February 12, 2025 • 55 mins
The guys formulate a wishlist for each AFC team!
00:00 - Intro
02:23 - Kellen Moore Signing
08:35 - AFC Wishlists
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is Thursday, February thirteenth, twenty twenty five. This is
another edition of Football Today, presented to you by Captain Morgan,
the official Spice Drum of the NFL. My dudes, we're
all back together. Bobby Skinner, Justin Pennock, Chris Rose, producer
Connor putting it all together. Bobby, I gotta be honest
with you. Saw Justin Pennock down there at the Super Bowl.
(00:22):
I know I wasn't on Monday Show obviously with the
travel back and everything else. But Pennick had a chance
to meet missus Rose. So now we're going to have
to have you meet Missus Rose at some point too.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, did you get the wedding invite? Sorry? That was mean. No.
I tried to score with you for a second.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
No, dude, I thought maybe I was going to Spain.
Isn't that where we're getting married? Oh wait, it's Florida.
It's the same place.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah maybe maybe you know, maybe one day we'll all
move there. Okay, but yeah I got to meet missus Rose. Well,
I was meeting mister Pennock, even though you've met him
a bunch of times.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, Well, for her, it was probably the most memorable
part of going to New Orleans in Super Bowl fifty nine. Like,
if she were to rank it, it certainly wouldn't be
the game. It might be like he might be somewhere
in between the post Malone concert and having dinner at
our niece's house. So pettic. At least you made the list, buddy, what.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
You think of the halftime show?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I thought it. I think she thought it was fine.
I'm not. Why do you try to be a shitster?
What are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Because I watched Instagram reels and then I'm as on
Twitter and it's very funny because Twitter is like that
you don't understand it, and then Instagram is making fun
of the you don't understand the people. I kind of
side with Instagram, like it's not for me. Okay, I
don't like it.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's fine. Not everybody has to like everything, you know.
I don't think people love the Rolling Stones when they
played there, like a decade and a half ago or whatever.
It's fine except Chris Rose.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Everybody has to like Chris Rose.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
That's not true. That's not true. You should check social
media on that one. All right, we're gonna have a
fun show coming up. We're gonna touch on the AFC.
We're gonna break it down in terms of what has
to happen for every team, what should they want in
the offseason. It could be an individual move, it could
be something that has to happen with their coaching from
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something that has to happen for this team in order
for like twenty twenty five to be a success or
at least get point in the right direction. We're gonna
do that in just a second, But first let's start
with this. Kellen Moore has a new job. He was
Philly's oc during the Super Bowl run. He is now
new Orleans head coach Bobby Is this a going to
be a smashing success or he just kind of meh
(02:35):
on the move?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I think Kellen Moore is as mad as a coach
as there is. Obviously he's offense coordinator for the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Is that just because of the way he looks? Is
that what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
No? I mean it's it's I've watched the Cowboys offenses.
Obviously the Chargers got fired mostly because you know, got
fired because he was what they're with Brandon Staley. But
you know, I don't think anybody was super impressed with
what he did that year with Justin Herbert. I think, like,
tell me, like what part of his offensive game planning
really just blows you away. I Mean they hand they
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run the ball really well, which with Saquon Barkley in
that offensive line, and they they get one on ones
for aj Brown. Like I was much more impressed with
the way Shane Stiken had that Eagles offense than Kellen Moore.
I think he is middle of the road, But at
the same time, I think it's a solid enough higher
for the Saints, who are an undesirable location to go
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to with all of the dead cap and how they're
going to fix that. A GM who's been there for
twenty plus years, a quarterback who you really can't get
rid of in Derek Carr. But it's not that good
defense to that is you know, lacking players up front,
Like it's not it's not a fun situation in New Orleans.
Like their best player on offense is extremely injury prone.
And Chris Chris o'love.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
You know, I will say if I am a Saints
fan and I'm watching that Super Bowl, I am I
am a little bit jazzed up, being like, oh, well,
this is a guy that just kind of outdueled Steve Spagnolo. Now,
obviously you have the impact of Saquon Barkley, and you
know you have all those linebackers and safeties with their
eyes in the backfield, like on that DeVante Smith long
touchdown in the second half. You know that's play action
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and all the eyes are in the backfield. And then
Stevante Smith won on one. So you know, you look
at it, but like, oh, it's simple stuff. But I
very much could have seen a world where Kellen Moore
runs the same old predictable stuff and Steve Spagnolo had
him figure it out and then the Chiefs kind of
take over that game and win. And that absolutely did
not happen. So if I'm a Saints game, I'm seeing
Kellen Moore call that game against Steve spag Nolan, one
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of the best defense coordinators all time, one of the best,
the most successful defensive coordinators all time, And I'm like,
all right, you just did it in my home stadium.
Welcome Kellen Moore, and we'll see what we got. The
Saints have more of a conversation to like, what are
we going to be as a franchise. I think that's
honestly like the biggest question that they need to answer
this offseason, more than Kellen Moore, more than what do
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they do at quarterback? It's like, all right, well, we're
at a fork in the road because we've done all
this stuff with the salary and all this stuff with
pushing guys back, like Alfa Kamara has like a thirty
million dollar cap hit. Are we gonna eat it? And
are we gonna kind of live in this bad world
for a second or are we going to continue to
operate business as usual and backload contracts, backload contracts and
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try and kind of like this win now thing. That's
more of the more pressing question for the Saints.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
If you're to rank the thirty two teams in terms
of one being most interesting in thirty two being leased,
they're pretty damn close to thirty two because there's even
some bad teams, Like you could take my team for instance,
that is interesting. You've got their best player ever defensively
requesting a trade. They're trying to figure out how to
do the quarterback. If you look at the new Owns Saints,
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you're like, ye, like, I think that's my perfect reaction,
and I think Ellen Moore kind of fits into that
category and only shaking his hand once. He seems like
a really, really nice person. The biggest question I think
we all have is something that we don't know about,
which is what is he going to be like when
he has to stand in front of a room full
of dudes and lead them right? You could see a
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little bit with Ben Johnson he was more than just
this cute play caller, like when he got in front
of the microphone in Chicago. There's a lot of swagger
with him right now. When Kevin O'Connell went up to Minnesota,
he looks like a fricking head. I don't know if
you guys have ever stood near him, seen him on
the sideline. That is a giant man. Kellen Moore looks
like he could hide in a cubicle during tech season
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and you know crush accounting, Like that's a little bit
what it looks like. So I think the questions we've
got most about him are the ones that we won't
see or have answers to until either he's successful or
not successful. I think that's kind of the point here.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
And he's left handed. I think the I'm a lefty too,
but I love watching at Boys State I saw that
Shador Sanders broke the college completion percentage record and people
were bragging about that, and it's like, yes, second place
is Colt Brandon Rustlin Prieze, third place Kellen Moore. So
he's to be a great fifth round pick. Anyways, I
think the hires man or a lot right. It seems
like Brandon Staley may be the favorite to get the
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defensive coordinator job. I don't know if I love that,
especially with their personality. They don't really have the guys
up front to run a Brandon Staley defense the way
it probably should be operated. I think of the staff matters.
And again, the more interesting the thing with the New
Orleans is what are they going to do with team building?
Because to continue to do it the same way they've
done it is just it's yeah, you're what are you
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trying to accomplish it?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Except that Mickey Loomis is still the guy making the calls.
He's been doing it for almost twenty five years, So
I mean, what do we mean? What what's he going
to do? Why would they vary from what they have done?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Well?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Why would they is because they should? But I agree
with you, I don't. I don't I don't believe that
they will, like you said, because it's the same guy
like that's been doing it for all those years. So
what what type of signal of change?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
You know?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I think they extended Alvin Camorrow when it felt like
that was going to end this offseason. So like what again?
Like like you just said, Rose, why would they Yep?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Okay, So now we're going to get down to the
wish list for each NFL team, basically the biggest priority
this offseason, something that can get you pointed in the
right direction if it actually happens, and we're going to
just focus on the AFC team. So we're going to
go in reverse draft order, Pennick, you and I are
going to do five teams apiece. But because Bobby is
(08:22):
the biggest football head we know, Bobby, are you okay
to do six teams? Are you all right with that?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I am no Hay Arnold, but I am a football head.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay. I guess I'll bat leadoff since you all gave
me the Titans, right, I guess I'll go first. All right?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I have that in the halftime show.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Stop trying to convince yourself that Will Levis is the
dude I think we're just about all the way there, right,
Mike Borgonzi is the guy that's that's coming in and
taking over for ran carthin as the GM. Now, he
did say early on, we will not pass on a
generational talent at one. From everything we're being told, that
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does not mean that we're going to take cam warders Sanders, right.
Nobody thinks that those are generational talents. There are people
that think that they can be starting quarterbacks, high end,
maybe decent quarterbacks, and perhaps playoff winning quarterbacks if everything
falls the right way. But they have to go this direction.
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They have to find their next dude in the building
because even when they have made the playoffs over the
last ten twelve years, it's been Ryan Tannehill and Marcus Mariota,
and those guys haven't been good enough. So you know what,
I would say, take your chance on cam Ward. I
would say, go do it. Don't give me the whole
generational talent thing. Let's not say that because that's not
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what he is. But at the same time, in my opinion,
the second best quarterback in franchise history, and this is
dating back to their days in Houston, Warren Moon was
the best, and then Steve Air McNair when he was
drafted third overall the year that he came out in
ninety five. I believe he came from Division two alcorn State,
and those were the big questions. Can he step up
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big time and play against NFL talent well with cam
Ward who played at three different schools including Incarnate Ward.
Can he get it done? I say, screw it, go
for it. Just convince yourself that he's the right guy.
Just make the pick, please, That's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, I think we'll get the answer on the Titans
in free agency because if they're not drafting a quarterback
or they plan on trading down, then you they're gonna
have to spend a decent amount of money on whatever
quarterback and free agency if that's Sam Darnold or whoever,
like you said that Will Levis cannot be the plan
like he can be the backup at best here. So yeah,
(10:44):
it'll be interesting to see what they do. Again. That
generational line I thought was taken a little too far.
It's been me an hour trying to find it. By
the way, it was on some random radio show, So yeah,
I agree, they got to kind of figure out what
they're doing at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
All right, Pennick, you're up next to my Cleveland Browns
who are drafting second.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
All right, So this is kind of like a two
pronged approach that I have for the Browns, because I
think I would be okay with either of these. Either
embrace kind of like a full tank and a full
rebuild by trading away Miles Garrett and the number two
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pick and and.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Oh god, or.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Convince Miles Garrett to stay and take up to a
Carter with the second overall pick, and holy smokes, I
don't know what that offense looks like. But is that
a defense? I mean, the defense is still fun for
the Cleveland Browns, but is that a defense that is
getting getting some eyeballs looked at it? Because it is?
Because that would be an awesome defense.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I would like to go b please on that. I'm sorry,
I cannot. I cannot. We've been through too many unintentional
tanks in Cleveland. I cannot do that. I appreciate it,
but please don't make that happen, please, because there's no
guarantee that whatever quarterback comes next, if it's Arch Manning
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or somebody else a will even be there. If you
luck into a couple extra wins. You could be sitting
sixth and set a first and there's no guarantee that
he's gonna be great. We just don't know that stuff.
Everybody thought Trevor Lawrence was going to be incredible. Guess
what his team's drafting fifth this year.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
So yeah, I agree that the idea of if of like,
oh well, we can wait next year to get a quarterback.
My thing is just if you think a quarterbacks where
they have it, take it. If you don't, like, don't
think about like, never pass up on someone that you
think is franchise worthy because remember what was the last
team that was told to do that, The Texans and
they ended up getting CJ. Strouds. So I think that
ended up working out with them. But I mean, you're
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a Browns fan, what is your course of action? What's
your wish? I know you don't have this team, but like,
what would you be your wishless?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Well, they have to figure out what's going on with Miles.
They have to, and it's easy to say, well, he
doesn't want to be here. It's the beginning of February game.
We don't play a football game for seven months, so
there is a lot of time to figure this out,
to get him an extension, to try and say, hey, listen, dude,
everybody thinks that this has been consistently three and fourteen.
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It hasn't been all right since Stefanski and Barry took over.
And Andrew Barry does have his shortcomings when it comes
to the draft. His record is not good, but it
hasn't been consistent three and fourteen. This was this was
the outlier during the Stefanski Bary era. It really has
been right. They've been to the playoffs twice. They had
an eight and nine season, they had a seven and
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ten season. Three and fourteen was horrible. But let's not
act like this is what it's been year after year
after year for the last five because that's not it's
just not accurate.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I have a secondary of spin speaking of Stefanski, and
I have a secondary goal for the Browns and specifically
for him him now, Bobby and Rose. I remember there
was one point where we were talking about Kevin Stefanski
and his rushing schemes and his run schemes, as like
this is one of the most elaborate, awesome stuff in
the NFL. And with the you know, acquiring Deshaun Watson.
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We've gone away from that. We've gone away from heavy personnel,
We've gone away from running the ball, running an offense
through Nick Chubb. Now, I don't know what this stage
in Nick Chubb's I don't know if you can do that,
but I think, you know, if you invest properly at
running back and offensive line, I think you can kind
of get back to that. I want Kevin Stefanski to
get back to what made him initially successful with the
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Cleveland Browns and why the Cleveland Browns initially were a
spot that wanted to make such an aggressive trade for
a quarterback like Deshaun Watson. You figured, oh, they can
make that trade because of the infrastructure that they have,
and then the offense just needed that quarterback to kind
of take him over the top. That's my challenge for
Stefanski this year. Scrap this eleven personnel stuff. Let's get
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some more tight ends on the field. It's got some
more offensive linemen on the field. Let's start running the
damn ball again, because that's where the NFL is too.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well. They did that to appease to Shawn. In my opinion,
I don't know that for a fact where they brought
in a new OC and Kevin Stefanski, he goes down.
He's going down calling the plays he wants and I
think you'll see a difference in that. Yeah, let's move on.
The New England Patriots have the fourth pick in the draft.
Bobby Skinner, what's the wish list?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
This is the team that I think most reasonably can
accomplish the things on their wish list because they have
Drake May build the offensive line, whether that's not just
signs in free agency or the draft. They just sign
in free agency. Attack it with the fourth pick. If
you don't like the value at the fourth pick, and
you know, you know you don't want to pass up
on Carter or Hunter, trade back because you need to
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protect that asset and let that asset and Drake May thrive.
And here's why I'm not talking about wide receiver when
it comes to being the number one, because I think
wide receiver they should be able to take care of.
If there is one team that you say, go spend
twenty eight million dollars on t Higgins, it is the
New England Patriots. His skill set fits with Drake May's
twenty six years old. They have the most cap space
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in the NFL one hundred, one hundred and twenty million.
Use it. And then when you draft, when you signed
to Higgins, go try and get your wide receiver too,
and free agency as well. You know a Darius Slayton
from the New York Giants, make him your wide receiver too.
Spend the more money there. Let Pop Douglas be your slot,
and then just set yourself up for the draft to
go heavy, heavy, heavy in the trenches like I would
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spend free agency, you know, hitting some of the glamour
spots and then allowing ourselves in the draft to go heavy, heavy,
heavy in the trenches.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah. You know, it's the old adage. If you don't
have the right quarterback coach combination, you're screwed. I do
think that they've got both guys that can lead them
to a promise. Land I really feel that much goodwill
toward Drake may I called two of their games this
past season. I'm honest when I say I think that
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was the worst offensive line and wide receiver rooms I've
ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And you knew it going into the year. At least
with the offensive line, the receiver room that had some
young guys, And I you know, I like Pop Douglas
as like a flexible player. It was bad, but yeah,
it was. It was a mess. He was able to
survive that build build around Drake May as as the
as the goal of this offseason.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, and I you know, I do I think that
they can close the gap significantly on Buffalo in that division.
I mean, I do think that they can go. They
might be able to get seven or eight wins next
year depending if they if they hit this right now,
the question is do you believe in Elliott Wolf being
able to do this. I don't.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
But here's the thing, Rose is if they do do
like my wishless plan for them, I'm picking them to
make a wild card run. I really, I really am.
Because there is that defense I think can be coached
up better than what it was last year. It has talent.
You have Drake May and then you add that offensive
talent around and Vrabel's a good coach, McDaniel's commune, a
great coordinator with the right quarterback. I am picking them
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to be a wildcard team. If they accomplished my wish list.
At the offensive line, they just add two pieces and
you know wide receiver, they kind of get better but
not great. Then I'm not picking them. But do my
wish list. Patriots, you got the money to do it.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Okay, we're gonna move back to me. And I've got
the Jacksonville Jaguars who have the fifth pick in the draft.
They just like the Patriots. They went four and thirteen.
I've got a new coach, right, so do all due?
Did I do that right?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
That was good?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That's horrible. I'm not gonna sit here and say, well,
I'm wishing for good health for the quarterback. I got
that all right. This team actually has some talent. It
was embarrassing that they got only four wins a season ago.
It was, to me, actually borderline disgraceful. The one thing
they've got to just fix entirely is the secondary. They
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got to figure this out. They were far away the
worst passing defense in the NFL. They only got six interceptions.
So the wish for them, in my opinion, is that
somehow Travis Hunter falls to them at five. I don't
see a way that that can happen right now, but
that's what they need because they could sprinkle him in
on offense, they put them in on defense. Whatever it is. However,
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you want to figure that out. If that doesn't happen,
because I don't think it will. Some team has to
love Shador Sanders enough to jump over the Raiders who
are at six in the draft. They have to hope
and pray that that happens. That they can then move
back and maybe draft like Will Johnson out of Michigan
because their secondary has got to get better. But I
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like most of the talent on this team. I look
at the other teams in the top five and they
are beref the talent. In most cases. That is not
the case with Jacksonville. But god damn fix the secondary.
Holy smokes, was at horrible, horrible, horrific. So there you go,
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that's what they need. I love it.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, two years ago they really like I think they
just banked on Oh wow, look at our defense. Look
at how good that Look at how good that it is.
You know, they had a really good record through through
the month of November and the December they fell apart
two years ago, so I think they kind of just
banked on head again to next year. They lost key
secondary pieces and then just banked on all, Well, the
defense is going to be good again, and it absolutely
was not. Oh and just also hoping that Trevor Lawrence
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would stay healthy, which he did not, but the season
fell apart for them even before that anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
And by the way, is treymon Walker going to be
the most non descript, semi productive number one overall pick
ever because he's had back to back double digit SAX
seasons and you haven't even noticed it, right.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
That's because he's in douve all. He's a solid player.
He's a solid player. It is very weird where it's like, yeah,
he's not all these traits, he's not gonna get production,
and he's got decent production, but it's still like not, well,
you know, even the best, the people who liked them
at the number one O, we're all picking vision for him.
So so yeah, but that JA. I think that Jags,
like you said, they get that secondary right, They've got
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pieces on that front stete where they could have a
little fun defensively, and then you obviously have Lawrence and
Thomas and all that jazz.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
So uh, you got the Raiders panic I do.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
This is going to probably be my most vague, my
vague wishless item for the Raiders because.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I just feel like they need everything.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
They need everything now the Raiders, they've been one of
the phases of instability over the last two decades. Trivia
the last time they had a head coach last for
four straight seasons without being fired. Do you guys know.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Byern or traded? Because what ear was Gruden traded Rose?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
That is a very very good follow up question because
it is John Gruden during his first tenure with the Raiders.
And yes, so I least head coach to last four
straight seasons, whether it is via Trader being what via being.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Still that's a long time man. That's twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Ninety eight to two thousand and one. I think that
was the tenure. Wow, so that's a last time that
a coach lasted four straight years for them. My biggest
wish to sign him for them, for the for the
Oakland National Las Vegas Raiders is to set a foundation
for stability. Very vague John spy Tech's coming out from
the Bucks. They take pride in drafting, developing, and retaining.
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I think those the third part's most important. Spy Tech
also has a reputation for really involving the coaches and
personnel decisions, letting them have their input. Cool to see
that Patrick Graham is still sticking around.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You know, Patrick Graham was about to stick around with
the Giants after Joe Judge was fired, stuck around with
the Raiders, so I love to see that. I think
Graham's just a glue guy. Hopefully he gets a head
coaching job one day, and then obviously if Chip Kelly
is off, its coordinator. So spy Tech really big on
kind of letting the coaches really have a say on
personnel and drafting decisions, and obviously the biggest question for
the Raiders is QB and spy Tech had this to
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say about Pete Carroll and the Seahawks finding Russell Wilson.
I always admired the way that they started in Seattle
at the quarterback position, in particular, they just kept taking
shots and shots and shots. By Tick said, they traded
and drafted guys high. They found their way to Russell Wilson.
What an unbelievable move that was. He was a little
bit different. He was under six feet at the time
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when most quarterbacks were over six feet, so they were
willing to think outside the box a little bit. Spy
Tech is also coming from the organization that signed Tom Brady.
Obviously that was a no brainer decision, but you know,
not the conventional drafter quarterback develop and retain him. So
I think the Raiders, even if they make some outside
the box moves, whether it is being aggressive and going
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after a quarterback like a Sam Darnold, whether that is
if the Giants wind up passing on like a shirdor
Sanders drafting Sarder Sanders, but you're a draft pick. So
and even if they don't even find an answer at quarterback,
making certain moves on the roster to just find some
sort of stability. Whether you want to be aggressive or
not be aggressive, I don't know. But the Raiders they've
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been the face of instability over the last twenty years.
Whatever decisions they need to make, they need to make
them together and on the page between front office and
coaching staff, it was.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Very vague get better.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, But I but fellas like I can't sit here
and say like I want the Raiders to be aggressive
and get this person. I want the Raiders to be
conservative because the Washington Commanders kind of taught me something
this this past offseason where they were semi aggressive, like
in free agency when I said, oh, I don't think
you should, Like, what why are you going out and
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signing all these veterans? And then you see like all
these guys are glue guys to go on a little
bit of a playoff run. So the Raiders kind of
need so much. I just feel like whatever they decide
to do as an organization this year, it needs to
make sure that they do it together. Yeah, and now
like this, this guy's voice is stronger than.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
The other one.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, what Washington's game plan was doesn't mean shit if
Sam Howe is still the quarterback. Let's be honest here,
And I think last year when we did the quarterback rankings,
we talked about how the Raiders had the worst quarterback
game play and moving forward because they didn't have a
game plan. Right, it was Gardner, Minshew and O'Connell. Right,
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that's not like that's not a game plan that's not
thinking about the future. It wasn't even thinking about twenty
twenty four. So it starts with this and Spytech who,
by the way, it just sounds like a startup every
time we mention his name, So I don't know if
we're going to know by his first name or what
it is.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Silicon Valley.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Right, yeah, so I don't know they're they're a mess,
but good job by you, even if it is vague.
I liked it all right, Bobby Jets, fix the Jets
wish list.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
It's so simple that it's tough. Mature of the team
and build a culture. Right, you're bringing in Aaron Glenn,
former Jet from the Dan Campbell Tree, get go, get
buy in from your stars and Saft Gardner, Garret Wilson
and Quinn and Williams. Right Like, that's because you look
at this team and outside of quarterback and offensive line,
what are the positions that were like, oh man, they're
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just so weak here. And even offensive line, you have
Olu and Tipman who are young pieces. Av played fifteen
games this year, but I don't know if you can
bet on that every year going forward. And then the
obviously one is find another QB to go with Tyrod Taylor,
because I'm fine with Tyrod Taylor as a bridge starter
for a year, but he's too injury prone. You can't
rely on him. And but you have to find this
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quarterback without drafting one on Day two or Day three,
because you don't want to draft a bad quarterback, which
is basically what every day two and day three quarterback
is for your fan base and your dumbass owner. Whatdy
Johnson to be asking for you to start? Okay, you
already was sho you to pick on Jordan Travis. Don't
do it on another player.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I think he will change the culture. Once again, I
don't know what's going to happen a quarterback tyrod and
you nailed it. You can't rely on him.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
It's just well, think about this team. This was the
team that was seven and ten two years in a row,
and then it fell out last year. They're getting rid
of Aaron Rodgers. You get buy in and get that defense,
which is very talent, and you get another quarterback to
go next to Tyrold, maybe even Tyrol's just a backup,
and you get someone else as a starter who's just
like an NFL player, who you can rely on to
start games. That's another team that can you know, reel
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off some wins. Not gonna be much of a threat
without that quarterback answer, but can at least, like I said,
reel off some wins.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, it's just today. Look we look at the division
you just mentioned earlier that if the Patriots go with
your wish list. You think that there'll be a wildcard team.
I think that if it's Tyrod and nobody else at quarterback,
this isn't a wild card team.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
No, I don't think it is either.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
So they'll just continue the longest playoff drout we got
going in the NFL. Yes, oh man, that's tough.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
By the way, Lions kept that drought going, you know
when they first got Campbell and friends.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, no, I get it, I get it. But at
least the Lions had been to the playoffs with Stafford
right in recent years when they got him.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
So it's been a while, been over like five years.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
But yeah, all right, I'm gonna do the Miami Dolphins,
and I will say this, change the attitude that everybody
thinks you're soft, like you have to be in a
controlled environment in order to win football games. They run
the ball great, but we don't think they're physical. Their
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defense has some players, we just don't think they're that tough.
So start with that mentality. And I don't know if
that's a coach thing an organizational thing, but when you
think Miami Dolphins, like when you think Steelers or you
think Ravens, you think tough like they you're like, goddamn,
we're going into Baltimore, We're going into Pittsburgh. We gotta
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go play. It ain't gonna be easy. When you're like,
you're going to Miami. Sweet might lose, but man, okay,
it almost feels like you're playing flag football. So I
would say this the two is stuff I get. I
want them to try the backup quarterback position like it's
a legit roster spot and not an afterthought for them.
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I also don't want Chris Greer drafting offensive lineman in
the first two rounds. They need to, but he can't
be the guy picking it. He just can't be Austin
Jackson when he's out there is okay. He traded up
for Liam Eikenberg, right, exactly like the best guy he's
drafted was Robert Hunt and they let him walk. So
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don't let him do that. If anything, I go find
an edge opposite Chop Robinson because Jalen Phillips is coming
off his second straight major injury. Right, he had the achilles.
Now he's got an acl I don't know if he'll
you can ever rely on him. I would go get
an edge at thirteen. You could probably get a really
really good. One. Chop was great. The second half of
the season, I'd start to establish an attitude like we
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want to be bad mfors instead of just yeah, we're
cute Miami.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Is Tyreek Hill going to be on the team next
next year?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I think so?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
You don't.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I mean, it doesn't it seem like there's a like,
wouldn't they be smart? Like this is going to become
a toctic thing here this year?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yes, but what so what are you gonna do? You're
gonna trade him for like a third second tops?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I never see your trade market has gone low. But
I feel like Tyreek Is would be the best receiver
traded since.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Tyreek Kill.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, than Devonte Adams.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, Amari Cooper. Those by the way, these those trades
did not work out this year for wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
No, none of them did.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
None of them did.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Now, Cooper was the random falloff where he's never missed
games or anything, and then this year it just was
not good.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
No, But I mean the guys that were traded before that,
when you include like Adams from Green Bay to the Raiders,
put up nice stats, no wins. Aj Brown obviously worked
out great for Philadelphia Digs.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
He was a good one before you know, his first
trader around. But it's just I'm talking about but when
he got traded to the Bills.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah, I don't know these days. I just I think
that's a dicey one. Man.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I think Perry Hills contract was a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Well, on top of that.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Twenty seven million this year and then he's got twenty
twenty six, he's got fifty one. I mean they would
have to you know, a team would have to work
with it either extended. I don't even know, man. But
then he's got void years, so that that's not a
this is a we've pushed money back contract.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So all right, up next, Pennic. If your wish list
for uh, the Indianapolis Colts is anything other than Anthony Richardson,
better be learning how to throw strikes in his backyard
with a bullseye target. Then you're off base.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Well it's related to Anthony Richison, but it's add another
game changing weapon for Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
That he can overthrow by six miles.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Oh, they just need more weapons there.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Mock draft database has penn States tight end Tyler Warren
as the overwhelming majority first round pick for the Colts.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
You know why that is, By the way, it's because
he were forty four, just like Dallas Clark, Isn't that
exactly it? And played at a Big ten school, Right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I do like the you know, the consensus, uh you know,
big boards and the because really it's a way for
you know, thousands of thousands of media out outlets and
also the thousands of thousands of mock drafts that you see.
It's just kind of like a consensus of it. And
and I like just seeing where where people's heads are at.
So that's you know, who they have right now in
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the draft, that's the consensus popular pick right now. And
then you also have t Higginson for agecent Like I
think the Colts maybe should be a team that is aggressive,
like and I'm partially saying this because the Colts were
the teams that I desperately wanted to draft Brian Thomas
last year. Like, I think, oh, this guy fits, this
guy should fit what you know Chris Baller looks for
in terms of big and athletic and strong, Like I
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thought Brian Thomas Junior was a guy was a prospect
that was built in a lab for the Chris Baller types.
And he passes on him and he goes a lot too.
So I'm kind of like, hey, right, that wrong this
past so offseason, now this is something that disappointed me.
Like I thought Richardson was better than this. From Week
eleven onward, out of thirty one quarterbacks that qualified, Richardson
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was twenty seventh out of thirty one quarterbacks and overall
efficiency of like EPACPO week composite, I thought it was
better than that. And there were only two games that
he played from Week eleven onward that he completed like
more than sixty percent of his passes. And again I
thought he kind of got better in that department and
it was not. So I think the Colts, like I
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think they need to like answer themselves, is Anthony Richison
a guy that we really believe in? Number one? And
if that answer is, I'm not so sure. This is
a wait and see year. Do you really want to
take a chance on like drafting a tight end in
the first round or even going all out for t
Higgins in in free agency? If you have a quarterback
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here that we don't even believe in. But if we
have a quarterback here that we don't even believe even,
why were these guys all retained. And that's the thing
of the Indianapols culture.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Right now, that's a great question. I mean, Chris Ballard,
how many quarterbacks has he run through since he's been there?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
He goes through quarterbacks like most of us go through
T shirts.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Now, yeah, I have a lot of Christians in Ballard.
I do with the quarterback thing is like what quarterback
has he passed on that he should have went after.
Besides like the revisionist history of like signing Baker Mayfield
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Right, he hasn't been in the position to go. I
mean unless he wanted to trade up and go get somebody.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
And they did but it didn't workout.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, I get it. But Anthony Richardson, oh my god,
I can't believe this. He completed less than forty eight
percent of his passes. It's never been easier to complete
a pass in the NFL ever.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I know.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I watched the Jets game and I'm like, oh, hell yeah.
And then I looked at the rest of the games
and I'm like, oh, Okay, it wasn't awesome. It was better,
believe it or not. It was better than what he
was doing in the early part of the season, but
it still was like, oh man.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
All right, Bobby, you're up next, Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Keep your talent in the building. M you let guys
like Jesse Bates and GJ. Reader walk re signed T Higgins,
extend Chrey Hendrickson, and outside of those two things, build
a defense with an image in mind. Okay, you know
we talk about the Commanders. If they didn't Drafty and Daniels,
none of their planer shit works out. But something we
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did say positively about the Commanders last offseason before we
when we didn't think they're gonna be good at all,
we thought there would be a bottom five team, is
that this defense has been built in the image of
dan Quinn. It's like a dan Quinn light defense where
you get, you know, the Cowboys backup Edges. You had
the two good defensive tackles there. You know, you get
Bobby Wagner and Frankie Luvu linebacker, bring in Jeremy Chin
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at safety, and their cornerback group was bad off Obviously
weren't able to upgrade on that. But build a defense
with an image of mind. You're not going to turn
this defense into a top ten unit this offseason, but
put together an image for it so that this offense
can make you a super Bowl contender, because a middle
of the pack defense would have made this team a
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super Bowl contender.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
My question is is how many Notre Dame defenders do
the Bengals draft now that Al Golden is defensive court Golden.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
We are Golden. I remember it Miami, so so we'll
we'll see. But yeah, build build an image, build a
defense with an image in mind.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, that's good. Do you want to do your Chargers here?
And that'll get you why your favorite team? You were
by the way, you nailed it. You nailed it. You said,
the schedule is so simple, and you love Harbaugh and
you got them to the playoffs. So good job by you.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
By one game off of my record prediction, people not you.
You guys are actually more online with me than the consensus.
It's like the one prediction I got right last year. Uh.
You have three positions called wide receiver, tight end, and
running back. To use premium resources on two of those
three spots, you know I need to fix all three.
Use premium what you could draft If you want to
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draft a running back in the first round, do it.
If you want to draft a tight end in the
first round. Do it and then obviously make a free
agency piece. Make the run game great. That's that's one
thing I was off. The run game there was not
great with Greg Roman. It was the worst Greg Roman
rushing offense. Uh, you know in his time as a
play caller. And then my other wish list is trust
Jesse Minner to find smart pieces for him and create
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a next in line for when he leaves to get
a head coaching job next year.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, their defense, I think is going to be okay
that you know, they drafted a pair of fifth round
corners that that played very well for them this year.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Boy cam Hart.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, and Tarib still was great for them as well.
He was the other fifth rounder. You know, outside of
lad McConkie. They just don't have any consistency anywhere. Quentin Johnston,
we thought maybe earlier in the year would get better
and then he went back to Nelson Aguilar's status. They
didn't have anything at the tight end. Will Disley had
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that career year for him, but he's not a weapon.
They also have to get a little bit better in
the interior of that offensive line. They've got the two
great bookend tackles, but they're gonna be in good shape. Man.
I like where the Chargers are. It was a stinker
they had at the end of the season, but they're
gonna be in good shape. Denver Broncos. So they're interesting, right.
They had eighty five million in dead cap this year.
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They're going to drop that by fifty plus million dollars.
So they're gonna be like, oh my god, it's like
their uncle, their rich uncle just died and left them
with all this dough. So what are they gonna do.
I know that Sean Payton, but the wish list here
is to curb the temptation to fill your roster with
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needs at tight end and running back right out the
because those are both deep parts of this draft. Okay,
So I would push that further down the line. It
might be sexy, and I know that Sean Payton loves
to have his toys around, right, but I would say
keep kicking ass with that defense. Watch what just happened
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Super Bowl Sunday with the Philadelphia Eagles, and they consistently
add pass rushers in the draft. Denver led the NFL
in sacks this year. Keep doing it. The one other
thing on the wish list. Extend Nick Benito. You have to.
He's heading into the fourth and final year of his
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rookie deal. Sirtanz. He's your defensive player of the year.
He just got extended before this season. He's taken care of.
Go take care of Nick Benito. He made huge, huge
plays week after week the second half of the season.
Pay him. He deserves some dough. Add another elite defender
in the first round. Let's go Broncos.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
That thinks I got two things for you. The Patricks
are tain Defensive Player of the Year. Reminded me that
the NFL putting that on the Thursday before the super
Bowl drives me nuts. That is something they Yeah, we
don't get that. You just don't talk about it because
then the super Bowl happened. So one change that if
you want to do it end of the year, do
it Pro Bowl week.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Well number one, okay, they can't do it. Do you
know why they do it the way they did because
everybody everybody's at the super Bowl, so they want to.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
But don't put less value on that. People will be
at the Pro Bowl too. Just they didn't used to
do that. You don't even neither have.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
An award show you know, I'm gonna sit you down
one day and explain to you the business of the NFL.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
But that's okay. It's that they're really running dry over
there at the NFL. My number two is, uh, this
was the most unconventional answer for the Broncos, but it's
my favorite because you think, oh, the defense was awesome best,
you know, number one ranked defense in the NFL, or
number two, like, oh, just you know that's good. Now,
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let's read No, make keep making that defense stronger and
stronger and stronger and stronger. Trust if you if you
trust bow Nick, you can add pieces obviously, you know,
add a wide receiver in the second round or whatever,
but continue to make that defense stronger and stronger and stronger.
I love that answer.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yes, I got one right on the test. It took
me the entire year, the playoffs had passed Super Bowl,
but I finally nailed one answer that Bobby Skinner like,
thank you, Well, that was.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Just an unconven like most people would be like, oh,
get bo Nick's a wide receiver one, when it's like, no,
keep making that defense great.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
All right, Pennick, You're up next, Steelers.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
This is something that I've said on the show before
I'm gonna say it again. It's not gonna be the
last time that I say it.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Fire Mike Tomlin, Like that guy in New Orleans says.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Shit, yeah, that was crazy. That guy like I went
up with. I said nice, whatever, nice, he had a
jersey or a shirt on whatever. Immediately fire Mike Tomlin.
I'm like, whoa kids, Take it easy, man. Steelers signed
Sam Donald. Now the question that you got to ask yourself.
You gotta look at yourself in the mirror. If you're
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the Pittsburgh Steeler, or really if you're any team that
wants to go out and sign Sam Donald, you have
to look at yourself in the mirror and say, you
do know that if we signed Sam Donald, you are
not going to get the same performance and the same
exact same quarterback that you got last year when he
was with the Vikings. Because it's not Kevin O'Connell who's
calling plays and is the head coach. Probably don't have
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those tackles. And then number three, you don't have you
don't have a Sam Donald thrown to Justin Jefferson in Pittsburgh.
Those are the three things that you gotta like, honestly,
like assess, like when we're about to give this guy
forty million dollars, that's where you gotta look at yourself
in the mirror and inside. But I think the Steelers
and Arthur Smith, I think Sam Donald fits what they're
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trying to do over their play action. Let's throw it deep.
If George Pickens is still around, which I kind of
hope that he is, hope that he gets his mind right.
You know, it fits what they're trying to accomplish over
there in Pittsburgh, Sam Donald does.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
I that's I would sign Aaron Rodgers. I would take
Aaron Rodgers and what he's going to command ten times
out of ten for the I feel like that's.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
The opposite of what we're talking about that I think
Aaron Rodgers, Like I was listening to this you know
Jets podcast. However, Rodgers didn't really run a very vertical
offense this year and didn't really utilize Garrett Wilson, and
you know, they're trying to run like fourteen plays for
eighty two yards and you know, get seven points on
the board. So I mean, you know, obviously the Steelers,
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they do like to run the ball, and they do
like to play like the time of possession game. But
they also like, you know, so Russell Wilson with the
moonballs and how much that was an effective part does right?
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Right?
Speaker 3 (43:45):
But Sam Donald ken Ken do that has a good arm.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
I'm just not betting on Sam Darnal with a big contract.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I think, sorry, go ahead, my bad.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I just I'm not betting on Sam darn with a
big contract, and especially not with the Steelers with their personnel.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I think Sam Darland has too nice a hair to
be in Pittsburgh. I think that's my overall assessment. Like,
who is the last quarterback there that had a nice,
full head of hair that like Ben always chopped it
off us. Oh yeah, god, yeah, I guess so, huh,
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but you saw how that worked out. Yeah, I just
don't see it right. They're the best quarterback in franchise history,
have the flow. Yeah yeah, but that was right when
he got there, when he was no good and getting
booed off.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Had pretty good hair.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah. I think he was an insurance salesman in between
his NFL quarterback gigs.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
I'm yeah, Big Ben had one of the best rookie
seasons of all time, and it would have never happened
if Tommy with Maddicks. Didn he get injured in week one?
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Yeah, but he took over in week two, like really
good in terms of winning percentage. Didn't he go fourteen
and one as a starter.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, when he plays and that was place we statistically
that was one of the best of rookie It wouldn't
compared to rookies nowadays.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
No, Yeah, but you're right, you're right, all right, Bobby.
We got the bills.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, the bills. So you're fourteen million dollars over the cap.
Get cap your cap in line without touching your young
pieces on the O line, D line, simple as that, right,
you know, don't make any sacrifices of any of those
young guys.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
And I don't.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
I don't see that happening. You know, they're big pending
free agentcy with Seul Douglas and Amari Cooper. So but
I will say, like Alan doesn't need a top ten
wide receiver, but give give, give him someone that he
can go to on third down other than Koliot here
and and stop quarterback shneeking in the playoffs, that's another one.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Okay, Yeah, I mean those are all fair.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
I mean, I mean they were one play away from
the Super Bowl. You know, they're, you know, a handful
of decisions away from the Super Bowl, and I don't
have this crazy they should do this when they're fourteen
million dollars over the cap.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah, I mean they're not going anywhere with with that
monster under center. They're fine. I mean, they're in good
shape there. Just get luckier. Supposed is that it. I Mean,
it's weird to say, but that's kind of the way
I feel. My last team is the Houston Texans, and
it's pretty simple. I've tried to stay away from the
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quarterback talk, but this one you have to because of
the major step back it felt like CJ. Stroud had
this season, and that is to get his mentals right
and get him point in the right direction. He got
sacked fifty two times. Fifty two times, and a lot
of that pressure got right in his face, and I
don't know if he got gun shy. He you know,
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the thing that we marveled about was the fact his
rookie year he didn't turn the ball over and he
was accurate and he was a complete opposite this season.
So they've got to fix at least one of their
guard positions. They can move off of Shack Mason, I
think pretty easily. Patterson is a backup center. Go fix
that stuff. Take the best interior alignment with your first pick.
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I heard the center position is actually fairly deep this year.
You want to go take that somewhere down the line,
Go get a good center. Figure out. But you need
him to get back to where he was as a rookie,
and I think part of it starts with the interior
of that offensive line is just making him feel comfortable
in the pocket. Yet again, I know some people say,
because Diggs is going to move on and Tank Dell
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is coming off another massive injury, that you'd want to
go wide receiver. Well fine, I'll find somebody in the
second or third round.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
My biggest mistle signing for the Texans is at this
point next year or no, not even this point next year.
Convince me at some point next year to stop calling
you the Houston the Houston third and long Texans, because
every you just look up every third down, third and
eight third and nine third and twelve third and this
third and that. Every time you look up at the
TV screen, they're in third down, and it's a third
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down situation that quarterbacks don't like. So get that nickname out.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
All right, panic, your last one's the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Oh, the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Is it this simple? Is it this simple?
Speaker 2 (48:08):
I'm gonna go simple, change the running back.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Here are the Ravens wide receivers on their roster right now,
Zay Flowers for Sean Baton, Devontes Walker.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Those are the three. Agalar is an impending free agent.
Everybody else is an impending free agent on that team.
I finally want Lamar Jackson to get somewhat of a
legitimate outside wide receivers. Hey Flowers took a step up
this year. Increase the archs per reception, say Flowers, Yeah,
he has outside inside versatility. I want more of a bigger, bodied,
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more conventional wide receiver one for Lamar Jackson. Now, he's
always been a guy that doesn't need it. He operates
like he doesn't need it. But let's just see what
happens when Lamar Jackson is throwing the ball to more
of a bona fide number one stud go out and
trade for Tyreek Hill. Now they would never do that.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Never, Yeah, I don't see that happening.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
That's my wish list.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yeah, once again, they just they just have to play
a little bit better a little I mean Mark Andrews
catch the ball, right, Yeah, all these teams that are
so good, it's like, what's their wish list.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Next to Roquan How about that? That's my wish list
for the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Okay, yeah, great, I mean, like any little thing with
teams that are this good and they have good coaching
and great organizational stability, it's just ridiculous. Which takes us
to the team that got embarrassed in Super Bowl fifty nine.
Bobby Skinner.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, I just got to increase the payouts of the refs.
No on, fix your offensive tackle spot, create an actual
good run running game that isn't just efficient whereas high
in a success rate, but you're low in yardage and
become more explosive, and I think both of those things
help you become more explosive. Get back to it. Let's
(49:57):
have some more fun, right. You know what was fun
watching e Xavier Worthy split two dbs. I know they
were backups, but you got the speed. Fix the offensive
tackle spot, create again, create an actual good run game,
and guess what, the explosives will start to happen again.
Become the fun. Kansas City chiefs offense. The old the
old me, the you know, the the old me that
(50:17):
I don't recognize anymore.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah, I think I think there's no question that they're
Their term could be maga make offense great again?
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Oh boy, that's the show.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Have another similar term I saw on on Twitter too.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Oh gosh, we're just having fun, all right. We are
back at it again early next week. You know, we're
just a few weeks away from the combine, and then
a few weeks after that it's the start of the
league year and free agency, and then after that it's
about five weeks till the draft. So it just a
lot of stuff happening. The off season is a ton
of fun, Bobby, When when do you shut it down?
(50:57):
And for the nuptials?
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Uh, next week? You won't see him in the show
for about a week and a half.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Actually, wait a second, what what? What? What? When is this?
Speaker 2 (51:08):
I'm out next week and then the wedding is on Sunday,
and then I'll be out the midweek and they'll be
back the end of that next week.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Holy smoke. So you're getting married a week from Sunday?
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yes, yes, that is that is that is in fact true.
Is just be up here or down here, excuse me,
and it's gonna be a grand old time.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Okay, all right, Well I'm not home right now, so
I won't run out to the mailbox to check for
the invitation. Could you send an e invite? Um?
Speaker 3 (51:36):
You know you did old No, you did old No,
you did old school. I got mine in the mail.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Yeah, you want to do old school when it comes
to the wedding guys.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, which was weird, Like people that live down the
street from me somehow didn't get it in the mail,
and then the people in New Jersey did get it.
I don't know what the hell is going on with
the United States Postal.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Service literally down the street from you, yes, yes, like
walking distance.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Well you're not what save the state.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
It is people that live down the street. I hand
delivered it to those people. But I'm talking about people
that like live you know, ten minutes away.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
From around town.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Still should have driven them. That's what you should have done.
You should have driven the invitation over people like to
get them in the mail. Those invitations can get heavy.
Then put old stamps that like are a penny on
there so that way makes them feel good. Mm hmm.
There you go would have saved you some money. Wedding
planner Chris Rows, all right, well in that case, congratulations
(52:29):
to you and your bride a little bit early. It's awesome.
Then you can't wait. We can't wait to have you
back here, and we're gonna find out not everything, but
we're gonna find out a lot of stuff about how
it all went down. How many people are coming to
this thing.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
One hundred people, and then we'll be live streaming it
on the Talking Giants channel. I'll be brought to you
by Captain Morgan.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Hey, it's great to have at the bar man. I
want to I want to I want to check out
that stream and that.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Is this the presenting sponsor.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
You know, you start paying for wedding and you start
thinking of like selling out, you know, but I didn't.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
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Speaker 2 (53:10):
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Speaker 1 (53:20):
So well you could upgrade where you sit, you know,
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on your sea key cap.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
So let me let me let me run this by
you first. So I'm thinking, because you know, I'm going
to do like a not a speech, but like a
thank you at the end. Yeah, and I'll think now,
not everyone most actually basically no one there listens to me, right,
it's it's justin and then a handful of other people
who actually like listen to what I do. I'm thinking
of doing the joke and then welcome to talking giants
presented by and like, oh sorry, it's just my natural
(53:49):
instinct when nobody's going to get it.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think people get it.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yeah, I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
Nobody's gonna get it.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
And it's not that funny either, So it's just not
worth it.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
And just remember that part of the speech. Your speech
should be a couple of lines. We want to thank
you very much. We love having everybody here and very
special to all of us. You know the whole bit,
don't but I will give you this. You want one
word of advice about about the wedding day? Yeah, seriously, Okay,
(54:21):
don't blink your your fiance's name again.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Isabelle.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
Isabelle, you two while the party's going on.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
She just said, what when I said that, By the way, just.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Walk away for like four minutes. Go just look over everything,
just take take take a mental snap shot, Take a
mental snapshot of what is happening. You'll want to have one,
one photograph in your brain to have of the whole
festivities and everything. You'll have plenty of actual photographs, but
(54:54):
just have one in your mind that one's just for
the two of you.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
And then one day we'll take that photograph and we'll
put it in the Airbnb and somebody will steal it.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
All right.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
That's an episode.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
For producer Connor, for Justin Pennock, for the soon to
be married Bobby Skinner. I am Chris Rose. We will
see you next week, at least most of you will,
and most of us will here on Football Today, presenting
you by Captain Morgan, the official Spice Drum of the NFL.
It is Thursday, February thirteenth, twenty twenty five. This is
another edition of Football Today, presented to you by Captain Morgan,
the official Spice Drum of the NFL. My dudes, we're
all back together. Bobby Skinner, Justin Pennock, Chris Rose, producer
Connor putting it all together. Bobby, I gotta be honest
with you. Saw Justin Pennock down there at the Super Bowl.
(00:22):
I know I wasn't on Monday Show obviously with the
travel back and everything else. But Pennick had a chance
to meet missus Rose. So now we're going to have
to have you meet Missus Rose at some point too.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, did you get the wedding invite? Sorry? That was mean. No.
I tried to score with you for a second.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
No, dude, I thought maybe I was going to Spain.
Isn't that where we're getting married? Oh wait, it's Florida.
It's the same place.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah maybe maybe you know, maybe one day we'll all
move there. Okay, but yeah I got to meet missus Rose. Well,
I was meeting mister Pennock, even though you've met him
a bunch of times.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, Well, for her, it was probably the most memorable
part of going to New Orleans in Super Bowl fifty nine. Like,
if she were to rank it, it certainly wouldn't be
the game. It might be like he might be somewhere
in between the post Malone concert and having dinner at
our niece's house. So pettic. At least you made the list, buddy, what.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
You think of the halftime show?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I thought it. I think she thought it was fine.
I'm not. Why do you try to be a shitster?
What are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Because I watched Instagram reels and then I'm as on
Twitter and it's very funny because Twitter is like that
you don't understand it, and then Instagram is making fun
of the you don't understand the people. I kind of
side with Instagram, like it's not for me. Okay, I
don't like it.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's fine. Not everybody has to like everything, you know.
I don't think people love the Rolling Stones when they
played there, like a decade and a half ago or whatever.
It's fine except Chris Rose.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Everybody has to like Chris Rose.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
That's not true. That's not true. You should check social
media on that one. All right, we're gonna have a
fun show coming up. We're gonna touch on the AFC.
We're gonna break it down in terms of what has
to happen for every team, what should they want in
the offseason. It could be an individual move, it could
be something that has to happen with their coaching from
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something that has to happen for this team in order
for like twenty twenty five to be a success or
at least get point in the right direction. We're gonna
do that in just a second, But first let's start
with this. Kellen Moore has a new job. He was
Philly's oc during the Super Bowl run. He is now
new Orleans head coach Bobby Is this a going to
be a smashing success or he just kind of meh
(02:35):
on the move?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I think Kellen Moore is as mad as a coach
as there is. Obviously he's offense coordinator for the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Is that just because of the way he looks? Is
that what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
No? I mean it's it's I've watched the Cowboys offenses.
Obviously the Chargers got fired mostly because you know, got
fired because he was what they're with Brandon Staley. But
you know, I don't think anybody was super impressed with
what he did that year with Justin Herbert. I think, like,
tell me, like what part of his offensive game planning
really just blows you away. I Mean they hand they
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run the ball really well, which with Saquon Barkley in
that offensive line, and they they get one on ones
for aj Brown. Like I was much more impressed with
the way Shane Stiken had that Eagles offense than Kellen Moore.
I think he is middle of the road, But at
the same time, I think it's a solid enough higher
for the Saints, who are an undesirable location to go
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to with all of the dead cap and how they're
going to fix that. A GM who's been there for
twenty plus years, a quarterback who you really can't get
rid of in Derek Carr. But it's not that good
defense to that is you know, lacking players up front,
Like it's not it's not a fun situation in New Orleans.
Like their best player on offense is extremely injury prone.
And Chris Chris o'love.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
You know, I will say if I am a Saints
fan and I'm watching that Super Bowl, I am I
am a little bit jazzed up, being like, oh, well,
this is a guy that just kind of outdueled Steve Spagnolo. Now,
obviously you have the impact of Saquon Barkley, and you
know you have all those linebackers and safeties with their
eyes in the backfield, like on that DeVante Smith long
touchdown in the second half. You know that's play action
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and all the eyes are in the backfield. And then
Stevante Smith won on one. So you know, you look
at it, but like, oh, it's simple stuff. But I
very much could have seen a world where Kellen Moore
runs the same old predictable stuff and Steve Spagnolo had
him figure it out and then the Chiefs kind of
take over that game and win. And that absolutely did
not happen. So if I'm a Saints game, I'm seeing
Kellen Moore call that game against Steve spag Nolan, one
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of the best defense coordinators all time, one of the best,
the most successful defensive coordinators all time, And I'm like,
all right, you just did it in my home stadium.
Welcome Kellen Moore, and we'll see what we got. The
Saints have more of a conversation to like, what are
we going to be as a franchise. I think that's
honestly like the biggest question that they need to answer
this offseason, more than Kellen Moore, more than what do
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they do at quarterback? It's like, all right, well, we're
at a fork in the road because we've done all
this stuff with the salary and all this stuff with
pushing guys back, like Alfa Kamara has like a thirty
million dollar cap hit. Are we gonna eat it? And
are we gonna kind of live in this bad world
for a second or are we going to continue to
operate business as usual and backload contracts, backload contracts and
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try and kind of like this win now thing. That's
more of the more pressing question for the Saints.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
If you're to rank the thirty two teams in terms
of one being most interesting in thirty two being leased,
they're pretty damn close to thirty two because there's even
some bad teams, Like you could take my team for instance,
that is interesting. You've got their best player ever defensively
requesting a trade. They're trying to figure out how to
do the quarterback. If you look at the new Owns Saints,
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you're like, ye, like, I think that's my perfect reaction,
and I think Ellen Moore kind of fits into that
category and only shaking his hand once. He seems like
a really, really nice person. The biggest question I think
we all have is something that we don't know about,
which is what is he going to be like when
he has to stand in front of a room full
of dudes and lead them right? You could see a
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little bit with Ben Johnson he was more than just
this cute play caller, like when he got in front
of the microphone in Chicago. There's a lot of swagger
with him right now. When Kevin O'Connell went up to Minnesota,
he looks like a fricking head. I don't know if
you guys have ever stood near him, seen him on
the sideline. That is a giant man. Kellen Moore looks
like he could hide in a cubicle during tech season
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and you know crush accounting, Like that's a little bit
what it looks like. So I think the questions we've
got most about him are the ones that we won't
see or have answers to until either he's successful or
not successful. I think that's kind of the point here.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
And he's left handed. I think the I'm a lefty too,
but I love watching at Boys State I saw that
Shador Sanders broke the college completion percentage record and people
were bragging about that, and it's like, yes, second place
is Colt Brandon Rustlin Prieze, third place Kellen Moore. So
he's to be a great fifth round pick. Anyways, I
think the hires man or a lot right. It seems
like Brandon Staley may be the favorite to get the
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defensive coordinator job. I don't know if I love that,
especially with their personality. They don't really have the guys
up front to run a Brandon Staley defense the way
it probably should be operated. I think of the staff matters.
And again, the more interesting the thing with the New
Orleans is what are they going to do with team building?
Because to continue to do it the same way they've
done it is just it's yeah, you're what are you
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trying to accomplish it?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Except that Mickey Loomis is still the guy making the calls.
He's been doing it for almost twenty five years, So
I mean, what do we mean? What what's he going
to do? Why would they vary from what they have done?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Well?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Why would they is because they should? But I agree
with you, I don't. I don't I don't believe that
they will, like you said, because it's the same guy
like that's been doing it for all those years. So
what what type of signal of change?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
You know?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I think they extended Alvin Camorrow when it felt like
that was going to end this offseason. So like what again?
Like like you just said, Rose, why would they Yep?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Okay, So now we're going to get down to the
wish list for each NFL team, basically the biggest priority
this offseason, something that can get you pointed in the
right direction if it actually happens, and we're going to
just focus on the AFC team. So we're going to
go in reverse draft order, Pennick, you and I are
going to do five teams apiece. But because Bobby is
(08:22):
the biggest football head we know, Bobby, are you okay
to do six teams? Are you all right with that?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I am no Hay Arnold, but I am a football head.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay. I guess I'll bat leadoff since you all gave
me the Titans, right, I guess I'll go first. All right?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I have that in the halftime show.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Stop trying to convince yourself that Will Levis is the
dude I think we're just about all the way there, right,
Mike Borgonzi is the guy that's that's coming in and
taking over for ran carthin as the GM. Now, he
did say early on, we will not pass on a
generational talent at one. From everything we're being told, that
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does not mean that we're going to take cam warders Sanders, right.
Nobody thinks that those are generational talents. There are people
that think that they can be starting quarterbacks, high end,
maybe decent quarterbacks, and perhaps playoff winning quarterbacks if everything
falls the right way. But they have to go this direction.
(09:24):
They have to find their next dude in the building
because even when they have made the playoffs over the
last ten twelve years, it's been Ryan Tannehill and Marcus Mariota,
and those guys haven't been good enough. So you know what,
I would say, take your chance on cam Ward. I
would say, go do it. Don't give me the whole
generational talent thing. Let's not say that because that's not
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what he is. But at the same time, in my opinion,
the second best quarterback in franchise history, and this is
dating back to their days in Houston, Warren Moon was
the best, and then Steve Air McNair when he was
drafted third overall the year that he came out in
ninety five. I believe he came from Division two alcorn State,
and those were the big questions. Can he step up
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big time and play against NFL talent well with cam
Ward who played at three different schools including Incarnate Ward.
Can he get it done? I say, screw it, go
for it. Just convince yourself that he's the right guy.
Just make the pick, please, That's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, I think we'll get the answer on the Titans
in free agency because if they're not drafting a quarterback
or they plan on trading down, then you they're gonna
have to spend a decent amount of money on whatever
quarterback and free agency if that's Sam Darnold or whoever,
like you said that Will Levis cannot be the plan
like he can be the backup at best here. So yeah,
(10:44):
it'll be interesting to see what they do. Again. That
generational line I thought was taken a little too far.
It's been me an hour trying to find it. By
the way, it was on some random radio show, So yeah,
I agree, they got to kind of figure out what
they're doing at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
All right, Pennick, you're up next to my Cleveland Browns
who are drafting second.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
All right, So this is kind of like a two
pronged approach that I have for the Browns, because I
think I would be okay with either of these. Either
embrace kind of like a full tank and a full
rebuild by trading away Miles Garrett and the number two
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pick and and.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Oh god, or.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Convince Miles Garrett to stay and take up to a
Carter with the second overall pick, and holy smokes, I
don't know what that offense looks like. But is that
a defense? I mean, the defense is still fun for
the Cleveland Browns, but is that a defense that is
getting getting some eyeballs looked at it? Because it is?
Because that would be an awesome defense.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I would like to go b please on that. I'm sorry,
I cannot. I cannot. We've been through too many unintentional
tanks in Cleveland. I cannot do that. I appreciate it,
but please don't make that happen, please, because there's no
guarantee that whatever quarterback comes next, if it's Arch Manning
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or somebody else a will even be there. If you
luck into a couple extra wins. You could be sitting
sixth and set a first and there's no guarantee that
he's gonna be great. We just don't know that stuff.
Everybody thought Trevor Lawrence was going to be incredible. Guess
what his team's drafting fifth this year.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
So yeah, I agree that the idea of if of like,
oh well, we can wait next year to get a quarterback.
My thing is just if you think a quarterbacks where
they have it, take it. If you don't, like, don't
think about like, never pass up on someone that you
think is franchise worthy because remember what was the last
team that was told to do that, The Texans and
they ended up getting CJ. Strouds. So I think that
ended up working out with them. But I mean, you're
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a Browns fan, what is your course of action? What's
your wish? I know you don't have this team, but like,
what would you be your wishless?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Well, they have to figure out what's going on with Miles.
They have to, and it's easy to say, well, he
doesn't want to be here. It's the beginning of February game.
We don't play a football game for seven months, so
there is a lot of time to figure this out,
to get him an extension, to try and say, hey, listen, dude,
everybody thinks that this has been consistently three and fourteen.
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It hasn't been all right since Stefanski and Barry took over.
And Andrew Barry does have his shortcomings when it comes
to the draft. His record is not good, but it
hasn't been consistent three and fourteen. This was this was
the outlier during the Stefanski Bary era. It really has
been right. They've been to the playoffs twice. They had
an eight and nine season, they had a seven and
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ten season. Three and fourteen was horrible. But let's not
act like this is what it's been year after year
after year for the last five because that's not it's
just not accurate.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I have a secondary of spin speaking of Stefanski, and
I have a secondary goal for the Browns and specifically
for him him now, Bobby and Rose. I remember there
was one point where we were talking about Kevin Stefanski
and his rushing schemes and his run schemes, as like
this is one of the most elaborate, awesome stuff in
the NFL. And with the you know, acquiring Deshaun Watson.
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We've gone away from that. We've gone away from heavy personnel,
We've gone away from running the ball, running an offense
through Nick Chubb. Now, I don't know what this stage
in Nick Chubb's I don't know if you can do that,
but I think, you know, if you invest properly at
running back and offensive line, I think you can kind
of get back to that. I want Kevin Stefanski to
get back to what made him initially successful with the
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Cleveland Browns and why the Cleveland Browns initially were a
spot that wanted to make such an aggressive trade for
a quarterback like Deshaun Watson. You figured, oh, they can
make that trade because of the infrastructure that they have,
and then the offense just needed that quarterback to kind
of take him over the top. That's my challenge for
Stefanski this year. Scrap this eleven personnel stuff. Let's get
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some more tight ends on the field. It's got some
more offensive linemen on the field. Let's start running the
damn ball again, because that's where the NFL is too.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well. They did that to appease to Shawn. In my opinion,
I don't know that for a fact where they brought
in a new OC and Kevin Stefanski, he goes down.
He's going down calling the plays he wants and I
think you'll see a difference in that. Yeah, let's move on.
The New England Patriots have the fourth pick in the draft.
Bobby Skinner, what's the wish list?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
This is the team that I think most reasonably can
accomplish the things on their wish list because they have
Drake May build the offensive line, whether that's not just
signs in free agency or the draft. They just sign
in free agency. Attack it with the fourth pick. If
you don't like the value at the fourth pick, and
you know, you know you don't want to pass up
on Carter or Hunter, trade back because you need to
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protect that asset and let that asset and Drake May thrive.
And here's why I'm not talking about wide receiver when
it comes to being the number one, because I think
wide receiver they should be able to take care of.
If there is one team that you say, go spend
twenty eight million dollars on t Higgins, it is the
New England Patriots. His skill set fits with Drake May's
twenty six years old. They have the most cap space
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in the NFL one hundred, one hundred and twenty million.
Use it. And then when you draft, when you signed
to Higgins, go try and get your wide receiver too,
and free agency as well. You know a Darius Slayton
from the New York Giants, make him your wide receiver too.
Spend the more money there. Let Pop Douglas be your slot,
and then just set yourself up for the draft to
go heavy, heavy, heavy in the trenches like I would
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spend free agency, you know, hitting some of the glamour
spots and then allowing ourselves in the draft to go heavy, heavy,
heavy in the trenches.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah. You know, it's the old adage. If you don't
have the right quarterback coach combination, you're screwed. I do
think that they've got both guys that can lead them
to a promise. Land I really feel that much goodwill
toward Drake may I called two of their games this
past season. I'm honest when I say I think that
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was the worst offensive line and wide receiver rooms I've
ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And you knew it going into the year. At least
with the offensive line, the receiver room that had some
young guys, And I you know, I like Pop Douglas
as like a flexible player. It was bad, but yeah,
it was. It was a mess. He was able to
survive that build build around Drake May as as the
as the goal of this offseason.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, and I you know, I do I think that
they can close the gap significantly on Buffalo in that division.
I mean, I do think that they can go. They
might be able to get seven or eight wins next
year depending if they if they hit this right now,
the question is do you believe in Elliott Wolf being
able to do this. I don't.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
But here's the thing, Rose is if they do do
like my wishless plan for them, I'm picking them to
make a wild card run. I really, I really am.
Because there is that defense I think can be coached
up better than what it was last year. It has talent.
You have Drake May and then you add that offensive
talent around and Vrabel's a good coach, McDaniel's commune, a
great coordinator with the right quarterback. I am picking them
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to be a wildcard team. If they accomplished my wish list.
At the offensive line, they just add two pieces and
you know wide receiver, they kind of get better but
not great. Then I'm not picking them. But do my
wish list. Patriots, you got the money to do it.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Okay, we're gonna move back to me. And I've got
the Jacksonville Jaguars who have the fifth pick in the draft.
They just like the Patriots. They went four and thirteen.
I've got a new coach, right, so do all due?
Did I do that right?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
That was good?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That's horrible. I'm not gonna sit here and say, well,
I'm wishing for good health for the quarterback. I got
that all right. This team actually has some talent. It
was embarrassing that they got only four wins a season ago.
It was, to me, actually borderline disgraceful. The one thing
they've got to just fix entirely is the secondary. They
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got to figure this out. They were far away the
worst passing defense in the NFL. They only got six interceptions.
So the wish for them, in my opinion, is that
somehow Travis Hunter falls to them at five. I don't
see a way that that can happen right now, but
that's what they need because they could sprinkle him in
on offense, they put them in on defense. Whatever it is. However,
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you want to figure that out. If that doesn't happen,
because I don't think it will. Some team has to
love Shador Sanders enough to jump over the Raiders who
are at six in the draft. They have to hope
and pray that that happens. That they can then move
back and maybe draft like Will Johnson out of Michigan
because their secondary has got to get better. But I
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like most of the talent on this team. I look
at the other teams in the top five and they
are beref the talent. In most cases. That is not
the case with Jacksonville. But god damn fix the secondary.
Holy smokes, was at horrible, horrible, horrific. So there you go,
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that's what they need. I love it.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, two years ago they really like I think they
just banked on Oh wow, look at our defense. Look
at how good that Look at how good that it is.
You know, they had a really good record through through
the month of November and the December they fell apart
two years ago, so I think they kind of just
banked on head again to next year. They lost key
secondary pieces and then just banked on all, Well, the
defense is going to be good again, and it absolutely
was not. Oh and just also hoping that Trevor Lawrence
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would stay healthy, which he did not, but the season
fell apart for them even before that anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
And by the way, is treymon Walker going to be
the most non descript, semi productive number one overall pick
ever because he's had back to back double digit SAX
seasons and you haven't even noticed it, right.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
That's because he's in douve all. He's a solid player.
He's a solid player. It is very weird where it's like, yeah,
he's not all these traits, he's not gonna get production,
and he's got decent production, but it's still like not, well,
you know, even the best, the people who liked them
at the number one O, we're all picking vision for him.
So so yeah, but that JA. I think that Jags,
like you said, they get that secondary right, They've got
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pieces on that front stete where they could have a
little fun defensively, and then you obviously have Lawrence and
Thomas and all that jazz.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
So uh, you got the Raiders panic I do.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
This is going to probably be my most vague, my
vague wishless item for the Raiders because.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I just feel like they need everything.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
They need everything now the Raiders, they've been one of
the phases of instability over the last two decades. Trivia
the last time they had a head coach last for
four straight seasons without being fired. Do you guys know.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Byern or traded? Because what ear was Gruden traded Rose?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
That is a very very good follow up question because
it is John Gruden during his first tenure with the Raiders.
And yes, so I least head coach to last four
straight seasons, whether it is via Trader being what via being.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Still that's a long time man. That's twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Ninety eight to two thousand and one. I think that
was the tenure. Wow, so that's a last time that
a coach lasted four straight years for them. My biggest
wish to sign him for them, for the for the
Oakland National Las Vegas Raiders is to set a foundation
for stability. Very vague John spy Tech's coming out from
the Bucks. They take pride in drafting, developing, and retaining.
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I think those the third part's most important. Spy Tech
also has a reputation for really involving the coaches and
personnel decisions, letting them have their input. Cool to see
that Patrick Graham is still sticking around.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You know, Patrick Graham was about to stick around with
the Giants after Joe Judge was fired, stuck around with
the Raiders, so I love to see that. I think
Graham's just a glue guy. Hopefully he gets a head
coaching job one day, and then obviously if Chip Kelly
is off, its coordinator. So spy Tech really big on
kind of letting the coaches really have a say on
personnel and drafting decisions, and obviously the biggest question for
the Raiders is QB and spy Tech had this to
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say about Pete Carroll and the Seahawks finding Russell Wilson.
I always admired the way that they started in Seattle
at the quarterback position, in particular, they just kept taking
shots and shots and shots. By Tick said, they traded
and drafted guys high. They found their way to Russell Wilson.
What an unbelievable move that was. He was a little
bit different. He was under six feet at the time
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when most quarterbacks were over six feet, so they were
willing to think outside the box a little bit. Spy
Tech is also coming from the organization that signed Tom Brady.
Obviously that was a no brainer decision, but you know,
not the conventional drafter quarterback develop and retain him. So
I think the Raiders, even if they make some outside
the box moves, whether it is being aggressive and going
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after a quarterback like a Sam Darnold, whether that is
if the Giants wind up passing on like a shirdor
Sanders drafting Sarder Sanders, but you're a draft pick. So
and even if they don't even find an answer at quarterback,
making certain moves on the roster to just find some
sort of stability. Whether you want to be aggressive or
not be aggressive, I don't know. But the Raiders they've
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been the face of instability over the last twenty years.
Whatever decisions they need to make, they need to make
them together and on the page between front office and
coaching staff, it was.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Very vague get better.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, But I but fellas like I can't sit here
and say like I want the Raiders to be aggressive
and get this person. I want the Raiders to be
conservative because the Washington Commanders kind of taught me something
this this past offseason where they were semi aggressive, like
in free agency when I said, oh, I don't think
you should, Like, what why are you going out and
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signing all these veterans? And then you see like all
these guys are glue guys to go on a little
bit of a playoff run. So the Raiders kind of
need so much. I just feel like whatever they decide
to do as an organization this year, it needs to
make sure that they do it together. Yeah, and now
like this, this guy's voice is stronger than.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
The other one.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, what Washington's game plan was doesn't mean shit if
Sam Howe is still the quarterback. Let's be honest here,
And I think last year when we did the quarterback rankings,
we talked about how the Raiders had the worst quarterback
game play and moving forward because they didn't have a
game plan. Right, it was Gardner, Minshew and O'Connell. Right,
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that's not like that's not a game plan that's not
thinking about the future. It wasn't even thinking about twenty
twenty four. So it starts with this and Spytech who,
by the way, it just sounds like a startup every
time we mention his name, So I don't know if
we're going to know by his first name or what
it is.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Silicon Valley.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Right, yeah, so I don't know they're they're a mess,
but good job by you, even if it is vague.
I liked it all right, Bobby Jets, fix the Jets
wish list.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
It's so simple that it's tough. Mature of the team
and build a culture. Right, you're bringing in Aaron Glenn,
former Jet from the Dan Campbell Tree, get go, get
buy in from your stars and Saft Gardner, Garret Wilson
and Quinn and Williams. Right Like, that's because you look
at this team and outside of quarterback and offensive line,
what are the positions that were like, oh man, they're
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just so weak here. And even offensive line, you have
Olu and Tipman who are young pieces. Av played fifteen
games this year, but I don't know if you can
bet on that every year going forward. And then the
obviously one is find another QB to go with Tyrod Taylor,
because I'm fine with Tyrod Taylor as a bridge starter
for a year, but he's too injury prone. You can't
rely on him. And but you have to find this
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quarterback without drafting one on Day two or Day three,
because you don't want to draft a bad quarterback, which
is basically what every day two and day three quarterback
is for your fan base and your dumbass owner. Whatdy
Johnson to be asking for you to start? Okay, you
already was sho you to pick on Jordan Travis. Don't
do it on another player.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I think he will change the culture. Once again, I
don't know what's going to happen a quarterback tyrod and
you nailed it. You can't rely on him.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
It's just well, think about this team. This was the
team that was seven and ten two years in a row,
and then it fell out last year. They're getting rid
of Aaron Rodgers. You get buy in and get that defense,
which is very talent, and you get another quarterback to
go next to Tyrold, maybe even Tyrol's just a backup,
and you get someone else as a starter who's just
like an NFL player, who you can rely on to
start games. That's another team that can you know, reel
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off some wins. Not gonna be much of a threat
without that quarterback answer, but can at least, like I said,
reel off some wins.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, it's just today. Look we look at the division
you just mentioned earlier that if the Patriots go with
your wish list. You think that there'll be a wildcard team.
I think that if it's Tyrod and nobody else at quarterback,
this isn't a wild card team.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
No, I don't think it is either.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
So they'll just continue the longest playoff drout we got
going in the NFL. Yes, oh man, that's tough.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
By the way, Lions kept that drought going, you know
when they first got Campbell and friends.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, no, I get it, I get it. But at
least the Lions had been to the playoffs with Stafford
right in recent years when they got him.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
So it's been a while, been over like five years.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
But yeah, all right, I'm gonna do the Miami Dolphins,
and I will say this, change the attitude that everybody
thinks you're soft, like you have to be in a
controlled environment in order to win football games. They run
the ball great, but we don't think they're physical. Their
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defense has some players, we just don't think they're that tough.
So start with that mentality. And I don't know if
that's a coach thing an organizational thing, but when you
think Miami Dolphins, like when you think Steelers or you
think Ravens, you think tough like they you're like, goddamn,
we're going into Baltimore, We're going into Pittsburgh. We gotta
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go play. It ain't gonna be easy. When you're like,
you're going to Miami. Sweet might lose, but man, okay,
it almost feels like you're playing flag football. So I
would say this the two is stuff I get. I
want them to try the backup quarterback position like it's
a legit roster spot and not an afterthought for them.
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I also don't want Chris Greer drafting offensive lineman in
the first two rounds. They need to, but he can't
be the guy picking it. He just can't be Austin
Jackson when he's out there is okay. He traded up
for Liam Eikenberg, right, exactly like the best guy he's
drafted was Robert Hunt and they let him walk. So
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don't let him do that. If anything, I go find
an edge opposite Chop Robinson because Jalen Phillips is coming
off his second straight major injury. Right, he had the achilles.
Now he's got an acl I don't know if he'll
you can ever rely on him. I would go get
an edge at thirteen. You could probably get a really
really good. One. Chop was great. The second half of
the season, I'd start to establish an attitude like we
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want to be bad mfors instead of just yeah, we're
cute Miami.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Is Tyreek Hill going to be on the team next
next year?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I think so?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
You don't.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I mean, it doesn't it seem like there's a like,
wouldn't they be smart? Like this is going to become
a toctic thing here this year?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yes, but what so what are you gonna do? You're
gonna trade him for like a third second tops?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I never see your trade market has gone low. But
I feel like Tyreek Is would be the best receiver
traded since.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Tyreek Kill.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, than Devonte Adams.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, Amari Cooper. Those by the way, these those trades
did not work out this year for wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
No, none of them did.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
None of them did.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Now, Cooper was the random falloff where he's never missed
games or anything, and then this year it just was
not good.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
No, But I mean the guys that were traded before that,
when you include like Adams from Green Bay to the Raiders,
put up nice stats, no wins. Aj Brown obviously worked
out great for Philadelphia Digs.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
He was a good one before you know, his first
trader around. But it's just I'm talking about but when
he got traded to the Bills.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah, I don't know these days. I just I think
that's a dicey one. Man.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I think Perry Hills contract was a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Well, on top of that.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Twenty seven million this year and then he's got twenty
twenty six, he's got fifty one. I mean they would
have to you know, a team would have to work
with it either extended. I don't even know, man. But
then he's got void years, so that that's not a
this is a we've pushed money back contract.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So all right, up next, Pennic. If your wish list
for uh, the Indianapolis Colts is anything other than Anthony Richardson,
better be learning how to throw strikes in his backyard
with a bullseye target. Then you're off base.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Well it's related to Anthony Richison, but it's add another
game changing weapon for Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
That he can overthrow by six miles.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Oh, they just need more weapons there.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Mock draft database has penn States tight end Tyler Warren
as the overwhelming majority first round pick for the Colts.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
You know why that is, By the way, it's because
he were forty four, just like Dallas Clark, Isn't that
exactly it? And played at a Big ten school, Right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I do like the you know, the consensus, uh you know,
big boards and the because really it's a way for
you know, thousands of thousands of media out outlets and
also the thousands of thousands of mock drafts that you see.
It's just kind of like a consensus of it. And
and I like just seeing where where people's heads are at.
So that's you know, who they have right now in
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the draft, that's the consensus popular pick right now. And
then you also have t Higginson for agecent Like I
think the Colts maybe should be a team that is aggressive,
like and I'm partially saying this because the Colts were
the teams that I desperately wanted to draft Brian Thomas
last year. Like, I think, oh, this guy fits, this
guy should fit what you know Chris Baller looks for
in terms of big and athletic and strong, Like I
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thought Brian Thomas Junior was a guy was a prospect
that was built in a lab for the Chris Baller types.
And he passes on him and he goes a lot too.
So I'm kind of like, hey, right, that wrong this
past so offseason, now this is something that disappointed me.
Like I thought Richardson was better than this. From Week
eleven onward, out of thirty one quarterbacks that qualified, Richardson
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was twenty seventh out of thirty one quarterbacks and overall
efficiency of like EPACPO week composite, I thought it was
better than that. And there were only two games that
he played from Week eleven onward that he completed like
more than sixty percent of his passes. And again I
thought he kind of got better in that department and
it was not. So I think the Colts, like I
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think they need to like answer themselves, is Anthony Richison
a guy that we really believe in? Number one? And
if that answer is, I'm not so sure. This is
a wait and see year. Do you really want to
take a chance on like drafting a tight end in
the first round or even going all out for t
Higgins in in free agency? If you have a quarterback
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here that we don't even believe in. But if we
have a quarterback here that we don't even believe even,
why were these guys all retained. And that's the thing
of the Indianapols culture.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Right now, that's a great question. I mean, Chris Ballard,
how many quarterbacks has he run through since he's been there?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
He goes through quarterbacks like most of us go through
T shirts.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Now, yeah, I have a lot of Christians in Ballard.
I do with the quarterback thing is like what quarterback
has he passed on that he should have went after.
Besides like the revisionist history of like signing Baker Mayfield
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Right, he hasn't been in the position to go. I
mean unless he wanted to trade up and go get somebody.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
And they did but it didn't workout.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, I get it. But Anthony Richardson, oh my god,
I can't believe this. He completed less than forty eight
percent of his passes. It's never been easier to complete
a pass in the NFL ever.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I know.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I watched the Jets game and I'm like, oh, hell yeah.
And then I looked at the rest of the games
and I'm like, oh, Okay, it wasn't awesome. It was better,
believe it or not. It was better than what he
was doing in the early part of the season, but
it still was like, oh man.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
All right, Bobby, you're up next, Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Keep your talent in the building. M you let guys
like Jesse Bates and GJ. Reader walk re signed T Higgins,
extend Chrey Hendrickson, and outside of those two things, build
a defense with an image in mind. Okay, you know
we talk about the Commanders. If they didn't Drafty and Daniels,
none of their planer shit works out. But something we
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did say positively about the Commanders last offseason before we
when we didn't think they're gonna be good at all,
we thought there would be a bottom five team, is
that this defense has been built in the image of
dan Quinn. It's like a dan Quinn light defense where
you get, you know, the Cowboys backup Edges. You had
the two good defensive tackles there. You know, you get
Bobby Wagner and Frankie Luvu linebacker, bring in Jeremy Chin
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at safety, and their cornerback group was bad off Obviously
weren't able to upgrade on that. But build a defense
with an image of mind. You're not going to turn
this defense into a top ten unit this offseason, but
put together an image for it so that this offense
can make you a super Bowl contender, because a middle
of the pack defense would have made this team a
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super Bowl contender.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
My question is is how many Notre Dame defenders do
the Bengals draft now that Al Golden is defensive court Golden.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
We are Golden. I remember it Miami, so so we'll
we'll see. But yeah, build build an image, build a
defense with an image in mind.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, that's good. Do you want to do your Chargers here?
And that'll get you why your favorite team? You were
by the way, you nailed it. You nailed it. You said,
the schedule is so simple, and you love Harbaugh and
you got them to the playoffs. So good job by you.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
By one game off of my record prediction, people not you.
You guys are actually more online with me than the consensus.
It's like the one prediction I got right last year. Uh.
You have three positions called wide receiver, tight end, and
running back. To use premium resources on two of those
three spots, you know I need to fix all three.
Use premium what you could draft If you want to
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draft a running back in the first round, do it.
If you want to draft a tight end in the
first round. Do it and then obviously make a free
agency piece. Make the run game great. That's that's one
thing I was off. The run game there was not
great with Greg Roman. It was the worst Greg Roman
rushing offense. Uh, you know in his time as a
play caller. And then my other wish list is trust
Jesse Minner to find smart pieces for him and create
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a next in line for when he leaves to get
a head coaching job next year.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, their defense, I think is going to be okay
that you know, they drafted a pair of fifth round
corners that that played very well for them this year.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Boy cam Hart.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, and Tarib still was great for them as well.
He was the other fifth rounder. You know, outside of
lad McConkie. They just don't have any consistency anywhere. Quentin Johnston,
we thought maybe earlier in the year would get better
and then he went back to Nelson Aguilar's status. They
didn't have anything at the tight end. Will Disley had
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that career year for him, but he's not a weapon.
They also have to get a little bit better in
the interior of that offensive line. They've got the two
great bookend tackles, but they're gonna be in good shape. Man.
I like where the Chargers are. It was a stinker
they had at the end of the season, but they're
gonna be in good shape. Denver Broncos. So they're interesting, right.
They had eighty five million in dead cap this year.
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They're going to drop that by fifty plus million dollars.
So they're gonna be like, oh my god, it's like
their uncle, their rich uncle just died and left them
with all this dough. So what are they gonna do.
I know that Sean Payton, but the wish list here
is to curb the temptation to fill your roster with
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needs at tight end and running back right out the
because those are both deep parts of this draft. Okay,
So I would push that further down the line. It
might be sexy, and I know that Sean Payton loves
to have his toys around, right, but I would say
keep kicking ass with that defense. Watch what just happened
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Super Bowl Sunday with the Philadelphia Eagles, and they consistently
add pass rushers in the draft. Denver led the NFL
in sacks this year. Keep doing it. The one other
thing on the wish list. Extend Nick Benito. You have to.
He's heading into the fourth and final year of his
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rookie deal. Sirtanz. He's your defensive player of the year.
He just got extended before this season. He's taken care of.
Go take care of Nick Benito. He made huge, huge
plays week after week the second half of the season.
Pay him. He deserves some dough. Add another elite defender
in the first round. Let's go Broncos.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
That thinks I got two things for you. The Patricks
are tain Defensive Player of the Year. Reminded me that
the NFL putting that on the Thursday before the super
Bowl drives me nuts. That is something they Yeah, we
don't get that. You just don't talk about it because
then the super Bowl happened. So one change that if
you want to do it end of the year, do
it Pro Bowl week.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Well number one, okay, they can't do it. Do you
know why they do it the way they did because
everybody everybody's at the super Bowl, so they want to.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
But don't put less value on that. People will be
at the Pro Bowl too. Just they didn't used to
do that. You don't even neither have.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
An award show you know, I'm gonna sit you down
one day and explain to you the business of the NFL.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
But that's okay. It's that they're really running dry over
there at the NFL. My number two is, uh, this
was the most unconventional answer for the Broncos, but it's
my favorite because you think, oh, the defense was awesome best,
you know, number one ranked defense in the NFL, or
number two, like, oh, just you know that's good. Now,
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let's read No, make keep making that defense stronger and
stronger and stronger and stronger. Trust if you if you
trust bow Nick, you can add pieces obviously, you know,
add a wide receiver in the second round or whatever,
but continue to make that defense stronger and stronger and stronger.
I love that answer.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yes, I got one right on the test. It took
me the entire year, the playoffs had passed Super Bowl,
but I finally nailed one answer that Bobby Skinner like,
thank you, Well, that was.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Just an unconven like most people would be like, oh,
get bo Nick's a wide receiver one, when it's like, no,
keep making that defense great.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
All right, Pennick, You're up next, Steelers.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
This is something that I've said on the show before
I'm gonna say it again. It's not gonna be the
last time that I say it.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Fire Mike Tomlin, Like that guy in New Orleans says.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Shit, yeah, that was crazy. That guy like I went
up with. I said nice, whatever, nice, he had a
jersey or a shirt on whatever. Immediately fire Mike Tomlin.
I'm like, whoa kids, Take it easy, man. Steelers signed
Sam Donald. Now the question that you got to ask yourself.
You gotta look at yourself in the mirror. If you're
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the Pittsburgh Steeler, or really if you're any team that
wants to go out and sign Sam Donald, you have
to look at yourself in the mirror and say, you
do know that if we signed Sam Donald, you are
not going to get the same performance and the same
exact same quarterback that you got last year when he
was with the Vikings. Because it's not Kevin O'Connell who's
calling plays and is the head coach. Probably don't have
(42:28):
those tackles. And then number three, you don't have you
don't have a Sam Donald thrown to Justin Jefferson in Pittsburgh.
Those are the three things that you gotta like, honestly,
like assess, like when we're about to give this guy
forty million dollars, that's where you gotta look at yourself
in the mirror and inside. But I think the Steelers
and Arthur Smith, I think Sam Donald fits what they're
(42:50):
trying to do over their play action. Let's throw it deep.
If George Pickens is still around, which I kind of
hope that he is, hope that he gets his mind right.
You know, it fits what they're trying to accomplish over
there in Pittsburgh, Sam Donald does.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
I that's I would sign Aaron Rodgers. I would take
Aaron Rodgers and what he's going to command ten times
out of ten for the I feel like that's.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
The opposite of what we're talking about that I think
Aaron Rodgers, Like I was listening to this you know
Jets podcast. However, Rodgers didn't really run a very vertical
offense this year and didn't really utilize Garrett Wilson, and
you know, they're trying to run like fourteen plays for
eighty two yards and you know, get seven points on
the board. So I mean, you know, obviously the Steelers,
(43:34):
they do like to run the ball, and they do
like to play like the time of possession game. But
they also like, you know, so Russell Wilson with the
moonballs and how much that was an effective part does right?
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Right?
Speaker 3 (43:45):
But Sam Donald ken Ken do that has a good arm.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
I'm just not betting on Sam Darnal with a big contract.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I think, sorry, go ahead, my bad.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I just I'm not betting on Sam darn with a
big contract, and especially not with the Steelers with their personnel.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I think Sam Darland has too nice a hair to
be in Pittsburgh. I think that's my overall assessment. Like,
who is the last quarterback there that had a nice,
full head of hair that like Ben always chopped it
off us. Oh yeah, god, yeah, I guess so, huh,
(44:22):
but you saw how that worked out. Yeah, I just
don't see it right. They're the best quarterback in franchise history,
have the flow. Yeah yeah, but that was right when
he got there, when he was no good and getting
booed off.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Had pretty good hair.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah. I think he was an insurance salesman in between
his NFL quarterback gigs.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
I'm yeah, Big Ben had one of the best rookie
seasons of all time, and it would have never happened
if Tommy with Maddicks. Didn he get injured in week one?
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Yeah, but he took over in week two, like really
good in terms of winning percentage. Didn't he go fourteen
and one as a starter.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, when he plays and that was place we statistically
that was one of the best of rookie It wouldn't
compared to rookies nowadays.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
No, Yeah, but you're right, you're right, all right, Bobby.
We got the bills.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, the bills. So you're fourteen million dollars over the cap.
Get cap your cap in line without touching your young
pieces on the O line, D line, simple as that, right,
you know, don't make any sacrifices of any of those
young guys.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
And I don't.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
I don't see that happening. You know, they're big pending
free agentcy with Seul Douglas and Amari Cooper. So but
I will say, like Alan doesn't need a top ten
wide receiver, but give give, give him someone that he
can go to on third down other than Koliot here
and and stop quarterback shneeking in the playoffs, that's another one.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Okay, Yeah, I mean those are all fair.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
I mean, I mean they were one play away from
the Super Bowl. You know, they're, you know, a handful
of decisions away from the Super Bowl, and I don't
have this crazy they should do this when they're fourteen
million dollars over the cap.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah, I mean they're not going anywhere with with that
monster under center. They're fine. I mean, they're in good
shape there. Just get luckier. Supposed is that it. I Mean,
it's weird to say, but that's kind of the way
I feel. My last team is the Houston Texans, and
it's pretty simple. I've tried to stay away from the
(46:22):
quarterback talk, but this one you have to because of
the major step back it felt like CJ. Stroud had
this season, and that is to get his mentals right
and get him point in the right direction. He got
sacked fifty two times. Fifty two times, and a lot
of that pressure got right in his face, and I
don't know if he got gun shy. He you know,
(46:44):
the thing that we marveled about was the fact his
rookie year he didn't turn the ball over and he
was accurate and he was a complete opposite this season.
So they've got to fix at least one of their
guard positions. They can move off of Shack Mason, I
think pretty easily. Patterson is a backup center. Go fix
that stuff. Take the best interior alignment with your first pick.
(47:05):
I heard the center position is actually fairly deep this year.
You want to go take that somewhere down the line,
Go get a good center. Figure out. But you need
him to get back to where he was as a rookie,
and I think part of it starts with the interior
of that offensive line is just making him feel comfortable
in the pocket. Yet again, I know some people say,
because Diggs is going to move on and Tank Dell
(47:27):
is coming off another massive injury, that you'd want to
go wide receiver. Well fine, I'll find somebody in the
second or third round.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
My biggest mistle signing for the Texans is at this
point next year or no, not even this point next year.
Convince me at some point next year to stop calling
you the Houston the Houston third and long Texans, because
every you just look up every third down, third and
eight third and nine third and twelve third and this
third and that. Every time you look up at the
TV screen, they're in third down, and it's a third
(47:57):
down situation that quarterbacks don't like. So get that nickname out.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
All right, panic, your last one's the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Oh, the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Is it this simple? Is it this simple?
Speaker 2 (48:08):
I'm gonna go simple, change the running back.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Here are the Ravens wide receivers on their roster right now,
Zay Flowers for Sean Baton, Devontes Walker.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Those are the three. Agalar is an impending free agent.
Everybody else is an impending free agent on that team.
I finally want Lamar Jackson to get somewhat of a
legitimate outside wide receivers. Hey Flowers took a step up
this year. Increase the archs per reception, say Flowers, Yeah,
he has outside inside versatility. I want more of a bigger, bodied,
(48:42):
more conventional wide receiver one for Lamar Jackson. Now, he's
always been a guy that doesn't need it. He operates
like he doesn't need it. But let's just see what
happens when Lamar Jackson is throwing the ball to more
of a bona fide number one stud go out and
trade for Tyreek Hill. Now they would never do that.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Never, Yeah, I don't see that happening.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
That's my wish list.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yeah, once again, they just they just have to play
a little bit better a little I mean Mark Andrews
catch the ball, right, Yeah, all these teams that are
so good, it's like, what's their wish list.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Next to Roquan How about that? That's my wish list
for the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Okay, yeah, great, I mean, like any little thing with
teams that are this good and they have good coaching
and great organizational stability, it's just ridiculous. Which takes us
to the team that got embarrassed in Super Bowl fifty nine.
Bobby Skinner.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, I just got to increase the payouts of the refs.
No on, fix your offensive tackle spot, create an actual
good run running game that isn't just efficient whereas high
in a success rate, but you're low in yardage and
become more explosive, and I think both of those things
help you become more explosive. Get back to it. Let's
(49:57):
have some more fun, right. You know what was fun
watching e Xavier Worthy split two dbs. I know they
were backups, but you got the speed. Fix the offensive
tackle spot, create again, create an actual good run game,
and guess what, the explosives will start to happen again.
Become the fun. Kansas City chiefs offense. The old the
old me, the you know, the the old me that
(50:17):
I don't recognize anymore.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah, I think I think there's no question that they're
Their term could be maga make offense great again?
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Oh boy, that's the show.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Have another similar term I saw on on Twitter too.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Oh gosh, we're just having fun, all right. We are
back at it again early next week. You know, we're
just a few weeks away from the combine, and then
a few weeks after that it's the start of the
league year and free agency, and then after that it's
about five weeks till the draft. So it just a
lot of stuff happening. The off season is a ton
of fun, Bobby, When when do you shut it down?
(50:57):
And for the nuptials?
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Uh, next week? You won't see him in the show
for about a week and a half.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Actually, wait a second, what what? What? What? When is this?
Speaker 2 (51:08):
I'm out next week and then the wedding is on Sunday,
and then I'll be out the midweek and they'll be
back the end of that next week.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Holy smoke. So you're getting married a week from Sunday?
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yes, yes, that is that is that is in fact true.
Is just be up here or down here, excuse me,
and it's gonna be a grand old time.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Okay, all right, Well I'm not home right now, so
I won't run out to the mailbox to check for
the invitation. Could you send an e invite? Um?
Speaker 3 (51:36):
You know you did old No, you did old No,
you did old school. I got mine in the mail.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Yeah, you want to do old school when it comes
to the wedding guys.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, which was weird, Like people that live down the
street from me somehow didn't get it in the mail,
and then the people in New Jersey did get it.
I don't know what the hell is going on with
the United States Postal.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Service literally down the street from you, yes, yes, like
walking distance.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Well you're not what save the state.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
It is people that live down the street. I hand
delivered it to those people. But I'm talking about people
that like live you know, ten minutes away.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
From around town.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Still should have driven them. That's what you should have done.
You should have driven the invitation over people like to
get them in the mail. Those invitations can get heavy.
Then put old stamps that like are a penny on
there so that way makes them feel good. Mm hmm.
There you go would have saved you some money. Wedding
planner Chris Rows, all right, well in that case, congratulations
(52:29):
to you and your bride a little bit early. It's awesome.
Then you can't wait. We can't wait to have you
back here, and we're gonna find out not everything, but
we're gonna find out a lot of stuff about how
it all went down. How many people are coming to
this thing.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
One hundred people, and then we'll be live streaming it
on the Talking Giants channel. I'll be brought to you
by Captain Morgan.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Hey, it's great to have at the bar man. I
want to I want to I want to check out
that stream and that.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Is this the presenting sponsor.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
You know, you start paying for wedding and you start
thinking of like selling out, you know, but I didn't.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
Oh god, that's pretty good. This walk down the Aisle
is presented to you by Captain Morgan, the official Spice
Drum of the NFL.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
Yeah, every speech has a promo code, you know, you
know Giants twenty Giants ten promo code you know, brought
to you the best Man's speech.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
So well you could upgrade where you sit, you know,
on the on the grill or the bride side, depending
on your sea key cap.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
So let me let me let me run this by
you first. So I'm thinking, because you know, I'm going
to do like a not a speech, but like a
thank you at the end. Yeah, and I'll think now,
not everyone most actually basically no one there listens to me, right,
it's it's justin and then a handful of other people
who actually like listen to what I do. I'm thinking
of doing the joke and then welcome to talking giants
presented by and like, oh sorry, it's just my natural
(53:49):
instinct when nobody's going to get it.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think people get it.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yeah, I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
Nobody's gonna get it.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
And it's not that funny either, So it's just not
worth it.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
And just remember that part of the speech. Your speech
should be a couple of lines. We want to thank
you very much. We love having everybody here and very
special to all of us. You know the whole bit,
don't but I will give you this. You want one
word of advice about about the wedding day? Yeah, seriously, Okay,
(54:21):
don't blink your your fiance's name again.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Isabelle.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
Isabelle, you two while the party's going on.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
She just said, what when I said that, By the way, just.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Walk away for like four minutes. Go just look over everything,
just take take take a mental snap shot, Take a
mental snapshot of what is happening. You'll want to have one,
one photograph in your brain to have of the whole
festivities and everything. You'll have plenty of actual photographs, but
(54:54):
just have one in your mind that one's just for
the two of you.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
And then one day we'll take that photograph and we'll
put it in the Airbnb and somebody will steal it.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
All right.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
That's an episode.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
For producer Connor, for Justin Pennock, for the soon to
be married Bobby Skinner. I am Chris Rose. We will
see you next week, at least most of you will,
and most of us will here on Football Today, presenting
you by Captain Morgan, the official Spice Drum of the NFL.
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