March 10, 2025 • 47 mins
Dan reacts to the flurry of NFL news from this past weekend. How did Myles Garrett end up back in Cleveland after requesting a trade last month? NFL Network's Judy Battista breaks down why Davante Adams' new situation in LA with the Rams is ideal for him and how Pittsburgh's latest move could set them up for a big-time QB.
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Okay lebron injures his groin, his own and the Cabs
who won fourteen in a row. The football news over
the weekend, we will explore a little deeper. Judy Bautista,
an NFL insider for NFL Network. Great appearance, last time.
She'll join us coming up here in about fifteen minutes
from now. Miles Garrett staying with Cleveland. The Raiders go
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out and get Geno Smith. Josh Allen got a contract extension,
Steelers got dk metcap DeVante Adams goes to the Rams.
This is similar to opening Christmas gifts on Christmas Eve.
That's what yesterday was. This weekend was like today is Christmas.
This is when the news is supposed to break. Noon
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Eastern is when they can kind of make this all official.
We got Christmas gifts on Christmas Eve instead of Christmas Day. Hey,
I'm not complaining. There's some big news, big news items yesterday,
the Miles Garrett staying with Cleveland, Geno Smith going to
the Raiders, and I think we're looking at all these
scenarios and you go, why we knew DK Metcalf wanted out,
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but you're going to go to Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh doesn't even
know who their quarterback is, or they might know, we
don't know yet. And we brought this up a couple
of weeks ago, Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers that possibility.
It's at least in the exploratory stage from what I'm
told that they haven't ruled it out. And then I
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saw where what's Russell Wilson going to do? What's Justin
Field's going to do? And then I saw a report
maybe Justin Fields to the Jets hasn't this young man
suffered enough they shouldn't do that to him. But you
might be the starting quarterback. It's wild. It's like Seattle.
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They said, yeah, we'll trade Geno Smith. Okay, Well, Seattle
must know what they're doing. If they just traded Geno
Smith and they've gotten rid of Tyler Lockett or they're
going to lose him and then DK Metcalf as well.
And this is a team that won ten games last
year and you're going to trade Gino too, Pete Carroll
and the Raiders. And does that preclude them from maybe
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going after Shador Sanders. Now I was told it wouldn't
that they could still see them drafting a court. Now,
are you going to draft a quarterback in the top ten?
That's a little bit different if you're going to go
out and get Geno Smith. But Tom Brady's influence has
already had an impact there. Josh Allen gets an extension,
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and if this helps them with salary cap relief, pushes
the contract down the road, you're eventually going to have
to pay him again. Do you get ahead of the market,
which you know there's some teams that do and some
teams that don't. Dallas Cowboys don't and it costs them
all the time. It's going to cost them with Michael Parsons.
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And Michael Parsons probably had a I'm going to guess
a celebration yesterday. I would have because all of a sudden,
he looks at what Miles Garrett got to stay in Cleveland,
and Michael Parsons is going to be asking for something
that begins with a four and not a three. Jamar
Chase probably had a really good day yesterday as well.
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He didn't do anything, but the Browns have said they're
going to make him the highest paid non quarterback. Why
they said this, I don't know why they have not
done this, I don't know. But it's going to cost you.
If the guy is great, then pay him. That's it. Okay,
there's a band aid and it might hurt a little bit,
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but boy down the road, I'd rather have a band
aid than need stitches. And that's what's happening with the
Cincinnati Bengals and the Dallas Cowboys. Is Jamar Chase as
much of a sure thing in the NFL and the entries? Yes,
this is exactly what you wanted out of a player
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that you drafted that high to be great. Now pay
him pay that to me on his money. And then
with Michael Parsons, pay him. Remember when TJ. Watt getting
thirty million, We're like, man, what is going on in
the NFL that it seems like the old days? It
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wasn't that long ago. And then Miles Garrett, Okay, I
know a little more about this than I'm allowed to
talk about. But Miles Garrett, you know, talking about staying
in Cleveland. Uh didn't want to stay in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
He had.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Now let's go back to when he had his statement
during the Super Bowl. As a kid dreaming of the NFL,
all I focused on was the ultimate goal of winning
a Super Bowl. And my goal fuels me today more
than ever. I've loved calling this city my home. My
desire to win and compete on the biggest stages won't
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allow me to be complacent. The goal was never to
go from Cleveland to Canton. It's always been to compete
and win a Super Bowl. With that in mind, I've
requested to be traded from the Cleveland Browns. O WHOA,
Okay this and once again I got to be careful
in what I'm going to tell you. That spent twenty
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minutes with somebody yesterday and because I was like, boy,
that was a big turnaround. Well, Cleveland wasn't fielding trade
offers or they didn't get blown away by anybody. And
I think what happened is Miles Garrett's representatives probably said, hey,
they're not going to trade you. I mean, you can't
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be the GM who signs Deshaun Watson and then trades
away Miles Garrett. Like that's not good on your resume.
I think Cleveland was pretty steadfast. They were not going
to trade him. They said they weren't going to trade him,
and we thought, well, they have to trade him. I
think what happened is it was basically, okay, what can
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we pay you so you want to stay here? And
it got to forty million dollars. I think that's really
what's happening here. Miles Garrett wanted to go someplace out
they didn't get blown away by a deal, and then
therefore he had to basically say, Okay, I'm going to stay,
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but what are you going to pay me? Because I
think he also said, hey, this isn't about being the
highest paid player in the league, which I didn't buy
even if he went to someplace else. But I think
that's what happened in Cleveland. I once again, I got
to be careful in what I'm saying, because I got
information yesterday that there's more to the story that I'm
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not allowed to tell you about. I have to wait
and let the process kind of play out here.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Yes, poone, but the common reaction is what changed for
Miles Garrett because they didn't add some star players in
the past two months to bolster that team and make
them more competitive.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
They're still the Browns, so well.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
He couldn't do anything about it, right like he I
don't think he wanted to stay there. I think that
they gave him an offer that will satisfy him, and
they were, you know, adamant, they weren't going to trade him.
I don't know if he goes yeah, you know, But
on second though, I think we can win at all.
I think we can be competitive. I think he's just
being honest that I did want to go. I can't go.
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I'm staying now, you know, make me the highest paid
non quarterback in the league. So he can say face
as well, you know, because we'll eventually move on from this,
you know. Right now, It's like, oh, yeah, great, you
said you were gonna you wanted to be with a contender,
somebody could compete for Super Bowl. Cleveland's roster hasn't really
changed that much. That's what I was told that Miles
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did want to leave, They were not going to trade him.
They were not blown away. And then I think both parties,
how do we make this work moving forward? And that's
how he ended up at forty million dollars. But Gino
Smith's situation, I like it for the Raiders because now
you have somebody who can play quarterback and you're in
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a division that is the most competitive division in football.
Now you've got to at least every Sunday know that
your quarterback gives you a chance. And maybe Geno Smith
is a B level quarterback, but that's okay. You got
Rock Bowers, you got Max Crosby, you got a chance
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in the draft to get somebody. I'm told that they're
going to get Ashton Genty. I was told that yesterday.
Now once again I can tell you things that are
you know what are we five weeks out from the draft,
a month out from the draft. Things will change. But
I'm trying to understand the philosophy of I don't know
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what Seattle's doing because that's a clearance sale and are
you going to go get Sam Darnald So you get
a younger quarterback, doesn't mean he's a better quarterback. In fact,
I would probably still I would take Geno Smith over
Sam Donald, especially the way Seattle plays. You know, it's
a ball control, grinded out, makes you know a couple
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of plays, and Gino has played well, But the Raiders
got a quarterback that they can count on and they
haven't had that for a little while. As for Seattle,
I'm not sure if is this a rebuild or reload.
That front office has always been great. They find talent
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and that's a division you can win. That's what surprised me.
They could have just stayed with what they had there.
Now DK Metcalf, I've said before he should be a
whole lot better. Every time I see him, I see
des Bryant without the resume, and maybe this helps him.
But I can't imagine George Pickens and DK Metcalf being
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happy with, Hey, you got four targets today. How about
our running game? Like now, if you get Aaron Rodgers, okay,
then I could see where that would be a little
more interesting. I think the Rams had an unbelievable because
you're going to get Cooper Cup's salary off the books
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and you bring in Davante Adams, And I always want
to know how far out do you think the Rams go?
You know, we're going to get rid of Cooper Cup.
Who can we get Now you start going, okay, what
are the Jets going to do with Davante? But that's
when you make a phone call. These things don't happen
in the span of you know, six hours, twelve hours.
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I know there's the legal tampering, which I still find
amazing that it's like jumbo shrimp. Wait, doesn't make sense,
legal tampering. Why do we even call it legal tampering?
But Davante Adams going there, Matthew Stafford's got to be thrilled. Soy,
you got Davante Adams and pukin Nakua, you got a
good running game, you got our young defense. You know,
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you get Matthew Stafford back. They the Rams are in
great shape, great shape, But there's teams that didn't do anything.
What are the Giants doing? What are the giants doing?
Are you going all in to get Cam Warre because
is Justin Fields gonna be Plan B?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Or is Justin Fields going to the Jet? What are
the Jets doing?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
So?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Is Russell Wilson involved in this? And the Steelers? I'm
guessing you got like you have two quarterbacks, but you
don't feel like you have one quarterback You've got you
just traded for g Like, if i'm dk Metcal, the
first thing I say is, well, who's going to be quarterback? Hey,
I'm glad you're gonna give me one hundred and fifty
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million dollars, But who's going to be the quarterback here?
That's the big question there. And can Aaron Rodgers fit
in with the Steelers if that would happen? Kind of wild,
kind of wild, yes, Don.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
And you're still hearing that buzz even up in TI
this weekend. Giants vikings for Aaron Rodgers, it's all over
the place right now with him.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah. I thought that the vikings basically said that JJ
McCarthy will be our starting quarterback, and then I saw
a where well, he's coming back from a devastating injury.
He might not be ready to go. And that's why
you reach out to Aaron Rodgers. I'm not quite sure.
But if I'm JJ McCarthy, I probably think I'm going
to be the starter. But if you're Aaron Rodgers, in
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his mind, he's still a starter. May not be reality,
but it may be. Hey, you want to be the
starting quarterback for the Giants for one year thirty million
dollars or take your chances elsewhere? Yeah, pull.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
It's almost like the Vikings were too competitive last year
to start developing a quarterback. They were surprisingly competitive because
of Donald. They may move on from Darnald, but now
they have to replace him with a guy who can help.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Them win the division. Now it's a weird place to be.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
If they were under five hundred last year, they finished
under five hundred, move on to JJ McCarthy, Colmley.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
But it's like they're weirdly competitive.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Yeah, yes, Ton, and social media's been having fun with
the far of comparison. You play for the Packers or
go to the Jets and the Vikings.
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Oh boy, you say you can't do it, but he
can do it. Yeah, he didn't care.
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Speaker 9 (15:33):
All right, Dan our one poll? Who had the best weekend?
Excluding Josh Allen okay, Gina Smith, Miles Garrett, DK metcalf A,
DeVante Adams okay?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, I would say Miles Garrett because of what he's
getting paid, but he still has to get paid playing
for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Yes, Paul DeVante Adams at this juncture, his career goes
to a competitive team, big market and a drop back
timing quarterback that's perfect for him.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Judy Batista, senior national columnist, co host of The Insiders
on NFL Network. Let me start there, Judy, who had
the best weekend?
Speaker 10 (16:12):
I would say Devonte Adams as well. He got I
think more than many people thought he was going to get.
He's with a team very much on the rise. I
mean they are way ahead of schedule. He gets to
stay in California, where he's from. I think he had
the best weekend because, as you put it perfectly, Miles
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Garrett just for the cash alone, but he's staying with
a team that we now know he didn't want to
be with just a few days ago.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Why didn't Cleveland get an offer that could at least
have them budge off this stance of we're not going
to trade Miles Scarett.
Speaker 10 (16:47):
I don't think they ever even entertained the idea of
trading Miles Garrett Listen. So much has gone wrong for
that team. Obviously. The Deshaun Watson deal was just a
ca astrophe that you can't trade your best player. I mean,
he's not just their best player, this is a Hall
of Fame caliber player. He's arguably the best defensive player
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in the league every year. You just can't trade that guy.
And if you're going to give your fans anything to
hang on to, you can't trade that guy. So unless
they were somebody came to them with, you know, we'll
give you four number ones, which I don't think anybody
was doing. Like, they just couldn't entertain anything. And if
we take them at their word, and I think we can,
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because they were saying the same things to teams that
they were saying to reporters, they were never trading him.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Is it irresponsible though of them that yes, this guy
is going you know Cleveland to Canton, but maybe there's
a stop in between with Detroit or Washington or whoever.
Maybe somebody overpays to make you a bet. If I'm
Cleveland Browns fan, it's nice that I'm going to see
him in uniform, But are we any better by having
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him in uniform instead of trying to get something else
to kind of restart this franchise.
Speaker 10 (18:08):
I saw a lot of that online yesterday when the
deal happened, a lot of fans saying like, shouldn't we
have gotten the fall of draft picks. Draft picks are gambles, right,
you don't know how they're going to pan out. You
do know what this guy is going to do, right,
He's going to sack the quarterback fifteen times a season.
At least he is going to give you a chance
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to win. I think part of what kept him in Cleveland,
aside from the obvious the pile of money, is they
sold to him on the idea that they have a
plan to be back. Right, they were in the playoffs
only a couple of years ago, Like, we're not you know,
the roster is not completely barren. This is what we're
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going to do at quarterback, And I think as those
things come to light, maybe the decision will make a
little bit more sense. I think he read the tea leaves,
and his representatives read the tea leaves that they were
never going to trade him. I mean, Jimmy Haslam wouldn't
even meet with him, and basically said, like, you know,
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go deal with Andrew Berry. Don't try to come appealing
to me for a trade. Go go talk to Andrew Berry. Uh.
And I think they, you know, they came to the
conclusion like, you're not getting traded unless you are willing
to hold out and sacrifice, you know, a year's worth
of salary, because that's the only alternative. You need to
come to grips with the fact that you're not getting traded,
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So make the best deal you can and try to
figure out how you can be happy here.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
What are the Seahawks doing, That's a good question.
Speaker 10 (19:44):
It's hard. It's hard to really question John Schneider because
he's very, very good, you know, but certainly this is
a reset, at the very least, moving Gino Smith. You know,
I always got the impression that maybe John Schneider, he
was always less committal about Geno Smith, then maybe the
coaches were Mike McDonald was at the combine only you
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know what was that two weeks ago saying like, we
love Geno Smith, He's definitely our quarterback. But I always
thought John Schneider was a little bit more reserved, and
it's I think it's a good move for Gino Smith.
I think it's a fairly decent move for the Seahawks,
presuming that they already know who their next quarterback is
going to be. And it's hard for me to imagine
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that a GM as good as John Schneider with Trader
starting quarterback without having a very very strong idea of
who the next guy is. So I assume that that
domino will fall as soon as the window opens today.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
For Negotia, Yeah, I rarely question what the front office
does in Seattle. They're they're very buttoned up, they're very smart. Yes,
you know, if you're getting Sam donold. Look, Gino is
an older, a little above average quarterback. It gives you
a little more stability with the rate is competing in
the AFC West, but the NFC West is winnable. You
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won ten games, you know, you went toe to toe
with the Rams. The Niners are going to come back
a little bit. But that's what was surprising is you
let your receivers go and it just felt like a
tag sale. And I don't know, you know what that
big grand plant? Is Sam Donald going to be the answer?
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They're that sure that Sam Donald is their guy?
Speaker 10 (21:28):
Right? I think they also want a running game, like
I think they just want to retool. Right, this is
now a second year head coach who is now going
to instead of working with what was in place, is
going to start putting what he wants in place, right,
the kind of system he wants. I generally agree with
the idea that there's it's a much greater chance that
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you're going to get worse at quarterback. Look, you already
know what Gino Smith is. Are you very very sure
that Sam Donald is going to repeat the kind of
success with your program that he had in an almost
perfect situation with the Vikings right where he had just
all world weapons, great coaching, he was protected. Well, so
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you got to be really sure that that's going to translate.
We'll see. But again I hesitate to question John Schneider
because they usually make the right motes at Seattle.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Who's going to be the quarterback of the Giants?
Speaker 10 (22:25):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the answer. For
a while, I thought all the pieces were lining up
that it was going to be Aaron Rodgers. I'm still
very curious to see what Aaron Rodgers market would be.
The fact that you know, nothing has been completed with
Aaron Rodgers makes you pause, and you know, as we
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know from Rogers in the past, like he's he's deliberate, right,
He's going to think about his options and explore his options,
and he's not going to be hasty. He certainly doesn't
want to make a bad decision here. But you know,
if if that falls through, what's the fallback plan for
the Giants? You know, I don't know, you know, would
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they be in on Sam Donald? That's a different kind
of thing, you know, Russell Wilson, that's a different kind
of thing. I mean, you know, when the Aaron Rodgers
thing started first bubbling up about the Giants connected to
the Giants, I think a lot of Giants fans I
live in New York, a lot of Giants fans walking
for this is great, no way, come on. But when
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you slow down and think about it, like there are
not a ton of great options like for that kind
of job, right now, like the veteran guy who's just
the bridge guy. We're not talking about a veteran guy
like Sam Donald that you're going to have for the
next ten years. We're talking about a bridge to the
next guy that presumably they're going to try to draft
this year. It's just there's not that many of them,
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and Aaron Rodgers is the best of the bunch, right.
I mean, you would rather have Aaron Rodgers than Russell
Wilson at this point, or Jamus way Stint or you know,
Jimmy Garoppolo, like you know who else is out there.
So we'll see. I am curious to see what the
rest of the market would look like for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Judy Batista joining us on loan from NFL Network, co
host of The Insiders. What are the Steelers doing?
Speaker 10 (24:17):
The Steelers are loading up. I think the way last
season ended for the Steelers, where it was just clear
they didn't have enough firepower, enough offensive firepower to stay
with the top teams in the AFC that you know
that the offense really said at the end. I think
they are going to fix that. Don't forget they spent
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all of last year trying to get a big time
wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Right.
Speaker 10 (24:41):
They were in on Brandon Ayuk, they were in on
Defante Adams, they got Mike Williams. That didn't you know, okay, whatever,
So this was like the long quest for a receiver
finally finally coming to an end and they get DK Metcalf.
To me, the interesting thing is are they keeping George
Pickens too, because then you have pick and and DK Metcalf,
which is pretty appealing for a quarterback, whoever the quarterback is.
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To me, it's amazing that they made the deal for
the star wide receiver without having any quarterback under contract.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I know, sort of the reverse, but it's.
Speaker 10 (25:13):
Quite a good selling point if you have to sell
yourself on a quarterback. I mean, for instance, if I
am a veteran quarterback with options and the Steelers are
interested in maybe that's a pretty I mean, I know
the weather is tough and it's an extremely difficult division,
but those are some pretty good weapons you'd be throwing
it through.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
We tend to talk about this. It feels like on
a yearly basis, there's certain teams that are proactive. They're
going to extend their star players. They get ahead of
the curve the financial curve. Here we are with Dallas
and Michael Parsons, and here we are with Jamar Chase.
The Bengals could have signed Jamar Chase a while ago,
it feels like and Dallas could have done the same thing.
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I mean, you'd be saved. It's only going up. The
longer you wait, the more it's going to cost you.
So I'm just trying to understand the financial responsibility sensibility
with both of these programs. These franchises of they're great,
pay them, don't wait to pay them.
Speaker 10 (26:11):
I don't know, I don't know why they wait, but
I mean this last weekend we've seen the stark like
what happens when you wait? They they waited, and now
they are Both teams are going to have to pay many,
many millions of dollars more, Which is great for the players,
Michael Carson, good for Jamar Chase. They deserve they've earned it,
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go get it. But if you're the team that's trying
to move around the dollars, I mean, you have really
put yourself in a terrible spot. The Bangals did it
to them twice. First of all, they should have done
Jamar Chase last year. They were close. I believe they
got hung up on guaranteed money, which now you're like, ah,
I mean the market jumped so significantly, right. The Max
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Crosby deal made him the highest paid non quarterback, you know,
by a little bit. Now the Miles Garrett makes them
by a lot. And the Bengals have said publicly that
they're going to make Jamar Chase the highest paid non quarterbacks,
so I mean they've got no wiggle room, and now
that's going to be much more expensive. Same thing for
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Trey Hendrickson if they have any thoughts of being able
to keep him. Well, the market for pass rushers just
took that big leap too with Miles Garrett, so that's
double trouble for them. And then of course the Michael
Carson's thing, which is, again, why why do these teams wait?
I don't know, but they're going to pay much much
more than they would have if they had just been
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proactive and gotten it done early. You always, if you're
the team, you want to be the first, right if
you're the player, you want to be the last, because
you want to top the market. From the team point.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Of view, this was not good and I like what
Buffalo did. They were proactive. This kind of came out
of nowhere with Josh Allen getting a new deal. But
it gives them flexibility, yes, right.
Speaker 10 (27:58):
And you don't have to you don't have to say
about this and there's no The other thing about waiting
is it creates tension with the player, right, like, which
you should not want to do. If again, the Bengals
know they're keeping Jamar Chase right, he is a superstar,
he's your guy, He's Joe Burrows guy. You can't let
him out of the building. Why would you ever want
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to create tens with a player like that. So in
the case of Buffalo, I mean, obviously Josh Allen is
a stud, right, the MVP. Where would that franchise be
without him? Yeah, they were proactive. Let's make him happy,
keep him happy, like anything, anything to make him happy.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
And it's like the Bengals are paying their taxes late.
The Cowboys pay their taxes late. They're not. And once again,
they have to be pretty smart to get in the
position to be able to be an owner of a team.
But there are times when I just with Jerry Jones,
he did this with dak overpaid for dank Ce d Lamb.
Now you can look at Ceedee Lamb and say, all right,
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they got a better deal with the you know, wide
receiving market. But Michael Parsons, you know, he's great, Pay him,
pay him, and because down the road these other guys
are going to get paid as well.
Speaker 10 (29:11):
But well, and the other thing, if I could just
add this, the other thing is when they when you wait,
and it stretches throughout the off season, as we saw
happen with Dallas last year. Like the players admitted it
was a distraction, right like when you go down to
literally opening day for Dak Bruscott, right hours before kickoff
of the season. I mean they admitted it was on
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their minds. And that's that's the last thing you want
for a team that's you know, considers themselves in the mix.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Now they're all in, and that's what they are. The
Cowboys are all in. Great to busy with you again,
Thank you very much.
Speaker 10 (29:46):
Great to see you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Thanks, that's Judy Btista.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (29:59):
Todd is here, Paul, He's here, Marvin's here, and a guest, Danett,
It's Dylan the graphics guy. Are gambler from Dan Patrick
takes a gamble. He's in the chair. Seating is out
today and tomorrow. Dylan will handle the poll responsibilities, the
pole question responsibilities and anything that you would like to
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add from the first hour poll question. And what are
you going to go with an hour two?
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Uh?
Speaker 9 (30:25):
Yeah, Dan? Well, for our one we had who had
the best weekend? Gino Smith has zero votes?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
He didn't get one vote from going to the Raiders.
Huh not one? Okay, then vote.
Speaker 9 (30:39):
I guess people aren't that high in the Raiders either.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Okay?
Speaker 9 (30:42):
But for hour two, kind of going off the Miles
Garrett topic, true or false? Miles Garrett is only interested
in getting the bag, not a ring.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
This is Ala Todd. I can't do it where it's
one or the other. Like is he interested? Yes, he's
interested in the money. But do I think that he
wanted to go elsewhere? I do. I just don't think
that they got offers. Maybe they didn't even entertain offers.
(31:11):
So he has to save face now take care of me.
I guess i'll they had once again, they had to
give Deshaun Watson a deal that he couldn't refuse. He
ruled out the Cleveland Browns. I think he wanted to
go to Atlanta, but he ruled them out, and then
they said, what if we give you two hundred and
thirty million dollars guaranteed? All of a sudden, he wants
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to go to the Cleveland Browns. Miles Garrett is going
to go from Cleveland to Canton to the Hall of Fame.
Do I think that he wanted to play meaningful games? Yes?
I do. Now you go back, but this is you
weren't a good team last year with him. I think
that they should have still. Now you don't want to
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give him away, but you have to be open, and
I just think that that's it's being irresponsible as a
GM to not to at least listen. Now you might say, no,
we told him we weren't trading him. That's how much
he means to us. Okay, you don't mean as much
to him as he means to you because he wanted
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to leave. But I get that that you're going to
be loyal. We can't. You don't want to be the
GM who signed to Shan Watson and traded Miles Garrett.
I understand that, but you'll owe it to your franchise,
your fan base to at least explore. And the teams
that are going to be interested in trading for him.
Could be Philadelphia, could have been Washington, could be Detroit.
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These are all good teams. They may give you three
first round picks. I think they were looking maybe for four.
Were you're going to get a herschel Walker deal. I
don't think so. So now what do you do? You
got Miles Garrett? Great? Now what Nick Chubb's not going
to be there? Who's your quarterback? Jamis Winston wide receiver?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Like?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
What do you have here? I mean, is that your
tune in factor?
Speaker 7 (33:13):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
We got Miles Garrett? Okay, you guys got dominated last year.
The defense got dominated. Okay, he's going to give you
fifteen sacks? Great? Now what happens on all the other
plays and when the offense is on the field, it
just you're gonna get out from underneath the Sean Watson's contract. Now,
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you just spend forty million dollars on a defensive player.
You need help. I just think it's irresponsible for the
Browns to put out a statement that says we're not
trading him and then not Field calls. What happens if
somebody says we'll give you and then you go oh,
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Like there could be one of those moments there. You
could even say to Miles Garrett, hey, we tried. We
just didn't get an offer that we thought was commensurate
to your talent. You're going to be a Hall of Famer.
We would hate to give you up, but only if
it helps our franchise moving, you know, in the next decade,
like in the right direction. And they didn't get that opportunity.
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A lot of times we overestimate what somebody's going to
bring in return. Where you go, oh, they traded this
guy and they got a fifth round draft pick. Wow,
well they gave up that guy. They got a fourth
round draft pick in twenty twenty eight, Like you just
a lot of it is take them. They cost too
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much money and we want something in return. And I
think that's what happens a lot of times. DeVante Adams
going to the Rams, I think is a great move.
Great move Seattle. I don't know what they're doing, but
I'll give that front office the benefit of the doubt.
They make good decisions. Do I want Gino Smith? No?
But will I take him over the other quarterbacks that
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I have. Yes, he is an older quarterback, above average quarterback,
but he gives us a little more stability. Are they
still going to draft a quarterback? Are they going to
draft Ashton Genty? That's what I was told over the weekend.
And is this a Tom Brady call? Like? How much
did Pete Carroll weigh in with Tom? I'm going to
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guess a lot to say, let's bring in Geno. I
can bring out the best in him. And if you're Tom,
you probably are going we got to find a franchise
quarterback here like this, This is basically a two year
situation for us and also the coaches that have to
win now. Now. Pete Carroll, at his age, wants to
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win now. Now he's joining a team that's not very good.
I don't know if he looks at this and says,
let's develop a quarterback over the next couple of years.
I mean, Pete is the oldest coach in the NFL.
You also have the Giants situation. Do you want to
bring in a rookie quarterback for a coaching staff that
may not make it to the second half of the season.
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Do you want to bring in Aaron Rodgers, who does
make you better, but only makes you better for a year,
and that doesn't solve anything. I'd rather grow with this,
and we might not be a competitive team. Maybe we
have a good draft pick next year. Aaron Rodgers can
come in and all of a sudden, it's, you know,
like putting ear rings on a pig. All right, still
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a pig. That's the situation here with the Giants, the Jets,
what are they doing? What's their quarterbacking situation? The Steelers.
You start to look at these teams and you go, okay,
there's only so many quarterbacks to go around here, you know.
Do the Jets go well, I don't know. Let's take
Justin Fields? Okay, what did the Giants do? You're going
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all in on cam Ward? Okay, good luck. What's Pittsburgh doing?
You don't have a quarterback under contract? But he just
brought in DK Metcalf Seattle Sam Donald? Like, what's plan
B if you don't get Sam Darnald? What if the
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Colts say, you know what, we'd like to go after
Sam Donald. We admit we made a mistake on Anthony Richardson.
You got a team that can win and can win
ten games? Now, do I think Sam Darnald is great? No?
Do I think he played great? Yes? At times he did.
The question would be what's he costing me? Sam Donald?
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Sixty million dollars? No, Sam Donald forty five million? Okay,
I can have a conversation here. But he's still under thirty?
Is he still twenty seven? He's been twenty seven for
about four years? Yes, Marvin, Yeah, I think he turned
twenty eight. Oh, it's always I think he turns twenty
(38:05):
nine in July. But well, Sam Darnold, he's twenty seven? Oh?
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Is he?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Is he gonna be twenty eight?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Paul?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Twenty eight in July. He's been twenty seven for eighteen months?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
How is it? That's unbelievable. Yeah. So you have these
moves here and then all of a sudden it gets
official here coming up at noon Eastern of who's going where?
And then how's that set up for the draft? But
yesterday was crazy the NFL over the weekend. Those are
some big time moves. You got Josh Allen signing his
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contract extension. Metcalf goes to the Steeler, Tavante to the Rams,
Miles Garrett staying, Gino Smith goes to the rate. That's wild.
See you got a twenty four hour span where all
of a sudden, they go, let's see if we dominated
the headlines a little while. No, we haven't, Commissioner, all right,
we will today, Ben eight seven seven three DP Show
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email address dpat Danpatrick dot com, Twitter, Hindle at DP show.
So we got our poll question, we'll give you our
pasting work. So the weekend, Lebron got injured and I'm
playing against the Celtics and Paulie. When we came in today,
Pauli goes, Lebron's injured groin is a good thing. I said, Okay,
(39:22):
save it. I said, don't even tell me what you're
thinking until the show, so I can react in real time.
Here you go, Paulie, Lebron's groin injury is good for Lebron?
Question Martin.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Absolutely, this is the perfect timing for a guy like Lebron,
who's forty, who plays a lot. He plays a lot
in games, and he plays a lot of games. He's
not a load management guy like his other guy are.
He's gonna get a nice six game break here right
before the playoffs. The other guys can get it together.
No one's going to accuse him of sitting out. It's
a real groin injury. I think he had like a
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spring knee or something the year of the bubble and
he missed like six or seven games and April or
late March.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
If he can get a week.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
And a half off, it's almost you know, I know,
a groin injury can nag, but I think actually this
is a benefit for the Lakers. Lebron gets a week
off without any questions about why he's taking the week off.
Luca could take over for a little bit, the other
backup players can get a little more run. You go
into the playoffs with at worst, probably the fourth seed.
It's a good injury. Weirdly, can you take that take? Okay,
(40:26):
you're not buying it. I love it, Well, I don't
want it, but I like the byproduct of it.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I guess the thing that would concern me is the
type of injury that it is. Those things tend to stay.
It's like a sprained ankle. They tend to stay, they
linger a little bit. That'd be the only thing that
if you said, hey, Lebron's going to get some rest here,
how's this effect you're seating That's really important? But also
getting on a roll with Luca and I know you
don't want to peak too soon, and it felt like, boy,
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this team is now championship caliber, which I do think
they are, but I think they are when they play defense.
I know it's a caveat an asterisk, but I have
to put that in there healthy playing defense and defense
comes down to do you want to play defense? They
are all athletes, great athletes. Do you want to play defense?
Can JJ get them to play defense? And if he
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can with the firepower, then they're going to be a
tough out. They can compete for a championship. But I
think getting on that role, getting comfortable with the roles
that you have, new roles that you have for some
of these players. You know that to me can be
that you know, we lost the opportunity when Lebron got hurt,
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that can we improve? What's our matchup going to be
in the playoffs? Who fits us better than some of
these other teams? You might have a dangerous team at
seven or eight that you run into that you can avoid.
Speaker 11 (41:52):
Yes, Marvin, Yeah, I disagree completely. I think this is
terrible for them because if they go into six games,
they're easily in the playing There are only four games
out of the playing tournament, so if Lebron's not there
and they lose five out of six, they could be
where the Timberwolves are. And so now they got to
play in the playing just to get into the regular playoffs.
(42:14):
So hopefully Luca and those guys can, you know, try
to at least stay above above water.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
I like that, good take, bad take from the front row.
Speaker 6 (42:22):
Yes, Ton, That's what I was wondering too. Is that
enough time that would throw up chemistry? I know he
just got to the team recently, but a week or
two could that it could become a problem for them
and it will take a while for them to get
back into the group to get a Lebron and.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Luca, I don't know, they seemed to be doing pretty
good job. You know. It came back to Lebron makes
he makes this work. Luca is not changing who he is.
Lebron can change who he is in accordance to what
the team needs. But you got to play defense. The
best performance over the weekend was Nikola Jokicic thirty one,
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twenty one, twenty two, and he did it on a
Friday night to win against the Suns. And you know,
he's not bothered by it. Van Pelt interviewed him and
basically this never happened in the history of the NBA,
and he's like, yeah, well, I'm just glad we won
the first thirty twenty twenty in NBA history. With ten
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minutes to go in the third quarter, Joker had already
recorded a triple double. From that point on, he had eighteen,
eleven and twelve, so he had two triple doubles in
the same game. He had a triple double in a
quarter and a half.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Stead of a day, start of a day, start of
a day.
Speaker 9 (43:44):
Scout out a day.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
This is the stele of the day?
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Is that a double triple double?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah? Is that the term?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I don't I don't know. But he had two triple
doubles in the same game, so it's a double triple double.
Is that what you get at Wendy's Oh ah, the
double triple double?
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Please special Meal?
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yes, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
And he's still not going to win mv No.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
He's not. He's not. SGA had forty, so he's had
at least forty in three straight games, and uh, yeah,
I mean he's going to win it. He's not the
most Valuable Player. He's not the best player, but it's
his time, his turn. That's it. Because you know, Jokers
(44:36):
having a better year than he had in his previous
MVP years and probably means more to his team than
SGA does to Oklahoma City. But I've been around long
enough to know that. You know, I saw Hi when
Carl Malone won and when Charles Barkley won, and you
(44:57):
could not convince me they were better than Michael Jordan,
are more valuable, but it was their turn, it was
their time, and that's SGA. And I do think that
there's a ground swell with the analyst former players who
won SGA to win for whatever reason. You know, Oklahoma
City is having a great year. Well, has anybody brought
up Donovan Mitchell is an MVP candidate? No, yeah, why not?
Speaker 11 (45:25):
Because he's probably averaging twenty two a game and SGA
is averaging thirty thirty one. I think if Donovan Mitchell
was the far and away leader, because they the Cavaliers
seem like very equal, they seem like very balanced. They're
a very balanced team. Where this guy's averaging twenty, this
guy's averaging twenty one, this guy's averaging seventeen, So there's
not just one standalone player on the Cavs.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
But we're talking about value.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
I know Donovan Mitchell, it's just because the Cavaliers don't
get clicks. Nobody talks about him. Even now, it's like rudgingly.
They've won fourteen in a row. You know what they've done.
This start is historical. How many teams have had this
winning percentage this deep into the season.
Speaker 11 (46:12):
Yes, Ma, they feel like the Hawks maybe about ten
or twelve years ago when they won sixty games and
they have four All Stars. I think I think Lebron
just swept them out of the playoffs really fast after that.
But they seem like a team that was very balanced,
and they had a bunch of guys averaging around sixteen
to eighteen, but no one took took their series. They
did because they'd have a super duper star.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
Yes, Pom, Yeah, Donovan Mitchell was probably more famous in
Utah when he's averaging twenty seven and he's about to
be a free agent. Everybody wanted him. His career is
as a team player is going way better. But he's
down to twenty four points a game.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
For him.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yeah, but I haven't heard anybody. It's basically SGA, and
then it'll be Joker, and then it'll be people way
down the list there.
Speaker 11 (46:55):
Yes, Ma, it's this show that's keeping the calves.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
We're keeping them afloat.
Speaker 11 (47:00):
Yeah, we talk about them, Yes, and we talk about
Polo benk in the Rockets, who talks more of random
NBA than this is broadcast.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
That's because I watched the NBA.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Well, you're a junkie.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
These other hostess they don't watch, they don't watch, they don't.
I mean, you got big time guys on TV, or
I've got guys on a roster that aren't even haven't
been on the roster in a couple of years. You
got to watch. But they you know, I'm here to
cover the NBA, you know, instead of just saying, let's
just cover the Lakers. Love the Lakers situation, but you
(47:34):
try to be fair to the other stories.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
A couple of things with NCAA bids Omaha, Omaha's in
Lipscom and high Point, and we will play the geography
game coming up here. If there is a team that
does qualify during the show, let me know, PAULI break
into programming. There a few other teams in there as
well that qualified.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yeah, Drake's in of course, I like Drake. Drake.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Drake's had a bad year, but not that Drake, right, Yeah,
Drake the school, Yeah, Drake the school and SIU Edwardsville.
Dan is in Edwardsville.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
That's done in Ohio Valley. That's your region.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Mmmh.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
He played ball, m.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Okay lebron injures his groin, his own and the Cabs
who won fourteen in a row. The football news over
the weekend, we will explore a little deeper. Judy Bautista,
an NFL insider for NFL Network. Great appearance, last time.
She'll join us coming up here in about fifteen minutes
from now. Miles Garrett staying with Cleveland. The Raiders go
(01:05):
out and get Geno Smith. Josh Allen got a contract extension,
Steelers got dk metcap DeVante Adams goes to the Rams.
This is similar to opening Christmas gifts on Christmas Eve.
That's what yesterday was. This weekend was like today is Christmas.
This is when the news is supposed to break. Noon
(01:25):
Eastern is when they can kind of make this all official.
We got Christmas gifts on Christmas Eve instead of Christmas Day. Hey,
I'm not complaining. There's some big news, big news items yesterday,
the Miles Garrett staying with Cleveland, Geno Smith going to
the Raiders, and I think we're looking at all these
scenarios and you go, why we knew DK Metcalf wanted out,
(01:48):
but you're going to go to Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh doesn't even
know who their quarterback is, or they might know, we
don't know yet. And we brought this up a couple
of weeks ago, Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers that possibility.
It's at least in the exploratory stage from what I'm
told that they haven't ruled it out. And then I
(02:10):
saw where what's Russell Wilson going to do? What's Justin
Field's going to do? And then I saw a report
maybe Justin Fields to the Jets hasn't this young man
suffered enough they shouldn't do that to him. But you
might be the starting quarterback. It's wild. It's like Seattle.
(02:30):
They said, yeah, we'll trade Geno Smith. Okay, Well, Seattle
must know what they're doing. If they just traded Geno
Smith and they've gotten rid of Tyler Lockett or they're
going to lose him and then DK Metcalf as well.
And this is a team that won ten games last
year and you're going to trade Gino too, Pete Carroll
and the Raiders. And does that preclude them from maybe
(02:53):
going after Shador Sanders. Now I was told it wouldn't
that they could still see them drafting a court. Now,
are you going to draft a quarterback in the top ten?
That's a little bit different if you're going to go
out and get Geno Smith. But Tom Brady's influence has
already had an impact there. Josh Allen gets an extension,
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and if this helps them with salary cap relief, pushes
the contract down the road, you're eventually going to have
to pay him again. Do you get ahead of the market,
which you know there's some teams that do and some
teams that don't. Dallas Cowboys don't and it costs them
all the time. It's going to cost them with Michael Parsons.
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And Michael Parsons probably had a I'm going to guess
a celebration yesterday. I would have because all of a sudden,
he looks at what Miles Garrett got to stay in Cleveland,
and Michael Parsons is going to be asking for something
that begins with a four and not a three. Jamar
Chase probably had a really good day yesterday as well.
(03:58):
He didn't do anything, but the Browns have said they're
going to make him the highest paid non quarterback. Why
they said this, I don't know why they have not
done this, I don't know. But it's going to cost you.
If the guy is great, then pay him. That's it. Okay,
there's a band aid and it might hurt a little bit,
(04:20):
but boy down the road, I'd rather have a band
aid than need stitches. And that's what's happening with the
Cincinnati Bengals and the Dallas Cowboys. Is Jamar Chase as
much of a sure thing in the NFL and the entries? Yes,
this is exactly what you wanted out of a player
(04:41):
that you drafted that high to be great. Now pay
him pay that to me on his money. And then
with Michael Parsons, pay him. Remember when TJ. Watt getting
thirty million, We're like, man, what is going on in
the NFL that it seems like the old days? It
(05:02):
wasn't that long ago. And then Miles Garrett, Okay, I
know a little more about this than I'm allowed to
talk about. But Miles Garrett, you know, talking about staying
in Cleveland. Uh didn't want to stay in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
He had.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Now let's go back to when he had his statement
during the Super Bowl. As a kid dreaming of the NFL,
all I focused on was the ultimate goal of winning
a Super Bowl. And my goal fuels me today more
than ever. I've loved calling this city my home. My
desire to win and compete on the biggest stages won't
(05:40):
allow me to be complacent. The goal was never to
go from Cleveland to Canton. It's always been to compete
and win a Super Bowl. With that in mind, I've
requested to be traded from the Cleveland Browns. O WHOA,
Okay this and once again I got to be careful
in what I'm going to tell you. That spent twenty
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minutes with somebody yesterday and because I was like, boy,
that was a big turnaround. Well, Cleveland wasn't fielding trade
offers or they didn't get blown away by anybody. And
I think what happened is Miles Garrett's representatives probably said, hey,
they're not going to trade you. I mean, you can't
(06:24):
be the GM who signs Deshaun Watson and then trades
away Miles Garrett. Like that's not good on your resume.
I think Cleveland was pretty steadfast. They were not going
to trade him. They said they weren't going to trade him,
and we thought, well, they have to trade him. I
think what happened is it was basically, okay, what can
(06:47):
we pay you so you want to stay here? And
it got to forty million dollars. I think that's really
what's happening here. Miles Garrett wanted to go someplace out
they didn't get blown away by a deal, and then
therefore he had to basically say, Okay, I'm going to stay,
(07:08):
but what are you going to pay me? Because I
think he also said, hey, this isn't about being the
highest paid player in the league, which I didn't buy
even if he went to someplace else. But I think
that's what happened in Cleveland. I once again, I got
to be careful in what I'm saying, because I got
information yesterday that there's more to the story that I'm
(07:28):
not allowed to tell you about. I have to wait
and let the process kind of play out here.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Yes, poone, but the common reaction is what changed for
Miles Garrett because they didn't add some star players in
the past two months to bolster that team and make
them more competitive.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
They're still the Browns, so well.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
He couldn't do anything about it, right like he I
don't think he wanted to stay there. I think that
they gave him an offer that will satisfy him, and
they were, you know, adamant, they weren't going to trade him.
I don't know if he goes yeah, you know, But
on second though, I think we can win at all.
I think we can be competitive. I think he's just
being honest that I did want to go. I can't go.
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I'm staying now, you know, make me the highest paid
non quarterback in the league. So he can say face
as well, you know, because we'll eventually move on from this,
you know. Right now, It's like, oh, yeah, great, you
said you were gonna you wanted to be with a contender,
somebody could compete for Super Bowl. Cleveland's roster hasn't really
changed that much. That's what I was told that Miles
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did want to leave, They were not going to trade him.
They were not blown away. And then I think both parties,
how do we make this work moving forward? And that's
how he ended up at forty million dollars. But Gino
Smith's situation, I like it for the Raiders because now
you have somebody who can play quarterback and you're in
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a division that is the most competitive division in football.
Now you've got to at least every Sunday know that
your quarterback gives you a chance. And maybe Geno Smith
is a B level quarterback, but that's okay. You got
Rock Bowers, you got Max Crosby, you got a chance
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in the draft to get somebody. I'm told that they're
going to get Ashton Genty. I was told that yesterday.
Now once again I can tell you things that are
you know what are we five weeks out from the draft,
a month out from the draft. Things will change. But
I'm trying to understand the philosophy of I don't know
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what Seattle's doing because that's a clearance sale and are
you going to go get Sam Darnald So you get
a younger quarterback, doesn't mean he's a better quarterback. In fact,
I would probably still I would take Geno Smith over
Sam Donald, especially the way Seattle plays. You know, it's
a ball control, grinded out, makes you know a couple
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of plays, and Gino has played well, But the Raiders
got a quarterback that they can count on and they
haven't had that for a little while. As for Seattle,
I'm not sure if is this a rebuild or reload.
That front office has always been great. They find talent
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and that's a division you can win. That's what surprised me.
They could have just stayed with what they had there.
Now DK Metcalf, I've said before he should be a
whole lot better. Every time I see him, I see
des Bryant without the resume, and maybe this helps him.
But I can't imagine George Pickens and DK Metcalf being
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happy with, Hey, you got four targets today. How about
our running game? Like now, if you get Aaron Rodgers, okay,
then I could see where that would be a little
more interesting. I think the Rams had an unbelievable because
you're going to get Cooper Cup's salary off the books
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and you bring in Davante Adams, And I always want
to know how far out do you think the Rams go?
You know, we're going to get rid of Cooper Cup.
Who can we get Now you start going, okay, what
are the Jets going to do with Davante? But that's
when you make a phone call. These things don't happen
in the span of you know, six hours, twelve hours.
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I know there's the legal tampering, which I still find
amazing that it's like jumbo shrimp. Wait, doesn't make sense,
legal tampering. Why do we even call it legal tampering?
But Davante Adams going there, Matthew Stafford's got to be thrilled. Soy,
you got Davante Adams and pukin Nakua, you got a
good running game, you got our young defense. You know,
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you get Matthew Stafford back. They the Rams are in
great shape, great shape, But there's teams that didn't do anything.
What are the Giants doing? What are the giants doing?
Are you going all in to get Cam Warre because
is Justin Fields gonna be Plan B?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Or is Justin Fields going to the Jet? What are
the Jets doing?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
So?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Is Russell Wilson involved in this? And the Steelers? I'm
guessing you got like you have two quarterbacks, but you
don't feel like you have one quarterback You've got you
just traded for g Like, if i'm dk Metcal, the
first thing I say is, well, who's going to be quarterback? Hey,
I'm glad you're gonna give me one hundred and fifty
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million dollars, But who's going to be the quarterback here?
That's the big question there. And can Aaron Rodgers fit
in with the Steelers if that would happen? Kind of wild,
kind of wild, yes, Don.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
And you're still hearing that buzz even up in TI
this weekend. Giants vikings for Aaron Rodgers, it's all over
the place right now with him.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah. I thought that the vikings basically said that JJ
McCarthy will be our starting quarterback, and then I saw
a where well, he's coming back from a devastating injury.
He might not be ready to go. And that's why
you reach out to Aaron Rodgers. I'm not quite sure.
But if I'm JJ McCarthy, I probably think I'm going
to be the starter. But if you're Aaron Rodgers, in
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his mind, he's still a starter. May not be reality,
but it may be. Hey, you want to be the
starting quarterback for the Giants for one year thirty million
dollars or take your chances elsewhere? Yeah, pull.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
It's almost like the Vikings were too competitive last year
to start developing a quarterback. They were surprisingly competitive because
of Donald. They may move on from Darnald, but now
they have to replace him with a guy who can help.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Them win the division. Now it's a weird place to be.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
If they were under five hundred last year, they finished
under five hundred, move on to JJ McCarthy, Colmley.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
But it's like they're weirdly competitive.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Yeah, yes, Ton, and social media's been having fun with
the far of comparison. You play for the Packers or
go to the Jets and the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Oh boy, you say you can't do it, but he
can do it. Yeah, he didn't care.
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Speaker 9 (15:33):
All right, Dan our one poll? Who had the best weekend?
Excluding Josh Allen okay, Gina Smith, Miles Garrett, DK metcalf A,
DeVante Adams okay?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, I would say Miles Garrett because of what he's
getting paid, but he still has to get paid playing
for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Yes, Paul DeVante Adams at this juncture, his career goes
to a competitive team, big market and a drop back
timing quarterback that's perfect for him.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Judy Batista, senior national columnist, co host of The Insiders
on NFL Network. Let me start there, Judy, who had
the best weekend?
Speaker 10 (16:12):
I would say Devonte Adams as well. He got I
think more than many people thought he was going to get.
He's with a team very much on the rise. I
mean they are way ahead of schedule. He gets to
stay in California, where he's from. I think he had
the best weekend because, as you put it perfectly, Miles
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Garrett just for the cash alone, but he's staying with
a team that we now know he didn't want to
be with just a few days ago.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Why didn't Cleveland get an offer that could at least
have them budge off this stance of we're not going
to trade Miles Scarett.
Speaker 10 (16:47):
I don't think they ever even entertained the idea of
trading Miles Garrett Listen. So much has gone wrong for
that team. Obviously. The Deshaun Watson deal was just a
ca astrophe that you can't trade your best player. I mean,
he's not just their best player, this is a Hall
of Fame caliber player. He's arguably the best defensive player
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in the league every year. You just can't trade that guy.
And if you're going to give your fans anything to
hang on to, you can't trade that guy. So unless
they were somebody came to them with, you know, we'll
give you four number ones, which I don't think anybody
was doing. Like, they just couldn't entertain anything. And if
we take them at their word, and I think we can,
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because they were saying the same things to teams that
they were saying to reporters, they were never trading him.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Is it irresponsible though of them that yes, this guy
is going you know Cleveland to Canton, but maybe there's
a stop in between with Detroit or Washington or whoever.
Maybe somebody overpays to make you a bet. If I'm
Cleveland Browns fan, it's nice that I'm going to see
him in uniform, But are we any better by having
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him in uniform instead of trying to get something else
to kind of restart this franchise.
Speaker 10 (18:08):
I saw a lot of that online yesterday when the
deal happened, a lot of fans saying like, shouldn't we
have gotten the fall of draft picks. Draft picks are gambles, right,
you don't know how they're going to pan out. You
do know what this guy is going to do, right,
He's going to sack the quarterback fifteen times a season.
At least he is going to give you a chance
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to win. I think part of what kept him in Cleveland,
aside from the obvious the pile of money, is they
sold to him on the idea that they have a
plan to be back. Right, they were in the playoffs
only a couple of years ago, Like, we're not you know,
the roster is not completely barren. This is what we're
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going to do at quarterback, And I think as those
things come to light, maybe the decision will make a
little bit more sense. I think he read the tea leaves,
and his representatives read the tea leaves that they were
never going to trade him. I mean, Jimmy Haslam wouldn't
even meet with him, and basically said, like, you know,
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go deal with Andrew Berry. Don't try to come appealing
to me for a trade. Go go talk to Andrew Berry. Uh.
And I think they, you know, they came to the
conclusion like, you're not getting traded unless you are willing
to hold out and sacrifice, you know, a year's worth
of salary, because that's the only alternative. You need to
come to grips with the fact that you're not getting traded,
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So make the best deal you can and try to
figure out how you can be happy here.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
What are the Seahawks doing, That's a good question.
Speaker 10 (19:44):
It's hard. It's hard to really question John Schneider because
he's very, very good, you know, but certainly this is
a reset, at the very least, moving Gino Smith. You know,
I always got the impression that maybe John Schneider, he
was always less committal about Geno Smith, then maybe the
coaches were Mike McDonald was at the combine only you
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know what was that two weeks ago saying like, we
love Geno Smith, He's definitely our quarterback. But I always
thought John Schneider was a little bit more reserved, and
it's I think it's a good move for Gino Smith.
I think it's a fairly decent move for the Seahawks,
presuming that they already know who their next quarterback is
going to be. And it's hard for me to imagine
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that a GM as good as John Schneider with Trader
starting quarterback without having a very very strong idea of
who the next guy is. So I assume that that
domino will fall as soon as the window opens today.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
For Negotia, Yeah, I rarely question what the front office
does in Seattle. They're they're very buttoned up, they're very smart. Yes,
you know, if you're getting Sam donold. Look, Gino is
an older, a little above average quarterback. It gives you
a little more stability with the rate is competing in
the AFC West, but the NFC West is winnable. You
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won ten games, you know, you went toe to toe
with the Rams. The Niners are going to come back
a little bit. But that's what was surprising is you
let your receivers go and it just felt like a
tag sale. And I don't know, you know what that
big grand plant? Is Sam Donald going to be the answer?
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They're that sure that Sam Donald is their guy?
Speaker 10 (21:28):
Right? I think they also want a running game, like
I think they just want to retool. Right, this is
now a second year head coach who is now going
to instead of working with what was in place, is
going to start putting what he wants in place, right,
the kind of system he wants. I generally agree with
the idea that there's it's a much greater chance that
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you're going to get worse at quarterback. Look, you already
know what Gino Smith is. Are you very very sure
that Sam Donald is going to repeat the kind of
success with your program that he had in an almost
perfect situation with the Vikings right where he had just
all world weapons, great coaching, he was protected. Well, so
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you got to be really sure that that's going to translate.
We'll see. But again I hesitate to question John Schneider
because they usually make the right motes at Seattle.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Who's going to be the quarterback of the Giants?
Speaker 10 (22:25):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the answer. For
a while, I thought all the pieces were lining up
that it was going to be Aaron Rodgers. I'm still
very curious to see what Aaron Rodgers market would be.
The fact that you know, nothing has been completed with
Aaron Rodgers makes you pause, and you know, as we
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know from Rogers in the past, like he's he's deliberate, right,
He's going to think about his options and explore his options,
and he's not going to be hasty. He certainly doesn't
want to make a bad decision here. But you know,
if if that falls through, what's the fallback plan for
the Giants? You know, I don't know, you know, would
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they be in on Sam Donald? That's a different kind
of thing, you know, Russell Wilson, that's a different kind
of thing. I mean, you know, when the Aaron Rodgers
thing started first bubbling up about the Giants connected to
the Giants, I think a lot of Giants fans I
live in New York, a lot of Giants fans walking
for this is great, no way, come on. But when
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you slow down and think about it, like there are
not a ton of great options like for that kind
of job, right now, like the veteran guy who's just
the bridge guy. We're not talking about a veteran guy
like Sam Donald that you're going to have for the
next ten years. We're talking about a bridge to the
next guy that presumably they're going to try to draft
this year. It's just there's not that many of them,
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and Aaron Rodgers is the best of the bunch, right.
I mean, you would rather have Aaron Rodgers than Russell
Wilson at this point, or Jamus way Stint or you know,
Jimmy Garoppolo, like you know who else is out there.
So we'll see. I am curious to see what the
rest of the market would look like for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Judy Batista joining us on loan from NFL Network, co
host of The Insiders. What are the Steelers doing?
Speaker 10 (24:17):
The Steelers are loading up. I think the way last
season ended for the Steelers, where it was just clear
they didn't have enough firepower, enough offensive firepower to stay
with the top teams in the AFC that you know
that the offense really said at the end. I think
they are going to fix that. Don't forget they spent
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all of last year trying to get a big time
wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Right.
Speaker 10 (24:41):
They were in on Brandon Ayuk, they were in on
Defante Adams, they got Mike Williams. That didn't you know, okay, whatever,
So this was like the long quest for a receiver
finally finally coming to an end and they get DK Metcalf.
To me, the interesting thing is are they keeping George
Pickens too, because then you have pick and and DK Metcalf,
which is pretty appealing for a quarterback, whoever the quarterback is.
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To me, it's amazing that they made the deal for
the star wide receiver without having any quarterback under contract.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I know, sort of the reverse, but it's.
Speaker 10 (25:13):
Quite a good selling point if you have to sell
yourself on a quarterback. I mean, for instance, if I
am a veteran quarterback with options and the Steelers are
interested in maybe that's a pretty I mean, I know
the weather is tough and it's an extremely difficult division,
but those are some pretty good weapons you'd be throwing
it through.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
We tend to talk about this. It feels like on
a yearly basis, there's certain teams that are proactive. They're
going to extend their star players. They get ahead of
the curve the financial curve. Here we are with Dallas
and Michael Parsons, and here we are with Jamar Chase.
The Bengals could have signed Jamar Chase a while ago,
it feels like and Dallas could have done the same thing.
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I mean, you'd be saved. It's only going up. The
longer you wait, the more it's going to cost you.
So I'm just trying to understand the financial responsibility sensibility
with both of these programs. These franchises of they're great,
pay them, don't wait to pay them.
Speaker 10 (26:11):
I don't know, I don't know why they wait, but
I mean this last weekend we've seen the stark like
what happens when you wait? They they waited, and now
they are Both teams are going to have to pay many,
many millions of dollars more, Which is great for the players,
Michael Carson, good for Jamar Chase. They deserve they've earned it,
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go get it. But if you're the team that's trying
to move around the dollars, I mean, you have really
put yourself in a terrible spot. The Bangals did it
to them twice. First of all, they should have done
Jamar Chase last year. They were close. I believe they
got hung up on guaranteed money, which now you're like, ah,
I mean the market jumped so significantly, right. The Max
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Crosby deal made him the highest paid non quarterback, you know,
by a little bit. Now the Miles Garrett makes them
by a lot. And the Bengals have said publicly that
they're going to make Jamar Chase the highest paid non quarterbacks,
so I mean they've got no wiggle room, and now
that's going to be much more expensive. Same thing for
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Trey Hendrickson if they have any thoughts of being able
to keep him. Well, the market for pass rushers just
took that big leap too with Miles Garrett, so that's
double trouble for them. And then of course the Michael
Carson's thing, which is, again, why why do these teams wait?
I don't know, but they're going to pay much much
more than they would have if they had just been
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proactive and gotten it done early. You always, if you're
the team, you want to be the first, right if
you're the player, you want to be the last, because
you want to top the market. From the team point.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Of view, this was not good and I like what
Buffalo did. They were proactive. This kind of came out
of nowhere with Josh Allen getting a new deal. But
it gives them flexibility, yes, right.
Speaker 10 (27:58):
And you don't have to you don't have to say
about this and there's no The other thing about waiting
is it creates tension with the player, right, like, which
you should not want to do. If again, the Bengals
know they're keeping Jamar Chase right, he is a superstar,
he's your guy, He's Joe Burrows guy. You can't let
him out of the building. Why would you ever want
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to create tens with a player like that. So in
the case of Buffalo, I mean, obviously Josh Allen is
a stud, right, the MVP. Where would that franchise be
without him? Yeah, they were proactive. Let's make him happy,
keep him happy, like anything, anything to make him happy.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
And it's like the Bengals are paying their taxes late.
The Cowboys pay their taxes late. They're not. And once again,
they have to be pretty smart to get in the
position to be able to be an owner of a team.
But there are times when I just with Jerry Jones,
he did this with dak overpaid for dank Ce d Lamb.
Now you can look at Ceedee Lamb and say, all right,
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they got a better deal with the you know, wide
receiving market. But Michael Parsons, you know, he's great, Pay him,
pay him, and because down the road these other guys
are going to get paid as well.
Speaker 10 (29:11):
But well, and the other thing, if I could just
add this, the other thing is when they when you wait,
and it stretches throughout the off season, as we saw
happen with Dallas last year. Like the players admitted it
was a distraction, right like when you go down to
literally opening day for Dak Bruscott, right hours before kickoff
of the season. I mean they admitted it was on
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their minds. And that's that's the last thing you want
for a team that's you know, considers themselves in the mix.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Now they're all in, and that's what they are. The
Cowboys are all in. Great to busy with you again,
Thank you very much.
Speaker 10 (29:46):
Great to see you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Thanks, that's Judy Btista.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
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Speaker 2 (29:59):
Todd is here, Paul, He's here, Marvin's here, and a guest, Danett,
It's Dylan the graphics guy. Are gambler from Dan Patrick
takes a gamble. He's in the chair. Seating is out
today and tomorrow. Dylan will handle the poll responsibilities, the
pole question responsibilities and anything that you would like to
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add from the first hour poll question. And what are
you going to go with an hour two?
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Uh?
Speaker 9 (30:25):
Yeah, Dan? Well, for our one we had who had
the best weekend? Gino Smith has zero votes?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
He didn't get one vote from going to the Raiders.
Huh not one? Okay, then vote.
Speaker 9 (30:39):
I guess people aren't that high in the Raiders either.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Okay?
Speaker 9 (30:42):
But for hour two, kind of going off the Miles
Garrett topic, true or false? Miles Garrett is only interested
in getting the bag, not a ring.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
This is Ala Todd. I can't do it where it's
one or the other. Like is he interested? Yes, he's
interested in the money. But do I think that he
wanted to go elsewhere? I do. I just don't think
that they got offers. Maybe they didn't even entertain offers.
(31:11):
So he has to save face now take care of me.
I guess i'll they had once again, they had to
give Deshaun Watson a deal that he couldn't refuse. He
ruled out the Cleveland Browns. I think he wanted to
go to Atlanta, but he ruled them out, and then
they said, what if we give you two hundred and
thirty million dollars guaranteed? All of a sudden, he wants
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to go to the Cleveland Browns. Miles Garrett is going
to go from Cleveland to Canton to the Hall of Fame.
Do I think that he wanted to play meaningful games? Yes?
I do. Now you go back, but this is you
weren't a good team last year with him. I think
that they should have still. Now you don't want to
(31:57):
give him away, but you have to be open, and
I just think that that's it's being irresponsible as a
GM to not to at least listen. Now you might say, no,
we told him we weren't trading him. That's how much
he means to us. Okay, you don't mean as much
to him as he means to you because he wanted
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to leave. But I get that that you're going to
be loyal. We can't. You don't want to be the
GM who signed to Shan Watson and traded Miles Garrett.
I understand that, but you'll owe it to your franchise,
your fan base to at least explore. And the teams
that are going to be interested in trading for him.
Could be Philadelphia, could have been Washington, could be Detroit.
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These are all good teams. They may give you three
first round picks. I think they were looking maybe for four.
Were you're going to get a herschel Walker deal. I
don't think so. So now what do you do? You
got Miles Garrett? Great? Now what Nick Chubb's not going
to be there? Who's your quarterback? Jamis Winston wide receiver?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Like?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
What do you have here? I mean, is that your
tune in factor?
Speaker 7 (33:13):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
We got Miles Garrett? Okay, you guys got dominated last year.
The defense got dominated. Okay, he's going to give you
fifteen sacks? Great? Now what happens on all the other
plays and when the offense is on the field, it
just you're gonna get out from underneath the Sean Watson's contract. Now,
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you just spend forty million dollars on a defensive player.
You need help. I just think it's irresponsible for the
Browns to put out a statement that says we're not
trading him and then not Field calls. What happens if
somebody says we'll give you and then you go oh,
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Like there could be one of those moments there. You
could even say to Miles Garrett, hey, we tried. We
just didn't get an offer that we thought was commensurate
to your talent. You're going to be a Hall of Famer.
We would hate to give you up, but only if
it helps our franchise moving, you know, in the next decade,
like in the right direction. And they didn't get that opportunity.
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A lot of times we overestimate what somebody's going to
bring in return. Where you go, oh, they traded this
guy and they got a fifth round draft pick. Wow,
well they gave up that guy. They got a fourth
round draft pick in twenty twenty eight, Like you just
a lot of it is take them. They cost too
(34:43):
much money and we want something in return. And I
think that's what happens a lot of times. DeVante Adams
going to the Rams, I think is a great move.
Great move Seattle. I don't know what they're doing, but
I'll give that front office the benefit of the doubt.
They make good decisions. Do I want Gino Smith? No?
But will I take him over the other quarterbacks that
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I have. Yes, he is an older quarterback, above average quarterback,
but he gives us a little more stability. Are they
still going to draft a quarterback? Are they going to
draft Ashton Genty? That's what I was told over the weekend.
And is this a Tom Brady call? Like? How much
did Pete Carroll weigh in with Tom? I'm going to
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guess a lot to say, let's bring in Geno. I
can bring out the best in him. And if you're Tom,
you probably are going we got to find a franchise
quarterback here like this, This is basically a two year
situation for us and also the coaches that have to
win now. Now. Pete Carroll, at his age, wants to
(35:47):
win now. Now he's joining a team that's not very good.
I don't know if he looks at this and says,
let's develop a quarterback over the next couple of years.
I mean, Pete is the oldest coach in the NFL.
You also have the Giants situation. Do you want to
bring in a rookie quarterback for a coaching staff that
may not make it to the second half of the season.
(36:09):
Do you want to bring in Aaron Rodgers, who does
make you better, but only makes you better for a year,
and that doesn't solve anything. I'd rather grow with this,
and we might not be a competitive team. Maybe we
have a good draft pick next year. Aaron Rodgers can
come in and all of a sudden, it's, you know,
like putting ear rings on a pig. All right, still
(36:33):
a pig. That's the situation here with the Giants, the Jets,
what are they doing? What's their quarterbacking situation? The Steelers.
You start to look at these teams and you go, okay,
there's only so many quarterbacks to go around here, you know.
Do the Jets go well, I don't know. Let's take
Justin Fields? Okay, what did the Giants do? You're going
(36:56):
all in on cam Ward? Okay, good luck. What's Pittsburgh doing?
You don't have a quarterback under contract? But he just
brought in DK Metcalf Seattle Sam Donald? Like, what's plan
B if you don't get Sam Darnald? What if the
(37:17):
Colts say, you know what, we'd like to go after
Sam Donald. We admit we made a mistake on Anthony Richardson.
You got a team that can win and can win
ten games? Now, do I think Sam Darnald is great? No?
Do I think he played great? Yes? At times he did.
The question would be what's he costing me? Sam Donald?
(37:40):
Sixty million dollars? No, Sam Donald forty five million? Okay,
I can have a conversation here. But he's still under thirty?
Is he still twenty seven? He's been twenty seven for
about four years? Yes, Marvin, Yeah, I think he turned
twenty eight. Oh, it's always I think he turns twenty
(38:05):
nine in July. But well, Sam Darnold, he's twenty seven? Oh?
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Is he?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Is he gonna be twenty eight?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Paul?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Twenty eight in July. He's been twenty seven for eighteen months?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
How is it? That's unbelievable. Yeah. So you have these
moves here and then all of a sudden it gets
official here coming up at noon Eastern of who's going where?
And then how's that set up for the draft? But
yesterday was crazy the NFL over the weekend. Those are
some big time moves. You got Josh Allen signing his
(38:34):
contract extension. Metcalf goes to the Steeler, Tavante to the Rams,
Miles Garrett staying, Gino Smith goes to the rate. That's wild.
See you got a twenty four hour span where all
of a sudden, they go, let's see if we dominated
the headlines a little while. No, we haven't, Commissioner, all right,
we will today, Ben eight seven seven three DP Show
(38:57):
email address dpat Danpatrick dot com, Twitter, Hindle at DP show.
So we got our poll question, we'll give you our
pasting work. So the weekend, Lebron got injured and I'm
playing against the Celtics and Paulie. When we came in today,
Pauli goes, Lebron's injured groin is a good thing. I said, Okay,
(39:22):
save it. I said, don't even tell me what you're
thinking until the show, so I can react in real time.
Here you go, Paulie, Lebron's groin injury is good for Lebron?
Question Martin.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Absolutely, this is the perfect timing for a guy like Lebron,
who's forty, who plays a lot. He plays a lot
in games, and he plays a lot of games. He's
not a load management guy like his other guy are.
He's gonna get a nice six game break here right
before the playoffs. The other guys can get it together.
No one's going to accuse him of sitting out. It's
a real groin injury. I think he had like a
(39:56):
spring knee or something the year of the bubble and
he missed like six or seven games and April or
late March.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
If he can get a week.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
And a half off, it's almost you know, I know,
a groin injury can nag, but I think actually this
is a benefit for the Lakers. Lebron gets a week
off without any questions about why he's taking the week off.
Luca could take over for a little bit, the other
backup players can get a little more run. You go
into the playoffs with at worst, probably the fourth seed.
It's a good injury. Weirdly, can you take that take? Okay,
(40:26):
you're not buying it. I love it, Well, I don't
want it, but I like the byproduct of it.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I guess the thing that would concern me is the
type of injury that it is. Those things tend to stay.
It's like a sprained ankle. They tend to stay, they
linger a little bit. That'd be the only thing that
if you said, hey, Lebron's going to get some rest here,
how's this effect you're seating That's really important? But also
getting on a roll with Luca and I know you
don't want to peak too soon, and it felt like, boy,
(40:56):
this team is now championship caliber, which I do think
they are, but I think they are when they play defense.
I know it's a caveat an asterisk, but I have
to put that in there healthy playing defense and defense
comes down to do you want to play defense? They
are all athletes, great athletes. Do you want to play defense?
Can JJ get them to play defense? And if he
(41:17):
can with the firepower, then they're going to be a
tough out. They can compete for a championship. But I
think getting on that role, getting comfortable with the roles
that you have, new roles that you have for some
of these players. You know that to me can be
that you know, we lost the opportunity when Lebron got hurt,
(41:41):
that can we improve? What's our matchup going to be
in the playoffs? Who fits us better than some of
these other teams? You might have a dangerous team at
seven or eight that you run into that you can avoid.
Speaker 11 (41:52):
Yes, Marvin, Yeah, I disagree completely. I think this is
terrible for them because if they go into six games,
they're easily in the playing There are only four games
out of the playing tournament, so if Lebron's not there
and they lose five out of six, they could be
where the Timberwolves are. And so now they got to
play in the playing just to get into the regular playoffs.
(42:14):
So hopefully Luca and those guys can, you know, try
to at least stay above above water.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
I like that, good take, bad take from the front row.
Speaker 6 (42:22):
Yes, Ton, That's what I was wondering too. Is that
enough time that would throw up chemistry? I know he
just got to the team recently, but a week or
two could that it could become a problem for them
and it will take a while for them to get
back into the group to get a Lebron and.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Luca, I don't know, they seemed to be doing pretty
good job. You know. It came back to Lebron makes
he makes this work. Luca is not changing who he is.
Lebron can change who he is in accordance to what
the team needs. But you got to play defense. The
best performance over the weekend was Nikola Jokicic thirty one,
(42:55):
twenty one, twenty two, and he did it on a
Friday night to win against the Suns. And you know,
he's not bothered by it. Van Pelt interviewed him and
basically this never happened in the history of the NBA,
and he's like, yeah, well, I'm just glad we won
the first thirty twenty twenty in NBA history. With ten
(43:18):
minutes to go in the third quarter, Joker had already
recorded a triple double. From that point on, he had eighteen,
eleven and twelve, so he had two triple doubles in
the same game. He had a triple double in a
quarter and a half.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Stead of a day, start of a day, start of
a day.
Speaker 9 (43:44):
Scout out a day.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
This is the stele of the day?
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Is that a double triple double?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah? Is that the term?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I don't I don't know. But he had two triple
doubles in the same game, so it's a double triple double.
Is that what you get at Wendy's Oh ah, the
double triple double?
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Please special Meal?
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yes, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
And he's still not going to win mv No.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
He's not. He's not. SGA had forty, so he's had
at least forty in three straight games, and uh, yeah,
I mean he's going to win it. He's not the
most Valuable Player. He's not the best player, but it's
his time, his turn. That's it. Because you know, Jokers
(44:36):
having a better year than he had in his previous
MVP years and probably means more to his team than
SGA does to Oklahoma City. But I've been around long
enough to know that. You know, I saw Hi when
Carl Malone won and when Charles Barkley won, and you
(44:57):
could not convince me they were better than Michael Jordan,
are more valuable, but it was their turn, it was
their time, and that's SGA. And I do think that
there's a ground swell with the analyst former players who
won SGA to win for whatever reason. You know, Oklahoma
City is having a great year. Well, has anybody brought
up Donovan Mitchell is an MVP candidate? No, yeah, why not?
Speaker 11 (45:25):
Because he's probably averaging twenty two a game and SGA
is averaging thirty thirty one. I think if Donovan Mitchell
was the far and away leader, because they the Cavaliers
seem like very equal, they seem like very balanced. They're
a very balanced team. Where this guy's averaging twenty, this
guy's averaging twenty one, this guy's averaging seventeen, So there's
not just one standalone player on the Cavs.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
But we're talking about value.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
I know Donovan Mitchell, it's just because the Cavaliers don't
get clicks. Nobody talks about him. Even now, it's like rudgingly.
They've won fourteen in a row. You know what they've done.
This start is historical. How many teams have had this
winning percentage this deep into the season.
Speaker 11 (46:12):
Yes, Ma, they feel like the Hawks maybe about ten
or twelve years ago when they won sixty games and
they have four All Stars. I think I think Lebron
just swept them out of the playoffs really fast after that.
But they seem like a team that was very balanced,
and they had a bunch of guys averaging around sixteen
to eighteen, but no one took took their series. They
did because they'd have a super duper star.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
Yes, Pom, Yeah, Donovan Mitchell was probably more famous in
Utah when he's averaging twenty seven and he's about to
be a free agent. Everybody wanted him. His career is
as a team player is going way better. But he's
down to twenty four points a game.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
For him.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yeah, but I haven't heard anybody. It's basically SGA, and
then it'll be Joker, and then it'll be people way
down the list there.
Speaker 11 (46:55):
Yes, Ma, it's this show that's keeping the calves.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
We're keeping them afloat.
Speaker 11 (47:00):
Yeah, we talk about them, Yes, and we talk about
Polo benk in the Rockets, who talks more of random
NBA than this is broadcast.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
That's because I watched the NBA.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Well, you're a junkie.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
These other hostess they don't watch, they don't watch, they don't.
I mean, you got big time guys on TV, or
I've got guys on a roster that aren't even haven't
been on the roster in a couple of years. You
got to watch. But they you know, I'm here to
cover the NBA, you know, instead of just saying, let's
just cover the Lakers. Love the Lakers situation, but you
(47:34):
try to be fair to the other stories.
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