January 14, 2025 • 49 mins
Dan reacts to the Rams' dominant win over the Vikings. Is Sam Darnold the answer going forward for the Vikings? Cowboys insider Tim Cowlishaw discusses the Jerry Jones’ decision to part ways with Mike McCarthy and whether or not Deion Sanders could be a potential replacement. Hall of Fame QB Kurt Warner gives his two cents on Sam Darnold's future and if he thinks the Rams can beat the Eagles. Plus, Mark Sanchez reminisces on eating a hot dog on the sidelines and discusses whether or not he's a better analyst than Tom Brady.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
The Rams roll the Vikings twenty seven to nine. We
normally skew negative after a game like this because the
season is over for Minnesota. I do want to give
the Rams their props here, because just because we don't
know who some of your players are doesn't mean you
don't have a really good team. And when it comes
to that Rams defense, they're not household names like they
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were when they won a Super Bowl. They do have
some offensive firepower. They have a well known head coach.
But that was a great team performance last night, shutting
down the Vikings twenty seven to nine. They sacked Sam
Donald nine times, and you get the feeling the Rams
probably looked at what the Detroit Lions did when they
faced the Vikings the previous game, and that is we're
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going after Sam Darnald. We're going to put as much
pressure on Sam Donald as possible, and it certainly worked
against the Lions, and the blueprint worked last night. Sam
Donald was uncomfortable the entire evening and after the game
he spoke about his play. At the end of the season.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You know, I clearly just didn't play good enough the
last couple of weeks, you know, left too many throws
out there that I would usually make and got to
take better care of the football today especially, you know,
I feel like I can be a lot better in
terms of just moving on. My progression is not trying
to force anything. And but yeah, again, I give them
a lot of credit for the way they came out,
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they played and the plan that they had.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
The Rams tight an NFL playoff record with nine sacks
in a playoff game. The Titans did that in twenty
twenty one, the Chiefs nineteen ninety three, the Browns in
eighty six, the Niners back in eighty four. At the
nineteen sixty six Buffalo Bills, it felt like every time
Sam Darnald was sacked, money was coming out of his pockets.
It was like, damn, there's a there's another million dollars,
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there's another million dollars. Poor Sam, what's going on? They
put pressure on him, and I would have thought that
they would have expected this from the Rams. And the
Rams are a young team, you know, aside from Matthew Stafford,
they are one of the younger teams in the NFL.
And they are one of those teams at the end
of the year that we thought, boy, you don't want
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to face them come playoff time. It felt like them
and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Well, Tampa got kicked to
the curb. But here are the Rams, and the Rams
will have the Philadelphia Eagles coming out. And in case
you're wondering, the Rams are getting six against the Eagles,
the Texans getting seven and a half against the Chiefs.
This according to DraftKings. The Commander's getting nine and a
half against the Lions, and the Ravens are a one
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and a half point favorite against the Buffalo Bills. All right, Seaton,
pull question here, and then we'll go back to the game.
We'll also talk about the Cowboys situation with Mike McCarthy,
who is now free at last to talk to other teams,
and we'll ask the question, don't know if we have
an answer to it, will Mike McCarthy be a head
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coach in the NFL next season? All right, seton, you
know what?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Just quickly off the last night's game too.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It was so brutal.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Every time Sam Donald made a mistake or got sacked
or did something, they would immediately cut to Kevin O'Connell's face,
let's get the coach's reaction to what we just saw.
And then they would sort of pingpong back and forth
between Sam Donald's just looking shell shocked, like what's happening
and Kevin O'Connell being like, oh my god, this is awful.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Was JJ McCarthy on the sidelines because I kept thinking,
if you're gonna show sideline reaction, just give me the
quarterback and waiting here and trying to figure out, now,
what do you do because you can't throw thirty Sam
Donald had a wonderful year, maybe the comeback player of
the year, but you have thirty five touchdown passes, what
did you have twelve or thirteen interceptions? He played great.
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I would like to have seen justin Jefferson's reactions as
well with everything that was going on, because if you're
the best wide receiver in the league and you're probably
going is this as good as we can get? Because
you don't know what you have in JJ McCarthy. Now
they think they know because they drafted him high but
went out with the knee injury, and now what do
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you do with Sam Darnold, Sam Donald, apologists, Pauly PEPs.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yes, Paul Weirdly I was thinking about this. The Vikings
may have benefited by the loss yesterday because three weeks
ago they had to bring Sam Donald back, whether it
be franchise, tag or contract. Now they have the wiggle
room to move on from him, and the fan base
probably wouldn't revolt. At least this morning, they wouldn't. So
they are light winners last night. Yeah, I see where
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you going with that. That Okay, we have to keep
him too. We don't have to keep him.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And the fan base would be able to say we
saw him in a couple of big games and he
didn't do well. Look, it's going to come down to
the quarterback, win or lose. We give them credit, we
give them blame. It's more than that. Now, there are
a lot of times that quarterbacks will they have to
take the blame for sacks, and this is a situation
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where Sam Darnold has to take some of the blame.
I think they he was sacked fifty seven times this year.
You know, Russell Wilson would get sacked, Joe Burrow would
get sacked. You know, there's certain guys who get sacked
a lot. And that's you know, in large part because
you know Caleb Williams. You're trying to hold on, You're
trying to make something happen. But give credit to the
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rams that rams and if you don't have to blitz.
I mean, it's such a benefit when you just send
your defensive line and then you're back in coverage and
you put pressure. Now, this is what the Vikings were
doing prior to the last two games. Brian Flores, that
defensive coordinator. He was throwing all kinds of junk defenses,
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crazy stuff, and it worked until it didn't. Yeah, Eton.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
The if you're looking at at Sam Donald, I don't
know how you and you're you're the Vikings front office,
I don't know how you in the offseason sit justin
Jefferson down at a meeting and say we're sticking with Sam.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I just don't know how you can.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I don't really know how you can look at any
of those receivers and be like, Okay, I know those
are rough two weeks, but we're gonna stick with that.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
I just don't know how you can.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But these aren't pedestrian numbers that he put up.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Yeah, Pauling, it feels like last night he was exposed
Sam Donald as a good not great quarterback.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Maybe like Rock Party.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Has been somewhat exposed as good not great where under
optimal conditions in November, he's fantastic in a playoff situation,
there's so only so far he could take you, and
Matthew Stafford feels the opposite, like you'd ignore the regular
season on Matthew Stafford say in the playoffs, I trust
this guy.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, But there's only so many quarterbacks who truly are
game changing. You know, lamar Is and Josh Allen Is,
Patrick Mahomes, they're truly different than everybody else because you
can have you know, and you can put Joe Burrow
in there. I think. I think Joe is legitimately great,
but you still look at sort of that second tier
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and there's a big difference in that. I mean, Jalen
Hurts is a good quarterback, I don't think he's great.
Justin Herbert, I think he's a good quarterback, I don't
think he's great. There's a lot of them that are
lumped in there, but there's only a couple that you go,
oh my god, that guy with the ball game on
the line, he'll make a difference. Sam Darnold's not one
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of those guys. Kirk Cousins is not one of those guys.
Jayden Daniels is becoming one of those guys, like he's
starting to sneak into the top five of Wow. And
now let's see what he does. Because it's week by week.
Your report guard is week by week, and then we go,
all right, I'll give you an A, give you a
B minus. Sam Darnold Old, I'm gonna give you a
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D and then that's it. Then your final report card
and then you go into the off season. If you're
the Vikings, you have to be extremely confident in JJ McCarthy.
If not, you might have to say to Sam Donald,
we're gonna franchise you and pay you whatever forty four
million dollars as an insurance policy. Yes, Fritzy, it's so
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easy to.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Get caught up. I did two, fourteen and three.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
This guy is something. Look at the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
But the weight of that Lion's loss and yesterday's loss,
that's like three losses each from fourteen and three losing
those two games. But I don't know what to take
away from this with Sam Darnald, Like at the end
of the season, if you say, how did Sam Darnald.
Do you know the totality of the season, I'd say, good, good,
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Now is good worth fifty million dollars? Not to me?
But then it's not my money. But then how many
years has he earned or does he say, look, I
can benefit from the market because there's no other free
agent quarterbacks who were good or on my level that
I'm going to be able. Not everybody gets a quarterback
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and he might have to wait until the dust settles
at the draft, and then that's when a team reaches
out and says all right, And then if you get
two teams in a bidding war, then maybe Sam Donald
is making whatever three years, one twenty something like that,
And I thought that might be the direction the Vikings
were going to go in. Is put him in that
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Baker Mayfield kind of financial slot.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Yeah, Pauline, it reminds me a bunch of years ago,
maybe ten years ago. Remember Carson Palmer was on Arizona
his last stop, and he had that great twenty fifteen
season where I think they were thirteen wins and he
was an MVP candidate comeback Player of the Year, and
then he had a playoff game I think where he
threw five interceptions and it undid the entire season and
he never got it back.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
The perception here is Kevin O'Connell, the Vikings head coach,
on Sam Donald's season.
Speaker 8 (10:00):
You know, I think it's very important we all think about,
you know, Sam's body of work, what he was able
to do this year when not very many people thought
he would be able to lead a team to fourteen wins.
I'm very rare for a quarterback in their first year.
In fact, it is rare the most wins by a
first year quarterback with a team, And just the way
he came in committed himself to just that daily process
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to be the best version of himself.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
It did not work out in the end.
Speaker 8 (10:27):
I'm proud of him, proud of you know, really everybody
in that locker room.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
But Sam and the journey him and I went on
this year.
Speaker 8 (10:35):
Will always you know, be a you know something that's
a special place in my heart for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Well, you got to back your guy, man, Kevin's doing
the right thing. Sam Darnold completed sixty eight percent of
his passes and had a passer rating of one oh
six point four, thirty five touchdowns twelve interceptions through week seventeen.
Then he completed fifty three percent of his passes QB
rating of sixty six point four, had one touchdown one
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interception in his last two games. So a dramatic fall off,
And you wonder did these teams figure out something in
this situation? Now. I always like it when somebody says, well,
we got the blueprint. Well, there are certain teams that
have the people to carry out a blueprint. I can
have the blueprint to solve a Rubik's cube. That doesn't
mean I'm going to solve it. I'll be like, damn,
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how did these kids do this?
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yes, possible solution for next year for the Vikings. Play
Sam Donald in the regular season, play JJ McCarthy in
the postseason. He was great in the postseason for Michigan.
Problem solve h Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Did we come up with the pole question?
Speaker 9 (11:39):
Seaton?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I think I asked you. I don't know if we
got a couple of.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Them, Well, yeah, we got a few of them who
had a worst day yesterday, Sam Donald or Mike McCarthy. Uh,
you could argue the case that only one of them
had a bad day.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
All Right, you know what I'm going to discuss the
Cowboys situation coming up, and maybe Mike McCarthy had a
good day yesterday.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Maybe what else do you have? How about is the
Cowboys head coaching job desirable? According to Troy Aikman, No
said that last night, but I still think it is. Well,
we'll talk about him, all right. Got another one for me?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Uh sure?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
How about how much money has Sam Darnold lost in
the last two weeks?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
A ton a bunch.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Somebody's still getting paid big time.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
What if you had that metal detector guy goes out
on the field after the game. You know, those guys
are on the beach walking around like, damn, these aren't coins.
These are one hundred dollars bills that I'm picking up here.
I felt bad for him because you don't root against somebody,
and he was a good story. It just felt like
he was shell shocked when he was going back to
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pass after the fourth or fifth sack. You almost go
back going where's it coming from? And the last thing
you want to do as a quarterback is beef thinking
about getting sacked. Now, you need to know where pressures
coming from. There's a difference of where's it coming from
or which guy is gonna make me hurt? And that
was the feeling I had with the Rams last night.
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But give them credit. That's tying an NFL playoff record
with nine sacks, putting the pressure therefore taking the pressure
off the rams offense.
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Media, that's Covino and Rich. Jim kalishan Dallas Morning News
sports columnist, He's got it easy. He's always got something
to write about. And here you go, right on a platter.
All I think you wrote two columns like you're on
fire with what's going on here. So let me start
with is the Dione possibility a true possibility in your opinion?
Speaker 7 (14:53):
In my opinion, Dad, thanks for having me. I think no.
Speaker 12 (14:59):
But given that it's Jerry Jones, I'm certainly not going
to rule it out. There's something about the allure of
doing something like that that would appeal to him. However,
I just think he's going to try to find somebody,
somebody else.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
You know, when you look at Dion after two years,
what is his record of Colorado? About five hundred, barely
over it?
Speaker 12 (15:25):
And I just I don't think that's going to be
I don't think this team needs a motivator, and I
think Dion's stuff works better in.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
College than it will in the NFL. I think this
team needs a coach, and it needs different schemes, and
it needs new ideas.
Speaker 12 (15:42):
And I'm not saying Dion couldn't bring that, but I
think Dion's greatest strength works better at college players.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And you bring this up in your column. You're saying
you got to fix Dak Prescott. Tim That's going to
be difficult for a guy who's injury prone, making that
kind of money and is a pocket quarterback and is
thirty two years of age. I don't know who can
fix that.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
You find those aspects troubling, the fact that he.
Speaker 12 (16:07):
Plays it two thirds of the games. Yeah, and that's
why you know I've thrown out Cliff kings Bred. Look,
Ben Johnson is everybody's first choice, and nobody has any.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
Idea what he would be like as a head coach.
But everybody loves Detroit's offense. But you go through Detroit's offense.
Speaker 12 (16:27):
Player by player, and you know Dallas doesn't win anywhere
except maybe maybe Ceedee Lamb is a notch higher.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
Than a Mode raw, but it's not much if it
is at all. And yeah, but if you're the Cowboys,
if you're Jerry Jones, you have to hope.
Speaker 12 (16:45):
All you can do after signing back to that contract
is hope you get three or four mostly healthy years
out of him, and who who can put together the
best offense that he can thrive in.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
I think that has to be the target here.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
What happened here in the last two weeks with Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 12 (17:06):
I don't know that anything did I mean that the
fact that they'd met every day last week. You know,
I do feel for Mike McCarthy sitting through those meetings.
The sun never sets on a Jerry Jones conversation. They
just go on and on, and you know, in Jerry's world,
they didn't even get to contracts till the last day,
So I don't know what in the world they.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
They talked about.
Speaker 12 (17:30):
I think Jerry's mind was probably made up. If they
didn't do better in the playoffs this year, no matter,
no matter how that happened, he needed.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
To go in another direction. It's five years.
Speaker 12 (17:41):
It's one playoff win, one playoff win over an eight
to nineteen, So.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
You know, I don't think anything went wrong McCarthy.
Speaker 12 (17:50):
Actually, I got coached the hell out of him after
Dak left and the way they played down the stretch,
and they could have won the Cincinnati game, and they
could have won obviously, could have won the Washington game.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
But while Dak was here, there were three and five
and they were a mess. And you know, I just.
Speaker 12 (18:09):
Think after five years he had to go look for
another another voice, try something else.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Okay, but why didn't Jerry make the decision when you
had the window of opportunities to Ben Johnson.
Speaker 12 (18:20):
Because he doesn't operate that way. He likes to drag
his speed and take a week, give us headlines for
talk shows and things like that. I don't really think
I just mentioned Ben Johnson. I don't think he will
hire Ben Johnson. I don't think the quiet, soft spoken,
brainy offensive coordinator. They had one of those in Kelli Borr,
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and I don't think that's Jerry's idea of the head coach.
So I'll be if Ben Johnson becomes a serious candidate,
I would be very surprised.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Any chance that Mike McCarthy had a good day yesterday.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Yeah, I would think so.
Speaker 12 (19:02):
I mean, look, he's been here five years, so he's
made thirty five or forty million.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
He hasn't done badly here. It might be, and he
turned it down whatever it was, a one year offer
supposedly for about the same money.
Speaker 12 (19:16):
He's confident he'll get the Bear's job or another job,
or sit out a year and try again. And he's
not a bad coach. I just don't think. I don't
think he enhanced whatever his reputation was before coming here.
I don't think he enhanced it in these five years.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well, he kind of got neutered there, and I don't
know if he was ever viewed as a coach that
was submissive.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
It's always difficult here.
Speaker 12 (19:44):
Parcels is the only hire since Jimmy that Jerry has
sort of taken a couple of steps back and let
him be the head coach. You know, it's appalling to
me that, you know.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Jerry Jones does Jerry Jones does his post.
Speaker 12 (20:00):
Game press conference at home games the same time Mike
McCarthy's talking.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Of course, and there's there's like me and four.
Speaker 12 (20:06):
Other people and Mike McCarthy's roof and everybody else is
around there. Just think of what that does, not just
to the head coach, but to the signal it sends
to all the players walking out.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
They know who the authority figure.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Here is okay, Tim, If I said to Jerry Jones,
you can't talk to the media, you don't do any
more interviews for the next five years, but I'll guarantee
you you win one more Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
Oh oh.
Speaker 12 (20:35):
He's talked about how much money he says he would spend,
although he doesn't really spend it.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
That would be a difficult one.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
No radio shows, nothing.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
This man does two radio shows a week.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Then, Oh, I know, and he'd do more probably if
he could.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
I mean, he'd like to do drive time.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
He would like to host.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
Three to six Going Home with Jerry, But that would
be a yeah at this point. At this point, it
is uh, tad, you're here on this planet. I don't
think he's I don't think he's going to that. That's
too tough. Maybe here.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Oh, he couldn't do it. No, he could not do it.
He loves it, he's addicted to it, and he wants
everybody to know that he knows what he's doing. Just
trust me. I got a plan.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
It's in good hands.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Great to talk to you, as always, and probably check
in with you again soon because you're going to eventually
get a head coach here.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
They we'll have a head coach. We'll see who that is.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Thank you to all right, that's Tim cawdi Show.
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Speaker 2 (21:53):
Kurt Warner Hall of Famer, you can catch him on
NFL Networks Game Day morning. He was on the call
for Westwood One Radio Line Night with the wild Card
game between the Vikings and the Rams. Kurt, good to
see again. What did you expect pregame was going to
happen last night?
Speaker 9 (22:09):
Yeah? I wish I knew. I didn't really know what
to expect.
Speaker 13 (22:13):
You know, anytime you throw you know, everything that was
thrown at the Rams into this week, including you know, issues.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
With your family and maybe friends of yours.
Speaker 13 (22:24):
I don't think you ever really know how team is
going to respond, how they are going to grow together.
But I think Sean McVay did an unbelievable job. Give
some credit to the Cardinals. I thought they did an
unbelievable job of welcoming the Rams. And making them feel
at home. But what a performance. I mean, they came
out from the get go and they dominated that game.
And I think oftentimes when you have situations like this, Dan,
(22:44):
it goes one of two ways, right, and you find
out pretty early whether a team is ready to play
or whether their mind is on something else.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
And we saw very early that the Rams were ready
to play.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Okay, let's look at Sam Darnold because we know his
future could be at stake in Minnesota these last two games.
What did you see from Sam Darnold that you didn't
see in the other games this season.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
Well, first of all, we'll put it on the team
as a whole.
Speaker 13 (23:07):
I thought Minnesota got physically dominated in both games. So
that's the first issue is And it wasn't just upfront.
Sometimes it was on the back end with the receivers
as well. But maybe the biggest thing for me was Sam,
and I kind of saw it all year long, was
his struggles with pressure, you know, understanding when pressure is
coming and having answers for that pressure. And sometimes that
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answer isn't even just a completion, but it's just save
in some yards.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
You know.
Speaker 13 (23:31):
There was that situation in the fourth quarter last night
where they're what third and eight or something like that,
and he takes the huge sack. I mean, in that situation,
you got at least set up for a field goal.
So if nothing else, throw the football away, maybe you
go forward on fourth down because you're in that situation.
But there's too many times this year of him just
holding and taking negative plays, and those negative plays are
just hard to overcome. So that, to me was probably
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the biggest issue that I saw. And then you have
to ask yourself with the question, as I know everybody is,
is okay if you want to keep him around? What
does that look like? What kind of commitment do you
have to make to him? And you know, in those
big games, the two biggest games of the year, he
didn't play very well. Are you willing to you know,
commit to him long term?
Speaker 9 (24:13):
You know? After seeing that?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
All right, I'll ask you play GM, would you keep
Sam Darnold if the price is right?
Speaker 13 (24:22):
I would say yes, I would keep the prices right.
I think the question would be how long do I
have to keep him? And then the other factor, dan
is I don't really know what we have in JJ McCarthy,
Like I didn't see him in preseason I didn't.
Speaker 9 (24:33):
Know where he was. I don't know if you know
the Vikings.
Speaker 13 (24:35):
Were ready to start him after that one preseason game,
or if you know they hadn't seen enough and Sam
was the guy. So I feel like after watching him
this year, they've got a good enough team that they
need a guy at that position to make them competitive.
Speaker 9 (24:50):
Sam made them.
Speaker 13 (24:51):
More than competitive all year long. But that, to me
is the question. I don't really know what you have
in JJ McCarthy. I didn't see enough in college. I
didn't see enough with the Vikings to know for sure.
If you feel like you have enough, then absolutely not,
you go with JJ and you move forward. But if
you're not sure, I think it's hard to let a
guy that did that well out of the building and
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you say, Okay, so we saw one flaw or we
saw a flaw with our team.
Speaker 9 (25:16):
We need to fix that flaw.
Speaker 13 (25:18):
But if we do, we've got this quarterback that played
at a really, really high level.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Okay, but is this fixable. You're talking about pressure, Well,
every quarterback faces pressure. The difference is you welcomed pressure.
He seemed to be unnerved or very nerved by it,
like oh my god. And then you start to kind
of get out of your comfort zone. So can you
fix what you saw the last two games?
Speaker 9 (25:44):
Dan? I wish I knew the answer to that, but
I'm with you.
Speaker 13 (25:46):
I think there are some people that in that moment,
when pressure's on them, high stakes, they can just slow
the game down and make the right decision. I made
a comment about Jayden Daniels from the night before, and
what I love about Jaden Daniels is he makes the
right decision in the moment, even if he doesn't see it,
even if something's not open, He'll throw the football away,
you know, he'll take off and make a two or
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three yard gain instead of taking these sacks. And here's
a rookie that we're seeing do this. And so I've
always wondered if that's something that truly can be taught.
You know, when you've got pressure around you, or when
the game speeds up, can you slow it down and
have that answer? I think, you know, I think for
the most part, if you're good at it, you're good
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at it.
Speaker 9 (26:29):
Do I think you can help a quarterback.
Speaker 13 (26:31):
Sure, you can help them by giving them some answers,
But I don't know if that's something that all of a.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
Sudden, we're going to see a quarterback that's not.
Speaker 13 (26:37):
Good against pressure become great against pressure. I'm not sure
that's something that that you can really learn.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
How threatening are the Rams.
Speaker 13 (26:47):
I think they're they're scary, and I think they're scary
in a game where they can win the line of
scrimmage and not to me.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
But you're going against the Eagles now exactly, and so
that to me is where I feel like the Rams
could struggle a little bit as upfront.
Speaker 13 (27:04):
You know, if they can handle it up front. They
obviously have playmakers. They've got a young front. I mean,
nine sacks last night by eight different guys. They've got
lots of guys that can.
Speaker 9 (27:12):
Get after the quarterback. I just don't think Philly is
going to play that sort of game.
Speaker 13 (27:17):
So I think they are a dangerous team based on
what Matthew Staffer can do, the weapons that they have,
but it has to be more their way of playing football,
and I'm not sure.
Speaker 9 (27:26):
They're going to be able to dictate that against Philly.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
He's the Hall of Famer Kurt Warner. You can see
him on NFL Game Day Mornings with Rich Eisending Company.
He was on the call last night the Vikings and
the Rams. If I said, you can have Jade and
Daniels moving forward or justin Herbert.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
Oh, I'm taking Jade Daniels. I mean, no, no doubt
about it. I mean, I just I've seen that young
man play.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
It's quarterback Kurt.
Speaker 9 (27:56):
Maybe just outside of that.
Speaker 13 (27:58):
But I'm probably only saying that because because he's a rookie, right.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
And because you know, against one year and one body
of work.
Speaker 13 (28:04):
But if I stacked up all the things that he
does well and put him up against the top five
quarterbacks in the league, it would be hard for me
to find five guys that do all the things as
well as Jayden Daniels has done this year, the critical moments,
handed on pressure, just the consistency of his technique, the
red zone. You know, normally you have struggles in the
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red zone because everything gets tighter. He has been phenomenal
in the red zone, last two minutes of games and
critical moments like it would be hard to probably find
five guys that have played consistently better than him all
year long.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I think you were twenty eight when you were a rookie.
Speaker 9 (28:41):
Weren't you my first year playing? Yes, I was twenty Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, twenty eight the Bills in the Ravens and both
of these quarterbacks trying not to do too much, Like
you almost have to say to yourself, Okay, I still
got to be that same person that I've been all
season longer my career. But sometimes you want to play
outside of yourself. And sometimes we've seen where you know
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you're you're your own worst enemy. So how do you
have that seat belt on that says just stay within
yourself here?
Speaker 13 (29:15):
I think the biggest thing, Dan is you don't predetermine
that you're gonna do something that maybe the situation doesn't dictate.
You know, like if you drop back and you're telling yourself, hey,
I'm gonna take off here if I see any kind
of a window as opposed to reading the play and
then taking off when the play dictates that, that, to
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me is the key is you have to play the play.
But the easy thing to do is, oh, I need
to make a big play right here, So I'm gonna
go back and I'm going to throw this deep one.
You know, if I get any scenario like you can't
talk yourself into doing things that the situation doesn't dictate.
Speaker 9 (29:52):
For you to do, and I'm sure you know. You
know me, I wasn't a runner.
Speaker 13 (29:55):
I couldn't move, So my dictating was, you know, saying
I'm gonna kind of a deeper throw or make a
bigger play than was out there. For these guys, it's
taken off and creating, you know, instead of you know,
winning with their arm.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
It's like, hey, I can go back.
Speaker 13 (30:09):
And you see these guys do this at times where
they hit their back foot and they're already taken off
to run.
Speaker 9 (30:15):
Because they felt something.
Speaker 13 (30:16):
And in those situations, I almost feel like it's you're
dictating that ahead of time. I know this is a pass,
but if I drop back and I see something, I'm
just gonna take off and run instead of allowing the
situation to play out for you. And I think that's
what you have to fight. The more talented you are,
the more things you can do, the more you have
to fight that and say, play within myself, play within
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what the play dictates, and don't try to do too much.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Not always an easy thing to do, but that to
me is the key is play.
Speaker 13 (30:44):
Play to play and don't allow those thoughts to get
in your head, you know, ahead of time to dictate
how you're going to play.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
How desirable is the Cowboys, John.
Speaker 13 (30:55):
I mean, I think it's always desirable from the standpoint
that you know, if you win as a Dallas Cowboy,
if you have success as the Dallas Cowboy, you're going
to get notoriety and you're going to have you know,
that platform that I think you know, every player and
every coach covets.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
Right when you get to this level.
Speaker 13 (31:13):
You want to know that when you play, you're going
to be on TV and what you do is going
to be.
Speaker 9 (31:19):
Going to be focused on around the league. But you know,
I think everybody's talked about it.
Speaker 13 (31:24):
There's the negative side to that as well, because we
have this perception that the Cowboys are supposed to win championships,
even though it hasn't been. It's been thirty years since
they've won championships. So, like Mike McCarthy, you win a
lot in the regular season, not good enough, not good enough,
not good enough, And then we always talk about the
second factor is you've got an owner that wants to
be out in the forefront and the owner saying things
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that you know, as a coach, you're like, I don't
want anybody saying that, you know, I want to keep
this stuff in house. I want to be able to
lead here. And you've got to fight your ownership a
little bit in what they're saying and deal with that.
So you know, those two factors I think can can
make it a tough job. But I don't think anybody
you know that wants to be a head coach is
going to turn down the opportunity to be a head
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coach of the Dallas Cowboys because you know what that means.
If you believe in yourself and you have success, what
that can mean.
Speaker 9 (32:15):
For your career.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Good to talk to you is always thank you.
Speaker 9 (32:19):
I'm going to talk to you too. Thank you, buddy,
Thank you buddy.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's Kurt Warner.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (32:33):
We make lay for our friend. He's Mark Sanchez Fox
Sports joining us on the program. How good are the
Rams cool?
Speaker 14 (32:42):
I think they're an excellent young team that is peaking
at the right time. And stude I already forgot Sorry,
Good morning, DNTs And where are you six six?
Speaker 6 (32:56):
I'm in Hawaii. Actually, my wife's we got two.
Speaker 14 (33:00):
We got twins on the way, so we're doing a
little trip before she can't travel anymore. And then, uh,
we'll be in dad mode and wife mode and baby
mode for for most of the offseason. So this is
our chance to get away. But I'm not gonna miss
you guys. Sixty three coach. I'm getting a little heavy
by the end of the season. I've been eating a
little too much. I don't read on the sidelines. I
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eat hot dogs on the sidelines, and I'm probably like
two right now, so I need.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
To trim up. Oh wow, Okay, but Rady shout you
out though, Mark with the Yeah, I remember seeing it.
Speaker 14 (33:34):
Eating text during the game. I text her during the
game and he texted me back like a quarter later,
just with one.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Of those funny emojis. Yeah, you know, messing around with
each other.
Speaker 14 (33:42):
But it's uh, it's been cool to watch, you know,
And when you see other players doing what you're doing
and watch them grow throughout the season, it's, uh, it's
pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Okay, go back to eating the hot dog. Yeah, so
you you blew out the Raiders. Yeah, and you're eating
a hot dog on the sideline. Did you catch any
heat from anybody.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Oh my god.
Speaker 14 (34:04):
Yeah, So we we win three straight. This is my
rookie year. We win three straight. Then we lose like
four straight. We go to California. I'm back home. It's
in Oakland. We're playing the Raiders at the Old Coliseum,
and my whole family's coming to the game. My mom
actually got a beer dumped on her by a Raiders
fan that game because we were beating him so bad.
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And my brothers almost went to jail because they had
to like throw this guy off over her. It was crazy.
It was crazy, like classic Raiders game. So then I
wouldn't I couldn't eat. Like the night before and the
day of, I was just like so in my head
and so upset and couldn't figure out what was going on,
why we're losing, you know, trying to get better whatever,
and I just didn't eat. So those guys on the
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sidelines that have white shirts and blue shorts, they have
like one little NFL logo. They're like kind of like
ball boys. They do like water stuff whatever, And so
I just looked at one of them and I go, hey,
did you got any food?
Speaker 6 (34:59):
Because I got pulled out the game.
Speaker 14 (35:00):
I said, do you have any food and he's like,
you mean like a power bar or like a something
like that. I was like, I don't know anything. Can
you run up to concessions. I'll take a hot dog,
I'll take a burger, like whatever you got. He goes, yeah, dude,
i'll get I'll grab you a dog. And so he
ran up, goes and gets a hot dog. Is he's
running away, I'm like, yo, grabs the mustard, gets the mustard.
And then you see the whole deal where you know
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Dan Dierdorf and it was Gumble I think Gumble Rip
was calling the game, but they they had the camera
on me.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
And they caught me.
Speaker 14 (35:33):
But back to your question about the Rams, because I've
had them a couple of times this year. I'm so
impressed with Chris Shula and this defensive coordinator. You know,
you lose your defensive coordinator Raheem Morris to Atlanta and
he takes over the job.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
And people think like, oh, yeah, first year.
Speaker 14 (35:49):
Well he's been there for eight years with Sean McVay
knows exactly what this offense is, what this team looks like,
how it's supposed to fit together, and the way they've
drafted and developed. You got it, you know, tip your
caps a less need and this defensive staff because it's incredible.
I mean Byron Young at one point he was working
at like a dollar General and then ended up getting
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his chance to play at Tennessee wherever he went, and
he wears the number zero, he said, because that's how
many people believed in me. And this dude's making great
plays out there. Whether you get Kobe Turner from wake
Forest who was originally at Richmond, then goes to wake
Forest for his senior year, the dude's a captain for
the La Rams defense his second year in the league. Like,
that's pretty impressive stuff. And then you put in these
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two rookies that Reek Taboc last year on the Florida
State defense that basically had him undefeated, and it's you know,
fisk and verse, and so they were able to generate
pressure without bringing five or six players a lot. They
did it occasionally, you saw the Kobe Durant pressure. But
when you can do it with four, that's a defensive
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coordinator's dream. You could just sit back, play coverage, generate
your pressure with four and force that quarterback to get
rid of the ball. You got plenty of guys in coverage,
and I mean, you got to give them all there do.
They really really played well in that game. And to
Stafford's point, you were talking about all those yards, It
wasn't gonna be that kind of day. It wasn't gonna
be a throw for three to fifty type day. Five touchdowns,
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you know, yeah, thirty five of forty, it's not that day.
And for him to understand the formula toll win that
football game the way we're gonna get after him on defense.
That's what they talk about when you say complimentary football.
That's what they're talking about. When teams understand that, know
how to play that game. And sometimes it's time to
just cut eight, move on with your life. You don't
have to take the shot downfield. And obviously Matthew Stafford
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knows that.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Okay, but let me look at the Viking situation. You
just got manhandled by the lines the previous game. You know,
the Rams are gonna look at that blueprint and say,
all right, let's just see can we bring four and
put pressure on him and make him uncomfortable. We had
Kurt Warner on last tower and Kurt said, hey, I
wasn't mobile, but I knew when to get rid of
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the ball. Sacks are not all created equal here, so
what should the Vikings have done to mitigate the damage
or certainly the pressure on Sam.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Okay, this is an extreme example, but remember in the
game when Stafford.
Speaker 14 (38:19):
Dumps the ball out, Yeah, and people, oh, it's intentional grounding.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Intentional grounding. Do you understand.
Speaker 14 (38:28):
His level of understoning all of his where all of
his pieces are at all times, and being able to
get hit close your eyes, still have that picture in
your head of exactly where all the chess pieces are,
and to just flip that ball out knowing you're going
to get the ball where you're supposed to get the ball.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
I'm not getting sack. I am not.
Speaker 14 (38:50):
I refuse to take negative plays. So sometimes when you'd
see you know, even Peyton Manning Tom Brady immediately catch
the ball, boom, it's not right and either fall down
instead of going back another five yards, or literally just
rifle the ball at somebody's ankle.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
You're like, what the hell was that? Well, they know
it's not worth it. You got me.
Speaker 14 (39:10):
I know when to hold them, I know when to
fold them. Kenny Rodgers right like the gambler. I know
how to play this game and those kind of things
are where Stafford is operating at an elite level, and
Sam is still learning some of those things.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
And it's tough because some of those are on him.
Speaker 14 (39:30):
Some of those he could have got the ball out earlier.
And in big games like that, we say this all
the time, you know, I think Pete Carroll was incredible
about reminding us of these big moments, and all the
commercials and all the hype surrounding this game makes this
game feel bigger. Same size field, same size ball, same
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rules except for overtime. So what are we doing? We
go back to our fundamentals. We know when to get
rid of the ball, we know when to hold them,
when to fold them. Let's go play some ball and Sam,
you know, unfortunately he's just got to got to continue
to learn.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
But the hell of a year.
Speaker 14 (40:06):
I just feel bad because the last two games, that
recency bias is going to crush him when it comes
to you know, contract negotiations this offseason, that that knocked
them down a couple of rungs.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
But you know, clearly he can play. Now you get
to that next level.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
If you're Minnesota, do you like what what do you think? Sam,
Donald's future is where is it?
Speaker 14 (40:26):
Well, I think now it might be better for Minnesota financially,
you know, because you start negotiating at a different number
than you might have if he won the last two games, right,
or he would have won. To love sat out this year, Yeah,
sure that you totally can if you love McCarthy and
then you got to bring in another veteran, or you
keep Daniel Jones who's on the roster and have him
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be your veteran and then potentially be like Sam Donald
next year. Like there's they have plenty of options. The
big the big questions are all the free agents they
got on defense. I think Joe Buck might have said
it last night, but I think Mattellis is the only
one in that back end in their secondary and linebacker
group that's even on contract.
Speaker 6 (41:07):
For the next year.
Speaker 14 (41:07):
So they got like six free agents there there were
a critical part of their success. So I think it's
not just a quarterback. There's Kevin O'Connell shown he can
play well with a lot of different quarterbacks already, whether
it's you know the past or not, whether it's Kirk Cousins,
whether it's Sam Darnold.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
You know, they can do. He can do it.
Speaker 14 (41:28):
So now it's okay, how do we win that first
playoff game? They got to get out of the wildcard
round or get the first round by and win a
divisional They just got to win a playoff game, and
then you know, what are we doing on defense?
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Who's going to play for us at quarterback? I think
those are great questions.
Speaker 14 (41:41):
But now I think if anything, if anybody has the leverage,
it might be Minnesota a little more than.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Sam Mark Sanchez father and waiting joining us on from
a Fox Sports. You know you're competitive guy, Tom Brady
is Tom Brady, But do you feel you're a better
analyst than whoa whoa whoa whoa?
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Careful now careful listen? And I hope Tom would pay.
Speaker 14 (42:07):
But you got you feel like I feel like if
you're if you're playing quarterback, or if you're going to
compete at anything, you got to feel like you're the best,
or you shouldn't be doing it in my opinion, But
that's just the way I was reard.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
That's just kind of the way you know, we grew up.
Speaker 14 (42:21):
When you step into the booth, you step in between
the white lines, you step on the court, you're the
baddest dude out there. And if you don't think like that,
it's not gonna go well and it's not even worth
your time. So of course I think, you know, I
can do this better than anybody. But I'm sure Troy
Aigman thinks that. I'm sure Tom Brady thinks that, and
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they're all really really good. And at the end of
the day too, when it comes to, you know, this
announcing game, it's a little different than you know, as
as a quarterback. You have a record next to your name,
you have a completion percentage, you know, you throw for yards, touchdowns,
you get all these stats. Wasn't an announcer. You get
a bunch of opinions about either you're good or not. Well,
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what makes you good? I don't know. You might like
chocolate ice cream. I might like vanilla ice cream. We
both think they're good, so you know what I mean.
So it's pretty subjective when you get to the announcing stuff.
The thing that I do appreciate though, and this is
kind of a fox thing that I've really you know,
leaned into and looked up and kind of researched.
Speaker 6 (43:23):
But like when McMillan and.
Speaker 14 (43:26):
Madden and you know, all these old school broadcasters were
together on the Fox team, they would collaborate because what
happens is you have crossover tape.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
So think about it.
Speaker 14 (43:35):
You have a sixteen to eighteen game season, and you
Paul the New Orleans Saints week two, and then you
have the New Orleans Saints at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
week eighteen. Well, if you haven't seen New Orleans for
sixteen weeks, that is a completely different ball club. And
those narratives going into week two have changed in week eighteen.
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So it was interesting before the last game of the
season together actually in the same place by happenstance. But
I see Tom and he's working out. I'm working out,
and he's like, Hey, I got the Saints. You just
called their game this past weekend in New Orleans. What's
the work. Talk to me about him a little bit.
You had him versus the commander's boom. Now he's got
the commander. So we're just talking and sharing ideas and stuff,
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and hey, man, here's what I saw, Here's where I
think they got to get better. Here's what they're having
problems with, Here's what they.
Speaker 7 (44:25):
Do really well.
Speaker 14 (44:25):
And this, this to me is their formula to win,
you know, so when you watch the tape, i'd keep
an eye on stuff like that, and he does the
same thing in you know, back.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
And forth and building. Good. But but who can bench more?
Between you and Tom Brady?
Speaker 6 (44:37):
Good bench more?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (44:39):
Oh, man, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
No, he's he's he's all about it last y.
Speaker 14 (44:45):
Yeah, he's not a big like bench Yeah, he's not
a big yeah. Pliability, all the bands and stuff. Yeah,
I'll tell you what he was.
Speaker 6 (44:52):
Getting it in that workout, though.
Speaker 9 (44:53):
Bro.
Speaker 14 (44:55):
I walked into the gym and I was like, I
need a stretch. I just got off a flight, I
had just arrived. I walked in with a pizza and sandals,
and my man's over there like full Billy blanks, like
ty Bo going hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
I was like whoa. And then I finally realized it
with him. I was like, who is this guy?
Speaker 7 (45:13):
Like?
Speaker 6 (45:13):
What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (45:14):
Sorry?
Speaker 7 (45:14):
Got it?
Speaker 6 (45:15):
What's up? Dude?
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Does Tom have a bunch of guys around him? They
remind him how Grady looks like.
Speaker 14 (45:21):
No, no, no, he's you know, he's got a he's
got a he's got a good group of people.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
And you know the trainer.
Speaker 14 (45:27):
You know he's got I'm over there just thinking back
to my old workouts, like, yeah, I think I'm supposed
to do.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
That's why you weigh too forty two Mark Easy.
Speaker 6 (45:36):
We're not body shaving here, We're not body shaving. This
is okayd of Dad bod. This is a father figure.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Okay, Yeah, that's hot. Uh, final minute here. Cowboys job
is blank. The Cowboys job is.
Speaker 6 (45:53):
Blank, interesting, wild available.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
I mean, those aren't compliments.
Speaker 9 (46:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (46:09):
I don't know who's best suited to take that job.
Speaker 14 (46:11):
Because if you go Dion, I think there's like he's
started to catch up to that learning curve of coaching
in college and clearly made progress. Right you can you
can tangibly see like there's more wins than the year before.
He got good players there. He knows how to motivate
those kind of things. He's gonna need some really good
coordinators if he's gonna stay that same mode. Unless he
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just goes hardcore coordinate the offense or coordinate the defense,
he's gonna be more of a delegator when it comes
to responsibilities coordinating wise. So I love that it'll give
them a ton of attention it'll give them, you know,
it'll that star will be shining awfully bright, which I
know Jerry likes.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
But if we're talking.
Speaker 14 (46:53):
About somebody who's maybe a little more plug and play
and obviously less media fodder and less you know, stuff
like that, less energy that way, I mean, how about
a guy who grew up in the building, who's done
so well for you, who's over in Philly in your division,
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light in the world on fire and killing more. I mean,
I'm just I just don't know if they do it,
because it almost admits that they made a mistake by
letting him go and keeping McCarthy at that point, right,
So either way, this defense, I mean, you're gonna blow
up this defense no matter what you're paying, Dack, you're
paying CD might want to figure out how to dispurge
some of that money a little bit. Got to revamp
(47:35):
the whole line a little bit, but that defense was
gonna get blown up no matter what.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
I mean.
Speaker 9 (47:39):
They were.
Speaker 6 (47:39):
They were hard to watch at times. They give up
a lot of big plays.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Before I let you go. The Bill's Ravens game comes
down to.
Speaker 6 (47:48):
Turnovers.
Speaker 14 (47:48):
If Josh Allen takes care of the ball the way
he does, and the way he's running it. That was
their only achilles heel these last few years in the playoffs.
It would be one bad fumble, one miss down the
field trying to force the ball. If he plays turnover
free football, which Joe Brady's got him doing. Their offensive coordinator,
it's and you notice they're using Cook a lot more
(48:11):
at the running back spot, not just running the ball,
but catching the ball in the backfield. Josh has really
stepped up his game and it's really just cutting down
the mistakes and eliminating those turnovers. You look at a Stafford,
you look at Josh Allen. The guys that play the
best this time of the year, take care of the football.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Safe travels, good luck.
Speaker 6 (48:29):
We appreciate you, buddy.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
The twins coming up and you got named.
Speaker 14 (48:35):
No, I'd like a poll question on that though, because
they're identical twin girls. So we're gonna need, you know,
some good ones. Giselle, my son wants to name him
Fish and Chips. I told him that's a tough sell.
Please meet my daughter Fish Like, what so I need
(48:57):
Fritzy on that. I need I need the boys helping
out of the day.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
No, I don't think you don't need Fritzy on that. No,
you don't, we'll come up with something. Yeah, thank you, Mark,
appreciate you guys. Mark Sanchanz
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
The Rams roll the Vikings twenty seven to nine. We
normally skew negative after a game like this because the
season is over for Minnesota. I do want to give
the Rams their props here, because just because we don't
know who some of your players are doesn't mean you
don't have a really good team. And when it comes
to that Rams defense, they're not household names like they
(00:27):
were when they won a Super Bowl. They do have
some offensive firepower. They have a well known head coach.
But that was a great team performance last night, shutting
down the Vikings twenty seven to nine. They sacked Sam
Donald nine times, and you get the feeling the Rams
probably looked at what the Detroit Lions did when they
faced the Vikings the previous game, and that is we're
(00:49):
going after Sam Darnald. We're going to put as much
pressure on Sam Donald as possible, and it certainly worked
against the Lions, and the blueprint worked last night. Sam
Donald was uncomfortable the entire evening and after the game
he spoke about his play. At the end of the season.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You know, I clearly just didn't play good enough the
last couple of weeks, you know, left too many throws
out there that I would usually make and got to
take better care of the football today especially, you know,
I feel like I can be a lot better in
terms of just moving on. My progression is not trying
to force anything. And but yeah, again, I give them
a lot of credit for the way they came out,
(01:29):
they played and the plan that they had.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
The Rams tight an NFL playoff record with nine sacks
in a playoff game. The Titans did that in twenty
twenty one, the Chiefs nineteen ninety three, the Browns in
eighty six, the Niners back in eighty four. At the
nineteen sixty six Buffalo Bills, it felt like every time
Sam Darnald was sacked, money was coming out of his pockets.
It was like, damn, there's a there's another million dollars,
(01:55):
there's another million dollars. Poor Sam, what's going on? They
put pressure on him, and I would have thought that
they would have expected this from the Rams. And the
Rams are a young team, you know, aside from Matthew Stafford,
they are one of the younger teams in the NFL.
And they are one of those teams at the end
of the year that we thought, boy, you don't want
(02:17):
to face them come playoff time. It felt like them
and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Well, Tampa got kicked to
the curb. But here are the Rams, and the Rams
will have the Philadelphia Eagles coming out. And in case
you're wondering, the Rams are getting six against the Eagles,
the Texans getting seven and a half against the Chiefs.
This according to DraftKings. The Commander's getting nine and a
half against the Lions, and the Ravens are a one
(02:40):
and a half point favorite against the Buffalo Bills. All right, Seaton,
pull question here, and then we'll go back to the game.
We'll also talk about the Cowboys situation with Mike McCarthy,
who is now free at last to talk to other teams,
and we'll ask the question, don't know if we have
an answer to it, will Mike McCarthy be a head
(03:00):
coach in the NFL next season? All right, seton, you
know what?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Just quickly off the last night's game too.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It was so brutal.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Every time Sam Donald made a mistake or got sacked
or did something, they would immediately cut to Kevin O'Connell's face,
let's get the coach's reaction to what we just saw.
And then they would sort of pingpong back and forth
between Sam Donald's just looking shell shocked, like what's happening
and Kevin O'Connell being like, oh my god, this is awful.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Was JJ McCarthy on the sidelines because I kept thinking,
if you're gonna show sideline reaction, just give me the
quarterback and waiting here and trying to figure out, now,
what do you do because you can't throw thirty Sam
Donald had a wonderful year, maybe the comeback player of
the year, but you have thirty five touchdown passes, what
did you have twelve or thirteen interceptions? He played great.
(03:55):
I would like to have seen justin Jefferson's reactions as
well with everything that was going on, because if you're
the best wide receiver in the league and you're probably
going is this as good as we can get? Because
you don't know what you have in JJ McCarthy. Now
they think they know because they drafted him high but
went out with the knee injury, and now what do
(04:18):
you do with Sam Darnold, Sam Donald, apologists, Pauly PEPs.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yes, Paul Weirdly I was thinking about this. The Vikings
may have benefited by the loss yesterday because three weeks
ago they had to bring Sam Donald back, whether it
be franchise, tag or contract. Now they have the wiggle
room to move on from him, and the fan base
probably wouldn't revolt. At least this morning, they wouldn't. So
they are light winners last night. Yeah, I see where
(04:45):
you going with that. That Okay, we have to keep
him too. We don't have to keep him.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And the fan base would be able to say we
saw him in a couple of big games and he
didn't do well. Look, it's going to come down to
the quarterback, win or lose. We give them credit, we
give them blame. It's more than that. Now, there are
a lot of times that quarterbacks will they have to
take the blame for sacks, and this is a situation
(05:11):
where Sam Darnold has to take some of the blame.
I think they he was sacked fifty seven times this year.
You know, Russell Wilson would get sacked, Joe Burrow would
get sacked. You know, there's certain guys who get sacked
a lot. And that's you know, in large part because
you know Caleb Williams. You're trying to hold on, You're
trying to make something happen. But give credit to the
(05:33):
rams that rams and if you don't have to blitz.
I mean, it's such a benefit when you just send
your defensive line and then you're back in coverage and
you put pressure. Now, this is what the Vikings were
doing prior to the last two games. Brian Flores, that
defensive coordinator. He was throwing all kinds of junk defenses,
(05:54):
crazy stuff, and it worked until it didn't. Yeah, Eton.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
The if you're looking at at Sam Donald, I don't
know how you and you're you're the Vikings front office,
I don't know how you in the offseason sit justin
Jefferson down at a meeting and say we're sticking with Sam.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I just don't know how you can.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I don't really know how you can look at any
of those receivers and be like, Okay, I know those
are rough two weeks, but we're gonna stick with that.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
I just don't know how you can.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But these aren't pedestrian numbers that he put up.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Yeah, Pauling, it feels like last night he was exposed
Sam Donald as a good not great quarterback.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Maybe like Rock Party.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Has been somewhat exposed as good not great where under
optimal conditions in November, he's fantastic in a playoff situation,
there's so only so far he could take you, and
Matthew Stafford feels the opposite, like you'd ignore the regular
season on Matthew Stafford say in the playoffs, I trust
this guy.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, But there's only so many quarterbacks who truly are
game changing. You know, lamar Is and Josh Allen Is,
Patrick Mahomes, they're truly different than everybody else because you
can have you know, and you can put Joe Burrow
in there. I think. I think Joe is legitimately great,
but you still look at sort of that second tier
(07:18):
and there's a big difference in that. I mean, Jalen
Hurts is a good quarterback, I don't think he's great.
Justin Herbert, I think he's a good quarterback, I don't
think he's great. There's a lot of them that are
lumped in there, but there's only a couple that you go,
oh my god, that guy with the ball game on
the line, he'll make a difference. Sam Darnold's not one
(07:38):
of those guys. Kirk Cousins is not one of those guys.
Jayden Daniels is becoming one of those guys, like he's
starting to sneak into the top five of Wow. And
now let's see what he does. Because it's week by week.
Your report guard is week by week, and then we go,
all right, I'll give you an A, give you a
B minus. Sam Darnold Old, I'm gonna give you a
(08:01):
D and then that's it. Then your final report card
and then you go into the off season. If you're
the Vikings, you have to be extremely confident in JJ McCarthy.
If not, you might have to say to Sam Donald,
we're gonna franchise you and pay you whatever forty four
million dollars as an insurance policy. Yes, Fritzy, it's so
(08:21):
easy to.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Get caught up. I did two, fourteen and three.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
This guy is something. Look at the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
But the weight of that Lion's loss and yesterday's loss,
that's like three losses each from fourteen and three losing
those two games. But I don't know what to take
away from this with Sam Darnald, Like at the end
of the season, if you say, how did Sam Darnald.
Do you know the totality of the season, I'd say, good, good,
(08:49):
Now is good worth fifty million dollars? Not to me?
But then it's not my money. But then how many
years has he earned or does he say, look, I
can benefit from the market because there's no other free
agent quarterbacks who were good or on my level that
I'm going to be able. Not everybody gets a quarterback
(09:09):
and he might have to wait until the dust settles
at the draft, and then that's when a team reaches
out and says all right, And then if you get
two teams in a bidding war, then maybe Sam Donald
is making whatever three years, one twenty something like that,
And I thought that might be the direction the Vikings
were going to go in. Is put him in that
(09:29):
Baker Mayfield kind of financial slot.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Yeah, Pauline, it reminds me a bunch of years ago,
maybe ten years ago. Remember Carson Palmer was on Arizona
his last stop, and he had that great twenty fifteen
season where I think they were thirteen wins and he
was an MVP candidate comeback Player of the Year, and
then he had a playoff game I think where he
threw five interceptions and it undid the entire season and
he never got it back.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
The perception here is Kevin O'Connell, the Vikings head coach,
on Sam Donald's season.
Speaker 8 (10:00):
You know, I think it's very important we all think about,
you know, Sam's body of work, what he was able
to do this year when not very many people thought
he would be able to lead a team to fourteen wins.
I'm very rare for a quarterback in their first year.
In fact, it is rare the most wins by a
first year quarterback with a team, And just the way
he came in committed himself to just that daily process
(10:23):
to be the best version of himself.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
It did not work out in the end.
Speaker 8 (10:27):
I'm proud of him, proud of you know, really everybody
in that locker room.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
But Sam and the journey him and I went on
this year.
Speaker 8 (10:35):
Will always you know, be a you know something that's
a special place in my heart for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Well, you got to back your guy, man, Kevin's doing
the right thing. Sam Darnold completed sixty eight percent of
his passes and had a passer rating of one oh
six point four, thirty five touchdowns twelve interceptions through week seventeen.
Then he completed fifty three percent of his passes QB
rating of sixty six point four, had one touchdown one
(11:01):
interception in his last two games. So a dramatic fall off,
And you wonder did these teams figure out something in
this situation? Now. I always like it when somebody says, well,
we got the blueprint. Well, there are certain teams that
have the people to carry out a blueprint. I can
have the blueprint to solve a Rubik's cube. That doesn't
mean I'm going to solve it. I'll be like, damn,
(11:22):
how did these kids do this?
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yes, possible solution for next year for the Vikings. Play
Sam Donald in the regular season, play JJ McCarthy in
the postseason. He was great in the postseason for Michigan.
Problem solve h Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Did we come up with the pole question?
Speaker 9 (11:39):
Seaton?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I think I asked you. I don't know if we
got a couple of.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Them, Well, yeah, we got a few of them who
had a worst day yesterday, Sam Donald or Mike McCarthy. Uh,
you could argue the case that only one of them
had a bad day.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
All Right, you know what I'm going to discuss the
Cowboys situation coming up, and maybe Mike McCarthy had a
good day yesterday.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Maybe what else do you have? How about is the
Cowboys head coaching job desirable? According to Troy Aikman, No
said that last night, but I still think it is. Well,
we'll talk about him, all right. Got another one for me?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Uh sure?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
How about how much money has Sam Darnold lost in
the last two weeks?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
A ton a bunch.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Somebody's still getting paid big time.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
What if you had that metal detector guy goes out
on the field after the game. You know, those guys
are on the beach walking around like, damn, these aren't coins.
These are one hundred dollars bills that I'm picking up here.
I felt bad for him because you don't root against somebody,
and he was a good story. It just felt like
he was shell shocked when he was going back to
(12:50):
pass after the fourth or fifth sack. You almost go
back going where's it coming from? And the last thing
you want to do as a quarterback is beef thinking
about getting sacked. Now, you need to know where pressures
coming from. There's a difference of where's it coming from
or which guy is gonna make me hurt? And that
was the feeling I had with the Rams last night.
(13:13):
But give them credit. That's tying an NFL playoff record
with nine sacks, putting the pressure therefore taking the pressure
off the rams offense.
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Media, that's Covino and Rich. Jim kalishan Dallas Morning News
sports columnist, He's got it easy. He's always got something
to write about. And here you go, right on a platter.
All I think you wrote two columns like you're on
fire with what's going on here. So let me start
with is the Dione possibility a true possibility in your opinion?
Speaker 7 (14:53):
In my opinion, Dad, thanks for having me. I think no.
Speaker 12 (14:59):
But given that it's Jerry Jones, I'm certainly not going
to rule it out. There's something about the allure of
doing something like that that would appeal to him. However,
I just think he's going to try to find somebody,
somebody else.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
You know, when you look at Dion after two years,
what is his record of Colorado? About five hundred, barely
over it?
Speaker 12 (15:25):
And I just I don't think that's going to be
I don't think this team needs a motivator, and I
think Dion's stuff works better in.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
College than it will in the NFL. I think this
team needs a coach, and it needs different schemes, and
it needs new ideas.
Speaker 12 (15:42):
And I'm not saying Dion couldn't bring that, but I
think Dion's greatest strength works better at college players.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And you bring this up in your column. You're saying
you got to fix Dak Prescott. Tim That's going to
be difficult for a guy who's injury prone, making that
kind of money and is a pocket quarterback and is
thirty two years of age. I don't know who can
fix that.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
You find those aspects troubling, the fact that he.
Speaker 12 (16:07):
Plays it two thirds of the games. Yeah, and that's
why you know I've thrown out Cliff kings Bred. Look,
Ben Johnson is everybody's first choice, and nobody has any.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
Idea what he would be like as a head coach.
But everybody loves Detroit's offense. But you go through Detroit's offense.
Speaker 12 (16:27):
Player by player, and you know Dallas doesn't win anywhere
except maybe maybe Ceedee Lamb is a notch higher.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
Than a Mode raw, but it's not much if it
is at all. And yeah, but if you're the Cowboys,
if you're Jerry Jones, you have to hope.
Speaker 12 (16:45):
All you can do after signing back to that contract
is hope you get three or four mostly healthy years
out of him, and who who can put together the
best offense that he can thrive in.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
I think that has to be the target here.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
What happened here in the last two weeks with Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 12 (17:06):
I don't know that anything did I mean that the
fact that they'd met every day last week. You know,
I do feel for Mike McCarthy sitting through those meetings.
The sun never sets on a Jerry Jones conversation. They
just go on and on, and you know, in Jerry's world,
they didn't even get to contracts till the last day,
So I don't know what in the world they.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
They talked about.
Speaker 12 (17:30):
I think Jerry's mind was probably made up. If they
didn't do better in the playoffs this year, no matter,
no matter how that happened, he needed.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
To go in another direction. It's five years.
Speaker 12 (17:41):
It's one playoff win, one playoff win over an eight
to nineteen, So.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
You know, I don't think anything went wrong McCarthy.
Speaker 12 (17:50):
Actually, I got coached the hell out of him after
Dak left and the way they played down the stretch,
and they could have won the Cincinnati game, and they
could have won obviously, could have won the Washington game.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
But while Dak was here, there were three and five
and they were a mess. And you know, I just.
Speaker 12 (18:09):
Think after five years he had to go look for
another another voice, try something else.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Okay, but why didn't Jerry make the decision when you
had the window of opportunities to Ben Johnson.
Speaker 12 (18:20):
Because he doesn't operate that way. He likes to drag
his speed and take a week, give us headlines for
talk shows and things like that. I don't really think
I just mentioned Ben Johnson. I don't think he will
hire Ben Johnson. I don't think the quiet, soft spoken,
brainy offensive coordinator. They had one of those in Kelli Borr,
(18:43):
and I don't think that's Jerry's idea of the head coach.
So I'll be if Ben Johnson becomes a serious candidate,
I would be very surprised.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Any chance that Mike McCarthy had a good day yesterday.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Yeah, I would think so.
Speaker 12 (19:02):
I mean, look, he's been here five years, so he's
made thirty five or forty million.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
He hasn't done badly here. It might be, and he
turned it down whatever it was, a one year offer
supposedly for about the same money.
Speaker 12 (19:16):
He's confident he'll get the Bear's job or another job,
or sit out a year and try again. And he's
not a bad coach. I just don't think. I don't
think he enhanced whatever his reputation was before coming here.
I don't think he enhanced it in these five years.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well, he kind of got neutered there, and I don't
know if he was ever viewed as a coach that
was submissive.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
It's always difficult here.
Speaker 12 (19:44):
Parcels is the only hire since Jimmy that Jerry has
sort of taken a couple of steps back and let
him be the head coach. You know, it's appalling to
me that, you know.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Jerry Jones does Jerry Jones does his post.
Speaker 12 (20:00):
Game press conference at home games the same time Mike
McCarthy's talking.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Of course, and there's there's like me and four.
Speaker 12 (20:06):
Other people and Mike McCarthy's roof and everybody else is
around there. Just think of what that does, not just
to the head coach, but to the signal it sends
to all the players walking out.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
They know who the authority figure.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Here is okay, Tim, If I said to Jerry Jones,
you can't talk to the media, you don't do any
more interviews for the next five years, but I'll guarantee
you you win one more Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
Oh oh.
Speaker 12 (20:35):
He's talked about how much money he says he would spend,
although he doesn't really spend it.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
That would be a difficult one.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
No radio shows, nothing.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
This man does two radio shows a week.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Then, Oh, I know, and he'd do more probably if
he could.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
I mean, he'd like to do drive time.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
He would like to host.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
Three to six Going Home with Jerry, But that would
be a yeah at this point. At this point, it
is uh, tad, you're here on this planet. I don't
think he's I don't think he's going to that. That's
too tough. Maybe here.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Oh, he couldn't do it. No, he could not do it.
He loves it, he's addicted to it, and he wants
everybody to know that he knows what he's doing. Just
trust me. I got a plan.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
It's in good hands.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Great to talk to you, as always, and probably check
in with you again soon because you're going to eventually
get a head coach here.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
They we'll have a head coach. We'll see who that is.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Thank you to all right, that's Tim cawdi Show.
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Speaker 2 (21:53):
Kurt Warner Hall of Famer, you can catch him on
NFL Networks Game Day morning. He was on the call
for Westwood One Radio Line Night with the wild Card
game between the Vikings and the Rams. Kurt, good to
see again. What did you expect pregame was going to
happen last night?
Speaker 9 (22:09):
Yeah? I wish I knew. I didn't really know what
to expect.
Speaker 13 (22:13):
You know, anytime you throw you know, everything that was
thrown at the Rams into this week, including you know, issues.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
With your family and maybe friends of yours.
Speaker 13 (22:24):
I don't think you ever really know how team is
going to respond, how they are going to grow together.
But I think Sean McVay did an unbelievable job. Give
some credit to the Cardinals. I thought they did an
unbelievable job of welcoming the Rams. And making them feel
at home. But what a performance. I mean, they came
out from the get go and they dominated that game.
And I think oftentimes when you have situations like this, Dan,
(22:44):
it goes one of two ways, right, and you find
out pretty early whether a team is ready to play
or whether their mind is on something else.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
And we saw very early that the Rams were ready
to play.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Okay, let's look at Sam Darnold because we know his
future could be at stake in Minnesota these last two games.
What did you see from Sam Darnold that you didn't
see in the other games this season.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
Well, first of all, we'll put it on the team
as a whole.
Speaker 13 (23:07):
I thought Minnesota got physically dominated in both games. So
that's the first issue is And it wasn't just upfront.
Sometimes it was on the back end with the receivers
as well. But maybe the biggest thing for me was Sam,
and I kind of saw it all year long, was
his struggles with pressure, you know, understanding when pressure is
coming and having answers for that pressure. And sometimes that
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answer isn't even just a completion, but it's just save
in some yards.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
You know.
Speaker 13 (23:31):
There was that situation in the fourth quarter last night
where they're what third and eight or something like that,
and he takes the huge sack. I mean, in that situation,
you got at least set up for a field goal.
So if nothing else, throw the football away, maybe you
go forward on fourth down because you're in that situation.
But there's too many times this year of him just
holding and taking negative plays, and those negative plays are
just hard to overcome. So that, to me was probably
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the biggest issue that I saw. And then you have
to ask yourself with the question, as I know everybody is,
is okay if you want to keep him around? What
does that look like? What kind of commitment do you
have to make to him? And you know, in those
big games, the two biggest games of the year, he
didn't play very well. Are you willing to you know,
commit to him long term?
Speaker 9 (24:13):
You know? After seeing that?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
All right, I'll ask you play GM, would you keep
Sam Darnold if the price is right?
Speaker 13 (24:22):
I would say yes, I would keep the prices right.
I think the question would be how long do I
have to keep him? And then the other factor, dan
is I don't really know what we have in JJ McCarthy,
Like I didn't see him in preseason I didn't.
Speaker 9 (24:33):
Know where he was. I don't know if you know
the Vikings.
Speaker 13 (24:35):
Were ready to start him after that one preseason game,
or if you know they hadn't seen enough and Sam
was the guy. So I feel like after watching him
this year, they've got a good enough team that they
need a guy at that position to make them competitive.
Speaker 9 (24:50):
Sam made them.
Speaker 13 (24:51):
More than competitive all year long. But that, to me
is the question. I don't really know what you have
in JJ McCarthy. I didn't see enough in college. I
didn't see enough with the Vikings to know for sure.
If you feel like you have enough, then absolutely not,
you go with JJ and you move forward. But if
you're not sure, I think it's hard to let a
guy that did that well out of the building and
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you say, Okay, so we saw one flaw or we
saw a flaw with our team.
Speaker 9 (25:16):
We need to fix that flaw.
Speaker 13 (25:18):
But if we do, we've got this quarterback that played
at a really, really high level.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Okay, but is this fixable. You're talking about pressure, Well,
every quarterback faces pressure. The difference is you welcomed pressure.
He seemed to be unnerved or very nerved by it,
like oh my god. And then you start to kind
of get out of your comfort zone. So can you
fix what you saw the last two games?
Speaker 9 (25:44):
Dan? I wish I knew the answer to that, but
I'm with you.
Speaker 13 (25:46):
I think there are some people that in that moment,
when pressure's on them, high stakes, they can just slow
the game down and make the right decision. I made
a comment about Jayden Daniels from the night before, and
what I love about Jaden Daniels is he makes the
right decision in the moment, even if he doesn't see it,
even if something's not open, He'll throw the football away,
you know, he'll take off and make a two or
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three yard gain instead of taking these sacks. And here's
a rookie that we're seeing do this. And so I've
always wondered if that's something that truly can be taught.
You know, when you've got pressure around you, or when
the game speeds up, can you slow it down and
have that answer? I think, you know, I think for
the most part, if you're good at it, you're good
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at it.
Speaker 9 (26:29):
Do I think you can help a quarterback.
Speaker 13 (26:31):
Sure, you can help them by giving them some answers,
But I don't know if that's something that all of a.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
Sudden, we're going to see a quarterback that's not.
Speaker 13 (26:37):
Good against pressure become great against pressure. I'm not sure
that's something that that you can really learn.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
How threatening are the Rams.
Speaker 13 (26:47):
I think they're they're scary, and I think they're scary
in a game where they can win the line of
scrimmage and not to me.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
But you're going against the Eagles now exactly, and so
that to me is where I feel like the Rams
could struggle a little bit as upfront.
Speaker 13 (27:04):
You know, if they can handle it up front. They
obviously have playmakers. They've got a young front. I mean,
nine sacks last night by eight different guys. They've got
lots of guys that can.
Speaker 9 (27:12):
Get after the quarterback. I just don't think Philly is
going to play that sort of game.
Speaker 13 (27:17):
So I think they are a dangerous team based on
what Matthew Staffer can do, the weapons that they have,
but it has to be more their way of playing football,
and I'm not sure.
Speaker 9 (27:26):
They're going to be able to dictate that against Philly.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
He's the Hall of Famer Kurt Warner. You can see
him on NFL Game Day Mornings with Rich Eisending Company.
He was on the call last night the Vikings and
the Rams. If I said, you can have Jade and
Daniels moving forward or justin Herbert.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
Oh, I'm taking Jade Daniels. I mean, no, no doubt
about it. I mean, I just I've seen that young
man play.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
It's quarterback Kurt.
Speaker 9 (27:56):
Maybe just outside of that.
Speaker 13 (27:58):
But I'm probably only saying that because because he's a rookie, right.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
And because you know, against one year and one body
of work.
Speaker 13 (28:04):
But if I stacked up all the things that he
does well and put him up against the top five
quarterbacks in the league, it would be hard for me
to find five guys that do all the things as
well as Jayden Daniels has done this year, the critical moments,
handed on pressure, just the consistency of his technique, the
red zone. You know, normally you have struggles in the
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red zone because everything gets tighter. He has been phenomenal
in the red zone, last two minutes of games and
critical moments like it would be hard to probably find
five guys that have played consistently better than him all
year long.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I think you were twenty eight when you were a rookie.
Speaker 9 (28:41):
Weren't you my first year playing? Yes, I was twenty Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, twenty eight the Bills in the Ravens and both
of these quarterbacks trying not to do too much, Like
you almost have to say to yourself, Okay, I still
got to be that same person that I've been all
season longer my career. But sometimes you want to play
outside of yourself. And sometimes we've seen where you know
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you're you're your own worst enemy. So how do you
have that seat belt on that says just stay within
yourself here?
Speaker 13 (29:15):
I think the biggest thing, Dan is you don't predetermine
that you're gonna do something that maybe the situation doesn't dictate.
You know, like if you drop back and you're telling yourself, hey,
I'm gonna take off here if I see any kind
of a window as opposed to reading the play and
then taking off when the play dictates that, that, to
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me is the key is you have to play the play.
But the easy thing to do is, oh, I need
to make a big play right here, So I'm gonna
go back and I'm going to throw this deep one.
You know, if I get any scenario like you can't
talk yourself into doing things that the situation doesn't dictate.
Speaker 9 (29:52):
For you to do, and I'm sure you know. You
know me, I wasn't a runner.
Speaker 13 (29:55):
I couldn't move, So my dictating was, you know, saying
I'm gonna kind of a deeper throw or make a
bigger play than was out there. For these guys, it's
taken off and creating, you know, instead of you know,
winning with their arm.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
It's like, hey, I can go back.
Speaker 13 (30:09):
And you see these guys do this at times where
they hit their back foot and they're already taken off
to run.
Speaker 9 (30:15):
Because they felt something.
Speaker 13 (30:16):
And in those situations, I almost feel like it's you're
dictating that ahead of time. I know this is a pass,
but if I drop back and I see something, I'm
just gonna take off and run instead of allowing the
situation to play out for you. And I think that's
what you have to fight. The more talented you are,
the more things you can do, the more you have
to fight that and say, play within myself, play within
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what the play dictates, and don't try to do too much.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Not always an easy thing to do, but that to
me is the key is play.
Speaker 13 (30:44):
Play to play and don't allow those thoughts to get
in your head, you know, ahead of time to dictate
how you're going to play.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
How desirable is the Cowboys, John.
Speaker 13 (30:55):
I mean, I think it's always desirable from the standpoint
that you know, if you win as a Dallas Cowboy,
if you have success as the Dallas Cowboy, you're going
to get notoriety and you're going to have you know,
that platform that I think you know, every player and
every coach covets.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
Right when you get to this level.
Speaker 13 (31:13):
You want to know that when you play, you're going
to be on TV and what you do is going
to be.
Speaker 9 (31:19):
Going to be focused on around the league. But you know,
I think everybody's talked about it.
Speaker 13 (31:24):
There's the negative side to that as well, because we
have this perception that the Cowboys are supposed to win championships,
even though it hasn't been. It's been thirty years since
they've won championships. So, like Mike McCarthy, you win a
lot in the regular season, not good enough, not good enough,
not good enough, And then we always talk about the
second factor is you've got an owner that wants to
be out in the forefront and the owner saying things
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that you know, as a coach, you're like, I don't
want anybody saying that, you know, I want to keep
this stuff in house. I want to be able to
lead here. And you've got to fight your ownership a
little bit in what they're saying and deal with that.
So you know, those two factors I think can can
make it a tough job. But I don't think anybody
you know that wants to be a head coach is
going to turn down the opportunity to be a head
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coach of the Dallas Cowboys because you know what that means.
If you believe in yourself and you have success, what
that can mean.
Speaker 9 (32:15):
For your career.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Good to talk to you is always thank you.
Speaker 9 (32:19):
I'm going to talk to you too. Thank you, buddy,
Thank you buddy.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's Kurt Warner.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
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Speaker 2 (32:33):
We make lay for our friend. He's Mark Sanchez Fox
Sports joining us on the program. How good are the
Rams cool?
Speaker 14 (32:42):
I think they're an excellent young team that is peaking
at the right time. And stude I already forgot Sorry,
Good morning, DNTs And where are you six six?
Speaker 6 (32:56):
I'm in Hawaii. Actually, my wife's we got two.
Speaker 14 (33:00):
We got twins on the way, so we're doing a
little trip before she can't travel anymore. And then, uh,
we'll be in dad mode and wife mode and baby
mode for for most of the offseason. So this is
our chance to get away. But I'm not gonna miss
you guys. Sixty three coach. I'm getting a little heavy
by the end of the season. I've been eating a
little too much. I don't read on the sidelines. I
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eat hot dogs on the sidelines, and I'm probably like
two right now, so I need.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
To trim up. Oh wow, Okay, but Rady shout you
out though, Mark with the Yeah, I remember seeing it.
Speaker 14 (33:34):
Eating text during the game. I text her during the
game and he texted me back like a quarter later,
just with one.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Of those funny emojis. Yeah, you know, messing around with
each other.
Speaker 14 (33:42):
But it's uh, it's been cool to watch, you know,
And when you see other players doing what you're doing
and watch them grow throughout the season, it's, uh, it's
pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Okay, go back to eating the hot dog. Yeah, so
you you blew out the Raiders. Yeah, and you're eating
a hot dog on the sideline. Did you catch any
heat from anybody.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Oh my god.
Speaker 14 (34:04):
Yeah, So we we win three straight. This is my
rookie year. We win three straight. Then we lose like
four straight. We go to California. I'm back home. It's
in Oakland. We're playing the Raiders at the Old Coliseum,
and my whole family's coming to the game. My mom
actually got a beer dumped on her by a Raiders
fan that game because we were beating him so bad.
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And my brothers almost went to jail because they had
to like throw this guy off over her. It was crazy.
It was crazy, like classic Raiders game. So then I
wouldn't I couldn't eat. Like the night before and the
day of, I was just like so in my head
and so upset and couldn't figure out what was going on,
why we're losing, you know, trying to get better whatever,
and I just didn't eat. So those guys on the
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sidelines that have white shirts and blue shorts, they have
like one little NFL logo. They're like kind of like
ball boys. They do like water stuff whatever, And so
I just looked at one of them and I go, hey,
did you got any food?
Speaker 6 (34:59):
Because I got pulled out the game.
Speaker 14 (35:00):
I said, do you have any food and he's like,
you mean like a power bar or like a something
like that. I was like, I don't know anything. Can
you run up to concessions. I'll take a hot dog,
I'll take a burger, like whatever you got. He goes, yeah, dude,
i'll get I'll grab you a dog. And so he
ran up, goes and gets a hot dog. Is he's
running away, I'm like, yo, grabs the mustard, gets the mustard.
And then you see the whole deal where you know
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Dan Dierdorf and it was Gumble I think Gumble Rip
was calling the game, but they they had the camera
on me.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
And they caught me.
Speaker 14 (35:33):
But back to your question about the Rams, because I've
had them a couple of times this year. I'm so
impressed with Chris Shula and this defensive coordinator. You know,
you lose your defensive coordinator Raheem Morris to Atlanta and
he takes over the job.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
And people think like, oh, yeah, first year.
Speaker 14 (35:49):
Well he's been there for eight years with Sean McVay
knows exactly what this offense is, what this team looks like,
how it's supposed to fit together, and the way they've
drafted and developed. You got it, you know, tip your
caps a less need and this defensive staff because it's incredible.
I mean Byron Young at one point he was working
at like a dollar General and then ended up getting
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his chance to play at Tennessee wherever he went, and
he wears the number zero, he said, because that's how
many people believed in me. And this dude's making great
plays out there. Whether you get Kobe Turner from wake
Forest who was originally at Richmond, then goes to wake
Forest for his senior year, the dude's a captain for
the La Rams defense his second year in the league. Like,
that's pretty impressive stuff. And then you put in these
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two rookies that Reek Taboc last year on the Florida
State defense that basically had him undefeated, and it's you know,
fisk and verse, and so they were able to generate
pressure without bringing five or six players a lot. They
did it occasionally, you saw the Kobe Durant pressure. But
when you can do it with four, that's a defensive
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coordinator's dream. You could just sit back, play coverage, generate
your pressure with four and force that quarterback to get
rid of the ball. You got plenty of guys in coverage,
and I mean, you got to give them all there do.
They really really played well in that game. And to
Stafford's point, you were talking about all those yards, It
wasn't gonna be that kind of day. It wasn't gonna
be a throw for three to fifty type day. Five touchdowns,
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you know, yeah, thirty five of forty, it's not that day.
And for him to understand the formula toll win that
football game the way we're gonna get after him on defense.
That's what they talk about when you say complimentary football.
That's what they're talking about. When teams understand that, know
how to play that game. And sometimes it's time to
just cut eight, move on with your life. You don't
have to take the shot downfield. And obviously Matthew Stafford
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knows that.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Okay, but let me look at the Viking situation. You
just got manhandled by the lines the previous game. You know,
the Rams are gonna look at that blueprint and say,
all right, let's just see can we bring four and
put pressure on him and make him uncomfortable. We had
Kurt Warner on last tower and Kurt said, hey, I
wasn't mobile, but I knew when to get rid of
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the ball. Sacks are not all created equal here, so
what should the Vikings have done to mitigate the damage
or certainly the pressure on Sam.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Okay, this is an extreme example, but remember in the
game when Stafford.
Speaker 14 (38:19):
Dumps the ball out, Yeah, and people, oh, it's intentional grounding.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Intentional grounding. Do you understand.
Speaker 14 (38:28):
His level of understoning all of his where all of
his pieces are at all times, and being able to
get hit close your eyes, still have that picture in
your head of exactly where all the chess pieces are,
and to just flip that ball out knowing you're going
to get the ball where you're supposed to get the ball.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
I'm not getting sack. I am not.
Speaker 14 (38:50):
I refuse to take negative plays. So sometimes when you'd
see you know, even Peyton Manning Tom Brady immediately catch
the ball, boom, it's not right and either fall down
instead of going back another five yards, or literally just
rifle the ball at somebody's ankle.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
You're like, what the hell was that? Well, they know
it's not worth it. You got me.
Speaker 14 (39:10):
I know when to hold them, I know when to
fold them. Kenny Rodgers right like the gambler. I know
how to play this game and those kind of things
are where Stafford is operating at an elite level, and
Sam is still learning some of those things.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
And it's tough because some of those are on him.
Speaker 14 (39:30):
Some of those he could have got the ball out earlier.
And in big games like that, we say this all
the time, you know, I think Pete Carroll was incredible
about reminding us of these big moments, and all the
commercials and all the hype surrounding this game makes this
game feel bigger. Same size field, same size ball, same
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rules except for overtime. So what are we doing? We
go back to our fundamentals. We know when to get
rid of the ball, we know when to hold them,
when to fold them. Let's go play some ball and Sam,
you know, unfortunately he's just got to got to continue
to learn.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
But the hell of a year.
Speaker 14 (40:06):
I just feel bad because the last two games, that
recency bias is going to crush him when it comes
to you know, contract negotiations this offseason, that that knocked
them down a couple of rungs.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
But you know, clearly he can play. Now you get
to that next level.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
If you're Minnesota, do you like what what do you think? Sam,
Donald's future is where is it?
Speaker 14 (40:26):
Well, I think now it might be better for Minnesota financially,
you know, because you start negotiating at a different number
than you might have if he won the last two games, right,
or he would have won. To love sat out this year, Yeah,
sure that you totally can if you love McCarthy and
then you got to bring in another veteran, or you
keep Daniel Jones who's on the roster and have him
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be your veteran and then potentially be like Sam Donald
next year. Like there's they have plenty of options. The
big the big questions are all the free agents they
got on defense. I think Joe Buck might have said
it last night, but I think Mattellis is the only
one in that back end in their secondary and linebacker
group that's even on contract.
Speaker 6 (41:07):
For the next year.
Speaker 14 (41:07):
So they got like six free agents there there were
a critical part of their success. So I think it's
not just a quarterback. There's Kevin O'Connell shown he can
play well with a lot of different quarterbacks already, whether
it's you know the past or not, whether it's Kirk Cousins,
whether it's Sam Darnold.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
You know, they can do. He can do it.
Speaker 14 (41:28):
So now it's okay, how do we win that first
playoff game? They got to get out of the wildcard
round or get the first round by and win a
divisional They just got to win a playoff game, and
then you know, what are we doing on defense?
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Who's going to play for us at quarterback? I think
those are great questions.
Speaker 14 (41:41):
But now I think if anything, if anybody has the leverage,
it might be Minnesota a little more than.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Sam Mark Sanchez father and waiting joining us on from
a Fox Sports. You know you're competitive guy, Tom Brady
is Tom Brady, But do you feel you're a better
analyst than whoa whoa whoa whoa?
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Careful now careful listen? And I hope Tom would pay.
Speaker 14 (42:07):
But you got you feel like I feel like if
you're if you're playing quarterback, or if you're going to
compete at anything, you got to feel like you're the best,
or you shouldn't be doing it in my opinion, But
that's just the way I was reard.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
That's just kind of the way you know, we grew up.
Speaker 14 (42:21):
When you step into the booth, you step in between
the white lines, you step on the court, you're the
baddest dude out there. And if you don't think like that,
it's not gonna go well and it's not even worth
your time. So of course I think, you know, I
can do this better than anybody. But I'm sure Troy
Aigman thinks that. I'm sure Tom Brady thinks that, and
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they're all really really good. And at the end of
the day too, when it comes to, you know, this
announcing game, it's a little different than you know, as
as a quarterback. You have a record next to your name,
you have a completion percentage, you know, you throw for yards, touchdowns,
you get all these stats. Wasn't an announcer. You get
a bunch of opinions about either you're good or not. Well,
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what makes you good? I don't know. You might like
chocolate ice cream. I might like vanilla ice cream. We
both think they're good, so you know what I mean.
So it's pretty subjective when you get to the announcing stuff.
The thing that I do appreciate though, and this is
kind of a fox thing that I've really you know,
leaned into and looked up and kind of researched.
Speaker 6 (43:23):
But like when McMillan and.
Speaker 14 (43:26):
Madden and you know, all these old school broadcasters were
together on the Fox team, they would collaborate because what
happens is you have crossover tape.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
So think about it.
Speaker 14 (43:35):
You have a sixteen to eighteen game season, and you
Paul the New Orleans Saints week two, and then you
have the New Orleans Saints at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
week eighteen. Well, if you haven't seen New Orleans for
sixteen weeks, that is a completely different ball club. And
those narratives going into week two have changed in week eighteen.
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So it was interesting before the last game of the
season together actually in the same place by happenstance. But
I see Tom and he's working out. I'm working out,
and he's like, Hey, I got the Saints. You just
called their game this past weekend in New Orleans. What's
the work. Talk to me about him a little bit.
You had him versus the commander's boom. Now he's got
the commander. So we're just talking and sharing ideas and stuff,
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and hey, man, here's what I saw, Here's where I
think they got to get better. Here's what they're having
problems with, Here's what they.
Speaker 7 (44:25):
Do really well.
Speaker 14 (44:25):
And this, this to me is their formula to win,
you know, so when you watch the tape, i'd keep
an eye on stuff like that, and he does the
same thing in you know, back.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
And forth and building. Good. But but who can bench more?
Between you and Tom Brady?
Speaker 6 (44:37):
Good bench more?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (44:39):
Oh, man, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
No, he's he's he's all about it last y.
Speaker 14 (44:45):
Yeah, he's not a big like bench Yeah, he's not
a big yeah. Pliability, all the bands and stuff. Yeah,
I'll tell you what he was.
Speaker 6 (44:52):
Getting it in that workout, though.
Speaker 9 (44:53):
Bro.
Speaker 14 (44:55):
I walked into the gym and I was like, I
need a stretch. I just got off a flight, I
had just arrived. I walked in with a pizza and sandals,
and my man's over there like full Billy blanks, like
ty Bo going hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
I was like whoa. And then I finally realized it
with him. I was like, who is this guy?
Speaker 7 (45:13):
Like?
Speaker 6 (45:13):
What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (45:14):
Sorry?
Speaker 7 (45:14):
Got it?
Speaker 6 (45:15):
What's up? Dude?
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Does Tom have a bunch of guys around him? They
remind him how Grady looks like.
Speaker 14 (45:21):
No, no, no, he's you know, he's got a he's
got a he's got a good group of people.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
And you know the trainer.
Speaker 14 (45:27):
You know he's got I'm over there just thinking back
to my old workouts, like, yeah, I think I'm supposed
to do.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
That's why you weigh too forty two Mark Easy.
Speaker 6 (45:36):
We're not body shaving here, We're not body shaving. This
is okayd of Dad bod. This is a father figure.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Okay, Yeah, that's hot. Uh, final minute here. Cowboys job
is blank. The Cowboys job is.
Speaker 6 (45:53):
Blank, interesting, wild available.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
I mean, those aren't compliments.
Speaker 9 (46:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (46:09):
I don't know who's best suited to take that job.
Speaker 14 (46:11):
Because if you go Dion, I think there's like he's
started to catch up to that learning curve of coaching
in college and clearly made progress. Right you can you
can tangibly see like there's more wins than the year before.
He got good players there. He knows how to motivate
those kind of things. He's gonna need some really good
coordinators if he's gonna stay that same mode. Unless he
(46:35):
just goes hardcore coordinate the offense or coordinate the defense,
he's gonna be more of a delegator when it comes
to responsibilities coordinating wise. So I love that it'll give
them a ton of attention it'll give them, you know,
it'll that star will be shining awfully bright, which I
know Jerry likes.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
But if we're talking.
Speaker 14 (46:53):
About somebody who's maybe a little more plug and play
and obviously less media fodder and less you know, stuff
like that, less energy that way, I mean, how about
a guy who grew up in the building, who's done
so well for you, who's over in Philly in your division,
(47:13):
light in the world on fire and killing more. I mean,
I'm just I just don't know if they do it,
because it almost admits that they made a mistake by
letting him go and keeping McCarthy at that point, right,
So either way, this defense, I mean, you're gonna blow
up this defense no matter what you're paying, Dack, you're
paying CD might want to figure out how to dispurge
some of that money a little bit. Got to revamp
(47:35):
the whole line a little bit, but that defense was
gonna get blown up no matter what.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
I mean.
Speaker 9 (47:39):
They were.
Speaker 6 (47:39):
They were hard to watch at times. They give up
a lot of big plays.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Before I let you go. The Bill's Ravens game comes
down to.
Speaker 6 (47:48):
Turnovers.
Speaker 14 (47:48):
If Josh Allen takes care of the ball the way
he does, and the way he's running it. That was
their only achilles heel these last few years in the playoffs.
It would be one bad fumble, one miss down the
field trying to force the ball. If he plays turnover
free football, which Joe Brady's got him doing. Their offensive coordinator,
it's and you notice they're using Cook a lot more
(48:11):
at the running back spot, not just running the ball,
but catching the ball in the backfield. Josh has really
stepped up his game and it's really just cutting down
the mistakes and eliminating those turnovers. You look at a Stafford,
you look at Josh Allen. The guys that play the
best this time of the year, take care of the football.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Safe travels, good luck.
Speaker 6 (48:29):
We appreciate you, buddy.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
The twins coming up and you got named.
Speaker 14 (48:35):
No, I'd like a poll question on that though, because
they're identical twin girls. So we're gonna need, you know,
some good ones. Giselle, my son wants to name him
Fish and Chips. I told him that's a tough sell.
Please meet my daughter Fish Like, what so I need
(48:57):
Fritzy on that. I need I need the boys helping
out of the day.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
No, I don't think you don't need Fritzy on that. No,
you don't, we'll come up with something. Yeah, thank you, Mark,
appreciate you guys. Mark Sanchanz
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