Our 2025 First Base Tier List (with Jolly Olive)

Talkin' Jake, Jolly Olive, & BBD are ranking all of the first basemen in MLB on a tier list 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to Waken Jake. As we are in
tier list season and we are doing first base. This
is gonna be a breeze right first base. Put the
best hitter you got and let him catch the ball.
This will be one of the ugliest tier lists we
do this year. I am joined by Jolly Olive BBD

(00:20):
and I think you know, we normally like to get
some tiers in front of you. We have some concepts
we've discussed. First base might blow some people's minds what
we're about to stumble into because there is a pack
of Lamont Wade our guy Vinnie p that I there

(00:43):
is a middle tier of first baseman that I currently
don't know how to slice up. Jolly, what was that?
Was that a dance move?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
It's the only position I didn't get to play in
Little league. Okay, so I'm a little biased against first basemen.
They got to live dreams that I never got to live.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
First base is a nightmare.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
But it's a little messy. It's a little short guy,
But I always wanted to try. I could pick it.
If it was high, I can't get there.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, you didn't want that. I had a couple games
and that was just a bad time.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
At least you got those get it first. It's just
everyone's just looking at you.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Luckily, these guys are tall. We will find out who
the shortest player is coming up. Probably a Rise, Probably
a Rise. He's listed. He had a nice Instagram post,
him and his wife, a bunch of kids. Everyone is
looking good.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Let's spend thirty minutes on that.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Andrew Vaughan, don't say that to me. We won't start there.
Here's what we're gonna do normally. We we have the list,
and we I think we have our S tier. There's
been a couple names thrown out, but we're gonna do
this traditional tierless style. We're gonna start off S tier
ABC D, and then we're gonna separate as we go
because I'll be honest, I'm a little frazzled. The S

(01:55):
tiers kind of clear. There's a couple guys you can
negotiate up or down and may maybe we will look
at that.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
That's nice. The whole squad man you show out looks great.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Miami Rise kind of has a see through shirt going on,
like that's that's the vibe. That's what I want.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Okay, he's still a padre right, that didn't change.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
We'll see by the time this comes out.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
I don't know, kind of flexing his wife, kind of
big time half those slides. We're just her.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
We love that for her. So we're going traditional tierless
s tier ABCD, and I think we can chew off
the top jolly. I think we mutually agree that there's
four that deserve to be at the top. I think
there's one guy that could make a push for a

(02:41):
solo one, but he doesn't have quite the resume yet.
Would you like to dive in?

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, I mean the way I'm sectioning this off is
the guys that are either getting paid nine figures or
are going to get paid nine figures as first baseman. Uh.
The one who's going to paid nine figures is vladimirker
Or Junior. This is his walky year. He's coming off
a fantastic bounce back year, bounce back in the way

(03:08):
that he was always good, but that was a truly great,
elite caliber season last year. Nine ops, thirty bombs, one
of three RBIs career one thirty seven ops plus he's
going to be twenty six. He could get better, you
never know, uh, And he's gotten better defensively, and we
know how feared of a slugger he is. He will
be the ball or the bell of the ball at

(03:30):
next year's fore agency class. I think I had it
right and he belongs at the top, no doubt in
my mind.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
So I think, oddly enough Laddie with what he did
last year. If there's anyone who has a claim to
be on top top, it is Vladito. Yes, six point
two war ninety ops one sixty six ops plus. I
mean the way he finished last season, and when I

(03:58):
say finished, I mean basically the second half of the year,
finished sixth in MVP. I do think I think Gladdy
grew up a little bit. He's turning twenty six in
a couple weeks. Youth factor goes for him that there
may be more in the tank or last season just
might be the regular. He does have a career one

(04:19):
thirty seven ops plus, which is lower than I think.
It's lower than Harper. I believe it's lower than Freddy career,
and it's lower than Olsen's career. So there's definitely people
that would come on here and say Olsen should maybe
be a tiered down. I think I think the two
arguments that Bryce and Freddy are linked for life. That's

(04:41):
just how it goes. Olsen and Freddy also linked for life.
I think Matt Olsen's last year, you can make an
argument a tier down. I think it was a weird
year and the year before that, as you've noted, Jolly
fifty four homers, one hundred and thirty nine rbs and
six oh four slugging all at the NL.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
A better better than what Vladdie did last year.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Matt Olson correct put it in context, Matt Olsen has
played every game the last three seasons.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
And that matters to me.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
That's cool that, Yeah, I think I hope that the
tierless next year, as Vladimir Guerrero Junior on a tier
all by himself or maybe with another one of these
guys like Bryce Harper's still new to first base. Yeah,
how silly is that in the defense, Like he grades
out well for a first baseman, which nobody grades out

(05:28):
well for a first baseman. So that's kind of cool
to see. And yeah, Matt Olson with a hot April
could be on track for another fifty homer season. Also,
Matt Olson thirty two point eight career war.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Madd Olson's entered like an interesting conversation.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I mean, he'd have to, he'd really have to keep
it rolling until he's thirty five to.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, I'm not saying that he's going to make the
Hall of Fame, but I think his interesting conversation is
he had one quote unquote down year where he was
still a four or player, hit thirty home runs and
played every single game, Like, oh, I guess he's not
among the elite. Adilson's still really really good and he
definitely belongs up here. So I had like that slight
moment of like do we move him down? Because you

(06:10):
can see a world where it's those three and it
kind of looks right right, But Matt Olson definitely belongs
up there.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
I think they all belong. I could see any of
those players having a better year than everyone else on
the list, Vladdie with the easiest up potential, and honestly
Father Time and Freddy when does it happen? Thirty five
hasn't happened yet. Last year the numbers ticked down, But

(06:36):
when I say tick down, one hundred three oh ps plus,
like they ticked down for Freddy Freeman. He hit three
point thirty one the year before to eighty two last
year got six and a half war.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
It's Freddy Freeman, like a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Kind of feels like.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Well, world series. I'll tell you what also matters, World
series and being liked by the media. He's been MLB's
media darling for eight years now.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
I think Freddy's the first bound Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Poppy and he was a d H didn't even.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Play the field.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Eh, let's leave that s here. We'll see if we
need to circle back and separate anything I think we've done.
I think we've done good there. Do you want to
do the next tier or do we want to?

Speaker 2 (07:24):
I don't want to some of the bottom I don't
want to do any of those. I know it's a
disturbing mess. I have a couple pairings that I like,
and then after that it's kind of out the wazoo.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Tyler Soderstrom on the A's of course, please don't say
that into the microphone had some nice numbers last year.
Scaring people had some nice numbers last year. Jolly.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I have Paul Goldschmidt and Carlos Santana group together. They
got paid roughly the same money and free agency. They
serve kind of similar roles. They're club first dudes who
are a little bit on the older side, who can
still hit at you know, league average above league average.
I have them somewhere in the middle in a tier
called your dad's old glove, your dad's old glove, your

(08:07):
dad's old glove that he gave to you as like
your first really good like you had your little league
glove and now you have your first good glove to
your dad's old glove. He's been using it for years.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Man Carlos Santana turns thirty nine in April. Damn Paul
is a young thirty seven and about to have a
massive season. Uh okay, so BBD naturally put that in
the Sea tier for now. We can call it your
dad's old glove. I'll be interested to see if anyone
we think deserves to be lumped in with them. And

(08:39):
it's got a very similar contract.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Open to discussion. Because Paul goldschmianth was in our second
tier last year next to Bryce.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Harper, Well Goldie took a step back, and we're talking
about Matt Olsen and could he reach Hall of Fame
and Harper Freddy like Paul Goldschman's got that sixty two
point eight war in the bag and he had an
eight hundred ops in the second half of last year.
Does he find the porch a couple of times? The
pin stripes? The pin stripes?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
What's look at Paul Golchmith's Sprayshart, Are you getting it?
Did he go with any home runs like one opo home?
You went for a homer twice last year?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
It's PPP prep season. A lot of the nerd sites
do say he will pep with that porch? Well, he
would have. I think he would have gained like three
homers as a yank last year. We'll figure that out.
Two years removed from MVP one. Yeah, and uh hey,
maybe he needs to wipe the cardinal off of him
just a little bit. Uh tell me, who is your

(09:43):
favorite cardinal free agent signing this year? That's rude, blank
blank space.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
We are recording this February tenth, that should be noted.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
The Piaveta welcome, come on down.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, the Mets.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
No, we don't need a picture to who to Saint Louis. Okay,
he looks like a cardinal.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
What do you mean? No, he does. Let's see what
the Olds do this year as they are fighting for ground.
Paul goldschmid seven point four War, three point one War,
one point three War. So there's a nervous side of that.
Carlos Santana was kinda on that boat and last year
just said, fuck it was bad. So we respect your

(10:28):
dad's old glove. Let's see what gets filled in above them.
Let's jump to the second tier. When we go from Olsen, Harper,
Vladito and Freddy, I guess who's the first name.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
I think it's Pete, which is weird because I feel
not one hundred percent confidence saying that, but I feel
like he can't go any lower than that, right, I mean,
he's the biggest home run bat on this list.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
It's interesting because it's twenty twenty five. Yes, you get
paid in free agency for what you're about to do,
you don't get paid for what you've done that. I
think the two names that were the hot topic at
first base this offseason, Pete and Christian Walker, both have
their argument. Pete's going to get at least thirty million

(11:18):
dollars to play baseball for this upcoming season, and if
he plays well, he will cash in even more than that,
or he's got an insurance policy for next year. Christian
Walker got the contract everyone kind of expected, and it's
the whole two way. He leads every defensive first base
metric you could possibly look into while being a very consistent.

(11:41):
But I haven't looked at Christian Walker's numbers. He was
a hot topic of this free agency and then he
wasn't ops plus the last three years one twenty one
and he's won the Gold Glove all three of those years.
His war has gone down per year. He will be
turning thirty four on March twenty eighth. Is that opening day?

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, I I'm very interested to see. Arizona's a good
place to hit. That's been a good lineup. He was
very comfortable there.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
These two feel linked to they currently are. Yeah, they
just feel like, like in the same way that like
Freddy and Olson are kind of always connected. These two
feel like they're gonna be connected even though they're very
different players. Yes, like Walker's glove first and like very
consistent offensively. Pete definitely not a glove first dude, but
he has like the offensive volatility where like one year
he could put up forty six homers and people aren't

(12:35):
gonna be like surprised, you know what I.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Mean, maybe this year I'd like that, you think so
I'd like it.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
And Uncle Steve's got to get that check book out.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
I think he's good for it.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
What if he wants flatty pork dose.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
There's a DH spot in the National League.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Now Pete to third. Okay, let's party the dos. I
think those two begin this. The question is my one
other name here feels wrong? Okay, but then you look
at his page and he absolutely belongs to be next
to some of these guys.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
But maybe not.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I'm having a really tough time with Nathaniel Lowe. I
think we all are at a really tough time with them.
He's never been below the average offensively in his six
year career. Last year he was a one twenty ops plus.
He doesn't have the home run power that Pete does,
and doesn't have quite the glove that Walker does, but
he kind of feels like a hodgepodge of the two.

(13:36):
I mean, he's definitely more doubles than Homer's.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Won the Silver Slugger in twenty two, won the Gold
Glove in twenty three, and last year he had a
very Nathaniel low season, and.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
He just feels better than the guys that are going
to be below them.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Can I tell you, Okay, here's a weird sniff test. Okay,
White Texas trade him.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
I think it's so Jake Berger has more years of control,
and I guess they wanted to swap in one guy
for less money. He was more years of control. But
I do think that Nathaniel loves the better player get
a little more powerful.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
I just signed John, they signed Jock, so that's your
lefty DH replacement. It's great for the next I guess
they got Burger at a good value. So I don't know.
That's just been one that's thrown me off. And we're
talking about you know, your network is your net worth? Wow,
Christian Walker got the contract maybe plus a year than

(14:37):
what people were expecting or I don't know. In the range.
Pete was chasing AAV and blew his cover that he
wanted to be a met, but he didn't get the
full contract he was expecting.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
He will be the highest paid for his spapes in
next year.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Nathaniel Lowe was traded for Robert Garcia, and the whole
thing throws me off. It was from California. Robert Garcia
is from California.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
And Robert Garcia is good. He's got three nasty pitches.
But it felt just like a years of control type thing,
which is a good way to build your roster.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
And it was a team that was pretty desperate for bullpen.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Health right, and the Marlins were dumb enough to trade
Jake Berger who still had like tons of control. So, like,
I get it from that standpoint. And this is about
Nathaniel the player. Not really like him getting traded. It's
just a weird discussion. Like I still don't really know
why it happened.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Maybe Robert Garcia is good, he had a negative war
last year.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I don't where do you want to put him?

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Jacob, So there's Pete and Christian Walker, sure lump together
for life. I like Nathaniel Lowe. I'll tell you one
that's tormenting me, Wilson Contrara's I hate these here. I
don't know if he can play the position, but if

(15:59):
you tell me the hitter, I like, go look at
his offensive stats since and like these numbers, we'll probably
get better.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
That You'd think he doesn't have to catch. You'd think,
so does he? In the second tier of a position
that he's never played. I think I draw the line there.
I've never seen him play it. I don't know how
it's gonna.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Look well, like his bat's not that good, but it's good.
I think we're gonna get old headed out like he's tier.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
He's a name value list. It currently kind of is
name value list. So who's who?

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Nathaniel Lowe?

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Third tier is good?

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Wilson contrere is. I'm just gonna yell some names real quick,
is there? I'm gonna yell every name. How about this,
here's a fun exercise. Okay, every name that I'm currently
looking at that's frustrating me on what their value is.
Josh Naylor, he has an argument, Sure, he has an

(17:05):
argument cosas yes and no, he's got to do it
for like a year, but his stats are.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
But now he's got that full one sixty two and
it's nice.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Right, but he's got to do that for a full
one sixty two, Like would you rather? Would you rather
have a first base next year? Paul Goldschmid, Carlos Santana
or Tristan Cassas, Tristan Trists and Cossas. So that's coming up.
But I'm not even frustrated with that. I can figure
that out. Vinny p might be too close to the

(17:35):
sun there. That is what it is. We'll get there.
Rhys Hoskins mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
I'm a little lower on him.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
I am too, but also am I.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
It's the it's the leg injury, okay.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Lamont Wade Junior on.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Base God, I think he's like, I think he led
first base in an on base percentage last year. I
don't don't need second.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Wilson and Treres I already talked about that. YONDI Diaz
get rid of his slow start and he was a
baller again. I think there there's some nerd stat that
he was top eighty fifth percent tile and sweet Spot contest,
Sage and the biggest hammer.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Come on.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
And then Nathaniel low like, I don't I don't know
how to separate these.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
So I've got some ideas. Sure, I think that we
make the B tier the my brain hurts tier, and
we just throw all these guys in there because they
all have like a hitch right. Wilson has never played
the position before.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
He's never played first.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Casas doesn't have the full season. Nathaniel Lowe has just
kind of been good, not great, And I don't mean
that in a negative way. He's just been a solid,
good first baseman. But but Alonzo and Walker have had
great season.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
They can be game changers, right, game changer.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Naylor hasn't played your position right, doesn't rack up war.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
No, I mean, did he had defense? Did he get
boosted by Cleveland getting rid of some outfield seats last year?

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh? Yeah, I forgot about that. That was weird.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
His numbers landed, They're fine. The thirty one homer stand
out more than the ops plus the county. Okay, I
feel better with that.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Defensively he played with three other like great defenders are
like yeah, like I feel like otherwise bad defense where
he'd have to be scooping more like, do we talk
about he's not a great defender. I was worried there
was gonna be a much bigger conversation for Josh Naylor
to be up on this list.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
I don't think there is.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
He he slowed down in the second half last year.
I didn't realize to what degree. In the first half
last year twenty two homers and eight one six ops.
He slowed down in the second half.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
So okay with him like me and Dalton. Both the
dbacs acquired their new designated hitter, not their new first baseman,
and he's their first baseman now, so we'll see easy.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
So let's let's all right, let's put those Okay, So
who's up there. That's Wilson, that's Low, that's Cassas, and
that's Nailer and then Vinnie. Who would you rather have
next year? Goldie Santana or Vinnie Vinnie Vinnie. A part
of me, I'm thinking that row is gonna become two rows.

(20:31):
A part of me was just gonna say, like, make
that into two rows. My brain hurts, Please make my
brain hurt. Oh and that's Vinnie and Casus. Yeah, I'm
open to that. Let's make two rows there. We're gonna
need two rows.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Because they also kind of feel like they go together.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Cassas has just done more right, but he doesn't have
a full season. Cassas has done it at a higher level.
I should say not having the full season hurts.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, they both, Yeah, they're both. They're they're high in games.
Is one thirty one and one thirty two for these
two guys.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
They again, I'm an OPS plus guy nowadays. Sure, Cossas
won twenty five ann he won six one twelve career.
Who's won eighteen last year?

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Kaufman's tough.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Coffin's tough.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Fenway not tough fen Way, know it's tough.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
I might have just read the Rock stats. I was
on Josh Naylor's page. Benny, where'd you go? There's Bennie
Vinni's a career one sixteen ops plus. Yeah, this is
gonna be He's twenty seven, this is gonna be his.
I mean he's really only got one full season and
that was last year.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
That's what I'm saying. They're kind of the same class,
Like they're both young people are both really excited for
what they can do, but also nervous because they haven't.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Seen s get the full year and be a guy. Yeah,
where does Lamont Wade go? Has anyone ever seen him
play baseball? Honest question?

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Isn't he more an outfielder?

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Not so much as stop. I think he's a great
picker and not much else going on Defensively. I know
there's some nerd stuff about, like he hits velocity and
spin both very well.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
His on base was one tick lower than his slug
that's his game.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
He gets on base.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
He gets on base, that's valuable. That's extreme.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Have you seen moneyball?

Speaker 2 (22:34):
I heard playing first base is easy. That's what I heard.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
The last two years, two hundred and fifty two games,
he's gone on at a three seventy six clip proposal.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Okay, Lamont Wade does not great out well defensively at
first base and can hit. Do we agree on that?

Speaker 1 (22:52):
I think I can agree with that.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Y Diaz does not grade out well defensively and can hit.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
I think I have another guy too, Luis.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Arias does not it out well defensively and can hit.
That feels like a.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Group a couple batting title winners. There they.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Are contact over you just talk to me out of
Wade being in there?

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Now, Well.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
You totally did.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Oh all three of them lead off?

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Do they really?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:27):
I kind of love that.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, one one b hitting one and one something like that,
one hitting one, one hitting one, one hitting one. Put
that's above Goldie and Santana. Oh question Mark. The Olds
are flying down the board.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
It doesn't feel right about them below. I think it's above.
Who would you rather have?

Speaker 1 (23:53):
If I think, if we're being honest, I would rather
have Louis Arise Yandi is Lamont Wade gets interesting, but
every stat tells me I would if you could tell
me Lamont Wade Junior could get on at a three
seventy three clip in front of Aaron Judge next year,

(24:13):
I would love Lamont Wage.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
And that that question is not who would you rather
have on the Yankees? It's would you rather have on
a baseball team? Like take out defensive issues, whatever construction
of the roster, like who what what's the better player?
I think the three of them move above, And it's
it's an age conversation too, you know what I mean?
Like fall off? They could, they could fall bad.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
There's an argument that Paul Goldschmid has already already pinky old,
isn't it Yandy turns thirty four in August? That's okay, Cuban.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
I like the way we sorted that out.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Okay, Yeah, we have some things happening.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
We have a lot of tears.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Good Wilson contraras Wilson. I mean, if he can catch
the ball, he's going up.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
He caught the ball for many years of his life.
Get a whole position named after it.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
If his offensive season is repeated and he's fine at first,
I need to see the guy play first base. This
is a guy that had problems catching.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Can I just say this is the weirdest contract of
the past five years is the Wilson Contrats Cardinals contract.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Because they keep being mean to You're not our catcher
and you're the reason we're losing. Actually, you will catch, though,
and we're not going to trade anybody in the season,
and then we're gonna let everyone go and we're gonna
make you a first baseman even though you want to
be a catcher. He smells of a trade.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
There's four years left on the deal.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
But if he hits and he can catch balls at
first base.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
They need to full reset.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
I'm with you, that's how they reset.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
God, don't trade him to Seattle. And there's my Seattle
Mariner shrap real, which brings us to Luke Raley some
numbers that like him. I'm just gonna get Jonah bride
on there.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
See, this is the problem with the bottom is that
there's a lot of guys that have like one thing
going from.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Hey, let's let's clean up the bottom. I think Colt
Keith hasn't seen him play the position. I haven't seen
him play haven't seen him hit. I hope he has
a very nice career. We thought we thought you were
a Tree Sweeney last time.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
He did think you were.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
He's had a lot of appearances on this.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
We didn't mean that.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Anyone want to go to battle for Spencer Horowitz.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
You could hit a little bit. I feel bad putting
him at the bottom.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
I kind of do too.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
He's got after.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Strum, all right.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
I don't know anything about Tyler.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Watch ball. Whyika there is no time for this?

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Why did he have a one? Fourteen ops plus?

Speaker 1 (27:05):
It's pretty brief but still a lot of games. He's
like he was a real prospect.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
His first round pick.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Was Oakland a's hit. Damn, no time for this kind
of true.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Andrew vaugh Bottom kind of feels like we know who
he is at this point.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
I wish I didn't I bought some Andrew Vaughn stock.
Really I would love to get him anywhere else.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Twenty homers, seven fifty ops.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Damn really no.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Nuts yr No. In my head, he had one in
my head. It was twenty twenty one, but he was
a rookie in my head.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Twenty twenty two he was like legit good, which like
these are good numbers, but as a twenty four year old,
that's a very nice season in twenty twenty two for
Andrew vaugh I thought we were building something.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
I mean, go ahead and make an argument for Andrew Bond.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
No no, no, no, no no. The bottom of this
list Jonah Bride, Sorry, new friend, but yeah, like you
know these young guys, you can talk yourself into Spencer Horrowich, Sure,
maybe there's something in there.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
I think that might be a teer.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Michael Toglia, Like he hit, he hit twenty five last year.
He's a Spencer Steer.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah, it's Spencer. I have Shanwell and that young guys.
You want to talk about conversation like what is he? Like?

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Does Cold Keith deserve to be with the young guys?
He's had a full rookie year, slow starting good?

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, why is he?

Speaker 1 (28:50):
I thought the numbers were a lot worse. Okay, how
about the second to last tier before the olds? Yep,
put Cold Keith up there?

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, I mean, hey, real prospect. He I didn't realize
how close the league average the season got last year.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
So we're doing like a young guy's tier.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Then, yes, these are guys that we have hope for okay,
Like I'm looking at Chanel Januel.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, he's another like high draft pick. They didn't sign
a first baseman because they believe in him.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Solder shrum Hive. Yeah wrong, right now?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Another first round pick? Is this the first round picks?
Tire these guys all first round picks?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
A first round pick?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Come on?

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Cole Keith is a fifth round pick.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Andrew was the third overall.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
I have some Andrew va on SoC and I'm still
sitting on it.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Who went after Andrew?

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Trade him to a good team.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Do you know who went one and two in Indre
Von's draft, Adley Rushman and Bobby but Jr.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
I'm still a Vaughn guy, Riley Green two picks later,
j J. Bolda Carroll, I have Andrew Vaughn stock and
it's going back. But maybe this is the year. Maybe
this is the year. Like where does Michael Bush go? Man?

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Bush goes above these guys?

Speaker 1 (30:26):
I think, where do the Orioles belong with Michael? Michael
Bush had almost three war last year, full season. Here's
what we're doing, Top one hundred prospect. Here's what he
goes with Vinnie and Cassas. Yeah right, I'd like him
to make my brain hurt. Rights.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Plus, he's he's the only one with a full season
lefty right, Yeah, yeah, he does, he does. I think
he has more war than Passquatch and he's only played
one year.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
That's fine. He's still a top one hundred prospect entering
last season.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
I think I'd rather have him over Louise Orias.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
That's interesting. I mean, Louis rises a wrench in every conversation,
so I'm saying kind of doesn't play defense, has an
argument for best contact hit or we've seen I'd rather
have the guy that can also hit right. It starts
getting into your team a little bit. And Michael Bush
what if he gets better?

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Right? All three of those guys have the youth factor.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
The reason Michael Bush is a Cub is the Dodgers
just didn't have room for him.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Literally didn't have room on the roster for him to play.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Who's in on Luke Rayley? Is that? You know what
I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Is that how you normally start conversations.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yes, it was not popular at the Super Bowl. He
feels like he belongs.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
With Oh my god, is he not an outfielder?

Speaker 1 (32:05):
He had one great year last year.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Stats last year he's been good for multiple years.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
He's playing first base for the Mariners.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
That's so messed up that they would do that to us.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
By the time this is out, maybe they've signed Justin
Turner and really will return to the outfield. But he's played.
He's played a lot of first base in his life. Also,
damn it, Luke Rayley is he in my brain hurts?
It's a little bit, man, it's a little bit. I
think his savant is also pretty at times. There's actually

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a dark horse position for him. I think Luke Rayley
got some leadoff run last year.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Let's check today.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Let's check. Maybe I dreamt that the leading Okay, he
let off. He let off like eight times last year,
So I don't think three games started up there. My
brain has that in it, but I don't know how
to do anything else.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I have him in my brain hurts. He's the epitome
of my brain hurts. I didn't think about Luke Raley
at all before this tier list, and I just discovered
that he is.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Now, do you brain hurts or please make my brain hurt?
I mean, he's You'd rather have Luke Raley than Tristan Cassas.
That is a lie.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
That's a lie.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
The test came back and said that.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Was that's a lie. But that's a that's a name
value thing. Dude.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
We're getting name valued pretty hard.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
We're getting name valued because Luke Raley is objectively, right
now a better player than Tristan Cassas, which is a
crazy statement because even I don't believe.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
That Luke Raley is six four two thirty five. Okay,
like sprint guys, I was about to ask what sprint
speed you've got on He's like NIF or something. What
Grayley flies? Luke Rayley's a.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Glitch eighty eightieth percentime ninety split. The difference, everything about
him that I've learned in the past five minutes. It's
made my brain hurt.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
He's up there, He's like a lot of center fields.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
And you owe it to Mariners fans? You do? You do?
You owe it to Mars fans. You're so mean to them.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
This hurts my brain.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
You look like brain hurts.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
This is there's something beautiful about this, and there's something
horrible about this. I know I have Yankee syndrome, but
in my head, Goldie and Carlos Santana could have fine
years this season. Yondy arise, I expect to have very

(34:56):
strong seasons at what they do Wade. The expectations not there.
But he gets on base, and that's how the Oakland
Athletics almost won something. Barry Zito, Nope.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Tim Hudson, no, think you older because Scott Hadiberg got
on base, Sully.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
That reference was for my sister x Files, who's not
even on the board right now. Why don't you say
anything about Spencer Steer? Are you scared?

Speaker 2 (35:34):
I have no thoughts on him. I have him. Okay,
do you want to hear.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
My you have? Where would you have? Have you had
had him?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Your brain's fully broken thought, here's my tier at the bottom.
You're righty, at the bottom, below your dad's old glove.
I have Jake Berger, I have the two Orioles first Baseman,
I have Steer, and I have Hoskins. I have no

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idea what I'm calling this tear, but they kind of
just feel like.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
It feels kind of wrong for him to be below
the old But now I feel like we're getting rude
to Santana.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Now we're getting really rude to Santa.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
You can almost pencil Jake Berder and for thirty.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Homers you look like you're having a horrible time.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
I am, I mean, I'm maybe is it something about
like how are you hitting thirty homers? And there's part
of this that makes me just want to do it
as a thirty person tier list and just do like
a gun to my head. Who do I want at
third base next year? Or first base? Jonah Bride your

(36:45):
last And I'm sorry, dude, and I don't know you,
and you're probably a nice cat. See your first round pick?
Why do I care?

Speaker 2 (36:53):
He was?

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, twenty third round pick, Jonah Bride. Don't look at.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
His ok Here's here's what we're doing, and this is final. Okay,
here's what we're doing. We're putting Bride and Vaughan together
with the whole hodgepodge of the young guys who haven't
really proved it yet but we're like weirdly interested in.
So it's like Jose Miranda Spencer, Horowitz, Michael Tolia, Sean Well, Colt, Keith,

(37:26):
Jonah Bride, Soderstrom, Vaughan. That's a tier. All of them are.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Just a tier one line.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, one line, because that's that's what it is. That's
what it is. Any one of them could break out
and become great. But you have no idea because all
they've done is had like either brief stretches of greatness
were great two years ago, or they're just a high
draft pick. So we expect them to be great, but
he can't really say anything else about them. And if

(37:53):
we keep dwelling, our brains are gonna combust.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
I like Nolan Shanuel, you're on your own.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Kid.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
It's gonna be twenty turns twenty three on Valentine's Day.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Let can we make this tier? Let someone be mad
about this? Just let someone be mad about it. That's it.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I mean, almost every fan base should be.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Let someone be mad at this. You're mad about it,
I'm mad. Yeah, you're mad about this, and you gotta
let Andrew Vaughn go. You're hurting.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I'm gonna bring up Ree Hoskins, right y?

Speaker 2 (38:35):
I think so?

Speaker 1 (38:36):
All right? How about this? Okay, Reese Hoskins, and Jake
Berger currently deserve each other.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Okay, drinking buddies, not the name of a tier. They
just look like they would be drinking buddies. They both
work at a construction site.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Reeese one of the nicer guys in baseball. Jake Burger
has to be. Name's Jake Berger? Who else belongs with them?
Pardon me? Has all of these guys together, and it's like,

(39:17):
you can reason there's a chance at thirty homers. Are
we being too harsh on Reees for one year on
a bad leg?

Speaker 2 (39:24):
I'm worried about the leg going forward decently, worried about that.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
The numbers didn't land in an awful spot.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
No, he kind of had like it's a down year
after a leg injury. He had goldies year offensively, but
he didn't have anywhere closer to that defensively, which is
why I'm harding him the numbers. The numbers are pretty similar.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Like, okay, I'm not even gonna say that sentence because
that would just blow up the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
What's that? No, you gotta say?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Come on, could Reese have a better year than Wilson?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
I don't think so. I don't think it's baseball. Anything
can happen. Okay, Jose Miranda's on the bottom. You can't
look at him anymore. Had the most hits ever consecutively
that your cousin made Hamilton great? Yeah, how about that? Yeah,

(40:21):
it gets overlooked pretty quick. You think my job's cool.
Cousin Hammy Zach saw it this weekend. Ever, tweeted Zach,
who's not on the board currently, Spencer Steer has to
go with the pile at the bottom. The four names

(40:42):
I'm looking at, well, Spencer Steers out them. The three
names I'm looking at are Jake Berger, Rhys Hoskins and
both Orioles. But as one man.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
And I have those three and Steer as a tier
above the young guys.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
You're putting Steer above. Yes, you have some Spencer Steer style.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
I do know about.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
I kind of like that.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
I think Steer is going to get better now that
he has one position. If you look at his baseball reference,
each of the last two years, he's played six different positions.
I'll say he was good back to back twenty homer seasons.
I think he's a good player. I think he deserves
to be above the bottom tier for sure. Who would
rather have next year Spencer Steer? Paul?

Speaker 1 (41:26):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe
that's the point I don't think, Paul. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
I feel like I've made you lose love for Paul.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yes, kind isn't what I expected. No. I mean there's
there's something to being a certain level of reliable. I
think Paul and Carlos should bring for one more summer
slash one of them probably won't. We know they can
pick it, Yes, Steer, I know there is a guy

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who like hasn't been good at any position. I kind
of want to rename that one more summer question mark.
I'm okay with them because I think that's what they're
looking for, Just one more summer.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
One more summer for old times sake.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
So, babes, you've cleared the board. On that page, every
available to us is on the board.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
I have them. Yeah, but now we can.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Do some So now we have to finagle.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
That was my rationale for the BOTTB tier. Let's just
get him on there and then we'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Top tier is what it is. It's very good baseball players, Okay,
Pete and Christian Walker. Do they deserve their own tier
over Wilson, Contraras, Nathaniel Lowe, Josh Naylor, Grayley? What what

(42:53):
did we just don't land?

Speaker 2 (43:00):
He absolutely belongs up there.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
I cannot say that. I can't say that with a
clean conscious. I cannot Where do you want to put him?
I'd put him a tear down, make my brain hurt.
I mean, okay, Jolly, you want to play games.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
He's not mad.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
I've got a.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Game, Mariners. Make you mad. I understand this.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Hey, you play a lot of out of the park baseball.
You're putting together a team I do. Hey, Jolly, you
could have and money doesn't matter. Let's say your owner,
Steve Cohen, would you rather have Luisa Rise or Luke
Rayley for first base to be your first baseman in

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twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
I'm picking Luke Rayley.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Dude, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Luise Rice cannot play the position.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yandi Diaz or Luke Rayley.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yandi's a little more interesting because I think Yandi's a
little better defensively. He's got a little more popp.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
What do you do? You have Luke Rayley being prime
John Olrood at first ball?

Speaker 2 (44:07):
But I'm saying, this is a guy that played corner
of field well, so I have to imagine he plays
first base well.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
I mean, he shouldn't even be in this conversation.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yes, I thought he was gonna be in the left
fight tier.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Why you should be mad at the Mariners rated out
poorly at first base last year. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, okay,
I'll get over, Luke real, Jake, it's your show. I'm
getting over.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Let's move him down. You move him down.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
He's moved down for now.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
One being bading one. That's right.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Paid. Pete and Christian Walker be on their own tier.
I think the tops.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
I think so because they just got paid like it.
I don't see any of the well we know for
a fact controllers didn't get paid like them. He got
paid less. I don't think Nailor is going to get
paid like that, And I don't think Nathaniel lo is
gonna get paid like that.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Pete and Christian Walker can be game changers for your season.
Christian Walker plays the whole year offense and defense. You're
looking at thirty homers, five war Pete Alonso. If he
has a Pete season, he can put up a forty
five homer season. You feel that, yep. I think that
separates them from everyone else currently, So I'm okay with that,

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I think.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
And then like you can even just play the resume
game too, Like, how many great years do do Pete
and Walker have compared to the guys below them? Say
more Contrarest gets unfortunately snake bitten because he's never played
the position. If he had two years of first base,
even one year of first base, he'd go in my
second tier. But he's never played the position.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, and I guess it'll be interesting. Bryce Harper. Bryce
Harper has changed the tone. Yeah, first basily I got
to see it. First first base became the oh he
actually first base isn't easy to play, and Harper's kind
of been like I figured it out. Let's see what
Willie does. So Wilson Contreri's Nathaniel Lowe, Josh Naylor. I

(46:02):
feel okay with that.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
I think I feel okay with that too.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Costas is a tough one for me. I think he's
really good. He's never played what's his most games played.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
In a seasons?

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:17):
What was that last year's War?

Speaker 1 (46:21):
I don't know how his defense is going to rank out.
I know his foot speed is slow, and trade him.
I don't really know. They were begging the Mariners to
take him. It feels like they got Luke.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Then you're gonna say that I knew the next word.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
And Marrier's outfield is stacked. I have I don't know
what he's of respect for Luke Raley while being offended
by him.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
I have him below this tier now, who Louke Crayley?

Speaker 1 (47:01):
I think so?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
I like what contreres can be at first base. I
know what I'm getting from Nathaniel Lowe. I kind of
know what I'm getting from Naylor. Does he need to
go down for you?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
No?

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Are we overvaluing him?

Speaker 2 (47:14):
I don't think we are at all.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Well, Luke Grayley doesn't hit lefties at all.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Good exposed?

Speaker 1 (47:21):
What? Okay, how much of a gap should there be
between Josh Naylor and Jake Berger?

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Oh? Right, now, there's a massive gap between.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Currently on our tier list. There's a massive gap. Jake
Berger was real good. I drove by his childhood home.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Listen, man, I'm just I just make video essays. Okay,
So I asked me the hard hitting questions.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Naylor has a leg up on Burger.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Jake Berger's here last year is not that Good's the
league average bat and worth worth less than replacement level
at first base, and he played one hundred and thirty
seven games. I don't feel that bad about him being
that low, But I do appreciate your question about me.
I just I try to talk.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Things through in one second half. That's what helps me.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
It's a name value thing.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Man.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
It exists.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Cassas, Passquatch, Bush, and Luke Rayley, all lefties, all young,
all with a chance to be very really good.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Is gonna be thirty. I think Raley goes down. Those
three are such a tier. Really just doesn't. He doesn't fit.
He's a little bit older, he's not a first baseman.
He's in a corner outfield.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
I mean, I can't tell you he's going to be
better than Lamont Wade.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
And he's a platoon player, and maybe he should bat
lead off. That's the thing for me. Really is a
platoon player. The other three aren't. They're gonna play every day,
they're every day first baseman.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Those he's batted leadoff he has.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I think that's okay, And you hate the Mariners.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Mariners. I like that. We kind of have a letter
egoing here.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Oh yeah, kind of. It's a long last.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Leg, okay, Wilson, Nathaniel Naylor, Cassas, Vinnie and Bush.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
That feels much better.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Something I can come up with something fun there Arise Diaz,
Wade and now Luke Raley is with them.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
You want to move no.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Name value is something I'm okay with that tier.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
It hurts to have name values. I think the most
egregious here because you think of batting titles and you
think Arias has been like the gun for higher batting
title guy. But the book is out on him being
a one tool player. He's a one tool player, and
that one tool is elite, probably better than anybody else
in baseball. But he is a one tool player.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
It's true. It might be better than anyone else's tool. Right,
a nice tool that my way gets on base Luke Rayley,
what can he do?

Speaker 2 (50:16):
What can't he do?

Speaker 1 (50:18):
The Olds searching for one more summer Goldie and Sandana. Yeah,
I mean this starts. This part starts to get a
little tricky because, like I'm looking at the tier below
that Burger. It kind of depends your team's construction. If
I needed if my offense needed thirty homers, I'd I'd

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rather have Jake Burger than Goldie at this point. If
I needed a two way, seven hole hitter, I'd much
rather have Paul gold right. Santana has some similar arguments.
He crushed lefties last year. He played gold glove defense.
But yeah, I think I'm Okay with the Olds tier.
I'll tell you what if I did this before free agency,

(50:59):
I would I'd much rather have Nathaniel Low for a
lefty reliever.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Nationals made off like Bennetts and that I feel like
people won't realize that.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Just kind of forgot to do anything else this winter,
A little scared of this. That Mo the right move. Okay,
so that's Berger, Hoskins, the Oriel Orioles hybrid human which
is a great player, but his two people. If we're
gonna knock Luke Rayley's platoon splits, Spencer Steer you love.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
I like him, solid player. I always like the Reds
and Thews on me down.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
I'll tell you what that bottom row Miranda Keith, Shanuel Soderstrom.
I've become a Joonah Bride guy. The numbers are crazy.
The numbers are kind of nice. Andrew Vaughan, you know
how much of that stock I've had totally barely got mentioned.
And he hit twenty five last year with a two

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point two war.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
I met him. He's a massive human being.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Is he a bottom of the guy.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
We might have to split up the bottom round. That's
the next conversation.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
That's the problem. Pop. I don't know how you do it.
I don't know the difference.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I am perfectly comfortable leaving everyone.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I think. Unfortunately, that's the answer. I would just if
I was a Rockies fan, okay.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Which you are? Which you are? Mind you.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Totally. It has some stuff he needs to work on. Yeah,
and that's fine. So does everyone in the big strike
cats right, there are some strikeouts. Oh, batting ages low,
he's hitting homers, which, hey, we like those. But negative
war that's cool, Okay, earn your way, earn your way.

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What would you change? At this point, I just I'd
rambled up and down the Is there anything you would change?
You're a tough time I am, I am, I I'll something.
I'm happy I've landed on because at first I was
looking at this first baselist, I was like, what the fuck?
And I still obviously am to a degree. The depth

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at the position is a little impressive. Jose Miranda can
be good, Colt Keith can be good. Shanual can be
really good. So I've gone through all these names. Horwitz
had some nice numbers, and it's getting penciled in to
be like I like that. There's not a couple of

(53:38):
these positions you look at like shortstop, I feel like
Urcia and a couple of those names. It's like, it
sucks we have to even talk about there's no upside.
It's this is what you're gonna get, and that's okay.
These guys have serious upside.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
I don't think there's a bad player. Is that crazy
to say.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
There's not a player on here that if they were
on your team you couldn't talk yourself into. Yeah, I
mean it'll turn all these players have hope, which that's
that's kind of cool. I mean, Jake Berger could in
that lineup as things click.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Like get on yourummy eyes.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Reese has a okay, Jake Burger just feels let's let's
rename these s tier. You want the nine figures.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
I have it as nine figure man. Yeah, that was
just an easy separator from me.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Like chasing each other's wallets. You get paid, I get paid,
I get paid. I'm about to get paid.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
I got a new home, old home for my second tarer.
But we can think of something better.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I was thinking. I think like new money because they
both just signed a deal. Yeah, there's a uh something
about doing free agency right and doing free agency wrong.
Come on, good cop, bad cop?

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Uh good owner owner.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
That's that's first basement. I want to circle back, right,
Jolly likes the new home.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
What is it? There's something better there, there's something better.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
I'll come back to it. My brain hurts, and please
make my brain hurt. Well, let's get let's Cassus Vinnie,
Tristan Vinnie and Michael Bush Pasquentino and Cassas Lefty futures.

(55:39):
Give me one sixty two something like that.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
I think it's give me one sixty two. Give me
one sixty two because that was kind of the uniting
thing with all of them.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Yeah, I like that one be batting one. That's something.
One more summer.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I like that, this one, the second, the last. I'm
out in trouble with. I'd love thirty Homers.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
A lot of good first basemen.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
That's also good.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Yeah, some something with thirty homers.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
It's like, have they all done it? I mean, I'm
sure the Orioles combined I have done it. But Steer hasn't.
Steer's been twenty back to back.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
What I need pop to pop? Like none of those
guys are playing defense.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Right, need pop to pop like Hoskins needs pop Like
twenty five homers out of those guys is almost disappointing
except Steer. Steer's kind of the odd.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
But I like need pop to pop. I me to
Steer if he did a thirty homer season, we'd be like,
Steve might fly up. Yeah, if he can pick it,
need pop to pop. That's just a fun word sentence
to say, Pat, you're mad about this. I want to
change that. We've got a lot of youth and potential.

(57:02):
Uh potential almost like first base is stacked, Like I
don't know, potential in both directions. Like if I'm an
Angels fan, I'm not happy.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
If I'm a fan of anyone on the spots.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
They're happy with.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Bottom tier, but not in a bad way.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
No offense.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
M now that that would.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Read no offense. Your bad team should like this guy?

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeh.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I mean Twins are the only ones that can get
loud there. I think Tigers, your MEDA team should like
this guy. Likes this guy.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Mid team high upside, which that leaves.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
That Alonso Walker tier is Walker boris no right? Uh oh,
I don't know Martini sports management. Okay, Martini. I think

(58:24):
it's just like something about like a favorite son. Yeah,
I was, I just went to like the graduating class,
like they just hit free agency together and they got compared.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Like long lost brothers.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Brothers, yeah, misplaced brothers.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Two halves of an elite first baseman.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Yeah, the glove and the stick, Yeah, the glove and
the stick figure. All right, geez, let us know what
was horrible. I think if you're a baseball fan, you
just you just went for the ride with us, and
I think you understand why.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
I think this is a good list.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
I think this is a good list. I could see
if I was a fan of the bottom row, I
would be a little hot to trot the bottom two rows.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Feel like you're happy there.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
The depth of this position ended up actually making me
feel better because I got scared when we were We're
doing the second second tier of first basement and I'm
thinking about Wilson Contreras. I just I don't know, and
hopefully that comes true for Cardinals fans in baseball. Let
us know where you think we went absolutely wrong. Let
us know where we went right. Thank you to Jolly Olif,

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