March 18, 2025 • 40 mins
Dan explains how the NCAA has failed to properly shepherd its athletics into the present day and is constantly reacting to public pressure instead of getting out in front of it. And Hall of Fame HC Bill Cowher drops by to discuss the prospect of Aaron Rodgers signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
North Carolina shouldn't have been in, they got in, and
a lot of conspiracy controversy with North Carolina in. They
face San Diego State coming up tonight. North Carolina favored
by four and a half. They must win situation. By
the way, according to DraftKings odds, to win March Madness,
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you basically have four teams, four schools. It's Duke, Florida, Auburn, Houston.
Then after that it's a big, big jump to Alabama.
It's a four team race. Now there will probably be
another double digit seed that makes it to the Elite eight,
maybe to the Final four. These things happen because of
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the transfer portal. You're getting schools that have a good
team or they can get a player coming in and
oh it takes is one or two players, unless you're
Rutgers and you can have a great season. The fact
that Rutgers is going to have two of the first
five players drafted this year and didn't make the tournament
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is remarkable. But you're finding out that you have a
lot of these teams that have stockpiled older players, junior seniors,
and those teams are always dangerous come tournament time.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes, do you consider that what you just said about
Rutgers when you're drafting a player.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I would I did that with Ben Simmons.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I thought Ben Simmons was shooting with the wrong hand
when I first watched him. I went, I think he's
right handed? Still possible, Yes, it is. Yes. I saw
where Ben Simmons wants to play for Australia in the Olympics.
I think Kyrie Irving would like to play for Australia
in the Olympics. Also saw where Ben Simmons is. Is
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he selling his house in Brooklyn? How many houses does
he have? Because he's should open up an NBA Airbnb
and just hey, if you go to that team, you
can have my house here. If you're in Philadelphia, if
you're in Brooklyn, if you're in la I got a
house for you, yes, Paul.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yeah, Ben Simmons condo in the area called Dumbo in Brooklyn.
Seventeen million dollars sixteen nine nine nine Damm. It looks fantastic.
It's six bedrooms.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh, it looks fantastic. You're almost seventeen million. Well, well
that's nice.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's not quite as big as you'd think for seventeen million.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
But it's very nice, Okay, but Ben Simmons couldn't get
LSU to the tournament. Markel Folds. That was another one
we talked about that where they won what nine games?
If you have the number one pick in the draft,
you win nine games. I got I got to put
a question mark by that, and it turned out to
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be true. You know. I mean, there's some things that
happened to Markel Folts. He forgot how to shoot, and
you know, did revitalize his career a little bit there.
That was where you know, I came in. I don't
know the timeframe of it, but I talked to a
source and he thought, this is when Philadelphia and Boston
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were making the trade. And he says, Philly will take
the wrong guy. He goes, the best player in the
draft is Jason Tatum, and he said Philadelphia is going
to screw this up. And I remember coming in and saying,
the best guy in the draft is Jason Tatum. And
but you know, you're getting an undersized guard for a
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team that won what eight or nine games in college
and then you're going to take him, Yes, Martin, but.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I think the big difference is on LSU. Besides Ben Simmons,
you couldn't name another NBA player Markel Folt's the same thing.
You have two not like first round picks, two top
five maybe top ten picks. The Rutgers coach is probably
on the hot seat.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, Rutgers doesn't normally get these players, so nil, somebody
spent a lot of money on these two players. Ron
Harper's son, and who's at Ace Bailey? Bailey you know,
I watched him play and he'll give you a highlight.
I don't know if he gives you a full game,
but man, does he give you highlights. And then Dylan Harper,
Ron Harper's son, he would be dropping dime. I mean
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you would watch and you go, damn, these guys are
really good. Were there teammates that bad that you couldn't
make up for, you know, the other three in the
starting lineup?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, it could be a situation too where I'm speculating.
I have no idea. I haven't really paid attention. But so,
who's the guy. Can't both be the star? Ace Bailey's
his star Aast Bailey is for sure. However, Dylan Harper
probably kind of like I don't know, man, I'm pretty
kind of much the guy in my whole life too,
So which one of us?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Two of the top five guys and there didn't make
the NCAA tournament. All right? Some phone calls here eight
seven to seven three DP show. Good morning. If you're
watching on Peacock, Thank you. Bill Kuer, Hall of Fame
coach will join us coming up, get his thoughts on
what his Steelers are doing at the quarterbacking position. We
have no word, no update on Aaron Rodgers' situation, which
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also affects Russell Wilson's situation, whether it's the Giants, the
Steelers probably not having him back. But if Aaron Rodgers
doesn't go to Minnesota, does he go to Pittsburgh? Does
he go to the Giants? Russell Wilson is probably just
sitting at home going Any news on Aaron Rodgers Nope, nothing.
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Poll question for hour two is going to be what
Seaton let me.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
See, let me update you on the first couple that
we got there. Right now, Shadur Sander's still holding on
to a lead. Who gets drafted first, Shador or Jackson
Dart that's still at about sixty five percent.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
The reason why we brought this up is mel kiper
draft expert, just had his latest mock draft and he
has Jackson Dart going tenth overall to the New Orleans Saints.
That's where the wave of compliments. I guess with Jackson
Dart it is Jackson Dart day. It just became Jackson
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Dark Day. Yes, what else do you have seton?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And then we also have a best ever quarterback name,
obviously Jackson Dark, Joe Montana, Johnny Utah, Cult McCoy right now,
Johnny Utah running away with this one.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Now second place.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's a tie, but this person has a slight edge
by aboutzero point three percent. That would be Cult McCoy,
barely ahead of Joe Montana.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Reggie in Mississippi, Hi, Reggie, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7 (06:51):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
About hey?
Speaker 7 (06:53):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (06:54):
Quarterback names? One that sticks to me. I used to
like Billy Joe Tolliver. Could be a lot of Billy
Joel's around here, but my absolute favorite is former Oklahoma
quarterback Joel Booty.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You know, you know what, when you brought up Billie
Joe Tolliver, the first name I thought of was General Booty,
just because I mean, how does that go over? Where?
You say to your wife and I got it. If
it's a boy, I got a name, what is it?
Because I think, isn't there a Josh Booty? Like you
get to General Booty. I mean that's a big jump.
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There's certain times when you're in the delivery room and
you're talking about names and then all of a sudden
you just say what about And then you know your
wife goes, okay, let's get out of here. Like we
named my daughter because we thought that she was going
to be a boy. My wife swore that she was
going to be a boy. We didn't have a girl's name.
You got to give her a name to get out
of the the hospital gave her a name. Six months
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later she goes, that's she that's not who she She's
not an Emily. I said, okay, what's that mean? Well,
you got to go down to the courthouse. We're going
to change your name to Georgia. Okay. And then that
was it. But given what she went through, whatever she
said went, let's just get out of the hospital here.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yes, Paul General Booty is the nephew of former NFL
quarterback John David Booty.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Oh John David.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Yes, and also form NFL quarterback Josh Booty is given
name is General Axel Booty. Wow, I love military designations.
Major apple White.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
That was good.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Like you say, you know what we're going to go
with major, We're not prepared to go with general not corporal?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yes, not staff sergeant, staff sergeant apple White reporting for duty,
Sir infinated. All right, so Bill Kauer will join us
coming up. I'm wondering about Travis Hunter. Now we know
he can play two positions? Is he going to be
able to Does he get two salaries if he plays
two positions? How many plays do you then say we
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got to pay him more because he's going to be
a full time cornerback, part time wide receiver or vice versa.
Jamar Chase is getting paid over forty million dollars. So
if you look at the wide receiver position, forty million
Derek Stingley Junior, the Texans just got thirty million dollars
a year. Even the franchise tach twenty four million for
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a wide receiver, twenty one for a cornerback. And I'm wondering,
if you're Travis Hunter, do you say I think I
want to be a wide receiver because that's where there's
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your mind?
Speaker 7 (09:56):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (09:57):
Good morning.
Speaker 10 (09:57):
Dan.
Speaker 9 (09:58):
Wanted to just comment. You know you had mentioned and
I think you and even the governor of West Virginia
are all on the same page. You know you had
said the you know they should televise the selection committee
unless they have something to hide. Yeah, And I think
what the Governor's trying to say is there is something
to hide. You have a bunch of people in a
room who are financially incentivized for their team to make it.
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And I think what comes out of all of this
is not an injunction to stop times game. That's silly.
But I think, you know, you might see that these
processes start to be televised because of something the governors do.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I don't think they'll allow it. I don't think the
nc DOUBLEA wants to be told what to do, although
the nc DOUBLEA should be told what to do, needs direction,
But all they are is they're a traffic comp in
a small town. They're not really stopping anybody. It's like
Barney Feife and Andy Griffith. You know they're not They're
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kind of harmless. But you aren't dealing with a lot
of money here, and you're making big decisions here. Can
you at least let us understand the process here, what
goes on, what goes on with the you know, the
college football rankings. I'd be curious. And if you're not
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going to allow us to have this, if you're not
going to seek transparency, why, like if you have nothing
to hide Now you may say, well, you know, people
don't want to attach their name to certain opinions they
might have. Okay, I just want the right people making
the right decisions. The NCAA has been corrupt for a long, long,
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long time. There's a lot of things that go on.
We don't know why they did, when they did, how
long they did, even nil Now like now they're saying,
if you're recruiting a kid nil out of high school,
now you can offer enticements. Now you weren't allowed to
do that and I'm doing this for the radio audience.
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In quotation marks with you know you weren't allowed to
entice or recruit when they were leaving high school. Yeah,
of course that never happened. Well, this is what happened.
There's no paperwork. Now we've had some situations where kids
get to college they didn't sign anything because you weren't
allowed to sign something. Then they get there and then
the school goes, uh, you didn't sign anything. There's no document,
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there's no paper trail because you couldn't. Well, now you can.
It's just the NCAA gave us the student athlete back
in the seventies, bolder buyers student athlete, and I thought, well,
you know, it's a great name, a label. You're a
student athlete. They're not. It's a full time job. It
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truly is. And the pressures now you have players getting
death threats, you have prop bets, people are betting on you. Like,
there's a lot going on right now in college college athletics.
And I don't know if there's anybody who can kind
of come in and clean it up, you know, you
just and that's what is really scary. If you have
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something that makes billions of dollars and there's no speed
limit here. What do you think is going to happen?
There could be a lot of accidents, casualties. And that's
the unfortunate part of this is there's a lot of
march madness. Is wonderful the college football Playoff, it'll expand.
These idiots finally realized how much money when I kept saying,
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you're at four, why don't you double it? And then
you double your money, and then all of a sudden
they go, you know what, We're gonna double it. And
now we're going to go to twelve. Now we're going
to go to fourteen. Then we'll go to sixteen. Now
we have sixty eight teams. Now we want to go
to seventy six. Okay, I'm gonna make money, but I
want to make sure that you're smart with your product.
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And that's the disappointing part. The NC double A has
not been smart. They have not been ahead of anything.
They've always been oh my god, now what do we do?
Like ni Elan the transfer portal, they're like once again,
former coach told me, schools aren't going to pay for
guys who aren't quarterbacks or wide receivers. I said, Oh,
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they will. I said, they'll buy an entire offensive line
coach And he said, no way, goes what are we
going to give them pizza? And I go okay, And
once again I do rub it in with him occasionally
when I hear that somebody got paid certain, you know,
but that's because we didn't. Really, it was a myopic view.
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We're going to pay for the star. That's the way
they used to do it. You paid for a star player. Basketball,
you paid for a star player. You didn't pay everybody.
You paid for a star player. That's not the case
college football. You're paying offensive and defense. Look at Georgia.
Look no further than Georgia. Look how they won, and
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you're able to do it legally. Brought in defensive line,
offensive line. I mean, that's that's what's going on. But
there's so much money here and they don't understand any
of this. Nil. They fought it for years. Transfer portal, Oh,
you can't let players do it? Why you let coaches
do this? Why don't you have a coach sit out
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a year when he transfers to another school.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Yes, didn't somebody try to argue with you about them
not being able to pay? They didn't want to pay
like offensive and defensive lineman. That's crazy to me because
to me, it's easier to find fast little guys than
fast big guys.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
He said, what are we going to pay him? Pizza?
And I just said, I said, coach, you got it wrong.
But he didn't want to pay. So they, you know,
in their mind they don't want to pay. We shouldn't
be paying. They should want to play for our school.
That's just not the case anymore. And with March madness,
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can we get transparency? Is that asking a lot? I
don't think they would ever allow it. All right, let
me take a break. I'll get down off my soapbox. Here.
Bill Cower will join us. Coming up next year, Dan
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Speaker 2 (17:26):
It was a month ago when Bill Kauer was on
the program and he said that he expected the Steelers
to have dialogue with Aaron Rodgers. Well, they probably had
dialogue and we're still waiting for Aaron Rodgers. Coach joins
us on the program. What do you think the Steelers
are going to do and what do you think the
Steelers should do at quarterback?
Speaker 6 (17:47):
All right, well, number one, I've done a very good
job of keeping their playing their cards in house and
not sharing a lot of the conversations that they've had.
I'm sure when you think about it, Dan so Well,
I think right now there's really not a deadline. So
I'm sure they're sitting back way and what their options are.
I don't know exactly how much money has played into this,
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you know, I think they wanted justin fields. Is my speculation. Again,
this is all speculation. I've talked to nobody within the building,
but I think they wanted to go with a younger
player to see if it can develop. I personally think
that Russell Wilson is your best choice. It's the better
It's going to be a better offensive line room with
Fontano coming back and moving broader to left tackle. I
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think you're looking at the best receiving core you're going
to have in a long time. In terms of they
can keep George Pickens or not. They will be in
the next conversation that you will have to have remand
Wilson was a guy that very common on last year,
Kylevin Austin stepped up. So I think the offense and
hole and I think, you know, with Arthur Smith in
the second year in theory, should should take a step forward.
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So I think they're sitting back and again I think
this is not I like a Pittsburgh way of doing things,
of seeing what their options are, not feeling pressed to
make any decision based on the fact there's no deadline.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
But also with Aaron at this age, how much how
much should you factor age into this the way he
plays the position?
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Well, I think the same is the factor wrestlingto it.
I think that these are two players that who gives
you the best chance to win this year, maybe next year,
and then in the meantime bridge yourself to the next quarterback,
whoever that may be. You know, I think back then
to when we had Neil Donno who was a third
round pick, and we ended up having Cordell Stewart who
was a second round pick. You know, both those players,
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you know, as you sat there and you built your team,
realize that you know that was a position that you
know you had to have a consistent play from it.
I think that's what they need to get, is it
going to be a guy that's a franchise quarterback. Not
everybody has one, but I think the biggest thing you
have to do is build around it and not just
sit there and wait on one position to say that
that's going to be the fate of your football team.
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You think, to last five losses, this wasn't just on
Russell Wilson, this was you know, you played two of
the teams were in the Super Bowl, and then you
lost three games to to to division teams, to to
Baltimore and went to Cincinnati, and those are very much
playoff caliber teams. And you know, I think we look
at all five of them. You played against five really
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good quarterbacks, and the defense is not play up up
to snuff, to be quite honest with you, and certainly
the offense didn't contribute, didn't have your best players at
the time. George Pickens was probably hurting at the end
of the season, So you really a little handcuff from
that position standpoint. But again, I think you go back
and as you sit back and reflect, I think, you know,
they had a chance to work with Justin, had a
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chance to work with Russell. You know who they are,
and they know the system as well you lost Justin
Russell still out there, you have a chance to get
Aaron Rodgers and case still throw it. Yes, is he
mobile enough? I think so? But does he really want
to play? I mean, the longer you wait, you just
have to wonder where is his heart? How much does
he really want to do? And I said, you know,
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I just think when so he starts talking about retirement,
they've already checked the box. So they've checked out to
some degree, and uh, you know, so how much is
he modified to want to come here and be a
part of trying to win a championship and then consequently
consequently bridging a bridge to the next guy. And maybe
that next guy's Mason Rudolph. And he's sitting there right
there underneath your nose. He played there before. Could he
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be a leader? Gino Smith? Could this be Sam Darnold
who all of a sudden they blossom later in their careers.
So I think there's a lot let that has to
play out. I think signing Mason Rudolf made a lot
of sense.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
If you were still coaching, would you reach out to
Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Yeah? I think I would have reached out to him
from the very beginning. I'm sure that they did.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Again, Mike Tomlin reached out to him and just to
gauge his interest.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
I don't think there's any any question about that. And
I think, again from Aaron's standpoint, he's a guy that
thinks through a lot of these things. This is where
he's in his career. I do I think that if
he decided to go wherever he goes, he'll be all in.
That's just the way he is. I do think that
there's a degree. And I said this to you last
time I was on the show. I don't think he
liked the way he exited, and you look how he
played last year. He played all seventeen games determined to
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do so, but you know, the five wins, that's just
not who he wants to go out as being a
quarterback on that kind of team. So I think he's
motivated to play, and I think at the same time,
where does he want to play? But you know, those
are conversations that you've got to be convinced that's where
his heart is at. And I think that's the thing
that you'd have to have is constant communication with HIMMS standpoint,
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and where's russelling this whole thing? So I mean, you know,
that's the thing again. I go back to the same thing.
You've worked with him for a year. A lot of
good things were done, they weren't healthy at the end
of the season. This is a much better receiving room
corps DK Metcalf. You have a history with him. Again,
the biggest question to me on that offensive side is
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what are you going to do with George Pickens? Is
he going to be motivated to play in the last
year of his contract? Are you going to extend him?
Where is there going to be any degree of getting
something for him from the standpoint of trade. So these
are conversations that I think are having, but also there's
no deadline to some of these conversations. The biggest deadline
you're going to have right now is going to be
the draft.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'm talking to Bill Couer, Hall of Famer and now
with the NFL today on CBS. When it comes to quarterbacks,
I always think, you know, if I get together with you,
I see your medicals and I do an interview with you.
But I got to look at game tape like game
tape has to factor in, you know, a really high percentage.
I think we get caught up in the combine and
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we get caught up in pro days and then all
of a sudden, I don't know, did you fall in
love with somebody at a pro day or the combine
and going against maybe kind of that intuitiveness of that
guy's my kind of football player.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Yeah, I think you those are metrics that you're looking
at that you know, whether it's there's speed, there's size,
there's athleticism, the quarterback positions or act receive, the ability
to have anticipation and throw with anticipation, the ability how
much did you do in colleage and how much do
you really how much did you run the offense or
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how much leeway did you have? Can you set protections,
can you make audibles? These are things that to me,
when you start to work with the guy, you find
out what his strengths are and what is maybe his
liabilities may be what you know, certain things that you
just don't want to do with the guy ask me
to do something he can't do. So I think it
takes working with someone sometimes and again, you know, how
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much is the comfort level of that quarterback? I go back.
I think the one thing I've been very much suppressed
with it's kind like Kevin O'Connell. I think he can
take a quarterback, he can sit in a room with
them and realize exactly how much he can get out
of this player. Where is this player comfortable? And that
says that may be scaling something back, but also maybe
an opportunity to open something up where they feel like,
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let me see it, Let me spread this out and
see it and I can process things there. So how
quarter of that process is and for me, how you
deliver the information, the leeway you give him. What's his
strengths athleticism wise, what's his strength reads wise? What's his
better throws? Is he more accurate on certain areas and
certain throws? These are things that you have to work
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with someone on a regular basis and you get a
better feel for what they can and more importantly, what
they can't do.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Okay, but how much I don't know if you were
skeptical with Ben Roethlisberger, Like what what was the big
concern you had with Roethlisberger when you drafted him?
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Probably just the level of play. You know, I watched
him play, you know, play many big games. You know
you're playing in the back. I get it, and there's
you know, it's not bad competition, but you know, it's
not the NFL, and you know, but when he did
play those big games, he did play well. And so
when we got him, I just, you know, I just
didn't think it was fair to a young quarterback to
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throw them in there right away, Dan, because the game
is faster, you're processing things more, it's more complex, it's
a new system. I just think you want to make
sure that quarterback is comfortable, and that's your football team
is comfortable with that quarterback, you know. So I didn't
want to set our team back by putting someone in
there who wasn't ready to go in there. And at
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the same time, do I stud his growth and development
as a quarterback. So I do think there's a lot
to be said for not even starting up now. He
came in the third game of the season of his
Bookie year and started playing. But he didn't have that
pressure in the preseason. He had that pressure in training camp.
He was doing a lot of like one minute and
two minutes, you know, no huddle quarterback, I mean practices,
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and he was he was running in a no huddle
and doing the one minutes and he played in the preseason.
Then limited time in the third and fourth quarter, maybe
in a backup role, so the pressure of not being
to get the week one starter was not on him,
and so when he came in, you know, we kind
of try to ease him into it in terms of
we had a football team around him. And that's why
I say before I said building it around him. We
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had a good offensive line, we had a running game,
We had a pretty solid group of receivers. So it
was just coming in and making sure that you ran
and it did your part in that offense. I didn't
ask you to win games. We'll asking you not to
lose games. That doesn't mean you're being risk adverse. So
this means you're not taking chances of doing the things
that allow him to do. And he did come in
and he you know, he felt more comfortable out of
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the pocket and running around and I used to call
it playing street ball, where he didn't. He made the
game look very simple. It wasn't how we designed it
and frustrating at times as a coach, but at the
same time, we were winning games and he was doing
things that he felt comfortable. So you try to reel
them in, but not too much because you kind of
let him do his thing because he was having success,
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but you knew it wasn't sustainable. So what you would
really try to do is just get him to grow
to develop. While he was very comfortable within this system
that he thought was very simple, so you try to
keep it simple and then it become more complex and
he becomes more comfortable.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I think you gave us the story that Ben would
act like he couldn't hear you.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Yeah, that's when he got real. He got wall he
got too comfortable. So it's like, like, let me just
do this. I think I think my headphones are out.
No they're not, because I'm got me skip that home
And I said, the helmet's fine. Go oh Ben, the
helmet's fine. He goes, it just came back on. I go, yeah,
I came back on. It's called selective hearing. Selective hearing.
So yeah, if we have it with our kids, He
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was like, I have one of my kids. They have
selective hearing.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Can you relate it all to Bill Belichick?
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Yeah, I mean well as a football coach for sure.
I mean I think that like, did you.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Ever think like, I mean, that's that's a big change.
Could you ever see yourself? I don't think you coached
in college as a head coach, but doing something like that.
If NC State says, would you like to coach us?
Could you see that even right now? I mean you're
younger than Belichick.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
Yeah, no, I mean the coaching landscape right now in
college sports is just I don't know. I always looked
at college sports as being a purity of It's it's
amateur element to it. You work your way to the
professional element. It's a period of time. You know, only
one percent of college players are going to play professional
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football and everyone else is going to move on to
their next state stage in life. And so I thought
it was the best four years of my life when
I played in college.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
And you you're tremendously impacted by your coaches, and I
love that part of it. I remember going down when
I stepped down, be able to talk to to the
NC State football team on sprint print spring practices and
just recognize the kind of impact you have as a
coach for those people. I remember, you know my coach.
I had Lou Holtz my first year of bo Ryan
my next three years.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Some of the players I played with I still in
contact with today, and so you know, it's you know,
high school football, college football. I mean that was that
was pure and it was it was a part of
growing up, and you know, at that point then you
have to be ready to move on to the next
days of life. And I was fortunate enough to be
able to stay in the professional football make it for
for five years, and get into coaching. And but I
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coaching is still it's in your blood. That's Anything I'll
say about Bill I do doesn't surprise me, because I
do think he does love coaching the game of football.
I think he's his core values of how he believes
the game should be played, and the respect that he
has for the game is something that will be a
great benefit to to to the players that he ends
up coaching. So I think that from that standpoint as
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a football coach, he's tremendously insightful. I think he's very
good at what he does, you know, have great impact
on those people. So I think that if mess standpoint,
it doesn't surprise me. It wouldn't be interesting to see
how they how it goes with them and the whole
college football scene. Dan right now with the NIL and
hiring GMS now talking about positions of GMS and college football.
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It's almost like the wild wild West. I just just
doesn't seem like to any guardrails sometimes in terms of
what they can and can't do.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
How many times do you think you were out coached
in your career.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
It happen?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I mean, I mean we spend a lot of time
talking about coaches and Belichick being maybe the greatest coach
of all time, But can you get out coached?
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Yeah? I mean I think when you're not prepared and
you don't have the ability to have flexibility to make
you know, uh, you know, alterations in terms of what
you do in the course of the game, you got
to you know, you talk about house game adjustments. That's real.
What's real is the fact is you can prepare all
week for something and if I can show you something
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you have prepared for them, it's gonna be your ability
to be able to be a good teacher on the
men and to be able to do some things on
the sideline to make some adjustments in game adjustments. And
so that to me is where at times, you know,
you feel like you're you're you're a play caller or
you're a defensive signal caller. Sometimes you feel like you're
just just one play behind. There's there's a step ahead.
(31:54):
They you call something and they can beat you with it,
or something you are ahead of them, you're dictating the
pace play. So I do think coaching is so impactful
in the game, and in every game that you win
or lose, you can go back to three or four
plays that maybe you wish you had back, and three
or four plays that you say, wow, you know it
was a great call at the right time, or at
times it's just the way the ball bounced. And so
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there are times when you know it's just you know,
you can take one or two plays and it's a
fifty to fifty ball that you didn't come down with.
Is that being out coach. I wouldn't say that is,
but I think to a degree, I think every football
game that you win and lose, there's a tremendous impact
that coaching can have in that game in terms of
what you do and also then moving forward. And I
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do think that sometimes some of the greatest lessons you
learned is you watch a football team, you think one
thing going in then you come out of it. Is
that ability to be able to stay a step ahead
all of a sudden, all of a sudden, not be
a team that can be all. We know exactly what
you're going to do every week. I'm always going to
have the better players than you. So I got schematically
be able to do something that can give my football
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team a competitive inage and how I coach them, and
my decision making and my ability to adapt and adjust
and do some things differently. Because it's just not working.
Keep beating my head against the wall. Think Okay, we's
gonna keep doing it because that's who we are. We'll
know who we are, should be someone you're not sure
who we are. If I can make sure you're not
sure who we are because we throw a lot of
different things. That to me is what great coaching is about.
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Is to be able to stay a step ahead, to
be creative in your thinking, open minded in your thinking,
and keep your players kind of excited about what's coming
up next, because even they know if there's gonna be
something a little bit tweaking, we're gonna tweak something about
how we approach every game each week, making it all personal.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Is there a decision that you made that still haunts you? Ah?
Speaker 6 (33:45):
You know? I mean you get fourth and three in
the AFC Championship game and you have the three yard
line and it's like, that's your game. If you go
score a touchdown, you you go to the Super Bowl.
If you don't, you go home. Well called the play
and Neil Donald passed that was banned by Dennis Gibson.
That was intended for Barry Foster. So I guess I
(34:06):
just gave you that play, which I was so yeah,
so it was incomplete. Would I want that play back? Yeah,
maybe I would want that play back. Yeah, no, okay,
you had to bring it up. I just told you
there was a Neil Donald now by Dennis Gibson, and
it was intended for Barry Foster. I thought it was
a great play. I actually called the play and it
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was the nineteen ninety four AFC Championship game against the
San Diego Chargers, So yeah, that was ironically enough, the
following year, in the same end zone AFC Championship game,
last play of the game was a hail Mary from
Jim Harball into the end zone and this one was
bannedn So this was another incomplete pass in the end zone,
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but this time it was a good thing. So it
was I remember those two plays very vividly. And also
the remember the play that we have Ben Roethlisberger block
and Antoine Randall well to Hines wardplay. We practiced staff
for so long and it was in the fourth quarter
and it was kind of sealed the game. So you
do remember particular plays that were very impactful in big games,
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and they're all not always wins.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Are you glad you called in today?
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, I'm glad.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
I'm glad you even asked me to come in.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, okay, I am, okay, I know, I just.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
I like this conversation. This is great.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I didn't want to ruin your day where you're you know,
you go to lunch and your wife's going, what's wrong?
The very Foster throw and.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
I know you started listen. I love the fact this
time of year there is free agency going on. They're
getting ready for the draft, you know, and free agency
really does impact the draft. Say what you want, but
like a lot of things that happened between now and then,
you know, I go back to up until the very
day of the draft, we traded for uh, Jerome Bennis
(35:58):
against with the Rams, and consequently we didn't uh, we
didn't we were going to take Eddie George if we
didn't get very uh, if we didn't get Jerome bettet
So uh, there's you know, this time of year, it's
funny because everybody's decisions and you have like the musical
chairs with the quarterbacks. He's got Russell Aaron. You still
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have the Giants probably looking for one, but are they
going to draft one? You know, is Kevin o'kay going
into it with J. J. McCarthy and no other veterans.
So you're kind of waiting to see what happens and
how that unfolds. And so it's if you wake up
and you kind of check the news and see what
any news is the other day and we're still still
waiting on Aeron and no you I'm sure he's still
(36:40):
on the beach walking up and down this morning to
see what he wants to do. I don't know, but
you know, but it is like I said before, there's
no timetable right now. I know we all got in
and get anxious about what's going on, what are we
going to do here there? But you know, at the
same time, I think you're getting ready for some of
these pro days, you're getting ready for the draft, and
and I think right now you're in a feel for
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what you want to do and more importantly of where
the wad players' mindsets are.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Great to talk to your coaches always, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Anytime that's the Hall of Famer Bill Kaller will take
a break. We're back after this.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
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Speaker 2 (37:24):
You know the fact they get Ben Roethlisberger, they were
six and ten, they bring in Ben. Ben played at
Miami of Ohio, and if you see Ben playing in
a MAC game, it's like, you know, somebody is playing
that guy should be playing against guys who were his size.
You know, you have the guy in the backyard. He's
always bigger than everybody else. That was Ben in the mac.
So you have a six' five quarterback in THE mac back,
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then AND i Think Ohio state wanted to make him
a tight. End and then all of a, sudden The
steelers decide they're going to take. Him they don't start.
Him then they win thirteen in a. Row but you,
know carved out A hall Of fame. Career BUT i
do love That ben would act like he couldn't Hear
Bill kauer calling the. Play you gotta be really good
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tom In North, Carolina good Morning, tom what's on your mind?
Speaker 10 (38:28):
Today good MORNING. Dp so you might think me as
a unc, apologist But i'm just trying to be, fair
like the Great Dan. Patrick So i'm thinking more kind
of overlooking the fact that THE ncaa Gave duke a
(38:48):
really big favor by putting them the first round In
raleigh with their number one player being kind of in
rehabbing his. ANKLE i, mean these guys can go home
every night after the.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Game, Okay first of, All, tom there's nothing more unc
like than taking a shot At, Duke so let's not
shift the blame and Go duke gets to play close to.
Home this has happened for. DECADES ucla used to play
In california with their tournament. Games, uh you want to
(39:20):
pack these. Arenas that's another thing you got to factor. In, Yes, martin.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
That's also the reward for being the number one seed
you play close to.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Home bill In, Florida, Hi, bill what's on your? Mind good, Morning.
Speaker 7 (39:33):
Dan six two sixty. Five, WELL i don't know why
everybody's making such a big fuss about this Whole Aaron rodgers.
Thing he did the same exact thing In Green. Bay
he wants the. Attention he's a one trick, pony and
Even penn Or teller wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Trick thank, You, BILL a pen and reference there With Aaron. Rodgers,
YEAH i may not like, it BUT i still have
to cover. THIS i saw Where aaron Or Adam schefter
was frustrated about. This i'm, like, dude that's your. Job,
(40:16):
Okay i'm, sorry he's not going to make his decision
to make everybody's job easier. Here you, KNOW i don't
like waiting for, it but if you give, HIM i
would have given him a. DEADLINE i just want to,
know do you want to play for my? Team and
IF i would have kept justin fields IF i was
(40:37):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
North Carolina shouldn't have been in, they got in, and
a lot of conspiracy controversy with North Carolina in. They
face San Diego State coming up tonight. North Carolina favored
by four and a half. They must win situation. By
the way, according to DraftKings odds, to win March Madness,
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you basically have four teams, four schools. It's Duke, Florida, Auburn, Houston.
Then after that it's a big, big jump to Alabama.
It's a four team race. Now there will probably be
another double digit seed that makes it to the Elite eight,
maybe to the Final four. These things happen because of
(00:52):
the transfer portal. You're getting schools that have a good
team or they can get a player coming in and
oh it takes is one or two players, unless you're
Rutgers and you can have a great season. The fact
that Rutgers is going to have two of the first
five players drafted this year and didn't make the tournament
(01:13):
is remarkable. But you're finding out that you have a
lot of these teams that have stockpiled older players, junior seniors,
and those teams are always dangerous come tournament time.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes, do you consider that what you just said about
Rutgers when you're drafting a player.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I would I did that with Ben Simmons.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I thought Ben Simmons was shooting with the wrong hand
when I first watched him. I went, I think he's
right handed? Still possible, Yes, it is. Yes. I saw
where Ben Simmons wants to play for Australia in the Olympics.
I think Kyrie Irving would like to play for Australia
in the Olympics. Also saw where Ben Simmons is. Is
(01:55):
he selling his house in Brooklyn? How many houses does
he have? Because he's should open up an NBA Airbnb
and just hey, if you go to that team, you
can have my house here. If you're in Philadelphia, if
you're in Brooklyn, if you're in la I got a
house for you, yes, Paul.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yeah, Ben Simmons condo in the area called Dumbo in Brooklyn.
Seventeen million dollars sixteen nine nine nine Damm. It looks fantastic.
It's six bedrooms.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh, it looks fantastic. You're almost seventeen million. Well, well
that's nice.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's not quite as big as you'd think for seventeen million.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
But it's very nice, Okay, but Ben Simmons couldn't get
LSU to the tournament. Markel Folds. That was another one
we talked about that where they won what nine games?
If you have the number one pick in the draft,
you win nine games. I got I got to put
a question mark by that, and it turned out to
(02:55):
be true. You know. I mean, there's some things that
happened to Markel Folts. He forgot how to shoot, and
you know, did revitalize his career a little bit there.
That was where you know, I came in. I don't
know the timeframe of it, but I talked to a
source and he thought, this is when Philadelphia and Boston
(03:19):
were making the trade. And he says, Philly will take
the wrong guy. He goes, the best player in the
draft is Jason Tatum, and he said Philadelphia is going
to screw this up. And I remember coming in and saying,
the best guy in the draft is Jason Tatum. And
but you know, you're getting an undersized guard for a
(03:39):
team that won what eight or nine games in college
and then you're going to take him, Yes, Martin, but.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I think the big difference is on LSU. Besides Ben Simmons,
you couldn't name another NBA player Markel Folt's the same thing.
You have two not like first round picks, two top
five maybe top ten picks. The Rutgers coach is probably
on the hot seat.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, Rutgers doesn't normally get these players, so nil, somebody
spent a lot of money on these two players. Ron
Harper's son, and who's at Ace Bailey? Bailey you know,
I watched him play and he'll give you a highlight.
I don't know if he gives you a full game,
but man, does he give you highlights. And then Dylan Harper,
Ron Harper's son, he would be dropping dime. I mean
(04:26):
you would watch and you go, damn, these guys are
really good. Were there teammates that bad that you couldn't
make up for, you know, the other three in the
starting lineup?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, it could be a situation too where I'm speculating.
I have no idea. I haven't really paid attention. But so,
who's the guy. Can't both be the star? Ace Bailey's
his star Aast Bailey is for sure. However, Dylan Harper
probably kind of like I don't know, man, I'm pretty
kind of much the guy in my whole life too,
So which one of us?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Two of the top five guys and there didn't make
the NCAA tournament. All right? Some phone calls here eight
seven to seven three DP show. Good morning. If you're
watching on Peacock, Thank you. Bill Kuer, Hall of Fame
coach will join us coming up, get his thoughts on
what his Steelers are doing at the quarterbacking position. We
have no word, no update on Aaron Rodgers' situation, which
(05:23):
also affects Russell Wilson's situation, whether it's the Giants, the
Steelers probably not having him back. But if Aaron Rodgers
doesn't go to Minnesota, does he go to Pittsburgh? Does
he go to the Giants? Russell Wilson is probably just
sitting at home going Any news on Aaron Rodgers Nope, nothing.
(05:44):
Poll question for hour two is going to be what
Seaton let me.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
See, let me update you on the first couple that
we got there. Right now, Shadur Sander's still holding on
to a lead. Who gets drafted first, Shador or Jackson
Dart that's still at about sixty five percent.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
The reason why we brought this up is mel kiper
draft expert, just had his latest mock draft and he
has Jackson Dart going tenth overall to the New Orleans Saints.
That's where the wave of compliments. I guess with Jackson
Dart it is Jackson Dart day. It just became Jackson
(06:21):
Dark Day. Yes, what else do you have seton?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And then we also have a best ever quarterback name,
obviously Jackson Dark, Joe Montana, Johnny Utah, Cult McCoy right now,
Johnny Utah running away with this one.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Now second place.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's a tie, but this person has a slight edge
by aboutzero point three percent. That would be Cult McCoy,
barely ahead of Joe Montana.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Reggie in Mississippi, Hi, Reggie, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7 (06:51):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
About hey?
Speaker 7 (06:53):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (06:54):
Quarterback names? One that sticks to me. I used to
like Billy Joe Tolliver. Could be a lot of Billy
Joel's around here, but my absolute favorite is former Oklahoma
quarterback Joel Booty.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You know, you know what, when you brought up Billie
Joe Tolliver, the first name I thought of was General Booty,
just because I mean, how does that go over? Where?
You say to your wife and I got it. If
it's a boy, I got a name, what is it?
Because I think, isn't there a Josh Booty? Like you
get to General Booty. I mean that's a big jump.
(07:32):
There's certain times when you're in the delivery room and
you're talking about names and then all of a sudden
you just say what about And then you know your
wife goes, okay, let's get out of here. Like we
named my daughter because we thought that she was going
to be a boy. My wife swore that she was
going to be a boy. We didn't have a girl's name.
You got to give her a name to get out
of the the hospital gave her a name. Six months
(07:55):
later she goes, that's she that's not who she She's
not an Emily. I said, okay, what's that mean? Well,
you got to go down to the courthouse. We're going
to change your name to Georgia. Okay. And then that
was it. But given what she went through, whatever she
said went, let's just get out of the hospital here.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yes, Paul General Booty is the nephew of former NFL
quarterback John David Booty.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Oh John David.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Yes, and also form NFL quarterback Josh Booty is given
name is General Axel Booty. Wow, I love military designations.
Major apple White.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
That was good.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Like you say, you know what we're going to go
with major, We're not prepared to go with general not corporal?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yes, not staff sergeant, staff sergeant apple White reporting for duty,
Sir infinated. All right, so Bill Kauer will join us
coming up. I'm wondering about Travis Hunter. Now we know
he can play two positions? Is he going to be
able to Does he get two salaries if he plays
two positions? How many plays do you then say we
(08:59):
got to pay him more because he's going to be
a full time cornerback, part time wide receiver or vice versa.
Jamar Chase is getting paid over forty million dollars. So
if you look at the wide receiver position, forty million
Derek Stingley Junior, the Texans just got thirty million dollars
a year. Even the franchise tach twenty four million for
(09:21):
a wide receiver, twenty one for a cornerback. And I'm wondering,
if you're Travis Hunter, do you say I think I
want to be a wide receiver because that's where there's
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your mind?
Speaker 7 (09:56):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (09:57):
Good morning.
Speaker 10 (09:57):
Dan.
Speaker 9 (09:58):
Wanted to just comment. You know you had mentioned and
I think you and even the governor of West Virginia
are all on the same page. You know you had
said the you know they should televise the selection committee
unless they have something to hide. Yeah, And I think
what the Governor's trying to say is there is something
to hide. You have a bunch of people in a
room who are financially incentivized for their team to make it.
(10:21):
And I think what comes out of all of this
is not an injunction to stop times game. That's silly.
But I think, you know, you might see that these
processes start to be televised because of something the governors do.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I don't think they'll allow it. I don't think the
nc DOUBLEA wants to be told what to do, although
the nc DOUBLEA should be told what to do, needs direction,
But all they are is they're a traffic comp in
a small town. They're not really stopping anybody. It's like
Barney Feife and Andy Griffith. You know they're not They're
(10:57):
kind of harmless. But you aren't dealing with a lot
of money here, and you're making big decisions here. Can
you at least let us understand the process here, what
goes on, what goes on with the you know, the
college football rankings. I'd be curious. And if you're not
(11:17):
going to allow us to have this, if you're not
going to seek transparency, why, like if you have nothing
to hide Now you may say, well, you know, people
don't want to attach their name to certain opinions they
might have. Okay, I just want the right people making
the right decisions. The NCAA has been corrupt for a long, long,
(11:38):
long time. There's a lot of things that go on.
We don't know why they did, when they did, how
long they did, even nil Now like now they're saying,
if you're recruiting a kid nil out of high school,
now you can offer enticements. Now you weren't allowed to
do that and I'm doing this for the radio audience.
(11:59):
In quotation marks with you know you weren't allowed to
entice or recruit when they were leaving high school. Yeah,
of course that never happened. Well, this is what happened.
There's no paperwork. Now we've had some situations where kids
get to college they didn't sign anything because you weren't
allowed to sign something. Then they get there and then
the school goes, uh, you didn't sign anything. There's no document,
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there's no paper trail because you couldn't. Well, now you can.
It's just the NCAA gave us the student athlete back
in the seventies, bolder buyers student athlete, and I thought, well,
you know, it's a great name, a label. You're a
student athlete. They're not. It's a full time job. It
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truly is. And the pressures now you have players getting
death threats, you have prop bets, people are betting on you. Like,
there's a lot going on right now in college college athletics.
And I don't know if there's anybody who can kind
of come in and clean it up, you know, you
just and that's what is really scary. If you have
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something that makes billions of dollars and there's no speed
limit here. What do you think is going to happen?
There could be a lot of accidents, casualties. And that's
the unfortunate part of this is there's a lot of
march madness. Is wonderful the college football Playoff, it'll expand.
These idiots finally realized how much money when I kept saying,
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you're at four, why don't you double it? And then
you double your money, and then all of a sudden
they go, you know what, We're gonna double it. And
now we're going to go to twelve. Now we're going
to go to fourteen. Then we'll go to sixteen. Now
we have sixty eight teams. Now we want to go
to seventy six. Okay, I'm gonna make money, but I
want to make sure that you're smart with your product.
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And that's the disappointing part. The NC double A has
not been smart. They have not been ahead of anything.
They've always been oh my god, now what do we do?
Like ni Elan the transfer portal, they're like once again,
former coach told me, schools aren't going to pay for
guys who aren't quarterbacks or wide receivers. I said, Oh,
(14:18):
they will. I said, they'll buy an entire offensive line
coach And he said, no way, goes what are we
going to give them pizza? And I go okay, And
once again I do rub it in with him occasionally
when I hear that somebody got paid certain, you know,
but that's because we didn't. Really, it was a myopic view.
(14:41):
We're going to pay for the star. That's the way
they used to do it. You paid for a star player. Basketball,
you paid for a star player. You didn't pay everybody.
You paid for a star player. That's not the case
college football. You're paying offensive and defense. Look at Georgia.
Look no further than Georgia. Look how they won, and
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you're able to do it legally. Brought in defensive line,
offensive line. I mean, that's that's what's going on. But
there's so much money here and they don't understand any
of this. Nil. They fought it for years. Transfer portal, Oh,
you can't let players do it? Why you let coaches
do this? Why don't you have a coach sit out
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a year when he transfers to another school.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Yes, didn't somebody try to argue with you about them
not being able to pay? They didn't want to pay
like offensive and defensive lineman. That's crazy to me because
to me, it's easier to find fast little guys than
fast big guys.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
He said, what are we going to pay him? Pizza?
And I just said, I said, coach, you got it wrong.
But he didn't want to pay. So they, you know,
in their mind they don't want to pay. We shouldn't
be paying. They should want to play for our school.
That's just not the case anymore. And with March madness,
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can we get transparency? Is that asking a lot? I
don't think they would ever allow it. All right, let
me take a break. I'll get down off my soapbox. Here.
Bill Cower will join us. Coming up next year, Dan
Patrick Show.
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Speaker 2 (17:26):
It was a month ago when Bill Kauer was on
the program and he said that he expected the Steelers
to have dialogue with Aaron Rodgers. Well, they probably had
dialogue and we're still waiting for Aaron Rodgers. Coach joins
us on the program. What do you think the Steelers
are going to do and what do you think the
Steelers should do at quarterback?
Speaker 6 (17:47):
All right, well, number one, I've done a very good
job of keeping their playing their cards in house and
not sharing a lot of the conversations that they've had.
I'm sure when you think about it, Dan so Well,
I think right now there's really not a deadline. So
I'm sure they're sitting back way and what their options are.
I don't know exactly how much money has played into this,
(18:10):
you know, I think they wanted justin fields. Is my speculation. Again,
this is all speculation. I've talked to nobody within the building,
but I think they wanted to go with a younger
player to see if it can develop. I personally think
that Russell Wilson is your best choice. It's the better
It's going to be a better offensive line room with
Fontano coming back and moving broader to left tackle. I
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think you're looking at the best receiving core you're going
to have in a long time. In terms of they
can keep George Pickens or not. They will be in
the next conversation that you will have to have remand
Wilson was a guy that very common on last year,
Kylevin Austin stepped up. So I think the offense and
hole and I think, you know, with Arthur Smith in
the second year in theory, should should take a step forward.
(18:54):
So I think they're sitting back and again I think
this is not I like a Pittsburgh way of doing things,
of seeing what their options are, not feeling pressed to
make any decision based on the fact there's no deadline.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
But also with Aaron at this age, how much how
much should you factor age into this the way he
plays the position?
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Well, I think the same is the factor wrestlingto it.
I think that these are two players that who gives
you the best chance to win this year, maybe next year,
and then in the meantime bridge yourself to the next quarterback,
whoever that may be. You know, I think back then
to when we had Neil Donno who was a third
round pick, and we ended up having Cordell Stewart who
was a second round pick. You know, both those players,
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you know, as you sat there and you built your team,
realize that you know that was a position that you
know you had to have a consistent play from it.
I think that's what they need to get, is it
going to be a guy that's a franchise quarterback. Not
everybody has one, but I think the biggest thing you
have to do is build around it and not just
sit there and wait on one position to say that
that's going to be the fate of your football team.
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You think, to last five losses, this wasn't just on
Russell Wilson, this was you know, you played two of
the teams were in the Super Bowl, and then you
lost three games to to to division teams, to to
Baltimore and went to Cincinnati, and those are very much
playoff caliber teams. And you know, I think we look
at all five of them. You played against five really
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good quarterbacks, and the defense is not play up up
to snuff, to be quite honest with you, and certainly
the offense didn't contribute, didn't have your best players at
the time. George Pickens was probably hurting at the end
of the season, So you really a little handcuff from
that position standpoint. But again, I think you go back
and as you sit back and reflect, I think, you know,
they had a chance to work with Justin, had a
(20:42):
chance to work with Russell. You know who they are,
and they know the system as well you lost Justin
Russell still out there, you have a chance to get
Aaron Rodgers and case still throw it. Yes, is he
mobile enough? I think so? But does he really want
to play? I mean, the longer you wait, you just
have to wonder where is his heart? How much does
he really want to do? And I said, you know,
(21:02):
I just think when so he starts talking about retirement,
they've already checked the box. So they've checked out to
some degree, and uh, you know, so how much is
he modified to want to come here and be a
part of trying to win a championship and then consequently
consequently bridging a bridge to the next guy. And maybe
that next guy's Mason Rudolph. And he's sitting there right
there underneath your nose. He played there before. Could he
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be a leader? Gino Smith? Could this be Sam Darnold
who all of a sudden they blossom later in their careers.
So I think there's a lot let that has to
play out. I think signing Mason Rudolf made a lot
of sense.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
If you were still coaching, would you reach out to
Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Yeah? I think I would have reached out to him
from the very beginning. I'm sure that they did.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Again, Mike Tomlin reached out to him and just to
gauge his interest.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
I don't think there's any any question about that. And
I think, again from Aaron's standpoint, he's a guy that
thinks through a lot of these things. This is where
he's in his career. I do I think that if
he decided to go wherever he goes, he'll be all in.
That's just the way he is. I do think that
there's a degree. And I said this to you last
time I was on the show. I don't think he
liked the way he exited, and you look how he
played last year. He played all seventeen games determined to
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do so, but you know, the five wins, that's just
not who he wants to go out as being a
quarterback on that kind of team. So I think he's
motivated to play, and I think at the same time,
where does he want to play? But you know, those
are conversations that you've got to be convinced that's where
his heart is at. And I think that's the thing
that you'd have to have is constant communication with HIMMS standpoint,
(22:34):
and where's russelling this whole thing? So I mean, you know,
that's the thing again. I go back to the same thing.
You've worked with him for a year. A lot of
good things were done, they weren't healthy at the end
of the season. This is a much better receiving room
corps DK Metcalf. You have a history with him. Again,
the biggest question to me on that offensive side is
(22:54):
what are you going to do with George Pickens? Is
he going to be motivated to play in the last
year of his contract? Are you going to extend him?
Where is there going to be any degree of getting
something for him from the standpoint of trade. So these
are conversations that I think are having, but also there's
no deadline to some of these conversations. The biggest deadline
you're going to have right now is going to be
the draft.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'm talking to Bill Couer, Hall of Famer and now
with the NFL today on CBS. When it comes to quarterbacks,
I always think, you know, if I get together with you,
I see your medicals and I do an interview with you.
But I got to look at game tape like game
tape has to factor in, you know, a really high percentage.
I think we get caught up in the combine and
(23:32):
we get caught up in pro days and then all
of a sudden, I don't know, did you fall in
love with somebody at a pro day or the combine
and going against maybe kind of that intuitiveness of that
guy's my kind of football player.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Yeah, I think you those are metrics that you're looking
at that you know, whether it's there's speed, there's size,
there's athleticism, the quarterback positions or act receive, the ability
to have anticipation and throw with anticipation, the ability how
much did you do in colleage and how much do
you really how much did you run the offense or
(24:09):
how much leeway did you have? Can you set protections,
can you make audibles? These are things that to me,
when you start to work with the guy, you find
out what his strengths are and what is maybe his
liabilities may be what you know, certain things that you
just don't want to do with the guy ask me
to do something he can't do. So I think it
takes working with someone sometimes and again, you know, how
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much is the comfort level of that quarterback? I go back.
I think the one thing I've been very much suppressed
with it's kind like Kevin O'Connell. I think he can
take a quarterback, he can sit in a room with
them and realize exactly how much he can get out
of this player. Where is this player comfortable? And that
says that may be scaling something back, but also maybe
an opportunity to open something up where they feel like,
(24:52):
let me see it, Let me spread this out and
see it and I can process things there. So how
quarter of that process is and for me, how you
deliver the information, the leeway you give him. What's his
strengths athleticism wise, what's his strength reads wise? What's his
better throws? Is he more accurate on certain areas and
certain throws? These are things that you have to work
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with someone on a regular basis and you get a
better feel for what they can and more importantly, what
they can't do.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Okay, but how much I don't know if you were
skeptical with Ben Roethlisberger, Like what what was the big
concern you had with Roethlisberger when you drafted him?
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Probably just the level of play. You know, I watched
him play, you know, play many big games. You know
you're playing in the back. I get it, and there's
you know, it's not bad competition, but you know, it's
not the NFL, and you know, but when he did
play those big games, he did play well. And so
when we got him, I just, you know, I just
didn't think it was fair to a young quarterback to
(25:53):
throw them in there right away, Dan, because the game
is faster, you're processing things more, it's more complex, it's
a new system. I just think you want to make
sure that quarterback is comfortable, and that's your football team
is comfortable with that quarterback, you know. So I didn't
want to set our team back by putting someone in
there who wasn't ready to go in there. And at
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the same time, do I stud his growth and development
as a quarterback. So I do think there's a lot
to be said for not even starting up now. He
came in the third game of the season of his
Bookie year and started playing. But he didn't have that
pressure in the preseason. He had that pressure in training camp.
He was doing a lot of like one minute and
two minutes, you know, no huddle quarterback, I mean practices,
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and he was he was running in a no huddle
and doing the one minutes and he played in the preseason.
Then limited time in the third and fourth quarter, maybe
in a backup role, so the pressure of not being
to get the week one starter was not on him,
and so when he came in, you know, we kind
of try to ease him into it in terms of
we had a football team around him. And that's why
I say before I said building it around him. We
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had a good offensive line, we had a running game,
We had a pretty solid group of receivers. So it
was just coming in and making sure that you ran
and it did your part in that offense. I didn't
ask you to win games. We'll asking you not to
lose games. That doesn't mean you're being risk adverse. So
this means you're not taking chances of doing the things
that allow him to do. And he did come in
and he you know, he felt more comfortable out of
(27:16):
the pocket and running around and I used to call
it playing street ball, where he didn't. He made the
game look very simple. It wasn't how we designed it
and frustrating at times as a coach, but at the
same time, we were winning games and he was doing
things that he felt comfortable. So you try to reel
them in, but not too much because you kind of
let him do his thing because he was having success,
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but you knew it wasn't sustainable. So what you would
really try to do is just get him to grow
to develop. While he was very comfortable within this system
that he thought was very simple, so you try to
keep it simple and then it become more complex and
he becomes more comfortable.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I think you gave us the story that Ben would
act like he couldn't hear you.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Yeah, that's when he got real. He got wall he
got too comfortable. So it's like, like, let me just
do this. I think I think my headphones are out.
No they're not, because I'm got me skip that home
And I said, the helmet's fine. Go oh Ben, the
helmet's fine. He goes, it just came back on. I go, yeah,
I came back on. It's called selective hearing. Selective hearing.
So yeah, if we have it with our kids, He
(28:18):
was like, I have one of my kids. They have
selective hearing.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Can you relate it all to Bill Belichick?
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Yeah, I mean well as a football coach for sure.
I mean I think that like, did you.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Ever think like, I mean, that's that's a big change.
Could you ever see yourself? I don't think you coached
in college as a head coach, but doing something like that.
If NC State says, would you like to coach us?
Could you see that even right now? I mean you're
younger than Belichick.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
Yeah, no, I mean the coaching landscape right now in
college sports is just I don't know. I always looked
at college sports as being a purity of It's it's
amateur element to it. You work your way to the
professional element. It's a period of time. You know, only
one percent of college players are going to play professional
(29:11):
football and everyone else is going to move on to
their next state stage in life. And so I thought
it was the best four years of my life when
I played in college.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
And you you're tremendously impacted by your coaches, and I
love that part of it. I remember going down when
I stepped down, be able to talk to to the
NC State football team on sprint print spring practices and
just recognize the kind of impact you have as a
coach for those people. I remember, you know my coach.
I had Lou Holtz my first year of bo Ryan
my next three years.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Some of the players I played with I still in
contact with today, and so you know, it's you know,
high school football, college football. I mean that was that
was pure and it was it was a part of
growing up, and you know, at that point then you
have to be ready to move on to the next
days of life. And I was fortunate enough to be
able to stay in the professional football make it for
for five years, and get into coaching. And but I
(30:04):
coaching is still it's in your blood. That's Anything I'll
say about Bill I do doesn't surprise me, because I
do think he does love coaching the game of football.
I think he's his core values of how he believes
the game should be played, and the respect that he
has for the game is something that will be a
great benefit to to to the players that he ends
up coaching. So I think that from that standpoint as
(30:24):
a football coach, he's tremendously insightful. I think he's very
good at what he does, you know, have great impact
on those people. So I think that if mess standpoint,
it doesn't surprise me. It wouldn't be interesting to see
how they how it goes with them and the whole
college football scene. Dan right now with the NIL and
hiring GMS now talking about positions of GMS and college football.
(30:46):
It's almost like the wild wild West. I just just
doesn't seem like to any guardrails sometimes in terms of
what they can and can't do.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
How many times do you think you were out coached
in your career.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
It happen?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I mean, I mean we spend a lot of time
talking about coaches and Belichick being maybe the greatest coach
of all time, But can you get out coached?
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Yeah? I mean I think when you're not prepared and
you don't have the ability to have flexibility to make
you know, uh, you know, alterations in terms of what
you do in the course of the game, you got
to you know, you talk about house game adjustments. That's real.
What's real is the fact is you can prepare all
week for something and if I can show you something
(31:32):
you have prepared for them, it's gonna be your ability
to be able to be a good teacher on the
men and to be able to do some things on
the sideline to make some adjustments in game adjustments. And
so that to me is where at times, you know,
you feel like you're you're you're a play caller or
you're a defensive signal caller. Sometimes you feel like you're
just just one play behind. There's there's a step ahead.
(31:54):
They you call something and they can beat you with it,
or something you are ahead of them, you're dictating the
pace play. So I do think coaching is so impactful
in the game, and in every game that you win
or lose, you can go back to three or four
plays that maybe you wish you had back, and three
or four plays that you say, wow, you know it
was a great call at the right time, or at
times it's just the way the ball bounced. And so
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there are times when you know it's just you know,
you can take one or two plays and it's a
fifty to fifty ball that you didn't come down with.
Is that being out coach. I wouldn't say that is,
but I think to a degree, I think every football
game that you win and lose, there's a tremendous impact
that coaching can have in that game in terms of
what you do and also then moving forward. And I
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do think that sometimes some of the greatest lessons you
learned is you watch a football team, you think one
thing going in then you come out of it. Is
that ability to be able to stay a step ahead
all of a sudden, all of a sudden, not be
a team that can be all. We know exactly what
you're going to do every week. I'm always going to
have the better players than you. So I got schematically
be able to do something that can give my football
(32:57):
team a competitive inage and how I coach them, and
my decision making and my ability to adapt and adjust
and do some things differently. Because it's just not working.
Keep beating my head against the wall. Think Okay, we's
gonna keep doing it because that's who we are. We'll
know who we are, should be someone you're not sure
who we are. If I can make sure you're not
sure who we are because we throw a lot of
different things. That to me is what great coaching is about.
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Is to be able to stay a step ahead, to
be creative in your thinking, open minded in your thinking,
and keep your players kind of excited about what's coming
up next, because even they know if there's gonna be
something a little bit tweaking, we're gonna tweak something about
how we approach every game each week, making it all personal.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Is there a decision that you made that still haunts you? Ah?
Speaker 6 (33:45):
You know? I mean you get fourth and three in
the AFC Championship game and you have the three yard
line and it's like, that's your game. If you go
score a touchdown, you you go to the Super Bowl.
If you don't, you go home. Well called the play
and Neil Donald passed that was banned by Dennis Gibson.
That was intended for Barry Foster. So I guess I
(34:06):
just gave you that play, which I was so yeah,
so it was incomplete. Would I want that play back? Yeah,
maybe I would want that play back. Yeah, no, okay,
you had to bring it up. I just told you
there was a Neil Donald now by Dennis Gibson, and
it was intended for Barry Foster. I thought it was
a great play. I actually called the play and it
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was the nineteen ninety four AFC Championship game against the
San Diego Chargers, So yeah, that was ironically enough, the
following year, in the same end zone AFC Championship game,
last play of the game was a hail Mary from
Jim Harball into the end zone and this one was
bannedn So this was another incomplete pass in the end zone,
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but this time it was a good thing. So it
was I remember those two plays very vividly. And also
the remember the play that we have Ben Roethlisberger block
and Antoine Randall well to Hines wardplay. We practiced staff
for so long and it was in the fourth quarter
and it was kind of sealed the game. So you
do remember particular plays that were very impactful in big games,
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and they're all not always wins.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Are you glad you called in today?
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, I'm glad.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
I'm glad you even asked me to come in.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, okay, I am, okay, I know, I just.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
I like this conversation. This is great.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I didn't want to ruin your day where you're you know,
you go to lunch and your wife's going, what's wrong?
The very Foster throw and.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
I know you started listen. I love the fact this
time of year there is free agency going on. They're
getting ready for the draft, you know, and free agency
really does impact the draft. Say what you want, but
like a lot of things that happened between now and then,
you know, I go back to up until the very
day of the draft, we traded for uh, Jerome Bennis
(35:58):
against with the Rams, and consequently we didn't uh, we
didn't we were going to take Eddie George if we
didn't get very uh, if we didn't get Jerome bettet
So uh, there's you know, this time of year, it's
funny because everybody's decisions and you have like the musical
chairs with the quarterbacks. He's got Russell Aaron. You still
(36:19):
have the Giants probably looking for one, but are they
going to draft one? You know, is Kevin o'kay going
into it with J. J. McCarthy and no other veterans.
So you're kind of waiting to see what happens and
how that unfolds. And so it's if you wake up
and you kind of check the news and see what
any news is the other day and we're still still
waiting on Aeron and no you I'm sure he's still
(36:40):
on the beach walking up and down this morning to
see what he wants to do. I don't know, but
you know, but it is like I said before, there's
no timetable right now. I know we all got in
and get anxious about what's going on, what are we
going to do here there? But you know, at the
same time, I think you're getting ready for some of
these pro days, you're getting ready for the draft, and
and I think right now you're in a feel for
(37:01):
what you want to do and more importantly of where
the wad players' mindsets are.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Great to talk to your coaches always, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
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Speaker 2 (37:24):
You know the fact they get Ben Roethlisberger, they were
six and ten, they bring in Ben. Ben played at
Miami of Ohio, and if you see Ben playing in
a MAC game, it's like, you know, somebody is playing
that guy should be playing against guys who were his size.
You know, you have the guy in the backyard. He's
always bigger than everybody else. That was Ben in the mac.
So you have a six' five quarterback in THE mac back,
(37:47):
then AND i Think Ohio state wanted to make him
a tight. End and then all of a, sudden The
steelers decide they're going to take. Him they don't start.
Him then they win thirteen in a. Row but you,
know carved out A hall Of fame. Career BUT i
do love That ben would act like he couldn't Hear
Bill kauer calling the. Play you gotta be really good
(38:08):
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tom In North, Carolina good Morning, tom what's on your mind?
Speaker 10 (38:28):
Today good MORNING. Dp so you might think me as
a unc, apologist But i'm just trying to be, fair
like the Great Dan. Patrick So i'm thinking more kind
of overlooking the fact that THE ncaa Gave duke a
(38:48):
really big favor by putting them the first round In
raleigh with their number one player being kind of in
rehabbing his. ANKLE i, mean these guys can go home
every night after the.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Game, Okay first of, All, tom there's nothing more unc
like than taking a shot At, Duke so let's not
shift the blame and Go duke gets to play close to.
Home this has happened for. DECADES ucla used to play
In california with their tournament. Games, uh you want to
(39:20):
pack these. Arenas that's another thing you got to factor. In, Yes, martin.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
That's also the reward for being the number one seed
you play close to.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Home bill In, Florida, Hi, bill what's on your? Mind good, Morning.
Speaker 7 (39:33):
Dan six two sixty. Five, WELL i don't know why
everybody's making such a big fuss about this Whole Aaron rodgers.
Thing he did the same exact thing In Green. Bay
he wants the. Attention he's a one trick, pony and
Even penn Or teller wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Trick thank, You, BILL a pen and reference there With Aaron. Rodgers,
YEAH i may not like, it BUT i still have
to cover. THIS i saw Where aaron Or Adam schefter
was frustrated about. This i'm, like, dude that's your. Job,
(40:16):
Okay i'm, sorry he's not going to make his decision
to make everybody's job easier. Here you, KNOW i don't
like waiting for, it but if you give, HIM i
would have given him a. DEADLINE i just want to,
know do you want to play for my? Team and
IF i would have kept justin fields IF i was
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