March 14, 2025 • 48 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP discusses Steph Curry surpassing 4,000 NBA Three Pointers. Where does he rank in the greatest of all time discussion? Former NFL CB Devin McCourty discusses the DeMarcus Lawrence comments and what this means for the current state of the Dallas Cowboys. Former NFL GM Mike Tannenbaum breaks down the Aaron Rodgers decision and explains what the future of the QB position could look like in the NFL.
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Speaker 3 (01:44):
A lot of basketball.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
No bids last night, no bids today or tonight, but
plenty over the weekend. The big story was Cooper Flag
getting injured yesterday. The ankle is iffy. I think it's
worse than iffy right now if he's going to be
able to play against North Carolina. But the conference tournaments
keep rolling, the let's see men's bids. Nothing over the
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Saturday and Sunday we'll have that Steph Curry his four
thousandth three pointer and the Spurs lose to Aaron Fox
for the rest of the season. Just some of the
headlines there. I want to start with maybe the greatest
sports book ever written. It was nineteen eighty five nineteen
eighty six Indiana Basketball, and the book was a season
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on the brink and It was written by John Feinstein,
who passed away yesterday at the age of sixty nine.
It was a wonderful inside look at Bob Knight and
Indiana basketball, and he had full access, and boy did
he use it. And then it came out and Bob
Knight hated it, which meant it was true. It was great,
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and it was. But John worked for the Washington Post.
I would cross paths with John. It was golf or
it was basketball. He was there and he was doggedly
determined to get something that nobody else had. He just
he would work tirelessly and he was unique in what
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he did and how he did it. He was also
in the shadow of the great sports writers at the
Washington Post. I mean Tom Boswell and Michael Wilbond and
Tony Kornheiser. But John Feinstein had always felt like was
the little brother.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
But he was not.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
He wrote over forty books. He wrote a book about
the Civil War. It was Army Navy football. He wrote
a book about golf, A good Walk Spoiled. He wrote
a book about the Patriot League. John, give him a
topic and he'll go to town. But at the time
the book came out, he was thirty years of age.
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Season on the Brink. I mean, when you think about it,
that's thirty nine years ago. But John had a good
relationship with Bob Knight, and not many people did, certainly
sports writers. But it cost John his relationship with Bob Knight.
But he wrote over forty books and really was a remarkable,
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remarkable reporter. And that's what it takes sometimes when you're
writing a book, You've got to be a great reporter.
You've got to be able to take notes, you've got
to be able to find out things. But he was polarizing.
John was not lovable, he was not embraceable, but John
didn't care.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
That's who John was.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And I hope that Press Row leaves the seat for
John Feinstein in San Antonio the Final Four and they
joked about when John would go to Indiana basketball games
at Assembly Hall, he had a seat. They called it
the Feinstein seat, like John was there. And I hope
that they create the Feinstein seat because every basketball writer
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in America was a tip of the cap or tip
of the pen to John Feinstein. Season on the Brink.
You can make a case best sports book ever written.
And I know that's a big, big blanket to throw
over sports writing. But what John did, how he did it,
when he did it, and he did it with Bob Knight.
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John got famous quickly. Yes, Marvin, is that your favorite
sports book? You know, I didn't think of it. What
is my favorite sports book? I think Ball four might
have been because of what it was at the time.
We were finding out things that were happening on road
trips with baseball players. You know, Jim Boughten was spilling
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the beans and he was alienated. I mean, but this
is nineteen seventy where you're finding out things with guys
and he's playing for a non descript team, Seattle Pilots,
And that to me was like, wow, he's telling things
that are going on with his teammates here in this book.
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That was probably the first one I read where I
thought I was I was finding out things that maybe
we weren't supposed to know, and we probably weren't supposed
to know, but Jim Boughton, you know, kind of let
us behind the curtain. I don't know what book comes
up if I say favorite sports book of all time?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
What book would come up for you? Marv?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
For me, Friday Night Lights.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Okay, it's just a great look at everything, like with
football as the foundation. Sure, race, socioeconomics, politics, everything, but
football was the basis.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, what about you, Todd, do you have a favorite
sports book?
Speaker 6 (06:35):
I read a book what's called The Color Orange had
kind of about the history of the Broncos, especially after that
eighty six season. That probably wouldn't resonate unless you're a
big Bronco fan. But The Color Orange was well done, Paulie.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
If not season the Brink, I'll go with Heaven is
a Playground by Rick Tellender. He spent a summer in
Brooklyn with streetball players like Fly Williams, Bernard King, and
Albert King and I've read it five six times.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Foul was another one about Connie Hawkins, and it was
about a New York legend and was he going to
be able to play in college and then getting, you know,
kind of kicked out of college and then playing in
the pros. I eventually got to see Connie Hawkins when
he was with the Phoenix Suns. He came to Cincinnati,
and I just remember reading that book and there he
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was right in front of me. Seaton, do you have
a book that maybe stands out best sports book.
Speaker 8 (07:27):
There? Was a really great book that just came out
in the last couple of years about the annals of
sports history. I believe Dan, was that your book? That
was that was the best book sports book I ever read.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Wow, that was supposed to be Marvin's answer.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, it's a Friday. Good move, Seaton, thank you.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
See that was really that's yeah. I mean it's the
only one that comes to mind for me.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yeah, yes, Bo, I'm just reading some background because you
can't really overstate what a big deal. Season on the
Brink was Night finished under five hundred and the Big
Ten the year before it was a mess. And that's
the season John Finstein took a leave of absence. He
made seventeen grand upfront for the book, and then he
got money on the back end. Two years after the
book came out, they won the Final four Indiana. But
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it was a hot time in Bluington.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
His last column appeared in the Washington Post and that
was just a couple of days ago, and it was
a profile on Michigan State head coach Tom is A.
But John Feinstein left a lasting imprint on the world
of sports. Dead at the age of sixty nine, all
right eight seven seven to three DP show email address
Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle a DP show. It's a
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meet Friday. But Tyler's not here. He was on the
road with a big german doing a site survey in Iowa,
and they drove thirty six hours.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Those two.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
You imagine the big German and Tyler and that would
be a buddy movie. I don't know if their buddies
after getting home yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
That dynamic is pretty fascinating. Yes, and they're relaying.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
But I talked to the big German yesterday afternoon and
he sounded like he had been up for thirty six
hours driving back with Tyler. But so we reached out
to our good brother buddy Lou, who's going to bring
in corn beef. So we're having corn beef sandwiches today.
Who is it.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Better than we do? No body? Okay, Seeton, what's poll
question today? Let's see we got a couple of them here.
Do you want to start football or basketball? Let me
start basketball? Two from Pauli.
Speaker 8 (09:31):
Okay, Steph Curry is the greatest shooter in NBA history
and the top ten player in the NBA of all time.
Both or yes or no?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I'm going to say both. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Now it's interesting though, and I saw Sports Center had
a topic today this morning, might have been on Get Up,
and it was should Steph Curry be considered the greatest
of all time? Well, tell me how many people you're considering?
I gu is it twenty? Is it fifteen? Is there's
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only one greatest of all time? You can't be He's
one of the greatest of all time. There's a goat
and it. I mean, Michael Jordan is considered the goat. Okay,
is Steph Curry in the conversation the greatest of all time?
I would say no, but he's still a top ten
player of all time. It just it feels like there's
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two players who are the greatest of all time, or
at least in the conversation, it's Lebron on the periphery
and then it's Mike. But you know, you get into this.
When somebody played, who they played against, how many titles
they won? It was different back then. It's different now,
And I get all of that. Steph Curry changed the
game as much, if not more so, than any other
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player in history. If you look at the direction of
the sport, that's the guy. He's the compass it points
north with him. I don't know if that makes him
the greatest of all time. We get caught up in ranking.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Where is that?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Oh that guy Tim Duncan is here? And where's Bill run.
I know this is what we do just because we
have to fill three hours. I know this is what
we're trying to do. But sometimes we do a disservice
to the players when we start talking and ranking. You know,
is Jerry West in the top ten anymore? Probably not?
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I hate to say it, probably not. Is Larry Bird
still in the top ten?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Maybe? I mean, you gotta be we hold on for
dear life. I do. I'm holding on for dear life
to Jerry West legacy.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Oh he lost all those times in the finals and
he only won one.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I know all of that.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Jerry West was so far ahead of his time, it's
not even funny, crazy ahead of his time. Like he
was shooting jump shots. Guys didn't shoot jump shots back then,
and what he did, and he was a winner and
maybe the greatest general manager of all time. I get
all of that. Larry Bird, I mean, but it was
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ten years. Lebron's a better player than Larry Bird. Where's
Kareem on? The leg like, we get caught up in
this Kevin Durant, is he going to be in the
top ten when it's all said and done. You know,
where's a chem Elijah one? Where's Magic? Where's Kobe? I mean,
after a while, you can only put ten in the
top ten. We tend to put like fourteen in the
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top ten, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
And then what ends up happening is you start nitpicking.
You know, they say, oh, well this person had to
hit a shot for this guy to win a championship. Well,
it's a team. Who's the best player on the team?
Are they even there without him? You start doing that?
Who was on his team? Well, Kobe had shack for
the first day, Like, oh my goodness, Kobe had twenty
eight a game.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
I don't know what you want me to say.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well, then you get, well, hey, biggest moment in Lebron's
career it was he didn't hit the shot.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Ray Allen saved his legacy.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Huh, ray Allen did. And then you also had Kyrie.
So two of the biggest shots in a championship run
for Lebron James had to do with two other people.
Steve Kerr hit a big shot for Michael Jordan. John
Paxson hit a big shot for Michael Jordan. We don't
bring that up. Michael never never missed a game winning
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shot and he won everything. But we don't give credit
with Lebron getting to the NBA finals. Where's we go,
Hey Jordan, he won six? What did he do in
the other ones when he didn't win?
Speaker 9 (13:39):
Like?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
That has to factor in Joe Montana four? No, never lost? Okay,
how many did he go to?
Speaker 10 (13:45):
Four?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
How many did Tom Brady go to? Yeah, but he lost.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
He got there, So what you know, we start slicing
and dicing and who's great and how great?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And I get it.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Sometimes you're short on topics and you go, how about
Steph Curry great of all time? Yeah, that sounds great, Greeny,
let's do it. We'll send a spind a couple of
segments on it. Yeah, come on, get up, everybody. But
he's got four thousand three pointers. Four thousand. I think
next closest is James Harden at just under nine hundred
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behind him. I don't think he'll catch him. But then
we'll do the math on Steph Curry getting to I
don't know, five thousand three pointers when it's all said
and done, we'll come up with the pole question. We
got to play of the day, stat of the day,
just getting started? Did I mention that we're in Sacramento, Todd,
Let's go sack down? Alrighty, Fox Sports eight ninety am.
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You may read town s.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Town one oh four point seven FM and Sacramento every week.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Thank you Todd, thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Oh my gosh, they're probably going the GM's probably going, well, it's.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
A month by month. What did we sign up for?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, Kurt Bagelman, he's the GM at Kaka party.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Hey KURTI Yeah, Kurt's a good time. Hello Baglman in Sacktown. Hello, alright,
I'm brand How about we take a break.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
How about we take a break, just getting started on
this meet good.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Boarding Chun time sixteen minutes past Hong.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Kong, Capitol of California.
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I miss giving the time and temperature.
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When I did local radio, it'd be, you know, like
thirty five after the hour, twenty five before the top.
You know, you'd be like two ways to give you
the time and temperature, trafficking weather together every nine minutes
and sixty seconds right here. But who speaks like that normally?
You know when you're but they teach you you're like, eah,
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you know coming up? Zeppelin? Who and skinnerd Yeah? Two
for Tuesday?
Speaker 11 (15:59):
Yes?
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And how do you shout it up at homy? Hey,
Hernie passed the potato?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah, all right, we'll take a break. We need a
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Speaker 2 (17:18):
DeMarcus Lawrence was with the Cowboys. He went to Seattle,
and he was pretty blunt in what he said about
leaving the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 14 (17:26):
Sang's the scenery is always good, you know, but Dallas
is my home made my home there.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
You know, my family lives there.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
If I ever going to be there, but I know
for sure I'm not gonna win a Super Bowl there.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Wow, that's right to the point there. He knew what
he was saying there. Devin mccordy, NBC Football Night in
America Studio analyst, three times Super Bowl champ with the Patriot.
What did you make of DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 15 (17:53):
It's funny. I think sometimes we forget when he said
that Dallas's whole you expect to be back in Dallas.
And I know him and Michael Parsons went back and
forth on Twitter, but the truth is he's pissed Dallas
didn't offer him the money he thought he would get
Seattle did.
Speaker 11 (18:10):
So.
Speaker 15 (18:11):
Now, probably all of the feelings that I think a
lot of those guys in Dallas probably have is we
know we're not winning. We got so much other chaos
going on around here. Now I'm gone, I'm about to
aert out. I'm going to say how I feel. So
it's understandable. And you know, he got to Seattle and
I'm sure that reporter was sitting there thinking we're gonna
have a friendly conversation. We're gonna talk about Seattle and
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what's next, and he's like, hold on, let me let
me take a shot at my ex real quick and
then we can move on.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
But would he have had a different answer if he
was staying in Dallas and they did offer him the money,
you know, in a contract to stay there. What he
have said, We're not going to win a Super Bowl,
but hey, it's my home and I'm coming back.
Speaker 15 (18:51):
No, he's been telling us how they plan on winning
a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Of course, and then we'd be.
Speaker 15 (18:55):
Talking about they got no shot to win a super Bowl,
but they believe they do. So yeah, I mean that's
how players are. You're always happy in that new place.
March April. We don't know if it's real until probably,
I will say, early November to late November of if
this marriage really works.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
But you won three super Bowls. When with the Patriots,
when did you think you were going to win another
Super Bowl?
Speaker 15 (19:19):
We thought every year? I mean every year we got
started it, it was how to win a super Bowl.
You know, eight out of my first ten years we
were in the super Bowl or in the AFC Championship
all like every year. So but I think it's different.
I think Dallas doesn't truly care if they're in their
super Bowl. They care about being talked about on TV
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or how we're talking about them today. Like that's what's
important in Dallas, I think from the top down. So
they don't they don't have that. They don't care to
bring in the right guys that will lead to super
Bowls or lead to championships. They want the guys that
are going to be talked about. I think that's important
to them.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, I find that fascinating, But it says a lot
about Jerry Jones that you get caught up in fame,
You get caught up in people wanting to interview you
and really losing sight of what made you famous, why
people wanted to talk to you, and that you won
three Super Bowls. But that's such a long I mean,
that's a generation ago. But I don't know why you
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would be so addicted to fame, realizing the fame you
get if you run your team the way you should
run your team. They don't spend money in free agency.
They do rely on the draft. They've been fortunate with
a couple of draft picks, including Dak Prescott. But I
mean they're just nobody has accomplished less while getting more
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attention than the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 15 (20:42):
Right, it's ridiculous, as you just said it, they dropped
this Ceedee Lamb, Michaeh Parson, Dak Presley. Think about these guys,
they've driven, but they haven't decided to say, hey, how
do we keep veterans, to bring veterans in to show
these guys what it looks like to win year after year.
And I always you know, I'm in studio every Sunday
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night with Jason Garrett and if the Cowboys lose and
I see Jerry Jones having this media scrum, and I
would look at Jason, like, how do you, as a
head coach come back to your team on Monday and
address the game or whatever happened when the owner slash
GM just said whatever he had to say to everybody
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that we probably didn't want to talk about, and he
would talk to me. He was talk to me about
trying to keep the focus on the guys in the
locker room, of controlling what you can control, and think
about that as a head coach. If you're the Dallas
Cowboys head coach, you're trying to talk about controlling the
things that you can control when it's kind of like
the thing you can't control as your owner who runs
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everything like that, that'll never work.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
If you were on the vikings. Let's say you're one
of the veterans on the vikings. Let's say coach front
office comes to you, guys and says, what do you
think about bringing in Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Your response would be what.
Speaker 15 (22:03):
The plan? Like, what is this the guy that's going
to take us to the Super Bowl? And then my
next question would be what does that do for the
development of JJ McCarthy. Do we believe that this guy
can come in and give us the best chance to
win the Super Bowl this year? Okay, if we say that,
then does this help JJ McCarthy get better? Does this
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make him worse? And I would say depending on what
we ever see from Zach Wilson. But in all indication,
the guy that went down and played in Denver last
year seem like a better player than he was on
the Jets. He talked about the impact Aaron Rodgers had him.
I think we live in a world we always tell
about Aaron Rodgers from the media standpoint of like somebody says,
I talk to people and they say this and that.
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But it always seems like some of the direct comments
from players like Zach Wilson is the guy was great
for me. He helped me. So to me, if you
think that's the case for me, I would rather see
JJ McCarthy get to start in Minnesota. Let him go
lead that team. But if Kevin O'Connell and Quassi and
those guys felt like Aaron Rodgers was it, I wouldn't
be angry at that.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Devin mccordy, he's an analyst for a Football Night in America,
three times Super Bowl champ with the Patriots, Cooper Cup,
you want to talk about, Well, that was quick. All
of a sudden, it's like, can we get a trade partner?
I know he's making too much money for the production
or lack thereof. Where do you see Cooper Cup? What
kind of receiver is Cooper Cup?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Now?
Speaker 15 (23:28):
I would love to see Cooper Cup for the New
England Patriots. Maybe I'm a little biased. I would like
to see him there. I think he's a guy that
he's not the same. He doesn't have the same ability
and quickness I think to get open no matter what.
Like he was a guy that if you ran zone,
he knew how to attack you and then could pick
apart and decide for what covers you were in. And
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then if you played man, you just couldn't keep up
with him. I don't think he gets away from man
as well, but he's still very knowledgeable. I think if
you bring him into a receiver room, I think he's
gonna change the dynamic of your receiver room. Kendrick Bourne,
a receiver for the Patriots now, said back in college,
he's a Cooper Cup told him you're a better player
than me. I just work harder than you, and I
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think that method and that mentality will help change your room.
And if not the Patriots, we're just talking about them.
The Dallas Cowboys could use a guy like Cooper Cup
who comes in with a focus on winning games, winning
super Bowls, and he might have the impact similar to
Saquon Barkley I felt had in Philly this year of
putting a team first, doing what's best, and I think
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that trickled down to everybody. I think Cooper Cup can
be that type of guy.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I've been mentioning.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
If I'm the Steelers, I give Aaron Rodgers until five
o'clock today. I just say, if you love us, join us.
If you don't and you want to go someplace else
you're not quite sure, then we don't want you.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
What do you think of that philosophy?
Speaker 15 (24:51):
I think at some point you have to do that.
You have to draw a line in the sand, because
how do you have to decide how we get better
as a team. You just went and you pay Dk Metcalf.
You still have George Pickens on the other side. You're
putting together something that is looking pretty good right now.
Sign Darius Slay, we're missing the quarterback, like Aaron, what
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are we doing here? Are you gonna sign? You talk
to a lot of different free agents they've talked about
when they go and they visit a place, the team
tells them, hey, if you leave the building, offers off
the table because we have to move on. So whatever
it is, like, I think for them, you have to
fear right now if you don't get Rogers and then
Wilson signed somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Now, what do you do besides money?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
What's the most important thing that you're looking for or
players look for in free agency?
Speaker 15 (25:41):
I think the culture that you're playing in, and then
what system you're playing in. I think if you're a
smart player and understand that it's not just the money.
Because I always thought of free agency or being a player,
how do I make every single dime in my contract?
Everyone always talks about how do you just make the guarantee?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Why?
Speaker 15 (25:58):
Like why a five year deal? Why not try to
sign on somewhere? Why I think I'll fit for all
five years. So a part of that culture is is
the coach on the chopping block? Am I gonna sign
with a coach and general manager that might not be
here next year and we get a whole new person
with philosophy. And then the system you're in does it
benefit you as a player. Everybody's selling you a free agency.
(26:20):
You need to do your own research and figure out, Hey,
what kind of player was in this system? How do
I benefit? You heard justin Jefferson when Kevin o'conllen those
guys got to Minnesota, he said, how do I become
Cooper Cup? What did he do? How was he so successful?
How is he so successful? For LA and Kevin o'connall said,
learn every position, every wide receiver position. Then I can
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put you anywhere. So that guy now knows how to
be successful. You have to find that in free agency
as well.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Do you think guys go for location weather.
Speaker 15 (26:55):
I think I think some of the older guys, I
think that's a part of it of you wanting to
do something, and I will say family, weather, all those
different things. I think of a guy like Cooper Kublic,
he might want to stay on the West Coast. He's
won a super Bowl, he's won a Triple Crown, like,
he's had a ton of success for him. There starts
to be things that you say, hey, if I want
to keep playing football. I want these things, and I
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understand that. But I think those younger guys who are
getting too that first real big money, they'll they'll sign anywhere.
You heard Milton Williams he sign into Wingley said, I
just want a super Bowl a few a month or
two ago. I think this might be better than that
super Bowl. He's already forgotten about the super Bowl because
he sees all those zeros.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Good to talk to you, Devin, have a great weekend.
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 15 (27:37):
Likewise, that good talking to you, Dare.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
It's Devin mcording.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Football Night in America, three times super Bowl champ with
the Patriots. A couple of phone calls in here, Uh
Sean in Kansas? Hi, Sean, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 16 (27:52):
Hey guys, thanks for taking my call again. I actually
have two things, if you'll let me one. My daughter
turns to this weekend. She hasn't met an episode. She
loves the theme song. We played in our car all
the time. I was hoping to get a happy birthday.
And that way, whenever you guys retire, whether it's in
February or in December of twenty twenty seven, then I
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can play it on her birthday every year.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
That would be.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
What happened. Oh, no, we know.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
We didn't get his daughter's name, Marvin.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
I was my hands are right here. I didn't touch anything.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Well Ray, wait, well, Pa, Ray is filling in for Tyler.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
It appears the call dropped on his end from I'm
looking at Marvin screen.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
On whose end the call it? Oh, Sean's end. Yeah,
and we don't have the name.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Well, Sean called me back, so I can have your
daughter's name and then we can sing the song. But
Ray is filling in for Tyler, and I thought maybe
it was pilot air there.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
If we don't get him back, should we just sing
the song with random little girl names and maybe we'll
hit the right one.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Now, I'm going to trust that Sewn is capable of
coming back. We'll reconnect there. It's a big moment here.
I think this will be for posterity sake. His daughter
is going to be, you know, like twenty four, and
then he'll play the song that we recorded.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Sean. Your daughter's name is Sean on Hey, thank you, guys.
Speaker 16 (29:39):
Set My daughter pushed the headphone button and it turned
off the phone. She's watching you guys right now. And
I'm yelling. I'm just saying, hey, guys, that's her name
is Oakley, and she turns to this weekend and she
would love a happy birthday. But I also do have
most Valuable Danette Odds. If you guys want to hear it, Okay, well,
(30:00):
I'm gonna say paul is in the lead, and I
think that's a surprise for some people. But I have
to say, this show is all about content and when
you guys are on break, and even when you're not
on break, Paulie is on Twitter posting the best places
to get wings, the bars with the most spears. He's
posting videos of nutshots and college basketball.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
But that has nothing to do with the show, though, Sean.
Speaker 16 (30:23):
He's keeping all of us entertained while you guys are
off the air though, That's what I'm saying. Eaton also
doing some soccer takes. He's in second place. But yeah,
my daughter Oakley turns to this weekend. I think a
happy birthday really make her.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Thank you, Thank you, Sean, Happy birthday, sat Down, Happy
birthday Oakley, Happy birthday, Uh Bill and Indy, Hi Bill,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Hey?
Speaker 15 (30:58):
Dan?
Speaker 10 (30:58):
Thanks for taking my call. Is hoping you to accept
an offer or maybe a recommendation for a.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
New Meat Friday song.
Speaker 10 (31:07):
Okay, it's done to the tune of Casey Abrams. You
know Casey Abrams, a song called the Simple Life or
Simple Life?
Speaker 11 (31:15):
You know that one?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Uh yeah, maybe here.
Speaker 9 (31:19):
Okay, don't need no pasta, I don't need men, no beans,
don't need no salad.
Speaker 17 (31:30):
You can keep all them greens because it's meat Friaday,
my cocoa burgler I, my cocoa rebbi, my cook some
cornbe finds. Is that kind of guy? Because it's Meat Friday.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
There you go, Thank you, Bill. All right, William, that's
a that's a live performance there. Stephen Maryland, Hi, Steve,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 11 (31:58):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Wondering if you would entertain a memorabilia piece to put
front and center?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Okay, what is the piece of memorabilia? All right, and
you're gonna love this.
Speaker 9 (32:12):
This is a Loyola Lacrosse helmets time by Pat and
Cam Spencer.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Okay, I probably wouldn't put it front and center. Maybe side,
but yeah, you know, once again, if you send it in,
you're not getting it back. Like the only thing we
sent back was Carson Palmer's Heisman Trophy and I did that.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Well.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
No, also Darius Rutgers Grammy. So if you do send
it in, chances are it's staying here. I remember when
Darius Rutger so he had won a couple of Grammys
for Hooty and the Bluefish, and all of a sudden,
I get this phone call. You got to send that
Grammy back. I said, wait, what happened? I said, you
got a few of them. He goes, no, you you
(33:00):
can't have it on display. You can't you know, might
prevent me from winning another Grammy. And then I joked
and said, you're not winning another Grammy.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Don't worry about hardcore.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I was joking with him, and he goes, no, no, no,
you got to overnight that.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
You got to overnight that. So I said, all right,
overnight it.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I had a Grammy and I'm like, that's the most
coverage the Grammy's gotten. We put it on display. So
I sent it back to him. Buzz kill. All right,
more phone calls coming up. Mike Tannenbaum, he worked in
the front office. He was jam of two teams in
his career, so we'll get his thoughts on maybe that
side of this free agency period. We're back after this
(33:40):
in The Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern, six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
All eyes will be on Scotti Scheffler as he swings
for a third consecutive Players Championship, something no other four
golfers ever accomplish the Players Championship. On Peacock and NBC,
we'll talk to Mike Tannenbaum, former NFL general manager. He'll
join us coming up. The corn beef has arrived in
(34:12):
the man Cave. Of course, the first thing Fritzie says
is are there any sides? Do we have potatoes? Do
we have carrots? Do we have dessert? Soda bread?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (34:25):
It's nice, yes, because when you earlier, when you said,
who has a better than readrift to say today we're
having corn beef.
Speaker 15 (34:31):
But I was waiting for the list.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
There's usually like a list, and it was just you
kind of stopped at corn beef. So I'm like, okay,
corn beef and corn beer.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Is that not good enough for you?
Speaker 5 (34:39):
That's fantastic. The soda bread, I wasn't aware after that count.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yes, JD in Utah? Hi, JD? What's on your mind today?
Speaker 11 (34:48):
Mom? Let's switch it to my.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Can you hear me? JD?
Speaker 11 (34:57):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Yeah? Can you hear me?
Speaker 15 (35:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (35:01):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Did I interrupt anything? I'll just work well, Okay, let's
guess where JD works? Todd some kind of factory.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
He said something like, can we switch it to I
don't know if he's doing something with electronics?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Okay, Satan, where's JD work in Utah? In Utah? Yeah?
I think an office building?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
He does it?
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Okay, Marvin sells insurance, Paul Mechanic. I'm going to say nursery.
Nobody quite nailed it. I'm a carpenter, Okay, nailed it.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, I saw right through that.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
That's why you're the ruler.
Speaker 14 (35:51):
Would you like to be me? That's a wild yeah.
Speaker 11 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
See what you're getting Sacramento every morning, that's what you're
going to be getting. But great, Uh, JD? What can
I do for you?
Speaker 11 (36:12):
So we've got a baby girl coming in July?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Okay, sorry, I just congratulations.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Congratulations to Okay.
Speaker 11 (36:27):
So we've got a baby girl coming in July. We
are thinking about naming her Miller and You've given advice
to people in the past that you should give a gift,
and I was just kind of wondering what type of
gifts and like when do you give it? Like, do
you give it right after.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
It's all your to your wife?
Speaker 16 (36:48):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Okay, yes, tod, I'd.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
Say a six pack of beer. If you're calling the
kid miller. What else would you do?
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, hopefully she's light. I'm killing it today. Wow, I
am dominating today. I am dominating. Hopefully she has a
good head on her shoulders, killing it, killing all right?
So when do you give a gift to your wife?
(37:15):
I would say give it to her when she comes home,
because she might be if she has an epidural, she
might not be like all there, you.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Know, going through childbirth.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I can only imagine, having been there four times and
I nearly passed out one time. I'd say, wait until
you get home. I don't know what the gift's going
to be. I don't know how you know heavy you
want to go in? Did you guys do like a
month's salary? Is that still what you do for engagement rings?
(37:49):
Is it is a.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Two times or three times a monthly salary or something
silly like that.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Pauling mine was my life savings at the time. I
was down to one hundred and fifty bucks after the bye.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't I ever got caught up in the cost
of it. I just found the ring that I wanted
to give my wife. I thought that that and she
was fine with that. Yes, seton, I got a family ring.
Oh yeah, her family ring.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
That's good. Yeah, oh yeah. It's like I'd love to.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Give you your.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Mom's ring or your grandmother's ring.
Speaker 8 (38:24):
He's like, hey, if we're doing this, this is my ring, right,
I'm like heck, yeah, yeah, sweet yes Tom.
Speaker 10 (38:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
We walked out like that too.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
This was like some kind of family heirloom that gets
passed down so we didn't have to spend all kinds
of money.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Doug Whaley, former GM with the Buffalo Bills, was on
ninety three point seven The Fan in Pittsburgh and had
this to say about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 18 (38:44):
If I'm Omar Kahn and I'm the Pittsburgh Steelers, one
you shouldn't be surprised, and two you have to sit
down and really think about do we want to sign
up for this? Because he's set on the table in
the president early it's all about Aaron Rodgers and has
nothing to do with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 15 (39:02):
He's going to hold the.
Speaker 18 (39:04):
Whole franchise hostage on waiting for him to make a decision.
But that's par for the course when you deal with
a guy like Aaron Rodgers. So you have to make
sure you really want this not only in your locker room,
but to be the face of your franchise. It's not
going to be the Pittsburgh Steelers anymore. It's going to
be Aaron Rodgers Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
All right.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Doug Whaley, former Bill's general manager. On ninety three seven
The Fan in Pittsburgh, we bring in Mike Tannenbaond, former
general manager in the NFL. Let's follow up with that, Mike,
how is Aaron Rodgers supposedly holding the Steelers hostage?
Speaker 19 (39:40):
Well, if you're the Steelers, you just traded for DK Metcalf, Dan,
you give him thirty million dollars a year and a
second round pick, and your plan is not to throw
the ball from Mason Rudolph to George Pickens and Dk Metcalf.
I'm sure they're sitting there thinking like it's not ideal.
But if we go with Russell Wilson. We'll go with
Russell Wilson. But Aaron Rodgers gives us a chance to
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get to where we want to go. Last year, Dan,
they averaged fourteen points per game over their last five games.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Okay, but how does Minnesota factor into all of this?
And is it Minnesota who's holding the Steelers hostage?
Speaker 19 (40:16):
I think that's right, and that's astounding to me. First
of all, you and I have been around the spot
a long time. Can you ever remember a team losing
three quarterbacks in the period of ten days? Nick Mullins,
Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold. Kevin O'Connell must be you know,
the modern day quarterback whisper. It's really remarkable. I think
it's different though, in terms of bringing in Aaron Rodgers.
If you and I were running the Vikings, it all
(40:37):
would be about what's the best situation for JJ McCarthy
and I don't understand how Aaron Rodgers fits that bill.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
But if you're the Steelers, why don't you just say
to Aaron Rodgers, we need a decision by today, like
we have to move on here. We want you, but
I need to know how much you want us and
maybe he's telling the Steelers I don't I may want you,
but I really want that Minnesota situation better than this,
(41:05):
or you know, it's a better opportunity, a higher ceiling there.
Speaker 19 (41:09):
Dan, look like you don't have to be hypothetical. That's
what's happening right now, because why else would Aaron Rodgers
be waiting? And I agree with you one hundred percent.
Take you into omar Con GM the Steelers. Look, Aaron,
we are signing Russell Wilson today, like you don't have
to worry about reading about it, hearing about from your agent.
I am giving you the answers to the test. If
you do not sign by close of business today, you
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will be reading that Russell Wilson is a Steeler and
you're either going to be backing up JJ McCarthy or
you're going to be in met life. And let me
ask you a question, Aaron, when was the last time
there was a Giant quarterback since Eli Manning that went
to the Giants and it worked out well. So the
decision is happening today. We love you, we want you,
but we have to run our team and our best interests,
(41:51):
and we're giving you all the information.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Mike Tannenbaum.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
You can see him on Get Up, a variety of programs,
NFL Live and Sports Center.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
What are the Cleve Brown's doing?
Speaker 19 (42:02):
I think for them it's a little bit different. I
think that's a little bit more about stability. Look, Jameis Winston,
you know, was look, let's be gracious here, inconsistent last year.
I think for them they need optionality. If we were
speaking three weeks ago, I think talking to people around
the league, I think Tennessee was going to consider moving
on from cam Ward.
Speaker 15 (42:20):
That's not going to happen.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
You know.
Speaker 19 (42:21):
They went out and they signed Dan Moore, they moved
JC Latham to the right side, they signed Zeitler. Everything
they're doing says they're taking cam Ward, So were the Browns.
Russell Wilson at least gives us a step up from
a consistency standpoint over Jameis Winston. It's a consequential year
for Andrew Barry, Kevin Stefanski, so like to be they're
just looking for stability, and that's what Russell Wilson brings.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Okay, but would you rather have Kirk Cousins or Russell
Wilson if you're the Browns.
Speaker 19 (42:49):
One hundred percent, it's Kirk Cousins. If we go back
to Minnesota where Kirk Cousins had a ton of success
for a lot of those years, Kevin Stefanski was the
offensive coordinator. Right now, you know, the Atlanta Falcons have
turned Kirk Cousins and his agent repeatedly, You're not going
anywhere on Sunday. He has a ten million dollar roster
bonus that becomes guaranteed. It's next year, but it becomes
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fully guaranteed. I'm just telling you, like Dan bringing it
inside a franchise, if a player doesn't want to be there,
like you don't want him there, like everything is about
Michael Pennis in Atlanta. And if Kirk Cousins is saying
that I don't want to be there and I'm not
going to be in the off season program, I'm going
to show up late, be the first one to leave. Like,
go out and get a Drew Locke or Jacoby Brissett
(43:30):
as a backup and cut your losses. You know, we've
seen great franchises like the Rams pay you know, Jared
Goff over one hundred million.
Speaker 5 (43:37):
Dollars to move on.
Speaker 19 (43:38):
We've seen the Eagles pay Jared went Excuse me, Carson
Wentz over one hundred million dollars to move on, and
I think you show me a franchise with good mental toughness,
I'll show you a good franchise. And that's what Atlanta
needs to do with Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Which situation do you like better quarterbacking wise? The Raiders
with Gino or the Seahawks with Sam Darnel.
Speaker 19 (43:58):
Yeah, I'm very treated by Seattle on Sam Donald. I
think first of all, that was masterclass GMing to get
seven years younger, less expensive at a third round pick.
Do I think Gino Smith arguably maybe a little bit
better than Sam Donald. Possibly, but I think Smith and
Jigba if he was on the East Coast, we'd be
talking about an emerging star at receiver. Clearly they're gonna
(44:19):
have to add another piece or two there. Offensive line
has to get a little bit better. But the fact
that Clint Kobe, act their new offensive coordinator, knows Sam
Darnald from their San Francisco days, I think is meaningful.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
We had Steve Young on yesterday and he said that
there's some organizations that are stuck in the Stone Age.
I'm going to paraphrase that unless you're part of the
Sean McVay, Tree, Kyle Shanahan, Tree, Andy Reid Tree, then
you're in the stone age is when it comes to offense.
Those guys understand what the what is the future in
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the NFL, and certainly at the quarterbacking position.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Your thoughts on that, I think, you know.
Speaker 19 (45:00):
That is somewhat true. You know, it's interesting going through
this jet head coaching serach. We talked to a lot
of people, learned a lot and some of the feedback
we got from the defensive coaches was fascinating. And the
trend in the league is you know, looking at shift's motion,
all the prestat movement, it does put you know, logically
as you would think, it puts pressure on the opposing
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team's defense, like when the picture is static, which some
classic quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers, they want
the picture to be static. They want to collect information.
But the more you talk to defensive coaches around the league,
all those things that teams do, it it just puts pressure.
Like Dan, you're a former athlete, like when you have
(45:45):
to think you're not playing as fast as when you're
just reacting. So I think there is something to it
now to shift in motion just to shift in motion,
you know, like that doesn't really accomplish things. But I
generally agree with Steve. I think the other thing, too,
is it's not a one size fits all approach. If
you have a backup player in who's making one twentieth
of a starter, which happens a lot in our system
(46:07):
because of the salary cap, you have to plan accordingly.
If your backup tackles in, you have to chip, you
have to slide protections. You can't put the backup left
tackle on the same island that you can know Trent
Williams or fill in whatever blank. And I think some
cour dators understand that concept better than others.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
I'll leave you with this.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
If you ran the Titans, if you were the GM,
what are you doing at the top of the draft?
Speaker 19 (46:32):
Cam Ward, cam Ward and cam Ward. I think the
most impressive part about the combine Dan was what the
Miami University of Miami offensive lineman and teammates said about
cam Ward. I'm a big believer in life is who
you really are, is how you treat people that can't
help you. Cam Ward was a selfless leader. He has
what it takes. I think his intangibles are off the charts,
(46:52):
and they shouldn't answer the phone if someone calls him.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Great to talk to you. Have a good weekend. Thank you, Mike.
Speaker 19 (47:00):
All right, Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Mike Tannenbaum, former general manager with two teams in the
NFL and pretty high praise there with cam Ward going
number one overall. Just saw this that Diana Rossini of
the Scoop City podcast and the Athletics said, nobody with
the Steelers believes Aaron Rodgers camp that the quarterback has
(47:24):
chosen them or going to choose them. ESPN's Kevin Seaffert
reported Wednesday the Vikings have quote at least been entertaining
the possibility internally of signing Rogers. Ian Rappaport of NFL
Network said the Giants have essentially told Rogers that they
want him to be their starting quarterback. Jerry Dulac of
(47:48):
the Pittsburgh Post Gazette noted the Steelers have extended and
offered to Rogers, and they're just waiting for him. The Giants,
according to Diana Rossini, are believed to have made the
art's contract offer to Rogers. I don't know what any
of this means, because we're talking about Aaron Rodgers,
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A lot of basketball.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
No bids last night, no bids today or tonight, but
plenty over the weekend. The big story was Cooper Flag
getting injured yesterday. The ankle is iffy. I think it's
worse than iffy right now if he's going to be
able to play against North Carolina. But the conference tournaments
keep rolling, the let's see men's bids. Nothing over the
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Saturday and Sunday we'll have that Steph Curry his four
thousandth three pointer and the Spurs lose to Aaron Fox
for the rest of the season. Just some of the
headlines there. I want to start with maybe the greatest
sports book ever written. It was nineteen eighty five nineteen
eighty six Indiana Basketball, and the book was a season
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on the brink and It was written by John Feinstein,
who passed away yesterday at the age of sixty nine.
It was a wonderful inside look at Bob Knight and
Indiana basketball, and he had full access, and boy did
he use it. And then it came out and Bob
Knight hated it, which meant it was true. It was great,
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and it was. But John worked for the Washington Post.
I would cross paths with John. It was golf or
it was basketball. He was there and he was doggedly
determined to get something that nobody else had. He just
he would work tirelessly and he was unique in what
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he did and how he did it. He was also
in the shadow of the great sports writers at the
Washington Post. I mean Tom Boswell and Michael Wilbond and
Tony Kornheiser. But John Feinstein had always felt like was
the little brother.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
But he was not.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
He wrote over forty books. He wrote a book about
the Civil War. It was Army Navy football. He wrote
a book about golf, A good Walk Spoiled. He wrote
a book about the Patriot League. John, give him a
topic and he'll go to town. But at the time
the book came out, he was thirty years of age.
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Season on the Brink. I mean, when you think about it,
that's thirty nine years ago. But John had a good
relationship with Bob Knight, and not many people did, certainly
sports writers. But it cost John his relationship with Bob Knight.
But he wrote over forty books and really was a remarkable,
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remarkable reporter. And that's what it takes sometimes when you're
writing a book, You've got to be a great reporter.
You've got to be able to take notes, you've got
to be able to find out things. But he was polarizing.
John was not lovable, he was not embraceable, but John
didn't care.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
That's who John was.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And I hope that Press Row leaves the seat for
John Feinstein in San Antonio the Final Four and they
joked about when John would go to Indiana basketball games
at Assembly Hall, he had a seat. They called it
the Feinstein seat, like John was there. And I hope
that they create the Feinstein seat because every basketball writer
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in America was a tip of the cap or tip
of the pen to John Feinstein. Season on the Brink.
You can make a case best sports book ever written.
And I know that's a big, big blanket to throw
over sports writing. But what John did, how he did it,
when he did it, and he did it with Bob Knight.
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John got famous quickly. Yes, Marvin, is that your favorite
sports book? You know, I didn't think of it. What
is my favorite sports book? I think Ball four might
have been because of what it was at the time.
We were finding out things that were happening on road
trips with baseball players. You know, Jim Boughten was spilling
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the beans and he was alienated. I mean, but this
is nineteen seventy where you're finding out things with guys
and he's playing for a non descript team, Seattle Pilots,
And that to me was like, wow, he's telling things
that are going on with his teammates here in this book.
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That was probably the first one I read where I
thought I was I was finding out things that maybe
we weren't supposed to know, and we probably weren't supposed
to know, but Jim Boughton, you know, kind of let
us behind the curtain. I don't know what book comes
up if I say favorite sports book of all time?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
What book would come up for you? Marv?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
For me, Friday Night Lights.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Okay, it's just a great look at everything, like with
football as the foundation. Sure, race, socioeconomics, politics, everything, but
football was the basis.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, what about you, Todd, do you have a favorite
sports book?
Speaker 6 (06:35):
I read a book what's called The Color Orange had
kind of about the history of the Broncos, especially after that
eighty six season. That probably wouldn't resonate unless you're a
big Bronco fan. But The Color Orange was well done, Paulie.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
If not season the Brink, I'll go with Heaven is
a Playground by Rick Tellender. He spent a summer in
Brooklyn with streetball players like Fly Williams, Bernard King, and
Albert King and I've read it five six times.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Foul was another one about Connie Hawkins, and it was
about a New York legend and was he going to
be able to play in college and then getting, you know,
kind of kicked out of college and then playing in
the pros. I eventually got to see Connie Hawkins when
he was with the Phoenix Suns. He came to Cincinnati,
and I just remember reading that book and there he
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was right in front of me. Seaton, do you have
a book that maybe stands out best sports book.
Speaker 8 (07:27):
There? Was a really great book that just came out
in the last couple of years about the annals of
sports history. I believe Dan, was that your book? That
was that was the best book sports book I ever read.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Wow, that was supposed to be Marvin's answer.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, it's a Friday. Good move, Seaton, thank you.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
See that was really that's yeah. I mean it's the
only one that comes to mind for me.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yeah, yes, Bo, I'm just reading some background because you
can't really overstate what a big deal. Season on the
Brink was Night finished under five hundred and the Big
Ten the year before it was a mess. And that's
the season John Finstein took a leave of absence. He
made seventeen grand upfront for the book, and then he
got money on the back end. Two years after the
book came out, they won the Final four Indiana. But
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it was a hot time in Bluington.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
His last column appeared in the Washington Post and that
was just a couple of days ago, and it was
a profile on Michigan State head coach Tom is A.
But John Feinstein left a lasting imprint on the world
of sports. Dead at the age of sixty nine, all
right eight seven seven to three DP show email address
Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle a DP show. It's a
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meet Friday. But Tyler's not here. He was on the
road with a big german doing a site survey in Iowa,
and they drove thirty six hours.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Those two.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
You imagine the big German and Tyler and that would
be a buddy movie. I don't know if their buddies
after getting home yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
That dynamic is pretty fascinating. Yes, and they're relaying.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
But I talked to the big German yesterday afternoon and
he sounded like he had been up for thirty six
hours driving back with Tyler. But so we reached out
to our good brother buddy Lou, who's going to bring
in corn beef. So we're having corn beef sandwiches today.
Who is it.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Better than we do? No body? Okay, Seeton, what's poll
question today? Let's see we got a couple of them here.
Do you want to start football or basketball? Let me
start basketball? Two from Pauli.
Speaker 8 (09:31):
Okay, Steph Curry is the greatest shooter in NBA history
and the top ten player in the NBA of all time.
Both or yes or no?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I'm going to say both. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Now it's interesting though, and I saw Sports Center had
a topic today this morning, might have been on Get Up,
and it was should Steph Curry be considered the greatest
of all time? Well, tell me how many people you're considering?
I gu is it twenty? Is it fifteen? Is there's
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only one greatest of all time? You can't be He's
one of the greatest of all time. There's a goat
and it. I mean, Michael Jordan is considered the goat. Okay,
is Steph Curry in the conversation the greatest of all time?
I would say no, but he's still a top ten
player of all time. It just it feels like there's
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two players who are the greatest of all time, or
at least in the conversation, it's Lebron on the periphery
and then it's Mike. But you know, you get into this.
When somebody played, who they played against, how many titles
they won? It was different back then. It's different now,
And I get all of that. Steph Curry changed the
game as much, if not more so, than any other
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player in history. If you look at the direction of
the sport, that's the guy. He's the compass it points
north with him. I don't know if that makes him
the greatest of all time. We get caught up in ranking.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Where is that?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Oh that guy Tim Duncan is here? And where's Bill run.
I know this is what we do just because we
have to fill three hours. I know this is what
we're trying to do. But sometimes we do a disservice
to the players when we start talking and ranking. You know,
is Jerry West in the top ten anymore? Probably not?
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I hate to say it, probably not. Is Larry Bird
still in the top ten?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Maybe? I mean, you gotta be we hold on for
dear life. I do. I'm holding on for dear life
to Jerry West legacy.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Oh he lost all those times in the finals and
he only won one.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I know all of that.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Jerry West was so far ahead of his time, it's
not even funny, crazy ahead of his time. Like he
was shooting jump shots. Guys didn't shoot jump shots back then,
and what he did, and he was a winner and
maybe the greatest general manager of all time. I get
all of that. Larry Bird, I mean, but it was
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ten years. Lebron's a better player than Larry Bird. Where's
Kareem on? The leg like, we get caught up in
this Kevin Durant, is he going to be in the
top ten when it's all said and done. You know,
where's a chem Elijah one? Where's Magic? Where's Kobe? I mean,
after a while, you can only put ten in the
top ten. We tend to put like fourteen in the
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top ten, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
And then what ends up happening is you start nitpicking.
You know, they say, oh, well this person had to
hit a shot for this guy to win a championship. Well,
it's a team. Who's the best player on the team?
Are they even there without him? You start doing that?
Who was on his team? Well, Kobe had shack for
the first day, Like, oh my goodness, Kobe had twenty
eight a game.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
I don't know what you want me to say.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well, then you get, well, hey, biggest moment in Lebron's
career it was he didn't hit the shot.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Ray Allen saved his legacy.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Huh, ray Allen did. And then you also had Kyrie.
So two of the biggest shots in a championship run
for Lebron James had to do with two other people.
Steve Kerr hit a big shot for Michael Jordan. John
Paxson hit a big shot for Michael Jordan. We don't
bring that up. Michael never never missed a game winning
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shot and he won everything. But we don't give credit
with Lebron getting to the NBA finals. Where's we go,
Hey Jordan, he won six? What did he do in
the other ones when he didn't win?
Speaker 9 (13:39):
Like?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
That has to factor in Joe Montana four? No, never lost? Okay,
how many did he go to?
Speaker 10 (13:45):
Four?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
How many did Tom Brady go to? Yeah, but he lost.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
He got there, So what you know, we start slicing
and dicing and who's great and how great?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And I get it.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Sometimes you're short on topics and you go, how about
Steph Curry great of all time? Yeah, that sounds great, Greeny,
let's do it. We'll send a spind a couple of
segments on it. Yeah, come on, get up, everybody. But
he's got four thousand three pointers. Four thousand. I think
next closest is James Harden at just under nine hundred
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behind him. I don't think he'll catch him. But then
we'll do the math on Steph Curry getting to I
don't know, five thousand three pointers when it's all said
and done, we'll come up with the pole question. We
got to play of the day, stat of the day,
just getting started? Did I mention that we're in Sacramento, Todd,
Let's go sack down? Alrighty, Fox Sports eight ninety am.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
You may read town s.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Town one oh four point seven FM and Sacramento every week.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Thank you Todd, thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Oh my gosh, they're probably going the GM's probably going, well, it's.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
A month by month. What did we sign up for?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, Kurt Bagelman, he's the GM at Kaka party.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Hey KURTI Yeah, Kurt's a good time. Hello Baglman in Sacktown. Hello, alright,
I'm brand How about we take a break.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
How about we take a break, just getting started on
this meet good.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Boarding Chun time sixteen minutes past Hong.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Kong, Capitol of California.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I miss giving the time and temperature.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
When I did local radio, it'd be, you know, like
thirty five after the hour, twenty five before the top.
You know, you'd be like two ways to give you
the time and temperature, trafficking weather together every nine minutes
and sixty seconds right here. But who speaks like that normally?
You know when you're but they teach you you're like, eah,
(15:51):
you know coming up? Zeppelin? Who and skinnerd Yeah? Two
for Tuesday?
Speaker 11 (15:59):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (15:59):
And how do you shout it up at homy? Hey,
Hernie passed the potato?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah, all right, we'll take a break. We need a
break back after this.
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Speaker 2 (17:18):
DeMarcus Lawrence was with the Cowboys. He went to Seattle,
and he was pretty blunt in what he said about
leaving the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 14 (17:26):
Sang's the scenery is always good, you know, but Dallas
is my home made my home there.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
You know, my family lives there.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
If I ever going to be there, but I know
for sure I'm not gonna win a Super Bowl there.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Wow, that's right to the point there. He knew what
he was saying there. Devin mccordy, NBC Football Night in
America Studio analyst, three times Super Bowl champ with the Patriot.
What did you make of DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 15 (17:53):
It's funny. I think sometimes we forget when he said
that Dallas's whole you expect to be back in Dallas.
And I know him and Michael Parsons went back and
forth on Twitter, but the truth is he's pissed Dallas
didn't offer him the money he thought he would get
Seattle did.
Speaker 11 (18:10):
So.
Speaker 15 (18:11):
Now, probably all of the feelings that I think a
lot of those guys in Dallas probably have is we
know we're not winning. We got so much other chaos
going on around here. Now I'm gone, I'm about to
aert out. I'm going to say how I feel. So
it's understandable. And you know, he got to Seattle and
I'm sure that reporter was sitting there thinking we're gonna
have a friendly conversation. We're gonna talk about Seattle and
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what's next, and he's like, hold on, let me let
me take a shot at my ex real quick and
then we can move on.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
But would he have had a different answer if he
was staying in Dallas and they did offer him the money,
you know, in a contract to stay there. What he
have said, We're not going to win a Super Bowl,
but hey, it's my home and I'm coming back.
Speaker 15 (18:51):
No, he's been telling us how they plan on winning
a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Of course, and then we'd be.
Speaker 15 (18:55):
Talking about they got no shot to win a super Bowl,
but they believe they do. So yeah, I mean that's
how players are. You're always happy in that new place.
March April. We don't know if it's real until probably,
I will say, early November to late November of if
this marriage really works.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
But you won three super Bowls. When with the Patriots,
when did you think you were going to win another
Super Bowl?
Speaker 15 (19:19):
We thought every year? I mean every year we got
started it, it was how to win a super Bowl.
You know, eight out of my first ten years we
were in the super Bowl or in the AFC Championship
all like every year. So but I think it's different.
I think Dallas doesn't truly care if they're in their
super Bowl. They care about being talked about on TV
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or how we're talking about them today. Like that's what's
important in Dallas, I think from the top down. So
they don't they don't have that. They don't care to
bring in the right guys that will lead to super
Bowls or lead to championships. They want the guys that
are going to be talked about. I think that's important
to them.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, I find that fascinating, But it says a lot
about Jerry Jones that you get caught up in fame,
You get caught up in people wanting to interview you
and really losing sight of what made you famous, why
people wanted to talk to you, and that you won
three Super Bowls. But that's such a long I mean,
that's a generation ago. But I don't know why you
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would be so addicted to fame, realizing the fame you
get if you run your team the way you should
run your team. They don't spend money in free agency.
They do rely on the draft. They've been fortunate with
a couple of draft picks, including Dak Prescott. But I
mean they're just nobody has accomplished less while getting more
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attention than the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 15 (20:42):
Right, it's ridiculous, as you just said it, they dropped
this Ceedee Lamb, Michaeh Parson, Dak Presley. Think about these guys,
they've driven, but they haven't decided to say, hey, how
do we keep veterans, to bring veterans in to show
these guys what it looks like to win year after year.
And I always you know, I'm in studio every Sunday
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night with Jason Garrett and if the Cowboys lose and
I see Jerry Jones having this media scrum, and I
would look at Jason, like, how do you, as a
head coach come back to your team on Monday and
address the game or whatever happened when the owner slash
GM just said whatever he had to say to everybody
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that we probably didn't want to talk about, and he
would talk to me. He was talk to me about
trying to keep the focus on the guys in the
locker room, of controlling what you can control, and think
about that as a head coach. If you're the Dallas
Cowboys head coach, you're trying to talk about controlling the
things that you can control when it's kind of like
the thing you can't control as your owner who runs
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everything like that, that'll never work.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
If you were on the vikings. Let's say you're one
of the veterans on the vikings. Let's say coach front
office comes to you, guys and says, what do you
think about bringing in Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Your response would be what.
Speaker 15 (22:03):
The plan? Like, what is this the guy that's going
to take us to the Super Bowl? And then my
next question would be what does that do for the
development of JJ McCarthy. Do we believe that this guy
can come in and give us the best chance to
win the Super Bowl this year? Okay, if we say that,
then does this help JJ McCarthy get better? Does this
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make him worse? And I would say depending on what
we ever see from Zach Wilson. But in all indication,
the guy that went down and played in Denver last
year seem like a better player than he was on
the Jets. He talked about the impact Aaron Rodgers had him.
I think we live in a world we always tell
about Aaron Rodgers from the media standpoint of like somebody says,
I talk to people and they say this and that.
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But it always seems like some of the direct comments
from players like Zach Wilson is the guy was great
for me. He helped me. So to me, if you
think that's the case for me, I would rather see
JJ McCarthy get to start in Minnesota. Let him go
lead that team. But if Kevin O'Connell and Quassi and
those guys felt like Aaron Rodgers was it, I wouldn't
be angry at that.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Devin mccordy, he's an analyst for a Football Night in America,
three times Super Bowl champ with the Patriots, Cooper Cup,
you want to talk about, Well, that was quick. All
of a sudden, it's like, can we get a trade partner?
I know he's making too much money for the production
or lack thereof. Where do you see Cooper Cup? What
kind of receiver is Cooper Cup?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Now?
Speaker 15 (23:28):
I would love to see Cooper Cup for the New
England Patriots. Maybe I'm a little biased. I would like
to see him there. I think he's a guy that
he's not the same. He doesn't have the same ability
and quickness I think to get open no matter what.
Like he was a guy that if you ran zone,
he knew how to attack you and then could pick
apart and decide for what covers you were in. And
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then if you played man, you just couldn't keep up
with him. I don't think he gets away from man
as well, but he's still very knowledgeable. I think if
you bring him into a receiver room, I think he's
gonna change the dynamic of your receiver room. Kendrick Bourne,
a receiver for the Patriots now, said back in college,
he's a Cooper Cup told him you're a better player
than me. I just work harder than you, and I
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think that method and that mentality will help change your room.
And if not the Patriots, we're just talking about them.
The Dallas Cowboys could use a guy like Cooper Cup
who comes in with a focus on winning games, winning
super Bowls, and he might have the impact similar to
Saquon Barkley I felt had in Philly this year of
putting a team first, doing what's best, and I think
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that trickled down to everybody. I think Cooper Cup can
be that type of guy.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I've been mentioning.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
If I'm the Steelers, I give Aaron Rodgers until five
o'clock today. I just say, if you love us, join us.
If you don't and you want to go someplace else
you're not quite sure, then we don't want you.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
What do you think of that philosophy?
Speaker 15 (24:51):
I think at some point you have to do that.
You have to draw a line in the sand, because
how do you have to decide how we get better
as a team. You just went and you pay Dk Metcalf.
You still have George Pickens on the other side. You're
putting together something that is looking pretty good right now.
Sign Darius Slay, we're missing the quarterback, like Aaron, what
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are we doing here? Are you gonna sign? You talk
to a lot of different free agents they've talked about
when they go and they visit a place, the team
tells them, hey, if you leave the building, offers off
the table because we have to move on. So whatever
it is, like, I think for them, you have to
fear right now if you don't get Rogers and then
Wilson signed somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Now, what do you do besides money?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
What's the most important thing that you're looking for or
players look for in free agency?
Speaker 15 (25:41):
I think the culture that you're playing in, and then
what system you're playing in. I think if you're a
smart player and understand that it's not just the money.
Because I always thought of free agency or being a player,
how do I make every single dime in my contract?
Everyone always talks about how do you just make the guarantee?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Why?
Speaker 15 (25:58):
Like why a five year deal? Why not try to
sign on somewhere? Why I think I'll fit for all
five years. So a part of that culture is is
the coach on the chopping block? Am I gonna sign
with a coach and general manager that might not be
here next year and we get a whole new person
with philosophy. And then the system you're in does it
benefit you as a player. Everybody's selling you a free agency.
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You need to do your own research and figure out, Hey,
what kind of player was in this system? How do
I benefit? You heard justin Jefferson when Kevin o'conllen those
guys got to Minnesota, he said, how do I become
Cooper Cup? What did he do? How was he so successful?
How is he so successful? For LA and Kevin o'connall said,
learn every position, every wide receiver position. Then I can
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put you anywhere. So that guy now knows how to
be successful. You have to find that in free agency
as well.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Do you think guys go for location weather.
Speaker 15 (26:55):
I think I think some of the older guys, I
think that's a part of it of you wanting to
do something, and I will say family, weather, all those
different things. I think of a guy like Cooper Kublic,
he might want to stay on the West Coast. He's
won a super Bowl, he's won a Triple Crown, like,
he's had a ton of success for him. There starts
to be things that you say, hey, if I want
to keep playing football. I want these things, and I
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understand that. But I think those younger guys who are
getting too that first real big money, they'll they'll sign anywhere.
You heard Milton Williams he sign into Wingley said, I
just want a super Bowl a few a month or
two ago. I think this might be better than that
super Bowl. He's already forgotten about the super Bowl because
he sees all those zeros.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Good to talk to you, Devin, have a great weekend.
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 15 (27:37):
Likewise, that good talking to you, Dare.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
It's Devin mcording.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Football Night in America, three times super Bowl champ with
the Patriots. A couple of phone calls in here, Uh
Sean in Kansas? Hi, Sean, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 16 (27:52):
Hey guys, thanks for taking my call again. I actually
have two things, if you'll let me one. My daughter
turns to this weekend. She hasn't met an episode. She
loves the theme song. We played in our car all
the time. I was hoping to get a happy birthday.
And that way, whenever you guys retire, whether it's in
February or in December of twenty twenty seven, then I
(28:14):
can play it on her birthday every year.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
That would be.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
What happened. Oh, no, we know.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
We didn't get his daughter's name, Marvin.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
I was my hands are right here. I didn't touch anything.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Well Ray, wait, well, Pa, Ray is filling in for Tyler.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
It appears the call dropped on his end from I'm
looking at Marvin screen.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
On whose end the call it? Oh, Sean's end. Yeah,
and we don't have the name.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Well, Sean called me back, so I can have your
daughter's name and then we can sing the song. But
Ray is filling in for Tyler, and I thought maybe
it was pilot air there.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
If we don't get him back, should we just sing
the song with random little girl names and maybe we'll
hit the right one.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Now, I'm going to trust that Sewn is capable of
coming back. We'll reconnect there. It's a big moment here.
I think this will be for posterity sake. His daughter
is going to be, you know, like twenty four, and
then he'll play the song that we recorded.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Sean. Your daughter's name is Sean on Hey, thank you, guys.
Speaker 16 (29:39):
Set My daughter pushed the headphone button and it turned
off the phone. She's watching you guys right now. And
I'm yelling. I'm just saying, hey, guys, that's her name
is Oakley, and she turns to this weekend and she
would love a happy birthday. But I also do have
most Valuable Danette Odds. If you guys want to hear it, Okay, well,
(30:00):
I'm gonna say paul is in the lead, and I
think that's a surprise for some people. But I have
to say, this show is all about content and when
you guys are on break, and even when you're not
on break, Paulie is on Twitter posting the best places
to get wings, the bars with the most spears. He's
posting videos of nutshots and college basketball.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
But that has nothing to do with the show, though, Sean.
Speaker 16 (30:23):
He's keeping all of us entertained while you guys are
off the air though, That's what I'm saying. Eaton also
doing some soccer takes. He's in second place. But yeah,
my daughter Oakley turns to this weekend. I think a
happy birthday really make her.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Thank you, Thank you, Sean, Happy birthday, sat Down, Happy
birthday Oakley, Happy birthday, Uh Bill and Indy, Hi Bill,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Hey?
Speaker 15 (30:58):
Dan?
Speaker 10 (30:58):
Thanks for taking my call. Is hoping you to accept
an offer or maybe a recommendation for a.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
New Meat Friday song.
Speaker 10 (31:07):
Okay, it's done to the tune of Casey Abrams. You
know Casey Abrams, a song called the Simple Life or
Simple Life?
Speaker 11 (31:15):
You know that one?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Uh yeah, maybe here.
Speaker 9 (31:19):
Okay, don't need no pasta, I don't need men, no beans,
don't need no salad.
Speaker 17 (31:30):
You can keep all them greens because it's meat Friaday,
my cocoa burgler I, my cocoa rebbi, my cook some
cornbe finds. Is that kind of guy? Because it's Meat Friday.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
There you go, Thank you, Bill. All right, William, that's
a that's a live performance there. Stephen Maryland, Hi, Steve,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 11 (31:58):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Wondering if you would entertain a memorabilia piece to put
front and center?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Okay, what is the piece of memorabilia? All right, and
you're gonna love this.
Speaker 9 (32:12):
This is a Loyola Lacrosse helmets time by Pat and
Cam Spencer.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Okay, I probably wouldn't put it front and center. Maybe side,
but yeah, you know, once again, if you send it in,
you're not getting it back. Like the only thing we
sent back was Carson Palmer's Heisman Trophy and I did that.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Well.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
No, also Darius Rutgers Grammy. So if you do send
it in, chances are it's staying here. I remember when
Darius Rutger so he had won a couple of Grammys
for Hooty and the Bluefish, and all of a sudden,
I get this phone call. You got to send that
Grammy back. I said, wait, what happened? I said, you
got a few of them. He goes, no, you you
(33:00):
can't have it on display. You can't you know, might
prevent me from winning another Grammy. And then I joked
and said, you're not winning another Grammy.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Don't worry about hardcore.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I was joking with him, and he goes, no, no, no,
you got to overnight that.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
You got to overnight that. So I said, all right,
overnight it.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I had a Grammy and I'm like, that's the most
coverage the Grammy's gotten. We put it on display. So
I sent it back to him. Buzz kill. All right,
more phone calls coming up. Mike Tannenbaum, he worked in
the front office. He was jam of two teams in
his career, so we'll get his thoughts on maybe that
side of this free agency period. We're back after this
(33:40):
in The Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern, six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
All eyes will be on Scotti Scheffler as he swings
for a third consecutive Players Championship, something no other four
golfers ever accomplish the Players Championship. On Peacock and NBC,
we'll talk to Mike Tannenbaum, former NFL general manager. He'll
join us coming up. The corn beef has arrived in
(34:12):
the man Cave. Of course, the first thing Fritzie says
is are there any sides? Do we have potatoes? Do
we have carrots? Do we have dessert? Soda bread?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (34:25):
It's nice, yes, because when you earlier, when you said,
who has a better than readrift to say today we're
having corn beef.
Speaker 15 (34:31):
But I was waiting for the list.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
There's usually like a list, and it was just you
kind of stopped at corn beef. So I'm like, okay,
corn beef and corn beer.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Is that not good enough for you?
Speaker 5 (34:39):
That's fantastic. The soda bread, I wasn't aware after that count.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yes, JD in Utah? Hi, JD? What's on your mind today?
Speaker 11 (34:48):
Mom? Let's switch it to my.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Can you hear me? JD?
Speaker 11 (34:57):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Yeah? Can you hear me?
Speaker 15 (35:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (35:01):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Did I interrupt anything? I'll just work well, Okay, let's
guess where JD works? Todd some kind of factory.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
He said something like, can we switch it to I
don't know if he's doing something with electronics?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Okay, Satan, where's JD work in Utah? In Utah? Yeah?
I think an office building?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
He does it?
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Okay, Marvin sells insurance, Paul Mechanic. I'm going to say nursery.
Nobody quite nailed it. I'm a carpenter, Okay, nailed it.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, I saw right through that.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
That's why you're the ruler.
Speaker 14 (35:51):
Would you like to be me? That's a wild yeah.
Speaker 11 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
See what you're getting Sacramento every morning, that's what you're
going to be getting. But great, Uh, JD? What can
I do for you?
Speaker 11 (36:12):
So we've got a baby girl coming in July?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Okay, sorry, I just congratulations.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Congratulations to Okay.
Speaker 11 (36:27):
So we've got a baby girl coming in July. We
are thinking about naming her Miller and You've given advice
to people in the past that you should give a gift,
and I was just kind of wondering what type of
gifts and like when do you give it? Like, do
you give it right after.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
It's all your to your wife?
Speaker 16 (36:48):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Okay, yes, tod, I'd.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
Say a six pack of beer. If you're calling the
kid miller. What else would you do?
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, hopefully she's light. I'm killing it today. Wow, I
am dominating today. I am dominating. Hopefully she has a
good head on her shoulders, killing it, killing all right?
So when do you give a gift to your wife?
(37:15):
I would say give it to her when she comes home,
because she might be if she has an epidural, she
might not be like all there, you.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Know, going through childbirth.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I can only imagine, having been there four times and
I nearly passed out one time. I'd say, wait until
you get home. I don't know what the gift's going
to be. I don't know how you know heavy you
want to go in? Did you guys do like a
month's salary? Is that still what you do for engagement rings?
(37:49):
Is it is a.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Two times or three times a monthly salary or something
silly like that.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Pauling mine was my life savings at the time. I
was down to one hundred and fifty bucks after the bye.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't I ever got caught up in the cost
of it. I just found the ring that I wanted
to give my wife. I thought that that and she
was fine with that. Yes, seton, I got a family ring.
Oh yeah, her family ring.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
That's good. Yeah, oh yeah. It's like I'd love to.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Give you your.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Mom's ring or your grandmother's ring.
Speaker 8 (38:24):
He's like, hey, if we're doing this, this is my ring, right,
I'm like heck, yeah, yeah, sweet yes Tom.
Speaker 10 (38:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
We walked out like that too.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
This was like some kind of family heirloom that gets
passed down so we didn't have to spend all kinds
of money.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Doug Whaley, former GM with the Buffalo Bills, was on
ninety three point seven The Fan in Pittsburgh and had
this to say about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 18 (38:44):
If I'm Omar Kahn and I'm the Pittsburgh Steelers, one
you shouldn't be surprised, and two you have to sit
down and really think about do we want to sign
up for this? Because he's set on the table in
the president early it's all about Aaron Rodgers and has
nothing to do with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 15 (39:02):
He's going to hold the.
Speaker 18 (39:04):
Whole franchise hostage on waiting for him to make a decision.
But that's par for the course when you deal with
a guy like Aaron Rodgers. So you have to make
sure you really want this not only in your locker room,
but to be the face of your franchise. It's not
going to be the Pittsburgh Steelers anymore. It's going to
be Aaron Rodgers Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
All right.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Doug Whaley, former Bill's general manager. On ninety three seven
The Fan in Pittsburgh, we bring in Mike Tannenbaond, former
general manager in the NFL. Let's follow up with that, Mike,
how is Aaron Rodgers supposedly holding the Steelers hostage?
Speaker 19 (39:40):
Well, if you're the Steelers, you just traded for DK Metcalf, Dan,
you give him thirty million dollars a year and a
second round pick, and your plan is not to throw
the ball from Mason Rudolph to George Pickens and Dk Metcalf.
I'm sure they're sitting there thinking like it's not ideal.
But if we go with Russell Wilson. We'll go with
Russell Wilson. But Aaron Rodgers gives us a chance to
(40:00):
get to where we want to go. Last year, Dan,
they averaged fourteen points per game over their last five games.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Okay, but how does Minnesota factor into all of this?
And is it Minnesota who's holding the Steelers hostage?
Speaker 19 (40:16):
I think that's right, and that's astounding to me. First
of all, you and I have been around the spot
a long time. Can you ever remember a team losing
three quarterbacks in the period of ten days? Nick Mullins,
Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold. Kevin O'Connell must be you know,
the modern day quarterback whisper. It's really remarkable. I think
it's different though, in terms of bringing in Aaron Rodgers.
If you and I were running the Vikings, it all
(40:37):
would be about what's the best situation for JJ McCarthy
and I don't understand how Aaron Rodgers fits that bill.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
But if you're the Steelers, why don't you just say
to Aaron Rodgers, we need a decision by today, like
we have to move on here. We want you, but
I need to know how much you want us and
maybe he's telling the Steelers I don't I may want you,
but I really want that Minnesota situation better than this,
(41:05):
or you know, it's a better opportunity, a higher ceiling there.
Speaker 19 (41:09):
Dan, look like you don't have to be hypothetical. That's
what's happening right now, because why else would Aaron Rodgers
be waiting? And I agree with you one hundred percent.
Take you into omar Con GM the Steelers. Look, Aaron,
we are signing Russell Wilson today, like you don't have
to worry about reading about it, hearing about from your agent.
I am giving you the answers to the test. If
you do not sign by close of business today, you
(41:31):
will be reading that Russell Wilson is a Steeler and
you're either going to be backing up JJ McCarthy or
you're going to be in met life. And let me
ask you a question, Aaron, when was the last time
there was a Giant quarterback since Eli Manning that went
to the Giants and it worked out well. So the
decision is happening today. We love you, we want you,
but we have to run our team and our best interests,
(41:51):
and we're giving you all the information.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Mike Tannenbaum.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
You can see him on Get Up, a variety of programs,
NFL Live and Sports Center.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
What are the Cleve Brown's doing?
Speaker 19 (42:02):
I think for them it's a little bit different. I
think that's a little bit more about stability. Look, Jameis Winston,
you know, was look, let's be gracious here, inconsistent last year.
I think for them they need optionality. If we were
speaking three weeks ago, I think talking to people around
the league, I think Tennessee was going to consider moving
on from cam Ward.
Speaker 15 (42:20):
That's not going to happen.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
You know.
Speaker 19 (42:21):
They went out and they signed Dan Moore, they moved
JC Latham to the right side, they signed Zeitler. Everything
they're doing says they're taking cam Ward, So were the Browns.
Russell Wilson at least gives us a step up from
a consistency standpoint over Jameis Winston. It's a consequential year
for Andrew Barry, Kevin Stefanski, so like to be they're
just looking for stability, and that's what Russell Wilson brings.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Okay, but would you rather have Kirk Cousins or Russell
Wilson if you're the Browns.
Speaker 19 (42:49):
One hundred percent, it's Kirk Cousins. If we go back
to Minnesota where Kirk Cousins had a ton of success
for a lot of those years, Kevin Stefanski was the
offensive coordinator. Right now, you know, the Atlanta Falcons have
turned Kirk Cousins and his agent repeatedly, You're not going
anywhere on Sunday. He has a ten million dollar roster
bonus that becomes guaranteed. It's next year, but it becomes
(43:09):
fully guaranteed. I'm just telling you, like Dan bringing it
inside a franchise, if a player doesn't want to be there,
like you don't want him there, like everything is about
Michael Pennis in Atlanta. And if Kirk Cousins is saying
that I don't want to be there and I'm not
going to be in the off season program, I'm going
to show up late, be the first one to leave. Like,
go out and get a Drew Locke or Jacoby Brissett
(43:30):
as a backup and cut your losses. You know, we've
seen great franchises like the Rams pay you know, Jared
Goff over one hundred million.
Speaker 5 (43:37):
Dollars to move on.
Speaker 19 (43:38):
We've seen the Eagles pay Jared went Excuse me, Carson
Wentz over one hundred million dollars to move on, and
I think you show me a franchise with good mental toughness,
I'll show you a good franchise. And that's what Atlanta
needs to do with Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Which situation do you like better quarterbacking wise? The Raiders
with Gino or the Seahawks with Sam Darnel.
Speaker 19 (43:58):
Yeah, I'm very treated by Seattle on Sam Donald. I
think first of all, that was masterclass GMing to get
seven years younger, less expensive at a third round pick.
Do I think Gino Smith arguably maybe a little bit
better than Sam Donald. Possibly, but I think Smith and
Jigba if he was on the East Coast, we'd be
talking about an emerging star at receiver. Clearly they're gonna
(44:19):
have to add another piece or two there. Offensive line
has to get a little bit better. But the fact
that Clint Kobe, act their new offensive coordinator, knows Sam
Darnald from their San Francisco days, I think is meaningful.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
We had Steve Young on yesterday and he said that
there's some organizations that are stuck in the Stone Age.
I'm going to paraphrase that unless you're part of the
Sean McVay, Tree, Kyle Shanahan, Tree, Andy Reid Tree, then
you're in the stone age is when it comes to offense.
Those guys understand what the what is the future in
(44:53):
the NFL, and certainly at the quarterbacking position.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Your thoughts on that, I think, you know.
Speaker 19 (45:00):
That is somewhat true. You know, it's interesting going through
this jet head coaching serach. We talked to a lot
of people, learned a lot and some of the feedback
we got from the defensive coaches was fascinating. And the
trend in the league is you know, looking at shift's motion,
all the prestat movement, it does put you know, logically
as you would think, it puts pressure on the opposing
(45:23):
team's defense, like when the picture is static, which some
classic quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers, they want
the picture to be static. They want to collect information.
But the more you talk to defensive coaches around the league,
all those things that teams do, it it just puts pressure.
Like Dan, you're a former athlete, like when you have
(45:45):
to think you're not playing as fast as when you're
just reacting. So I think there is something to it
now to shift in motion just to shift in motion,
you know, like that doesn't really accomplish things. But I
generally agree with Steve. I think the other thing, too,
is it's not a one size fits all approach. If
you have a backup player in who's making one twentieth
of a starter, which happens a lot in our system
(46:07):
because of the salary cap, you have to plan accordingly.
If your backup tackles in, you have to chip, you
have to slide protections. You can't put the backup left
tackle on the same island that you can know Trent
Williams or fill in whatever blank. And I think some
cour dators understand that concept better than others.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
I'll leave you with this.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
If you ran the Titans, if you were the GM,
what are you doing at the top of the draft?
Speaker 19 (46:32):
Cam Ward, cam Ward and cam Ward. I think the
most impressive part about the combine Dan was what the
Miami University of Miami offensive lineman and teammates said about
cam Ward. I'm a big believer in life is who
you really are, is how you treat people that can't
help you. Cam Ward was a selfless leader. He has
what it takes. I think his intangibles are off the charts,
(46:52):
and they shouldn't answer the phone if someone calls him.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Great to talk to you. Have a good weekend. Thank you, Mike.
Speaker 19 (47:00):
All right, Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Mike Tannenbaum, former general manager with two teams in the
NFL and pretty high praise there with cam Ward going
number one overall. Just saw this that Diana Rossini of
the Scoop City podcast and the Athletics said, nobody with
the Steelers believes Aaron Rodgers camp that the quarterback has
(47:24):
chosen them or going to choose them. ESPN's Kevin Seaffert
reported Wednesday the Vikings have quote at least been entertaining
the possibility internally of signing Rogers. Ian Rappaport of NFL
Network said the Giants have essentially told Rogers that they
want him to be their starting quarterback. Jerry Dulac of
(47:48):
the Pittsburgh Post Gazette noted the Steelers have extended and
offered to Rogers, and they're just waiting for him. The Giants,
according to Diana Rossini, are believed to have made the
art's contract offer to Rogers. I don't know what any
of this means, because we're talking about Aaron Rodgers,
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