March 13, 2025 • 49 mins
Dan discusses the NBA handing out a $100K fine to the Jazz for sitting a healthy Lauri Markkanen. What does this mean for the league going forward? Tom Pelissero breaks down the Cowboys' puzzling inactivity and explains why Brock Purdy's future in San Francisco isn't in doubt despite the signing of Mac Jones. And Hall of Fame QB Steve Young explains why he believes quarterbacks should have more say in roster decisions and gives his take on the ever-evolving QB "prototype."
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Men's bids last night, McNee State, American University, and Montana
no bids tonight. We are bidless tonight Thursday night, Thursday afternoon.
A couple other items here. Mac Jones is going to
the forty nine ers. So that was the Patriots to
Jacksonville to now the forty nine ers. Still awaiting what
(00:26):
the number is going to be for brock Perty It'll
start with a five. I was told this yesterday that
Geno Smith going to the Raiders. Gino Smith is going
to get a new contract or at least an extension
where Geno Smith might be making at least forty five
million dollars. So while we look at this where the
Raiders did well, they got Geno Smith, they got some stability,
(00:48):
it's going to cost them. Now we look at what
Sam Darnold signed for. Now that's a bargain because fifty
five million guaranteed out of a three or one hundred
million dollar deal, you might have him for twenty seven
and a half million dollars. I'll take that. You can
start to rebuild your roster.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
There.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
As for the Raiders, because the franchise tag is around
forty one million dollars. Geno Smith is probably going to
get a forty five million. You know, maybe it's two
years ninety million, but Gino Smith's gonna get paid by
the Raiders from what I'm told. All Right, Well, come
up with a poll question, Play of the day, stat
of the day. Watch some basketball. Last night, the Thunder
(01:27):
beat the Celtics. They're now fifty four and twelve. And
this is one of those games where you couple that
with Denver losing at home to Minnesota SGA once again
strengthening that MVP resume. The NBA find the Utah Jazz.
Now I'm watching this story and I'm going I'm curious
(01:48):
about this because Laurie Markinen, who is an All Star,
he has sat out nine games. The NBA officially announced
yesterday a one hundred thousand dollars fine for the Utah
Jazz for sitting him out of the team's games. Now,
like I said, being an All Star, now you're the
(02:09):
focus of the NBA. They want to make sure that
you're going to be playing, and they call them star players.
Teams can be fined for star players, defined as any
player who made an NBA All Star game over the
course of the last three seasons. And if you miss games,
let's say you miss games nationally televised the NBA Cup games,
(02:30):
or if a team representative says one thing about a
player's absence while the official injury report says another. I
was curious if Laurie Markinen was injured, Well, apparently he's not.
Long term star players shut down or near shut down,
which is defined as a star player stops playing or,
(02:51):
in the judgment of the league office, begins to play
in a materially reduced role, and this would affect the
integrity of the game Marketan has missed the Jazz last
nine games due to a lower back injury, but is
generally understood to be healthy and ready to play. Okay,
(03:14):
he's got aw who's the one who determined that he
has a lower back injury. How do you prove that
he doesn't have a lower back injury? And then who's
the person who said, no, he's healthy and ready to play.
If the league were to find the Jazz guilty of
violating the policy a second time, it would be two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars. A third offense would be
(03:37):
one point two five million dollars. Each subsequent offense increases
by a million dollars. After the fine was announced, Larie
Markinen was made available to play in the Jazz game
against the Medicals. They're obviously tanking. They would love to
(04:00):
get Cooper flag in Utah, But I don't know how
that works. If somebody says, hey, we want you to
sit down, like the competitor, I would I would be like, no, hey,
we really need you to sit down. Yeah, but I'm healthy. Yeah,
but for the good of the team, Can you sit
out nine games with a lower back injury? And do
(04:24):
they use the air quotes when they tell him You've
got what's wrong with me? You've got a lower back injury?
I do, Yes, You're gonna sit out for nine games.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
That's the stomach ache of school. You can't prove your stomach.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Then yeah, yes, don And what goes into and or
who's the panel in the league office that in the
judgment of the league office and generally understood to be
helping ready to play? Those are very vague terms that
could use some more explanation.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
We did ask the League office, who's the one investigating this?
Do you have an independent physician who flies all over
the country like all right, Lebron, bring out the groin,
let me see it, yes, Bowen.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
The Jazz are fifteen to fifty one. Since they started
not starting Lari market In, they've lost nine of their
last ten games, and their odds are increasing every day.
When you look at this rule, don't you think it's
the don't push it rule? Lari marketIn set nine straight games.
If he set three games, played played a gun, and
then set another three. I don't think they'll find them.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I didn't know that they had somebody who is kind
of in a clandestine role scene if something's nefarious going on.
Wait a minute, let me look at you know, this
is where somebody wins like a class action suit against somebody,
Oh I was in a car accident. And then they
have those you know cameras, those investigators that they see
some guy where he's out there swinging the golf club
(05:50):
or you know, he's changing tires on a semi and
then they go, ah, we got you. I don't know
if they're doing that with Lari Marketing, where they visit
his home and I took out the garbage. There's nothing
wrong with his bag. Is this a good thing? I guess.
I just the shocking part is that Laurie Marketing would
(06:14):
go okay if he did, because I think you have
to go to him and say you're not healthy. I'm
not No, you've got a lower back injury. I do, Yes,
you do, and we want you to sit out. We
want to make sure you're healthy for next season when
hopefully we get Cooper flag.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yes, Todd, it's well intended by the league, and I
could certainly appreciate that with all the load management and stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
But I still don't understand how you fully can approve
something like that.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
But he does somehow have a legitimate problem that doesn't
show up in an X ray or the average physician report.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I'm gonna guess he doesn't have a legitimate injury. I'm
guessing he might still have a lower back injury, but
he's not allowed to sit out. Although didn't the Mavericks
say with Anthony Davis with his injury, with Kyrie injured,
and they may shut him down, Well, why are you
allowed to shut down Anthony Davis just because Kyrie got hurt?
(07:11):
You need you need to uphold the competitive balance of
the league. That Dallas can't go. Eh, we're just going
to roll some guys out there. You still, if Anthony
Davis is healthy, you need to put him in the
lineup here, because what are you doing tanking? Ah, we'll
just shut him down. We got nothing to play for,
but teams playing you or teams hoping that you put
(07:35):
up a good fight against the team they're competing for
with a playoff spot. That's the competitive integrity of the game. Yes, Pom,
do you think we need a name for this rule?
I looked on the NBA's website. It's called the Player
Participation Policy, and you know I don't like thelliteration PPP. No,
my name is Paul Pabst. How about the Kohi rule?
(07:57):
We name it after a player? Is that mean spirited
to name it the rule? Well? How many times have
the Clippers been fined for? I mean, Kawhi feels like
he's always injured, But when he's healthy is when they
need to investigate.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Okay, then, if you want to go back, the origin
of this rule is twenty ten, the Spurs and Popovich
were fined two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. It was
precedent setting because it hadn't been done before he set Duncan, Jenobili, Parker,
and Danny Green in a nationally televised game against the Heat.
That's the genesis of this entire Yea.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
He told him to stay home now the game was
in Miami. He's like, no, stay home. And then all
of a sudden, it's like David Stern goes, oh, that's
gonna cost you. Maybe we call it the pop rule,
but that's another p Yeah before peace, Yes, Seaton.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I definitely didn't see it coming where.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
You know, the Utah Jazz they need to tank, so
they're like, all right, better get market In out of there.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Then sit them, sit them. We got to lose these games.
It's not like you go, boy, if we don't sit him,
we're going to be winning a ton of games. We're
just going to be through the rest of the league
if I don't sit him.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
Yeah, you know, it's kind of like when I'm looking
at this one article and they say Marketing is a
quote star player.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
He has quotes around star player.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, oh my god, I don't. I don't know if
a star players should have quotes around it.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
He was an All Star in twenty twenty three. Okay,
it say is star player air quotes?
Speaker 6 (09:21):
In this case, it has to have quotes because it's
a designation, not an opinion.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yes, Tom, what if.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
A player has incentive clauses about how many games they
played or when they're averaging?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So like, what if Llowie marketing.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I don't know what his contract is, but what if
he's getting affected financially by them telling him to sit?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Well, he's not going to be an All Star or
our first team, second team, third team. That's where you
have to have sixty five games. But I was just
kind of surprised that you think the opposition goes is
marketing plan? I don't think so. Now we have a chance.
You're the Utah Jazz, Yes, Marvin, and.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
They're doing all this just to get the eighth pick
in the draft.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
M maybe maybe higher than that. Where do they stand
with the Wizards in New Orleans?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Or maybe a message is saying, well.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
They got fifteen wins, they got fifteen.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Wins the lottery. You never know.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Yeah, Yes, Paul Washington has thirteen wins, Utah has fifteen,
Charlotte sixteen, and New Orleans eighteen. Washington, Utah, and Charlotte
as of right now weld each have a fourteen percent chance.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Okay, number one overall, So you're saying we got a chance.
But if you said to Cooper Flag, where do you
want to go? He's from Maine, not going to the Celtics.
If it's Washington, Utah, maybe Charlotte because you've been at Duke.
Maybe get to play with Alonzo Ball not Lonzo Lamela LaMelo.
(10:48):
I can't keep it straight, even though I should, because
there's only one that's really good. Do you want to
go to DC?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
No? No, it's almost like going to the Jets.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I think it's worse than the Jets.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Oh, yes it is, yes for sure. Yeah, because I
don't think the Wizards have won fifty games in my lifetime.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You mean in a season, not total in your lifetime, Well.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
In a season, yes, I don't think they've won fifty
games in my life.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well, hear from Josh Allen coming up Seaton. What's pole
question for hour one?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
It would be great if we I don't know if
we have enough options for it.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
But the new name for that rule that you were
just talking about, that would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Maybe we can populate that a bit.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Okay, pop.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Should say it's so funny. We're like a bunch of
seals in here. I said pop in the front row, and.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
We all saw the same pop pop pop pop pop
pop pop pop?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Did you just say pop pop?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You pay us for this, twelve year olds?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
What other pole question might you have?
Speaker 7 (11:57):
Well, we haven't gotten into some of the quote situations
in the mac Jones going to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, he is.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
A more interesting fella than I think it appears on
the surf.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Do you think there'll be a thirty for thirty on
mac Jones one day? This could be a chapter of it.
This could be he is.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
He is a wonderful case study and how luck and
timing play into a successful career.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
At that position. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio
dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to
listen live.
Speaker 9 (12:36):
Hey Steve Covino and I'm Rich David and together we're
Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You could catch
us weekdays from five to seven pm Eastern two to
four Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course the
iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich.
We talk about everything life, sports, relationships, what's going on
in the world. We have a lot of fun talking
about the stories behind the stories in the world of
(12:58):
sports and pop culture, stories that well other shows don't
seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact
that we've been friends for the last twenty years and
still work together. I mean that says.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Something, right, So check us out.
Speaker 9 (13:09):
We like to get you involved too, Take your phone calls,
chop it up. As they say, I'd say, the most
interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Most interactive show on planetar.
Speaker 9 (13:18):
Be sure to check out Cavino and Rich live on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app from five to
seven pm Eastern two to four Pacific, And if you
miss any of the live show, just search Covin on
Rich wherever you get your podcasts, and of course on
social media.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
That's Covino and Rich. Tom Pelsero, NFL Network insider busy
man the last few days here, Tom, let me start
with the winners and losers. If you were picking out
one team where you go clearly did better than everybody else.
And then if I said give me the loser, who
would you pick the.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Winners and losers are always tough because a lot of
the time the biggest free agent signings are the guys
you see cut two years later, and some of those
value type signings are the ones that work out the best.
Look at the Eagles last year with Zach Bond. Nobody
was talking about that. That was as impactful as anything,
but he's had a bunch of under the radar signings.
I would say I think that the teams that were
(14:13):
active that certly at least made an impact on their
teams this year. Look at the Patriots defensively, Geiney Milton Williams.
They had to pay a lot to get him, but
a game record type. They're playing new defensive scheme with
Mike Vrabel. They also brought it in Harold Landy who
got released by the Titans. He's got familiarity with Mike Vrabel,
Robert Spalane the linebacker, Carlton Davis the corner. I mean, again,
(14:35):
you'll see, we'll see what because these are all big
money types of signings, But in terms of the instantaneous impact,
I think that you're going to see it there. I
also would say I like at least the philosophy of
what Seattle is doing, and they've got some more moves
that they're going to need to make. But in essence,
you know, they've been going along with Geno Smithy. He
had wanted a contract redo last year. They don't do
(14:56):
that with two years left, just organizational philosophy. This year,
they came to them. They offered him a raise, they
offered him a deal. Gino didn't like it, did not
respond well to their offer. At some point they went
wait to say, we can trade him for a third
round pick, and then signed Sam Darnold, who's a decade
younger coming off a Pro Bowl, for a little bit
less money. We're just gonna we're gonna do that, you know.
(15:19):
And then DK Metcalf you get you get a second
round pick out of that deal. They're kind of rebooting,
you know, year two from Mike McDonald. What I like
about it is they were ten and seven and they
didn't go, hey, we're close, we just need it a
little bit more. Was you know what, ten and seven's
not the goal. Let's try to go win a championship
with the coach who's the youngest in the league that
we think could be really special. Here you know, again,
(15:40):
they still need wide receiver help. We'll see if they
get some more here in the coming days as well
as through the draft. But I thought that the way
that Seattle looked at this, the way they attacked it,
I thought, really said something about the focus of their
front office.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, Denver stood out to me quietly, Chicago, did you
know Washington did? And then you have the other end
of the spectrum, the team that made you go hmm.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Well, once again, I think that just anybody looking at
this says the Cowboys are just so generally inactive that
it just makes you wonder what's their plan. You know,
obviously they've got a new coaching staff in there. Brian
Shot and I were getting promoted to head coach, Matt
Eberflus coming in as the defensive coordinator. We've seen them
make some, you know, relatively smaller moves. They traded yesterday
(16:28):
for a couple of former high draft picks, Kenneth Murray
and Kyrie Elam. But you know, Murray had been a
fine player, but that was a salary dump for Tennessee
and Kyrie Elam it started like twelve games over three years.
You know, that's kind of like the Jonathan Mingo trade
they made last year from Carolina, where you know, they
give up a fourth per a guy that they thought
was a really top wide receiver in the draft, but
(16:48):
he hadn't had any you know, he hadn't had a
lot of productivity, and so you know, their biggest free
agent sidings at this point. I might be forgetting somebody
off the top of my head, but you know, Javonte Williams,
a running back who I was at the game in
Dallas a couple of years ago when he had the
best gay of his career, but he had an injury.
He's not quite at the same level of productivity. You
had to be sitting there and going when Washington's making
(17:09):
all these moves, right. They did it the deadline last
year with the Marshall and Lattimore trade. They did it
with the Deebo Samuel trade. This year, a Laramie Tunsell trade.
They're going on in said, hey, we got to catch
up to the Eagles. We're going to cash in right
now on a rookie quarterback contract for the Cowboys. They're
locked in with DAK, they're locked in with CD. They
got to figure out the Miket thing and they're operating
like a team, whether it's right or wrong. It doesn't
(17:31):
have a whole lot of flexibility, and you just wonder.
I'm not saying what they're doing is wrong, but you
do wonder, Okay, what's their plan for catching up in
a really, really competitive division.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And I don't know if this is true, though, Tom,
but it feels like Jerry Jones wants to prove how
smart they are. He is in the draft free agency. Okay,
I signed checks, but they don't go after free agents.
And they have done well on the draft, but I
don't know why. It's like a college coach who doesn't
believe in the transfer portal. Well, you got Dabo Sweeney
(18:03):
at Clemson. He doesn't believe in the trent and you're like,
you better get up to speed. But Jerry is never
They've never spent money. Who is in Greg Hardy is
their big free agent signing a decade ago.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
That was a wild while. I saw that stat that's
the last one they signed to a contract above what
like eight million dollars per years in free agency. That
feels like a lifetime ago. And there's a whole Greg
Hardy side story. We don't need to get into there.
But yeah, they've not been super active. They've been in
most cases slower to get their long term contracts done.
(18:36):
And the problem with that, we see it over and
over is when you wait on these deals, all that
does is give more leverage to the player. Whether it's
because of Dak playing out a franchise tag. It's like,
why does Dak make sixty million? I see people say
it all the time, Dak make sixty Josh allension for
fifty five. It's about leverage. Yeah, Dak played out a
franchise tag. They were at risk of having to tag
him a second time, which they did until the paperwork
(18:58):
went through, and then he played toward the end to
that deal that he had all the leverage in this case.
You know the same thing with CD last year where
Justin Jefferson resets the market. Now you're seeing them with
Michah Parsons. If the Cowboys jumped out, you know, whether
it was you know, forget about last year, you jump
out in March and just say, you know what, we're
gonna get this deal done with Mikah. You know you're
Troie probably talking about, hey, we get that about what
(19:19):
the MASX Crosby number was right, which is like thirty
five thirty five and a half million dollars a year.
Now Miles Garrett gets forty you know, Michael Parsons agents
are sitting there going, great, we'll s sit back and
wait and see if we get forty one. And now
you potentially have another off season where it's dominated by
what's gonna happen with Micah. You know, it will give
me the indication that they're at least open to exploring
(19:40):
whether or not they would trade him. I know they've
had internal discussions about, Okay, what's the right thing to
do when if you sign him for forty million plus,
that's going to give you a super top heavy type
of roster here. It's just that's that's kind of the
Cowboys way of doing business. And I definitely understand the
frustration of fans who are just going, what's the plan
to get better again? When you're chasing literally the Super
(20:02):
Bowl champs who arguably have the best roster in football.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Tom Pellisero, NFL Network insider, the Aaron Rodgers situation. I'm
curious about this from the Minnesota standpoint, Why don't they
just come out and say we're not interested in Aaron Rodgers.
You've already said to JJ McCarthy, we're moving on from
Sam Darnold. We believe in you if you truly believe
in JJ McCarthy. Unless they do, they're curious about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Listen, if the Vikings called Aaron Rodgers today and said, hey,
what do you think about coming and playing Minnesota, Aaron
Rodgers would be off that beach with the shawl around
his shoulders and be on a plane to Minnesota instantly.
I mean, that's the truth. Kevin O'Connell and Aaron Rodgers
have a relationship. They're about the same age. Believe it
or not. They are both California guys. They've known each
other for years. They talk, they text. But you drafted
(20:53):
JJ McCarthy last year tenth overall with the philosophy of
exactly what I was talking about with Washington, where you
got a young guy on a cost controlled contract, you
can spend all this money elsewhere, you can use draft picks,
you can go. We're going to try to win right
now by taking advantage of the fact that we've got
the quarterback on the cheap. Aaron Rodgers I believe would
come and play for not very much money at all
in Minnesota. But you're still changing the path for JJ
(21:16):
McCarthy at that point. It would be different if Sam
Darnold were coming back off the year he had, they
made him an offer, Seattle offered a way more money.
He's gone. Daniel Jones they tried to bring back. They
give themselves an option here just because JJ McCarthy is
in a very rare position where not only did he
not play as a working he didn't take a rep
the whole season, and there's no precedent for that. But
once those two options went away, my understanding has been
(21:40):
the most likely scenario, highly likely, is that JJ McCarthy
is going to be the starting quarterback and they'll pursue
a backup option. Why have they not ruled it out publicly?
I would say the Vikings philosophically just don't rule anything
out publicly. Is there some scenario here where, I mean,
think about this. Did JJ McCarthy has a setback in rehab.
I'm not saying he has, saying if that were to
(22:01):
happen right in may Or he tweaked something in OTAs
and Aaron's sitting out there still wandering in the sand,
maybe you go, hey, this is exactly the type of
opportunity here, you know, and I think that you know
from Aaron's perspective, and listen, there's only one person inside
his head. Aaron's deep inside there.
Speaker 10 (22:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
He's got to make up his decision about what he
wants to do. Does he really want to play? And
at some point some of the options that he's got
right now potentially are going to go away. I mean
because right now Russell Wilson's in Cleveland today. If all
of a sudden, the Browns and I don't know that
this is going to happen, but let's say the Browns
decide we'd like to make you an offer, we'd like
to bring you in. And now all of a sudden,
(22:39):
the Steelers are in a situation of all right, we
can either keep waiting for Aaron, who learned a lot
from Brett Farvre, and when Brett Favre went from the
Jets to the Vikings, he signed on August eighteenth in
two thousand and nine. We can't sit here and just wait.
We don't want to lose Russell Wilson would be playing
c because Justin Fields has planning. We don't want to
go from A to B to C to whatever is D.
(23:00):
We need to do something right now. That's where the
teams at some point might need to move forward. Hasn't
happened yet, but that time is coming here. And as
much as Aaron might feel like he needs to meditate
on this and really get in touch with all the
different factors in his life, at some point it's you
got to make a decision, and time will tell how
much how much lease the teams are willing to give
(23:21):
him to do that.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I don't let Russell Wilson out of the building. If
I'm Cleveland, I just say, hey, Russ, let's make this work.
You can show Pittsburgh. We'll come back and haunt Pittsburgh
here and you know whatever your reclamation tour. And I
wonder if the Steelers could be kind of like, let's
say Aaron Rodgers says, hey, you know what I'm gonna
play for the Giants, Like Pittsburgh could be Duck Devlin
(23:45):
or whoever, like, don't I don't know what Plant Gardner,
Minshew or Drew Long, like they could be down to
plan D here.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I love a good Devlin Duck Hodges reference in the morning. Dan, Yeah,
I mean listen, they're they're there are some other things
out there. But yeah, let's let's game this out. Let's
game out the situation that you just did, which I
talked through with some people this morning. Let's say, and
I don't know what's going to happen, Let's say the
Browns signed Russell Wilson today. Now the Giants and the
Steelers are waiting on one guy who may or may
(24:17):
not even decide that he ultimately wants to play football
in twenty twenty five. Your other options beyond that are
you try to get Kirk Cousins out of Atlanta, where
that's still an evolving situation there. He's do twenty seven
point five fully guaranteed another ten million or twenty twenty
six vess if he's on the roster comes Sunday. The
Falcons don't seem concerned about that at all, because they figure, hey,
(24:38):
another ten million invest two years from now, he'll probably
make that and it'll be offset anyway, so not a
big deal. They're gonna wait. But Kirk also has no
trade clause. He might not want to go to certain
teams that might have an interest in him, so that's
one option. Then after that, you're into. Is Joe Flacco
a starter in the NFL somewhere this season, Jamis Winston,
(24:59):
Drew Locke is still out there. You try to make
something out of Trey Lance, I mean your option, your
list of options are getting shorter here. I don't know, frankly,
if any of these options down they're big names. I
don't know if any of these options are stuff that
fans are going to, you know, blow up the phone
lines or get online and buy tickets to go see
forty one year old old Aaron Rodgers, thirty six year
(25:19):
old Russell Wilson, forty forty one year old Joe Flackball.
I don't know that any of these are, you know,
the options that are going to like spur you, not
the way it did when the Jets traded for Rodgers
a couple of years ago. But they are competent quarterbacks,
and in a quarterback draft where there is very little
certainty beyond cam Ward probably be in the first quarterback
and quite possibly the number one overall pick. You know,
at least locking in somebody who you know can go
(25:41):
out and function an offense and get the ball to
your playmakers. It gives you a little bit more options.
Can they afford the next week?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Can they afford another nine and eight season? Can Mike
Tomlin afford another nine and eight? Maybe you make the
playoffs and you bowl out again in the first round.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I think Mike Comlin has a very unique situation Pittsburgh,
and I've talked with ur Rooney for it before. Ur
Rooney's belief, and he got this from his father and
his grandfather was as long as the coach's voice is
still resonating in the locker room, you feel like people
believe in him. They're not gonna move. But I would
say the Steelers are not standing pat They just traded
a second round pick to go get DK Metcalf and
gave him the biggest contract for a non quarterback in
(26:19):
franchise history. So the Steelers are being proactive here. If
I'm George Pickens and I'm DK Metcalf right now, I
definitely want to know who's throwing me the football. Russell Wilson. Listen,
he's thirty six. He doesn't move as well. He doesn't
throw the ball as well in the middle of the
field as he used to is he doesn't have the
same escapability. If there's one thing he does it's throw
the ball to the perimeter, fifty to fifty balls, let
your big receivers go and get it. Well, the Steelers
(26:41):
have the biggest outside receivers in the game right now
with Pickens and Metcalf here. I know that people are
going to look at that and say it's not a
really alluring option. But for the Steelers, if that's where
this ends up, it does make some sense to give
it one more shot. Hope Russ is healthy and could
find you know, seventeen games like he found about those
first four or five he played last year.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Any chance, Well, I guess the Niners are going to
sign rock Party, right, That's not in doubt.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
They're negotiating, They have had negotiations exchange bargaining proposals. I
would anticipate that they are going to get Brock purty side.
As for mac Jones, because I know that's where you're going.
They obviously there was a lot of discussions about them
taking him in the draft in twenty twenty one. They
ultimately opted for Trey Lance. They actually tried to trade
for mac Jones last year when he got traded to Jacksonville,
but they offered a really low pick. The Patriots decided
(27:31):
to send them to the Jaguars instead. So this is
like the third swing to Kyle Shanahan and company have
made at bringing in mac Jones. And let's say something
were to happen to brock Purty if he were to
get banged up. I think they feel good about mac
Jones going in, but this is not there. From my
understanding on the brock Purty negotiations, they still want to
get him locked up for the long haul. If you
look at the numbers, even in a quote unquote down
(27:52):
year for him last year, he's still one of the
most efficient quarterbacks in football. The key is going to
be what's that number at a time that we think
about this, And the highest paid quarterback two years ago
in the NFL for a brief moment was Jalen Hurts
at fifty one million a year. He is now the
tenth highest paid quarterback. You wonder where's all those cap
dollars go? The caps it's loaded by twenty five percent.
(28:12):
Most of that's gone to the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Thanks for spending time, and I know you're busy. Thank
you again, Tom, you got it do It's Tom Pelsero,
NFL Network insider.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
He's the Hall of Famer, three time Super Bowl champ
of the Niners. Steve Young back on the program. Steve,
we were wondering, did you ever have a full time
job aside from being a football player when you got
out of high school and you went to BYU, did
you ever have a job like you know some of
ninety nine percent of the rest of Americans, where maybe
(28:52):
you wash dishes or something. So Todd, let me start
with you, Steve Young. Did he have a job and
what job was it?
Speaker 5 (28:59):
I think he did have a was some kind of
paralegal or something with a loan or something along.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Okay, I know, hold on, hold on, hold on, I
got to go round the room. Everybody gets a guess here.
But you know, keep in mind, he grew up in Greenwich,
Connecticut Street Street, the other side of the tracks in Greenwich.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
See, oh boy, yeah, that really changes things, doesn't it.
I think he has had a job. I think it
was more like working at someone's store store.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Okay, Marvin.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
The Great One worked at a car dealership, card dealership, Paul.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Real specific when he's young, a caddie in Greenwich, and
when he was in college, probably like an internship with
a hedge fund or something.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I'm going to say probably had a paper route. And
I'm going to say that he worked. I'm gonna say
he worked for his father, Steve.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
All right, So uh, the young family had the famous
paper and I started it for you that's when we
were little. That doesn't really count, but I'm giving you
the credit for it because I got to tell you
the story that my brother the worst day of the
paper out was when you had to go collect the
money and knock on the door and ask for the
dollar thirty for the Granwich.
Speaker 10 (30:11):
Times, you know, as a pain. And one day my
brother told my mom I'm not doing it, and I'm not.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
She got so sick of it. And this is great
like story when my mom punches my brother as hard
as it puts them back against the wall, and we
laugh about it today that my mom, who is the
greatest peacemaker of all time, who would never like her
to fleet, somehow got so enraged.
Speaker 10 (30:35):
Because my brother would not go collect for the Greenwich dunch.
She punched him.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
So anyway, I was in high school and in college,
I worked all summers with landscape company bucket Lands, her
own man in Grantwich, Connecticut, and I ran a whole
truck of guys. And a funny thing about Greenwich is
you pull up to these big places, these biggest states,
you know, to go cut their lawn, and all the
moms like, come inside, the landscapers are here.
Speaker 10 (31:03):
We don't want to mix company. And I was like,
you know, I was.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
It was.
Speaker 10 (31:08):
It was rough and tumble back then. Yeah, that was
my job. That hedge fun thing is great. Yeah that works.
Speaker 9 (31:13):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Okay, if you're Aaron Rodgers, I'm gonna make you Aaron Rodgers,
and I'm gonna give you the opportunity for Pittsburgh and
New York with maybe the possibility of the Vikings. What
would you do.
Speaker 10 (31:26):
I'd sprint to the Vikings if possible.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
I'm you know why Sam would leave a place where
he knows you're gonna thrive me because they had to.
Speaker 10 (31:33):
They told me what he'd have a spot.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
But you've got to find Dan in today's game, You've
got to find a place where someone has left. Kyle
Shanahan Sean McVay or Andy Reid and understands the new
kind of run to the future that is necessary to
be great for quarterbacks.
Speaker 10 (31:50):
And then you got to run to those teams.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
And that's what Sam found in San Francisco briefly as
a backup and then as a starter in Minnesota.
Speaker 10 (31:56):
So I'd run McConnell's fast as any of them, because.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
That's what you if you're gonna have, if you're gonna
thrive in today's game, especially with what all that Aaron
knows he was, he was born and raised in a
more sophisticated era of the NFL.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
He can take advantage of him.
Speaker 8 (32:11):
That's why Tom Brady, I think we've talked about this before,
towards the end of his career, ran into him in
a money night game and I go, what's the difference
between the old before the rule changes and now he goes, well,
now the flats are always open, the middle of the
field is unpatrolled, and no one can hit me. And
so Aaron understands that, Like, that's why people can play
in their forties, because we know we learned at a
more sophisticated time. So get to a place that understands
(32:33):
the future and go dominate.
Speaker 10 (32:36):
I don't. I look, if you that's to me, that's
an obvious one. If that's a chance.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Okay, but does Pittsburgh make sense for him if they
want him?
Speaker 8 (32:46):
No, we had to go win some games. Yeah, but
they're not built. They don't they have him not run
to the future as far as the quarterback position. And
those are the teams that are in the Super Bowl year,
they're in the Championship game. Every year they're they go
deep in the playoffs. And so I would say, yeah,
go on with your bad stuff. If you don't want
to play, you know, you don't want to retire.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I'm not.
Speaker 10 (33:05):
I'm not done.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
Look at playing playing Pittsburgh's amazing. I mean it's you know,
they're gonna win a lot of games. They always do,
and he can help me win more. But I just
I think the way I see the game today, the
way the NFL is built. You know, you got to
you know New York Giants.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
No, No, okay, but are the Eagles in that same
blueprint that you're talking about, because yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
I look, Dan, I know you're trying to trick me
here and try to catch me on my my little theory. Yes,
because they have a quarterback that's still, you know, is
gonna threaten the line of scrimmage every play. They've got
a unique way to run the football, just like the
forty nine ers did, and I give them credit for that,
But the idea that you're now gonna go win super
Bowls by playing great defense in a running game is
(33:52):
just not the way that it's gonna get done. You
have a very dynamic quarterback position, which they do have,
and I think that's where they are a team of
the future in that way. They have a unique way
to do it with Saquon, which I give them as
an anomaly. But you know, the idea that today's game,
you can throw together a number one defense and a
great running game and go wing the Super Bowl doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
But if I gave you Saquon Barkley or Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
It's these stupid bar fights, like you know, yeah, I
in today's game, Justin Jefferson with a great, renovative offensive
mind and and a quarterback that understands the position that
can really thrive, those are the guys that go. So
I'd go that way.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Did you call it a stupid bar fight? That well,
Let's what is this I do for a living?
Speaker 8 (34:45):
I know, but sometimes you just gotta you gotta admire
and and just stand back and just say, look, people
are great, and I don't want to have to pick
you know, you know how hard it is to be great,
and then you want to pick between great like I
don't know's.
Speaker 10 (34:58):
It's a bar fight.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
It's just a fun philosophical question. As a quarterback, who
do you want the guy right behind me?
Speaker 8 (35:04):
Let's let's do more of it. Let what can we
talk about Mohammed Ali versus what do you want to do?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
You call it better quarterback? You were Montana.
Speaker 10 (35:15):
I didn't even have to. I was just sitting here
going I know, I know, listen, you made me do that.
It's good. I was at Tomam and Ali, I was
trying to get you off traps.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Do you get a Christmas card from Joe Montana's family?
Speaker 10 (35:30):
Uh No, but I don't. I mean, look, don't try to.
We never fought. We didn't, we never had a fight,
we never had a disagreement, we never I.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Just asked Hi about a Christmas card.
Speaker 10 (35:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
No, I'm just trying to say, I'm trying to get
ahead of you now because I'm trying to get you off,
but I'm trying to get ahead of you.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Steve Young, the Hall of Famer joining us on the show.
You are on record, I think beginning of February where
you talked about the Niners need to make or not make.
Maybe that sounds strong rock Party take advantage of his legs.
He's not Jayden Daniels, but I think your quote was
he could be eighty percent of Jayden daniel Right, you
(36:09):
truly believe that.
Speaker 9 (36:10):
I do.
Speaker 10 (36:11):
I think he's nifty right.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
You saw him in the pocket, He move around, he
can carry the football out of the huddle. Look, I
don't want to go back over it again. But because
the field has gotten bigger, essentially because of the rule changes,
you can't launch your body at defenders can't patrol the
field as well as they can.
Speaker 10 (36:29):
It's the game is.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
Quarterback position has to threaten the line of scrimmage every play.
They don't need to go do it, but the threat
needs to be there. It's too powerful and the players
that the quarterbacks that are doing that every play are
the ones that are thriving.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
And so for Brock, he can threaten the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
Essentially, as fast or as strong or all the stuff
that other guys do, but he can't do it. And
I think you have to lead into it, because if
you don't threaten the line of scrimmage, all you're going
to do is be a processing, a phenomenal processing quarterback,
and every play is out of the huddle, and we're
going to just complete lots of passes.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
Then you're gonna have to go the retail way, right,
you have to go the long way in today's game.
Speaker 8 (37:07):
There's shortcuts everywhere, and you got to take advantage of them.
And and and so I think he can do more
of that. And I think that and as they try
to iterate, Look, when the world changes happen, there's three
guys that ran into the future, Andy Reid, Kyle Shan
and Sean McVay, and every coach that come out that's
been thriving in the NFL's come from those guys, and
(37:28):
they've all kind of they had a tactical advantage for six,
seven to eight years.
Speaker 10 (37:32):
That tactical advantage has gone.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
Now there's too many guys out they're teaching the same thing.
So there's got to be a new iteration of it,
a new you know, uh real, you know, kind of
reinvent yourself. And so for Kyle and Brock, to me,
it's leaning into threatening the line of scrimmage with him
carrying the football. I know that sounds scary to people
and that's how he gets hurt and all that kind
(37:55):
of stuff. But in today's game, you have to do
it or if you're going to be championship football.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
It's look at the amount of money that the quarterbacks
make and they defer, you know, they restructure their deals.
At what point do you think a quarterback should have
a say in what is done with the money that
they're freeing up like Mahomes Josh Allen yep? Should they
be able to have input in free agency?
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Look, given enough time, in a million years, all sports
leagues will be owned by the players, right because they're
the ones that are on the field. They'll they'll be
the equity owners. It's inevitable over a million years. It's
just that football is going to be a really long time.
But I think that in that sense, players, especially the
ones that you've invested to be the you know, the
(38:42):
pillars of your of your of your team, should be included,
should be included those personnel conversations should be included in
the draft.
Speaker 10 (38:52):
The biggest mistake, And I told Aaron Rodd, I told Tom,
I took pay.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
I told anyone I could that the biggest mistake I
made was not Look, I don't want to say that.
I did not wanted to do unnatural things and walk
in and tell him you better draft that guy, or
you better take care of me, or you better No.
But I wish that I would have gone into them,
into the room and and and how to say, and
had the conversation and talk through it and try to
(39:18):
make sure that we were, you know, as a as
a quarterback, trying to advocate for what felt like we
needed to try to take care of. And I encourage
players to do it with the right spirit, with the
right you know, the way to do it it with tactically,
that's appropriate, that kind of thing. But but absolutely, Dan,
if you're going to do a quarterback a team friendly
(39:38):
deal over many, many years, you better you got to
tell me you're going to be part of those conversations.
Speaker 10 (39:44):
Absolutely well.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You can only imagine what Aaron Rodgers felt when he's
watching the draft and they decided to take Jordan Love
and they gave him a five minute there's tough moments.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
I look, I'm not I'm not even trying to avoid
that or like, oh don't I you know, I'm gonna
go and advocate.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
You better not do.
Speaker 8 (40:01):
I'm not talking about threatening. What I'm trying to do
is is build a partnership in personnel. Because what I
what my experience was, and I'm sure it's still the same.
We watched every player, every draft class come in the
first OTA, and we as players were all look at
the guys that they drafted and like, yeah, he's pretty
good or oh he sucks, you know right away, and like,
(40:24):
as players, if we have that sense in fifteen minutes,
I'm overstating it, but in a very short amount of time,
why would we not be invited into at least give
an opinion about what we see in a certain player,
a certain thing. I can think of Geno Carmazi or
I mean, like, we had lots of draft guys at quarterback,
Like what did you maybe let me work the guy out?
(40:46):
Why when you have the quarterback Like that's to me,
that's a big mistake that the league continues to make
and not you know, kind of getting the opinion of
the players that are.
Speaker 10 (40:56):
On the field.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I don't know how much you saw them should or
Sanders the past two seasons, but it feels like, you know,
we get to this point of leading up to the
draft and then you start to get opinions like we
build you up and then we tear you down. And
it certainly happens at that position. And I don't know
how much of a role or factor in Deon Sanders
(41:17):
with Shador Sanders or maybe teams are, you know, saying
negative things so he'll slide a little bit, which I
always find amazing that Wow, we're not going to take
him now. They said, you know some bad things about him.
What do you think of Shudoor Sanders as an NFL quarterback?
Speaker 8 (41:34):
I feel like we better talk about Dion for a
second because it's so much a part of the conversation.
And I think I've I shared this with you, but
if I haven't, I'll do it really quick. When he
joined the forty nine Ers, he pulled me aside and said, Steve,
I am the best teammate you'll ever have. I show
up every day, I'm ready to practice, I'm ready to play.
(41:54):
I'll always be there and I have your back. That's set.
Speaker 10 (41:58):
Now.
Speaker 8 (41:59):
The rest of it is a parade that I want
you to just get some popcorn and enjoy because it's
gonna be a good time, you know. And that's exactly
what he did. So I take that and it's exactly
who he was and who I think he is today.
It's it's there's a parade, and get your popcorn and
enjoy the prein I think Shador is part of that,
part of that same philosophy, right, It's like there's a
(42:19):
prey to enjoy and the popcorn everything.
Speaker 10 (42:22):
But is he ready to play football? Is he going
to do the hard work?
Speaker 8 (42:24):
Is going to be in the classroom, studying and memorizing
and getting ready to I think those are all things
that his dad would say, Hey, buddy, you better, you
better be ready to play ball.
Speaker 10 (42:35):
And so in that way, I'm not going to listen
to the noise I think that should. It's gonna be
a The question is about that the pure rock talent.
Speaker 8 (42:43):
It's not going to be about his work ethic, his
ability to you know, put the time into all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 10 (42:48):
I have no I have no worries about that.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
But you know, we used to say you had to
be six four. You know, we're looking for that guy
who's six four or sometype.
Speaker 8 (42:56):
The prototype Dan was in the pocket deliver the football.
That was because the game was different. The game is
now like if you how many teams are still in
the past, Like it is now a time where the
quarterback has to leave the huddle every day down with
a threat to with to attack the line of scrimmage
(43:17):
and make the defense worry. They're getting up free first
downs and free touchdowns. And every great quarterback today the
prototype is a guy that can run around, throw it
all over the field, but yet can still do the
traditional job of sitting in the pocket delivering the football.
That's the That's Matt Patrick, Mahomes, that's the guy. And
Shador he definitely fits the prototype. It might not be
(43:40):
size and weight exactly, but absolutely a prototype.
Speaker 10 (43:44):
Kind of player.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
To give me the guy, the guy who was successful
as a quarterback where you go it didn't make sense,
but he made it work. Like Drew Brees always amazed
me because I go, yeah, how does he do this?
And you know he was always had his head up.
I mean he was always looking downfield, all around always.
(44:07):
But is there somebody that you played with or against,
and you go, I don't know how he does it
because it's just at his size, it's unique.
Speaker 8 (44:17):
Uh well, yeah, I mean when I when I met
Russell Wilson and I was like, oh my gosh, that dude.
I mean, I didn't realize how much taller I was.
That made me feel good like I was dominating here.
But it's anyone. But I I admire people that are
shorter that can play the game because you know, there
is an element of you know, kind of visibility.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
But Drew Brees doesn't make sense because he's not fast,
he's not quick.
Speaker 10 (44:43):
But but but but he lived in it.
Speaker 8 (44:44):
He lived in an era where processing was the king,
it was the only king. And and in today's game,
processing is vital, but it's it doesn't It's not all
you have to have. You have to have the ability
to run around threat in the line of scribage. That's
why IM trying to tell you is it's different if
you talk about a you know, a player that stood
(45:05):
in one place his whole career back in the prototype days,
a previous prototype.
Speaker 10 (45:10):
I don't know that that person would thrive in today's game.
It's just that different.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Would you be a Hall of Famer in today's game.
Speaker 8 (45:17):
This is Dan, come on, this is my game. I
mean I was an audity back in the day. I
was the guy who's like, he's a scrambler.
Speaker 9 (45:23):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 8 (45:24):
Bill Watsh was the only one that I remember, and
luckily I was close to him that looked at me
in the eye and said, look, because you can run,
you're going to be better. I believe it makes you
more powerful, it makes you like the other one else
was like, this is an oddity. Tie his legs up,
you can't move. It's stupid. We don't need any It's
crazy scrambling, crazy guy like I was. I was absolutely
(45:48):
an audity in today's game.
Speaker 10 (45:50):
It is I am. I am the prototype, Dad, I am.
I am ready to go. Just give me a call
and I'll.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Are you better than Lamar Jackson in today's game?
Speaker 10 (46:00):
Still? What is okay? I can't help? But can you?
It's like it's like you're drawing like a like a
fly to the to.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
The point, why are you? You're fired up today?
Speaker 6 (46:11):
Like you?
Speaker 2 (46:13):
We want to test you a little bit here. I mean,
that's all I'm doing.
Speaker 8 (46:15):
But I would say, while we're on with Lamar, you
know he's one of my favorites, and I think that
he is the absolute prototype and his his greatness is
not still yet found because he hasn't found them to
be great and needed lots of help innovative minds and
offense today with lots of talent around you that can
run all over the field, like they're getting closer. B
(46:37):
Baltemarre finally capitulated a couple of years ago and said, Okay,
we're in. We're gonna get out of the sophisticated running game.
Speaker 10 (46:41):
We're gonna come. We're commit. We're gonna get you some
some some uh, you.
Speaker 8 (46:45):
Know, offensive minds that are gonna help you thrive as
a quarterback and if and get some talent out of
the wide receiver and really kind of down they're half
what there's sixty percent of the way there of who
Lamar Jackson could be. And if you want to compare, uh,
he's if we raced my peek in his peak, he's quicker.
Speaker 10 (47:02):
There's no doubt. Man. He can make people miss. I
can make people miss. Not like him, but if we raced,
I don't know, I don't know, I.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Don't know, you mean like a forty or one hundred.
Speaker 10 (47:15):
I think like a forty or even a thirty. You
know what I mean, like ra like top end speed.
You know what I mean. I don't know. We'll see
I was. I was sneaky. I was sneaky. I ran
down a lot of interceptors and then I.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Cleaned up my pass.
Speaker 10 (47:29):
I have Tom look it up. No one ever I
picked six was unheard of with me.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Never who would be?
Speaker 10 (47:35):
I think I was cleaning it up. But I could
chase him down, and I dragged down.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
A lot of guys who would be better at delivering papers.
It would be faster.
Speaker 10 (47:44):
You were.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Lamar Jackson'd be tight.
Speaker 10 (47:46):
Man close the collection day. He had to be on
the door. Who knows you taking people at the door.
Speaker 8 (47:53):
The kid can't find his mom, they don't have the money,
and then they could get really fucked up.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
I hope I didn't set the tone for your day
or ruin your day, because you know, this is therapy
for me, Dad.
Speaker 10 (48:06):
Someone wants to talk football at my house.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
This is like, oh God, you're surrounded by women.
Speaker 8 (48:11):
I know, it's just uh, they love they love the
game because they you know, like Taylor Swift said, it
was okay, So.
Speaker 10 (48:18):
They're like.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yes, Todd Steve Young during his NFL career, Dodd, No, no.
Speaker 10 (48:25):
No, the number off and fight out. There was a
pick six.
Speaker 9 (48:29):
No, not doing that.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
I have the number of pick sixes.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I thought, we need, no, we need He brought it up.
Speaker 5 (48:35):
What is it? Eleven interceptions returned for touchdown?
Speaker 4 (48:39):
Wow?
Speaker 10 (48:41):
Wow, Wow, it's impossible. Wow, that is impossible.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
You know what.
Speaker 8 (48:49):
That's what scares me a little bit, Dan, is that
when you live in your own little private Idaho and.
Speaker 10 (48:55):
You think, you know what this is, how great.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
You were right until you got on this over in
the corner.
Speaker 10 (49:03):
He just wants to just, you know, tear you down.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
One interceptions, Todd, can you see how many Montana through
pick sixes? Here? We gotta go, we have to go.
Speaker 10 (49:17):
That's the best.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Thank you, buddy,
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Men's bids last night, McNee State, American University, and Montana
no bids tonight. We are bidless tonight Thursday night, Thursday afternoon.
A couple other items here. Mac Jones is going to
the forty nine ers. So that was the Patriots to
Jacksonville to now the forty nine ers. Still awaiting what
(00:26):
the number is going to be for brock Perty It'll
start with a five. I was told this yesterday that
Geno Smith going to the Raiders. Gino Smith is going
to get a new contract or at least an extension
where Geno Smith might be making at least forty five
million dollars. So while we look at this where the
Raiders did well, they got Geno Smith, they got some stability,
(00:48):
it's going to cost them. Now we look at what
Sam Darnold signed for. Now that's a bargain because fifty
five million guaranteed out of a three or one hundred
million dollar deal, you might have him for twenty seven
and a half million dollars. I'll take that. You can
start to rebuild your roster.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
There.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
As for the Raiders, because the franchise tag is around
forty one million dollars. Geno Smith is probably going to
get a forty five million. You know, maybe it's two
years ninety million, but Gino Smith's gonna get paid by
the Raiders from what I'm told. All Right, Well, come
up with a poll question, Play of the day, stat
of the day. Watch some basketball. Last night, the Thunder
(01:27):
beat the Celtics. They're now fifty four and twelve. And
this is one of those games where you couple that
with Denver losing at home to Minnesota SGA once again
strengthening that MVP resume. The NBA find the Utah Jazz.
Now I'm watching this story and I'm going I'm curious
(01:48):
about this because Laurie Markinen, who is an All Star,
he has sat out nine games. The NBA officially announced
yesterday a one hundred thousand dollars fine for the Utah
Jazz for sitting him out of the team's games. Now,
like I said, being an All Star, now you're the
(02:09):
focus of the NBA. They want to make sure that
you're going to be playing, and they call them star players.
Teams can be fined for star players, defined as any
player who made an NBA All Star game over the
course of the last three seasons. And if you miss games,
let's say you miss games nationally televised the NBA Cup games,
(02:30):
or if a team representative says one thing about a
player's absence while the official injury report says another. I
was curious if Laurie Markinen was injured, Well, apparently he's not.
Long term star players shut down or near shut down,
which is defined as a star player stops playing or,
(02:51):
in the judgment of the league office, begins to play
in a materially reduced role, and this would affect the
integrity of the game Marketan has missed the Jazz last
nine games due to a lower back injury, but is
generally understood to be healthy and ready to play. Okay,
(03:14):
he's got aw who's the one who determined that he
has a lower back injury. How do you prove that
he doesn't have a lower back injury? And then who's
the person who said, no, he's healthy and ready to play.
If the league were to find the Jazz guilty of
violating the policy a second time, it would be two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars. A third offense would be
(03:37):
one point two five million dollars. Each subsequent offense increases
by a million dollars. After the fine was announced, Larie
Markinen was made available to play in the Jazz game
against the Medicals. They're obviously tanking. They would love to
(04:00):
get Cooper flag in Utah, But I don't know how
that works. If somebody says, hey, we want you to
sit down, like the competitor, I would I would be like, no, hey,
we really need you to sit down. Yeah, but I'm healthy. Yeah,
but for the good of the team, Can you sit
out nine games with a lower back injury? And do
(04:24):
they use the air quotes when they tell him You've
got what's wrong with me? You've got a lower back injury?
I do, Yes, You're gonna sit out for nine games.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
That's the stomach ache of school. You can't prove your stomach.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Then yeah, yes, don And what goes into and or
who's the panel in the league office that in the
judgment of the league office and generally understood to be
helping ready to play? Those are very vague terms that
could use some more explanation.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
We did ask the League office, who's the one investigating this?
Do you have an independent physician who flies all over
the country like all right, Lebron, bring out the groin,
let me see it, yes, Bowen.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
The Jazz are fifteen to fifty one. Since they started
not starting Lari market In, they've lost nine of their
last ten games, and their odds are increasing every day.
When you look at this rule, don't you think it's
the don't push it rule? Lari marketIn set nine straight games.
If he set three games, played played a gun, and
then set another three. I don't think they'll find them.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I didn't know that they had somebody who is kind
of in a clandestine role scene if something's nefarious going on.
Wait a minute, let me look at you know, this
is where somebody wins like a class action suit against somebody,
Oh I was in a car accident. And then they
have those you know cameras, those investigators that they see
some guy where he's out there swinging the golf club
(05:50):
or you know, he's changing tires on a semi and
then they go, ah, we got you. I don't know
if they're doing that with Lari Marketing, where they visit
his home and I took out the garbage. There's nothing
wrong with his bag. Is this a good thing? I guess.
I just the shocking part is that Laurie Marketing would
(06:14):
go okay if he did, because I think you have
to go to him and say you're not healthy. I'm
not No, you've got a lower back injury. I do, Yes,
you do, and we want you to sit out. We
want to make sure you're healthy for next season when
hopefully we get Cooper flag.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yes, Todd, it's well intended by the league, and I
could certainly appreciate that with all the load management and stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
But I still don't understand how you fully can approve
something like that.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
But he does somehow have a legitimate problem that doesn't
show up in an X ray or the average physician report.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I'm gonna guess he doesn't have a legitimate injury. I'm
guessing he might still have a lower back injury, but
he's not allowed to sit out. Although didn't the Mavericks
say with Anthony Davis with his injury, with Kyrie injured,
and they may shut him down, Well, why are you
allowed to shut down Anthony Davis just because Kyrie got hurt?
(07:11):
You need you need to uphold the competitive balance of
the league. That Dallas can't go. Eh, we're just going
to roll some guys out there. You still, if Anthony
Davis is healthy, you need to put him in the
lineup here, because what are you doing tanking? Ah, we'll
just shut him down. We got nothing to play for,
but teams playing you or teams hoping that you put
(07:35):
up a good fight against the team they're competing for
with a playoff spot. That's the competitive integrity of the game. Yes, Pom,
do you think we need a name for this rule?
I looked on the NBA's website. It's called the Player
Participation Policy, and you know I don't like thelliteration PPP. No,
my name is Paul Pabst. How about the Kohi rule?
(07:57):
We name it after a player? Is that mean spirited
to name it the rule? Well? How many times have
the Clippers been fined for? I mean, Kawhi feels like
he's always injured, But when he's healthy is when they
need to investigate.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Okay, then, if you want to go back, the origin
of this rule is twenty ten, the Spurs and Popovich
were fined two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. It was
precedent setting because it hadn't been done before he set Duncan, Jenobili, Parker,
and Danny Green in a nationally televised game against the Heat.
That's the genesis of this entire Yea.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
He told him to stay home now the game was
in Miami. He's like, no, stay home. And then all
of a sudden, it's like David Stern goes, oh, that's
gonna cost you. Maybe we call it the pop rule,
but that's another p Yeah before peace, Yes, Seaton.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I definitely didn't see it coming where.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
You know, the Utah Jazz they need to tank, so
they're like, all right, better get market In out of there.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Then sit them, sit them. We got to lose these games.
It's not like you go, boy, if we don't sit him,
we're going to be winning a ton of games. We're
just going to be through the rest of the league
if I don't sit him.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
Yeah, you know, it's kind of like when I'm looking
at this one article and they say Marketing is a
quote star player.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
He has quotes around star player.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, oh my god, I don't. I don't know if
a star players should have quotes around it.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
He was an All Star in twenty twenty three. Okay,
it say is star player air quotes?
Speaker 6 (09:21):
In this case, it has to have quotes because it's
a designation, not an opinion.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yes, Tom, what if.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
A player has incentive clauses about how many games they
played or when they're averaging?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So like, what if Llowie marketing.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I don't know what his contract is, but what if
he's getting affected financially by them telling him to sit?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Well, he's not going to be an All Star or
our first team, second team, third team. That's where you
have to have sixty five games. But I was just
kind of surprised that you think the opposition goes is
marketing plan? I don't think so. Now we have a chance.
You're the Utah Jazz, Yes, Marvin, and.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
They're doing all this just to get the eighth pick
in the draft.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
M maybe maybe higher than that. Where do they stand
with the Wizards in New Orleans?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Or maybe a message is saying, well.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
They got fifteen wins, they got fifteen.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Wins the lottery. You never know.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Yeah, Yes, Paul Washington has thirteen wins, Utah has fifteen,
Charlotte sixteen, and New Orleans eighteen. Washington, Utah, and Charlotte
as of right now weld each have a fourteen percent chance.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Okay, number one overall, So you're saying we got a chance.
But if you said to Cooper Flag, where do you
want to go? He's from Maine, not going to the Celtics.
If it's Washington, Utah, maybe Charlotte because you've been at Duke.
Maybe get to play with Alonzo Ball not Lonzo Lamela LaMelo.
(10:48):
I can't keep it straight, even though I should, because
there's only one that's really good. Do you want to
go to DC?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
No? No, it's almost like going to the Jets.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I think it's worse than the Jets.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Oh, yes it is, yes for sure. Yeah, because I
don't think the Wizards have won fifty games in my lifetime.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You mean in a season, not total in your lifetime, Well.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
In a season, yes, I don't think they've won fifty
games in my life.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well, hear from Josh Allen coming up Seaton. What's pole
question for hour one?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
It would be great if we I don't know if
we have enough options for it.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
But the new name for that rule that you were
just talking about, that would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Maybe we can populate that a bit.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Okay, pop.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Should say it's so funny. We're like a bunch of
seals in here. I said pop in the front row, and.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
We all saw the same pop pop pop pop pop
pop pop pop?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Did you just say pop pop?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You pay us for this, twelve year olds?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
What other pole question might you have?
Speaker 7 (11:57):
Well, we haven't gotten into some of the quote situations
in the mac Jones going to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, he is.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
A more interesting fella than I think it appears on
the surf.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Do you think there'll be a thirty for thirty on
mac Jones one day? This could be a chapter of it.
This could be he is.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
He is a wonderful case study and how luck and
timing play into a successful career.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
At that position. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio
dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to
listen live.
Speaker 9 (12:36):
Hey Steve Covino and I'm Rich David and together we're
Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You could catch
us weekdays from five to seven pm Eastern two to
four Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course the
iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich.
We talk about everything life, sports, relationships, what's going on
in the world. We have a lot of fun talking
about the stories behind the stories in the world of
(12:58):
sports and pop culture, stories that well other shows don't
seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact
that we've been friends for the last twenty years and
still work together. I mean that says.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Something, right, So check us out.
Speaker 9 (13:09):
We like to get you involved too, Take your phone calls,
chop it up. As they say, I'd say, the most
interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Most interactive show on planetar.
Speaker 9 (13:18):
Be sure to check out Cavino and Rich live on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app from five to
seven pm Eastern two to four Pacific, And if you
miss any of the live show, just search Covin on
Rich wherever you get your podcasts, and of course on
social media.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
That's Covino and Rich. Tom Pelsero, NFL Network insider busy
man the last few days here, Tom, let me start
with the winners and losers. If you were picking out
one team where you go clearly did better than everybody else.
And then if I said give me the loser, who
would you pick the.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Winners and losers are always tough because a lot of
the time the biggest free agent signings are the guys
you see cut two years later, and some of those
value type signings are the ones that work out the best.
Look at the Eagles last year with Zach Bond. Nobody
was talking about that. That was as impactful as anything,
but he's had a bunch of under the radar signings.
I would say I think that the teams that were
(14:13):
active that certly at least made an impact on their
teams this year. Look at the Patriots defensively, Geiney Milton Williams.
They had to pay a lot to get him, but
a game record type. They're playing new defensive scheme with
Mike Vrabel. They also brought it in Harold Landy who
got released by the Titans. He's got familiarity with Mike Vrabel,
Robert Spalane the linebacker, Carlton Davis the corner. I mean, again,
(14:35):
you'll see, we'll see what because these are all big
money types of signings, But in terms of the instantaneous impact,
I think that you're going to see it there. I
also would say I like at least the philosophy of
what Seattle is doing, and they've got some more moves
that they're going to need to make. But in essence,
you know, they've been going along with Geno Smithy. He
had wanted a contract redo last year. They don't do
(14:56):
that with two years left, just organizational philosophy. This year,
they came to them. They offered him a raise, they
offered him a deal. Gino didn't like it, did not
respond well to their offer. At some point they went
wait to say, we can trade him for a third
round pick, and then signed Sam Darnold, who's a decade
younger coming off a Pro Bowl, for a little bit
less money. We're just gonna we're gonna do that, you know.
(15:19):
And then DK Metcalf you get you get a second
round pick out of that deal. They're kind of rebooting,
you know, year two from Mike McDonald. What I like
about it is they were ten and seven and they
didn't go, hey, we're close, we just need it a
little bit more. Was you know what, ten and seven's
not the goal. Let's try to go win a championship
with the coach who's the youngest in the league that
we think could be really special. Here you know, again,
(15:40):
they still need wide receiver help. We'll see if they
get some more here in the coming days as well
as through the draft. But I thought that the way
that Seattle looked at this, the way they attacked it,
I thought, really said something about the focus of their
front office.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, Denver stood out to me quietly, Chicago, did you
know Washington did? And then you have the other end
of the spectrum, the team that made you go hmm.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Well, once again, I think that just anybody looking at
this says the Cowboys are just so generally inactive that
it just makes you wonder what's their plan. You know,
obviously they've got a new coaching staff in there. Brian
Shot and I were getting promoted to head coach, Matt
Eberflus coming in as the defensive coordinator. We've seen them
make some, you know, relatively smaller moves. They traded yesterday
(16:28):
for a couple of former high draft picks, Kenneth Murray
and Kyrie Elam. But you know, Murray had been a
fine player, but that was a salary dump for Tennessee
and Kyrie Elam it started like twelve games over three years.
You know, that's kind of like the Jonathan Mingo trade
they made last year from Carolina, where you know, they
give up a fourth per a guy that they thought
was a really top wide receiver in the draft, but
(16:48):
he hadn't had any you know, he hadn't had a
lot of productivity, and so you know, their biggest free
agent sidings at this point. I might be forgetting somebody
off the top of my head, but you know, Javonte Williams,
a running back who I was at the game in
Dallas a couple of years ago when he had the
best gay of his career, but he had an injury.
He's not quite at the same level of productivity. You
had to be sitting there and going when Washington's making
(17:09):
all these moves, right. They did it the deadline last
year with the Marshall and Lattimore trade. They did it
with the Deebo Samuel trade. This year, a Laramie Tunsell trade.
They're going on in said, hey, we got to catch
up to the Eagles. We're going to cash in right
now on a rookie quarterback contract for the Cowboys. They're
locked in with DAK, they're locked in with CD. They
got to figure out the Miket thing and they're operating
like a team, whether it's right or wrong. It doesn't
(17:31):
have a whole lot of flexibility, and you just wonder.
I'm not saying what they're doing is wrong, but you
do wonder, Okay, what's their plan for catching up in
a really, really competitive division.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And I don't know if this is true, though, Tom,
but it feels like Jerry Jones wants to prove how
smart they are. He is in the draft free agency. Okay,
I signed checks, but they don't go after free agents.
And they have done well on the draft, but I
don't know why. It's like a college coach who doesn't
believe in the transfer portal. Well, you got Dabo Sweeney
(18:03):
at Clemson. He doesn't believe in the trent and you're like,
you better get up to speed. But Jerry is never
They've never spent money. Who is in Greg Hardy is
their big free agent signing a decade ago.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
That was a wild while. I saw that stat that's
the last one they signed to a contract above what
like eight million dollars per years in free agency. That
feels like a lifetime ago. And there's a whole Greg
Hardy side story. We don't need to get into there.
But yeah, they've not been super active. They've been in
most cases slower to get their long term contracts done.
(18:36):
And the problem with that, we see it over and
over is when you wait on these deals, all that
does is give more leverage to the player. Whether it's
because of Dak playing out a franchise tag. It's like,
why does Dak make sixty million? I see people say
it all the time, Dak make sixty Josh allension for
fifty five. It's about leverage. Yeah, Dak played out a
franchise tag. They were at risk of having to tag
him a second time, which they did until the paperwork
(18:58):
went through, and then he played toward the end to
that deal that he had all the leverage in this case.
You know the same thing with CD last year where
Justin Jefferson resets the market. Now you're seeing them with
Michah Parsons. If the Cowboys jumped out, you know, whether
it was you know, forget about last year, you jump
out in March and just say, you know what, we're
gonna get this deal done with Mikah. You know you're
Troie probably talking about, hey, we get that about what
(19:19):
the MASX Crosby number was right, which is like thirty
five thirty five and a half million dollars a year.
Now Miles Garrett gets forty you know, Michael Parsons agents
are sitting there going, great, we'll s sit back and
wait and see if we get forty one. And now
you potentially have another off season where it's dominated by
what's gonna happen with Micah. You know, it will give
me the indication that they're at least open to exploring
(19:40):
whether or not they would trade him. I know they've
had internal discussions about, Okay, what's the right thing to
do when if you sign him for forty million plus,
that's going to give you a super top heavy type
of roster here. It's just that's that's kind of the
Cowboys way of doing business. And I definitely understand the
frustration of fans who are just going, what's the plan
to get better again? When you're chasing literally the Super
(20:02):
Bowl champs who arguably have the best roster in football.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Tom Pellisero, NFL Network insider, the Aaron Rodgers situation. I'm
curious about this from the Minnesota standpoint, Why don't they
just come out and say we're not interested in Aaron Rodgers.
You've already said to JJ McCarthy, we're moving on from
Sam Darnold. We believe in you if you truly believe
in JJ McCarthy. Unless they do, they're curious about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Listen, if the Vikings called Aaron Rodgers today and said, hey,
what do you think about coming and playing Minnesota, Aaron
Rodgers would be off that beach with the shawl around
his shoulders and be on a plane to Minnesota instantly.
I mean, that's the truth. Kevin O'Connell and Aaron Rodgers
have a relationship. They're about the same age. Believe it
or not. They are both California guys. They've known each
other for years. They talk, they text. But you drafted
(20:53):
JJ McCarthy last year tenth overall with the philosophy of
exactly what I was talking about with Washington, where you
got a young guy on a cost controlled contract, you
can spend all this money elsewhere, you can use draft picks,
you can go. We're going to try to win right
now by taking advantage of the fact that we've got
the quarterback on the cheap. Aaron Rodgers I believe would
come and play for not very much money at all
in Minnesota. But you're still changing the path for JJ
(21:16):
McCarthy at that point. It would be different if Sam
Darnold were coming back off the year he had, they
made him an offer, Seattle offered a way more money.
He's gone. Daniel Jones they tried to bring back. They
give themselves an option here just because JJ McCarthy is
in a very rare position where not only did he
not play as a working he didn't take a rep
the whole season, and there's no precedent for that. But
once those two options went away, my understanding has been
(21:40):
the most likely scenario, highly likely, is that JJ McCarthy
is going to be the starting quarterback and they'll pursue
a backup option. Why have they not ruled it out publicly?
I would say the Vikings philosophically just don't rule anything
out publicly. Is there some scenario here where, I mean,
think about this. Did JJ McCarthy has a setback in rehab.
I'm not saying he has, saying if that were to
(22:01):
happen right in may Or he tweaked something in OTAs
and Aaron's sitting out there still wandering in the sand,
maybe you go, hey, this is exactly the type of
opportunity here, you know, and I think that you know
from Aaron's perspective, and listen, there's only one person inside
his head. Aaron's deep inside there.
Speaker 10 (22:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
He's got to make up his decision about what he
wants to do. Does he really want to play? And
at some point some of the options that he's got
right now potentially are going to go away. I mean
because right now Russell Wilson's in Cleveland today. If all
of a sudden, the Browns and I don't know that
this is going to happen, but let's say the Browns
decide we'd like to make you an offer, we'd like
to bring you in. And now all of a sudden,
(22:39):
the Steelers are in a situation of all right, we
can either keep waiting for Aaron, who learned a lot
from Brett Farvre, and when Brett Favre went from the
Jets to the Vikings, he signed on August eighteenth in
two thousand and nine. We can't sit here and just wait.
We don't want to lose Russell Wilson would be playing
c because Justin Fields has planning. We don't want to
go from A to B to C to whatever is D.
(23:00):
We need to do something right now. That's where the
teams at some point might need to move forward. Hasn't
happened yet, but that time is coming here. And as
much as Aaron might feel like he needs to meditate
on this and really get in touch with all the
different factors in his life, at some point it's you
got to make a decision, and time will tell how
much how much lease the teams are willing to give
(23:21):
him to do that.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I don't let Russell Wilson out of the building. If
I'm Cleveland, I just say, hey, Russ, let's make this work.
You can show Pittsburgh. We'll come back and haunt Pittsburgh
here and you know whatever your reclamation tour. And I
wonder if the Steelers could be kind of like, let's
say Aaron Rodgers says, hey, you know what I'm gonna
play for the Giants, Like Pittsburgh could be Duck Devlin
(23:45):
or whoever, like, don't I don't know what Plant Gardner,
Minshew or Drew Long, like they could be down to
plan D here.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I love a good Devlin Duck Hodges reference in the morning. Dan, Yeah,
I mean listen, they're they're there are some other things
out there. But yeah, let's let's game this out. Let's
game out the situation that you just did, which I
talked through with some people this morning. Let's say, and
I don't know what's going to happen, Let's say the
Browns signed Russell Wilson today. Now the Giants and the
Steelers are waiting on one guy who may or may
(24:17):
not even decide that he ultimately wants to play football
in twenty twenty five. Your other options beyond that are
you try to get Kirk Cousins out of Atlanta, where
that's still an evolving situation there. He's do twenty seven
point five fully guaranteed another ten million or twenty twenty
six vess if he's on the roster comes Sunday. The
Falcons don't seem concerned about that at all, because they figure, hey,
(24:38):
another ten million invest two years from now, he'll probably
make that and it'll be offset anyway, so not a
big deal. They're gonna wait. But Kirk also has no
trade clause. He might not want to go to certain
teams that might have an interest in him, so that's
one option. Then after that, you're into. Is Joe Flacco
a starter in the NFL somewhere this season, Jamis Winston,
(24:59):
Drew Locke is still out there. You try to make
something out of Trey Lance, I mean your option, your
list of options are getting shorter here. I don't know, frankly,
if any of these options down they're big names. I
don't know if any of these options are stuff that
fans are going to, you know, blow up the phone
lines or get online and buy tickets to go see
forty one year old old Aaron Rodgers, thirty six year
(25:19):
old Russell Wilson, forty forty one year old Joe Flackball.
I don't know that any of these are, you know,
the options that are going to like spur you, not
the way it did when the Jets traded for Rodgers
a couple of years ago. But they are competent quarterbacks,
and in a quarterback draft where there is very little
certainty beyond cam Ward probably be in the first quarterback
and quite possibly the number one overall pick. You know,
at least locking in somebody who you know can go
(25:41):
out and function an offense and get the ball to
your playmakers. It gives you a little bit more options.
Can they afford the next week?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Can they afford another nine and eight season? Can Mike
Tomlin afford another nine and eight? Maybe you make the
playoffs and you bowl out again in the first round.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I think Mike Comlin has a very unique situation Pittsburgh,
and I've talked with ur Rooney for it before. Ur
Rooney's belief, and he got this from his father and
his grandfather was as long as the coach's voice is
still resonating in the locker room, you feel like people
believe in him. They're not gonna move. But I would
say the Steelers are not standing pat They just traded
a second round pick to go get DK Metcalf and
gave him the biggest contract for a non quarterback in
(26:19):
franchise history. So the Steelers are being proactive here. If
I'm George Pickens and I'm DK Metcalf right now, I
definitely want to know who's throwing me the football. Russell Wilson. Listen,
he's thirty six. He doesn't move as well. He doesn't
throw the ball as well in the middle of the
field as he used to is he doesn't have the
same escapability. If there's one thing he does it's throw
the ball to the perimeter, fifty to fifty balls, let
your big receivers go and get it. Well, the Steelers
(26:41):
have the biggest outside receivers in the game right now
with Pickens and Metcalf here. I know that people are
going to look at that and say it's not a
really alluring option. But for the Steelers, if that's where
this ends up, it does make some sense to give
it one more shot. Hope Russ is healthy and could
find you know, seventeen games like he found about those
first four or five he played last year.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Any chance, Well, I guess the Niners are going to
sign rock Party, right, That's not in doubt.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
They're negotiating, They have had negotiations exchange bargaining proposals. I
would anticipate that they are going to get Brock purty side.
As for mac Jones, because I know that's where you're going.
They obviously there was a lot of discussions about them
taking him in the draft in twenty twenty one. They
ultimately opted for Trey Lance. They actually tried to trade
for mac Jones last year when he got traded to Jacksonville,
but they offered a really low pick. The Patriots decided
(27:31):
to send them to the Jaguars instead. So this is
like the third swing to Kyle Shanahan and company have
made at bringing in mac Jones. And let's say something
were to happen to brock Purty if he were to
get banged up. I think they feel good about mac
Jones going in, but this is not there. From my
understanding on the brock Purty negotiations, they still want to
get him locked up for the long haul. If you
look at the numbers, even in a quote unquote down
(27:52):
year for him last year, he's still one of the
most efficient quarterbacks in football. The key is going to
be what's that number at a time that we think
about this, And the highest paid quarterback two years ago
in the NFL for a brief moment was Jalen Hurts
at fifty one million a year. He is now the
tenth highest paid quarterback. You wonder where's all those cap
dollars go? The caps it's loaded by twenty five percent.
(28:12):
Most of that's gone to the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Thanks for spending time, and I know you're busy. Thank
you again, Tom, you got it do It's Tom Pelsero,
NFL Network insider.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
He's the Hall of Famer, three time Super Bowl champ
of the Niners. Steve Young back on the program. Steve,
we were wondering, did you ever have a full time
job aside from being a football player when you got
out of high school and you went to BYU, did
you ever have a job like you know some of
ninety nine percent of the rest of Americans, where maybe
(28:52):
you wash dishes or something. So Todd, let me start
with you, Steve Young. Did he have a job and
what job was it?
Speaker 5 (28:59):
I think he did have a was some kind of
paralegal or something with a loan or something along.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Okay, I know, hold on, hold on, hold on, I
got to go round the room. Everybody gets a guess here.
But you know, keep in mind, he grew up in Greenwich,
Connecticut Street Street, the other side of the tracks in Greenwich.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
See, oh boy, yeah, that really changes things, doesn't it.
I think he has had a job. I think it
was more like working at someone's store store.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Okay, Marvin.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
The Great One worked at a car dealership, card dealership, Paul.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Real specific when he's young, a caddie in Greenwich, and
when he was in college, probably like an internship with
a hedge fund or something.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I'm going to say probably had a paper route. And
I'm going to say that he worked. I'm gonna say
he worked for his father, Steve.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
All right, So uh, the young family had the famous
paper and I started it for you that's when we
were little. That doesn't really count, but I'm giving you
the credit for it because I got to tell you
the story that my brother the worst day of the
paper out was when you had to go collect the
money and knock on the door and ask for the
dollar thirty for the Granwich.
Speaker 10 (30:11):
Times, you know, as a pain. And one day my
brother told my mom I'm not doing it, and I'm not.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
She got so sick of it. And this is great
like story when my mom punches my brother as hard
as it puts them back against the wall, and we
laugh about it today that my mom, who is the
greatest peacemaker of all time, who would never like her
to fleet, somehow got so enraged.
Speaker 10 (30:35):
Because my brother would not go collect for the Greenwich dunch.
She punched him.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
So anyway, I was in high school and in college,
I worked all summers with landscape company bucket Lands, her
own man in Grantwich, Connecticut, and I ran a whole
truck of guys. And a funny thing about Greenwich is
you pull up to these big places, these biggest states,
you know, to go cut their lawn, and all the
moms like, come inside, the landscapers are here.
Speaker 10 (31:03):
We don't want to mix company. And I was like,
you know, I was.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
It was.
Speaker 10 (31:08):
It was rough and tumble back then. Yeah, that was
my job. That hedge fun thing is great. Yeah that works.
Speaker 9 (31:13):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Okay, if you're Aaron Rodgers, I'm gonna make you Aaron Rodgers,
and I'm gonna give you the opportunity for Pittsburgh and
New York with maybe the possibility of the Vikings. What
would you do.
Speaker 10 (31:26):
I'd sprint to the Vikings if possible.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
I'm you know why Sam would leave a place where
he knows you're gonna thrive me because they had to.
Speaker 10 (31:33):
They told me what he'd have a spot.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
But you've got to find Dan in today's game, You've
got to find a place where someone has left. Kyle
Shanahan Sean McVay or Andy Reid and understands the new
kind of run to the future that is necessary to
be great for quarterbacks.
Speaker 10 (31:50):
And then you got to run to those teams.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
And that's what Sam found in San Francisco briefly as
a backup and then as a starter in Minnesota.
Speaker 10 (31:56):
So I'd run McConnell's fast as any of them, because.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
That's what you if you're gonna have, if you're gonna
thrive in today's game, especially with what all that Aaron
knows he was, he was born and raised in a
more sophisticated era of the NFL.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
He can take advantage of him.
Speaker 8 (32:11):
That's why Tom Brady, I think we've talked about this before,
towards the end of his career, ran into him in
a money night game and I go, what's the difference
between the old before the rule changes and now he goes, well,
now the flats are always open, the middle of the
field is unpatrolled, and no one can hit me. And
so Aaron understands that, Like, that's why people can play
in their forties, because we know we learned at a
more sophisticated time. So get to a place that understands
(32:33):
the future and go dominate.
Speaker 10 (32:36):
I don't. I look, if you that's to me, that's
an obvious one. If that's a chance.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Okay, but does Pittsburgh make sense for him if they
want him?
Speaker 8 (32:46):
No, we had to go win some games. Yeah, but
they're not built. They don't they have him not run
to the future as far as the quarterback position. And
those are the teams that are in the Super Bowl year,
they're in the Championship game. Every year they're they go
deep in the playoffs. And so I would say, yeah,
go on with your bad stuff. If you don't want
to play, you know, you don't want to retire.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I'm not.
Speaker 10 (33:05):
I'm not done.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
Look at playing playing Pittsburgh's amazing. I mean it's you know,
they're gonna win a lot of games. They always do,
and he can help me win more. But I just
I think the way I see the game today, the
way the NFL is built. You know, you got to
you know New York Giants.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
No, No, okay, but are the Eagles in that same
blueprint that you're talking about, because yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
I look, Dan, I know you're trying to trick me
here and try to catch me on my my little theory. Yes,
because they have a quarterback that's still, you know, is
gonna threaten the line of scrimmage every play. They've got
a unique way to run the football, just like the
forty nine ers did, and I give them credit for that,
But the idea that you're now gonna go win super
Bowls by playing great defense in a running game is
(33:52):
just not the way that it's gonna get done. You
have a very dynamic quarterback position, which they do have,
and I think that's where they are a team of
the future in that way. They have a unique way
to do it with Saquon, which I give them as
an anomaly. But you know, the idea that today's game,
you can throw together a number one defense and a
great running game and go wing the Super Bowl doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
But if I gave you Saquon Barkley or Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
It's these stupid bar fights, like you know, yeah, I
in today's game, Justin Jefferson with a great, renovative offensive
mind and and a quarterback that understands the position that
can really thrive, those are the guys that go. So
I'd go that way.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Did you call it a stupid bar fight? That well,
Let's what is this I do for a living?
Speaker 8 (34:45):
I know, but sometimes you just gotta you gotta admire
and and just stand back and just say, look, people
are great, and I don't want to have to pick
you know, you know how hard it is to be great,
and then you want to pick between great like I
don't know's.
Speaker 10 (34:58):
It's a bar fight.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
It's just a fun philosophical question. As a quarterback, who
do you want the guy right behind me?
Speaker 8 (35:04):
Let's let's do more of it. Let what can we
talk about Mohammed Ali versus what do you want to do?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
You call it better quarterback? You were Montana.
Speaker 10 (35:15):
I didn't even have to. I was just sitting here
going I know, I know, listen, you made me do that.
It's good. I was at Tomam and Ali, I was
trying to get you off traps.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Do you get a Christmas card from Joe Montana's family?
Speaker 10 (35:30):
Uh No, but I don't. I mean, look, don't try to.
We never fought. We didn't, we never had a fight,
we never had a disagreement, we never I.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Just asked Hi about a Christmas card.
Speaker 10 (35:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
No, I'm just trying to say, I'm trying to get
ahead of you now because I'm trying to get you off,
but I'm trying to get ahead of you.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Steve Young, the Hall of Famer joining us on the show.
You are on record, I think beginning of February where
you talked about the Niners need to make or not make.
Maybe that sounds strong rock Party take advantage of his legs.
He's not Jayden Daniels, but I think your quote was
he could be eighty percent of Jayden daniel Right, you
(36:09):
truly believe that.
Speaker 9 (36:10):
I do.
Speaker 10 (36:11):
I think he's nifty right.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
You saw him in the pocket, He move around, he
can carry the football out of the huddle. Look, I
don't want to go back over it again. But because
the field has gotten bigger, essentially because of the rule changes,
you can't launch your body at defenders can't patrol the
field as well as they can.
Speaker 10 (36:29):
It's the game is.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
Quarterback position has to threaten the line of scrimmage every play.
They don't need to go do it, but the threat
needs to be there. It's too powerful and the players
that the quarterbacks that are doing that every play are
the ones that are thriving.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
And so for Brock, he can threaten the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
Essentially, as fast or as strong or all the stuff
that other guys do, but he can't do it. And
I think you have to lead into it, because if
you don't threaten the line of scrimmage, all you're going
to do is be a processing, a phenomenal processing quarterback,
and every play is out of the huddle, and we're
going to just complete lots of passes.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
Then you're gonna have to go the retail way, right,
you have to go the long way in today's game.
Speaker 8 (37:07):
There's shortcuts everywhere, and you got to take advantage of them.
And and and so I think he can do more
of that. And I think that and as they try
to iterate, Look, when the world changes happen, there's three
guys that ran into the future, Andy Reid, Kyle Shan
and Sean McVay, and every coach that come out that's
been thriving in the NFL's come from those guys, and
(37:28):
they've all kind of they had a tactical advantage for six,
seven to eight years.
Speaker 10 (37:32):
That tactical advantage has gone.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
Now there's too many guys out they're teaching the same thing.
So there's got to be a new iteration of it,
a new you know, uh real, you know, kind of
reinvent yourself. And so for Kyle and Brock, to me,
it's leaning into threatening the line of scrimmage with him
carrying the football. I know that sounds scary to people
and that's how he gets hurt and all that kind
(37:55):
of stuff. But in today's game, you have to do
it or if you're going to be championship football.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
It's look at the amount of money that the quarterbacks
make and they defer, you know, they restructure their deals.
At what point do you think a quarterback should have
a say in what is done with the money that
they're freeing up like Mahomes Josh Allen yep? Should they
be able to have input in free agency?
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Look, given enough time, in a million years, all sports
leagues will be owned by the players, right because they're
the ones that are on the field. They'll they'll be
the equity owners. It's inevitable over a million years. It's
just that football is going to be a really long time.
But I think that in that sense, players, especially the
ones that you've invested to be the you know, the
(38:42):
pillars of your of your of your team, should be included,
should be included those personnel conversations should be included in
the draft.
Speaker 10 (38:52):
The biggest mistake, And I told Aaron Rodd, I told Tom,
I took pay.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
I told anyone I could that the biggest mistake I
made was not Look, I don't want to say that.
I did not wanted to do unnatural things and walk
in and tell him you better draft that guy, or
you better take care of me, or you better No.
But I wish that I would have gone into them,
into the room and and and how to say, and
had the conversation and talk through it and try to
(39:18):
make sure that we were, you know, as a as
a quarterback, trying to advocate for what felt like we
needed to try to take care of. And I encourage
players to do it with the right spirit, with the
right you know, the way to do it it with tactically,
that's appropriate, that kind of thing. But but absolutely, Dan,
if you're going to do a quarterback a team friendly
(39:38):
deal over many, many years, you better you got to
tell me you're going to be part of those conversations.
Speaker 10 (39:44):
Absolutely well.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You can only imagine what Aaron Rodgers felt when he's
watching the draft and they decided to take Jordan Love
and they gave him a five minute there's tough moments.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
I look, I'm not I'm not even trying to avoid
that or like, oh don't I you know, I'm gonna
go and advocate.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
You better not do.
Speaker 8 (40:01):
I'm not talking about threatening. What I'm trying to do
is is build a partnership in personnel. Because what I
what my experience was, and I'm sure it's still the same.
We watched every player, every draft class come in the
first OTA, and we as players were all look at
the guys that they drafted and like, yeah, he's pretty
good or oh he sucks, you know right away, and like,
(40:24):
as players, if we have that sense in fifteen minutes,
I'm overstating it, but in a very short amount of time,
why would we not be invited into at least give
an opinion about what we see in a certain player,
a certain thing. I can think of Geno Carmazi or
I mean, like, we had lots of draft guys at quarterback,
Like what did you maybe let me work the guy out?
(40:46):
Why when you have the quarterback Like that's to me,
that's a big mistake that the league continues to make
and not you know, kind of getting the opinion of
the players that are.
Speaker 10 (40:56):
On the field.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I don't know how much you saw them should or
Sanders the past two seasons, but it feels like, you know,
we get to this point of leading up to the
draft and then you start to get opinions like we
build you up and then we tear you down. And
it certainly happens at that position. And I don't know
how much of a role or factor in Deon Sanders
(41:17):
with Shador Sanders or maybe teams are, you know, saying
negative things so he'll slide a little bit, which I
always find amazing that Wow, we're not going to take
him now. They said, you know some bad things about him.
What do you think of Shudoor Sanders as an NFL quarterback?
Speaker 8 (41:34):
I feel like we better talk about Dion for a
second because it's so much a part of the conversation.
And I think I've I shared this with you, but
if I haven't, I'll do it really quick. When he
joined the forty nine Ers, he pulled me aside and said, Steve,
I am the best teammate you'll ever have. I show
up every day, I'm ready to practice, I'm ready to play.
(41:54):
I'll always be there and I have your back. That's set.
Speaker 10 (41:58):
Now.
Speaker 8 (41:59):
The rest of it is a parade that I want
you to just get some popcorn and enjoy because it's
gonna be a good time, you know. And that's exactly
what he did. So I take that and it's exactly
who he was and who I think he is today.
It's it's there's a parade, and get your popcorn and
enjoy the prein I think Shador is part of that,
part of that same philosophy, right, It's like there's a
(42:19):
prey to enjoy and the popcorn everything.
Speaker 10 (42:22):
But is he ready to play football? Is he going
to do the hard work?
Speaker 8 (42:24):
Is going to be in the classroom, studying and memorizing
and getting ready to I think those are all things
that his dad would say, Hey, buddy, you better, you
better be ready to play ball.
Speaker 10 (42:35):
And so in that way, I'm not going to listen
to the noise I think that should. It's gonna be
a The question is about that the pure rock talent.
Speaker 8 (42:43):
It's not going to be about his work ethic, his
ability to you know, put the time into all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 10 (42:48):
I have no I have no worries about that.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
But you know, we used to say you had to
be six four. You know, we're looking for that guy
who's six four or sometype.
Speaker 8 (42:56):
The prototype Dan was in the pocket deliver the football.
That was because the game was different. The game is
now like if you how many teams are still in
the past, Like it is now a time where the
quarterback has to leave the huddle every day down with
a threat to with to attack the line of scrimmage
(43:17):
and make the defense worry. They're getting up free first
downs and free touchdowns. And every great quarterback today the
prototype is a guy that can run around, throw it
all over the field, but yet can still do the
traditional job of sitting in the pocket delivering the football.
That's the That's Matt Patrick, Mahomes, that's the guy. And
Shador he definitely fits the prototype. It might not be
(43:40):
size and weight exactly, but absolutely a prototype.
Speaker 10 (43:44):
Kind of player.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
To give me the guy, the guy who was successful
as a quarterback where you go it didn't make sense,
but he made it work. Like Drew Brees always amazed
me because I go, yeah, how does he do this?
And you know he was always had his head up.
I mean he was always looking downfield, all around always.
(44:07):
But is there somebody that you played with or against,
and you go, I don't know how he does it
because it's just at his size, it's unique.
Speaker 8 (44:17):
Uh well, yeah, I mean when I when I met
Russell Wilson and I was like, oh my gosh, that dude.
I mean, I didn't realize how much taller I was.
That made me feel good like I was dominating here.
But it's anyone. But I I admire people that are
shorter that can play the game because you know, there
is an element of you know, kind of visibility.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
But Drew Brees doesn't make sense because he's not fast,
he's not quick.
Speaker 10 (44:43):
But but but but he lived in it.
Speaker 8 (44:44):
He lived in an era where processing was the king,
it was the only king. And and in today's game,
processing is vital, but it's it doesn't It's not all
you have to have. You have to have the ability
to run around threat in the line of scribage. That's
why IM trying to tell you is it's different if
you talk about a you know, a player that stood
(45:05):
in one place his whole career back in the prototype days,
a previous prototype.
Speaker 10 (45:10):
I don't know that that person would thrive in today's game.
It's just that different.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Would you be a Hall of Famer in today's game.
Speaker 8 (45:17):
This is Dan, come on, this is my game. I
mean I was an audity back in the day. I
was the guy who's like, he's a scrambler.
Speaker 9 (45:23):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 8 (45:24):
Bill Watsh was the only one that I remember, and
luckily I was close to him that looked at me
in the eye and said, look, because you can run,
you're going to be better. I believe it makes you
more powerful, it makes you like the other one else
was like, this is an oddity. Tie his legs up,
you can't move. It's stupid. We don't need any It's
crazy scrambling, crazy guy like I was. I was absolutely
(45:48):
an audity in today's game.
Speaker 10 (45:50):
It is I am. I am the prototype, Dad, I am.
I am ready to go. Just give me a call
and I'll.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Are you better than Lamar Jackson in today's game?
Speaker 10 (46:00):
Still? What is okay? I can't help? But can you?
It's like it's like you're drawing like a like a
fly to the to.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
The point, why are you? You're fired up today?
Speaker 6 (46:11):
Like you?
Speaker 2 (46:13):
We want to test you a little bit here. I mean,
that's all I'm doing.
Speaker 8 (46:15):
But I would say, while we're on with Lamar, you
know he's one of my favorites, and I think that
he is the absolute prototype and his his greatness is
not still yet found because he hasn't found them to
be great and needed lots of help innovative minds and
offense today with lots of talent around you that can
run all over the field, like they're getting closer. B
(46:37):
Baltemarre finally capitulated a couple of years ago and said, Okay,
we're in. We're gonna get out of the sophisticated running game.
Speaker 10 (46:41):
We're gonna come. We're commit. We're gonna get you some
some some uh, you.
Speaker 8 (46:45):
Know, offensive minds that are gonna help you thrive as
a quarterback and if and get some talent out of
the wide receiver and really kind of down they're half
what there's sixty percent of the way there of who
Lamar Jackson could be. And if you want to compare, uh,
he's if we raced my peek in his peak, he's quicker.
Speaker 10 (47:02):
There's no doubt. Man. He can make people miss. I
can make people miss. Not like him, but if we raced,
I don't know, I don't know, I.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Don't know, you mean like a forty or one hundred.
Speaker 10 (47:15):
I think like a forty or even a thirty. You
know what I mean, like ra like top end speed.
You know what I mean. I don't know. We'll see
I was. I was sneaky. I was sneaky. I ran
down a lot of interceptors and then I.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Cleaned up my pass.
Speaker 10 (47:29):
I have Tom look it up. No one ever I
picked six was unheard of with me.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Never who would be?
Speaker 10 (47:35):
I think I was cleaning it up. But I could
chase him down, and I dragged down.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
A lot of guys who would be better at delivering papers.
It would be faster.
Speaker 10 (47:44):
You were.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Lamar Jackson'd be tight.
Speaker 10 (47:46):
Man close the collection day. He had to be on
the door. Who knows you taking people at the door.
Speaker 8 (47:53):
The kid can't find his mom, they don't have the money,
and then they could get really fucked up.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
I hope I didn't set the tone for your day
or ruin your day, because you know, this is therapy
for me, Dad.
Speaker 10 (48:06):
Someone wants to talk football at my house.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
This is like, oh God, you're surrounded by women.
Speaker 8 (48:11):
I know, it's just uh, they love they love the
game because they you know, like Taylor Swift said, it
was okay, So.
Speaker 10 (48:18):
They're like.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yes, Todd Steve Young during his NFL career, Dodd, No, no.
Speaker 10 (48:25):
No, the number off and fight out. There was a
pick six.
Speaker 9 (48:29):
No, not doing that.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
I have the number of pick sixes.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I thought, we need, no, we need He brought it up.
Speaker 5 (48:35):
What is it? Eleven interceptions returned for touchdown?
Speaker 4 (48:39):
Wow?
Speaker 10 (48:41):
Wow, Wow, it's impossible. Wow, that is impossible.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
You know what.
Speaker 8 (48:49):
That's what scares me a little bit, Dan, is that
when you live in your own little private Idaho and.
Speaker 10 (48:55):
You think, you know what this is, how great.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
You were right until you got on this over in
the corner.
Speaker 10 (49:03):
He just wants to just, you know, tear you down.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
One interceptions, Todd, can you see how many Montana through
pick sixes? Here? We gotta go, we have to go.
Speaker 10 (49:17):
That's the best.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Thank you, buddy,
Hosts And Creators
Todd "Fritzy" Fritz
Dan Patrick
Patrick "Seton" O'Connor
Paul Pabst
Marvin Prince
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!