March 11, 2025 • 52 mins
Former NFL QB Chris Simms weighs in on the biggest NFL storylines and discusses why “DeflateGate” bothered him so much. Auburn Head Men’s Basketball Coach Bruce Pearl praises Johni Broome as the best player in college hoops and shares insights on recruiting with the impact of NIL. And NFL insider Louis Riddick breaks down why he's sold on Cam Ward being the top QB in the draft and reflects on facing legends like John Elway, Dan Marino, and Steve Young on the field.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Chris.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host, and you can
see him on Football Night in America. Give me the
head scratcher there, of all the moves, all the different signings, Well.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Uh okay, I mean, I don't know if I got
head scratchers.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I got one that surprised me.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I think the one that surprises me, maybe more than
any is I did not think I would be sitting
here Tuesday, after the first day of free agency uttering
the words j C. Horn highest paid dB in NFL history. Right,
that one was a little surprising to me.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Good player.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I get that, been injured a lot during his career.
I know they need good defensive players there in Carolina.
That was an issue, right, But they're paying him like
he's Pat certain or Sauce Gardner, and he's certainly not
that and hasn't been able to stay in the field
that way.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
That to me was a surprising one.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Again, I'm never gonna get mad at a team for
signing a guy they like, they drafted, they see potential in.
But I didn't think, again, it was gonna to be
the highest paid dB in the history of football that
was that was surprising, and a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Of attention goes to the quarterbacks, and rightfully so, but
this feels like this is the stock up on offensive
and defensive lineman where it's not going to get headlines,
but it's going to win you games. It's going to
get you into the playoffs, it's going to help somebody
win a super Bowl? Is there?
Speaker 5 (01:21):
That's right?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah? But is there a move that was let's non
skill level that you would go, wow, that's a big
upgrade or that that'll be a big difference for this team.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, there's two teams that jump out and they have
a number of moves, right and the one you were
kind of you were just making fun of a little bit,
right with Milton Williams.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
But again, Dan, it's like, the.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
First thing I gotta say is this is how good
the Eagles are. That they're an all star team. This
as good of a team as we've seen in a long,
long time. Right, They're so good they stashed a guy
that were paying seventeen million dollars a year, was the
top free agent free agent pass rusher in last year's draft,
and they said just sit on the bench.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
We're we could just we'll keep you there.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So I knew and thought all along and said this
yesterday that Milton Williams between the Cardinals and Jonathan Geddon
who was in Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Of course Carolina got involved. That was a big deal.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
But further along with what they did there in New England,
not only the Milton Williams trade, but to get carl
are signing.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Get to get Carlton Davis, who is still.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
A damn good corner, and now you got opposite of him,
Christian Gonzalees. So you got two guys on the outside
that can shut people down. And Harold Landry, who vrabel
had history within Tennessee, is.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Still a really really good football player.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
So I look at some of those moves and even
the Morgan Moses move offensive tackle as going wow, like
you're saying in the trenches, quality signings there. The Patriots
certainly improved their team in a big way yesterday. Them
and the Bears, I thought, really were the ones that
jumped out to me more than others.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
If you're Aaron Rodgers and you have your choice of
the into the Steelers, yeah, it's it's Steelers.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
It is us.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
It's the Steelers are at least or Mike Tomlins on
more solid ground I believe than you know, Brian Dabull
or Joe Shane. Right, So there's that aspect. You certainly
can look at the Steelers and go, wait, this is
a team that's been in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
They get to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, they're one and done, right, but uh, they're doing
some things a little differently there. They're making some drastic moves.
What they traded for DK Metcalf and paid them all
this money. They usually don't do that type of stuff.
We know that their defense, they got some disruptors and
some playmakers there.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I think that one there.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
You know, if it's apples to apples, there's no doubt
the Pittsburgh Steelers would be the team for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That means Russell Wilson to the Giants.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I don't know what it means for the Giants. That
doesn't excite me very much. See the other thing that
I think we're seeing going on right here, you know,
good players in free agency, all the movement the free
agent player there wasn't a big time market this year, right,
or at least high end players. So we saw a
lot of guys get re signed at the last second,
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trades like DK Metcalf and some other ones out there.
And then the other thing that's jumped out to me
this weekend is I think the NFL is telling you
they don't like the draft, the quarterback draft, right, anybody
not named cam Ward. I think everybody's a little bit
like Eh.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I like him, but I don't know if I love
him right that.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
That's the feeling I'm getting, at least by the signals
out there.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So yeah, the Giants, the options are limited.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I don't know what they do there, but it seems
like we're getting to the spot here where there'll be
more and more pressure on them to take a quarterback
at number three.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You just think cam Ward is the only guy who
grades out to maybe be a starter right away.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Cam Ward is.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I haven't come out with my rankings yet, but I've
said this on my pot He's definitely the number one quarterback.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
That's not debatable.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
This will be a year where I have a hard
time thinking all thirty two teams will be in consensus
that that is the number one guy is worthy of
being the number one pick. Cam Ward, to me, would
be in the conversation with Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels
as the top quarterbacks in last year's draft. I think
he's worthy of that. I had Bo Nick's number three.
I think if I was gonna be fair, I'd probably
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would have cam Ward in front of him if it
was back into those times, even though I love bo Nicks,
don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
So yeah, I look at it that way.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And then where I look at like Shador Sanders and
Jackson Dart, I feel like they would have been towards
the bottom of last year's list. But still I look
at Shador Standers and still goes starting caliber stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
First rounder.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I don't love all the crap he's getting, you know,
in Place is certainly not and there's a lot to
like about his film.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
The Jets Getting justin Fields. Yeah, holds your excitement.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Well.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I like the I like the move right because he
at least is going to go out. You know, if
he stays healthy, he at least can make some plays.
It's he can be interesting there. I think your expect
level is greatly reduced because it's justin fields, and that's right,
and maybe you can get eight or nine win like
maybe best case scenario, maybe Rogers I you know, we
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thought they could go to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I hear you, and I think you know, one on
top of that, you give you get justin fields that
type of contract what he got, that doesn't take you
out of the market for If Shador Sanders is there
for you to pick right and you want to take it,
you're now we're not going to be like Kirk Cousins
Michael Pennox and be like what why did they pay
him one hundred and fifty million dollars And now they're
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drafting the number seven quarterback That makes no sense. So
it does give them some wiggle room there. And then
I think on top of what you're saying, there is potential.
It's gotten better throwing the football. There still needs to
be more there. I mean, it's not you know what
you want as far as throwing the football out of
your starter in the NFL, but it's good. And then
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you got to get into playmaking. And then I also
think with like what you're saying, Aaron Glenn, He's going, wait,
I want a team here. I'm about a team. I
just came from Detroit. I want to run, I want
to play physical football. I got an awesome defense here.
That I'm gonna coach up and you make them even
more awesome, right, and he's gonna play team style of football.
And then, yes, this gives them wiggle room, buys them
(07:15):
time to figure out what they want to do for
the quarterback of the future or Justin Fields ups his
game and shows us he's the quarterback of the future.
So from all that, it makes sense because I don't
think they want to be held hostage by Aaron Rodgers
and what he might have wanted to run the offense
and how he wanted things to look. And I get
it what the Jets are doing.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Chris Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host also unbuttoned
the Chris Sims podcast and a contributor to Football Night
in America. Would you rather have Sam Darnold or Geno Smith?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I would take Gino, all right, I would take Gino. Yeah,
I'm a Gino fan. I like Sam Darnold now, and
I mean it's it's close, right, it's close. But I
would take Gino. But also within that, Okay, if you
told me, wait, you can get Sam Donald for a
little less money and you can get a third round pick,
I might.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Go, well, I don't know, maybe I will tip.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
The scales swords Sam Donald then a little bit, and
I think that's what Seattle looked at it, like let alone.
I think Seattle's a little like, Hey, we know Gino
was in the Quarterback of the future. We know that,
and we're not necessarily Sam Donald is either, but we
like him. And I think the biggest thing here too,
Dan is Clint Kobiak. He had a full year right
with Sam Donald when he was in New Orleans, I
(08:31):
mean San Francisco, So he knows what he's all about.
He's been there, he's coached him. Sam Donald's gonna be
able to know his offense quite you know, quite quickly there,
so that makes sense. And Mike McDonald, I think what
he's doing is he's kind of going, wait, the Pete
Carroll era is over. I'm getting my own players, my
own culture here, and I'm not we're gonna get an
(08:53):
offensive line. We're gonna be about defense. We're gonna be
about like what I was at in Baltimore or Michigan
before that, where we're gonna play team football and it's
not going to just be about the quarterback. And I
think they're, you know, in the midst of reorganizing their
their organization here.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It's kind of interesting. Slash may be sad to look
at what happened to the Niners, like what could have
been Now we talk about windows of opportunity. You're good
friends with the head coach of the Niners that they're
saying goodbye to good players. Still have some headliners there,
But what's the future the immediate future of the Niners.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I'm glad to see they're doing it right. You got
to you gotta take a step back or rip the
band aid off every now and then and start new,
or take a step back to get two or three
steps forward.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
And I think that's where they are.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
They couldn't go on with the current rate of what
they were doing right, I've made I've had a lot
of fun with this on my pod and with Florio
on PFT. I mean, just think about it. I mean,
their roster, the amount of money they have spent, the
people they have on there, the high end guys, how
can you how can that be sustainable? They have a
top five paid receiver in football, and they had Deebo Samuel,
(10:03):
which was you know up there. They have a top
three paid tight end in football. They have the number
two paid running back in football. They have the top
paid left tackle in football. They have to pay Rock Party.
They have, uh, Fred Warner, who's a top three linebacker,
Nick Bosa, top three defensive player in general, Lemonnor, They're
they're nickelback, top paid nickelback in football. So you just
(10:27):
eventually the rooster comes home to roost or something like
that along those lines, you know what I'm trying to say.
And the pied piper is here, so they got to
just clean the checkbook here and start new uh. And yeah,
that team we saw to go to four NFC championships and.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Two Super Bowls, it's over. They're they're starting a new era.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
There around of applause for Chris Simms. That's what they
call those sims isms. I know you don't watch my
Sims show all that much, but I seem to combine
and confuse a lot of sayings. Right if you read
between the tea leaves, that's a pretty good one on
my podcast or my show a lot of the time.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Right, I'm famous for that.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Davante Adams to the Rams. But let me talk about
Cooper Cup's market, because they're it looks like they're going
to release him. Uh Is he a third receiver for somebody? Now?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I think that's what it is, right. I don't like
saying that. I like Cooper Cup. He's still got gas
in the tank. But I mean he's the number two
receiver with the Rams and they don't want him, and
they don't have many receivers, so I think, doesn't that
tell you something.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well, they don't want to invent that price?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Well, they exactly right, but yet they brought somebody else
in for the same price to take his spot, right
or a little bit more?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Well, who would you rather have, Davante Adams Orpah.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Devonte Adams? I would Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I think a little bit between the injuries, right, getting
up there in age not separating quite the same way.
I think the perfect world for him is to be, yeah,
you know a two really slash three where he could
go and be the slot guy, right, he doesn't have
to get outside and beat the top corners in football
and Manda man Reid coverages run great routes tough over
(12:09):
the middle. That's where it makes sense for Cooper Cup.
But no, certainly I would take Devonte Adams over him
right now.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And Cooper Cup will end up with eighty catches with
the Chiefs necks.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Well, it could be exactly right, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
He'll find a spot where a team values that slot
receiver who is smart and runs option routes the right way.
And I wouldn't be shocked to see him have a
little second wind of his career like we saw Adam
Feln when he went from Minnesota to Carolina, who still
looks pretty damn good.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Tom Brady, you think pulled the trigger on the Geno
Smith deal.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I think he gives him the final vote of confidence one. Hey,
Pete Carroll right, he's got history with Gino Smith, so
he likes that. But I think I think where I
and again this I kind of tweeted this out on
Friday night or whatever night it went down that I
think this was a look of Tom Brady going on.
I don't know if we want other quarterbacks not named
(13:03):
cam Ward at number six. Let's just go with a
guy that we know can play, is a little bit
better than people realize, and you trust them, Pete, and
he can start and jumpstart your culture in the locker
room and convey your messages to those guys that way.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I certainly think Tom Brady had a saying that, no question.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, And if I look at this from ten thousand feet,
it feels like Brady says, I need somebody that I
can at least show up every Sunday and trust that
he'll go out right and he'll play quality football. He
also has Rock Bowers. If they go after Ashton Genty
and you got Max Crosby, okay, now you have some
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entertainment here. Now you at least can be competitive in
your own division with those other quarterbacks. And if you've
got Schudor Sanders, I don't think he was going to
start right away. You're not gonna get cam Ward, so
you get somebody they don't. I thought maybe they get
Sam Darnold. But you know that'll tell you what yea, Yeah,
Tom thought of the situation that give me the guy
(14:02):
that I know is proven a little bit more over
time than what we've seen with Sam.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
That's right. Let alone. The head coach knows him right, Yeah,
so that's good. That's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
The head coach, I doubt wants a rookie quarterback, right
Pete Carroll knows he's not there for seven years. He's
probably going damn. I might got two three fourth the most,
So I need somebody that can hit the ground running
doing all that. And then I think, yes, Brady's seeing
it like you're saying, or like I'm saying, he's going,
damn this guy. Hey, he'll push the ball down the field.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
He moves better than people realize. Yeah, he's got a
little experience. He sees the field and damn, his arm's powerful.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
He can he can.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Be sexy and exciting that way. And why we do
that and all the things you mentioned. Ad buys Brady
time and the team time to figure out what they
want to do big picture, long term for the quarterback,
because eventually Brady's gonna figure it out as long as
they're in a position to where they can get a
quarterback that makes sense. I mean, come on, Brady knows
how to evaluate the position. He knows the throwers when
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he sees, he knows good decision makers, and I have
no question he'll get that right eventually.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Have you hung out with Brady socially?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Not really hung out? No? No, not really?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
When New England.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, I was around a lot and around him, and
you know, I had to hand them stuff all the time,
and you know, I was always handing them papers and
at the time I was always like, hey, Tom, we
got to get like, we're wasting like half of the
Brazilian and Giselle's home country rainforest with all this stuff
we're printing out every day.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Let's save the world and go to like the tablet
so the iPad of it. What was your next year
it happened?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
What was your job in New England?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Do whatever they say? Boy, that's what I loved. I mean,
that's yeah. I was quality control.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I had some things involved in scouting, uh and whatever
they yelled at me to do next, That's that was
my job.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
But how did it feel though? When Tom says, hey, oh,
did you hear Tom's getting all the guys together and
go out and have beers and then you weren't that far.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Then I wasn't invited right.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, one, he was like, what, he's not allowed out
of his shackles, so they're not letting him out of
his dungeon up there. But but no, of course that
was a tough transition period.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
In general.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I'm sitting there just getting done playing football, going, damn,
I'm better than some of these guys in the league.
I can't believe this right, and yeah, I'd seen him
and some of the other guys of the team, like, yeah,
I wish I could hang out with him. I wish
I could go hang with Brady right now. I really
love Tom Brady as a guy. I know I've been
on him about to flight gate, There's no doubt about that,
and I won't back down from that. But everything else
(16:35):
about Tom Brady I thoroughly admire. I admired my time
with him, his work ethic and.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Hey, what is you about the flate that he did
it and didn't admit me? Yeah, exactly, But you know what,
it's a stupid rule.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Well it's not a stupid rule. I'll disagree with you there.
Then then then let the kids. Then let my homes
throw a college football and see what you think about that.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
From his feet.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
You get to you get the ball that you want,
and then I get the ball that I want.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I know, but if you but because if you let
me take air out of the football, my arm will
go up exponentially and I'll be able to control it
and doing things that I wouldn't be able to do
if the ball was inflated properly.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
It's the big deal.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
We're giving you an advantage. I get an advantage, I
get the ball that I want. We do this with kickers,
why not with quarterbacks? It's silly.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Well, at some point there has to be a baseline
for everybody has to do the same thing. So in basketball,
do we want to some of the guys aren't shooting
as good, should we tell them to lower the basket?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Or some of the guys don't run as fast? Should
we tell some of the faster guys to slow down?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
In the NFL, offense gets their own football. We're not
talking about lowering a rim.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
That's not No. I want something that's a It's a
sport of.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Rules and what we do when we play with the
ball that's the same size. What sport does that go to?
Sound like old man baseballs? Hey use a metal baseball
bat this time up? Who cares?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
I mean, we'll let you use metal bats today to
the US use.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Only two people who are affected by this, the quarterbacks.
That's all a couple of psiys.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
No, the quarterbacks, it does, and yes it would affect.
It's gonna help. It's gonna help people who catch the ball.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It's gonna help the running backs and everybody else that
has to grab the ball and not fumble the ball
as much because it's.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Not properly inflated, so now you can squeeze it to death.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yes, you you're like your old man.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
I'm just the realist dude you've ever met. I'm just sorry.
That's just the way it is.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Good to talk about.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
No other than that. Brady's awesome. And and what Brady
did show.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Us is that two weeks later in Super Bowl forty nine,
he could throw lasers all over the field. And that's
why I was mad at that, because I was like,
you don't need that, you're the man, that's all.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
That was my point.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
You know, Aaron Rodgers over inflated footballs.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Hey listen, if you want to make it harder on yourself,
go ahead. I mean no, he told me that he
over inflated. Nobody got upset about because everybody would go,
that's a disadvantage. Nobody in football would go put a
bigger object in. It had to be to make it.
It had to be an advantage for him to overinflate it.
I mean, he must have just liked how it felt
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in his hand, right, that would be the big thing.
But I don't think you're gonna find a common consensus
of quarterbacks through the history of time. They're gonna go
make the ball bigger and heavier, and I'll throw it bedroom.
Aaron Rodgers is a freak of nature, right, He's got
gigantic hans and he's arguably the greatest arm ever. And
why do you gotta do this to me? Why'd you
ever bring me down this lane with Brady and all this?
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Now I gonna hear this crap again. Brady's the man.
Get off his back, Get off my back, Get off
my lawn. That's what she should be saying.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Chris.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
All right, guys say it.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
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in America. Look, Tom Lied, that's all. That's a silly rule.
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Speaker 2 (21:01):
He's the head coach of the Auburn Tigers, his eleventh
year there. He's Bruce Pearl. It was six years ago
in Minneapolis. I had you in studio. You had your
team in the Final four, and I said to Paulie
I'm going to make Bruce Pearl cry that day, and
you did shed a tear a light tier, but I
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got you to cry.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Hi Bruce, Hi Dan? Who are you?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I'm great. I'm not going to try to make you
cry this time.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
You know, of all your great accomplishments over the course
of your career, I hope my shedding a teer isn't
one of them.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
It was just a goal to see if I could,
you know, bring out that emotion. Because you're an emotional guy.
You say you cry a lot. I don't know if
you've cried the last two games that you love lost.
You know, no offense here the timing of this, but
you know, when's the last time you cried.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Let's see, I probably cried after we'd be Kentucky at
RUP and won the championship. I'd say, I would say probably.
You know, I'm pretty passionate. You talk about family, talk
about the Lord, you know, talk about the blood, sweat
and tears that go into all the things that it
takes to win a championship. In other words, just like
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putting up with me and my expectations, my accountability, my
you know, my my temper. I'm grateful grateful, uh and
blessed and did not cry after we lost to tex
A and m and Alabama because we've lost four games.
We've lost to Duke and John Shire at john Shire Duke,
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we lost to Todd Golden at Florida, and those that
those had been the only two losses we had had
for a long time. And and and so for a while,
I could say, like, the only coaches in the country
that I'm willing to lose to are Jewish coaches John Sharon,
Todd Bolden, Like, if you're not Jewish, I'm not losing
to you. We Jews don't like to lose very often,
in case you haven't noticed, with I'm Israel co And
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but then Buzz Williams came in ran you know, fourteenth
in the country, and and then of course we lost
ton Oates. And I don't think either one of those guys,
you know for a temple.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Uh, Princey, would you check and see if they're the
other two coaches are Jewish? All right, thank you? Okay,
So why'd you cry after you lost or one at
Kentucky at rupp Arena.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Yeah, you know, I think just I guess the motion
of it all the the the being being, you know,
really really grateful. Dan. I think what we do as
we work in this this this ministry, or in this
thing about coaching, we are we are we are built
to win and compete for championship. We really truly do.
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And at the end of the day, there was a
championship that could be won. I didn't cry at the
when we beat when we when we won the Maui Invitational.
You know that that you know, that wasn't that wasn't
big enough. But I think because the league was so good,
and it was so hard, and every night you had
to kind of get ready and and and there were
a lot of upsets. Our my basketball team did not
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get upset very much at all. Uh And in the
sense that they beat a lot of people that were
supposed to beat. And uh I I probably just tried
it cried out of gratitude, gratefulness.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Who's the best player in college basketball this year?
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Well, I think jan I Broom is that it should
be the college player of the year because of all
that he's accomplished and and and all that he's able
to do for our team. Leads us and scoring and
rebounding and assists and and and and obviously stepped up
in the biggest games. I think Cooper Flag at Duke
is going to be if he's not the first player drafted,
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is gonna be one of the top player drafted. And
Cooper is an amazing player who plays so hard and
impacts the game so much. But what Auburn has done
this year through this league to have sixteen Quad one
wins has never been done before. That means on we
had twenty games against the Quad one. Now, when you're
playing a Quad one game, I don't care where you're
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ranked one through thirty five. Let's say we've got a
fifty five sixty percent chance of winning that game, even
if we're one, playing against the team that's twenty and
win sixteen of those out of twenty is just unprecedented,
and so therefore I feel like our best player is
the best player in college basketball.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Okay, let's say you're coaching Cooper Flag yep, and you
want him to come back for another year, but you
want him to realize he wants to come back for
another year, not you selfishly as a coach, how would
you go about trying to convince Cooper Flag to stay
one more year.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Well, first of all. I would only try to convince
him to do it if I truly felt like it
was in his best interests, not just in mind.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
And now you have seen the Washington Wizard's roster, Bruce.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Yes, I have it. Here's the one factor that I
would ask to consider him to consider Dan, you know
this because you've been doing this a long time. It's
not how much you make, it's how long you can
make it. That's the truth. And so the question for
Cooper Flagg would be what's the best position for you
to be in for your second and your third contract?
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And if there can be any discussion about the fact
that at eighteen or nineteen, when you are in position
at age twenty one, maybe to have to sign that
second big contract. You know, there's a difference between being
rich and being wealthy. People that are wealthy have made
it for a long time. And so that's the only
thing I would look at as far as what might
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be in his best interest is would waiting another year
put him in a better position to sign that second
and third contract that takes him from being rich to wealthy.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
He's only eighteen, that's right, crazy crazy.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
That would be the only factor we're.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Talking to Bruce Pearl, Auburn head coach. SEC Conference tournament
starts on Friday. We've talked about a variety of things.
The NBA has, you know, face of the NBA. Could
we get the non North America basketball players to play
against the you know, US based players in the All
Star Game? Like where do you see?
Speaker 5 (27:33):
You know?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
The globalization of basketball is the future in Europe and
other countries more so than it is in the United States.
If you consider I could probably give you seven or
eight of the top ten players in the game and
they're not from the United States.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Yeah, the game. I think the game is in great shape, Dan,
in the sense that worldwide it's really really popular. And
you're right, these international players, European players are playing the
game better than our guys have. One of the factors
has been just a skill level that they are brought
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up through a training program that isn't like high school,
AAU college, so on and so forth. At the same time,
your interest in our game and the college game has
never been better. Like the numbers that we're pulling for
the best, This is a tremendous regular season in college basketball,
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just even just the SEC. How many ranked teams against
ranked teams, and then how many of those games delivered
like the last two Saturdays in the SEC Alabama Tennessee overtime,
Auburn Alabama overtime, and the ratings are really good. I
don't know. I read a little bit about what's going
on with the NBA and what, but I couldn't tell
you why some of those numbers are down. But our
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numbers have never been stronger.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
But the talent level, I mean, they're young, they're you
know these guys, I mean jokers, what thirty or you know,
somewhere around there. But if you put in Giannis, you
put in Embid and you put in Luca Shay Gilgis,
you know from Canada, and maybe we go back to
the dream team that the Dream Team in ninety two
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sort of you know, birth this, they spawned all of this.
I'm just curious, does the does US basketball try to
model itself after, you know, instead of this AAU and
we've seen that basketball. It can be pretty ugly talented
but ugly feels like you know what Europe is doing
in other countries is they get you into a system,
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learn how to handle the ball, learn you know, the
fundamental be a big guy handle the ball on the perimeter,
like all of these things, feels like the US is
missing out on that opportunity.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Well, I think there are people that are in the
professional basketball in world basketball that are studying this very
factor right now. They're absolutely looking at it. You know.
The ext explanation I can have for it is the
age that they have these European kids starting to train
the specialization into, you know, the one particular sport. They
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don't have the same you know, rules as far as
how many hours you can or can't train, whether you're
a high school player and you can only practice a
certain amount of time, and certainly in college so and
so forth. You know. I think the other thing too,
the skill level right now is what is dominating our
sport in the sense that the men are so big
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and they're so strong, and they're so athletic that now
we're putting five guys out there on a perimeterive to
three point line and spreading the floor just so that
we have some space to be able to drive down
the lane and make place because nobody, hardly anybody is
putting a post player on the inside because there's just
no room for them. So side sometimes in some ways
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the size and the athleticism of the American player that
may have been a dominating force. Uh in basketball, it's
now no longer as as as as an important a
cog as the ability to spread the floor and have
the skills to be able to shoot and handle, which
is more akin to the European player.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Okay, but what would you do with Shack if he
was your center?
Speaker 6 (31:20):
Oh, I'd find a way. I have. I am Jani
broom right now, and and and and we're gonna find
ways to get him inside and and and and and
and and and run our offense accordingly. So oh no, no,
you give me Shack. His big ass is going on
the block, and good luck. The only way you're gonna
stop him is to hackershack him.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Who's the best player you recruited didn't get? But the
best player you you recruited?
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Wow? Well, you know it's interesting. Aj Devansta was somebody
that the kid, that young man is going to b yu. Uh.
He grew up in Boston and actually grew up in Brockton,
which is really a town outside of where I grew up.
And we got in early on him and and uh, guy,
he's got a great family, and and he he was
one of the highest rated players I think I've ever
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you know, not not gotten. Uh. Anthony Edwards maybe in
Atlanta would have been another one that that, you know,
that we worked on but didn't get there. There. There's
probably a long list of kids I finished second on,
but those are two probably pretty big names.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Tom Izzo said, Chris Weber made him cry because he
thought he was getting Chris Webber and then you lose
him to Michigan. That's painful.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Oh yeah, no, no, it's that. That definitely is. I
remember when Tom was an assistant for jud Heathcote and
they were playing old Jennison field House, and so I
don't know that Michigan State's program was in position when
Chris Webber was coming out out of Country Day High
School in UH in Detroit to pick Michigan State over
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uh Michigan, and tom Izzo hadn't quite done what he
what he done.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Now, Yeah, but he still had the magic Johnson era.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
That's great, and that's about I don't want to speak
to Michigan basketball history Michigan State basketball history, but the
perception of Michigan's program at that time was much stronger
than Michigan State.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
When where were you in your career when Burden magic
arrived on the scene in college basketball.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
I was just coming out of high school. I was
just starting at Boston College for doctor Tom Davis, starting
to be a manager and and work in the industry.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
So you're a lifer. You're a lifer, aren't you.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
I was at BC in nineteen seventy eight before the
Big East was born. I saw Dave Gavitt, you get
that thing started. Doctor Tom Davis in the job he
did at Boston College goes way under the radar because
of you know, Louis Carnoseca and John Thompson, really mess Amino,
you know, just Jim Beaheim and and Yukon and all.
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And we were at BC kind of doing great. In
those early early years of the Big East. They almost
took holy Cross. Boston College had to write a fifty
thousand dollars check in the athletic director Bill Flint at
the time wasn't sure that was going to be a
good enough investment. Had to get a door named Bernie
Plansky to write that check. Otherwise holy Cross would have
been in the Big East and now the CC not
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Boston College.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Wow, who do you get mistaken for in public? Uh?
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Sometimes uh, Lou Farigno, like the incredible, incredible, the Green
Monster that back when I when I was a little bigger,
not anymore. Every now and then Greg Brady remember Brady Bons,
we had the afro a little bit of that. Hey hey,
and a really good day thirty forty years ago.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Tom Jones, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, if women start
throwing their underwear at you at an Auburn game, like
you know, Tom Jones in I'm thinking a little bit
of Jeff Garland from curb your enthusiasm, like Larry David's
good buddy, like like a smaller verb maybe just the face, uh,
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and and your voice you could be you know, Jeff Garland.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
I've gotten a lot, a lot great you know, coaches,
we do agent Doggie.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Years, you know, are you okay? Coaching seems to be
the fun easier part than the n I L and
the recruiting.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Is that fair?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Yeah? Coaching because coaching is still you know, teaching and
and and and and developing and and and the gym
and the ball and and uh look I like N
I L. Dan, because we're way overdue. Thank God for
n I L. For you, for me, and and it
would make this country great. And obviously the numbers that
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these kids are getting right now tells you how late
the n C double A was. Yeah, recognizing the value
of these student athletes. Now, listen, there's no right now,
there are no rules. There are no regulations. We gotta
find so we gotta we go. If we're gonna have
a national champion, then then we truly need to be
playing more by the same rules. They play more by
the same rules in Major League Baseball, in the NFL
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and the NBA right now than we are on college
and we are trying to figure it out. There needs
to be bipartisan support in Washington, d C. To try
to find a way to bring this great college system
back while we're able to compensate the student athletes, you know,
wait for what they're worth. But there's gotta be some guardrails.
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Senator Ted Cruz has got legislation right now. But you
know how Washington, d C. Is completely dysfunctional, and if
the Republicans wanted, the Democrats won't. We got to find
a way to bring it to be able to have
the intercollegiate system what we do and still compensate our
student athletes, and I think that's the best way of
doing it. Right now, we're we're just putting band aids
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on it and we're all trying to navigate it.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Great to talk to you on the success. Hopefully you
don't run into a Jewish head coach of the rest
of the season. But thank you for joining us.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
Always a pleasure, Dan, and thanks for not making me cry.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
All right, this time that's Bruce Pearl Friday SEC Tournament.
They will get underway. Opponent to be determined.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Wapp Lewis Riddick for the Mothership ESPN College Football, NFL
analyst and a former front office executive with the Eagles
and Washington All right, instant replay came into our world
on this day in nineteen eighty six. Has instant replay
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been good for sports or bad?
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Look?
Speaker 8 (37:54):
I think it's been both. And I know that sounded
like a little bit of a cop out, right. I
think you you want to maintain as much of the
human element the game as possible. You don't want to
slow it down too much. You don't want to have
it be a constant barade of replays. But you know what,
when there are game changing plays games, I mean, plays
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that can really just really substantially affect the outcome, and
you know that they are blatantly missed, I think that's
when replay, when it gets it right in those kinds
of situations, I think that's good for the game because
I think ultimately that's what we all want. We want
to you know, we want the right teams to win
by abiding by the rules and the teams to be punished.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
That don't abide by the rules. So it's you're never then.
Speaker 8 (38:38):
I don't think you're ever going to have like one
hundred percent consensus of whether or not replay is good
good the game or not, because as soon as you
start there's too many replays, people start complaining about the
fact that it's slowing down the game, And you know what,
just let the ref ref And then as soon as
ref's miss and as soon as the refs miss.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
A call, it's like, which which league.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
Do the ref suck more? Is it an NBA or
is it the n Is it the script? Are these
games rigged. Is Grogoral Goodell trying to protect Patrick Mahomes
blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
No one's ever happy. That's kind of like the world
we live in right now.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, I was always bothered it came in as instant replay.
Then they changed it to replay because it was an
instant So that was one of my big problems. All right,
let me you. You worked in two front offices. You
worked with the Eagles in Washington. I'm going to put
you in the Steelers' front office. Yeah, you decide who's
going to be your quarterback between Russell Wilson Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 8 (39:31):
I would look, I would I would go with with
Aaron because I said all along, I believe the organization
needs him. He needs this kind of organization. I think
at this point in his career. What's my rationale for that?
Why do they need him? Pittsburgh needs to level up somehow.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Some way at quarterback. They just do. They have been
stuck in this kind of like mid range, mid tier.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
Mode of operating at that position and figured as though
Michael Tomlin could coach his way around that the defense
could create enough turnovers to get around that they could
run the ball well enough to get around it. They
could play renegade enough to where they would create some
kind of magic in the stadium and that would be enough.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
And it's not enough.
Speaker 8 (40:12):
They've got to level up somehow, and that's either through veteran,
the veteran market, or the draft where they're drafting right now.
Is it possible for them to still get someone late
in the first round that could wind up helping them
at the position.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Yeah, I believe that there is.
Speaker 8 (40:25):
But when we're just talking about free agency, Aaron levels
up for them. He just does with his knowledge, which
I would. I still think he has left in the
gas tank as far as his ability to play the
game and how he could help this offense, in particular
the passing.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Game become more dynamic. He will need to abide by a.
Speaker 8 (40:44):
Much more rigid structure in Pittsburgh and not think that
he can come in there and bring in all of
his buddies bringing got you there, and pick and pick
his offensive coordinator and call the plays that he wants
all the time and like basically run the show. He's
not running the show and he doesn't really need to
at this point, and I wouldn't. I would and trust
him to do that anyway, and Mike's not gonna let
him do that, and Arthur Smith's not gonna let him
do that. So I think he needs to just focus
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on playing ball, coming back the second year off of
this Achilles and actually going out the way he wants
to go out and have people look at him the way.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
He wants people to look at him. And Pittsburgh needs
the level up.
Speaker 8 (41:16):
So yeah, I think it's a I think it's a
good combination on the surface. Now, we don't know how
Mike feels about that, we don't know how Arthur Smith
feels about that. We don't know how DK Metcalf and
George Pickens are going to react Aaron Rodgers getting in
their rear end about not doing things the right way.
There's a lot of things that still would have to
be worked out, but that's that's that's the same The
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same thing is true with every free agent transaction. There's
always going to be things to work out.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
But then, does Russ in the Game of Musical Chairs
end up with the Giants?
Speaker 5 (41:47):
Probably? He probably does.
Speaker 8 (41:49):
And you know what I think, Look, I think both
of these guys at this point in time in their
career are bridge players. It's just a matter of whether
or not that's a one year bridge or a multiple
year bridge.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
In Pittsburgh, it could be a multiple year bridge for.
Speaker 8 (42:01):
Aaron because they don't have a they're not really in
position to get what we would term as a surefire
long term solution given where they're where they're drafting. So
he may be going into he can be possibly going
into a situation there where he could extend this thing
to two, maybe.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
Three years, if he wanted to play that long.
Speaker 8 (42:18):
If you're in if you're in New York, you know
for sure, Russell Wilson, that being Russell Wilson, knows for
sure that as soon as he walks in there, he's
already on the clock. They're already thinking about what the
next option is. Then it may be this year, who knows,
but they may think, hey, you know what, we'll sit Pat,
we'll play with Russ for a year, We'll draft Travis Spunter.
Maybe we'll move down, who knows, Maybe we'll accumulate some
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more picks and continue to try and build out this roster,
which is you know what, I'll tell you what I know.
It sounds like I'm gonna be ranting here a little bit,
but that that's probably one of the most annoying things
for me to hear at this time of year.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
All the times, let's trade down.
Speaker 8 (42:50):
And get more picks and build up the roster and
then just plug in the quarterback like you need to
pick one off of my grandma's cherry tree and plug
him in there.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
But that may be what they're thinking.
Speaker 8 (43:00):
I don't know if I'm Joe Shane right now, though
I'm Brian da Ball, I'm thinking I need to win
some games, man, and I need to win them this year.
So that's what makes this time of year so fun
to see how these teams ultimately wind up constructing the roster,
who they getting, and how it pans out.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
In New York. There's gonna be no team you talk
about more next year than the Giants, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
And we have a bet on the show the uh
will there be more running backs than quarterbacks? Taken in
the first.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
Guys talking about that? All right, that's a good one.
What do you think I think it will be running backs?
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Months ago of GM who I respect A Ton said, look,
this is the best year I've seen for running backs
since I've been a general manager.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
He's been a general manager for a little bit.
Speaker 8 (43:42):
Now, and he's someone who really does do a good
job of evalue.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
Waiting that position in particular. And I agree.
Speaker 8 (43:48):
I've seen a bunch of these guys in person this year,
and when you start watching the tape, you have guys
who are big, strong, powerful dudes, and you've got some
guys who are kind of like Jamier Gibbs. I don't
want to say scout Back type dudes, but guys were
real electric in terms of their ability to stop starting
go seventy eighty on you.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
And even the big dudes can do that. I mean,
you look at a Marion Hampton, you start thinking Joe Mixon.
Speaker 8 (44:09):
I mean you, I'm sitting there watching him and I'm going, damn,
is that Joe Mixon in a North Carolina uniform? And
then you look at Ashton and I'm telling you people,
you know, people think I'm crazy.
Speaker 5 (44:18):
I'm going, that's EMITTT. Smith with better speed. That's what
it is. That's what that is.
Speaker 8 (44:23):
Now watch Brashard Smith from SMU. I'm sitting there going
if that ain't Engineer Gibbs, I don't know who is.
There's all kinds man, there's all kinds and if you need,
if you're if you need a back this year, I
mean you may not take him in the top ten,
top fifteen, although I think Ashton deserves to.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
Go that high.
Speaker 8 (44:40):
I think you will see this will be a heavy
year for backs going in the first round, top of
a second for sure, and once that run starts, there's
gonna be people just picking them off, for sure.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Lewis Riddick part of ESPN's ongoing NFL free agent coverage.
You can catch him with Adam Schefter and more today
on ESPN from three until five. You're sold on cam
Ward going as the number one, number one quarterback? Are
you sold that Shador Sanders is a first round quarterback?
Speaker 5 (45:08):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (45:09):
I am top fifteen, he's a top half of the
first round.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
Okay, he's a top half.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
But where where is this negativity coming from? And I
like it's on the field and then a little bit
off the field with how he interviewed with one coach
at the combine. It feels like it was a smear
campaign because once it happened that all of a sudden,
it's boom, everybody kind of jumped on this.
Speaker 8 (45:35):
Why of course, look they've been trying to people have
been at this game, so to speak, of trying to
talk certain prospects down for years.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
Dion is a lightning rod. That's where it starts. It
doesn't even start with Shador.
Speaker 6 (45:50):
This is about.
Speaker 8 (45:51):
This starts with his father and then it just trickles
down to him, and it starts with his father. It's
been that way since I played with Deon back in
nineteen ninety two in Atlanta. People don't like flashy guys
like that who can back it up.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
They just don't. They don't like people who are strong, confident.
You know.
Speaker 8 (46:08):
It's funny, like we love it, but then with some
people we don't love. With Dion, he's always been a
polarizing player to the people who don't know him. If
you know him personally, you would be like, I get
it and I love it, Give me.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
More of it. With Shador, he has some of his
father in him. There's no question. How could he not.
He's the man.
Speaker 8 (46:28):
I mean, he's the man's son, and so a lot
of it comes from who he is and what his
last name is. Now, as far as him individually, why
do they pick at him on the field.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Does he have cam Ward's arm?
Speaker 8 (46:41):
No? Do you need cam Ward's arm? Do you need
John Elway's arm? Do you need Josh Allen's arm? In
order to play high level winning football in the NFL?
Speaker 5 (46:49):
No, But at this time of.
Speaker 8 (46:50):
Year we always fall back to those baseline, those baseline
levels in terms of like evaluating quarterbacks and saying, well,
if you don't have a rocket army, you can't play.
If you don't run four four like Lamar and can
create outside of structure and throw the ball and switch
it to your left hand like Patrick Mahomes, you can't play.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
You're either a Hall of Famer or you suck.
Speaker 8 (47:08):
And that's what it always comes down to this time
of your quarterbacks, there is no in between, and that
quite honestly, I think that that discussion stems from the
fact that I don't know if people really ever know
what the hell they really think about quarterbacks because it's
such a dependent position and it's so hard to get
your arms around it.
Speaker 5 (47:26):
Shador is very smart. He can process like hell.
Speaker 8 (47:29):
He's a good leader, he's got good feet in the pocket,
he throws a great ball, he has a lot of anticipation.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
And he's tough as hell. He got the crap bait
at him in at Colorado.
Speaker 8 (47:39):
Ye, I was at games and calling games where I'm
sitting there looking at Dion, who is like pleading with
this son throw the ball away or pleading with officer coordinator,
run the ball.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
My son's getting murdered out here.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
He'll be fine, They'll be just Daniel Jones just signed
with the Colts.
Speaker 6 (48:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Is he going in thinking he gets to compete for
that job?
Speaker 5 (48:05):
There's no question.
Speaker 8 (48:06):
I mean, why else would you switch teams at this
point considering what you have in Minnesota in terms of
the weapons that they have, the coaching staff. And I'm
not taking anything away from Shane Stichen because a lot
of respect for shame. Daniel Jones is looking for an
opportunity to really compete, to play, and you're not going
to tell me otherwise that the people in Indianapolis didn't
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tell him that you are going to have a chance
to compete. We want somebody to push Anthony and if
you beat him out, you beat him out, simple as that.
That isn't happening in Minnesota. They are trying to get
JJ ready to play this year. They're not going to
force it, but they're trying to get him ready to play.
The way he looked the last offseason and the way
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he looked in the first preseason game against the Raiders,
told you, this kid's developmental arc is going to go
straight up. There's a reason why they drafted him tenth. Overall,
it reminds me a little bit of the way Kansas
City was to bring along Patrick when they had Alex
Smith there. The only thing that derailed things is that
he got hurt, is that JJ got hurt. Daniel knows
that he was there every day. He knows how they
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feel about him. He knows he doesn't really have a
chance to start there.
Speaker 5 (49:13):
If j JJ's n's fine, it's over.
Speaker 8 (49:17):
That's why you went to Indy. And if I'm Anthony
Richardson right now, what I'm really interested to see is
how he responds Dan to this. How does he respond?
It's gonna be I hate it for the kid. It's
gonna be so hard for him to ever shake the
stigma that's gonna follow him, the story that's gonna follow
him because of that one decision he made down there
in Houston.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
How many years did you play defensive back?
Speaker 5 (49:41):
Seven?
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Okay, how many? Give me the number of quarterbacks that
actually made you nervous. I don't want to stay scared.
Speaker 5 (49:50):
You can say scared.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Who scared you? When you go, oh my god, we're
playing him.
Speaker 8 (49:58):
John Elway because he had TD with him, had Rod Smith,
had Shannon Sharp, offensive line, had Tom Nalan, Mark Schlair,
Dan Neil Tony Jones, and that that play action passing
game was just so ridiculously good. That was a year
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the TD went for two thousand and it was just like,
as a safety, I was like, I know, I got
to get up here and support this run because when
this guy starts going downhill, it's over, and these linemen
start getting up on it's over. And I did that
one time early in the game in el Way pulled
that thing out of there and launched it.
Speaker 5 (50:38):
And I'm telling you, in mid play, you can tell
I can tell you. You can already guess the words
that were coming out of my mouth.
Speaker 8 (50:43):
Oh oh yeah, all of them, f words everything.
Speaker 6 (50:47):
The thing.
Speaker 8 (50:48):
The only thing that saved me, honestly was Charles Woodson
was the corner and he broke the play up and
I remember jogging back to the huddle and I was like,
and he was, hey, you know, but yeah, l Way, Marino,
I got to play against Danny when he was when
he had Mark Duper and Mark Clayton and Keith Jackson
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and those guys down in Miami.
Speaker 5 (51:11):
He came out, first play of the game.
Speaker 8 (51:14):
He comes out and he was standing there at the
line and he looks at me and he winked, and
I went, what.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
Does that mean? Does he mean? Does that mean I
found my guy?
Speaker 6 (51:30):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (51:30):
You know, hail to Pitt?
Speaker 4 (51:31):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (51:32):
Man? But yeah, those dudes were Steve.
Speaker 8 (51:36):
Oh you know what I would be It would be
disrespectful for me to dismiss Steve Young, Steve when he
was when they were in San Francisco. I played against
him when I was in when I was in Atlanta,
and when I was in Cleveland. They had it rolling
at that time, Dan, I mean they had it rolling.
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Steve was so mobile and so fast, and Brent Jones
was so crafty, and they had Jerry and they had
John Taylor and Ricky Waters and it.
Speaker 5 (52:07):
Was just like, I mean, it was a come on,
this isn't fair. It's not fair. So yeah, I got
to play against some great ones, man.
Speaker 8 (52:14):
I mean, so much respect for those guys where you
literally were like I can't make a mistake.
Speaker 5 (52:19):
I can't. And even if you and even if you
were perfect, sometimes it just didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Always great to spend time. I know it's a busy
time for you, but thanks for carving out. Of course
a few minutes, buddy always man.
Speaker 5 (52:31):
Thanks
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Chris.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host, and you can
see him on Football Night in America. Give me the
head scratcher there, of all the moves, all the different signings, Well.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Uh okay, I mean, I don't know if I got
head scratchers.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I got one that surprised me.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I think the one that surprises me, maybe more than
any is I did not think I would be sitting
here Tuesday, after the first day of free agency uttering
the words j C. Horn highest paid dB in NFL history. Right,
that one was a little surprising to me.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Good player.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I get that, been injured a lot during his career.
I know they need good defensive players there in Carolina.
That was an issue, right, But they're paying him like
he's Pat certain or Sauce Gardner, and he's certainly not
that and hasn't been able to stay in the field
that way.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
That to me was a surprising one.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Again, I'm never gonna get mad at a team for
signing a guy they like, they drafted, they see potential in.
But I didn't think, again, it was gonna to be
the highest paid dB in the history of football that
was that was surprising, and a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Of attention goes to the quarterbacks, and rightfully so, but
this feels like this is the stock up on offensive
and defensive lineman where it's not going to get headlines,
but it's going to win you games. It's going to
get you into the playoffs, it's going to help somebody
win a super Bowl? Is there?
Speaker 5 (01:21):
That's right?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah? But is there a move that was let's non
skill level that you would go, wow, that's a big
upgrade or that that'll be a big difference for this team.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, there's two teams that jump out and they have
a number of moves, right and the one you were
kind of you were just making fun of a little bit,
right with Milton Williams.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
But again, Dan, it's like, the.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
First thing I gotta say is this is how good
the Eagles are. That they're an all star team. This
as good of a team as we've seen in a long,
long time. Right, They're so good they stashed a guy
that were paying seventeen million dollars a year, was the
top free agent free agent pass rusher in last year's draft,
and they said just sit on the bench.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
We're we could just we'll keep you there.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So I knew and thought all along and said this
yesterday that Milton Williams between the Cardinals and Jonathan Geddon
who was in Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Of course Carolina got involved. That was a big deal.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
But further along with what they did there in New England,
not only the Milton Williams trade, but to get carl
are signing.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Get to get Carlton Davis, who is still.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
A damn good corner, and now you got opposite of him,
Christian Gonzalees. So you got two guys on the outside
that can shut people down. And Harold Landry, who vrabel
had history within Tennessee, is.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Still a really really good football player.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
So I look at some of those moves and even
the Morgan Moses move offensive tackle as going wow, like
you're saying in the trenches, quality signings there. The Patriots
certainly improved their team in a big way yesterday. Them
and the Bears, I thought, really were the ones that
jumped out to me more than others.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
If you're Aaron Rodgers and you have your choice of
the into the Steelers, yeah, it's it's Steelers.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
It is us.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
It's the Steelers are at least or Mike Tomlins on
more solid ground I believe than you know, Brian Dabull
or Joe Shane. Right, So there's that aspect. You certainly
can look at the Steelers and go, wait, this is
a team that's been in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
They get to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, they're one and done, right, but uh, they're doing
some things a little differently there. They're making some drastic moves.
What they traded for DK Metcalf and paid them all
this money. They usually don't do that type of stuff.
We know that their defense, they got some disruptors and
some playmakers there.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I think that one there.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
You know, if it's apples to apples, there's no doubt
the Pittsburgh Steelers would be the team for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That means Russell Wilson to the Giants.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I don't know what it means for the Giants. That
doesn't excite me very much. See the other thing that
I think we're seeing going on right here, you know,
good players in free agency, all the movement the free
agent player there wasn't a big time market this year, right,
or at least high end players. So we saw a
lot of guys get re signed at the last second,
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trades like DK Metcalf and some other ones out there.
And then the other thing that's jumped out to me
this weekend is I think the NFL is telling you
they don't like the draft, the quarterback draft, right, anybody
not named cam Ward. I think everybody's a little bit
like Eh.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I like him, but I don't know if I love
him right that.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
That's the feeling I'm getting, at least by the signals
out there.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So yeah, the Giants, the options are limited.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I don't know what they do there, but it seems
like we're getting to the spot here where there'll be
more and more pressure on them to take a quarterback
at number three.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You just think cam Ward is the only guy who
grades out to maybe be a starter right away.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Cam Ward is.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I haven't come out with my rankings yet, but I've
said this on my pot He's definitely the number one quarterback.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
That's not debatable.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
This will be a year where I have a hard
time thinking all thirty two teams will be in consensus
that that is the number one guy is worthy of
being the number one pick. Cam Ward, to me, would
be in the conversation with Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels
as the top quarterbacks in last year's draft. I think
he's worthy of that. I had Bo Nick's number three.
I think if I was gonna be fair, I'd probably
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would have cam Ward in front of him if it
was back into those times, even though I love bo Nicks,
don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
So yeah, I look at it that way.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And then where I look at like Shador Sanders and
Jackson Dart, I feel like they would have been towards
the bottom of last year's list. But still I look
at Shador Standers and still goes starting caliber stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
First rounder.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I don't love all the crap he's getting, you know,
in Place is certainly not and there's a lot to
like about his film.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
The Jets Getting justin Fields. Yeah, holds your excitement.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Well.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I like the I like the move right because he
at least is going to go out. You know, if
he stays healthy, he at least can make some plays.
It's he can be interesting there. I think your expect
level is greatly reduced because it's justin fields, and that's right,
and maybe you can get eight or nine win like
maybe best case scenario, maybe Rogers I you know, we
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thought they could go to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I hear you, and I think you know, one on
top of that, you give you get justin fields that
type of contract what he got, that doesn't take you
out of the market for If Shador Sanders is there
for you to pick right and you want to take it,
you're now we're not going to be like Kirk Cousins
Michael Pennox and be like what why did they pay
him one hundred and fifty million dollars And now they're
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drafting the number seven quarterback That makes no sense. So
it does give them some wiggle room there. And then
I think on top of what you're saying, there is potential.
It's gotten better throwing the football. There still needs to
be more there. I mean, it's not you know what
you want as far as throwing the football out of
your starter in the NFL, but it's good. And then
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you got to get into playmaking. And then I also
think with like what you're saying, Aaron Glenn, He's going, wait,
I want a team here. I'm about a team. I
just came from Detroit. I want to run, I want
to play physical football. I got an awesome defense here.
That I'm gonna coach up and you make them even
more awesome, right, and he's gonna play team style of football.
And then, yes, this gives them wiggle room, buys them
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time to figure out what they want to do for
the quarterback of the future or Justin Fields ups his
game and shows us he's the quarterback of the future.
So from all that, it makes sense because I don't
think they want to be held hostage by Aaron Rodgers
and what he might have wanted to run the offense
and how he wanted things to look. And I get
it what the Jets are doing.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Chris Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host also unbuttoned
the Chris Sims podcast and a contributor to Football Night
in America. Would you rather have Sam Darnold or Geno Smith?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I would take Gino, all right, I would take Gino. Yeah,
I'm a Gino fan. I like Sam Darnold now, and
I mean it's it's close, right, it's close. But I
would take Gino. But also within that, Okay, if you
told me, wait, you can get Sam Donald for a
little less money and you can get a third round pick,
I might.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Go, well, I don't know, maybe I will tip.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
The scales swords Sam Donald then a little bit, and
I think that's what Seattle looked at it, like let alone.
I think Seattle's a little like, Hey, we know Gino
was in the Quarterback of the future. We know that,
and we're not necessarily Sam Donald is either, but we
like him. And I think the biggest thing here too,
Dan is Clint Kobiak. He had a full year right
with Sam Donald when he was in New Orleans, I
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mean San Francisco, So he knows what he's all about.
He's been there, he's coached him. Sam Donald's gonna be
able to know his offense quite you know, quite quickly there,
so that makes sense. And Mike McDonald, I think what
he's doing is he's kind of going, wait, the Pete
Carroll era is over. I'm getting my own players, my
own culture here, and I'm not we're gonna get an
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offensive line. We're gonna be about defense. We're gonna be
about like what I was at in Baltimore or Michigan
before that, where we're gonna play team football and it's
not going to just be about the quarterback. And I
think they're, you know, in the midst of reorganizing their
their organization here.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It's kind of interesting. Slash may be sad to look
at what happened to the Niners, like what could have
been Now we talk about windows of opportunity. You're good
friends with the head coach of the Niners that they're
saying goodbye to good players. Still have some headliners there,
But what's the future the immediate future of the Niners.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I'm glad to see they're doing it right. You got
to you gotta take a step back or rip the
band aid off every now and then and start new,
or take a step back to get two or three
steps forward.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
And I think that's where they are.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
They couldn't go on with the current rate of what
they were doing right, I've made I've had a lot
of fun with this on my pod and with Florio
on PFT. I mean, just think about it. I mean,
their roster, the amount of money they have spent, the
people they have on there, the high end guys, how
can you how can that be sustainable? They have a
top five paid receiver in football, and they had Deebo Samuel,
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which was you know up there. They have a top
three paid tight end in football. They have the number
two paid running back in football. They have the top
paid left tackle in football. They have to pay Rock Party.
They have, uh, Fred Warner, who's a top three linebacker,
Nick Bosa, top three defensive player in general, Lemonnor, They're
they're nickelback, top paid nickelback in football. So you just
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eventually the rooster comes home to roost or something like
that along those lines, you know what I'm trying to say.
And the pied piper is here, so they got to
just clean the checkbook here and start new uh. And yeah,
that team we saw to go to four NFC championships and.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Two Super Bowls, it's over. They're they're starting a new era.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
There around of applause for Chris Simms. That's what they
call those sims isms. I know you don't watch my
Sims show all that much, but I seem to combine
and confuse a lot of sayings. Right if you read
between the tea leaves, that's a pretty good one on
my podcast or my show a lot of the time.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Right, I'm famous for that.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Davante Adams to the Rams. But let me talk about
Cooper Cup's market, because they're it looks like they're going
to release him. Uh Is he a third receiver for somebody? Now?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I think that's what it is, right. I don't like
saying that. I like Cooper Cup. He's still got gas
in the tank. But I mean he's the number two
receiver with the Rams and they don't want him, and
they don't have many receivers, so I think, doesn't that
tell you something.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well, they don't want to invent that price?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Well, they exactly right, but yet they brought somebody else
in for the same price to take his spot, right
or a little bit more?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Well, who would you rather have, Davante Adams Orpah.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Devonte Adams? I would Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I think a little bit between the injuries, right, getting
up there in age not separating quite the same way.
I think the perfect world for him is to be, yeah,
you know a two really slash three where he could
go and be the slot guy, right, he doesn't have
to get outside and beat the top corners in football
and Manda man Reid coverages run great routes tough over
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the middle. That's where it makes sense for Cooper Cup.
But no, certainly I would take Devonte Adams over him
right now.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And Cooper Cup will end up with eighty catches with
the Chiefs necks.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Well, it could be exactly right, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
He'll find a spot where a team values that slot
receiver who is smart and runs option routes the right way.
And I wouldn't be shocked to see him have a
little second wind of his career like we saw Adam
Feln when he went from Minnesota to Carolina, who still
looks pretty damn good.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Tom Brady, you think pulled the trigger on the Geno
Smith deal.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I think he gives him the final vote of confidence one. Hey,
Pete Carroll right, he's got history with Gino Smith, so
he likes that. But I think I think where I
and again this I kind of tweeted this out on
Friday night or whatever night it went down that I
think this was a look of Tom Brady going on.
I don't know if we want other quarterbacks not named
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cam Ward at number six. Let's just go with a
guy that we know can play, is a little bit
better than people realize, and you trust them, Pete, and
he can start and jumpstart your culture in the locker
room and convey your messages to those guys that way.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I certainly think Tom Brady had a saying that, no question.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, And if I look at this from ten thousand feet,
it feels like Brady says, I need somebody that I
can at least show up every Sunday and trust that
he'll go out right and he'll play quality football. He
also has Rock Bowers. If they go after Ashton Genty
and you got Max Crosby, okay, now you have some
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entertainment here. Now you at least can be competitive in
your own division with those other quarterbacks. And if you've
got Schudor Sanders, I don't think he was going to
start right away. You're not gonna get cam Ward, so
you get somebody they don't. I thought maybe they get
Sam Darnold. But you know that'll tell you what yea, Yeah,
Tom thought of the situation that give me the guy
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that I know is proven a little bit more over
time than what we've seen with Sam.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
That's right. Let alone. The head coach knows him right, Yeah,
so that's good. That's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
The head coach, I doubt wants a rookie quarterback, right
Pete Carroll knows he's not there for seven years. He's
probably going damn. I might got two three fourth the most,
So I need somebody that can hit the ground running
doing all that. And then I think, yes, Brady's seeing
it like you're saying, or like I'm saying, he's going,
damn this guy. Hey, he'll push the ball down the field.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
He moves better than people realize. Yeah, he's got a
little experience. He sees the field and damn, his arm's powerful.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
He can he can.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Be sexy and exciting that way. And why we do
that and all the things you mentioned. Ad buys Brady
time and the team time to figure out what they
want to do big picture, long term for the quarterback,
because eventually Brady's gonna figure it out as long as
they're in a position to where they can get a
quarterback that makes sense. I mean, come on, Brady knows
how to evaluate the position. He knows the throwers when
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he sees, he knows good decision makers, and I have
no question he'll get that right eventually.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Have you hung out with Brady socially?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Not really hung out? No? No, not really?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
When New England.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, I was around a lot and around him, and
you know, I had to hand them stuff all the time,
and you know, I was always handing them papers and
at the time I was always like, hey, Tom, we
got to get like, we're wasting like half of the
Brazilian and Giselle's home country rainforest with all this stuff
we're printing out every day.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Let's save the world and go to like the tablet
so the iPad of it. What was your next year
it happened?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
What was your job in New England?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Do whatever they say? Boy, that's what I loved. I mean,
that's yeah. I was quality control.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I had some things involved in scouting, uh and whatever
they yelled at me to do next, That's that was
my job.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
But how did it feel though? When Tom says, hey, oh,
did you hear Tom's getting all the guys together and
go out and have beers and then you weren't that far.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Then I wasn't invited right.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, one, he was like, what, he's not allowed out
of his shackles, so they're not letting him out of
his dungeon up there. But but no, of course that
was a tough transition period.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
In general.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I'm sitting there just getting done playing football, going, damn,
I'm better than some of these guys in the league.
I can't believe this right, and yeah, I'd seen him
and some of the other guys of the team, like, yeah,
I wish I could hang out with him. I wish
I could go hang with Brady right now. I really
love Tom Brady as a guy. I know I've been
on him about to flight gate, There's no doubt about that,
and I won't back down from that. But everything else
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about Tom Brady I thoroughly admire. I admired my time
with him, his work ethic and.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Hey, what is you about the flate that he did
it and didn't admit me? Yeah, exactly, But you know what,
it's a stupid rule.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Well it's not a stupid rule. I'll disagree with you there.
Then then then let the kids. Then let my homes
throw a college football and see what you think about that.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
From his feet.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
You get to you get the ball that you want,
and then I get the ball that I want.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I know, but if you but because if you let
me take air out of the football, my arm will
go up exponentially and I'll be able to control it
and doing things that I wouldn't be able to do
if the ball was inflated properly.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
It's the big deal.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
We're giving you an advantage. I get an advantage, I
get the ball that I want. We do this with kickers,
why not with quarterbacks? It's silly.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Well, at some point there has to be a baseline
for everybody has to do the same thing. So in basketball,
do we want to some of the guys aren't shooting
as good, should we tell them to lower the basket?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Or some of the guys don't run as fast? Should
we tell some of the faster guys to slow down?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
In the NFL, offense gets their own football. We're not
talking about lowering a rim.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
That's not No. I want something that's a It's a
sport of.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Rules and what we do when we play with the
ball that's the same size. What sport does that go to?
Sound like old man baseballs? Hey use a metal baseball
bat this time up? Who cares?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
I mean, we'll let you use metal bats today to
the US use.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Only two people who are affected by this, the quarterbacks.
That's all a couple of psiys.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
No, the quarterbacks, it does, and yes it would affect.
It's gonna help. It's gonna help people who catch the ball.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It's gonna help the running backs and everybody else that
has to grab the ball and not fumble the ball
as much because it's.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Not properly inflated, so now you can squeeze it to death.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yes, you you're like your old man.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
I'm just the realist dude you've ever met. I'm just sorry.
That's just the way it is.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Good to talk about.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
No other than that. Brady's awesome. And and what Brady
did show.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Us is that two weeks later in Super Bowl forty nine,
he could throw lasers all over the field. And that's
why I was mad at that, because I was like,
you don't need that, you're the man, that's all.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
That was my point.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
You know, Aaron Rodgers over inflated footballs.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Hey listen, if you want to make it harder on yourself,
go ahead. I mean no, he told me that he
over inflated. Nobody got upset about because everybody would go,
that's a disadvantage. Nobody in football would go put a
bigger object in. It had to be to make it.
It had to be an advantage for him to overinflate it.
I mean, he must have just liked how it felt
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in his hand, right, that would be the big thing.
But I don't think you're gonna find a common consensus
of quarterbacks through the history of time. They're gonna go
make the ball bigger and heavier, and I'll throw it bedroom.
Aaron Rodgers is a freak of nature, right, He's got
gigantic hans and he's arguably the greatest arm ever. And
why do you gotta do this to me? Why'd you
ever bring me down this lane with Brady and all this?
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Now I gonna hear this crap again. Brady's the man.
Get off his back, Get off my back, Get off
my lawn. That's what she should be saying.
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Speaker 2 (21:01):
He's the head coach of the Auburn Tigers, his eleventh
year there. He's Bruce Pearl. It was six years ago
in Minneapolis. I had you in studio. You had your
team in the Final four, and I said to Paulie
I'm going to make Bruce Pearl cry that day, and
you did shed a tear a light tier, but I
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got you to cry.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Hi Bruce, Hi Dan? Who are you?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I'm great. I'm not going to try to make you
cry this time.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
You know, of all your great accomplishments over the course
of your career, I hope my shedding a teer isn't
one of them.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
It was just a goal to see if I could,
you know, bring out that emotion. Because you're an emotional guy.
You say you cry a lot. I don't know if
you've cried the last two games that you love lost.
You know, no offense here the timing of this, but
you know, when's the last time you cried.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Let's see, I probably cried after we'd be Kentucky at
RUP and won the championship. I'd say, I would say probably.
You know, I'm pretty passionate. You talk about family, talk
about the Lord, you know, talk about the blood, sweat
and tears that go into all the things that it
takes to win a championship. In other words, just like
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putting up with me and my expectations, my accountability, my
you know, my my temper. I'm grateful grateful, uh and
blessed and did not cry after we lost to tex
A and m and Alabama because we've lost four games.
We've lost to Duke and John Shire at john Shire Duke,
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we lost to Todd Golden at Florida, and those that
those had been the only two losses we had had
for a long time. And and and so for a while,
I could say, like, the only coaches in the country
that I'm willing to lose to are Jewish coaches John Sharon,
Todd Bolden, Like, if you're not Jewish, I'm not losing
to you. We Jews don't like to lose very often,
in case you haven't noticed, with I'm Israel co And
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but then Buzz Williams came in ran you know, fourteenth
in the country, and and then of course we lost
ton Oates. And I don't think either one of those guys,
you know for a temple.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Uh, Princey, would you check and see if they're the
other two coaches are Jewish? All right, thank you? Okay,
So why'd you cry after you lost or one at
Kentucky at rupp Arena.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Yeah, you know, I think just I guess the motion
of it all the the the being being, you know,
really really grateful. Dan. I think what we do as
we work in this this this ministry, or in this
thing about coaching, we are we are we are built
to win and compete for championship. We really truly do.
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And at the end of the day, there was a
championship that could be won. I didn't cry at the
when we beat when we when we won the Maui Invitational.
You know that that you know, that wasn't that wasn't
big enough. But I think because the league was so good,
and it was so hard, and every night you had
to kind of get ready and and and there were
a lot of upsets. Our my basketball team did not
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get upset very much at all. Uh And in the
sense that they beat a lot of people that were
supposed to beat. And uh I I probably just tried
it cried out of gratitude, gratefulness.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Who's the best player in college basketball this year?
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Well, I think jan I Broom is that it should
be the college player of the year because of all
that he's accomplished and and and all that he's able
to do for our team. Leads us and scoring and
rebounding and assists and and and and obviously stepped up
in the biggest games. I think Cooper Flag at Duke
is going to be if he's not the first player drafted,
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is gonna be one of the top player drafted. And
Cooper is an amazing player who plays so hard and
impacts the game so much. But what Auburn has done
this year through this league to have sixteen Quad one
wins has never been done before. That means on we
had twenty games against the Quad one. Now, when you're
playing a Quad one game, I don't care where you're
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ranked one through thirty five. Let's say we've got a
fifty five sixty percent chance of winning that game, even
if we're one, playing against the team that's twenty and
win sixteen of those out of twenty is just unprecedented,
and so therefore I feel like our best player is
the best player in college basketball.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Okay, let's say you're coaching Cooper Flag yep, and you
want him to come back for another year, but you
want him to realize he wants to come back for
another year, not you selfishly as a coach, how would
you go about trying to convince Cooper Flag to stay
one more year.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Well, first of all. I would only try to convince
him to do it if I truly felt like it
was in his best interests, not just in mind.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
And now you have seen the Washington Wizard's roster, Bruce.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Yes, I have it. Here's the one factor that I
would ask to consider him to consider Dan, you know
this because you've been doing this a long time. It's
not how much you make, it's how long you can
make it. That's the truth. And so the question for
Cooper Flagg would be what's the best position for you
to be in for your second and your third contract?
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And if there can be any discussion about the fact
that at eighteen or nineteen, when you are in position
at age twenty one, maybe to have to sign that
second big contract. You know, there's a difference between being
rich and being wealthy. People that are wealthy have made
it for a long time. And so that's the only
thing I would look at as far as what might
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be in his best interest is would waiting another year
put him in a better position to sign that second
and third contract that takes him from being rich to wealthy.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
He's only eighteen, that's right, crazy crazy.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
That would be the only factor we're.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Talking to Bruce Pearl, Auburn head coach. SEC Conference tournament
starts on Friday. We've talked about a variety of things.
The NBA has, you know, face of the NBA. Could
we get the non North America basketball players to play
against the you know, US based players in the All
Star Game? Like where do you see?
Speaker 5 (27:33):
You know?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
The globalization of basketball is the future in Europe and
other countries more so than it is in the United States.
If you consider I could probably give you seven or
eight of the top ten players in the game and
they're not from the United States.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Yeah, the game. I think the game is in great shape, Dan,
in the sense that worldwide it's really really popular. And
you're right, these international players, European players are playing the
game better than our guys have. One of the factors
has been just a skill level that they are brought
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up through a training program that isn't like high school,
AAU college, so on and so forth. At the same time,
your interest in our game and the college game has
never been better. Like the numbers that we're pulling for
the best, This is a tremendous regular season in college basketball,
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just even just the SEC. How many ranked teams against
ranked teams, and then how many of those games delivered
like the last two Saturdays in the SEC Alabama Tennessee overtime,
Auburn Alabama overtime, and the ratings are really good. I
don't know. I read a little bit about what's going
on with the NBA and what, but I couldn't tell
you why some of those numbers are down. But our
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numbers have never been stronger.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
But the talent level, I mean, they're young, they're you
know these guys, I mean jokers, what thirty or you know,
somewhere around there. But if you put in Giannis, you
put in Embid and you put in Luca Shay Gilgis,
you know from Canada, and maybe we go back to
the dream team that the Dream Team in ninety two
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sort of you know, birth this, they spawned all of this.
I'm just curious, does the does US basketball try to
model itself after, you know, instead of this AAU and
we've seen that basketball. It can be pretty ugly talented
but ugly feels like you know what Europe is doing
in other countries is they get you into a system,
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learn how to handle the ball, learn you know, the
fundamental be a big guy handle the ball on the perimeter,
like all of these things, feels like the US is
missing out on that opportunity.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Well, I think there are people that are in the
professional basketball in world basketball that are studying this very
factor right now. They're absolutely looking at it. You know.
The ext explanation I can have for it is the
age that they have these European kids starting to train
the specialization into, you know, the one particular sport. They
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don't have the same you know, rules as far as
how many hours you can or can't train, whether you're
a high school player and you can only practice a
certain amount of time, and certainly in college so and
so forth. You know. I think the other thing too,
the skill level right now is what is dominating our
sport in the sense that the men are so big
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and they're so strong, and they're so athletic that now
we're putting five guys out there on a perimeterive to
three point line and spreading the floor just so that
we have some space to be able to drive down
the lane and make place because nobody, hardly anybody is
putting a post player on the inside because there's just
no room for them. So side sometimes in some ways
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the size and the athleticism of the American player that
may have been a dominating force. Uh in basketball, it's
now no longer as as as as an important a
cog as the ability to spread the floor and have
the skills to be able to shoot and handle, which
is more akin to the European player.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Okay, but what would you do with Shack if he
was your center?
Speaker 6 (31:20):
Oh, I'd find a way. I have. I am Jani
broom right now, and and and and we're gonna find
ways to get him inside and and and and and
and and and run our offense accordingly. So oh no, no,
you give me Shack. His big ass is going on
the block, and good luck. The only way you're gonna
stop him is to hackershack him.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Who's the best player you recruited didn't get? But the
best player you you recruited?
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Wow? Well, you know it's interesting. Aj Devansta was somebody
that the kid, that young man is going to b yu. Uh.
He grew up in Boston and actually grew up in Brockton,
which is really a town outside of where I grew up.
And we got in early on him and and uh, guy,
he's got a great family, and and he he was
one of the highest rated players I think I've ever
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you know, not not gotten. Uh. Anthony Edwards maybe in
Atlanta would have been another one that that, you know,
that we worked on but didn't get there. There. There's
probably a long list of kids I finished second on,
but those are two probably pretty big names.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Tom Izzo said, Chris Weber made him cry because he
thought he was getting Chris Webber and then you lose
him to Michigan. That's painful.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Oh yeah, no, no, it's that. That definitely is. I
remember when Tom was an assistant for jud Heathcote and
they were playing old Jennison field House, and so I
don't know that Michigan State's program was in position when
Chris Webber was coming out out of Country Day High
School in UH in Detroit to pick Michigan State over
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uh Michigan, and tom Izzo hadn't quite done what he
what he done.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Now, Yeah, but he still had the magic Johnson era.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
That's great, and that's about I don't want to speak
to Michigan basketball history Michigan State basketball history, but the
perception of Michigan's program at that time was much stronger
than Michigan State.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
When where were you in your career when Burden magic
arrived on the scene in college basketball.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
I was just coming out of high school. I was
just starting at Boston College for doctor Tom Davis, starting
to be a manager and and work in the industry.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
So you're a lifer. You're a lifer, aren't you.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
I was at BC in nineteen seventy eight before the
Big East was born. I saw Dave Gavitt, you get
that thing started. Doctor Tom Davis in the job he
did at Boston College goes way under the radar because
of you know, Louis Carnoseca and John Thompson, really mess Amino,
you know, just Jim Beaheim and and Yukon and all.
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And we were at BC kind of doing great. In
those early early years of the Big East. They almost
took holy Cross. Boston College had to write a fifty
thousand dollars check in the athletic director Bill Flint at
the time wasn't sure that was going to be a
good enough investment. Had to get a door named Bernie
Plansky to write that check. Otherwise holy Cross would have
been in the Big East and now the CC not
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Boston College.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Wow, who do you get mistaken for in public? Uh?
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Sometimes uh, Lou Farigno, like the incredible, incredible, the Green
Monster that back when I when I was a little bigger,
not anymore. Every now and then Greg Brady remember Brady Bons,
we had the afro a little bit of that. Hey hey,
and a really good day thirty forty years ago.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Tom Jones, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, if women start
throwing their underwear at you at an Auburn game, like
you know, Tom Jones in I'm thinking a little bit
of Jeff Garland from curb your enthusiasm, like Larry David's
good buddy, like like a smaller verb maybe just the face, uh,
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and and your voice you could be you know, Jeff Garland.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
I've gotten a lot, a lot great you know, coaches,
we do agent Doggie.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Years, you know, are you okay? Coaching seems to be
the fun easier part than the n I L and
the recruiting.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Is that fair?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Yeah? Coaching because coaching is still you know, teaching and
and and and and developing and and and the gym
and the ball and and uh look I like N
I L. Dan, because we're way overdue. Thank God for
n I L. For you, for me, and and it
would make this country great. And obviously the numbers that
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these kids are getting right now tells you how late
the n C double A was. Yeah, recognizing the value
of these student athletes. Now, listen, there's no right now,
there are no rules. There are no regulations. We gotta
find so we gotta we go. If we're gonna have
a national champion, then then we truly need to be
playing more by the same rules. They play more by
the same rules in Major League Baseball, in the NFL
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and the NBA right now than we are on college
and we are trying to figure it out. There needs
to be bipartisan support in Washington, d C. To try
to find a way to bring this great college system
back while we're able to compensate the student athletes, you know,
wait for what they're worth. But there's gotta be some guardrails.
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Senator Ted Cruz has got legislation right now. But you
know how Washington, d C. Is completely dysfunctional, and if
the Republicans wanted, the Democrats won't. We got to find
a way to bring it to be able to have
the intercollegiate system what we do and still compensate our
student athletes, and I think that's the best way of
doing it. Right now, we're we're just putting band aids
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on it and we're all trying to navigate it.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Great to talk to you on the success. Hopefully you
don't run into a Jewish head coach of the rest
of the season. But thank you for joining us.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
Always a pleasure, Dan, and thanks for not making me cry.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
All right, this time that's Bruce Pearl Friday SEC Tournament.
They will get underway. Opponent to be determined.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Wapp Lewis Riddick for the Mothership ESPN College Football, NFL
analyst and a former front office executive with the Eagles
and Washington All right, instant replay came into our world
on this day in nineteen eighty six. Has instant replay
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been good for sports or bad?
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Look?
Speaker 8 (37:54):
I think it's been both. And I know that sounded
like a little bit of a cop out, right. I
think you you want to maintain as much of the
human element the game as possible. You don't want to
slow it down too much. You don't want to have
it be a constant barade of replays. But you know what,
when there are game changing plays games, I mean, plays
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that can really just really substantially affect the outcome, and
you know that they are blatantly missed, I think that's
when replay, when it gets it right in those kinds
of situations, I think that's good for the game because
I think ultimately that's what we all want. We want
to you know, we want the right teams to win
by abiding by the rules and the teams to be punished.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
That don't abide by the rules. So it's you're never then.
Speaker 8 (38:38):
I don't think you're ever going to have like one
hundred percent consensus of whether or not replay is good
good the game or not, because as soon as you
start there's too many replays, people start complaining about the
fact that it's slowing down the game, And you know what,
just let the ref ref And then as soon as
ref's miss and as soon as the refs miss.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
A call, it's like, which which league.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
Do the ref suck more? Is it an NBA or
is it the n Is it the script? Are these
games rigged. Is Grogoral Goodell trying to protect Patrick Mahomes
blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
No one's ever happy. That's kind of like the world
we live in right now.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, I was always bothered it came in as instant replay.
Then they changed it to replay because it was an
instant So that was one of my big problems. All right,
let me you. You worked in two front offices. You
worked with the Eagles in Washington. I'm going to put
you in the Steelers' front office. Yeah, you decide who's
going to be your quarterback between Russell Wilson Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 8 (39:31):
I would look, I would I would go with with
Aaron because I said all along, I believe the organization
needs him. He needs this kind of organization. I think
at this point in his career. What's my rationale for that?
Why do they need him? Pittsburgh needs to level up somehow.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Some way at quarterback. They just do. They have been
stuck in this kind of like mid range, mid tier.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
Mode of operating at that position and figured as though
Michael Tomlin could coach his way around that the defense
could create enough turnovers to get around that they could
run the ball well enough to get around it. They
could play renegade enough to where they would create some
kind of magic in the stadium and that would be enough.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
And it's not enough.
Speaker 8 (40:12):
They've got to level up somehow, and that's either through veteran,
the veteran market, or the draft where they're drafting right now.
Is it possible for them to still get someone late
in the first round that could wind up helping them
at the position.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Yeah, I believe that there is.
Speaker 8 (40:25):
But when we're just talking about free agency, Aaron levels
up for them. He just does with his knowledge, which
I would. I still think he has left in the
gas tank as far as his ability to play the
game and how he could help this offense, in particular
the passing.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Game become more dynamic. He will need to abide by a.
Speaker 8 (40:44):
Much more rigid structure in Pittsburgh and not think that
he can come in there and bring in all of
his buddies bringing got you there, and pick and pick
his offensive coordinator and call the plays that he wants
all the time and like basically run the show. He's
not running the show and he doesn't really need to
at this point, and I wouldn't. I would and trust
him to do that anyway, and Mike's not gonna let
him do that, and Arthur Smith's not gonna let him
do that. So I think he needs to just focus
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on playing ball, coming back the second year off of
this Achilles and actually going out the way he wants
to go out and have people look at him the way.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
He wants people to look at him. And Pittsburgh needs
the level up.
Speaker 8 (41:16):
So yeah, I think it's a I think it's a
good combination on the surface. Now, we don't know how
Mike feels about that, we don't know how Arthur Smith
feels about that. We don't know how DK Metcalf and
George Pickens are going to react Aaron Rodgers getting in
their rear end about not doing things the right way.
There's a lot of things that still would have to
be worked out, but that's that's that's the same The
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same thing is true with every free agent transaction. There's
always going to be things to work out.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
But then, does Russ in the Game of Musical Chairs
end up with the Giants?
Speaker 5 (41:47):
Probably? He probably does.
Speaker 8 (41:49):
And you know what I think, Look, I think both
of these guys at this point in time in their
career are bridge players. It's just a matter of whether
or not that's a one year bridge or a multiple
year bridge.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
In Pittsburgh, it could be a multiple year bridge for.
Speaker 8 (42:01):
Aaron because they don't have a they're not really in
position to get what we would term as a surefire
long term solution given where they're where they're drafting. So
he may be going into he can be possibly going
into a situation there where he could extend this thing
to two, maybe.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
Three years, if he wanted to play that long.
Speaker 8 (42:18):
If you're in if you're in New York, you know
for sure, Russell Wilson, that being Russell Wilson, knows for
sure that as soon as he walks in there, he's
already on the clock. They're already thinking about what the
next option is. Then it may be this year, who knows,
but they may think, hey, you know what, we'll sit Pat,
we'll play with Russ for a year, We'll draft Travis Spunter.
Maybe we'll move down, who knows, Maybe we'll accumulate some
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more picks and continue to try and build out this roster,
which is you know what, I'll tell you what I know.
It sounds like I'm gonna be ranting here a little bit,
but that that's probably one of the most annoying things
for me to hear at this time of year.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
All the times, let's trade down.
Speaker 8 (42:50):
And get more picks and build up the roster and
then just plug in the quarterback like you need to
pick one off of my grandma's cherry tree and plug
him in there.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
But that may be what they're thinking.
Speaker 8 (43:00):
I don't know if I'm Joe Shane right now, though
I'm Brian da Ball, I'm thinking I need to win
some games, man, and I need to win them this year.
So that's what makes this time of year so fun
to see how these teams ultimately wind up constructing the roster,
who they getting, and how it pans out.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
In New York. There's gonna be no team you talk
about more next year than the Giants, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
And we have a bet on the show the uh
will there be more running backs than quarterbacks? Taken in
the first.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
Guys talking about that? All right, that's a good one.
What do you think I think it will be running backs?
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Months ago of GM who I respect A Ton said, look,
this is the best year I've seen for running backs
since I've been a general manager.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
He's been a general manager for a little bit.
Speaker 8 (43:42):
Now, and he's someone who really does do a good
job of evalue.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
Waiting that position in particular. And I agree.
Speaker 8 (43:48):
I've seen a bunch of these guys in person this year,
and when you start watching the tape, you have guys
who are big, strong, powerful dudes, and you've got some
guys who are kind of like Jamier Gibbs. I don't
want to say scout Back type dudes, but guys were
real electric in terms of their ability to stop starting
go seventy eighty on you.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
And even the big dudes can do that. I mean,
you look at a Marion Hampton, you start thinking Joe Mixon.
Speaker 8 (44:09):
I mean you, I'm sitting there watching him and I'm going, damn,
is that Joe Mixon in a North Carolina uniform? And
then you look at Ashton and I'm telling you people,
you know, people think I'm crazy.
Speaker 5 (44:18):
I'm going, that's EMITTT. Smith with better speed. That's what
it is. That's what that is.
Speaker 8 (44:23):
Now watch Brashard Smith from SMU. I'm sitting there going
if that ain't Engineer Gibbs, I don't know who is.
There's all kinds man, there's all kinds and if you need,
if you're if you need a back this year, I
mean you may not take him in the top ten,
top fifteen, although I think Ashton deserves to.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
Go that high.
Speaker 8 (44:40):
I think you will see this will be a heavy
year for backs going in the first round, top of
a second for sure, and once that run starts, there's
gonna be people just picking them off, for sure.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Lewis Riddick part of ESPN's ongoing NFL free agent coverage.
You can catch him with Adam Schefter and more today
on ESPN from three until five. You're sold on cam
Ward going as the number one, number one quarterback? Are
you sold that Shador Sanders is a first round quarterback?
Speaker 5 (45:08):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (45:09):
I am top fifteen, he's a top half of the
first round.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
Okay, he's a top half.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
But where where is this negativity coming from? And I
like it's on the field and then a little bit
off the field with how he interviewed with one coach
at the combine. It feels like it was a smear
campaign because once it happened that all of a sudden,
it's boom, everybody kind of jumped on this.
Speaker 8 (45:35):
Why of course, look they've been trying to people have
been at this game, so to speak, of trying to
talk certain prospects down for years.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
Dion is a lightning rod. That's where it starts. It
doesn't even start with Shador.
Speaker 6 (45:50):
This is about.
Speaker 8 (45:51):
This starts with his father and then it just trickles
down to him, and it starts with his father. It's
been that way since I played with Deon back in
nineteen ninety two in Atlanta. People don't like flashy guys
like that who can back it up.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
They just don't. They don't like people who are strong, confident.
You know.
Speaker 8 (46:08):
It's funny, like we love it, but then with some
people we don't love. With Dion, he's always been a
polarizing player to the people who don't know him. If
you know him personally, you would be like, I get
it and I love it, Give me.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
More of it. With Shador, he has some of his
father in him. There's no question. How could he not.
He's the man.
Speaker 8 (46:28):
I mean, he's the man's son, and so a lot
of it comes from who he is and what his
last name is. Now, as far as him individually, why
do they pick at him on the field.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Does he have cam Ward's arm?
Speaker 8 (46:41):
No? Do you need cam Ward's arm? Do you need
John Elway's arm? Do you need Josh Allen's arm? In
order to play high level winning football in the NFL?
Speaker 5 (46:49):
No, But at this time of.
Speaker 8 (46:50):
Year we always fall back to those baseline, those baseline
levels in terms of like evaluating quarterbacks and saying, well,
if you don't have a rocket army, you can't play.
If you don't run four four like Lamar and can
create outside of structure and throw the ball and switch
it to your left hand like Patrick Mahomes, you can't play.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
You're either a Hall of Famer or you suck.
Speaker 8 (47:08):
And that's what it always comes down to this time
of your quarterbacks, there is no in between, and that
quite honestly, I think that that discussion stems from the
fact that I don't know if people really ever know
what the hell they really think about quarterbacks because it's
such a dependent position and it's so hard to get
your arms around it.
Speaker 5 (47:26):
Shador is very smart. He can process like hell.
Speaker 8 (47:29):
He's a good leader, he's got good feet in the pocket,
he throws a great ball, he has a lot of anticipation.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
And he's tough as hell. He got the crap bait
at him in at Colorado.
Speaker 8 (47:39):
Ye, I was at games and calling games where I'm
sitting there looking at Dion, who is like pleading with
this son throw the ball away or pleading with officer coordinator,
run the ball.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
My son's getting murdered out here.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
He'll be fine, They'll be just Daniel Jones just signed
with the Colts.
Speaker 6 (48:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Is he going in thinking he gets to compete for
that job?
Speaker 5 (48:05):
There's no question.
Speaker 8 (48:06):
I mean, why else would you switch teams at this
point considering what you have in Minnesota in terms of
the weapons that they have, the coaching staff. And I'm
not taking anything away from Shane Stichen because a lot
of respect for shame. Daniel Jones is looking for an
opportunity to really compete, to play, and you're not going
to tell me otherwise that the people in Indianapolis didn't
(48:27):
tell him that you are going to have a chance
to compete. We want somebody to push Anthony and if
you beat him out, you beat him out, simple as that.
That isn't happening in Minnesota. They are trying to get
JJ ready to play this year. They're not going to
force it, but they're trying to get him ready to play.
The way he looked the last offseason and the way
(48:48):
he looked in the first preseason game against the Raiders,
told you, this kid's developmental arc is going to go
straight up. There's a reason why they drafted him tenth. Overall,
it reminds me a little bit of the way Kansas
City was to bring along Patrick when they had Alex
Smith there. The only thing that derailed things is that
he got hurt, is that JJ got hurt. Daniel knows
that he was there every day. He knows how they
(49:10):
feel about him. He knows he doesn't really have a
chance to start there.
Speaker 5 (49:13):
If j JJ's n's fine, it's over.
Speaker 8 (49:17):
That's why you went to Indy. And if I'm Anthony
Richardson right now, what I'm really interested to see is
how he responds Dan to this. How does he respond?
It's gonna be I hate it for the kid. It's
gonna be so hard for him to ever shake the
stigma that's gonna follow him, the story that's gonna follow
him because of that one decision he made down there
in Houston.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
How many years did you play defensive back?
Speaker 5 (49:41):
Seven?
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Okay, how many? Give me the number of quarterbacks that
actually made you nervous. I don't want to stay scared.
Speaker 5 (49:50):
You can say scared.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Who scared you? When you go, oh my god, we're
playing him.
Speaker 8 (49:58):
John Elway because he had TD with him, had Rod Smith,
had Shannon Sharp, offensive line, had Tom Nalan, Mark Schlair,
Dan Neil Tony Jones, and that that play action passing
game was just so ridiculously good. That was a year
(50:18):
the TD went for two thousand and it was just like,
as a safety, I was like, I know, I got
to get up here and support this run because when
this guy starts going downhill, it's over, and these linemen
start getting up on it's over. And I did that
one time early in the game in el Way pulled
that thing out of there and launched it.
Speaker 5 (50:38):
And I'm telling you, in mid play, you can tell
I can tell you. You can already guess the words
that were coming out of my mouth.
Speaker 8 (50:43):
Oh oh yeah, all of them, f words everything.
Speaker 6 (50:47):
The thing.
Speaker 8 (50:48):
The only thing that saved me, honestly was Charles Woodson
was the corner and he broke the play up and
I remember jogging back to the huddle and I was like,
and he was, hey, you know, but yeah, l Way, Marino,
I got to play against Danny when he was when
he had Mark Duper and Mark Clayton and Keith Jackson
(51:09):
and those guys down in Miami.
Speaker 5 (51:11):
He came out, first play of the game.
Speaker 8 (51:14):
He comes out and he was standing there at the
line and he looks at me and he winked, and
I went, what.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
Does that mean? Does he mean? Does that mean I
found my guy?
Speaker 6 (51:30):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (51:30):
You know, hail to Pitt?
Speaker 4 (51:31):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (51:32):
Man? But yeah, those dudes were Steve.
Speaker 8 (51:36):
Oh you know what I would be It would be
disrespectful for me to dismiss Steve Young, Steve when he
was when they were in San Francisco. I played against
him when I was in when I was in Atlanta,
and when I was in Cleveland. They had it rolling
at that time, Dan, I mean they had it rolling.
(51:58):
Steve was so mobile and so fast, and Brent Jones
was so crafty, and they had Jerry and they had
John Taylor and Ricky Waters and it.
Speaker 5 (52:07):
Was just like, I mean, it was a come on,
this isn't fair. It's not fair. So yeah, I got
to play against some great ones, man.
Speaker 8 (52:14):
I mean, so much respect for those guys where you
literally were like I can't make a mistake.
Speaker 5 (52:19):
I can't. And even if you and even if you
were perfect, sometimes it just didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Always great to spend time. I know it's a busy
time for you, but thanks for carving out. Of course
a few minutes, buddy always man.
Speaker 5 (52:31):
Thanks
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