January 16, 2025 • 55 mins
Dan thinks NFL fans have "Chiefs Fatigue." NFL broadcaster Cris Collinsworth shares why he believes the Rams may be a difficult matchup for the Eagles and explains why he still sees Deion Sanders as a possibility to land the Cowboys head coaching job. WFAA-TV Dallas Cowboys’ insider Ed Werder explains why nothing is out of the question for the Cowboys and breaks down why parting ways with Mike McCarthy confused a lot of people close to the franchise. Plus, Hall of Fame RB Jerome Bettis shares why he believes in Notre Dame in their matchup with Ohio State and why he thinks Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry will both eventually joins him in Canton.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
All quiet on the coaching carousel, and that's going to
be for a little while. This is the game that
some of these teams are going to get into or
maybe already in. You're waiting for Aaron Glenn, the defensive
coordinator of the Lions, and you're waiting for Ben Johnson,
the offensive coordinator for the Lions. They're probably both getting
jobs this upcoming season, but you have to wait. They're
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still in the playoffs and probably going to be in
the playoffs for a few more weeks. Maybe they're going
to a super Bowl. Therefore, if you're bringing in people
to interview and you're holding out help that you may
get one of these two and that may hold up
maybe hiring somebody else, or maybe you do go and
hire somebody else. You don't wait. You know, the Raiders
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I think have the inside track with Ben Johnson, Certainly
all indications point towards that, and Aaron Glenn with the Jets.
So if you're the Saints, the Bears, like said some
of the cowboys, like what are you waiting for? Who
are you waiting for? And are you holding out false
hope that these guys might be there. I'm going to
imagine that Jerry Jones is looking at Ben Johnson because
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he probably wants that offense, that excitement. You know, maybe
this will help Dak Prescott. You know, if he helped
Jared Goff, he should be able to help Dak Prescott.
But what if you don't get him? Did you fire
or let Mike McCarthy walk and really not having a
plan be And I know the betting favorite is Deon Sanders.
I just don't know if that's a real story. And look,
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maybe it is. Maybe Jerry is going to get Dion.
He does like those shiny objects. Look at who I
brought in. But I just don't get that feeling. And
I don't get that feeling from Dion either. I could
see Jerry doing it. I don't know if Dion feels
like that's the right place or maybe the right time
for him to go and coach in the NFL. But
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that's why it's kind of quiet.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
You haven't heard too much Mike McCarthy interviewing with the Bears.
The Bears have interviewed. I would feel bad if I
was a candidate and I didn't get it. Interviewed by
the Bears. Hey, Han, did the Bears call today?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
All right, well let me know if they do. Ready
for my zoom call here. But that's kind of the
reason why it's a little bit quiet. You know what
else is quiet? The Chiefs are going for a three P.
And I don't know if there's Chiefs fatigue, but it
certainly feels that that way. And I know every commercial
you see or every other commercial you see, it's Mahomes,
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it's Andy Reid, it's you know, Travis Kelcey Kelsey's podcast,
Taylor's Swift. I get it. But let's not lose sight
of what they're doing or trying to do. It's never
been done before. It's an Oh, by the way, they're
going for a three P. And it feels after a
while and it is fatigue, like we have voter fatigue,
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Like there's there's no way Joker is going to win
another MVP because they'll be voter fatigue. And you know,
we had this same feeling with Golden State years ago.
It's like, oh God, can somebody knock off at Golden State.
We get, you know, a fan fatigue, voter fatigue, and
I think we have Chiefs fatigue. Right now, where you go,
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do we really care? They have this Saturday afternoon game
against the Texans. If this was New England with Brady
and Belichick, I can't imagine they would open up the
divisional round of the playoffs at home in a four
thirty afternoon start against the Texans. Now, this says a
lot about the Texans. Apparently, it's like they're in all right,
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we got to put them on TV. You know, maybe
True TV. We could put them on, Yes, PAULI.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
If you look at the NFL schedule this weekend, Texans
Chiefs feel like an opening band at a big concert festival.
They're on the secondary stage at four pm, and Ravens
Bills feels like the headliner.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, it's like Coachella and then you're going to open up.
But here's the Chiefs. Oh, by the way, and you know,
we're ready to annoint Patrick Mahomes pretty soon as the
best quarterback of all time, Travis Kelcey hall of Famer,
Andy Reid hall of Famer and going for a threepeat.
And it's sort of like s and maybe the Chiefs
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like this that maybe they're not being focused. You know,
we're focused on what we're focused on Lamar Jackson, maybe
another MVP. Can he get to the Super Bowl? How
about the Lions? Maybe this is the year for the Lions. Hey,
you don't want to play the Rams. The Eagles might
be the most balanced team. And we keep talking about
everybody except for the defending champs, the two time defending champs.
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And look, maybe you'll tell me if you call in
each seven to seven three DP show if you do
have that Chiefs fatigue? Why because even when they lost
one game and then you know, they lost to Denver
at the end of the season, but even when they're
fifteen and one, did we talked about they're lucky. You're
not going to be able to play this way in
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the postseason like we're almost waiting, hoping, or at least
you get that feeling from people that, no, not the
Chiefs again. But if you have Buffalo and you have
Baltimore and they make it to the Super Bowl, I
think people would be thrilled. NFL fans would be thrilled
if one of those two teams was there. And maybe
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not because you're rooting for them as much as you
don't want the Chiefs. Oh gosh, here we go again.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, Paul and I did see some people on social
media this weekend when it was Texans at Chiefs. Even
though the Texans had a great week last week, it
feels like the Chiefs path got easier. Either the Ravens
or Bills will be gone. They don't have to face
one of those two teams.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, all right, well come up with the pole question.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Yes, Marvin, this might be a Texans thing. So I
just looked up divisional playoffs Patriots versus Texans. It was
on US Saturday. You're you're fourteenth, twenty seventeen. They played
on a Saturday afternoon. Wow, so it might be the
Texans sections. Okay, that's a good good research there, thank you.
Uh see, what's pole question for the first town?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Uh well, let's see.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
We could start with game you are most looking forward
to watching this weekend. That's not Ravens Bills.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Oh okay, we're taking them off the board.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
You got to take that right off the I mean,
that's the best game of the weekend for sure. Okay,
but you have Texas Chiefs, Commander's Lions, Rams Eagles, Oh yeah,
those are those are all pretty good. I would say
I would put Rams Eagles towards the top of that.
But Commander's Lions is it.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yes, that to me seems like that's the the marquee
matchup and that's a that's a Saturday night game. But
it feels like, you know, it's still Ravens in the
Bills because of those two quarterbacks, and we keep waiting
for one of these guys to win a big game. Now,
Josh Allen is won a few more big games the
playoffs then Lamar has, But it feels like that when
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we're all tied up with who's gonna win, and you know,
is that gonna be the MVP game that you were
Whoever wins, you're gonna go, yep, they should be the
MVP even though it's a regular season award. It feels
like we're attaching a whole lot to that matchup with
these two. Yeah, Paulie, it does.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Feel like Commander's Lions is great because it's two great stories.
The Lions, everyone kind of roots for them, even if
you don't love them or grow up on them. And
Jayden Daniels and the Commanders, like you said a couple
of weeks ago, he made them likable, you know, Notre
Dame's now likable because of Marcus Freeman and whatever. But
the commander's being likable. That's been a long time coming.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, it's a great story. I don't think you root
against either one of these teams unless you're in the
NFC East and you don't like Washington. But this is
not This is not your typical Washington team that you
wouldn't like. I think the fact that they got out
of out from underneath Dan Snyder's stink. The Lions are
still likable. But that could change though, you know if
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they win the Super Bowl and then Dan Campbell's doing
all these commercials. You know, Jake from State Farm is
there with Dan Campbell and they're biting kneecaps or whatever.
But Jared Goff, Jared Goff does an insurance commercial and
this is the only thing I've ever seen him in,
and it's a woman whose last name is the same
as his. Is that that Goff insurance company? Marvin the
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law firm, law firm?
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Okay, okay? Now is that is he related to this woman?
Because I see the signs where he's standing next to her,
and he's got kind of a generic football jersey. I mean,
it's not one of those Hey, you're on State Farm.
It's yeah, I'm with a law firm and it just
so happens. It's the woman who I think runs the
law firm has the same last neet. I don't know
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if he's related to her. Yes, Tod, Yeah, it's Brooke Goff.
Speaker 7 (08:55):
The billboards all over the place. You did stuff with
Mike Tyson and other celebrity types. It's got quite a
racket going.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Okay, thank you, Tod.
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Big Game coming up tonight. It's a rematch. You want
(09:39):
new blood, you got it. It's the Cabs and Thunder.
So we're in the middle of January. At what point
do you go, all right, I guess they're legitimate. You know,
I said that the Rockets were going to be the
surprise team in the West starting this season, and they're
second in the West right now. But you might be going,
all right, they're twenty seven in twelve. Well, considering that
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they lost at least sixty games the previous three seasons,
this seems like a pretty good turnaround for the Houston
Rockets twenty seven and twelve. But the Cabs in the East,
you probably still say, well, I take the Celtics. Or
if you say, oh, the Thunder now, I don't know
who else you would go. You might say, can the
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Rockets be the best team? Who else in the West?
Where you go, they're going to be formidable? You know,
Golden State. I thought maybe they make a trade here
at some point. But you start to look at some
of these teams and you go, how many teams can
win the championship this year? You know, Miami with their
mess with Jimmy Butler, the Bucks. It feels like we're
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either in or out, you know, depending on the week.
I did watch Wen Banyama again last night. Oh my goodness,
he's spectacular. How he didn't win Defensive Player of the Year.
Last year, I am I and stunned. Stunned Jah Moran
had a dunk over Wemban Yama. Now it didn't count,
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but it was it's going to count for something. I mean,
that is a poster if you see it, and Ja
Moran is going up against Wemban Yama and he dunks.
But it didn't count. It did count for me when
I watched it, because I can't erase it from my
memory bank.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yes, Marvin, So I was gonna ask that question last
night when I saw the dunk. All right, so play
the day. I'm thinking it's that. I know it didn't count,
but we don't do play the day that county. It's
just play the day period.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Right, Yeah. Yeah, But wemban Yama he had thirteen points,
twelve rebounds, and he had eight block shots.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Who stand of a day?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
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is the stuff she'd span Melissa Etheridge. There stat of
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Yama is he's just figuring this thing out and it
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is remarkable. I know, I know, I keep throwing verbal
bouquets at him and you know, he's just he's young
and is still figuring out the game, and that's what's scary.
You see him do things and you go, that's not normal,
that's not normal. Both ends of the floor. He's probably
the best two way player in the NBA in my opinion.
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Now you might have somebody else, Marvin, you might suggest
somebody else, But if I look at what he does
on the defensive end, I don't think there's anybody who
can guard the top of the key and in the
paint at the same time, and he does that. I
mean he's averaging twenty seven a game. Yes, Marv, actually, DP,
(13:00):
I completely agree with you. I don't really think it's
as far as the best two way player in the game.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
But my question is when do people start hating him
year four, year five, if he doesn't want to start
winning championships.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Because we've done this with other people too.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I don't think we're there yet. And he's in San Antonio,
so he's not featured, he's not on commercial like, he
hasn't gotten to the point of being an irritant. It's
I mean, the reason why people had a problem with
the Spurs usually because Greg Popovich. You know, he was gruff,
but that was it. Like Tim Duncan, what did you
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dislike him for being boring? Boringly great? And people did.
They're like, oh god, the spurs that get It's weird
how we don't embrace I grew up when you had dynasties,
but I don't think we like dynasties anymore. You know,
you don't want that one team where you go, that's
the team to beat. It's like you want new blood
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in the constantly. You know, we had Patriot fatigue, but
it was Patriot greatness that was right in front of us.
Or if you're watching and you're watching tennis, not him again,
not her again, But like, we shouldn't lose sight of
greatness that's there. You may not like it because they
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beat your team, but if you don't have a dog
in the fight, just to appreciate what the Chiefs have
been doing and replaceable parts, that's what's amazing. It's really
really difficult for a variety of reasons to stay this
good for this amount of time. Yeah, Paul, I saw
an article a few years ago. I think it was
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Sports Business Journal or one of those Forbes. Leagues do
best when there's dynasties. They get the best ratings when
there's dynasties, the Bulls, the Warriors NFL Baseball, because it
makes it easy for the average fan or casual fan
to consume the sport. They don't have to relearn the
stars or relearn the teams. Said, it's actually worse when
there's a new title winner every year, whatever major sports
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there is. Yeah, because you're now aware, you're familiar with
these players, with this team, with this coach, and therefore
you can watch a game and either be fascinated by
watching them or be rooting against them.
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Media that's Covino and Rich. He is Chris Collinsworth who
used to be quick. He used to be fast. Collinsworth
used to be fast. That was a long, long time ago.
How fast do you think you could run a forty
yard dash?
Speaker 9 (16:38):
Last time I ran a forty yard dash, my kid
got me in the backyard. So we were talking about it.
So they were claiming they could beat me, right, and
I said, no way. They were like, they're a teenagers.
So this is probably fifteen years ago, and so we
lined it up, we had time prials, we had the
whole thing, and I just I literally warmed up for
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a half an hour because I hadn't sprinted forever, right,
warmed up for a half an hour, came out there.
I made it thirty eight and a half yards before
I pulled my hamstring.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
So I have no idea.
Speaker 9 (17:14):
I fell across the line. It was the worst moment
of all time, but I was only one and a
half yards away from having an official time for you,
So I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Is speed more important than quickness as far as being
a wide receiver.
Speaker 9 (17:33):
I think there's both, you know. I think there's people
that Randy Moss obviously could just run by you. Some
of these big guys, Arrell Owens, I always thought I
didn't know what his forty yard dash time was, but
it didn't matter. You know, the forty yard dash really
comes down to the first ten yards whoever is the
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quickest getting off. So a lot of times the smaller
receivers can get off the line of scrimmage in that
first ten yards and a great time. But what I
see out of the league is that a lot of
these long legged six four six ' five guys that
can build up speed. What really matters is when you
hit the jets around twenty five yards, you know, when
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you make your move and you're close and now you've
got to run by those guys. And that's when some
of the real stars of the league really emerge, because
then it's just like, So that's my support for the
tall receivers in the league.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But how do you explain Cooper Cup and Puka Nakua,
who aren't for four guys but they're extremely successful.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
Well, I think Cooper is and I love watching him
run and I can't believe I was so stupid. I
never thought of any of this stuff when I was playing.
But he does a little triple move that is just awesome.
So it's like dunt dun duhn, and then the dbs
just get frozen. So it's not like he's there fearing
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him running past him as much is they have no
idea which one of these Isaac Curtis could do that
a little bit, Dan, you remember him, my old teammate,
and he had this thing that he got from Paul Warfield.
And it's interesting that I couldn't I didn't do it well,
but and seeing Cooper and now he's teaching at the PUKA.
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But Pooka, for the most part, I think is a
fullback playing wide receiver. You know when you watch the
Rams play, how many early downs start with they just
get him the ball in the flat and he runs
over somebody in the second and three and so. But
he's he's a tremendous, tremendous player in both those guys.
The magic of that team has always been the play action,
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the run game, the bootlegs off of it. But the
ability of those two guys to make key blocks. I'm
just going back and watching the first Rams Eagles game
and a lot of the big plays that they had
in the running game came from those two guys blocking.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Okay, how do the Rams win this game?
Speaker 9 (20:07):
I think they can. Matthew Stafford has to be great.
He just has to be great. I mean he is.
He can handle anything. He's not going to get hit.
He's not going to let these guys just beat on him. Now,
they did get him a couple of times, but haven
Stein wasn't playing right tackle. It was McClendon last time.
But he's tremendous getting the ball out of his hands
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and not having the Kobe Dean.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Is will hurt Philadelphia.
Speaker 9 (20:34):
He really flashed in that first game, a couple of
big tackles for losses and big hits on the quarterback.
He ran over Kyron Williams one time on a pass rush,
so they'll miss him. But it wouldn't surprise me at
all to see this thing come down to a lot
of man coverage on the back end. I mean, there's
just no way that they can let the Eagles just
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overpower them again with Saquon Barkley, right, So that means
you got to get up, got to try and stuff
the run.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
You just got to be able to get after.
Speaker 9 (21:03):
Their run game, and whatever happens in the passing game
happens in the passing game.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
It feels like every year there's a surprise in the
divisional round. So if that's the case, give me the
surprise this weekend.
Speaker 9 (21:21):
Yeah, honestly, I probably would have said our game. And
I think that people, and rightfully so, look at the
Eagles as a team that very prominent and could easily
win a Super Bowl. And it's the kind of team
that I like to If I build a football team,
I would build the Philadelphia Eagles. I would build power
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on the offensive line. I would build power on the
defensive line. Some of these big guys, Jalen Carter's unbelievable.
I don't know that people give him enough credit for
what he does. He draws double teams from every team
every single time, and if you single.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Block, he blows you away.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
That all being said, I think what we saw out
of the Rams last week gives them a chance because
they really were able to play manned coverage against a
very good Vikings passing game, which surprised me a little bit.
They've really grown in the secondary on the back end
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with what they've been able to do, and Matthew Stafford
has the ability to offset a pass rush. He has
the ability with his brain, with his experience to not
give up those big plays. Now, having said that, the
last two series that I watched of this first game
between these two, they took sacks and they couldn't block
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those guys inside. So it's you know, but I do
think when you have a veteran quarterback that has the
ability to dictate a game, not get hit, not give
up big sacks, and not throw interceptions, that it does
give you a.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Chance, is it?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Mandatory that when the Texans make the playoffs, they must
play the first game in the playoffs as early on
Saturday afternoon as possible.
Speaker 9 (23:13):
Apparently so the ESPN game we used to call it
back in the day. But you know, the Texans were
impressive last week. I mean, there's just you just have
to say what it is when when they when they
get it going, especially on the defensive side, you know
they have the ability to go get your quarterback. And
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the problem is that, I mean, short of Patrick Mahomes
and the Kansas City Chiefs just not liking all this
time off. And I can't imagine a veteran team wouldn't.
But maybe they're just not razor sharp. But I've been
to so many Andy Reid practices over the years. These
guys practice hard. I mean, it's not like when you
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when they get time off. It's not like they're flipflops
walking around like the forty nine ers used to do
when they were whipping our butts all the time. But
they come out there and they are practicing and they're
getting after it. So generally there's a reason why Andy's
teams do fine after buys.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
It feels like here's a team that could go for
a three peet, but I think it's being under sold.
I think there is Chiefs fatigue with the media that
you know, if you look at the storylines, Chris, we're
talking about anything but the chief Now, granted it's the
divisional round against the Texans, but we're focusing on the
lines Jayden Daniels, Josh Allen, you know versus Lamar Jackson. Like,
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we're going out of our way to make sure that
we're talking about anything but the Kansas City Chiefs. Why
is that.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Because they've converted into a defensive team, not that they
aren't capable, but when't we all like we're overwhelmed watching
the Kansas City Chiefs. It was because Tyreek Hill and
company and they were taking the top off and they're
throwing bombs and mahomes.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Was you know, it was just insane.
Speaker 9 (25:12):
They were scoring points all over the place and it's
really not what they are right now, and they are
still fully capable of doing that. But they got the
fifteen and one this year because of the way they
played defense. And honestly, it was the same thing yesterday
or last year that they really just played great defense.
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Chris Jones and company in there those guys, they win
the game on the defensive side. And then we remember
Mahomes making a player Kelsey making a play at the
end of the game and scoring a touchdown. And but
you go back to that Ravens championship game last year.
I mean, it was a fistfight. It was a violent,
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violent football game. And I think that's what's missed out
of this when you watch Kansas City where people talk
about him, is you know, Philadelphia I consider a violent
football team. I think Kansas City is too. They've got
that interior wall inside with those great center and two guards.
Physically can come off the ball, and defensively, I think
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they're as good as anybody in the league.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
We're talking to Chris collins Worth, NBC Sunday Night Football analyst,
and he'll be on the call with Mike Treco Melissa Stark.
That will be Sunday at three. It's the Rams in
the Eagles. Who has more to gain in Buffalo between
Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.
Speaker 9 (26:39):
Who I think that Josh has at least played well
in really big playoff games. I mean the fact that
they lost that game to Kansas City that year when
he makes that brilliant comeback and with twenty seconds left
or whatever it was, Mahomes comes back. That really wasn't
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on him, right, Lamar's coming off a year in which
probably wins the MVP again. I don't know how that
vote's just trying to read the tea leaves of some
of that stuff. But it could be his third MVP
and the only thing he has not done is tear
it up in the postseason. And so you're sitting there
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and as a coach, what do you tell him? It's like,
do you tell them, all, right, Lamar, let's put the
ball in your hands, let's go.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
You just be the man.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
Or do you just say, hey, Lamar, just do what
you've done right, We've got King Henry. Let's be patient,
let's do this. Don't feel like you've got to take
it in your own hands, you know. So it's kind
of a quand read. So I'm going to say, Lamar,
I think as great as he has been in the
regular season, he kind of needs to stamp it a
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little bit with a Super Bowl championship. In this team,
they're fully capable.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
More valuable off season edition Derek can He or Saquon Barklay.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
I think Saquon Derrick Henry has been really good, and
he's got the compliment of Lamar, but Squon has the
complement of this offensive line. And it's one of the
things that I really I mean, it's it's so I
played receiver. I've played every position in the NFL basically
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at one time or another, but I started as an
offensive lineman. But this really highlights the the what this
offensive line has been over the years, right, I mean,
this has been a dominant force for the Philadelphia Eagles.
It was when they won the championship, it is now
if they win another championship, it'll be for that same reason.
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Offensive and defensive lines.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
And I.
Speaker 9 (28:53):
Think that Saquon behind this group has really just shown
what they have been able to do over the years.
And if they win, it'll be Saquan running the ball.
I think they're a very good passing team, but if
they win, it'll be because they overpower teams the rest.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
Of the way.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Why is Mike McCarthy out of the job in Dallas?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I gotta say that one surprised me a little bit.
Speaker 9 (29:23):
You know, if he had won so three out of
four years he won twelve games, right, maybe he didn't.
He couldn't beat the forty nine ers in the playoffs,
and that's what it was. Unfortunately, the decision year was
the year that he didn't win twelve games in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
So and Jerry Jones, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
I just keep watching this Deon Sanders thing, you know,
and you go, okay, I mean, you know, Dion's done
great in Colorado. He's you know, this is a We've
got a new age of football. We're seeing much more
of a college kind of football game happening.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Quarterbacks, that Ron, all this stuff.
Speaker 9 (30:05):
Maybe Dion's the perfect new age head coach too. But
that whole thing is that whole dynamic now is getting
really really really interesting.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
So what are you going to think?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It's real? Chris? You think that Dione possibly to the
Cowboys is real?
Speaker 9 (30:27):
I think anything with the Cowboys is possible. I mean,
come on, how many times do we watch this show?
And it is a show. I mean it is when
you're you walk in that facility, you walk in that stadium,
and the cheerleaders, and I mean from the moment you
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arrive in Dallas, you understand it's not a football team.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
It is a show.
Speaker 9 (30:54):
And the ring master is Jerry Jones and whatever whatever
he really leaves sells more tickets to the show and
creates more wins, So you sell more tickets to the show.
He's going to do it. Do I think Dion can
do it? I do, but I'm not sure. But I
got to be honest. You know, there's a reason Lamar
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Jackson was the last player picked in the first round.
There were thirty one other teams that weren't sure that
he was going to be able to do what he's doing.
So I'm not saying that Dion can't. We just haven't
seen a former player go coach a couple of years
in college football and go be head coach of the
Cowboys and find a way to make it work with
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Jerry is the ring leader. So it's everybody that I
know that's ever been head coach of the Cowboys. They'll
tell you it's different. You know, It's it's not like
being in Green Bay. Is not like being you know,
it's different. There's more to being the head coach in
Dallas and being the head coach.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Fill in the blank, justin Herbert is blank.
Speaker 9 (32:06):
Extremely talented. I didn't think that they had enough this year.
I was actually impressed that. I mean, they went out
in a terrible way for him. You know, that was
not a good performance by him at all in the playoffs.
But I think they've set the table a little bit.
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You know, they've established what Horrball wants them to be.
They need help a receiver. They just don't have enough
right now to be able to do really what they want.
They're not going to They can't go compete with the
Philadelphia Eagles of the world, you know, and just go
bang heads in there. So year one take them to
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the playoffs. Yeah, I think it's successful, and I do
think he'll come back. I think it was a bad performance.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Before I let you go, Al Michaels joining us, Al,
would you give Chris a little taste of maybe what
they used to share? Jackson drives back there and there
he goes, Chris, we did that to Al Seaton did
his al Michael's in person personation and Al goes, do
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I sound like he didn't like it, But now whenever
you hear him and there he goes.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
He has a great way of changing gears and and
dumb it and he's.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Just about out of Josh m maringos.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
We all steal from each other, right, I mean, I
take the best of you and whoever al and you
incorporated in a little bit and everything you do.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Have fun this weekend. Thank you, Chris. Good to talk
to you, man.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
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Speaker 2 (34:09):
I saw a tweet from Ed Werder and of course
always reading Ed Werders tweets, and had something to do
with the Cowboys. Ed is a cowboy insider for w
FAA TV in Dallas, had to do with Dion, had
to do with Jerry Jones, and maybe maybe this is
actually in the on deck circling could happen, and Ed
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Werder kind of enough to join us. So you piqued
my interest with this, So explain what your tweet was
all about.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
That was my one and only interest in tweeting Dan
was to get your attention, Thank you, and to have
an opportunity to make a long awaited guest appearance on
the show. If you want to play golf again, let
me know. Yeah, I've I've been obviously following the Cowboys,
you know, for a long time. But you know, certainly
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throughout this season and extending that coverage through the dismissal
of Mike McCarthy, which I think surprised a lot of people,
even those of us who covered the team on a
regular basis. And you know, when you start configuring a
list of potential candidates to be the next head coach
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only in Dallas do you have to make sure to
include Dion Sanders and Jason Witten former you know Cowboys
tight end great who Jerry is enamored with, who has
only coached at the high school level. Regarding Dion, obviously
we know that he has not yet formally interviewed for
the job.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
The Cowboys have.
Speaker 10 (35:38):
Extended invitations to Leslie Frazier and Robert Salah to be
the first two to interview formerly for the job. But
Dion told Adam Schefter the other day that Jerry Jones
reached out to him and they discussed the job, and
everything I continue to be told Dan is that Jerry
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is interested. It was described to me as he's enamored
with the idea. Obviously, It's hard to imagine any coaching
candidate who could create more interest, someone that Jerry could
more sell to the fan base here which needs to
happen and make Jerry more money than Dion Sanders. I mean,
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he won a Super Bowl here as a player. So
there are also people around Dion who tell me that
he's being urged by his supporters in Colorado to take
the job, and that they believe if Jerry ever does
offer him the job, that he will take. That he
has an extension to remain at Colorado on his desk
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that he hasn't even looked at as he considers these
other possibilities. But you know, I mean, there are also
people close to Dion who tell me they don't see
it happening, but they've seen things happen with Jerry Jones
that they didn't expect to happen before. And he did
hire Barry Switzer, so you can't rule anything out. He's
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the most unpredictable owner in the NFL on any subject,
especially this one.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
But do you think that Jerry Jones had somebody in
mind when he was willing to let Mike McCarthy leave.
Speaker 10 (37:14):
I assume that Jerry's done this enough times. This is
his eighth time that he knows before you let somebody
who has some value it has proven himself to the degree.
You know, Mike McCarthy has as a head coach in
this league with two different franchises that you're sure you're
going to get somebody who you think is going to
do a better job.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah, I man for some reason. And I was talking
to Tim Callishaw, of course he covers the Cowboys, and
he said Dion was treating this as if he was
offered the job.
Speaker 7 (37:48):
Like.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
His response was, Hey, I'm honored or humboled or whatever,
but I got work to do as if he was
getting the job offer. And then I thought, well, maybe
is Jerry doing Dion a favor by Hey, maybe we
have some interest here and that helps him even more
with that extension at Colorado. But you think this is real,
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This is something that could happen.
Speaker 10 (38:11):
I think it has merit, and I think when we're
talking about Jerry and Dion, you always have to be
wary of how this conversation could benefit each of them,
and it certainly does. But I think there is a
possibility of it happening. I mean, Dion apparently told Adam
Schefter that he doesn't need to use the Cowboys's leverage
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to get what he wants at Colorado, that he's him,
and there's probably a lot of truth in that, given
the effect he's had on that program and the attention
he's brought to it and the money that's been dedicated
to the program since then. But yeah, and I think
a key figure if this were to go very far,
would be Mike Zimmer. You know, Mike Zimmer was a
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defensive coordinator here this most recent season under Mike McCarthy,
coached under five head coaches in Dallas, and he has
not decided what he's going to do in terms of
whether he wants to continue coaching or not. I think
a lot of that is dependent upon what direction Jerry
decides to go in hiring the next head coach.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
And he would.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
Certainly, almost certainly Dan be a part of it if
Dion Sanders is the coach, because Mike is very close
to Dion. He coached him when he was here. He
was close, so close to his program at Jackson State
and then at Colorado that there were people speculating that
Zimmer was going to be the defensive coordinator of Colorado.
That never happened, but Zimmer made it clear during the
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season when we spoke to him that he does frequently
still speak to Deon Sanders, So I'm sure he would
be heavily involved in that. And it's interesting that he
has made no mention or or offered no decision on
his future.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Okay, but we've talked about Jerry and he hires coaches
that are submissive and malleable, and that's not Dion. So
is Jerry finally maybe coming around to that I need
to have somebody be a head coach, act like a
head coach and not be looking over their shoulder constantly.
Speaker 10 (40:09):
Well, do you think that Jerry would think that there's
not room for him to influence Dion Sanders, who's never
coached at the NFL level, on how he' views his
best route to being successful. I think Jerry would see
this as a very a very positive opportunity for him
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to influence the way Dion Sanders coaches Jerry's football team. Now,
was interesting that during the season, when Jerry was first
asked about Dion, you know, he praised him as one
of his favorite players of all time and you know
his competitiveness that he brought to the team, but he
also sort of dismissed his value as a head coach
in the NFL because he said, what Dion offers, Now,
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that's most attractive and most influences his success at CU
at the college level is his ability to record, and
that's not going to be a significant part of his
success in the NFL should he opt to coach in
the NFL. And that's true, I mean, he could influence
free agents, but the Cowboys have not been heavily involved
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in free agency in recent years, to their own detriment.
Quite honestly. You know, they were the last team to
sign a player four out of the last five years.
So it was interesting to me that Jerry thought that
was the most unique ability Dion possessed and that it
would not be a significant factor in whether he succeeded
at the NFL level.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Did Mike McCarthy want out?
Speaker 10 (41:39):
That's not the sense I got. I mean, when the
season ended, he was unequivocal and very public about the
fact that his goal in the next few days was
to remain in Dallas. He said he had made an
investment in Dallas, the Cowboys had made an investment in him.
Speaker 7 (41:54):
I think his.
Speaker 10 (41:55):
Family wanted to be here. I sincerely think Mike McCarthy
wanted it, expected it to work out, And I don't
know that we fully understand the real reasons.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
It did great to talk to you always, ed Thank you. Thanks.
An Edwarder covers the Cowboys for WFAA TV in Dallas.
He's Drome Bett. Jerome bettis the Hall of Fame running back,
won a Super Bowl and a former running back out
of Notre Dame nineteen ninety three draft. I believe do
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you see your jersey behind me?
Speaker 7 (42:28):
I see it. I love it. I love That's all
school right there.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
That's rams Jerome Bettis.
Speaker 7 (42:35):
Yeah, that's where.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Do you want that? Bet? Do you want that? Bet?
Speaker 3 (42:41):
No?
Speaker 7 (42:42):
Hey, I appreciate you displaying it proudly. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
How many jerseys do you have? Do you collect jerseys?
Speaker 7 (42:52):
I do have? I do have some. Yeah, I've got
I've got a few. But but what I did was
I collected them as I was playing from different players.
You know, we would trade jerseys and stuff like that.
So I didn't do much like buying jerseys or anything
like that. It were all given to me at one
time or another.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
All right, give me an idea of who you have
what jerseys?
Speaker 7 (43:16):
I mean, my I guess my pride and enjoy would
be uh, Jim Brown. I mean, I didn't play with him,
but he you know, he signed it and everything for me.
Marshall fall I'm trying to think Barry Sanders. It was
a lot of running backs as I think about it.
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But the problem is I don't have them displayed. My
wife didn't let me put any of my jerseys up
in the house, so I so wait.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Wait, wait that house bus you them here.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
Here's what you got to understand. It's some battles that's
not worth fighting. And you you gotta know I'm smart
enough to know that was not a fight that I
was willing to put out a lot of capital on.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Okay, but do you have defensive players that you swamp
jerseys with?
Speaker 7 (44:18):
No, I've got. I swapped. I swapped with Erlacker, his shoes,
our shoes. Like in the last one of the last
playoff games, we we traded shoes. So that was pretty unique.
But it was one of those one time things. I
didn't do that very often.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
All righty, let's start with your alma mater. What do
you expect to happen on Monday night.
Speaker 7 (44:47):
I expect to be a very close game. I think
a lot of people will think it's gonna be a blowouts.
I don't. I don't see that being the case. I
think when you look at the teams that Ohio State
struggled with, the team that had a lot of physicality,
and I think that's what Notre Dame brings to the table,
physicality at the point of attack. They're going to run
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the football, They're going to be physical on defense. Now,
I will say we're at a bit of a disadvantage
because you know, our best defensive lineman he's he got hurt,
you know, in the first playoff game, and so we
don't We're not as strong as we were up front.
That's a little bit of an issue. But you know,
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we we played them a couple of years ago, and
you know, back to back years or one and after
the other, and they were competitive football games, right We
lost there at the end of both games, and so
it tells you that we can play with them. That's
not the issue. The key is we can't give up
big plays on defense, and we have to create some
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big plays on offense. I don't see us going eighty
yards down the field every single drive. So we've got
to open it up offense up a little bit and
throw it down the field and be successful.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
You're going to the game?
Speaker 7 (46:06):
Yes, definitely. It's in Atlanta, and I live in Atlanta,
so there's no way I would not be at that one.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
And is your son going to Notre Dame?
Speaker 7 (46:15):
My son is en road, Yes, so he's a he's
a mid year freshman, so he We literally just dropped
him off last weekend Notre Dame, so we're real excited
for him.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Did you cry when you dropped him off?
Speaker 7 (46:31):
No? I didn't cry when I dropped him off. Fortunately
for us, his big sister she goes to Notre Dame
as well, so it gave us a sense of well,
gave me a sense of comfort knowing that his big
sister was there on campus. And my wife, on the
other hand, she left a day or so after me,
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so there was some crying. I do understand.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Uh. And that apartment he's Jerome bettis Hall of Fame
running back. The running back is back bus. What happened
in the NFL, See, let.
Speaker 7 (47:08):
Me tell you what happened it running back never left.
The problem was you couldn't find those franchise running backs.
And let me tell you why. So in college they
changed the game in the sense of they went to
these four wide receivers, and they went to this smaller
(47:29):
back so they can go laterally down you know, all
the running in colleges later it's nothing downhill. So they
went to little bitty small running backs. The problem is
the NFL doesn't want little bitty small running backs. They
still want power football downhill. And at some point you
couldn't find the running backs right if they're not coming
(47:50):
from five or six schools, you know, the Georgia's, Alabama's,
the SEC schools, maybe Wisconsin, Notre Dame every now and
then maybe at Ohio State or Michigan running back. But
outside of that, you're not getting running backs from all
over the country like you used to. And so as
a result, the NFL had to go to say, you
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know what, we'll figure it out. We'll go with these
guys who can We'll get four guys who can do
what one guy could do. And that's what kind of
happened that and you start having to pay your tight
end and the second receiver, and that money has to
come from somewhere. So they say, you know what, since
we can't find the franchise running back, let's pay these
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other guys and if we find one, great if we don't.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
We don't which running back is more prominent in his
team's success, Derrick Henry or Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 7 (48:44):
Oh, that's a good question. That's a great question. I
would have to say Saquon Barkley because we have seen
what the Baltimore offense can do without Henry. It's not
as explosive, but they are darn good without them, right so,
(49:08):
and they've they've gotten to the same level of success.
Now when you look at Philly, they're not as good
as they've been in the past. If you take sat
Kuon Barkley off of that football team, I don't know
if they make the playoffs because they're just not clicking
(49:29):
from a passing game perspective. And so with that being said,
if you don't have sa Quon Barker there, they don't have.
I don't think a chance.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Is Derrick Henry a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 7 (49:42):
Not a question about it. He's what he's been able
to do over the years that he's been able to
been in the NFL. I believe he's Hall of Fame worthy.
Uh So, I don't know what that looks like, but
I do believe he has a all of the characteristics
if his if his career ended tomorrow, I think he
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definitely would be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
What's wrong with your Steelers? Ah?
Speaker 7 (50:11):
I think they haven't been able to offensively get it
figured out. They need a second receiver, a big time receiver.
They don't have one on the other side of George Pickens.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (50:30):
They've got to figure out about George Pickens in terms
of can he uh be the player that they need
him to be right on the field, off the field,
all those things.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (50:47):
And so I think they have to sit down with
him and and and get get that figured out. I
think also you got to figure out the quarterback position.
I think Russell is a good quarter back for the time,
but I think the problem is he's not a long
term solution to the issue. They have got to figure
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out a long term solution at the quarterback position. And
a lot of you hear a lot of talking heads
speaking about the coach and this and that. You in
the NFL, we've seen this now. This record is not
you know new if you do not have a quarterback
in the NFL, you are not going to win in
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the playoffs. That is a That's what we know for sure,
and right now the Stellers have gone through this window
of time where they've been trying to figure out the
quarterback situation and they have failed. They have not gotten
it right. So I think that's what they got to
(51:50):
figure out. I think if you put Russell in the
position where he's got two really good receivers, a really
good offensive line, a good running back, he can be successful.
But to ask Russell Wilson to carry this football team
on his back at the quarterback position, I think it's
unfair to him at the stage in his career.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah, but Bussy, I got to put some of this
on Mike Tomlin that, yeah, you get to the playoffs,
he's helping try to get a quarterback. I don't think
it like he's powerful in that organization. So Mike's involved
in this. So if you're involved, like you can say,
we got to get a quarterback, well, I got to blame.
Put some of the blame on Tomlin that you haven't
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found a quarterback.
Speaker 7 (52:35):
Well, here's what you have to do. If Tomlin was
picking all the players, I would say, Okay, another piece
in this puzzle is you have to commit resources, right,
and so that means you've got to give up a
couple first round picks. Right. Well, the Steelers, the draft
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is very instrumental in how they build their football team.
So this is not a head coach decision in terms
of what they will have to do in terms of
draft capital to go up and get a quarter Now,
maybe they haven't seen a quarterback that it's worth you know,
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packaging and mortgaging the future on. And I get that
that may be the case, but I believe because of
I mean, they're prisoner of coach tomlins success because they
don't they have to lose the season. They're picking anywhere
from eighteen to twenty five to twenty seven. You're not
going to get a quarterback there, right, And so because
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in the last seventeen years or whatever it is, they
have been there, that's where they're drafting. So they've got
to make a fundamental decision on how do we get
the quarterback in there. The one year when I was
there that everything fell apart, and I think it was
probably the only year that we were, you know, under
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five hundred with coach Kywer it was six and ten.
We got we got Ben that year, right, And so
you don't get that's the situation you're not able to
get that quarterback. And so I think at the end
of the day, there has to be some high level
discussions on aren't we willing to commit multiple first round
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picks to go get the quarterback that we need. Now
they're trying to get players that have gone from team
to team, and for the most part, some of these guys,
their careers are more behind them than ahead of them, right,
And you're not going to solve the problem with that
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type of scenario. You can, you can get from year
to year, but it's not sustainable at the quarterback position.
And that's the difficult, difficult part of the scenario that
the stealers are in.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
It's Ben Roethlisberger still the best quarterback in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 7 (55:04):
That's a good one. No, I definitely don't believe. So
I know he's still throwing it. He's still throwing it
to his kids in the backyard, But I don't know.
I don't know if we can put him out of
a target and go for it.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Uh have fun on Monday night there, and uh good
to good to catch up with you again, Bussy.
Speaker 7 (55:24):
Hey, thank you man, And you could have had any
jersey you wanted at that spot you put mine. I'm honored,
thank you so much. I appreciate you
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
All quiet on the coaching carousel, and that's going to
be for a little while. This is the game that
some of these teams are going to get into or
maybe already in. You're waiting for Aaron Glenn, the defensive
coordinator of the Lions, and you're waiting for Ben Johnson,
the offensive coordinator for the Lions. They're probably both getting
jobs this upcoming season, but you have to wait. They're
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still in the playoffs and probably going to be in
the playoffs for a few more weeks. Maybe they're going
to a super Bowl. Therefore, if you're bringing in people
to interview and you're holding out help that you may
get one of these two and that may hold up
maybe hiring somebody else, or maybe you do go and
hire somebody else. You don't wait. You know, the Raiders
(00:49):
I think have the inside track with Ben Johnson, Certainly
all indications point towards that, and Aaron Glenn with the Jets.
So if you're the Saints, the Bears, like said some
of the cowboys, like what are you waiting for? Who
are you waiting for? And are you holding out false
hope that these guys might be there. I'm going to
imagine that Jerry Jones is looking at Ben Johnson because
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he probably wants that offense, that excitement. You know, maybe
this will help Dak Prescott. You know, if he helped
Jared Goff, he should be able to help Dak Prescott.
But what if you don't get him? Did you fire
or let Mike McCarthy walk and really not having a
plan be And I know the betting favorite is Deon Sanders.
I just don't know if that's a real story. And look,
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maybe it is. Maybe Jerry is going to get Dion.
He does like those shiny objects. Look at who I
brought in. But I just don't get that feeling. And
I don't get that feeling from Dion either. I could
see Jerry doing it. I don't know if Dion feels
like that's the right place or maybe the right time
for him to go and coach in the NFL. But
(01:57):
that's why it's kind of quiet.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
You haven't heard too much Mike McCarthy interviewing with the Bears.
The Bears have interviewed. I would feel bad if I
was a candidate and I didn't get it. Interviewed by
the Bears. Hey, Han, did the Bears call today?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
All right, well let me know if they do. Ready
for my zoom call here. But that's kind of the
reason why it's a little bit quiet. You know what
else is quiet? The Chiefs are going for a three P.
And I don't know if there's Chiefs fatigue, but it
certainly feels that that way. And I know every commercial
you see or every other commercial you see, it's Mahomes,
(02:36):
it's Andy Reid, it's you know, Travis Kelcey Kelsey's podcast,
Taylor's Swift. I get it. But let's not lose sight
of what they're doing or trying to do. It's never
been done before. It's an Oh, by the way, they're
going for a three P. And it feels after a
while and it is fatigue, like we have voter fatigue,
(02:59):
Like there's there's no way Joker is going to win
another MVP because they'll be voter fatigue. And you know,
we had this same feeling with Golden State years ago.
It's like, oh God, can somebody knock off at Golden State.
We get, you know, a fan fatigue, voter fatigue, and
I think we have Chiefs fatigue. Right now, where you go,
(03:20):
do we really care? They have this Saturday afternoon game
against the Texans. If this was New England with Brady
and Belichick, I can't imagine they would open up the
divisional round of the playoffs at home in a four
thirty afternoon start against the Texans. Now, this says a
lot about the Texans. Apparently, it's like they're in all right,
(03:43):
we got to put them on TV. You know, maybe
True TV. We could put them on, Yes, PAULI.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
If you look at the NFL schedule this weekend, Texans
Chiefs feel like an opening band at a big concert festival.
They're on the secondary stage at four pm, and Ravens
Bills feels like the headliner.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, it's like Coachella and then you're going to open up.
But here's the Chiefs. Oh, by the way, and you know,
we're ready to annoint Patrick Mahomes pretty soon as the
best quarterback of all time, Travis Kelcey hall of Famer,
Andy Reid hall of Famer and going for a threepeat.
And it's sort of like s and maybe the Chiefs
(04:22):
like this that maybe they're not being focused. You know,
we're focused on what we're focused on Lamar Jackson, maybe
another MVP. Can he get to the Super Bowl? How
about the Lions? Maybe this is the year for the Lions. Hey,
you don't want to play the Rams. The Eagles might
be the most balanced team. And we keep talking about
everybody except for the defending champs, the two time defending champs.
(04:48):
And look, maybe you'll tell me if you call in
each seven to seven three DP show if you do
have that Chiefs fatigue? Why because even when they lost
one game and then you know, they lost to Denver
at the end of the season, but even when they're
fifteen and one, did we talked about they're lucky. You're
not going to be able to play this way in
(05:09):
the postseason like we're almost waiting, hoping, or at least
you get that feeling from people that, no, not the
Chiefs again. But if you have Buffalo and you have
Baltimore and they make it to the Super Bowl, I
think people would be thrilled. NFL fans would be thrilled
if one of those two teams was there. And maybe
(05:30):
not because you're rooting for them as much as you
don't want the Chiefs. Oh gosh, here we go again.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, Paul and I did see some people on social
media this weekend when it was Texans at Chiefs. Even
though the Texans had a great week last week, it
feels like the Chiefs path got easier. Either the Ravens
or Bills will be gone. They don't have to face
one of those two teams.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, all right, well come up with the pole question.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Yes, Marvin, this might be a Texans thing. So I
just looked up divisional playoffs Patriots versus Texans. It was
on US Saturday. You're you're fourteenth, twenty seventeen. They played
on a Saturday afternoon. Wow, so it might be the
Texans sections. Okay, that's a good good research there, thank you.
Uh see, what's pole question for the first town?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Uh well, let's see.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
We could start with game you are most looking forward
to watching this weekend. That's not Ravens Bills.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Oh okay, we're taking them off the board.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
You got to take that right off the I mean,
that's the best game of the weekend for sure. Okay,
but you have Texas Chiefs, Commander's Lions, Rams Eagles, Oh yeah,
those are those are all pretty good. I would say
I would put Rams Eagles towards the top of that.
But Commander's Lions is it.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yes, that to me seems like that's the the marquee
matchup and that's a that's a Saturday night game. But
it feels like, you know, it's still Ravens in the
Bills because of those two quarterbacks, and we keep waiting
for one of these guys to win a big game. Now,
Josh Allen is won a few more big games the
playoffs then Lamar has, But it feels like that when
(07:03):
we're all tied up with who's gonna win, and you know,
is that gonna be the MVP game that you were
Whoever wins, you're gonna go, yep, they should be the
MVP even though it's a regular season award. It feels
like we're attaching a whole lot to that matchup with
these two. Yeah, Paulie, it does.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Feel like Commander's Lions is great because it's two great stories.
The Lions, everyone kind of roots for them, even if
you don't love them or grow up on them. And
Jayden Daniels and the Commanders, like you said a couple
of weeks ago, he made them likable, you know, Notre
Dame's now likable because of Marcus Freeman and whatever. But
the commander's being likable. That's been a long time coming.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, it's a great story. I don't think you root
against either one of these teams unless you're in the
NFC East and you don't like Washington. But this is
not This is not your typical Washington team that you
wouldn't like. I think the fact that they got out
of out from underneath Dan Snyder's stink. The Lions are
still likable. But that could change though, you know if
(08:05):
they win the Super Bowl and then Dan Campbell's doing
all these commercials. You know, Jake from State Farm is
there with Dan Campbell and they're biting kneecaps or whatever.
But Jared Goff, Jared Goff does an insurance commercial and
this is the only thing I've ever seen him in,
and it's a woman whose last name is the same
as his. Is that that Goff insurance company? Marvin the
(08:29):
law firm, law firm?
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Okay, okay? Now is that is he related to this woman?
Because I see the signs where he's standing next to her,
and he's got kind of a generic football jersey. I mean,
it's not one of those Hey, you're on State Farm.
It's yeah, I'm with a law firm and it just
so happens. It's the woman who I think runs the
law firm has the same last neet. I don't know
(08:53):
if he's related to her. Yes, Tod, Yeah, it's Brooke Goff.
Speaker 7 (08:55):
The billboards all over the place. You did stuff with
Mike Tyson and other celebrity types. It's got quite a
racket going.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Okay, thank you, Tod.
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Big Game coming up tonight. It's a rematch. You want
(09:39):
new blood, you got it. It's the Cabs and Thunder.
So we're in the middle of January. At what point
do you go, all right, I guess they're legitimate. You know,
I said that the Rockets were going to be the
surprise team in the West starting this season, and they're
second in the West right now. But you might be going,
all right, they're twenty seven in twelve. Well, considering that
(10:02):
they lost at least sixty games the previous three seasons,
this seems like a pretty good turnaround for the Houston
Rockets twenty seven and twelve. But the Cabs in the East,
you probably still say, well, I take the Celtics. Or
if you say, oh, the Thunder now, I don't know
who else you would go. You might say, can the
(10:23):
Rockets be the best team? Who else in the West?
Where you go, they're going to be formidable? You know,
Golden State. I thought maybe they make a trade here
at some point. But you start to look at some
of these teams and you go, how many teams can
win the championship this year? You know, Miami with their
mess with Jimmy Butler, the Bucks. It feels like we're
(10:45):
either in or out, you know, depending on the week.
I did watch Wen Banyama again last night. Oh my goodness,
he's spectacular. How he didn't win Defensive Player of the Year.
Last year, I am I and stunned. Stunned Jah Moran
had a dunk over Wemban Yama. Now it didn't count,
(11:07):
but it was it's going to count for something. I mean,
that is a poster if you see it, and Ja
Moran is going up against Wemban Yama and he dunks.
But it didn't count. It did count for me when
I watched it, because I can't erase it from my
memory bank.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yes, Marvin, So I was gonna ask that question last
night when I saw the dunk. All right, so play
the day. I'm thinking it's that. I know it didn't count,
but we don't do play the day that county. It's
just play the day period.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Right, Yeah. Yeah, But wemban Yama he had thirteen points,
twelve rebounds, and he had eight block shots.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Who stand of a day?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
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is the stuff she'd span Melissa Etheridge. There stat of
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Yama is he's just figuring this thing out and it
(12:14):
is remarkable. I know, I know, I keep throwing verbal
bouquets at him and you know, he's just he's young
and is still figuring out the game, and that's what's scary.
You see him do things and you go, that's not normal,
that's not normal. Both ends of the floor. He's probably
the best two way player in the NBA in my opinion.
(12:38):
Now you might have somebody else, Marvin, you might suggest
somebody else, But if I look at what he does
on the defensive end, I don't think there's anybody who
can guard the top of the key and in the
paint at the same time, and he does that. I
mean he's averaging twenty seven a game. Yes, Marv, actually, DP,
(13:00):
I completely agree with you. I don't really think it's
as far as the best two way player in the game.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
But my question is when do people start hating him
year four, year five, if he doesn't want to start
winning championships.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Because we've done this with other people too.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I don't think we're there yet. And he's in San Antonio,
so he's not featured, he's not on commercial like, he
hasn't gotten to the point of being an irritant. It's
I mean, the reason why people had a problem with
the Spurs usually because Greg Popovich. You know, he was gruff,
but that was it. Like Tim Duncan, what did you
(13:36):
dislike him for being boring? Boringly great? And people did.
They're like, oh god, the spurs that get It's weird
how we don't embrace I grew up when you had dynasties,
but I don't think we like dynasties anymore. You know,
you don't want that one team where you go, that's
the team to beat. It's like you want new blood
(13:59):
in the constantly. You know, we had Patriot fatigue, but
it was Patriot greatness that was right in front of us.
Or if you're watching and you're watching tennis, not him again,
not her again, But like, we shouldn't lose sight of
greatness that's there. You may not like it because they
(14:21):
beat your team, but if you don't have a dog
in the fight, just to appreciate what the Chiefs have
been doing and replaceable parts, that's what's amazing. It's really
really difficult for a variety of reasons to stay this
good for this amount of time. Yeah, Paul, I saw
an article a few years ago. I think it was
(14:42):
Sports Business Journal or one of those Forbes. Leagues do
best when there's dynasties. They get the best ratings when
there's dynasties, the Bulls, the Warriors NFL Baseball, because it
makes it easy for the average fan or casual fan
to consume the sport. They don't have to relearn the
stars or relearn the teams. Said, it's actually worse when
there's a new title winner every year, whatever major sports
(15:04):
there is. Yeah, because you're now aware, you're familiar with
these players, with this team, with this coach, and therefore
you can watch a game and either be fascinated by
watching them or be rooting against them.
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Speaker 2 (16:22):
Media that's Covino and Rich. He is Chris Collinsworth who
used to be quick. He used to be fast. Collinsworth
used to be fast. That was a long, long time ago.
How fast do you think you could run a forty
yard dash?
Speaker 9 (16:38):
Last time I ran a forty yard dash, my kid
got me in the backyard. So we were talking about it.
So they were claiming they could beat me, right, and
I said, no way. They were like, they're a teenagers.
So this is probably fifteen years ago, and so we
lined it up, we had time prials, we had the
whole thing, and I just I literally warmed up for
(17:01):
a half an hour because I hadn't sprinted forever, right,
warmed up for a half an hour, came out there.
I made it thirty eight and a half yards before
I pulled my hamstring.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
So I have no idea.
Speaker 9 (17:14):
I fell across the line. It was the worst moment
of all time, but I was only one and a
half yards away from having an official time for you,
So I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Is speed more important than quickness as far as being
a wide receiver.
Speaker 9 (17:33):
I think there's both, you know. I think there's people
that Randy Moss obviously could just run by you. Some
of these big guys, Arrell Owens, I always thought I
didn't know what his forty yard dash time was, but
it didn't matter. You know, the forty yard dash really
comes down to the first ten yards whoever is the
(17:53):
quickest getting off. So a lot of times the smaller
receivers can get off the line of scrimmage in that
first ten yards and a great time. But what I
see out of the league is that a lot of
these long legged six four six ' five guys that
can build up speed. What really matters is when you
hit the jets around twenty five yards, you know, when
(18:16):
you make your move and you're close and now you've
got to run by those guys. And that's when some
of the real stars of the league really emerge, because
then it's just like, So that's my support for the
tall receivers in the league.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But how do you explain Cooper Cup and Puka Nakua,
who aren't for four guys but they're extremely successful.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
Well, I think Cooper is and I love watching him
run and I can't believe I was so stupid. I
never thought of any of this stuff when I was playing.
But he does a little triple move that is just awesome.
So it's like dunt dun duhn, and then the dbs
just get frozen. So it's not like he's there fearing
(18:58):
him running past him as much is they have no
idea which one of these Isaac Curtis could do that
a little bit, Dan, you remember him, my old teammate,
and he had this thing that he got from Paul Warfield.
And it's interesting that I couldn't I didn't do it well,
but and seeing Cooper and now he's teaching at the PUKA.
(19:22):
But Pooka, for the most part, I think is a
fullback playing wide receiver. You know when you watch the
Rams play, how many early downs start with they just
get him the ball in the flat and he runs
over somebody in the second and three and so. But
he's he's a tremendous, tremendous player in both those guys.
The magic of that team has always been the play action,
(19:45):
the run game, the bootlegs off of it. But the
ability of those two guys to make key blocks. I'm
just going back and watching the first Rams Eagles game
and a lot of the big plays that they had
in the running game came from those two guys blocking.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Okay, how do the Rams win this game?
Speaker 9 (20:07):
I think they can. Matthew Stafford has to be great.
He just has to be great. I mean he is.
He can handle anything. He's not going to get hit.
He's not going to let these guys just beat on him. Now,
they did get him a couple of times, but haven
Stein wasn't playing right tackle. It was McClendon last time.
But he's tremendous getting the ball out of his hands
(20:30):
and not having the Kobe Dean.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Is will hurt Philadelphia.
Speaker 9 (20:34):
He really flashed in that first game, a couple of
big tackles for losses and big hits on the quarterback.
He ran over Kyron Williams one time on a pass rush,
so they'll miss him. But it wouldn't surprise me at
all to see this thing come down to a lot
of man coverage on the back end. I mean, there's
just no way that they can let the Eagles just
(20:55):
overpower them again with Saquon Barkley, right, So that means
you got to get up, got to try and stuff
the run.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
You just got to be able to get after.
Speaker 9 (21:03):
Their run game, and whatever happens in the passing game
happens in the passing game.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
It feels like every year there's a surprise in the
divisional round. So if that's the case, give me the
surprise this weekend.
Speaker 9 (21:21):
Yeah, honestly, I probably would have said our game. And
I think that people, and rightfully so, look at the
Eagles as a team that very prominent and could easily
win a Super Bowl. And it's the kind of team
that I like to If I build a football team,
I would build the Philadelphia Eagles. I would build power
(21:42):
on the offensive line. I would build power on the
defensive line. Some of these big guys, Jalen Carter's unbelievable.
I don't know that people give him enough credit for
what he does. He draws double teams from every team
every single time, and if you single.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Block, he blows you away.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
That all being said, I think what we saw out
of the Rams last week gives them a chance because
they really were able to play manned coverage against a
very good Vikings passing game, which surprised me a little bit.
They've really grown in the secondary on the back end
(22:24):
with what they've been able to do, and Matthew Stafford
has the ability to offset a pass rush. He has
the ability with his brain, with his experience to not
give up those big plays. Now, having said that, the
last two series that I watched of this first game
between these two, they took sacks and they couldn't block
(22:45):
those guys inside. So it's you know, but I do
think when you have a veteran quarterback that has the
ability to dictate a game, not get hit, not give
up big sacks, and not throw interceptions, that it does
give you a.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Chance, is it?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Mandatory that when the Texans make the playoffs, they must
play the first game in the playoffs as early on
Saturday afternoon as possible.
Speaker 9 (23:13):
Apparently so the ESPN game we used to call it
back in the day. But you know, the Texans were
impressive last week. I mean, there's just you just have
to say what it is when when they when they
get it going, especially on the defensive side, you know
they have the ability to go get your quarterback. And
(23:34):
the problem is that, I mean, short of Patrick Mahomes
and the Kansas City Chiefs just not liking all this
time off. And I can't imagine a veteran team wouldn't.
But maybe they're just not razor sharp. But I've been
to so many Andy Reid practices over the years. These
guys practice hard. I mean, it's not like when you
(23:57):
when they get time off. It's not like they're flipflops
walking around like the forty nine ers used to do
when they were whipping our butts all the time. But
they come out there and they are practicing and they're
getting after it. So generally there's a reason why Andy's
teams do fine after buys.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
It feels like here's a team that could go for
a three peet, but I think it's being under sold.
I think there is Chiefs fatigue with the media that
you know, if you look at the storylines, Chris, we're
talking about anything but the chief Now, granted it's the
divisional round against the Texans, but we're focusing on the
lines Jayden Daniels, Josh Allen, you know versus Lamar Jackson. Like,
(24:43):
we're going out of our way to make sure that
we're talking about anything but the Kansas City Chiefs. Why
is that.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Because they've converted into a defensive team, not that they
aren't capable, but when't we all like we're overwhelmed watching
the Kansas City Chiefs. It was because Tyreek Hill and
company and they were taking the top off and they're
throwing bombs and mahomes.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Was you know, it was just insane.
Speaker 9 (25:12):
They were scoring points all over the place and it's
really not what they are right now, and they are
still fully capable of doing that. But they got the
fifteen and one this year because of the way they
played defense. And honestly, it was the same thing yesterday
or last year that they really just played great defense.
(25:33):
Chris Jones and company in there those guys, they win
the game on the defensive side. And then we remember
Mahomes making a player Kelsey making a play at the
end of the game and scoring a touchdown. And but
you go back to that Ravens championship game last year.
I mean, it was a fistfight. It was a violent,
(25:55):
violent football game. And I think that's what's missed out
of this when you watch Kansas City where people talk
about him, is you know, Philadelphia I consider a violent
football team. I think Kansas City is too. They've got
that interior wall inside with those great center and two guards.
Physically can come off the ball, and defensively, I think
(26:18):
they're as good as anybody in the league.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
We're talking to Chris collins Worth, NBC Sunday Night Football analyst,
and he'll be on the call with Mike Treco Melissa Stark.
That will be Sunday at three. It's the Rams in
the Eagles. Who has more to gain in Buffalo between
Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.
Speaker 9 (26:39):
Who I think that Josh has at least played well
in really big playoff games. I mean the fact that
they lost that game to Kansas City that year when
he makes that brilliant comeback and with twenty seconds left
or whatever it was, Mahomes comes back. That really wasn't
(27:00):
on him, right, Lamar's coming off a year in which
probably wins the MVP again. I don't know how that
vote's just trying to read the tea leaves of some
of that stuff. But it could be his third MVP
and the only thing he has not done is tear
it up in the postseason. And so you're sitting there
(27:21):
and as a coach, what do you tell him? It's like,
do you tell them, all, right, Lamar, let's put the
ball in your hands, let's go.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
You just be the man.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
Or do you just say, hey, Lamar, just do what
you've done right, We've got King Henry. Let's be patient,
let's do this. Don't feel like you've got to take
it in your own hands, you know. So it's kind
of a quand read. So I'm going to say, Lamar,
I think as great as he has been in the
regular season, he kind of needs to stamp it a
(27:50):
little bit with a Super Bowl championship. In this team,
they're fully capable.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
More valuable off season edition Derek can He or Saquon Barklay.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
I think Saquon Derrick Henry has been really good, and
he's got the compliment of Lamar, but Squon has the
complement of this offensive line. And it's one of the
things that I really I mean, it's it's so I
played receiver. I've played every position in the NFL basically
(28:26):
at one time or another, but I started as an
offensive lineman. But this really highlights the the what this
offensive line has been over the years, right, I mean,
this has been a dominant force for the Philadelphia Eagles.
It was when they won the championship, it is now
if they win another championship, it'll be for that same reason.
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Offensive and defensive lines.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
And I.
Speaker 9 (28:53):
Think that Saquon behind this group has really just shown
what they have been able to do over the years.
And if they win, it'll be Saquan running the ball.
I think they're a very good passing team, but if
they win, it'll be because they overpower teams the rest.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
Of the way.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Why is Mike McCarthy out of the job in Dallas?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I gotta say that one surprised me a little bit.
Speaker 9 (29:23):
You know, if he had won so three out of
four years he won twelve games, right, maybe he didn't.
He couldn't beat the forty nine ers in the playoffs,
and that's what it was. Unfortunately, the decision year was
the year that he didn't win twelve games in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
So and Jerry Jones, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
I just keep watching this Deon Sanders thing, you know,
and you go, okay, I mean, you know, Dion's done
great in Colorado. He's you know, this is a We've
got a new age of football. We're seeing much more
of a college kind of football game happening.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Quarterbacks, that Ron, all this stuff.
Speaker 9 (30:05):
Maybe Dion's the perfect new age head coach too. But
that whole thing is that whole dynamic now is getting
really really really interesting.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
So what are you going to think?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It's real? Chris? You think that Dione possibly to the
Cowboys is real?
Speaker 9 (30:27):
I think anything with the Cowboys is possible. I mean,
come on, how many times do we watch this show?
And it is a show. I mean it is when
you're you walk in that facility, you walk in that stadium,
and the cheerleaders, and I mean from the moment you
(30:47):
arrive in Dallas, you understand it's not a football team.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
It is a show.
Speaker 9 (30:54):
And the ring master is Jerry Jones and whatever whatever
he really leaves sells more tickets to the show and
creates more wins, So you sell more tickets to the show.
He's going to do it. Do I think Dion can
do it? I do, but I'm not sure. But I
got to be honest. You know, there's a reason Lamar
(31:16):
Jackson was the last player picked in the first round.
There were thirty one other teams that weren't sure that
he was going to be able to do what he's doing.
So I'm not saying that Dion can't. We just haven't
seen a former player go coach a couple of years
in college football and go be head coach of the
Cowboys and find a way to make it work with
(31:39):
Jerry is the ring leader. So it's everybody that I
know that's ever been head coach of the Cowboys. They'll
tell you it's different. You know, It's it's not like
being in Green Bay. Is not like being you know,
it's different. There's more to being the head coach in
Dallas and being the head coach.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Fill in the blank, justin Herbert is blank.
Speaker 9 (32:06):
Extremely talented. I didn't think that they had enough this year.
I was actually impressed that. I mean, they went out
in a terrible way for him. You know, that was
not a good performance by him at all in the playoffs.
But I think they've set the table a little bit.
(32:27):
You know, they've established what Horrball wants them to be.
They need help a receiver. They just don't have enough
right now to be able to do really what they want.
They're not going to They can't go compete with the
Philadelphia Eagles of the world, you know, and just go
bang heads in there. So year one take them to
(32:49):
the playoffs. Yeah, I think it's successful, and I do
think he'll come back. I think it was a bad performance.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Before I let you go, Al Michaels joining us, Al,
would you give Chris a little taste of maybe what
they used to share? Jackson drives back there and there
he goes, Chris, we did that to Al Seaton did
his al Michael's in person personation and Al goes, do
(33:21):
I sound like he didn't like it, But now whenever
you hear him and there he goes.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
He has a great way of changing gears and and
dumb it and he's.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Just about out of Josh m maringos.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
We all steal from each other, right, I mean, I
take the best of you and whoever al and you
incorporated in a little bit and everything you do.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Have fun this weekend. Thank you, Chris. Good to talk
to you, man.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Be short. Catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick
Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on
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Speaker 2 (34:09):
I saw a tweet from Ed Werder and of course
always reading Ed Werders tweets, and had something to do
with the Cowboys. Ed is a cowboy insider for w
FAA TV in Dallas, had to do with Dion, had
to do with Jerry Jones, and maybe maybe this is
actually in the on deck circling could happen, and Ed
(34:31):
Werder kind of enough to join us. So you piqued
my interest with this, So explain what your tweet was
all about.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
That was my one and only interest in tweeting Dan
was to get your attention, Thank you, and to have
an opportunity to make a long awaited guest appearance on
the show. If you want to play golf again, let
me know. Yeah, I've I've been obviously following the Cowboys,
you know, for a long time. But you know, certainly
(34:58):
throughout this season and extending that coverage through the dismissal
of Mike McCarthy, which I think surprised a lot of people,
even those of us who covered the team on a
regular basis. And you know, when you start configuring a
list of potential candidates to be the next head coach
(35:18):
only in Dallas do you have to make sure to
include Dion Sanders and Jason Witten former you know Cowboys
tight end great who Jerry is enamored with, who has
only coached at the high school level. Regarding Dion, obviously
we know that he has not yet formally interviewed for
the job.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
The Cowboys have.
Speaker 10 (35:38):
Extended invitations to Leslie Frazier and Robert Salah to be
the first two to interview formerly for the job. But
Dion told Adam Schefter the other day that Jerry Jones
reached out to him and they discussed the job, and
everything I continue to be told Dan is that Jerry
(36:02):
is interested. It was described to me as he's enamored
with the idea. Obviously, It's hard to imagine any coaching
candidate who could create more interest, someone that Jerry could
more sell to the fan base here which needs to
happen and make Jerry more money than Dion Sanders. I mean,
(36:22):
he won a Super Bowl here as a player. So
there are also people around Dion who tell me that
he's being urged by his supporters in Colorado to take
the job, and that they believe if Jerry ever does
offer him the job, that he will take. That he
has an extension to remain at Colorado on his desk
(36:42):
that he hasn't even looked at as he considers these
other possibilities. But you know, I mean, there are also
people close to Dion who tell me they don't see
it happening, but they've seen things happen with Jerry Jones
that they didn't expect to happen before. And he did
hire Barry Switzer, so you can't rule anything out. He's
(37:03):
the most unpredictable owner in the NFL on any subject,
especially this one.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
But do you think that Jerry Jones had somebody in
mind when he was willing to let Mike McCarthy leave.
Speaker 10 (37:14):
I assume that Jerry's done this enough times. This is
his eighth time that he knows before you let somebody
who has some value it has proven himself to the degree.
You know, Mike McCarthy has as a head coach in
this league with two different franchises that you're sure you're
going to get somebody who you think is going to
do a better job.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah, I man for some reason. And I was talking
to Tim Callishaw, of course he covers the Cowboys, and
he said Dion was treating this as if he was
offered the job.
Speaker 7 (37:48):
Like.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
His response was, Hey, I'm honored or humboled or whatever,
but I got work to do as if he was
getting the job offer. And then I thought, well, maybe
is Jerry doing Dion a favor by Hey, maybe we
have some interest here and that helps him even more
with that extension at Colorado. But you think this is real,
(38:09):
This is something that could happen.
Speaker 10 (38:11):
I think it has merit, and I think when we're
talking about Jerry and Dion, you always have to be
wary of how this conversation could benefit each of them,
and it certainly does. But I think there is a
possibility of it happening. I mean, Dion apparently told Adam
Schefter that he doesn't need to use the Cowboys's leverage
(38:34):
to get what he wants at Colorado, that he's him,
and there's probably a lot of truth in that, given
the effect he's had on that program and the attention
he's brought to it and the money that's been dedicated
to the program since then. But yeah, and I think
a key figure if this were to go very far,
would be Mike Zimmer. You know, Mike Zimmer was a
(38:55):
defensive coordinator here this most recent season under Mike McCarthy,
coached under five head coaches in Dallas, and he has
not decided what he's going to do in terms of
whether he wants to continue coaching or not. I think
a lot of that is dependent upon what direction Jerry
decides to go in hiring the next head coach.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
And he would.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
Certainly, almost certainly Dan be a part of it if
Dion Sanders is the coach, because Mike is very close
to Dion. He coached him when he was here. He
was close, so close to his program at Jackson State
and then at Colorado that there were people speculating that
Zimmer was going to be the defensive coordinator of Colorado.
That never happened, but Zimmer made it clear during the
(39:35):
season when we spoke to him that he does frequently
still speak to Deon Sanders, So I'm sure he would
be heavily involved in that. And it's interesting that he
has made no mention or or offered no decision on
his future.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Okay, but we've talked about Jerry and he hires coaches
that are submissive and malleable, and that's not Dion. So
is Jerry finally maybe coming around to that I need
to have somebody be a head coach, act like a
head coach and not be looking over their shoulder constantly.
Speaker 10 (40:09):
Well, do you think that Jerry would think that there's
not room for him to influence Dion Sanders, who's never
coached at the NFL level, on how he' views his
best route to being successful. I think Jerry would see
this as a very a very positive opportunity for him
(40:29):
to influence the way Dion Sanders coaches Jerry's football team. Now,
was interesting that during the season, when Jerry was first
asked about Dion, you know, he praised him as one
of his favorite players of all time and you know
his competitiveness that he brought to the team, but he
also sort of dismissed his value as a head coach
in the NFL because he said, what Dion offers, Now,
(40:52):
that's most attractive and most influences his success at CU
at the college level is his ability to record, and
that's not going to be a significant part of his
success in the NFL should he opt to coach in
the NFL. And that's true, I mean, he could influence
free agents, but the Cowboys have not been heavily involved
(41:14):
in free agency in recent years, to their own detriment.
Quite honestly. You know, they were the last team to
sign a player four out of the last five years.
So it was interesting to me that Jerry thought that
was the most unique ability Dion possessed and that it
would not be a significant factor in whether he succeeded
at the NFL level.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Did Mike McCarthy want out?
Speaker 10 (41:39):
That's not the sense I got. I mean, when the
season ended, he was unequivocal and very public about the
fact that his goal in the next few days was
to remain in Dallas. He said he had made an
investment in Dallas, the Cowboys had made an investment in him.
Speaker 7 (41:54):
I think his.
Speaker 10 (41:55):
Family wanted to be here. I sincerely think Mike McCarthy
wanted it, expected it to work out, And I don't
know that we fully understand the real reasons.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
It did great to talk to you always, ed Thank you. Thanks.
An Edwarder covers the Cowboys for WFAA TV in Dallas.
He's Drome Bett. Jerome bettis the Hall of Fame running back,
won a Super Bowl and a former running back out
of Notre Dame nineteen ninety three draft. I believe do
(42:26):
you see your jersey behind me?
Speaker 7 (42:28):
I see it. I love it. I love That's all
school right there.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
That's rams Jerome Bettis.
Speaker 7 (42:35):
Yeah, that's where.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Do you want that? Bet? Do you want that? Bet?
Speaker 3 (42:41):
No?
Speaker 7 (42:42):
Hey, I appreciate you displaying it proudly. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
How many jerseys do you have? Do you collect jerseys?
Speaker 7 (42:52):
I do have? I do have some. Yeah, I've got
I've got a few. But but what I did was
I collected them as I was playing from different players.
You know, we would trade jerseys and stuff like that.
So I didn't do much like buying jerseys or anything
like that. It were all given to me at one
time or another.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
All right, give me an idea of who you have
what jerseys?
Speaker 7 (43:16):
I mean, my I guess my pride and enjoy would
be uh, Jim Brown. I mean, I didn't play with him,
but he you know, he signed it and everything for me.
Marshall fall I'm trying to think Barry Sanders. It was
a lot of running backs as I think about it.
(43:37):
But the problem is I don't have them displayed. My
wife didn't let me put any of my jerseys up
in the house, so I so wait.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Wait, wait that house bus you them here.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
Here's what you got to understand. It's some battles that's
not worth fighting. And you you gotta know I'm smart
enough to know that was not a fight that I
was willing to put out a lot of capital on.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Okay, but do you have defensive players that you swamp
jerseys with?
Speaker 7 (44:18):
No, I've got. I swapped. I swapped with Erlacker, his shoes,
our shoes. Like in the last one of the last
playoff games, we we traded shoes. So that was pretty unique.
But it was one of those one time things. I
didn't do that very often.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
All righty, let's start with your alma mater. What do
you expect to happen on Monday night.
Speaker 7 (44:47):
I expect to be a very close game. I think
a lot of people will think it's gonna be a blowouts.
I don't. I don't see that being the case. I
think when you look at the teams that Ohio State
struggled with, the team that had a lot of physicality,
and I think that's what Notre Dame brings to the table,
physicality at the point of attack. They're going to run
(45:09):
the football, They're going to be physical on defense. Now,
I will say we're at a bit of a disadvantage
because you know, our best defensive lineman he's he got hurt,
you know, in the first playoff game, and so we
don't We're not as strong as we were up front.
That's a little bit of an issue. But you know,
(45:31):
we we played them a couple of years ago, and
you know, back to back years or one and after
the other, and they were competitive football games, right We
lost there at the end of both games, and so
it tells you that we can play with them. That's
not the issue. The key is we can't give up
big plays on defense, and we have to create some
(45:52):
big plays on offense. I don't see us going eighty
yards down the field every single drive. So we've got
to open it up offense up a little bit and
throw it down the field and be successful.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
You're going to the game?
Speaker 7 (46:06):
Yes, definitely. It's in Atlanta, and I live in Atlanta,
so there's no way I would not be at that one.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
And is your son going to Notre Dame?
Speaker 7 (46:15):
My son is en road, Yes, so he's a he's
a mid year freshman, so he We literally just dropped
him off last weekend Notre Dame, so we're real excited
for him.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Did you cry when you dropped him off?
Speaker 7 (46:31):
No? I didn't cry when I dropped him off. Fortunately
for us, his big sister she goes to Notre Dame
as well, so it gave us a sense of well,
gave me a sense of comfort knowing that his big
sister was there on campus. And my wife, on the
other hand, she left a day or so after me,
(46:54):
so there was some crying. I do understand.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Uh. And that apartment he's Jerome bettis Hall of Fame
running back. The running back is back bus. What happened
in the NFL, See, let.
Speaker 7 (47:08):
Me tell you what happened it running back never left.
The problem was you couldn't find those franchise running backs.
And let me tell you why. So in college they
changed the game in the sense of they went to
these four wide receivers, and they went to this smaller
(47:29):
back so they can go laterally down you know, all
the running in colleges later it's nothing downhill. So they
went to little bitty small running backs. The problem is
the NFL doesn't want little bitty small running backs. They
still want power football downhill. And at some point you
couldn't find the running backs right if they're not coming
(47:50):
from five or six schools, you know, the Georgia's, Alabama's,
the SEC schools, maybe Wisconsin, Notre Dame every now and
then maybe at Ohio State or Michigan running back. But
outside of that, you're not getting running backs from all
over the country like you used to. And so as
a result, the NFL had to go to say, you
(48:13):
know what, we'll figure it out. We'll go with these
guys who can We'll get four guys who can do
what one guy could do. And that's what kind of
happened that and you start having to pay your tight
end and the second receiver, and that money has to
come from somewhere. So they say, you know what, since
we can't find the franchise running back, let's pay these
(48:33):
other guys and if we find one, great if we don't.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
We don't which running back is more prominent in his
team's success, Derrick Henry or Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 7 (48:44):
Oh, that's a good question. That's a great question. I
would have to say Saquon Barkley because we have seen
what the Baltimore offense can do without Henry. It's not
as explosive, but they are darn good without them, right so,
(49:08):
and they've they've gotten to the same level of success.
Now when you look at Philly, they're not as good
as they've been in the past. If you take sat
Kuon Barkley off of that football team, I don't know
if they make the playoffs because they're just not clicking
(49:29):
from a passing game perspective. And so with that being said,
if you don't have sa Quon Barker there, they don't have.
I don't think a chance.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Is Derrick Henry a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 7 (49:42):
Not a question about it. He's what he's been able
to do over the years that he's been able to
been in the NFL. I believe he's Hall of Fame worthy.
Uh So, I don't know what that looks like, but
I do believe he has a all of the characteristics
if his if his career ended tomorrow, I think he
(50:04):
definitely would be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
What's wrong with your Steelers? Ah?
Speaker 7 (50:11):
I think they haven't been able to offensively get it
figured out. They need a second receiver, a big time receiver.
They don't have one on the other side of George Pickens.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (50:30):
They've got to figure out about George Pickens in terms
of can he uh be the player that they need
him to be right on the field, off the field,
all those things.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (50:47):
And so I think they have to sit down with
him and and and get get that figured out. I
think also you got to figure out the quarterback position.
I think Russell is a good quarter back for the time,
but I think the problem is he's not a long
term solution to the issue. They have got to figure
(51:08):
out a long term solution at the quarterback position. And
a lot of you hear a lot of talking heads
speaking about the coach and this and that. You in
the NFL, we've seen this now. This record is not
you know new if you do not have a quarterback
in the NFL, you are not going to win in
(51:30):
the playoffs. That is a That's what we know for sure,
and right now the Stellers have gone through this window
of time where they've been trying to figure out the
quarterback situation and they have failed. They have not gotten
it right. So I think that's what they got to
(51:50):
figure out. I think if you put Russell in the
position where he's got two really good receivers, a really
good offensive line, a good running back, he can be successful.
But to ask Russell Wilson to carry this football team
on his back at the quarterback position, I think it's
unfair to him at the stage in his career.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah, but Bussy, I got to put some of this
on Mike Tomlin that, yeah, you get to the playoffs,
he's helping try to get a quarterback. I don't think
it like he's powerful in that organization. So Mike's involved
in this. So if you're involved, like you can say,
we got to get a quarterback, well, I got to blame.
Put some of the blame on Tomlin that you haven't
(52:33):
found a quarterback.
Speaker 7 (52:35):
Well, here's what you have to do. If Tomlin was
picking all the players, I would say, Okay, another piece
in this puzzle is you have to commit resources, right,
and so that means you've got to give up a
couple first round picks. Right. Well, the Steelers, the draft
(52:57):
is very instrumental in how they build their football team.
So this is not a head coach decision in terms
of what they will have to do in terms of
draft capital to go up and get a quarter Now,
maybe they haven't seen a quarterback that it's worth you know,
(53:18):
packaging and mortgaging the future on. And I get that
that may be the case, but I believe because of
I mean, they're prisoner of coach tomlins success because they
don't they have to lose the season. They're picking anywhere
from eighteen to twenty five to twenty seven. You're not
going to get a quarterback there, right, And so because
(53:39):
in the last seventeen years or whatever it is, they
have been there, that's where they're drafting. So they've got
to make a fundamental decision on how do we get
the quarterback in there. The one year when I was
there that everything fell apart, and I think it was
probably the only year that we were, you know, under
(54:00):
five hundred with coach Kywer it was six and ten.
We got we got Ben that year, right, And so
you don't get that's the situation you're not able to
get that quarterback. And so I think at the end
of the day, there has to be some high level
discussions on aren't we willing to commit multiple first round
(54:21):
picks to go get the quarterback that we need. Now
they're trying to get players that have gone from team
to team, and for the most part, some of these guys,
their careers are more behind them than ahead of them, right,
And you're not going to solve the problem with that
(54:41):
type of scenario. You can, you can get from year
to year, but it's not sustainable at the quarterback position.
And that's the difficult, difficult part of the scenario that
the stealers are in.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
It's Ben Roethlisberger still the best quarterback in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 7 (55:04):
That's a good one. No, I definitely don't believe. So
I know he's still throwing it. He's still throwing it
to his kids in the backyard, But I don't know.
I don't know if we can put him out of
a target and go for it.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Uh have fun on Monday night there, and uh good
to good to catch up with you again, Bussy.
Speaker 7 (55:24):
Hey, thank you man, And you could have had any
jersey you wanted at that spot you put mine. I'm honored,
thank you so much. I appreciate you
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