came out.
Baseball just wants to be talked about Juan Soto six
hundred million dollars like that's everybody's fighting for airspace here.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
That's it. It's what you want.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You don't want to get left behind, and college football
has done a great job kind of reinventing itself and
it's just getting started.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
This is going to expand, it's it's going to.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Go in directions where you go, wait a minute, here,
what are we doing In five years from now, We're
going to look back and go, dang. College football moved
at a rapid not a glacier base. This is moving
moving fast, and that's what's happening because of the money
that's involved. Look at the NFL all player safety. How
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about an eighteenth game? Sure, oh you know, we'll have
one game in London? Okay, maybe two games. How about
one in Germany? How about one in Dublin? How about
one in Rio. It's all moving fast. Everything's moving fast. WNBA,
let's expand more teams. Everybody wants to have a team.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Caitlin Clark is to the WNBA what Gretzky was to
the NHL. He expanded hockey southern part of the United States.
Who would have thought it's because Gretzky, Caitlin Clark. Everybody
wants a franchise. Now, this is what sports is doing.
This is happening right in front of us. Now you
can say, is this the Golden Age? Well, that's an
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open to your interpretation. But this is where we're going.
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Speaker 3 (11:24):
You said, many other pole questions.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yes, you know what, how about we do it after
the break, after the Yeah, we want to control the
quarter hours.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
What we want to do. We just won one of them.
Take that.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I used to have a radio person who was always
criticizing us of how we did our show. And even
when I talked about ESPN, they go.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
You're giving away your ratings. You're talking about ESPN. I go,
I worked there for eighteen years. I used to get emails.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
You guys broke to Ely. You broke two minutes Toily.
You got to control the quarter hour. Now we gotta
just be entertaining.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I'm just I'm just doing a show. I'm just doing
a show.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Funny because those older radio bosses are like, hey, it
wasn't really like that, and our current radio bosses are like, yes,
that's exactly what you're supposed to be doing is winning
the quarter hour.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
What's wrong with you?
Speaker 7 (12:16):
Yes, break two minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
We just we none of that has changed. We just
dominated right here.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
What do you do?
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Please win quarter hours? That's how I keep my Job's
wrong with you? I don't even understand it.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I'm like, all right, whatever, you know, just tell me
when I'm supposed to go to commercial break.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
You can't talk about ESPN. I can't.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
This person thought that because I was talking about ESPN,
they were gonna tune over to ESPN Radio.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Like the listeners of our show weren't aware of ESPN
and you were alerting them to their presence.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Wait is there ESPN Radio? I'm flipping over.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
There and I'm like, oh my god, all right, we're
just getting started, just getting started. How's morale, Marvin, how
you feeling today?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Blessed beyond belief?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, you're you're ekon Husky's Gotler coming up today tonight
let's go going to be a close one.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
No more Hawaii.
Speaker 8 (13:04):
Thank goodness, you know that was I'm sure that wasn't
a fun flight back home.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Connecticut wants to be the best team in every other
state except for Hawaii.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
They don't recognize it as a state anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
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Speaker 2 (13:33):
He might be the first guest we've had on who
has been pepper sprayed, at least officially pepper sprayed. I'm
not sure recently pepper sprayed. He's Pat forty from Sports
Illustrated and he was there in Columbus, Ohio State and Michigan.
How does it feel to get pepper sprayed?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Penn?
Speaker 9 (13:51):
It doesn't taste good, Dan.
Speaker 8 (13:53):
My food review of pepper spray is not overwhelmingly positive.
It really didn't get in my eyes as much. I
was wearing glasses and maybe that'll help. But it got
in my mouth and it's it's unpleasant, that's for sure.
Mostly I was like, what the hell is actually happening here?
And then people started reeling out of there with you know,
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their eyes watering and choking and everything. I was like, Oh,
we've just been pepper sprayed. It's a new college football
achievement for me.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I you know, when's college football, so it should be
doctor pepper spray.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
You know, with the big sponsor, you can use that
if you want.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
How did it get to the point where pepper spray
was needed after that game?
Speaker 8 (14:35):
I'm not sure. It felt to me a little like
an overreaction. I mean it was it was violent in there,
for sure. I didn't get all the way into the
middle of the octagon as it were, but I mean
there were punches, kicks being thrown, people getting bloodied.
Speaker 9 (14:50):
But I thought that this could.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
Have been handled without all of a sudden guys wearing
sheriff jackets just turning around and spraying wide swaths.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
So I don't know.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
I think it was an overreaction to a couple of
teams overreacting.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Okay, does college football look at this bigger picture? We've
seen a recent outbreak in planting the flag here? Does
college football care about this? The NCAA care to act
upon this?
Speaker 8 (15:18):
Yeah, college football cares for sure, or the NCUBAA would
probably like to care. But it's basically been kicked out
of college football. The conferences don't like the look we've
served from some commissioners and some other people that think
it's a bad look. It'll be one of those you know,
January NCAA Convention, Spring Conference meetings, talking points, and they'll
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kick it around. I wouldn't be surprised if they come
up with some sort of fine structures, or if they
come up with a and it's going to be conferenced
by conference, but a legislation of like you don't bring
your flags on the road, or you got to put
your flags in the locker room with five minutes left
in the game or whatever.
Speaker 9 (15:56):
You can't have nice things, Dan, if you can't play nicely,
all right.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Your reaction to the latest rankings, I.
Speaker 8 (16:02):
Thought Miami got screwed. It's close. It's not like this is,
you know, the biggest Travis Dew we've ever seen. But
I would have had Miami ahead of Alabama. But we've
seen historically Alabama gets in the SEC, gets what it wants.
Greg sank all but planted his flag in October saying
this has to go incredibly well, and I think a
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lot of people took that as marching orders of we
better get all of our teams in that deserve to
get in, maybe even some that don't deserve to get in.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, I wonder, and I said this when it happened.
The SEC is going to get in at least three schools.
Like it almost feels like, all right, we're going to
sign up for this. We're going to play along with you,
but you better be fair to us. At the end
of the year. Alabama is getting in because of their brand.
Miami used to have a brand. They don't have a
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brand anymore. How much of a factor do you think
that that has played in.
Speaker 8 (16:58):
I think it's undeniable. I mean, I can try to
deny it, but I don't believe it. I think the
Alabama brand is so strong that losses for them seem
to matter less. Certain wins even seem to matter more.
It may just mean more. That The point where I thought,
not necessarily that the fix is in, but that they
were excessively enamored with the Alabama brand was two weeks
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ago when they beat Mercer, an FCS team had moved
up three spots. They moved up three spots in the
rankings by beating Mercer. Then they lose by three touchdowns
to Oklahoma, but Ward Manuel comes out and says, well,
Miami wasn't playing well at the end, was Alabama playing well?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
No, I don't know what goes on in those meetings.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I don't know if, like, are there directives that go
on when the committee gets together.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
We all don't know what goes on in the meetings.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
And that's one of the biggest frustrations of this really
is just a lack of real knowledge. It'd be great
to have a camera in there, to have a reporter
in there, to have something in there to tell tell
the public what actually does happen. What are the discussion points?
What you know, where are the tension points? And yes,
what are the what what's the discussion level of how's
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this going to look or how's this going to play?
Those things I would love to know, but we don't
really have an accurate summation of that.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
We also have gotten to a point where and these
commissioners know they don't want to play in a conference
championship game because of the risk it was a money
grab for these conferences. Well, now the money's available in
the twelve team playoff, they want to slowly diminish what
these conference championship games mean, certainly for the Big Ten.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And the SEC.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So how do you do that where you kind of
you can't eradicate, but how do you diminish them? Therefore,
don't you know these games don't really mean that much
other than you're going to win your conference championship, right,
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
It's a difficult one because they're addicted to the money
from that. They're addicted to the money period from all sources.
But they like the money that comes with this. They
also they like the celebration of the league court of
sort of stage that it gives them. The Big ten
networks are going to do nothing but talk about and
laud the league for two days in Indianapolis. The SEC
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network's going to do the same thing in Atlanta, the
ACC network will do the same thing in Charlotte. The
leagues like that, and they like the money. So I
don't know how you separate that and diminish the conference
championship more. I've never liked the conference championships. I thought
they were double jeopardy for the best teams, had chance
for a fluky outcome, a chance for injuries. But now
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you're right, with the playoff and the way we've got
it structured, it's even less important and probably more damaging,
although you can at least safeguard to a degree, which
I think they're trying to do here, that both teams
in your conference championship are probably getting in to the playoff.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
He's Pad forty from Sports Illustrated senior writer. The teams
that are on the bubble who could be bounced this
weekend most likely?
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Yeah, I mean Alabama's rooting hard for SMU because if
Clemson wins, Alabama theoretically could be out, but the committee
could also just find another way to keep Alabama in
and bounce SMU. So the ACC Championship game, I think
is really where it's at. The Mountain West Championship game
between Boise and UNLV is interesting, you know. I mean,
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can Boise hold on to a top four seed and
a first round by and probably kick the Big twelve
into playing a first round road game with a champion
of that league. So those are the two spots, the
ACC and the Mountain West games, I think are the
two that where there's really some actual tension about what
might happen.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
What do you think changes about the playoffs next year.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
I would suspect, whether it's next year, whether it's twenty
twenty seven, more likely that the first round buys do
not go to four conference champions, that they will go
to the four highest rank teams. I think the Big
ten and SEC will say, okay, enough of that, we
let you stay in our tournament, Big twelve in acc
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but you in Mountain West or whoever, but you're not
getting the buys, and they will try to take all of.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Those any chance. Travis Hunter wins the Heisman unanimously.
Speaker 8 (21:18):
No, I don't think so. I think there's a decent
support for Ashton Genty, who's a great player. I think
Travis Hunter wins, and probably wins by a considerable margin.
But I think Ashton Genty, and especially if he puts
up two hundred yards Friday night, you know, that'll probably
help him some more. Again, I don't think Travis Hunter loses,
but I don't think it's an absolute landslide.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, because I argued that Shador Sanders has has kind
of quietly, which is hard to say about Colorado and
being Dion Sun quietly had an unbelievable season, and that
nude can take some punishment he gets hit. Travis Hunter
is exciting and the potent show is wonderful. You know,
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I was making a case Genty and Shadoor, what they've
meant to their teams probably more valuable than Travis Hunter
is to Colorado.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Is that crazy to say?
Speaker 8 (22:13):
Well, no, I mean you can make that argument. I
would say Travis Hunter might be more valuable because he
does indeed play two positions. But Shrroy Sanders has been unbelievable.
I mean, if he's in the top three, he deserves it.
Your point about him getting hit and taking it is
well made, because that is one tough quarterback. He takes
a pounding, he gets sacked a lot, he holds the ball,
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he doesn't bail out on plays. It's impressive what he's
done this year. He's a really, really good player.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Best running back that you ever saw, I mean, Genty
is getting into that Barry Sanders territory with these numbers.
Barry did it, of course, you know, against better competition probably,
but best running back you ever saw.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
In person in college, I would say Adrian Peters, and
he was just unbelievable at Oklahoma. Now you know all time,
I mean Barry Sanders, you watched him, and it was
like watching a magician or like an adult playing with
children where nobody could just catch him. He just made
you look silly. So those two come to mind. Walter Payton,
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of course, but I didn't see him in college.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
You know.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
I love the way Walter Payton just defeated tacklers. But
genty Genty's legit.
Speaker 9 (23:25):
Man.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
He's got size and he's just got great feet, I
mean his feet. He reminds me of l Danian Tomlinson
that that comparisons maid can catch the ball as well,
and he's just he's a heck of a player.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Great to talk to you, and are you going to
the a SEC title game?
Speaker 8 (23:40):
I am, yes, gonna go see if Clemson can drop
something in the punch bowl.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
What do you think the chances are you get pepper
sprayed again? I think much lower, Okay a horseshoe, much lower.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
But I might be back in the horse shoe if
I have a first round game and I'll be bringing
protecting here.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
How safe is Ryan Day in your opinion?
Speaker 8 (24:03):
I think he's relatively safe if he wants to be safe.
If he doesn't want to go, I think he might
be willing to reconsider how much he wants to be there,
but I don't see.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Oh, hold on that.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Ryan Day may say, you know what, I don't want
to be under this microscope anymore.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's out of the question,
that this has become almost an untenable situation.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
If he can get another job that wants to pay
him ten million dollars a.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Year, what about urban Meyer coming back to Ohio State.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
Let's not I don't think so. I don't think that
would happen ross Byorck. I think the new ad there,
if he were to get the chance to make a hire,
I think he would want to establish his own sort
of signature on the program.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, because I think the people who got rid of
urban Meyer aren't there at Ohio State anymore.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
They're not.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
No, that's true. I mean it would be a fresh slate.
But I still I'm not sure. I think ross Byork
has enough ambition that he was like, I'm not bringing
back a guy that's going to be you know, just
immediately dwarf me.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
He's patent forty, he's not afraid of your pepper spray,
and he could.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Be coming to a stadium near you. Thank you, pat
Thank you. That's bad forty.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
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Speaker 2 (25:27):
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couple of weeks ago. Football Night in America analyst former
Cowboys head coach Chargers Chiefs coming up on Sunday Night
on Peacock. You can see him there as well. You
want to start college football, you want to talk NFL football.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
You're in charge.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You decide what if we use the college format, like
when we ranked teams in the NFL, and in accordance
to that, you had playoff matchups, So the Chiefs could
be playing somebody from you know, the NFC in the
playoffs as opposed to the Apes, Like who's the number
one seed? Who'd be the Oregon in the NFL? Right now,
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I still think Detroit's the Oregon. They've been really good,
they've been dominant. The concern with them though, is the
injury thing on defense. But that's a little bit of
the Florida State argument from last year.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Right you know, they win all their games, they put
their backup in they continue to win. But you know,
we don't think they're good enough. But I do think
what they've done on the field over the course of
the year. They're number one.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It feels like the Eagles are an underdog story. It
feels like Buffalo is an underdog story. How does that
happen when you're two of the three best teams in
the NFL right now?
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Well, I don't know how it happens, but they're both
really good and I love I love what Philly's done.
Philly is a really talented team across the board. If
you look at their offensive line, their defense of line,
their skill players. They're playmakers. Saquan is an MVP candidate
for me. And it's amazing what they've done. If you
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think about ten and one last year and then an
epics slide. They were horrendous at the end of last
year and there were some real issues in that organization
and for them to write the ship like they have
started two and two this year. But I give a
lot of credit to Nick Sirianni. I give a lot
of credit to Vic Fangio and Kellen Moore for on
either side of the ball. Just getting those guys playing
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the right way and playing up to their talent, and
there's a really good feeling there. I was in Buffalo
on Friday. There's an amazing feeling in Buffalo. The quarterback
is off the charts. I just love the vibe they
have in that building. And again, you know, talk about
two coaches Sirianni and McDermott, guys who are really underappreciated.
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I mean, Sean McDermott. They've won the division five years
in a row, They've been to the playoff seven out
of eight years, and I think they got a lot
of young players on that team, and they're just understanding
that winning is the most important thing, and everybody's just
diving into their roles. And of course they get the
snow game Sunday night and they go have a heck
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of a lot of fun and kind of show that
to the world. But I just love both those teams. Again,
I don't know if they're underdog stories or not, but
they're damn good.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Who does Josh Allen remind you of?
Speaker 7 (28:27):
You know, when I was I shouldn't say growing up
because he's not that much older than I am, but
I had so much admiration for John Elway. I'm in
high school, he's in college at Stanford, and then he
goes on to play in the NFL, and I'm like,
I've never seen anybody like this. His ability to run
and throw and make plays and he just was incredible.
And so when you have guys like that in your life,
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Marino Elway, some of those guys, it's like nobody can
ever compare to them. But when you pull back, I'm like,
here reminds me of a version of John ell His
ability to run the ball, throw it all over the place,
and for years he was putting buffalo on his back,
and now they're better around them and he doesn't feel
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like he has to do that all the time, but
in the big moments he does just like Elway used to.
So that would be my comparison right now, both elite,
elite players.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, I could see Cam Newton as well in there
with John Allen. I mean they run, They ran in
a more physical way than Elway did. But I don't
know if you see those comps as well well.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
Well for me with Cam, I think Cam, you know,
go back to Cam in college. I mean they're running
quarterback power, you know, I mean he's in behind these guys.
I mean it's like, you know, nineteen twenty four four
horsemen type stuff. And you know, for me, he's I
see the effectiveness as a runner like Cam. Cam I
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thought was unique that way, and I just think Josh
is I think he's a passer. His ability to throw
the ball from the pocket out in space, I just
think a cut above Cam for me throwing the ball.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
We were talking about comeback Player of the Year. Now
here's a couple of our candidates, Russell Wilson, Sam Darnold.
Now we're not talking about an injury. It's more perception.
Saquon Barkley. Could he be up for comeback Player of
the year. Out of those three, who would you pick
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or if you have another.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Well, I think there are three great candidates, and I'll
hit Russell first. If you think about what's happened with
Russell over the last couple of years, I think a
lot of people said, you know, he's probably done, He's
close to being done. I can see why Pittsburgh takes
a shot at him. Maybe they can revive him. They
don't give him a huge contract. Let's kind of see
(30:50):
what happens there and for him to play as well
as he has, and you know, the other day was big,
this was it. Hey, Pittsburgh, let's play great defense. Let's
run the ball. He threw for four hundred and fourteen
yards in that game. Now is Cincinnati good on defense?
Not really right now? So I get that, But I
thought they'd go into that game hammer them. Russell make
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a couple of big plays in the passing game, Pittsburgh
wins the game with their defense. That was not the game.
So it's not like they're winning despite him. I mean,
he's a major contributor to it. And if you think
about comeback player, where have they been? He wasn't in
a good place the last couple of years. He's revived himself.
The darnld story is fantastic, and I think it's a
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really good story for a lot of teams. When you
think about young quarterbacks, you thrust them into a situation
when they're young, it's not a real good situation. They
got to do it all themselves. They're still learning how
to play. And these guys get resurrected. And you and
I have talked about this before about Tom Brady. So
many things he's done. You know, at the highest level
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in the NFL. But for him to play till he's
forty five, for Drew Brees to play until he's forty,
Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, all of these guys. The runway
for quarterbacks is a lot longer than it used to be.
And I think, you know, the way we protect quarterbacks
these days is contributed to that. But this idea that
you can take a guy who has ability, who's the
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right kind of guy, who's been in a bad place,
and he can he can revive himself and resurrect himself.
Because these guys are going to play much longer. I
think that's an important story to tell. And I'm gonna
hit the last one because I love him to death.
The sa Quand story is just off the charts for me.
I mean, the devise of the running back. You can't
pay running backs. They're done when they're twenty seven. You know,
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watch the Eagles play. I mean, he's an incredible player,
and he might be the single most important player in
contributing to what I was talking about earlier with Philly.
He's an amazing guy. Everybody's behind him, and again, I
think beyond his ability on the field and it's production.
He's bringing energy to that organization. That's that's really making
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a difference.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Talking to Jason Garrett, NBC Football Night in America analyst,
It'll be the Chargers and the Chiefs on Sunday Night,
speaking of protecting the quarterback the Trevor Lawrence hit. Does
the NFL look at the sliding portion of this and
if so, what kind of modifications do you think the
NFL should make on them?
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Well, I think they have to look at it. Everyone
has the right intentions here, you know, player safety and
all the rules changes they've made at all positions, how
we do things in the off season, training camp, practice,
all of that, and then in relation to the quarterback.
I think these are all really good things to do.
But now you're in that little gray area that these
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quarterbacks are sliding later and later and later, they know
they're getting protected, they get to the sideline, they fake
like they're going out, and they make twenty more yards.
I mean, there's all these things, so so I think
they have to guard against that. I heard somebody saying,
you know, hey, maybe we should penalize the offensive guys.
Maybe that's the only thing you truly can do. And
(34:13):
I get that. I'm not quite there yet, but I
do think they have to allow guys to hit these
these quarterbacks, and the hit on Trevor Lawrence egregious. I
agree with the punishment all of that, but there's a
lot of gray there for the for these defensive players
and you can see them playing hesitantly. So I wouldn't
(34:36):
be opposed to some kind of penalty for a quarterback
if he if he clearly is trying to dupe the
defender and not just getting down.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I mentioned this yesterday and we were just kind of
throwing stuff against the wall. But you know when a
player is going to signal for a fair catch on
a punt, then you know you can't hit him. If
a quarterback is getting ready to slide and holds his
one hand up like you are signaling that I'm giving
myself up. Or if Patrick Mahomes is dancing down the
sidelines he doesn't put his hand.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Up, you blast him.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Can you ask a quarterback to protect himself You'll be
running with the football. You just put your hand up.
You've signified that I'm not going to keep running. It's
a white flag. What's the possibility of that being put
into play?
Speaker 7 (35:23):
I think it's a hell of an idea, I really do.
I do think it's different than a punt returner. You're
in that environment. As a punt returner, you're by yourself
as the ball goes up there, and you're really there's
no restriction on you being able to do that. Picture
some of these guys in the middle of traffic on
the sidelines. Now I got to stick my hand up.
Oh you didn't. You didn't stick your hand up. Now
(35:45):
I can blast you. I think that gets a little dicey.
I don't think that. I don't think the environment's quite
as clean. But you know, I've seen college games where
these guys start their dive early.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Well Kenny Pickett did it, and then oh god.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
That was just It's just they change the rule though, Jason,
the next week they change that rule in college football.
But you're right, but somebody's gonna blast Mahomes one of
these days because he gives that I'm going out of
bound and I'm not. I'm going to dance down the side.
You can see defenders they have no idea what to
do with Mahomes.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Yeah, and people lose sight of the fact that these
these decisions, these guys are making are happen and split seconds.
You know, we watch the replay and we say, oh,
he could have hit him, Oh he should have targeted.
I'm like, do you guys understand how fast a play
happens in football? It's ridiculous. And so you're asking these guys.
You know, the receiver who catches it and he's right there.
(36:39):
Then at the last second he drops his head six
inches and it goes from this glancing blow. Do you
hit I'm like, you know, it's really it's hard on
these guys. So I think we need to be more
understanding of that as they go forward. But I think
penalizing a guy who's intentionally doing it, I don't know
that that's a bad way to go.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
How would you handle Justin Tucker if you were his
head coach.
Speaker 7 (37:05):
I would absolutely stick with him. I'm not opposed to
bringing a guy in on the practice roster and having
a guy kick as well. You know, at the end
of the day, all decisions are made in the best
interests of the football team. And I don't care how
much success in history you have together. You know, Justin
Tucker understands that he understands that he has to make kicks.
(37:28):
So it's a little bit for me, like a lot
of people say, with these young quarterbacks, oh, if you
sit him down, he's done. John Elway said last week, Hey,
the best thing that ever happened to me was after
the fourth game my rookie year, they benched me. And
now John Elway has to respond, and he responds in
a way that he becomes one of the all time greats.
(37:51):
And so you're seeing that with Bryce Young, You're seeing
that with Anthony Richards, and these guys are responding and
if they don't respond, you got the wrong guy playing quarterback.
So I bring that up just to say, justin Tucker's
been around this league forever. He understands the Raven's got
to win. He's got to make his kicks. So so
to bring a guy in to say, hey, if we're
(38:12):
not doing this, this guy's kicking on the side. This
gives us the best chance. I don't see that as
an issue. I don't see that as a problem. But
I like what John Harbaugh's done. You stick, you stick
with him and and and you say, hey, you're our kicker.
But at some point, you know, we got to make
the decisions best for the team, and maybe that's that's
the way you dip your toe into that decision.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
How does a kicker forget out to kick?
Speaker 7 (38:39):
You know, it's it's I'm not I'm not a kicking
guru by any means, so I don't. I don't mean
to suggest that I am. But it's a highly precise operation.
When you think about snaphold kick, they're so good at it.
The ability for a long snapper to snap it in
a way where it's eight yards deep and he's going
to hit the holder with the lace on his top
(39:01):
hands so he can put it down. I mean, it's
like it's like elite stuff. And I think the same
thing goes for kicking mechanics. You know, if the foot
is the toe of the foot is you know, an
inch too wide, and that opens up your hips too much,
and then you overcompensate, you come back the other way,
you know. I think that's the kind of stuff that happens,
(39:22):
not unlike a golf swing. Right, you know, you're not
hitting it right, hey, the club face is open. Then
I compensate. Now I'm hooking it. You know, all that
kind of stuff. I think that's what's going on. There's
a lot of moving parts. But nobody knows kicking more
than Justin Tucker. I mean, this is the greatest kicker
of all time. So I'm certainly hopeful that he can
(39:43):
find the key because they need him coming down to stretch.
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Notre Dame will win the national title if what.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
Two things. If they continue to play great defense. A
little bit sloppier the other day against us SEE, but
they've been a fantastic defense, one of the best defenses
all year long. So if they continue to do that
and play through their defense in their running game, and
then Riley Leonard can make a couple of plays, I
think they can win. They're gonna win in an old
(40:14):
school fashion, but I think they can do it.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
How does the team become tougher.
Speaker 7 (40:21):
You have to do tough things to be tougher. I
think the first thing is you got to bring the
right kind of people in. You know, there's a great
John Madden expression. He said, you know, for years in Oakland,
we weren't a good tackling team, and we worked very
hard at tackling, and then Jack Tatum was available to
(40:42):
come from Ohio State, and we said, you know, we're
gonna draft Jack Tatum. He was an incredible tackler, and
all of a sudden our team became a better tackling team.
So I do think it starts with who you bring
into the building. But you have to do tough things.
And unfortunately in this day and agent in pro football,
because of the stuff talking about before with player safety,
(41:03):
they've taken away the offseason program. You can't have padded practices.
All of those things that help make teams tough. You
do a lot less of that these days. But I
think you have to put pads on. I think you
have to be physical in practice. You have to compete,
challenge guys, and just make that part of who you are.
That team in Detroit that we're talking about before, Dan Campbell, Baltimore,
(41:28):
Andy Reid, Jim Harball, all those teams that are tough,
the teams that are playing the best right now, they
do hard things in practice and it shows up on Sundays.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Take the money out of this, but you have to
make a decision.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Next year.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
You could start Jamis Winston or Deshaun Watson in Cleveland.
Speaker 7 (41:47):
Oh, Jamis Winston, Yeah, I think that Deshaun Watson experiment
should be over In Cleveland, and they need to move on.
I don't know how they do it, how they pay
him or don't pay them, have to navigate the situation
where you know the salary cap hit is at a minimum.
But I would absolutely play Jameis Winston. Jamis is not
(42:10):
a perfect quarterback, but he's certainly revived their team, and
I just think there are too many issues with DeShawn
Deshaun was a hell of a player at one point
in his career, but he's not the same guy. And
maybe he needs another new place with not a big
two hundred and thirty two million dollars guaranteed contract to
start his career over again. But I don't think he
(42:31):
should be the quarterback in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Hypothetically, have you ever been told to play somebody that
you didn't want to play.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
I don't know that I've been directly told that. To
be honest with you, there.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Is directly Have you been told?
Speaker 7 (42:50):
Yeah, I mean I think there's philosophy. You know, this
comes up with coaches sometimes. You know, older players are
more reliable. Older players have experience, they know how to play.
They can help you win in the short term, but
sometimes you got to pull back. As an organization and say,
this guy's a progress stopper. He's going to let us
(43:10):
play better now, but in the long run, this guy
will play better, and we got to take our lumps.
So I think I don't know that it's been directly,
but you pull back philosophically as an organization, and sometimes
you have to make some of those decisions, and sometimes
they're right and sometimes they're wrong. The evaluation's wrong. One
of the issues I have with the NFL right now
(43:31):
that I experienced a few different times, and I see
it a lot in the NFL is just because they're young,
just because we drafted them, doesn't mean they deserve to play.
They have to earn that right too. So in a
quest to be younger and play younger guys, you got
to make sure they're earning it along the way.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Good stuff, have fun on Sunday night. Thanks for joining
us as always, You're the best. Thanks Dan, that's Jason Garrett.
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