January 31, 2025 • 36 mins
Dan reacts to NFL fans' hatred for the Chiefs. NBA insider Vincent Goodwill shares his thoughts on the NBA's obsession with fixing what isn't broken and calls for other ways to minimize delays during games. And comedian Jim Gaffigan reflects on his career and talks about his failed football career.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
A lot of it has been made of the Chiefs.
They're villains, and I keep thinking, are they villains? You
know when you talk about a villain, I think about
the Bad Boys, the Pistons, like like they were villains,
but they embraced it.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Here.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You know, there's certain wrestlers who like being the villain.
But you know, what is a villain? I have the definition,
but I want you to hear from Travis Kelsey was
on his podcast with his brother and talking about embracing
being a villain in the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
At one point, at one point in time, you know,
it wasn't that and.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
You were the sender.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
You guys were the dollars in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
I was the do you feel bad for him?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Guys and you're not the helm.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
I'm just I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying doing this with the
guys together, the guys that we have in there, because
it's it's like it just makes us even more of
a family.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Okay, that's the New High Podcasts with the brothers. A
villain is a character person who is intentionally evil or
harmful to others. Villains can be fictional or based on
real people. So the intentional part of that, are they
intentionally evil? Are they intentionally good or great? I think
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they came along at a time we were like, yeah,
somebody other than the Patriots, and then all of a sudden,
it's like, now we're waiting for somebody other than the
Kansas City Chiefs. But I mean Patrick Mahomes not a villain. Kelsey,
Andy Reid, Chris Jones, I don't get it. I think
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we're tired of the story. And that's natural for sports fans.
It's like, okay, somebody else. Boy, we're really rooting for
Buffalo or we're rooting against Kansas City because we want
somebody else in there. Buffalo would be great, you know,
Baltimore would be great. We want somebody else in there.
This happens with dynasties. We get tired, same stories, same people.
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Everybody's doing commercials. It's a big deal. Every game is
the nationally televised game. It's the big one on Sunday
night or Sunday afternoon on Fox or CBS. So we're
so familiar with this story that that's why we wanted
something else. Even the Eagles, you know, we had them
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in the Super Bowl a couple of years ago. We're
very familiar with the Eagles. Now you got Sakwuon Barkley. Okay,
you can root for them. And I never thought I
would hear, you know, the national audience saying, yeah, I
guess I'll root for the Eagles. You know, it's like
Notre Dame or Duke Basketball, uh, somebody other than them.
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Then Notre Dame became likable this year. It's like, oh,
you know, there's a national audience that's going, hey, I
kind of like Notre Dame this year. So then I'm
not buying. But Kansas City should embrace it because it's there,
it's real, and you know, fans want to see Kansas City.
I don't know if they want to see the Eagles
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win as much as they want to see Kansas City lose.
They want to see what happens with Travis Kelce when
he's walking off the field, Taylor Swift, Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid.
But I look at this as extremely skilled football. All
three phases. They just do it right and I can't
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argue about that. I can't complain about that. Do they
get calls? Is the perception they're getting calls, yes, but
it's not their fault. You know, if they take advantage
of the rules, then change the rules. You know, the Patriots,
you could say we're villains because they cheated and they
were involved in a couple of nefarious situations there. Their
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head coach wasn't likable. Brady we embraced because it was
an underdog story, Julian Edelman underdogs, like they had so
many underdog stories. And then we got tired of them,
and then they're cheating, and then all of a sudden
you hated to see Brady's face because, you know, the
good looking quarterback got the cheerleader and won the championship.
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Bill Belichick always grumpy even if he won. You know,
we got tired of all of that. But I viewed
them as villains, not the Kansas City chief So if
it helps the Chiefs and Travis Kelcey and you embrace that,
then great. But I don't look at them as villains.
I look at them as one of the great teams
of all time with what they've done this run Mahomes
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and what he's done historical Andy Reid, what he's done
to maybe be he's the guy who couldn't win the
big game. Remember, couldn't win the big game? And then
he goes to Kansas City. Huh great, Yeah, maybe you'll
get to a conference title game. He was good doing
that in Philadelphia. Now we're looking at him. Man, guy's
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an offensive genius. He should be up there with Shula, Belichick, Lombard,
I mean, all the greats, and rightfully so. And Mahomes.
He's going to be the greatest quarterback of all time
probably when it's all said in What did he do wrong? Exactly?
I don't know what he did wrong? I mean, is
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he cocky? Does he get calls? Okay? That doesn't make
him a villain? Now, that can make you root against
them because they get the calls. You know, Brady got called.
The greats get calls, or the perception is they got
a call. And they're always on national TV, so you're
seeing all this. They don't play one o'clock games, not
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very often. Every game is magnified. Every game Monday is
a referendum on that game and that team.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yes, Marvin, I think for Mahomes, I think it's the
people around Patrick Mahomes that makes people root against him.
It's not even Patrick Mahomes himself. It's the people around him.
I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Maybe referencing family members there maybe yeah, yeah, but that
doesn't make him a villain. That doesn't make the Chiefs
a villain. But I would say most people, if you're
not an Eagles fan or a Chiefs fan, you're rooting
against the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. It probably if
you did a football map, I would guess that most
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of the states would be rooting, maybe not for the Eagles,
but against the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah, pulling.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
I think your point was right when you explain what
villain means intentional, the word intentional. If you go back
to Belichick, especially the last six or seven years of
that run, he was difficult with the media on purpose,
and it seemed like he got more difficult and it's
us against the world, and I'm going to give you
a hard time because I've got a handful of rings
and he could get away with it. So and also
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the cheating accusations, some real, some not with the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Villainin a character in a story who opposes the hero
A person who is guilty of or likely to commit
a crime, A person who is cruel or evil, a
person who is blame for a particular evil. Certain villains
Hannibal Lecter, Norman Bates, Darth Vader, the Wicked Witch of
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the West, the Wicked Witch of the AFC West, Bill
Lame Beer h But hey, I don't blame you, embrace it.
You might as well. Hey, all right now, they can't
say nobody thought we would be here. You know, it's
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not one of those like their villains are favorites as
far as you're not an underdog story, because it's hard
to hate a villain who's an underdog. Yes, yes, Neil, I.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Think they've also been preseason betting favorites for like six.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Years in a round. Yes, yes, this isn't one of
those oh my gosh, heartwarming stories. It's not. But when
you think about it, Mahomes was nobody in college. Kelsey
was a former quarterback. He played it since an, I mean,
came out of nowhere. Nobody knows where Chris Jones went
to college. I mean that's why when you start to
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look at Isaiah Pacheco went to Rutgers Tyreek Hill. Now
you know, you could maybe not like Tyreek Hill, but
they traded him away and they did a great job
finding Tyreek Hill. So I look at that front office unbelievable,
plug and play unbelievable. And the constant is your GM,
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your coach, and your quarterback and not in that order.
It should be a story that we embrace or at
least we respect. But it's almost like, oh God, this
is going to happen on Super Bowl Sunday. There'll be
that moment where, oh god, they get all the calls.
It's going to happen. And I hate when it happens
because then we lose sight even leading up to the
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Super Bowl. This is going to be a big storyline
next week. Oh the villains, people hate us, that's okay?
Or people saying, oh, they get all the calls? Are
they going to change the rules in the off season?
Adam Schefter joins us. Now, Schefty, are they going to
change the rules? Yes, help is on the way, Like
that's what it's going to be instead of these are
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two great teams, really really well run. When you look
at the GMS, the talent both sides of the ball.
Yetto Chiefs are a one and a half point favorite.
I mean, this is what you want. You want a
super Bowl, You know I used to cover the Super
Bowls when it would be how badly is the AFC
going to lose? How badly are the Broncos going to lose?
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Oh it's fifty five to ten. You want all right, sorry,
DoD You want competition, you want a great game, and
there's so many things at stake. What would a Super
Bowl do for Jalen Hurts, Nick Sirianni, Saquon Barklay. We'll
talk about that next hour. Add another super Bowl to
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Andy Reid's resume or Patrick mahomes resume? Does Kelsey retire
after a Super Bowl win? Like, there's a lot of
great storylines here, and you know, there are times when
I can be a cynic, but you know, I still
love covering sports. I don't. I hate being the Oh God,
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they get all the calls. That's not fair. They cheat
whatever it might be. They spend more money than any
But then you lose sight of what we grew up
wanting and we took for granted, there weren't controversies when
we were growing up. I don't know if anybody said
kind of I hate the Packers in the late sixties,
You're like, damn, they're good. Kansas City. Man, they got
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a weird huddle with Lenny Dawson and Hankstraham. But I
like him Joe Namath, Like, that's what you grow up with.
I'm okay with a you know, a guy or a
team that you want to beat that they're the team
to beat. I'm okay. You know, I grew up a
UCLA fan, and everybody wanted to beat Ucla. But I
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like the fact that there was that one team you
wanted to beat. The Cowboys for a while, the Packers
for a while, the Steelers for a while, the Niners
for a while. Man, We're so lucky to have those
years where you saw greatness, true greatness.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Yeah, Pauline, I want to ask you a back of
the day question before we break. When Joe Namath was
going to win the Super Bowl or getting ready to
win the Super Bowl, was he beloved embraced by the
national sports fans or was he like, oh, this cocky
guy from this upstart league.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I think that since they were eighteen point underdogs, that
there was a like a snickering curiosity of damn, can't
believe he guaranteed they were going to beat the Colts.
And you know, he had long hair, so he looked
like he was, you know, the fifth Beatle. But when
you watched him play at white shoes and then if
he was not able to play, had this big fur
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white fur coat on, and so there was a curiosity.
But I don't know if he was warmly embraced. I
think because I grew up as an AFC AFL fan,
I should say an AFL fan, So I loved that
they were wide open football. The NFL was boring. It
was like three yards here and here's a suite for
four yards and there's a seven yard touchdown. Like it
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was boring. The AFL it was awesome. It was like
the ABA. It was fun. And then you know, the
same thing happened in the NBA. The NBA looked at
the ABA and go, man, they're doing some fun things.
The NFL did that with the AFL. Bring those teams in,
they're having fun, the Chargers, Kansas City Chiefs, the Jets.
So you know, this just goes along. You know, this
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is history. Every few years it's that guy or that
team or both. And that's what's to me great about this.
It's why I still love coming to work every day.
You have these stories, they're fun, Embrace them.
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Speaker 2 (14:03):
We make way for Vincent Goodwill, one of our favorites
covering the NBA. Yahoo's Sports Senior NBA writer, host of
the Good Word podcast. Great to have you on again.
Not sure how you reacted to Commissioner Silver saying an
idea that he liked, not that he's pushing for it,
not that it's going to happen next season. Ten minute quarters,
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forty minute games, your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Man, people come on your show, and all of a
sudden you ask crazy questions, you get crazy answers, and
all of a sudden you get aggregated because the commissioner
comes on your show and behaves like he's not the
commissioner but like he's a fan that's watching the game
and saying, Ah, these damn games are too long. I
can't stay awake all for two and a half hours.
(14:53):
How about this, here's a radical idea, Commissioner Silver and
Commissioner Dan Patrick, how about we eliminate these reviews. When
I'm at in an arena and these reviews take fifteen minutes.
I'm exaggerating slightly for something that we can all see.
I know we want to get calls, right, I know
we want to We have all these different angles and
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you know, if it touched the fingertip of someone's finger
when it went off of the other guy's hand, like
that type of thing. There's ways you can expedite the
process of the game without messing with the structural integrity
and history of the game. And you know me, I
live in the crates. We don't have to we don't
have to shorten this. And how about we stop telling
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people that something is wrong with the game. If you're
telling people something is wrong with the game, then people
will start believing that something is wrong with the game.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But his goal is international global domination. Where you play
this in the Olympics, and you play this in the
euro League. You know probably seven of your top ten
players are from Europe or outside the United States. So
maybe looking at uniform normity there, and look, I'm not
forid er against it, but I'm open to it, Dan,
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that's the difference. I'm open to it.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Dan.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Why do those foreign players play in the NBA and
not in the euroleagues.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Because they make more money over here.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Okay, so if this is the standard, then you set
the standard here, you don't follow the standard. I believe
it was the wise philosopher JJ Reddick. We set that
last night, and I've never said those words in concert.
Philosopher JJ Reddick.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Hey, Steve, Steve Kerr said you gotta open your mind.
You got to be open minded to this.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Why is it always the NBA that has to make
these radical changes? Like baseball is nine innings? The NFL is.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Baseball did a pitch count a clock? Oh my god,
people went crazy. They made the vibit is larger. People
went crazy. The kickoffs in the NFL, people went crazy.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Is it still twenty seven outs?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah? Okay, is it still twenty seven? It is twenty
seven out?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I would I'm just curious it's still twenty seven outs.
And my thing is with the NBA as a whole,
there's always this appearance that something is wrong and it
has to be fixed. There's tweaks that you make, there's
ways to get ahead. They're behind on this three point stuff, right, Dan.
They are severely behind on all this three point stuff.
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But when you talk about the history, the integrity of
the game. I know I'm an old young person, but
I don't have a problem with the game being forty
eight minutes. How about this, Dan, here's a novel concept.
If the game starts at seven thirty. How about the
game actually starts at seven thirty and not seven forty five?
Not a cut off some time for TV?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Wait, this is.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Not that hard?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Is that your Chris Rock impersonation?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
It little bit?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It kind of sounded like that. Why don't you started
at seven point thirty? Okay? Do you have a tweak
for the three point line?
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Two things that I would entertain, one a little more
serious than others. The corner three is such a shot
that everybody aims towards right because it's so much shorter
than the other three point line? Can we make the
line across the way? Can we widen the floor, which
we know we won't do because you got to sell
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those expensive tickets. So if you're not going to widen
the floor, eliminate the corner three? Or Dan, the best
idea for me, how about we allow to hand check
on the perimeter. That way, you don't give up the
easy switches where you have bigs running out at guards.
That compromises the integrity of your defense, and you give
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defenses a chance. It's not so much that the three
point shot is taken in abundance, it's that it's the
easier shot to take because defenses don't get a chance
to run at you, when if they do run at you,
you wind up getting flagrant files or something like that.
Because you can test the jump shot, you're not giving
defenses a chance. So if you give someone a little arball,
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maybe they'll be more likely to explore the other real estate.
There's some good real estate in the middle of the floor.
No matter what the nerves tell you, a sixteen foot
shot is far easier than a twenty foot shot. But
if you notice two, then dudes are not taught to
shoot that. So when they get in the sixteen foot range,
they throw up these crappy floaters as opposed to shooting
an actual jump shot. If the game is broken, the
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game is broken in the way that is being taught,
not the way that's being played at this level.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Vincent Goodwill, yahoo's Sports senior NBA writer, host of The
Good Word Podcast. I've said for years we need to
widen the floor a little bit because the corner three.
You know what you talked about. How about we limit
the number, we cap the number of threes your team
can take at twenty five. Therefore, the people you want
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to take the three will, the better shooters will take
the threes, And now it becomes a little bit more
of an economical game of when do you take those
three and when do you not?
Speaker 4 (20:02):
My problem with that, Dan is if a player gets
on a heater, right, if Stephen Curry is on a heater,
they theoretically theoretically right. But I don't want to strut
like the NFL saying you can only throw forty passes
a game because you got to run the ball thirty times. Like,
there has to be good decision making in this, not
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saying you can only do this a certain amount of time.
You want to be stupid and take fifty three is
a game, Go ahead and be stupid. I'm not going
to prevent you from your stupidity. It's just the league.
What the league's problem is on this front, Dan, is
the league's job. They assume that structurally and from an
entertainment standpoint, that the executives and the coaches and the
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analytics people are looking out for the best interests of
the game and how it looks esthetically. That's the league's job.
Those other people, they're looking for ways to cheat the system.
Like Dan, when I was in college and I was,
you know, a broke college student, I was looking for
ways to sneak inside the cafeteria when nobody was watching.
That's not on that's on me to try to beat
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the system. It's on you to fix the system.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Okay, let's get to the those players. Give me the
biggest snub and if you give me a name, who
are you taking off the roster? Because that's the way
it works. Although most people just say somebody got snubbed,
who are you taking off? Vincent, I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I hate the people who say, oh, such as such
get snubbed and then we get an All Star team
with twenty eyes, right, I will say that if I
won't say if the Mantas, Sabonis and Sacramento got snubbed.
But to me, that's the guy that I'm looking and
I'm like, yeah, I can see why he has a
strong case. Leena Ligan rebounding. The Kings are above five hundred.
They've been a winning team as of late since the
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firing of Mike Brown. But I'm not taking off our
permission going I'm not putting Trey Young on the All
Star team, like I'm not putting Lamello Ball on the
All Star team. If this were I would say this, Dan,
if this were an actual All Star game with great
defense and you're going to need some creativity, somebody's going
to do something wild and crazy to shake it up.
Give me Lamello Ball, give me Trey Young. But as
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far as how they've played their effect on winning, what
the numbers say, beyond the row statistics, I think By
and Lars, the coaches got it right.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, I would take James Harden off.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I'm not going to necessarily argue with I think he's
had a good I think he's had a really good
year in LA fourteen that we didn't expect much from.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, Sacramento with Sabona, I mean, it's hard to argue
those numbers. I mean, he gets he gets overshadowed by
Djok when it comes to all points and rebounds and assists, Well,
nobody compares to him but James Harden.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I mean, I don't think this is a great James
Harden year. By James Harden standards. We're talking about arguably
maybe one of the top five or six shooting guards
in league's history. You know what I mean, Like when
you zoomd and you look at what he's done, the
effect on the game, not necessarily aesthetically in what he's
accomplished from a team standpoint, but when he's done, you're
gonna look at, say, man, James Harden was really good.
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It's just I think this Clippers team has been much
better than people expected. There was a case for Norm
Powell on that very team, who's leading the team in scoring.
So I'm not gonna argue with you on that one. Dan.
I know we come and spar a little bit. I
don't really have an argument if you say James Harden
off and the Matta Sabonis on that might be the
only one. But I'm not going to the wall for it.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Okay, give me, give me somebody who's moved at the
trade deadline that we care about.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Man, Look, we all know that Jimmy Butler and this
Miami heat thing is going to you know look that Look,
all that's left for pat Ryer to do is to
kiss Jimmy and say you broke my heart. And put
them on a plane to Havana or something like that.
Like that's all that's left, right, right, I think that's
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all that's left essentially for Bubet. He has to be
Dan this. If there's a question to ask Adam Silver,
it is are you comfortable with these standoffs between players
and teams, legacy players and legacy franchises that gum up
the attention of the season. So yeah, Jimmy Butler should
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be gone. And pat Riley in the Miami Heat I
wrote about it. I know people don't like hearing about
it and saying about it. They are just as culpable
as Jimmy Butler's activities for the situation. They should have
moved him the second they told him, we're not going
to give you an extension. That's the way it goes
in the NBA. If your star player does not feel appreciated,
he wants an extension, you're not going to give it
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to him, no matter how much you're paying him. You
trade him to prevent something like this, because if nothing else,
we know Jimmy Butler's movies, he's going You know that.
You know that, Jeff. You're probably online. Dan, there's like
someone on a swing and there's a building burning behind him.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm running out of time. Vincent, Vincent Goodwill. Yeah, Who's Sports.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
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Speaker 2 (25:14):
Jim Gaffigan currently on his Everything Is Wonderful Tour. You
can check out the new special The Skinny, now streaming
on Hulu as we make way for that former college
football great Jim Gaffigan back on the program. All the memories,
the older you get, the better you were in college, Jim.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
You know, it's it's one of those things where I
I you know, I literally didn't barely played. So but
it is a nice little fact that is like an
asterisk next to my name and there's a picture of
me when I walked on at Purdue. But I was
literally there for two weeks. And now people are like, yeah,
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the Big ten football player.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I remember that game he played against Ohio State. He
was incredible. Jimmy Gaffigan was all over the field.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah, it's just sad that I didn't play in the NFL,
you know, even though I didn't really even play a
divisionwide A.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Lot of hair back then too.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I had some hair back there that was really good
old days of hair, and you know, energy stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, when people see you out, Let's say you're walking
into New York and you know Sally and Tommy from
Tulsa come up and go Jim Gaffigan, how much pressure
do you have to be funny in the moment? Like
did you have a go to joke or line that
you say?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
You know, sometimes people will say you look like Jim Gaffigan,
and I'll go, I hope I do that. Guy's good
luck here, you know. But otherwise, you know, usually I
find that I get a lot of if it's a
really beautiful woman that comes up to me and has
like a certain excitement, they use really always say my
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grandfather is a big fan. There's it's you know, there's
going to be something to take the air out of me.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, is there part of you? Some comedians like to
go up there and kind of in the moment make
up something or degree of difficulty where they don't want
to go as scripted. Are you one of those method comedians?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
You know? At different times. I mean that's where I
think a really good audience when it's really flowing. That's
when kind of magic hits. You know. I don't want
to sound like Bono. You know, it's not like the
Holy Spirit is coming down and giving me words, but
there is something of when you're in front of an
(27:46):
audience that understands your sensibility and you can kind of
play and uh, it's like joking around with friends. It's yeah,
it really can be great.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Give me the joke you wish you had written.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Oh, I mean, I love you know. Larry Miller had
the Five Stages of Drinking, which I think is really brilliant.
I don't know if you're familiar with that, but he
also has Larry Miller has a very matter of fact delivery.
(28:22):
He's kind of one of the best from that eighties era.
I love George Carlin's Chunk on Suicide, which is just
so dark and so perfectly George carl And he goes
right now somewhere someone's getting ready to kill themselves, you
(28:45):
know what I mean, And just he goes through someone
trying to plan their own suicide and just you know,
I can't do it. That day, I got a meeting
with Mavis and stuff like this, Mom's coming over. Maybe
I should do it when Mom's coming over. So it's
just really dark and cynical, and he does it with
such glee. It's so amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Do you can you give us the five stages of drinking?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Well, the five stages Larry Miller's five stages, which people
should google. It's because I'm gonna not do it. Justice
is the It's it's a it's it's familiar. It's like
you go, you know, You're like, you're gonna go out
with friends during the week. You're gonna have a drink,
and then you'll be home by blank, you know, by eight,
(29:33):
you'll be in bed by ten, and then before you
know it, then it's the second stage. You know, it's
it's midnight and you're like, all right, that's fine. If
I go home right now, I can get five hours
of sleep. And then the next stage is like you're
drinking some blue liquid that you all you know is
(29:55):
they clean combs with it in the barbershop, and besides,
you don't even need to sleep. You're gonna tough it through.
Then the next stage is you're driving to Florida. And
then the next stage is you've met a woman who
has a tattoo that says something ridiculous and she's the
(30:18):
most beautiful woman you've ever met. And then then he
talks about like the last age is when you're you
leave the bar and the sun's out and it's just,
you know, you feel like you're walking on the surface
of the sun. It's it's simply brilliant and neat and
tidy and encompasses everyone who's had that regret.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
You know, did you get into bad situations habits when
you're on the road before you got married?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Oh? Yeah, I mean, you know, the for me, I
actually never really I went through a period where for
about ten years I didn't I didn't drink or do
anything because I you know, when I had a day
job and I was taking acting classes and I was
doing stand up at night. I would get sick once
(31:10):
a month. So I was like, I'm just going to
get rid of drinking. And so I you know, really
I almost kind of started drinking when I got married.
But I go through different phases. You know, now I'm
now I'm I'm a bourbon drinker, and you know that
(31:33):
would you know ten years ago that would never be
the case.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So have you gone on stage having been drinking? No?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
No, I can't really. I'm such a low energy guy
that I can't really even eat that much before I
go on stage because I'm so slow talking.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
He's Jim Gaffigan, the comedian, actor, writer, producer, author. Damn,
that's a lot of things there, are you truly all
of those?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I mean, you know it's you know, you write a book.
You know, it's like, am I an author? Or did I,
you know, complain about my kids for.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
One hundred He is currently on his Everything Is Wonderful tour,
and you can also check out his new special The Skinny,
now streaming on Hulu. How often do your kids your
wife saying, hey, don't make this part of your act
because things happen naturally at home where you go.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
That's funny, Yeah, it's there's no I mean, first of all,
I never ask, hopefully my kids would care more about
if I posted a photo that they appeared in than
me referencing. And I also have five kids, so when
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I reference a son, it can be one of the
three sons, and or if I reference a kid, it
can be one of five. So there is plausible deniability
for each of them. But you know, when it comes
to the wife, that's that's a different thing. And you
know there is you know, you know the days of
(33:18):
Henny Youngman, like take my Wife. You know that you
have to craft it in a way because you know
an audience is savvy and and you know, a guy
complaining about his wife is considered hack and and people
are suspicious of it. So but you can craft it
in a way where you just kind of pile on
(33:40):
yourself a little bit and then you can throw up,
you know, something at your wife here and there.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
First comedian you saw and you said, that's what I
want to do.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
I think I remember seeing Jonathan Winters on I think
MERV Griffin or something like that. But uh, yeah, there
was something really funny about him. You know, it was
all self contained and it wasn't the jokes were kind
(34:12):
of hidden that I thought was really interesting, But I
don't know. Sometimes it's it's a blur, you know. And
also being from Indiana seeing Letterman on TV, it just
he was hit. Him and John Mellencamp were the only
people that like were from Indiana that it seemed to
(34:32):
do anything. Obviously it's not true, but like to the
Teenage Meet, it was like, wow, those are the two
guys that got out.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
What was it like the first time you were on Letterman?
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Oh, it's you know, it was you know, the business
has changed so much, but it was the threshold of
status among uh, particularly New York comedians. But I would
say comedians at that time. It was, you know, the
(35:04):
credit that everyone wanted because if you you know, the
first ten years I was doing stand up. Obviously it's
different today, but if you said you were a stand up,
they would say have you been on Letterman or the
Tonight Show? And if you said no, they'd kind of
look at you like, oh, uh, you're crazy, you know
what I mean? Or you're just saying that you're a comedian.
(35:25):
So it gave you legitimacy.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, and then to hear Dave laugh if you're a
stand up comedian, or if Johnny Carson brought the comedian
over and you got to sit down next to Johnny,
then you had made it like now, yeah, he had
separated you absolutely.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
And I feel like I was the last one of
my comedy peer group that really got a late night show,
and it was Letterman, and I was invited over to
sit on the couch afterwards, and I got a development deal.
Dave and Worldwide pants, and Robert Att gave me a
(36:06):
development deal, and that really shifted a lot of things
because if Letterman thought you were funny, then people in
the entertainment industry were much more open to viewing you
as talented, because it's the entertainment industry is so risk averse,
Like we have this notion that people are discovered in
(36:27):
soda shops, but like really that, you know, people try
and eliminate any risk.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Obviously, we'll have fun on the road. Jim Gaffigan a
man of many hats. Well he's got one hat on,
but he's a comedian, actor, writer, producer, author, and a
football legend. The new special The Skinny, now streaming on Hula.
Thanks Jim, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
That's Jim Gaffiga.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
A lot of it has been made of the Chiefs.
They're villains, and I keep thinking, are they villains? You
know when you talk about a villain, I think about
the Bad Boys, the Pistons, like like they were villains,
but they embraced it.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Here.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You know, there's certain wrestlers who like being the villain.
But you know, what is a villain? I have the definition,
but I want you to hear from Travis Kelsey was
on his podcast with his brother and talking about embracing
being a villain in the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
At one point, at one point in time, you know,
it wasn't that and.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
You were the sender.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
You guys were the dollars in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
I was the do you feel bad for him?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Guys and you're not the helm.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
I'm just I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying doing this with the
guys together, the guys that we have in there, because
it's it's like it just makes us even more of
a family.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Okay, that's the New High Podcasts with the brothers. A
villain is a character person who is intentionally evil or
harmful to others. Villains can be fictional or based on
real people. So the intentional part of that, are they
intentionally evil? Are they intentionally good or great? I think
(01:20):
they came along at a time we were like, yeah,
somebody other than the Patriots, and then all of a sudden,
it's like, now we're waiting for somebody other than the
Kansas City Chiefs. But I mean Patrick Mahomes not a villain. Kelsey,
Andy Reid, Chris Jones, I don't get it. I think
(01:41):
we're tired of the story. And that's natural for sports fans.
It's like, okay, somebody else. Boy, we're really rooting for
Buffalo or we're rooting against Kansas City because we want
somebody else in there. Buffalo would be great, you know,
Baltimore would be great. We want somebody else in there.
This happens with dynasties. We get tired, same stories, same people.
(02:02):
Everybody's doing commercials. It's a big deal. Every game is
the nationally televised game. It's the big one on Sunday
night or Sunday afternoon on Fox or CBS. So we're
so familiar with this story that that's why we wanted
something else. Even the Eagles, you know, we had them
(02:22):
in the Super Bowl a couple of years ago. We're
very familiar with the Eagles. Now you got Sakwuon Barkley. Okay,
you can root for them. And I never thought I
would hear, you know, the national audience saying, yeah, I
guess I'll root for the Eagles. You know, it's like
Notre Dame or Duke Basketball, uh, somebody other than them.
(02:43):
Then Notre Dame became likable this year. It's like, oh,
you know, there's a national audience that's going, hey, I
kind of like Notre Dame this year. So then I'm
not buying. But Kansas City should embrace it because it's there,
it's real, and you know, fans want to see Kansas City.
I don't know if they want to see the Eagles
(03:04):
win as much as they want to see Kansas City lose.
They want to see what happens with Travis Kelce when
he's walking off the field, Taylor Swift, Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid.
But I look at this as extremely skilled football. All
three phases. They just do it right and I can't
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argue about that. I can't complain about that. Do they
get calls? Is the perception they're getting calls, yes, but
it's not their fault. You know, if they take advantage
of the rules, then change the rules. You know, the Patriots,
you could say we're villains because they cheated and they
were involved in a couple of nefarious situations there. Their
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head coach wasn't likable. Brady we embraced because it was
an underdog story, Julian Edelman underdogs, like they had so
many underdog stories. And then we got tired of them,
and then they're cheating, and then all of a sudden
you hated to see Brady's face because, you know, the
good looking quarterback got the cheerleader and won the championship.
(04:11):
Bill Belichick always grumpy even if he won. You know,
we got tired of all of that. But I viewed
them as villains, not the Kansas City chief So if
it helps the Chiefs and Travis Kelcey and you embrace that,
then great. But I don't look at them as villains.
I look at them as one of the great teams
of all time with what they've done this run Mahomes
(04:34):
and what he's done historical Andy Reid, what he's done
to maybe be he's the guy who couldn't win the
big game. Remember, couldn't win the big game? And then
he goes to Kansas City. Huh great, Yeah, maybe you'll
get to a conference title game. He was good doing
that in Philadelphia. Now we're looking at him. Man, guy's
(04:54):
an offensive genius. He should be up there with Shula, Belichick, Lombard,
I mean, all the greats, and rightfully so. And Mahomes.
He's going to be the greatest quarterback of all time
probably when it's all said in What did he do wrong? Exactly?
I don't know what he did wrong? I mean, is
(05:15):
he cocky? Does he get calls? Okay? That doesn't make
him a villain? Now, that can make you root against
them because they get the calls. You know, Brady got called.
The greats get calls, or the perception is they got
a call. And they're always on national TV, so you're
seeing all this. They don't play one o'clock games, not
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very often. Every game is magnified. Every game Monday is
a referendum on that game and that team.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yes, Marvin, I think for Mahomes, I think it's the
people around Patrick Mahomes that makes people root against him.
It's not even Patrick Mahomes himself. It's the people around him.
I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Maybe referencing family members there maybe yeah, yeah, but that
doesn't make him a villain. That doesn't make the Chiefs
a villain. But I would say most people, if you're
not an Eagles fan or a Chiefs fan, you're rooting
against the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. It probably if
you did a football map, I would guess that most
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of the states would be rooting, maybe not for the Eagles,
but against the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah, pulling.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
I think your point was right when you explain what
villain means intentional, the word intentional. If you go back
to Belichick, especially the last six or seven years of
that run, he was difficult with the media on purpose,
and it seemed like he got more difficult and it's
us against the world, and I'm going to give you
a hard time because I've got a handful of rings
and he could get away with it. So and also
(06:43):
the cheating accusations, some real, some not with the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Villainin a character in a story who opposes the hero
A person who is guilty of or likely to commit
a crime, A person who is cruel or evil, a
person who is blame for a particular evil. Certain villains
Hannibal Lecter, Norman Bates, Darth Vader, the Wicked Witch of
(07:11):
the West, the Wicked Witch of the AFC West, Bill
Lame Beer h But hey, I don't blame you, embrace it.
You might as well. Hey, all right now, they can't
say nobody thought we would be here. You know, it's
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not one of those like their villains are favorites as
far as you're not an underdog story, because it's hard
to hate a villain who's an underdog. Yes, yes, Neil, I.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Think they've also been preseason betting favorites for like six.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Years in a round. Yes, yes, this isn't one of
those oh my gosh, heartwarming stories. It's not. But when
you think about it, Mahomes was nobody in college. Kelsey
was a former quarterback. He played it since an, I mean,
came out of nowhere. Nobody knows where Chris Jones went
to college. I mean that's why when you start to
(08:08):
look at Isaiah Pacheco went to Rutgers Tyreek Hill. Now
you know, you could maybe not like Tyreek Hill, but
they traded him away and they did a great job
finding Tyreek Hill. So I look at that front office unbelievable,
plug and play unbelievable. And the constant is your GM,
(08:28):
your coach, and your quarterback and not in that order.
It should be a story that we embrace or at
least we respect. But it's almost like, oh God, this
is going to happen on Super Bowl Sunday. There'll be
that moment where, oh god, they get all the calls.
It's going to happen. And I hate when it happens
because then we lose sight even leading up to the
(08:50):
Super Bowl. This is going to be a big storyline
next week. Oh the villains, people hate us, that's okay?
Or people saying, oh, they get all the calls? Are
they going to change the rules in the off season?
Adam Schefter joins us. Now, Schefty, are they going to
change the rules? Yes, help is on the way, Like
that's what it's going to be instead of these are
(09:11):
two great teams, really really well run. When you look
at the GMS, the talent both sides of the ball.
Yetto Chiefs are a one and a half point favorite.
I mean, this is what you want. You want a
super Bowl, You know I used to cover the Super
Bowls when it would be how badly is the AFC
going to lose? How badly are the Broncos going to lose?
(09:33):
Oh it's fifty five to ten. You want all right, sorry,
DoD You want competition, you want a great game, and
there's so many things at stake. What would a Super
Bowl do for Jalen Hurts, Nick Sirianni, Saquon Barklay. We'll
talk about that next hour. Add another super Bowl to
(09:54):
Andy Reid's resume or Patrick mahomes resume? Does Kelsey retire
after a Super Bowl win? Like, there's a lot of
great storylines here, and you know, there are times when
I can be a cynic, but you know, I still
love covering sports. I don't. I hate being the Oh God,
(10:15):
they get all the calls. That's not fair. They cheat
whatever it might be. They spend more money than any
But then you lose sight of what we grew up
wanting and we took for granted, there weren't controversies when
we were growing up. I don't know if anybody said
kind of I hate the Packers in the late sixties,
You're like, damn, they're good. Kansas City. Man, they got
(10:38):
a weird huddle with Lenny Dawson and Hankstraham. But I
like him Joe Namath, Like, that's what you grow up with.
I'm okay with a you know, a guy or a
team that you want to beat that they're the team
to beat. I'm okay. You know, I grew up a
UCLA fan, and everybody wanted to beat Ucla. But I
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like the fact that there was that one team you
wanted to beat. The Cowboys for a while, the Packers
for a while, the Steelers for a while, the Niners
for a while. Man, We're so lucky to have those
years where you saw greatness, true greatness.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Yeah, Pauline, I want to ask you a back of
the day question before we break. When Joe Namath was
going to win the Super Bowl or getting ready to
win the Super Bowl, was he beloved embraced by the
national sports fans or was he like, oh, this cocky
guy from this upstart league.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I think that since they were eighteen point underdogs, that
there was a like a snickering curiosity of damn, can't
believe he guaranteed they were going to beat the Colts.
And you know, he had long hair, so he looked
like he was, you know, the fifth Beatle. But when
you watched him play at white shoes and then if
he was not able to play, had this big fur
(11:54):
white fur coat on, and so there was a curiosity.
But I don't know if he was warmly embraced. I
think because I grew up as an AFC AFL fan,
I should say an AFL fan, So I loved that
they were wide open football. The NFL was boring. It
was like three yards here and here's a suite for
four yards and there's a seven yard touchdown. Like it
(12:16):
was boring. The AFL it was awesome. It was like
the ABA. It was fun. And then you know, the
same thing happened in the NBA. The NBA looked at
the ABA and go, man, they're doing some fun things.
The NFL did that with the AFL. Bring those teams in,
they're having fun, the Chargers, Kansas City Chiefs, the Jets.
So you know, this just goes along. You know, this
(12:39):
is history. Every few years it's that guy or that
team or both. And that's what's to me great about this.
It's why I still love coming to work every day.
You have these stories, they're fun, Embrace them.
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Speaker 2 (14:03):
We make way for Vincent Goodwill, one of our favorites
covering the NBA. Yahoo's Sports Senior NBA writer, host of
the Good Word podcast. Great to have you on again.
Not sure how you reacted to Commissioner Silver saying an
idea that he liked, not that he's pushing for it,
not that it's going to happen next season. Ten minute quarters,
(14:26):
forty minute games, your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Man, people come on your show, and all of a
sudden you ask crazy questions, you get crazy answers, and
all of a sudden you get aggregated because the commissioner
comes on your show and behaves like he's not the
commissioner but like he's a fan that's watching the game
and saying, Ah, these damn games are too long. I
can't stay awake all for two and a half hours.
(14:53):
How about this, here's a radical idea, Commissioner Silver and
Commissioner Dan Patrick, how about we eliminate these reviews. When
I'm at in an arena and these reviews take fifteen minutes.
I'm exaggerating slightly for something that we can all see.
I know we want to get calls, right, I know
we want to We have all these different angles and
(15:15):
you know, if it touched the fingertip of someone's finger
when it went off of the other guy's hand, like
that type of thing. There's ways you can expedite the
process of the game without messing with the structural integrity
and history of the game. And you know me, I
live in the crates. We don't have to we don't
have to shorten this. And how about we stop telling
(15:36):
people that something is wrong with the game. If you're
telling people something is wrong with the game, then people
will start believing that something is wrong with the game.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But his goal is international global domination. Where you play
this in the Olympics, and you play this in the
euro League. You know probably seven of your top ten
players are from Europe or outside the United States. So
maybe looking at uniform normity there, and look, I'm not
forid er against it, but I'm open to it, Dan,
(16:06):
that's the difference. I'm open to it.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Dan.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Why do those foreign players play in the NBA and
not in the euroleagues.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Because they make more money over here.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Okay, so if this is the standard, then you set
the standard here, you don't follow the standard. I believe
it was the wise philosopher JJ Reddick. We set that
last night, and I've never said those words in concert.
Philosopher JJ Reddick.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Hey, Steve, Steve Kerr said you gotta open your mind.
You got to be open minded to this.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Why is it always the NBA that has to make
these radical changes? Like baseball is nine innings? The NFL is.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Baseball did a pitch count a clock? Oh my god,
people went crazy. They made the vibit is larger. People
went crazy. The kickoffs in the NFL, people went crazy.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Is it still twenty seven outs?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah? Okay, is it still twenty seven? It is twenty
seven out?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I would I'm just curious it's still twenty seven outs.
And my thing is with the NBA as a whole,
there's always this appearance that something is wrong and it
has to be fixed. There's tweaks that you make, there's
ways to get ahead. They're behind on this three point stuff, right, Dan.
They are severely behind on all this three point stuff.
(17:25):
But when you talk about the history, the integrity of
the game. I know I'm an old young person, but
I don't have a problem with the game being forty
eight minutes. How about this, Dan, here's a novel concept.
If the game starts at seven thirty. How about the
game actually starts at seven thirty and not seven forty five?
Not a cut off some time for TV?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Wait, this is.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Not that hard?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Is that your Chris Rock impersonation?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
It little bit?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It kind of sounded like that. Why don't you started
at seven point thirty? Okay? Do you have a tweak
for the three point line?
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Two things that I would entertain, one a little more
serious than others. The corner three is such a shot
that everybody aims towards right because it's so much shorter
than the other three point line? Can we make the
line across the way? Can we widen the floor, which
we know we won't do because you got to sell
(18:18):
those expensive tickets. So if you're not going to widen
the floor, eliminate the corner three? Or Dan, the best
idea for me, how about we allow to hand check
on the perimeter. That way, you don't give up the
easy switches where you have bigs running out at guards.
That compromises the integrity of your defense, and you give
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defenses a chance. It's not so much that the three
point shot is taken in abundance, it's that it's the
easier shot to take because defenses don't get a chance
to run at you, when if they do run at you,
you wind up getting flagrant files or something like that.
Because you can test the jump shot, you're not giving
defenses a chance. So if you give someone a little arball,
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maybe they'll be more likely to explore the other real estate.
There's some good real estate in the middle of the floor.
No matter what the nerves tell you, a sixteen foot
shot is far easier than a twenty foot shot. But
if you notice two, then dudes are not taught to
shoot that. So when they get in the sixteen foot range,
they throw up these crappy floaters as opposed to shooting
an actual jump shot. If the game is broken, the
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game is broken in the way that is being taught,
not the way that's being played at this level.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Vincent Goodwill, yahoo's Sports senior NBA writer, host of The
Good Word Podcast. I've said for years we need to
widen the floor a little bit because the corner three.
You know what you talked about. How about we limit
the number, we cap the number of threes your team
can take at twenty five. Therefore, the people you want
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to take the three will, the better shooters will take
the threes, And now it becomes a little bit more
of an economical game of when do you take those
three and when do you not?
Speaker 4 (20:02):
My problem with that, Dan is if a player gets
on a heater, right, if Stephen Curry is on a heater,
they theoretically theoretically right. But I don't want to strut
like the NFL saying you can only throw forty passes
a game because you got to run the ball thirty times. Like,
there has to be good decision making in this, not
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saying you can only do this a certain amount of time.
You want to be stupid and take fifty three is
a game, Go ahead and be stupid. I'm not going
to prevent you from your stupidity. It's just the league.
What the league's problem is on this front, Dan, is
the league's job. They assume that structurally and from an
entertainment standpoint, that the executives and the coaches and the
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analytics people are looking out for the best interests of
the game and how it looks esthetically. That's the league's job.
Those other people, they're looking for ways to cheat the system.
Like Dan, when I was in college and I was,
you know, a broke college student, I was looking for
ways to sneak inside the cafeteria when nobody was watching.
That's not on that's on me to try to beat
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the system. It's on you to fix the system.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Okay, let's get to the those players. Give me the
biggest snub and if you give me a name, who
are you taking off the roster? Because that's the way
it works. Although most people just say somebody got snubbed,
who are you taking off? Vincent, I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I hate the people who say, oh, such as such
get snubbed and then we get an All Star team
with twenty eyes, right, I will say that if I
won't say if the Mantas, Sabonis and Sacramento got snubbed.
But to me, that's the guy that I'm looking and
I'm like, yeah, I can see why he has a
strong case. Leena Ligan rebounding. The Kings are above five hundred.
They've been a winning team as of late since the
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firing of Mike Brown. But I'm not taking off our
permission going I'm not putting Trey Young on the All
Star team, like I'm not putting Lamello Ball on the
All Star team. If this were I would say this, Dan,
if this were an actual All Star game with great
defense and you're going to need some creativity, somebody's going
to do something wild and crazy to shake it up.
Give me Lamello Ball, give me Trey Young. But as
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far as how they've played their effect on winning, what
the numbers say, beyond the row statistics, I think By
and Lars, the coaches got it right.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, I would take James Harden off.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I'm not going to necessarily argue with I think he's
had a good I think he's had a really good
year in LA fourteen that we didn't expect much from.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, Sacramento with Sabona, I mean, it's hard to argue
those numbers. I mean, he gets he gets overshadowed by
Djok when it comes to all points and rebounds and assists, Well,
nobody compares to him but James Harden.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I mean, I don't think this is a great James
Harden year. By James Harden standards. We're talking about arguably
maybe one of the top five or six shooting guards
in league's history. You know what I mean, Like when
you zoomd and you look at what he's done, the
effect on the game, not necessarily aesthetically in what he's
accomplished from a team standpoint, but when he's done, you're
gonna look at, say, man, James Harden was really good.
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It's just I think this Clippers team has been much
better than people expected. There was a case for Norm
Powell on that very team, who's leading the team in scoring.
So I'm not gonna argue with you on that one. Dan.
I know we come and spar a little bit. I
don't really have an argument if you say James Harden
off and the Matta Sabonis on that might be the
only one. But I'm not going to the wall for it.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Okay, give me, give me somebody who's moved at the
trade deadline that we care about.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Man, Look, we all know that Jimmy Butler and this
Miami heat thing is going to you know look that Look,
all that's left for pat Ryer to do is to
kiss Jimmy and say you broke my heart. And put
them on a plane to Havana or something like that.
Like that's all that's left, right, right, I think that's
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all that's left essentially for Bubet. He has to be
Dan this. If there's a question to ask Adam Silver,
it is are you comfortable with these standoffs between players
and teams, legacy players and legacy franchises that gum up
the attention of the season. So yeah, Jimmy Butler should
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be gone. And pat Riley in the Miami Heat I
wrote about it. I know people don't like hearing about
it and saying about it. They are just as culpable
as Jimmy Butler's activities for the situation. They should have
moved him the second they told him, we're not going
to give you an extension. That's the way it goes
in the NBA. If your star player does not feel appreciated,
he wants an extension, you're not going to give it
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to him, no matter how much you're paying him. You
trade him to prevent something like this, because if nothing else,
we know Jimmy Butler's movies, he's going You know that.
You know that, Jeff. You're probably online. Dan, there's like
someone on a swing and there's a building burning behind him.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm running out of time. Vincent, Vincent Goodwill. Yeah, Who's Sports.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (25:14):
Jim Gaffigan currently on his Everything Is Wonderful Tour. You
can check out the new special The Skinny, now streaming
on Hulu as we make way for that former college
football great Jim Gaffigan back on the program. All the memories,
the older you get, the better you were in college, Jim.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
You know, it's it's one of those things where I
I you know, I literally didn't barely played. So but
it is a nice little fact that is like an
asterisk next to my name and there's a picture of
me when I walked on at Purdue. But I was
literally there for two weeks. And now people are like, yeah,
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the Big ten football player.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I remember that game he played against Ohio State. He
was incredible. Jimmy Gaffigan was all over the field.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah, it's just sad that I didn't play in the NFL,
you know, even though I didn't really even play a
divisionwide A.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Lot of hair back then too.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I had some hair back there that was really good
old days of hair, and you know, energy stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, when people see you out, Let's say you're walking
into New York and you know Sally and Tommy from
Tulsa come up and go Jim Gaffigan, how much pressure
do you have to be funny in the moment? Like
did you have a go to joke or line that
you say?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
You know, sometimes people will say you look like Jim Gaffigan,
and I'll go, I hope I do that. Guy's good
luck here, you know. But otherwise, you know, usually I
find that I get a lot of if it's a
really beautiful woman that comes up to me and has
like a certain excitement, they use really always say my
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grandfather is a big fan. There's it's you know, there's
going to be something to take the air out of me.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, is there part of you? Some comedians like to
go up there and kind of in the moment make
up something or degree of difficulty where they don't want
to go as scripted. Are you one of those method comedians?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
You know? At different times. I mean that's where I
think a really good audience when it's really flowing. That's
when kind of magic hits. You know. I don't want
to sound like Bono. You know, it's not like the
Holy Spirit is coming down and giving me words, but
there is something of when you're in front of an
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audience that understands your sensibility and you can kind of
play and uh, it's like joking around with friends. It's yeah,
it really can be great.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Give me the joke you wish you had written.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Oh, I mean, I love you know. Larry Miller had
the Five Stages of Drinking, which I think is really brilliant.
I don't know if you're familiar with that, but he
also has Larry Miller has a very matter of fact delivery.
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He's kind of one of the best from that eighties era.
I love George Carlin's Chunk on Suicide, which is just
so dark and so perfectly George carl And he goes
right now somewhere someone's getting ready to kill themselves, you
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know what I mean, And just he goes through someone
trying to plan their own suicide and just you know,
I can't do it. That day, I got a meeting
with Mavis and stuff like this, Mom's coming over. Maybe
I should do it when Mom's coming over. So it's
just really dark and cynical, and he does it with
such glee. It's so amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Do you can you give us the five stages of drinking?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Well, the five stages Larry Miller's five stages, which people
should google. It's because I'm gonna not do it. Justice
is the It's it's a it's it's familiar. It's like
you go, you know, You're like, you're gonna go out
with friends during the week. You're gonna have a drink,
and then you'll be home by blank, you know, by eight,
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you'll be in bed by ten, and then before you
know it, then it's the second stage. You know, it's
it's midnight and you're like, all right, that's fine. If
I go home right now, I can get five hours
of sleep. And then the next stage is like you're
drinking some blue liquid that you all you know is
(29:55):
they clean combs with it in the barbershop, and besides,
you don't even need to sleep. You're gonna tough it through.
Then the next stage is you're driving to Florida. And
then the next stage is you've met a woman who
has a tattoo that says something ridiculous and she's the
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most beautiful woman you've ever met. And then then he
talks about like the last age is when you're you
leave the bar and the sun's out and it's just,
you know, you feel like you're walking on the surface
of the sun. It's it's simply brilliant and neat and
tidy and encompasses everyone who's had that regret.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
You know, did you get into bad situations habits when
you're on the road before you got married?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Oh? Yeah, I mean, you know, the for me, I
actually never really I went through a period where for
about ten years I didn't I didn't drink or do
anything because I you know, when I had a day
job and I was taking acting classes and I was
doing stand up at night. I would get sick once
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a month. So I was like, I'm just going to
get rid of drinking. And so I you know, really
I almost kind of started drinking when I got married.
But I go through different phases. You know, now I'm
now I'm I'm a bourbon drinker, and you know that
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would you know ten years ago that would never be
the case.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So have you gone on stage having been drinking? No?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
No, I can't really. I'm such a low energy guy
that I can't really even eat that much before I
go on stage because I'm so slow talking.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
He's Jim Gaffigan, the comedian, actor, writer, producer, author. Damn,
that's a lot of things there, are you truly all
of those?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I mean, you know it's you know, you write a book.
You know, it's like, am I an author? Or did I,
you know, complain about my kids for.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
One hundred He is currently on his Everything Is Wonderful tour,
and you can also check out his new special The Skinny,
now streaming on Hulu. How often do your kids your
wife saying, hey, don't make this part of your act
because things happen naturally at home where you go.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
That's funny, Yeah, it's there's no I mean, first of all,
I never ask, hopefully my kids would care more about
if I posted a photo that they appeared in than
me referencing. And I also have five kids, so when
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I reference a son, it can be one of the
three sons, and or if I reference a kid, it
can be one of five. So there is plausible deniability
for each of them. But you know, when it comes
to the wife, that's that's a different thing. And you
know there is you know, you know the days of
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Henny Youngman, like take my Wife. You know that you
have to craft it in a way because you know
an audience is savvy and and you know, a guy
complaining about his wife is considered hack and and people
are suspicious of it. So but you can craft it
in a way where you just kind of pile on
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yourself a little bit and then you can throw up,
you know, something at your wife here and there.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
First comedian you saw and you said, that's what I
want to do.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
I think I remember seeing Jonathan Winters on I think
MERV Griffin or something like that. But uh, yeah, there
was something really funny about him. You know, it was
all self contained and it wasn't the jokes were kind
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of hidden that I thought was really interesting, But I
don't know. Sometimes it's it's a blur, you know. And
also being from Indiana seeing Letterman on TV, it just
he was hit. Him and John Mellencamp were the only
people that like were from Indiana that it seemed to
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do anything. Obviously it's not true, but like to the
Teenage Meet, it was like, wow, those are the two
guys that got out.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
What was it like the first time you were on Letterman?
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Oh, it's you know, it was you know, the business
has changed so much, but it was the threshold of
status among uh, particularly New York comedians. But I would
say comedians at that time. It was, you know, the
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credit that everyone wanted because if you you know, the
first ten years I was doing stand up. Obviously it's
different today, but if you said you were a stand up,
they would say have you been on Letterman or the
Tonight Show? And if you said no, they'd kind of
look at you like, oh, uh, you're crazy, you know
what I mean? Or you're just saying that you're a comedian.
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So it gave you legitimacy.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, and then to hear Dave laugh if you're a
stand up comedian, or if Johnny Carson brought the comedian
over and you got to sit down next to Johnny,
then you had made it like now, yeah, he had
separated you absolutely.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
And I feel like I was the last one of
my comedy peer group that really got a late night show,
and it was Letterman, and I was invited over to
sit on the couch afterwards, and I got a development deal.
Dave and Worldwide pants, and Robert Att gave me a
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development deal, and that really shifted a lot of things
because if Letterman thought you were funny, then people in
the entertainment industry were much more open to viewing you
as talented, because it's the entertainment industry is so risk averse,
Like we have this notion that people are discovered in
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soda shops, but like really that, you know, people try
and eliminate any risk.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Obviously, we'll have fun on the road. Jim Gaffigan a
man of many hats. Well he's got one hat on,
but he's a comedian, actor, writer, producer, author, and a
football legend. The new special The Skinny, now streaming on Hula.
Thanks Jim, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
That's Jim Gaffiga.
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