February 28, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan's wife doesn't understand the NFL Combine. Dan discusses the potential deals that await Rams quarterback Matthew Stafford on the NFL market. Long-time sports marketing executive and basketball power broker Sonny Vaccaro joins the show to discuss his new book and the strained relationships within the world of basketball he's felt over the years.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Two on this Meet Friday. Come on in stay a while.
We'll talk to the man who signed Michael Jordan to
the historical, historic Nike contract. He also signed Kobe to
his first contract that was with Adidas, and he thought
he had a deal with Lebron James when Lebron was
going to sign with Adidas. And when you think about it,
(00:28):
what would have happened to Nike if Michael Jordan didn't
go there? They were a running shoe company. Imagine that
if Mike didn't go there and he went to Adidas,
and the fact that Kobe was at Adidas and Lebron
would have gone to Adidas as well, what that would
have meant for Nike, What that would have meant for Adidas,
(00:49):
what it would have meant for the global shoe market
as well. And Michael Jordan is Michael Michael Jordan the
businessman if he went to Adidas as opposed to Nike.
All right? Eight seven to seven three DP show email
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Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yes, Marvin, that's the only way to read it, or
you can read a life miss McMahon back in the
day the hockey talk man. Wheresus the Ultimate Warrior?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It's Survivors? Yeah, I like the trail off there eight
seven seven three DP Show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com
Twitter handle at DP show. Spend a lot of time
first hour talking about the greatness of Steph Curry. At
fifty six points twelve three pointers last night, he single
(02:07):
handedly out scored Orlando in the third quarter twenty two
to twenty one. And it was the subtle reminder night
from Steph Curry, who spoke about his legacy after the game.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I was just somebody that people felt inspired by when
they watched. We've created a live memories now for myself,
I know for fans who've watched the whole career, So
no matter if you've been watching since nine or beforehead
or recently, just somebody that brings.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Joy to the game.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Is inspiring to not only just play basketball, but to
find your best self and whatever you decide to do.
And we talked about just having joy and having a
smile on my face because I'm blessed.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
That's great answer. And where he was, you know, he
was a curiosity at Davidson and that's when we were
first introduced to him. That we had him on. I
don't know if it was his sophomore or junior year,
and then I thought he was going to get drafted
by Minnesota. They took two point guards, they just didn't
take the right point guard. Who is it? Ricky Rubio
(03:16):
and Johnny Flynn.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
That was a deep discussion back then.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
And I remember the GM David Kahn, I think that
was his name, and we had him on and I
remember telling him to take Steph Curry, and then we
had him on after when they didn't take Steph Curry,
and I think we continue to have him on to
remind him that he didn't have take Steph Curry, and
I think he eventually got fired, but Steph was there.
(03:44):
We just didn't know if Steph would be a role player.
I think you know, there was probably a consensus he
was going to be a role player. Oh, he would
never be able to hold up, you know, to the
physicality of the NBA. He's not going to get that
shot off against these other athletes. And you had the
ankle injury, and that's where you wondered if Golden State
really made a big mistake, and then all of a sudden,
(04:07):
we haven't talked about that ankle, feels like in a
long long time, but we continue to talk about Steph Curry.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Yes, Bowie, I went back and look, Steph Curry didn't
make an All Star team un till his fifth year
in the NBA. His fifth year, he was twenty fourteen.
Twenty fifteen, he averaged twenty four points per game. And
we had him on the show August of twenty fifteen,
before the year he scored thirty a game and won
the MVP. He said to you, you asked who's the
best offensive player in basketball? And he said me, And
(04:37):
it got a lot of blowback towards Curry, and then
he went out that year and average thirty and won
the MVP.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, because people think or thought, you know, Lebron is
the most dominating force offensive fource or Kevin Durant if
you want to put him in there. But this is
you know, Steph saying, no, I am now can you
say that he He's right? No, I mean what Lebron
is doing? Lebron. Oh, by the way, what did you
(05:04):
do last night? I mean they deep Minnesota. Did he
have thirty three and seventeen rebounds? Does that sound right, Marvin?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, something that range.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's incredible what he does every single night. Nobody, nobody,
You don't want to say nobody's going to do this,
but that the amount of mileage on his leg, on
his body, it's just I'm fascinated. I still think he's
one of the top ten players in the game and
(05:34):
he's forty.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeahes marn I suggest everybody who watches basketball or who
loves basketball, who was really into it, watch Court of
Gold on Netflix and you'll see the competitive spirit of
guys like Steph Curry, Lebron James, and Kevin Durant. These
guys are as as accomplished as anybody who's ever played,
and they were trying to jokij watch the guys from
(05:57):
France wenby Nicholas Patoum. He's serious, people like, oh, they
don't care about the game. Oh they care. They just
don't care about the All Star Game in the middle
of February during the NBA season.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
All right, so our poll question for the first hour
is you could be sho Heyo Tani, Steph Curry or
Patrick Mahomes their entire career.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Obviously, this is the results here a recency bias. Whose
career would you want past in future? Show Hao Tani
Right now he's come down to fifty percent of the
vote for fifty five. Steph has twenty nine percent, Patrick
Mahomes ticking up to about twenty two percent.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Dish. Actually, it's not recency bias.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
It's a depcency bias, since they're going along with what
you want depiecency.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
There's not a wrong answer. There isn't. Uh Lebron against
the Timberwolves had thirty three, seventeen and six assists. It's
it's mind boggling, it really is. It's every single night,
you know, Steph gives us those remind we haven't had
(07:01):
one of these reminder games in a little while, but
Golden State is playing a whole lot better since they
got Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler didn't play well last night,
but you know you've reached a whole different stratosphere when
the opposing team's fan base gives you a standing ovation.
(07:23):
Not many guys get that opportunity where the opposing team
appreciates what they saw in Orlando last night. They appreciated
what they saw. They only get to see him once
a year. They showed out to see him, and he
showed up with fifty six points. This was in from
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Diana Rassini from the Athletic Matthew Stafford is going to
meet today with the Rams at the Rams team facility
to discuss his future. You apparently reportedly have two deals
on the table. The Raiders and Giants have disc two
year contracts for Stafford that are probably ninety to one
(08:05):
hundred million guaranteed. This according to sources telling Diana Rassini,
the Rams gave Stafford's agent permission to talk to other teams,
and now you're going to be able to go back
and go, okay, are you going to match this or
are we going to come up with a trade scenario here.
I don't know what the Giants or Raiders would give
(08:28):
up for Matthew Stafford. If Jimmy Garoppolo is the answer,
I probably don't like the question. If I'm a Rams fan.
He's a good backup. But you're going to replace Matthew
Stafford with Jimmy Garoppolo with a team that is winning now,
not prepared to win now, they've already won now two
years Matthew Stafford. That gives you an opportunity, you know.
(08:55):
That's what I don't understand the timeline here that Albert Breer,
the Monday Morning Quarterback, talked about yesterday five year window
as opposed to a two year window. And I just
I've been around this a long long time and understanding
the wait till next year usually doesn't come. Just asked
the forty nine ers they were in line to win
(09:17):
a couple. They should win a couple. Now they did
go to a super Bowl, but you know the goal
is to win. The Rams won one. I see no
reason why they can't compete to win another with Matthew Stafford.
The next two years, young team defense got some skilled
position players. You got Puka Nakua, I just and you
(09:39):
got Sean mcvayh. I know it's not my money, but
if the goal is to win a super Bowl, the
next two years with Matthew Stafford certainly seemed like a
whole lot more attainable than the next three or four
years with Jimmy Garoppolo or Sam Darnold or Aaron Rodgers
or whoever you want to throw into in the mix. There,
(10:01):
Travis Kelce is coming back for another year and falling
into the same trap that we hear from athletes all
the time. I can't go out this way. Well, it
might not get any better. In fact, it might get
worse that you won't get to a super Bowl. But
Travis Kelce is coming back for one more season. Miles
Garrett doesn't want to sign a contract extension at one
(10:25):
At some point, the Browns have to go, Okay, what
can we get for Miles Garrett? What makes the most
sense for us? Do we trade down? You trade Miles Garrett?
You get picks. You know you got the second pick
on the draft. Do you trade down from that? Are
you sold on cam Ward? Are you sold on Shradoor Sanders?
(10:47):
Because if you're not, and you're sold on Travis Hunter,
or you're sold on somebody else there. If not, get
out of there. Because the Browns have been bad at drafting.
When they had all those picks, they were bad. It's
one thing to have them, it's another thing to utilize
them and make sure that those guys stick with your team.
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But Miles Garrett doesn't want to be there and won't
sign a contract extension. The combine is rolling along on
field activities all weekend, and you have teams that are
meeting with Travis Hunter. And the question is, Travis, you
want to play both ways? You want to play full
time defense, full time offense. Will teams allow him to
(11:34):
do that? Teams are bringing him in as a wide receiver,
interviewing him as a wide receiver, which I find interesting,
others as a defensive back. But here is Travis Hunter,
the Heisman Trophy winner. On playing both ways.
Speaker 8 (11:48):
I mean, nobody has done it, but I feel like
I'll put my body through a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I do a lot of treatment.
Speaker 8 (11:54):
People that get to see that part what I do
for my body to make show them one hundred percent
easy game. But I feel like they can do the
don't nobody have done it? And I know I could
do I did at college level, which the game is,
you know, we really get we rarely get breaks in
There's a lot more breaks in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, I didn't understand that. And Dion brought that up
to me at the Super Bowl, that you get more
breaks in the college game. That he they used the
expression the game is slowed down. Now, it's not the game,
you know, on the field speed, it's the actual game
that commercial breaks. I'm guessing that's what he's talking about.
(12:30):
I can't imagine he's saying that college that you know,
the sport is faster on the field. You know, college
games take four hours. But can I see him playing
sixty plays on defense and forty on offense. Maybe if
I'm drafting him, I'm using him. I'm going to use
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him the best way I can. If he's one of
the best players on my team. I don't want him
on the sidelines when he would give us some kind
of a benefit by putting him out there. And he's
not a structured wide receiver. He's just an athletic guy.
Once he understands running rounds, I mean, that's what they talk.
(13:12):
His scouts have already brought this up you know, you
got to be more structured and running your past patterns here.
He knows all of these things, but he's already a
great defensive back. I got to have him out there
full time there and then you just have to say,
be honest with me when you want to come out
of the game. But I would go all in. If
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I'm drafting him, I'm using him. Yeah, Paul, I didn't
understand the thing with breaks either. Dean brought it up
to us and Travis. The average over the past ten years,
the average NFL game is three hours and twelve minutes.
The average college football game is three hours and twenty
four minutes. The halftime in college is eight minutes longer,
so halftime rest and you get one extra commercial break
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per half in college compared to the NFL. You know, So,
what's he mean? I don't know. The NFL's quicker. I
mean they want to get it done in a three
hour ish window. A lot of college college games feel
like they go four hours.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, Marvin, do you think a lot of teams in
the Big twelve are maybe running a no huddle offense.
That's the only thing I can possibly think of, Because
you guys are right about the time. So I don't know,
Colorado didn't run a no huddle offense, but I just
met more so he was saying about taking breaks on defense.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So what pole question? We're going to stay with this
pole question seating for hour two.
Speaker 7 (14:30):
I think we're gonna let this one ride for a
little bit, mostly because I want to see if I
can get that show hey number down?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Oh okay, all right, you're lobbying. You're lobbying behind my back.
I don't want to make sure that by the end
we by the time we take it down.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Is that quite as much of a landslide as all?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Did I mention it's a meat Friday? Did I mention?
What's on the menu? We have smoke, baby back, ribs,
mac and cheese, coleslaw. Who has it better.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Than we do?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
No body? Nobody? All right? A couple of phone calls
in here, Donovan in Iowa, Hi Donovan, what's on your mind?
Speaker 9 (15:04):
Hey Dan?
Speaker 10 (15:06):
One six' two?
Speaker 9 (15:08):
Softed Hey?
Speaker 10 (15:12):
Dan, yeah your full question? HERE i gotta go With.
Curry he is so much. BETTER i, mean the devil
Name curry is haunting us for The. OLYMPICS i, mean
can't get you better than? That his whole life really
has been. GREAT i mean he's got his, dad HIS nba,
player his. BROTHERS i, mean he's just living the. Life
(15:32):
He's curry. Man so that's my, opinion all.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Right AS i, said there's no wrong answer if you, said,
hey you're gonna Be Patrick mahomes', career, okay or you're
gonna Be Steph curry or Shoeyo. TANI i mean IF i,
go would you rather have The? Porsche would you rather
have The maserati or The. Ferrari that's really what this.
Is let's See dave In. Washington, Hi, dave what's on your?
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Mind?
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keep it.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
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Speaker 2 (17:12):
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EXACTLY i need to Get Steven Wilson junior to do.
One maybe maybe we can reach out to his reps
and ask him if he could do a stat of the.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
Day yes, see we only use that for like the
downer stat of the, days like the ones that kind
of kind of make you cry.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Where you're like to try as it once his when all,
right we'll take a. Break he is, uh he's the
man who revolutionized the shoe. INDUSTRY i think he should
be in The Basketball hall Of fame as a. Contributor
and he Signed Michael jordan to that Landmark nike. Deal
(17:53):
Sonny butkaro's got a new. Book we'll talk to him
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Speaker 2 (19:05):
Rich Sonny vacaro has a. Book it's Called legends And,
souls The memoir of An American. Original it's just been
released available online wherever books are. SOLD a little background
here On. SONNY i THINK i Met sonny in nineteen eighty.
THREE i covered his basketball camp when it was In
New jersey and it was also part of A tv
(19:30):
show AT cnn With. Sonny we did a college basketball
show and he was a great resource for me over the.
Years WHENEVER i needed something set, straight or there was
a rumor about a coaching, change somebody getting hired, FIRED
i always went To, sonny And sonny would always if
he knew something then he would tell me he'd set me.
(19:52):
Straight and we've stayed in touch for whatever forty years,
now and SO i knew that story about when he
was Getting Michael. Jordan Michael jordan Was Mike jordan At
North carolina and hit the shot that won the national
title Against. Georgetown Now sonny's, Job sonny was trying to Grow.
(20:14):
Nike nike was a running shoe, company And sonny went all.
In Bob knight Saw Michael jordan and, said that guy's
going to be the greatest basketball player of all. Time
and you Had adidas And, converse who were the big
shoe companies at the. Time adidas big shoe, company And
converse had been established for quite some time prior to.
(20:36):
That But sonny realized that they had a budget and
he was, saying use the entire budget On Michael. Jordan
so he goes To Phil, knight THE ceo Of, nike,
says put all the money here on that. Guy i'm
betting on that. Guy, Well sonny's had a lot of
(20:57):
different lives in this. Business he got fired By, nike
he went To, adidas he Signed kobe to his first shoe.
Deal sonny, was you, know friends With kobe's, Dad, joe
who played In, italy and then he went TO. Uh
he was trying to Get. Lebron he thought he Had
lebron and there's a great chapter in the book where
(21:17):
their meeting In malibu and he thinks he's going to
Sign Lebron james to his first, deal And sonny Tells
lebron's mother it's going to be one hundred million dollar.
Deal it's going to be a ten, year one hundred
million dollar. Deal she starts crying like this is and
(21:38):
then they go into the. Meeting sonny thinks he has
one hundred million dollars to play with With Lebron, james
and all of a sudden realizes That adidas is giving
a certainly a lot less than that with some incentives in,
there and you, know And sonny even, said you, know
go go To. NIKE i can't help you. Here go
(22:01):
get the better. Deal and he's also the guy who
helped bring about, name image and likeness for athletes The
ed O'Bannon, case And sonny was very integral in years
trying to get that case heard against THE ncaa so
players could get. Paid it's been a, long long, career crazy.
(22:23):
Career sonny vccaro joins us on the. Program, sonny congratulations
on the. Book really well.
Speaker 11 (22:29):
Done it's been SOMETHING i wanted to do all my
life and postponed it because my life KEPT i was
doing something. Else and then After obannon that really gave
me the. Impetus how much more COULD i? Do AND
i want to say. It i'm proud of. It i'm
not afraid of, It, dan not afraid of. It all
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everything we said in, THERE i can back up with
facts not.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Fiction what's the story you say for the?
Speaker 11 (22:58):
BOOK i think the ending of my relationship With michael
is much more powerful than the, beginning because the ending
shows we just come back From europe on a ten
day you, know travel, trip you, know Publicizing, michael you
Know pam And, auer you know you saw the pictures and.
(23:18):
Everything we come. Home they asked me to do one
more thing for the signing With, michael you, know the
autographs for THE nba and all that With Mijic, johnson
THAT i go in for that, meeting and then three days,
later after all, that that last you, know month of
my life With, NIKE i get. BETRAYED i think that
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had to be. Told there was never told. Before they didn't,
know you, know they didn't know that the story was
already written for, me even WHEN i went To, europe
even WHEN i did the last most important things THAT
i could have done With.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Jordan here's Where i'm, Confused, Sonny Phil, KNIGHT ceo Of,
nike comes off really petty in the, book and it
feels Like Mychael jordan turned his back on what was,
real the real, story and you signing. Him but you
do say in the book That michael said he doesn't
have a problem with, you but he still could have
spoken up and told the. Truth how much does it
(24:14):
hurt with what feels Like Phil knight was trying to
rewrite history.
Speaker 11 (24:18):
HERE i knew what was going to happen when he
stoked his memoir in nineteen eighty, seven when he still
he's still. Living that was a long time, ago and
he stopped WHERE i got really involved With michael for
all the things you'll read in a book that, hurt
the lives that were, perpetrated you know by you, know
(24:40):
you Know michael had no reason to do this except
he had ONCE i was let. GO i, Mean michael
AND i were closer THAN i am to anyone in that.
World you know that the world would know that all
the Athletes i've been, around and Including kobe and, whatever
we we were actually together for seven years traveling the.
(25:02):
World when you read the, book you know the opening
Things michael hurt me because he didn't have to do.
It and when you read when the chapter where he almost,
left he almost, Left so it was that close THAT
i was still involved With. Michael that Hurt raveling's just
a bad human being who was my biggest you know
(25:24):
hurt in the world because it was so, personal you,
know it was personal and it turned out as life,
continued you, KNOW i am able to say WHAT i
said about, him you, know in a special chapter because
he was. Deceitful he didn't Hurt Sonny. Vako he hurt
the world that he lived in as far as dealing
(25:45):
with athletes and being honest and being portrayed in other
situations as being an honest. Person those three guys all
had a different. Hurt But michael always had this affinity
for because other than you, Know Levant, knight Olviously Levant, Raveling,
nike you, Know nike was just a part of me And.
(26:08):
Michael there were personal things in there that that you,
know that airplane ride or he played gin for ten.
HOURS i had MANY i. HAD i arranged his birthday
party In Las. VEGAS i opened up the gates for
him In Las, vegas you, know because he liked the
golf and you, know do whatever else he, did but
that was. Personal that one's still. PERSONAL i don't have
(26:31):
the same you, know feelings For michael THAT i do
For raveling And, night that's for. SURE i still you,
know he he did great. Things it's a shame that
he forgot where he.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Started, Yeah George traveling was best man at your wedding
and a friend for a long time former college, coach
and went to work For. Nike uh after you were
let go so uh and you wait till the very
end of the, book and even there's some trepidation where
we're even going to write About George raveling and your.
Relationship but let me go back To Michael. Jordan we're
(27:06):
talking To Sonny. Vicaro the book Is legends And, souls
the memoir of An american, original available wherever books are.
Sold what happens To nike If michael doesn't sign With,
Nike jame.
Speaker 11 (27:19):
Said match, OVER i honestly believe. It there's no reason
to be other than pretend That mike The nike would
have been. Successful there was nothing on the agenda that was.
Successful we were. There this was the last role of the, Dice,
Dan this was they were going all in and they
didn't know, It.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
But adidas would They what Would Mikey michael have done To.
Speaker 11 (27:42):
ADIDAS i don't think it ever would have happened the
way it. Happened he still would have Been, michael but
he's still with the other. Guys he'd have been camouflaged by.
Them he never would have gotten this. Opportunity they're signing
With nike and then us promoting, him and then we
were the only show for. Him otherwise all the things
(28:03):
From nike went right To. Jordan it wouldn't have happened
to the. Dus they had great, players and so Did
conference to defend him in some. Way they were stupid,
now but they weren't that stupid in nineteen eighty. Four
it was a business. Decision no, one Including SONNY i
just knew he was the only one to bet the
money on the other guys weren't worth it for whatever.
(28:24):
Reason you, KNOW i go into. THAT i JUST i
don't think And i'll look foolish baby to your. Audience
and this isn't the. GRIEF i, mean it's just. Fact
if you look at the, books you'll see that there
was no money. Left that's. All what the hell are
they going to? Do?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
YEAH i wonder what it would have done to the
global shoe industry as.
Speaker 11 (28:45):
Well, well that's the best QUESTION i think we're to
saw because none of the signings after that by the,
athletes you, know getting, right the Seth curry to where
we are today and all the girls now getting. That
it would have taken time because no one was betting
on one. Person there was no person that crossed over that,
(29:06):
line not the financial, line the, black the white, line
the media. Line we found a hero that was. Unbelievable
then the commercials were. PERFECT i doubt if anybody Else
Spike lee doesn't generate Towards michael the other guys like
he would have he Did Michael Jordan's all the things
(29:26):
happened like right in a, sequence like it was a
story already written and it's at so fail. Pros none of,
these none of these other companies would have done. IT i,
MEAN i don't.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Believe did you know That Nike michael was going to
get fined when he wore the black and red shoes
and he was told that he COULDN'T i KNEW i
was a marketing ploy By. Nike, no, YEAH i.
Speaker 11 (29:51):
Knew, it you, know as quickly as anyway Except Robin.
Peter they they've told me everything about, it AND i was.
Erwin you Know rob's said we'll pay the. Fines, yeah
that was that was a kick him. In he asked
thing By Rob. Strausser they, said all, right we'll pay
the dang, thing you, know the five thousand whatever it.
Was and that to him and his personality, Said we're not,
(30:14):
Stopping we're going all. In that's we did that all
in thing a few times that you didn't see the.
Movie and where you Know rob And, peter you know
where the brains behind. THIS i, WAS i was the
glue maybe.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Whatever did you have the same feeling About lebron that
you Did michael when you first saw, Him.
Speaker 11 (30:36):
No it was a whole. DIFFERENT i Saw lebron three
years earlier Than. MICHAEL i knew him as a fifteen year.
OLD i watched him WHEN i traveled To San francisco
to see him personally when he. INVITED i was in
his house as a, youngster not as a grown man
in his. Twenties So, No, Lebron lebron And kobe were totally.
(30:58):
Different and you know my. APPROACH i knew. Them kobe's
going back to his parents And lebron going back to the,
origins SO i knew these two kids were pretty. Good
and mcgrady's the only other one THAT i had a
sense of, appealing you, know because now the kids are,
seventeen eighteen and, Nineteen i've got to make a. Decision
michael was still twenty, two you. Know he was an
(31:20):
older guy and played in The National, championship so he
was a known. Commodity these kids.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Weren't we're talking To Sonny. Vacera the new Book legends And,
souls available wherever you buy your, books AND i want
people to understand. This i've known you for a long,
time over forty. Years your best accomplishment is Marrying. Pam
but after, that you Signed, michael you Signed, kobe you
nearly Signed. Lebron but then what you did With edobannon
(31:48):
and taking on THE ncaa is really your legacy and
should be your legacy because you paved the way with
the help Of ed, O'Bannon FORMER ucla great to allow
players to get. Paid you help usher in, name image and,
likeness and not without a long. Fight, man you should
be commended that you went to bat for him and
(32:09):
that Ed ed trusted, you that you would represent him
correctly so that that is a there's a lot of
time devoted in the, book and rightfully, so because that
is a landmark decision on your part and because of,
THAT i DON'T i know. You i've known you a
long long. Time you should be in The Basketball hall
Of fame as a. Contributor you should be.
Speaker 13 (32:33):
Yeah and should never did. Anything what AM i going
to tell? YOU i can't Control, OKAY i. WOULD i
would love. To i'd like to go to work on.
It i'd like to be able to just tell The
i'd like to remind people of contributions to the, game global. Impact,
coaches coaches got, paid players are now getting, paid high school,
(32:59):
kids high schoo coaches like all of. That this is
When Michael jordan should step, up And i'm being serious
and write a letter to The Basketball hall Of fame
saying that you should be in.
Speaker 11 (33:11):
THERE i appreciate what you're saying and what other people have.
Said you, know it's hard for the person you're talking
about the. Situation you're.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Humble you don't have to say, anything But i'll leave
it at. THAT i hope that there's some representation who
can help you get in good to talk to. You
congrats some on the.
Speaker 11 (33:32):
Book thank you, Sir thank you very, much And god
bless you in the. Family AND i hope we have
dinner and a Good italian dinner In New.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
York Sonny Vicaro legends And, souls the memoir of An american.
Original it's just released inovailable online wherever books are. Sold
imagine all of these coaches and players if they got
together and signed a petition what he meant for them.
(33:59):
CHANGE i, Mean michael alone wrote a letter and just
Said sonny should be in The Basketball Basketball hall Of.
Fame contributions to the. Game he changed college, basketball he Changed,
nike he changed the shoe. Business now you might, say you,
(34:20):
know it's THE cd, underworld and you know all of
That i've heard from. People, LOOK i love the. Man
i've known him for forty years and his Wife. Pam
so when you think about contributions to the, game to
the game of, basketball his name is front and. Center
(34:41):
it really.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Is all.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
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DETAILS i brought this up at the start of the
week as we were heading into the combine with Cam
ward And Shador sanders opting knock to. THROW i, said
this is a great opportunity For Jackson dart out Of
mississippi to be the. Star Peter schrager OF Nfl network
just sent out a Tweet Jackson dart aced his media
(35:46):
session as he has every interview this. Week he's got
a real chance to stand out On. Saturday. YEAH i
think he's first round, talent and in a draft like
this where it's top heavy with Cam Warden Shador. Sanders
Jackson dart might be a late first round, pick or
at least that's the feeling THAT i. Get, Yes, paul
(36:07):
possible red.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
FLAG i just watched The Jackson Dart combine interview at
his podium hat. Backwards oh my, GOSH i think that's a. Bonus,
ACTUALLY i don't. Know Matthew stafford was a hat backwards.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
GUY i, KNOW i. Know don't Let Colin cowherd see.
This colin will probably spend a segment on at back.
Backwards great hair, Though, YES i wouldn't wear a hat
by a hair like. That he's got some moss in
the back. FLOWING i like. It we have a bonus
filling the blank today that has to do With Steph.
Curry so Bonus Steph. Curry is it All Steph? Curry
(36:45):
or is it other filling the? BLANKERS a couple of
other topics just that are a little. Timely oh, OH
i can't wait for next? Week, okay all, right you?
Ready Steph curry is Blank todd ridiculous seatan Elite marvin
got what does that? Mean like the greatest shoot, ever
(37:09):
greatest of all, time gates of all. Time this week
but it's he's not the greatest of. All he's the
greatest shooter of all. Time he's the goat at. Something
so he used to go go, shot go, shot don't go.
Shot There's Steph, curry go. Shot, Uh Steph curry is,
(37:31):
Blank paul. Underrated the most entertaining sports athlete in the
last twenty years Is Blank. Todd i'm gonna Go steph recency, bias, Seating.
Speaker 14 (37:46):
Christiano, Ronaldo, Oh, Marvin Mike, Trout, oh will you, stop,
guys Stop Paul steph by a.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Mile, Yeah Travis kelcey returning to The chiefs for another,
year Is Blank todd? Understandable seatan? Cool? Marvin, Sorry paul a.
Mistake i'm gonna say. ADORABLE i. Don't it's the first
(38:21):
word that came to. Mine it's. Adorable The Cleveland browns
Should Blank todd, Rebuild seatan trade He marvin. Quit, no
they can't quit as a.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Franchise quit just.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Quit they, Did paul trade? Everything, yeah, WELL i would
Trade Miles garrett.
Speaker 14 (38:51):
All.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Right it Was august of twenty. Fourteen Steph curry was
on the. Show we talked about a variety of, things
including who is a better offensive, player You Steph curry
Or Lebron james.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
Better offensive? Player me Or. Lebron that's the first Time
i've ever been asked that. Question, Me, okay you gotta be.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Right, WELL i don't. KNOW i would assume you would
think that you're you're a pure. Shooter he can, score
you can, Too BUT i, think if you know what
the correct answer, is Probably lebron is a better. Scorer
BUT i think you're the better. Shooter so if how's, That,
(39:40):
YEAH i don't, know.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Because he, uh you, know he obviously demands a lot
of attention on the. Floor BUT i like to SAY
i can, distribute you, know get get my teammates.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Involved and what about just putting points out as? Well
what about? Points what IF i, said you go out
and score as many as you want in the, game
And lebron goes, out who scores?
Speaker 5 (39:58):
MORE i like to say myself would help me that.
Situation IF i get a double, TEAM i can hopefully
shoot from farther. Out and.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
That got a lot of reaction at the. Time now
that's before his FIRST mvp or HIS, mvp and you,
know that's almost eleven years ago that he said, that
and he's, saying, HEY i might be known as a.
Shooter i'm a. SCORER i Think lebron is the, Score
steph is the. SHOOTER i mean that that's. Obvious but
(40:32):
to DO i mean it's really really rarefied air what they,
do both of. Them lebron's still doing it at a
very high. Level and what is he four years older
Than steph and he's asked to do more all around
with his team Than steph. Is but just to Watch,
(40:55):
steph you, know that's one of those where you should
have A steph cam where you just have maybe ground,
level where you just have the camera on him all,
time because you'll realize how much energy it takes to
do what he. Does and if you have the camera on,
him you'll see how he's moving, about constantly. Moving it's
(41:16):
really easy to guard somebody when they. Stand how ABOUT
i put a camera On Steph curry and you just
get an idea of what it's like changing. Lanes you,
know he's on a highway just changing. Lanes, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
And the difference between him and the other great shooters
is he just wasn't a catch and shoot. Guy his
handle is completely. Underrated he can shoot it off the.
Dribble he can shoot it any way you want.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
It, YEAH i. Agree two hours in the, books it's
a Meat. Friday Woody, Harrelson, yes his first name Is
woody Woodrow. Hill john is coming, up his new movie coming.
Out more Of Your Phone calls is well final hour
right after this
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Two on this Meet Friday. Come on in stay a while.
We'll talk to the man who signed Michael Jordan to
the historical, historic Nike contract. He also signed Kobe to
his first contract that was with Adidas, and he thought
he had a deal with Lebron James when Lebron was
going to sign with Adidas. And when you think about it,
(00:28):
what would have happened to Nike if Michael Jordan didn't
go there? They were a running shoe company. Imagine that
if Mike didn't go there and he went to Adidas,
and the fact that Kobe was at Adidas and Lebron
would have gone to Adidas as well, what that would
have meant for Nike, What that would have meant for Adidas,
(00:49):
what it would have meant for the global shoe market
as well. And Michael Jordan is Michael Michael Jordan the
businessman if he went to Adidas as opposed to Nike.
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Speaker 3 (01:40):
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It's Survivors? Yeah, I like the trail off there eight
seven seven three DP Show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com
Twitter handle at DP show. Spend a lot of time
first hour talking about the greatness of Steph Curry. At
fifty six points twelve three pointers last night, he single
(02:07):
handedly out scored Orlando in the third quarter twenty two
to twenty one. And it was the subtle reminder night
from Steph Curry, who spoke about his legacy after the game.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I was just somebody that people felt inspired by when
they watched. We've created a live memories now for myself,
I know for fans who've watched the whole career, So
no matter if you've been watching since nine or beforehead
or recently, just somebody that brings.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Joy to the game.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Is inspiring to not only just play basketball, but to
find your best self and whatever you decide to do.
And we talked about just having joy and having a
smile on my face because I'm blessed.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
That's great answer. And where he was, you know, he
was a curiosity at Davidson and that's when we were
first introduced to him. That we had him on. I
don't know if it was his sophomore or junior year,
and then I thought he was going to get drafted
by Minnesota. They took two point guards, they just didn't
take the right point guard. Who is it? Ricky Rubio
(03:16):
and Johnny Flynn.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
That was a deep discussion back then.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
And I remember the GM David Kahn, I think that
was his name, and we had him on and I
remember telling him to take Steph Curry, and then we
had him on after when they didn't take Steph Curry,
and I think we continue to have him on to
remind him that he didn't have take Steph Curry, and
I think he eventually got fired, but Steph was there.
(03:44):
We just didn't know if Steph would be a role player.
I think you know, there was probably a consensus he
was going to be a role player. Oh, he would
never be able to hold up, you know, to the
physicality of the NBA. He's not going to get that
shot off against these other athletes. And you had the
ankle injury, and that's where you wondered if Golden State
really made a big mistake, and then all of a sudden,
(04:07):
we haven't talked about that ankle, feels like in a
long long time, but we continue to talk about Steph Curry.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Yes, Bowie, I went back and look, Steph Curry didn't
make an All Star team un till his fifth year
in the NBA. His fifth year, he was twenty fourteen.
Twenty fifteen, he averaged twenty four points per game. And
we had him on the show August of twenty fifteen,
before the year he scored thirty a game and won
the MVP. He said to you, you asked who's the
best offensive player in basketball? And he said me, And
(04:37):
it got a lot of blowback towards Curry, and then
he went out that year and average thirty and won
the MVP.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, because people think or thought, you know, Lebron is
the most dominating force offensive fource or Kevin Durant if
you want to put him in there. But this is
you know, Steph saying, no, I am now can you
say that he He's right? No, I mean what Lebron
is doing? Lebron. Oh, by the way, what did you
(05:04):
do last night? I mean they deep Minnesota. Did he
have thirty three and seventeen rebounds? Does that sound right, Marvin?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, something that range.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's incredible what he does every single night. Nobody, nobody,
You don't want to say nobody's going to do this,
but that the amount of mileage on his leg, on
his body, it's just I'm fascinated. I still think he's
one of the top ten players in the game and
(05:34):
he's forty.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeahes marn I suggest everybody who watches basketball or who
loves basketball, who was really into it, watch Court of
Gold on Netflix and you'll see the competitive spirit of
guys like Steph Curry, Lebron James, and Kevin Durant. These
guys are as as accomplished as anybody who's ever played,
and they were trying to jokij watch the guys from
(05:57):
France wenby Nicholas Patoum. He's serious, people like, oh, they
don't care about the game. Oh they care. They just
don't care about the All Star Game in the middle
of February during the NBA season.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
All right, so our poll question for the first hour
is you could be sho Heyo Tani, Steph Curry or
Patrick Mahomes their entire career.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Obviously, this is the results here a recency bias. Whose
career would you want past in future? Show Hao Tani
Right now he's come down to fifty percent of the
vote for fifty five. Steph has twenty nine percent, Patrick
Mahomes ticking up to about twenty two percent.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Dish. Actually, it's not recency bias.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
It's a depcency bias, since they're going along with what
you want depiecency.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
There's not a wrong answer. There isn't. Uh Lebron against
the Timberwolves had thirty three, seventeen and six assists. It's
it's mind boggling, it really is. It's every single night,
you know, Steph gives us those remind we haven't had
(07:01):
one of these reminder games in a little while, but
Golden State is playing a whole lot better since they
got Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler didn't play well last night,
but you know you've reached a whole different stratosphere when
the opposing team's fan base gives you a standing ovation.
(07:23):
Not many guys get that opportunity where the opposing team
appreciates what they saw in Orlando last night. They appreciated
what they saw. They only get to see him once
a year. They showed out to see him, and he
showed up with fifty six points. This was in from
(07:43):
Diana Rassini from the Athletic Matthew Stafford is going to
meet today with the Rams at the Rams team facility
to discuss his future. You apparently reportedly have two deals
on the table. The Raiders and Giants have disc two
year contracts for Stafford that are probably ninety to one
(08:05):
hundred million guaranteed. This according to sources telling Diana Rassini,
the Rams gave Stafford's agent permission to talk to other teams,
and now you're going to be able to go back
and go, okay, are you going to match this or
are we going to come up with a trade scenario here.
I don't know what the Giants or Raiders would give
(08:28):
up for Matthew Stafford. If Jimmy Garoppolo is the answer,
I probably don't like the question. If I'm a Rams fan.
He's a good backup. But you're going to replace Matthew
Stafford with Jimmy Garoppolo with a team that is winning now,
not prepared to win now, they've already won now two
years Matthew Stafford. That gives you an opportunity, you know.
(08:55):
That's what I don't understand the timeline here that Albert Breer,
the Monday Morning Quarterback, talked about yesterday five year window
as opposed to a two year window. And I just
I've been around this a long long time and understanding
the wait till next year usually doesn't come. Just asked
the forty nine ers they were in line to win
(09:17):
a couple. They should win a couple. Now they did
go to a super Bowl, but you know the goal
is to win. The Rams won one. I see no
reason why they can't compete to win another with Matthew Stafford.
The next two years, young team defense got some skilled
position players. You got Puka Nakua, I just and you
(09:39):
got Sean mcvayh. I know it's not my money, but
if the goal is to win a super Bowl, the
next two years with Matthew Stafford certainly seemed like a
whole lot more attainable than the next three or four
years with Jimmy Garoppolo or Sam Darnold or Aaron Rodgers
or whoever you want to throw into in the mix. There,
(10:01):
Travis Kelce is coming back for another year and falling
into the same trap that we hear from athletes all
the time. I can't go out this way. Well, it
might not get any better. In fact, it might get
worse that you won't get to a super Bowl. But
Travis Kelce is coming back for one more season. Miles
Garrett doesn't want to sign a contract extension at one
(10:25):
At some point, the Browns have to go, Okay, what
can we get for Miles Garrett? What makes the most
sense for us? Do we trade down? You trade Miles Garrett?
You get picks. You know you got the second pick
on the draft. Do you trade down from that? Are
you sold on cam Ward? Are you sold on Shradoor Sanders?
(10:47):
Because if you're not, and you're sold on Travis Hunter,
or you're sold on somebody else there. If not, get
out of there. Because the Browns have been bad at drafting.
When they had all those picks, they were bad. It's
one thing to have them, it's another thing to utilize
them and make sure that those guys stick with your team.
(11:12):
But Miles Garrett doesn't want to be there and won't
sign a contract extension. The combine is rolling along on
field activities all weekend, and you have teams that are
meeting with Travis Hunter. And the question is, Travis, you
want to play both ways? You want to play full
time defense, full time offense. Will teams allow him to
(11:34):
do that? Teams are bringing him in as a wide receiver,
interviewing him as a wide receiver, which I find interesting,
others as a defensive back. But here is Travis Hunter,
the Heisman Trophy winner. On playing both ways.
Speaker 8 (11:48):
I mean, nobody has done it, but I feel like
I'll put my body through a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I do a lot of treatment.
Speaker 8 (11:54):
People that get to see that part what I do
for my body to make show them one hundred percent
easy game. But I feel like they can do the
don't nobody have done it? And I know I could
do I did at college level, which the game is,
you know, we really get we rarely get breaks in
There's a lot more breaks in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, I didn't understand that. And Dion brought that up
to me at the Super Bowl, that you get more
breaks in the college game. That he they used the
expression the game is slowed down. Now, it's not the game,
you know, on the field speed, it's the actual game
that commercial breaks. I'm guessing that's what he's talking about.
(12:30):
I can't imagine he's saying that college that you know,
the sport is faster on the field. You know, college
games take four hours. But can I see him playing
sixty plays on defense and forty on offense. Maybe if
I'm drafting him, I'm using him. I'm going to use
(12:52):
him the best way I can. If he's one of
the best players on my team. I don't want him
on the sidelines when he would give us some kind
of a benefit by putting him out there. And he's
not a structured wide receiver. He's just an athletic guy.
Once he understands running rounds, I mean, that's what they talk.
(13:12):
His scouts have already brought this up you know, you
got to be more structured and running your past patterns here.
He knows all of these things, but he's already a
great defensive back. I got to have him out there
full time there and then you just have to say,
be honest with me when you want to come out
of the game. But I would go all in. If
(13:33):
I'm drafting him, I'm using him. Yeah, Paul, I didn't
understand the thing with breaks either. Dean brought it up
to us and Travis. The average over the past ten years,
the average NFL game is three hours and twelve minutes.
The average college football game is three hours and twenty
four minutes. The halftime in college is eight minutes longer,
so halftime rest and you get one extra commercial break
(13:53):
per half in college compared to the NFL. You know, So,
what's he mean? I don't know. The NFL's quicker. I
mean they want to get it done in a three
hour ish window. A lot of college college games feel
like they go four hours.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, Marvin, do you think a lot of teams in
the Big twelve are maybe running a no huddle offense.
That's the only thing I can possibly think of, Because
you guys are right about the time. So I don't know,
Colorado didn't run a no huddle offense, but I just
met more so he was saying about taking breaks on defense.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So what pole question? We're going to stay with this
pole question seating for hour two.
Speaker 7 (14:30):
I think we're gonna let this one ride for a
little bit, mostly because I want to see if I
can get that show hey number down?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Oh okay, all right, you're lobbying. You're lobbying behind my back.
I don't want to make sure that by the end
we by the time we take it down.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Is that quite as much of a landslide as all?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Did I mention it's a meat Friday? Did I mention?
What's on the menu? We have smoke, baby back, ribs,
mac and cheese, coleslaw. Who has it better.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Than we do?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
No body? Nobody? All right? A couple of phone calls
in here, Donovan in Iowa, Hi Donovan, what's on your mind?
Speaker 9 (15:04):
Hey Dan?
Speaker 10 (15:06):
One six' two?
Speaker 9 (15:08):
Softed Hey?
Speaker 10 (15:12):
Dan, yeah your full question? HERE i gotta go With.
Curry he is so much. BETTER i, mean the devil
Name curry is haunting us for The. OLYMPICS i, mean
can't get you better than? That his whole life really
has been. GREAT i mean he's got his, dad HIS nba,
player his. BROTHERS i, mean he's just living the. Life
(15:32):
He's curry. Man so that's my, opinion all.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Right AS i, said there's no wrong answer if you, said,
hey you're gonna Be Patrick mahomes', career, okay or you're
gonna Be Steph curry or Shoeyo. TANI i mean IF i,
go would you rather have The? Porsche would you rather
have The maserati or The. Ferrari that's really what this.
Is let's See dave In. Washington, Hi, dave what's on your?
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Mind?
Speaker 11 (16:00):
Good?
Speaker 9 (16:00):
Worrying six one semi hard Hard, Anyways i'm rallying behind
seat and on this whole stat of The day song.
THING i think we don't want it to be like
The Meat friday songs where everybody's sending them. In let's
keep it.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Real, no The Meat friday songs were. AWESOME i love
that what?
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Seed just to, CLARIFY i thought The Meat friday songs were. Awesome,
YEAH i thought whose stats do you?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Want was.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
Wonderful i'm a little more territorial over stat of The
day and just the what we've carved out there was
was pretty.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Great, okay that's all all, right but we might strike.
Gold yeah, MAYBE i mean who stats see that was.
Great that was a lot of. Fun, yea we might
stumble upon something great. Again tell, me tell.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
Me we Have Darius rutgers submitted a stat of the
day Song josta and Heat Redd twittle The great Hot Water.
Music they sent one. In we have great people have
sent these. In we need even more people sending them.
In but it'd be cool if there were people, who
uh can, sink.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Well Will ferrell Ron Burgundy Ron burgundy sent one in.
EXACTLY i need to Get Steven Wilson junior to do.
One maybe maybe we can reach out to his reps
and ask him if he could do a stat of the.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
Day yes, see we only use that for like the
downer stat of the, days like the ones that kind
of kind of make you cry.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Where you're like to try as it once his when all,
right we'll take a. Break he is, uh he's the
man who revolutionized the shoe. INDUSTRY i think he should
be in The Basketball hall Of fame as a. Contributor
and he Signed Michael jordan to that Landmark nike. Deal
(17:53):
Sonny butkaro's got a new. Book we'll talk to him
coming up right after This Dan patrick.
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Speaker 2 (19:05):
Rich Sonny vacaro has a. Book it's Called legends And,
souls The memoir of An American. Original it's just been
released available online wherever books are. SOLD a little background
here On. SONNY i THINK i Met sonny in nineteen eighty.
THREE i covered his basketball camp when it was In
New jersey and it was also part of A tv
(19:30):
show AT cnn With. Sonny we did a college basketball
show and he was a great resource for me over the.
Years WHENEVER i needed something set, straight or there was
a rumor about a coaching, change somebody getting hired, FIRED
i always went To, sonny And sonny would always if
he knew something then he would tell me he'd set me.
(19:52):
Straight and we've stayed in touch for whatever forty years,
now and SO i knew that story about when he
was Getting Michael. Jordan Michael jordan Was Mike jordan At
North carolina and hit the shot that won the national
title Against. Georgetown Now sonny's, Job sonny was trying to Grow.
(20:14):
Nike nike was a running shoe, company And sonny went all.
In Bob knight Saw Michael jordan and, said that guy's
going to be the greatest basketball player of all. Time
and you Had adidas And, converse who were the big
shoe companies at the. Time adidas big shoe, company And
converse had been established for quite some time prior to.
(20:36):
That But sonny realized that they had a budget and
he was, saying use the entire budget On Michael. Jordan
so he goes To Phil, knight THE ceo Of, nike,
says put all the money here on that. Guy i'm
betting on that. Guy, Well sonny's had a lot of
(20:57):
different lives in this. Business he got fired By, nike
he went To, adidas he Signed kobe to his first shoe.
Deal sonny, was you, know friends With kobe's, Dad, joe
who played In, italy and then he went TO. Uh
he was trying to Get. Lebron he thought he Had
lebron and there's a great chapter in the book where
(21:17):
their meeting In malibu and he thinks he's going to
Sign Lebron james to his first, deal And sonny Tells
lebron's mother it's going to be one hundred million dollar.
Deal it's going to be a ten, year one hundred
million dollar. Deal she starts crying like this is and
(21:38):
then they go into the. Meeting sonny thinks he has
one hundred million dollars to play with With Lebron, james
and all of a sudden realizes That adidas is giving
a certainly a lot less than that with some incentives in,
there and you, know And sonny even, said you, know
go go To. NIKE i can't help you. Here go
(22:01):
get the better. Deal and he's also the guy who
helped bring about, name image and likeness for athletes The
ed O'Bannon, case And sonny was very integral in years
trying to get that case heard against THE ncaa so
players could get. Paid it's been a, long long, career crazy.
(22:23):
Career sonny vccaro joins us on the. Program, sonny congratulations
on the. Book really well.
Speaker 11 (22:29):
Done it's been SOMETHING i wanted to do all my
life and postponed it because my life KEPT i was
doing something. Else and then After obannon that really gave
me the. Impetus how much more COULD i? Do AND
i want to say. It i'm proud of. It i'm
not afraid of, It, dan not afraid of. It all
(22:50):
everything we said in, THERE i can back up with
facts not.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Fiction what's the story you say for the?
Speaker 11 (22:58):
BOOK i think the ending of my relationship With michael
is much more powerful than the, beginning because the ending
shows we just come back From europe on a ten
day you, know travel, trip you, know Publicizing, michael you
Know pam And, auer you know you saw the pictures and.
(23:18):
Everything we come. Home they asked me to do one
more thing for the signing With, michael you, know the
autographs for THE nba and all that With Mijic, johnson
THAT i go in for that, meeting and then three days,
later after all, that that last you, know month of
my life With, NIKE i get. BETRAYED i think that
(23:39):
had to be. Told there was never told. Before they didn't,
know you, know they didn't know that the story was
already written for, me even WHEN i went To, europe
even WHEN i did the last most important things THAT
i could have done With.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Jordan here's Where i'm, Confused, Sonny Phil, KNIGHT ceo Of,
nike comes off really petty in the, book and it
feels Like Mychael jordan turned his back on what was,
real the real, story and you signing. Him but you
do say in the book That michael said he doesn't
have a problem with, you but he still could have
spoken up and told the. Truth how much does it
(24:14):
hurt with what feels Like Phil knight was trying to
rewrite history.
Speaker 11 (24:18):
HERE i knew what was going to happen when he
stoked his memoir in nineteen eighty, seven when he still
he's still. Living that was a long time, ago and
he stopped WHERE i got really involved With michael for
all the things you'll read in a book that, hurt
the lives that were, perpetrated you know by you, know
(24:40):
you Know michael had no reason to do this except
he had ONCE i was let. GO i, Mean michael
AND i were closer THAN i am to anyone in that.
World you know that the world would know that all
the Athletes i've been, around and Including kobe and, whatever
we we were actually together for seven years traveling the.
(25:02):
World when you read the, book you know the opening
Things michael hurt me because he didn't have to do.
It and when you read when the chapter where he almost,
left he almost, Left so it was that close THAT
i was still involved With. Michael that Hurt raveling's just
a bad human being who was my biggest you know
(25:24):
hurt in the world because it was so, personal you,
know it was personal and it turned out as life,
continued you, KNOW i am able to say WHAT i
said about, him you, know in a special chapter because
he was. Deceitful he didn't Hurt Sonny. Vako he hurt
the world that he lived in as far as dealing
(25:45):
with athletes and being honest and being portrayed in other
situations as being an honest. Person those three guys all
had a different. Hurt But michael always had this affinity
for because other than you, Know Levant, knight Olviously Levant, Raveling,
nike you, Know nike was just a part of me And.
(26:08):
Michael there were personal things in there that that you,
know that airplane ride or he played gin for ten.
HOURS i had MANY i. HAD i arranged his birthday
party In Las. VEGAS i opened up the gates for
him In Las, vegas you, know because he liked the
golf and you, know do whatever else he, did but
that was. Personal that one's still. PERSONAL i don't have
(26:31):
the same you, know feelings For michael THAT i do
For raveling And, night that's for. SURE i still you,
know he he did great. Things it's a shame that
he forgot where he.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Started, Yeah George traveling was best man at your wedding
and a friend for a long time former college, coach
and went to work For. Nike uh after you were
let go so uh and you wait till the very
end of the, book and even there's some trepidation where
we're even going to write About George raveling and your.
Relationship but let me go back To Michael. Jordan we're
(27:06):
talking To Sonny. Vicaro the book Is legends And, souls
the memoir of An american, original available wherever books are.
Sold what happens To nike If michael doesn't sign With,
Nike jame.
Speaker 11 (27:19):
Said match, OVER i honestly believe. It there's no reason
to be other than pretend That mike The nike would
have been. Successful there was nothing on the agenda that was.
Successful we were. There this was the last role of the, Dice,
Dan this was they were going all in and they
didn't know, It.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
But adidas would They what Would Mikey michael have done To.
Speaker 11 (27:42):
ADIDAS i don't think it ever would have happened the
way it. Happened he still would have Been, michael but
he's still with the other. Guys he'd have been camouflaged by.
Them he never would have gotten this. Opportunity they're signing
With nike and then us promoting, him and then we
were the only show for. Him otherwise all the things
(28:03):
From nike went right To. Jordan it wouldn't have happened
to the. Dus they had great, players and so Did
conference to defend him in some. Way they were stupid,
now but they weren't that stupid in nineteen eighty. Four
it was a business. Decision no, one Including SONNY i
just knew he was the only one to bet the
money on the other guys weren't worth it for whatever.
(28:24):
Reason you, KNOW i go into. THAT i JUST i
don't think And i'll look foolish baby to your. Audience
and this isn't the. GRIEF i, mean it's just. Fact
if you look at the, books you'll see that there
was no money. Left that's. All what the hell are
they going to? Do?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
YEAH i wonder what it would have done to the
global shoe industry as.
Speaker 11 (28:45):
Well, well that's the best QUESTION i think we're to
saw because none of the signings after that by the,
athletes you, know getting, right the Seth curry to where
we are today and all the girls now getting. That
it would have taken time because no one was betting
on one. Person there was no person that crossed over that,
(29:06):
line not the financial, line the, black the white, line
the media. Line we found a hero that was. Unbelievable
then the commercials were. PERFECT i doubt if anybody Else
Spike lee doesn't generate Towards michael the other guys like
he would have he Did Michael Jordan's all the things
(29:26):
happened like right in a, sequence like it was a
story already written and it's at so fail. Pros none of,
these none of these other companies would have done. IT i,
MEAN i don't.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Believe did you know That Nike michael was going to
get fined when he wore the black and red shoes
and he was told that he COULDN'T i KNEW i
was a marketing ploy By. Nike, no, YEAH i.
Speaker 11 (29:51):
Knew, it you, know as quickly as anyway Except Robin.
Peter they they've told me everything about, it AND i was.
Erwin you Know rob's said we'll pay the. Fines, yeah
that was that was a kick him. In he asked
thing By Rob. Strausser they, said all, right we'll pay
the dang, thing you, know the five thousand whatever it.
Was and that to him and his personality, Said we're not,
(30:14):
Stopping we're going all. In that's we did that all
in thing a few times that you didn't see the.
Movie and where you Know rob And, peter you know
where the brains behind. THIS i, WAS i was the
glue maybe.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Whatever did you have the same feeling About lebron that
you Did michael when you first saw, Him.
Speaker 11 (30:36):
No it was a whole. DIFFERENT i Saw lebron three
years earlier Than. MICHAEL i knew him as a fifteen year.
OLD i watched him WHEN i traveled To San francisco
to see him personally when he. INVITED i was in
his house as a, youngster not as a grown man
in his. Twenties So, No, Lebron lebron And kobe were totally.
(30:58):
Different and you know my. APPROACH i knew. Them kobe's
going back to his parents And lebron going back to the,
origins SO i knew these two kids were pretty. Good
and mcgrady's the only other one THAT i had a
sense of, appealing you, know because now the kids are,
seventeen eighteen and, Nineteen i've got to make a. Decision
michael was still twenty, two you. Know he was an
(31:20):
older guy and played in The National, championship so he
was a known. Commodity these kids.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Weren't we're talking To Sonny. Vacera the new Book legends And,
souls available wherever you buy your, books AND i want
people to understand. This i've known you for a long,
time over forty. Years your best accomplishment is Marrying. Pam
but after, that you Signed, michael you Signed, kobe you
nearly Signed. Lebron but then what you did With edobannon
(31:48):
and taking on THE ncaa is really your legacy and
should be your legacy because you paved the way with
the help Of ed, O'Bannon FORMER ucla great to allow
players to get. Paid you help usher in, name image and,
likeness and not without a long. Fight, man you should
be commended that you went to bat for him and
(32:09):
that Ed ed trusted, you that you would represent him
correctly so that that is a there's a lot of
time devoted in the, book and rightfully, so because that
is a landmark decision on your part and because of,
THAT i DON'T i know. You i've known you a
long long. Time you should be in The Basketball hall
Of fame as a. Contributor you should be.
Speaker 13 (32:33):
Yeah and should never did. Anything what AM i going
to tell? YOU i can't Control, OKAY i. WOULD i
would love. To i'd like to go to work on.
It i'd like to be able to just tell The
i'd like to remind people of contributions to the, game global. Impact,
coaches coaches got, paid players are now getting, paid high school,
(32:59):
kids high schoo coaches like all of. That this is
When Michael jordan should step, up And i'm being serious
and write a letter to The Basketball hall Of fame
saying that you should be in.
Speaker 11 (33:11):
THERE i appreciate what you're saying and what other people have.
Said you, know it's hard for the person you're talking
about the. Situation you're.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Humble you don't have to say, anything But i'll leave
it at. THAT i hope that there's some representation who
can help you get in good to talk to. You
congrats some on the.
Speaker 11 (33:32):
Book thank you, Sir thank you very, much And god
bless you in the. Family AND i hope we have
dinner and a Good italian dinner In New.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
York Sonny Vicaro legends And, souls the memoir of An american.
Original it's just released inovailable online wherever books are. Sold
imagine all of these coaches and players if they got
together and signed a petition what he meant for them.
(33:59):
CHANGE i, Mean michael alone wrote a letter and just
Said sonny should be in The Basketball Basketball hall Of.
Fame contributions to the. Game he changed college, basketball he Changed,
nike he changed the shoe. Business now you might, say you,
(34:20):
know it's THE cd, underworld and you know all of
That i've heard from. People, LOOK i love the. Man
i've known him for forty years and his Wife. Pam
so when you think about contributions to the, game to
the game of, basketball his name is front and. Center
(34:41):
it really.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Is all.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Right we'll take a. Break some phone calls coming. Up
the great Actor Woody. Harrelson his new Movie Last breath
comes out. Today he'll join us coming up in about
forty five minutes from. Now we're back after.
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(35:25):
DETAILS i brought this up at the start of the
week as we were heading into the combine with Cam
ward And Shador sanders opting knock to. THROW i, said
this is a great opportunity For Jackson dart out Of
mississippi to be the. Star Peter schrager OF Nfl network
just sent out a Tweet Jackson dart aced his media
(35:46):
session as he has every interview this. Week he's got
a real chance to stand out On. Saturday. YEAH i
think he's first round, talent and in a draft like
this where it's top heavy with Cam Warden Shador. Sanders
Jackson dart might be a late first round, pick or
at least that's the feeling THAT i. Get, Yes, paul
(36:07):
possible red.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
FLAG i just watched The Jackson Dart combine interview at
his podium hat. Backwards oh my, GOSH i think that's a. Bonus,
ACTUALLY i don't. Know Matthew stafford was a hat backwards.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
GUY i, KNOW i. Know don't Let Colin cowherd see.
This colin will probably spend a segment on at back.
Backwards great hair, Though, YES i wouldn't wear a hat
by a hair like. That he's got some moss in
the back. FLOWING i like. It we have a bonus
filling the blank today that has to do With Steph.
Curry so Bonus Steph. Curry is it All Steph? Curry
(36:45):
or is it other filling the? BLANKERS a couple of
other topics just that are a little. Timely oh, OH
i can't wait for next? Week, okay all, right you?
Ready Steph curry is Blank todd ridiculous seatan Elite marvin
got what does that? Mean like the greatest shoot, ever
(37:09):
greatest of all, time gates of all. Time this week
but it's he's not the greatest of. All he's the
greatest shooter of all. Time he's the goat at. Something
so he used to go go, shot go, shot don't go.
Shot There's Steph, curry go. Shot, Uh Steph curry is,
(37:31):
Blank paul. Underrated the most entertaining sports athlete in the
last twenty years Is Blank. Todd i'm gonna Go steph recency, bias, Seating.
Speaker 14 (37:46):
Christiano, Ronaldo, Oh, Marvin Mike, Trout, oh will you, stop,
guys Stop Paul steph by a.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Mile, Yeah Travis kelcey returning to The chiefs for another,
year Is Blank todd? Understandable seatan? Cool? Marvin, Sorry paul a.
Mistake i'm gonna say. ADORABLE i. Don't it's the first
(38:21):
word that came to. Mine it's. Adorable The Cleveland browns
Should Blank todd, Rebuild seatan trade He marvin. Quit, no
they can't quit as a.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Franchise quit just.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Quit they, Did paul trade? Everything, yeah, WELL i would
Trade Miles garrett.
Speaker 14 (38:51):
All.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Right it Was august of twenty. Fourteen Steph curry was
on the. Show we talked about a variety of, things
including who is a better offensive, player You Steph curry
Or Lebron james.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
Better offensive? Player me Or. Lebron that's the first Time
i've ever been asked that. Question, Me, okay you gotta be.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Right, WELL i don't. KNOW i would assume you would
think that you're you're a pure. Shooter he can, score
you can, Too BUT i, think if you know what
the correct answer, is Probably lebron is a better. Scorer
BUT i think you're the better. Shooter so if how's, That,
(39:40):
YEAH i don't, know.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Because he, uh you, know he obviously demands a lot
of attention on the. Floor BUT i like to SAY
i can, distribute you, know get get my teammates.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Involved and what about just putting points out as? Well
what about? Points what IF i, said you go out
and score as many as you want in the, game
And lebron goes, out who scores?
Speaker 5 (39:58):
MORE i like to say myself would help me that.
Situation IF i get a double, TEAM i can hopefully
shoot from farther. Out and.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
That got a lot of reaction at the. Time now
that's before his FIRST mvp or HIS, mvp and you,
know that's almost eleven years ago that he said, that
and he's, saying, HEY i might be known as a.
Shooter i'm a. SCORER i Think lebron is the, Score
steph is the. SHOOTER i mean that that's. Obvious but
(40:32):
to DO i mean it's really really rarefied air what they,
do both of. Them lebron's still doing it at a
very high. Level and what is he four years older
Than steph and he's asked to do more all around
with his team Than steph. Is but just to Watch,
(40:55):
steph you, know that's one of those where you should
have A steph cam where you just have maybe ground,
level where you just have the camera on him all,
time because you'll realize how much energy it takes to
do what he. Does and if you have the camera on,
him you'll see how he's moving, about constantly. Moving it's
(41:16):
really easy to guard somebody when they. Stand how ABOUT
i put a camera On Steph curry and you just
get an idea of what it's like changing. Lanes you,
know he's on a highway just changing. Lanes, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
And the difference between him and the other great shooters
is he just wasn't a catch and shoot. Guy his
handle is completely. Underrated he can shoot it off the.
Dribble he can shoot it any way you want.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
It, YEAH i. Agree two hours in the, books it's
a Meat. Friday Woody, Harrelson, yes his first name Is
woody Woodrow. Hill john is coming, up his new movie coming.
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