April 2, 2025 • 42 mins
DP reacts to Nikola Jokic's 61-point triple double. Should he be named MVP? NFL on FOX analyst Mark Sanchez brings insight on how players might vote on the "tush push," and gives his thoughts on Shedeur Sanders' NFL comps. Mike Florio dives into the NFL Owners Meetings drama, and takes aim at Jerry Jones' stubborn contract tactics with Micah Parsons.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
All Right, Seaton got a poll question for me, and
then we'll dive into what we saw last night with
the team's kind of jockeying for playoff position. These games
are meaning a lot to a lot of teams players. Yeah,
you have the other end of the spectrum that the
teams that are tanking. But last night what we saw
with Denver, what we saw with Golden State was very impressive.
(00:27):
What do you have for his first hour?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Well, I was going to start off non sports. Actually
I think we have a good poll question coming segment two.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Okay, if we.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Start out non sports, go with Val Kilmer his best movie? Okay,
passed away yesterday. Yeah, Val Kilmer just passed away. His
best movie? Would it be Tombstone? The Doors Heat? He's
in another Top Gun. Yeah, he's sort of a minor
character in that. He's in another movie called Kiss Kiss
(00:58):
Bang Bang.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
That was really great. I think that's where he met
his wife and Kiss Kiss Bang Back.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I might throw real genius in there, just maybe that's
the eight year old in me, but I used to
love real genius.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, he had a cameo in Top Gun. The new one,
but in the original he was iceman. Yea had a
big role. He was in Willow. It was a big
movie when I was a kid. I remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Pauline.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I was actually watching Tombstone last night. It's one of
those movies when you're flipping you're like, oh, Tombstone, and
it's one of the Tombstone is a very good Western vel.
Komar takes it to the next level. He's the best
thing in the movie.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I don't think I've ever watched Tombstone. I know, yeah,
don't think I have.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, man, yeah, it's too bad too, because I don't
know that you can now. But god, was that a
good movie when it came out.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh it doesn't hold up. I don't know if it
does or not.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I'm finding that almost no movies really hold up anymore,
to be honest with you, I just started watching I
started rewatching last night The Wire with my son. Yeah fifteen.
I'm like, nah, dude, you're gonna love this whatever. And
I had to give after the first episode. I was like,
all right, give me two episodes. Oh no, give me
two episodes. And then because he couldn't stop laughing at
(02:14):
like some of like the way some of like the
cops acted or something. You're like, oh my. He was like,
oh my god, this is so corny. But I'm like, nah,
just you're meeting a lot of characters. Give me two
more episodes and then let me know.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Oh man, Breaking Bad would still hold up. I'm guessing
if you haven't seen Breaking Bad, I haven't watched the Sopranos.
So the Sopranos still hold up. I'm guessing I don't know. No, Okay, yeah, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
If you go back and rewatch some of these things,
like the first three episodes of the Sopranos, it's all
about the psychologist psychiatrist. It's not kind of a mafia yet,
it doesn't. It's like the first couple episodes of Seinfelder're
not that good yet.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yes, Todd, Lauren brock thank you, Tom. Lorraine brockos not Lauren.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
He prefers Lorraine.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
I call it Lauren.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Our friends to call her Lauren, and everyone on Earth
blame it on Lorraine. Okay, So I think we might
have a poll question Play of the Day coming up
as well. Joker went for sixty one ten and ten,
and if he went sixty one nine and nine. It
would still be as impressive, but we get caught up.
It was a triple double and he had sixty one points.
(03:30):
That is true. He played over fifty two minutes scoring
the sixty one points in a double overtime loss to
the Timberwolves. So ten and ten. So that's the third
sixty point triple double in NBA history. James Harden did it,
and then Luka Doncic. You go back to Luca in
(03:51):
twenty twenty two, he went sixty twenty one and ten.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Still of a day, stand.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
To day, Stanta to day, stannaa day.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
This is the style of the day run too by
Panini America. Steph Curry made twelve three pointers. He finished
with fifty two points. So he has fifteen career games
of fifty or more points, tied for six most all
time and tied with Dame Lillard for your second among
(04:27):
active players. You're watching him and he makes it look simple.
He makes it look easy, but so does Joker. Joker
is so methodical, you could say plodding. He's a really
good outside shooter, but he would get inside it and
it's just old man moves. That's a little shake over here,
a little you know, fake over here, move over here,
(04:48):
a little jump book here, and he's going against the
stifled tower, Rudy Gobert, and he just does what he
wants to do. And same with Steph. But Steph trying
to do it on the perimeter, and at one point
Zach Edie is out there trying to guard him. So
you had seven to four against sixty three and Steph
(05:10):
got just enough room and then he shoots a three.
It's remarkable. You know, I've watched the NBA for probably
fifty five years and you just watch somebody shoot like that,
and nobody has ever shot like that, no one, And
he just makes it look effortless and it's not that
(05:34):
is not easy what he does, but he finds enough space.
He's really good at doing that. And Joker does too.
Because you look at Joker and you go, why can't
somebody stop him? He is so good with his footwork,
he's so smart with the ball, and he just moves
at his own pace. He brings the game to his speed.
(05:56):
Kawhi Leonard used to do that on a regular basis.
Does that you slow the game down to your pace
instead of you have to speed up to what you
would think an NBA game's pace would be and it's remarkable.
But to watch Steph, I don't know if he'll ever
be reduced to a role player like his father was.
(06:18):
You know, his dad was a great shooter, but he
wasn't a guy who was going to beat off the dribble.
He'd usually be in the corner, you know, shooting. But
I don't know if because Steph isn't going to play
any place else, I don't think this is He's going
to retire as a Golden State Warrior. But can he
be the third option? You know, let's say three years
(06:40):
down the road, is he still able to be Steph
Curry two years down the road? Can they bring in
somebody who would be the number one option on that
team because Jimmy Butler is not going to be there
long haul, long term. They do have some younger players,
but I haven't seen anybody take that next step up.
And then Denver did this without Jabal Murray. It was
(07:00):
Joker that was it. Here is Anthony Edwards who was
dynamic as well. Last night, the Timberwolve scarred talking about
Yo Kich's performance.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
I might have been the best name in my life.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
I bet I've been a part of koos bro.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Oh my god, he might be the best basketball player
I've ever seen, like Closa, besides to my like, besides myself,
to myself.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Bruh, he's incredible, bress. The MVP race is tough.
Speaker 8 (07:30):
Now, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah sixty, Yeah, that is funny. He's the best basketball
player except for me. But Anthony Edwards was wonderful again
last night. But these are games, you know, they're meaningful.
With Golden State jockeying for position, Denver jockeying for position.
This is when you watch a game and you truly
get to watch a game and enjoy a game. You're
(07:53):
seeing great players play games that really mean something. And
Joker's playing almost fifty three minutes last night, and he's
the focal point every time down the floor that wears
you out. Same with Steph. It's like, all right, go
out there and get him. Gonna load up, Steph, You're
(08:13):
on your own tonight, all right? Eight seven seven three
DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle a
DP show the NFL Owners meetings. I got a confession
to make because I know it's going to happen I'm
gonna go to like a Christmas party and I'll be
the sports expert and somebody will say, hey, game's going
into overtime. What are the overtime rules in the NFL?
(08:36):
And I'm going to go, I think, oh, I think
both teams get the ball. But I think that, well,
this is regular season? Is regular season overtime? The same
as Posty, I might pull a Jim Beayheim. Oh hold on,
(08:57):
my wife's calling me. Yeah, like I can't keep track
of it. They just keep tweaking and tweaking and tweaking,
and then you're going, I don't know, but looks like
tweaking over time. How they spot the ball, the chain
gang or they keeping the chain gang? What's their role
in the game. They're going to be able to review
(09:20):
if you get hit somebody out of bounds, they're going
to be able to review roughing the quarterback. There's a
lot that was being unpacked at the owner's meetings. Then
you had the tush push and then they're going to
table that. And all that means to me is, see,
this isn't like the movie what is it, Twelve Angry Men,
where they have to stay in and come up with
(09:40):
a verdict, and I think I was back in the
sixties or something, But why don't they just say we're
going to stay in here until we come up with
a vote. But if I'm the Eagles and Jeffrey Lorie
the owner, and I go, wait a minute, we're all here.
Why are we tabling this? Because tabling means we don't
(10:00):
have enough support yet. But let's wait till May and
then I'm going to work behind the scene. If I'm
the commissioner or are reading the commissioner, it'd be hey,
I don't have all the votes. Let's just table this now.
They tabled other things to be fair to this rule,
but that feels like we want to get rid of
the tush push. Let's table this. And if I'm the
(10:23):
Eagles and I'm Jeffrey Lorie, I just say, Commissioner, what
are we waiting for. Everybody can vote right now. Let's
take a vote. And I don't know if you can
do that. I don't know if you want to embarrass
the commissioner. But this is a rule that's directed at
(10:43):
the Eagles. That's it. We're all here, let's all vote,
and then let's see if we keep this. Because I
think if they voted yesterday, they probably didn't have the
necessary votes to put an end to the tush push
because they needed twenty four vot yes, balling.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yeah, it's a good point. The Eagles kind of have
to know about this play as they plan their team
going forward. It changes the structure of their offense. They
should demand it.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, I'm surprised because it felt like the momentum was there,
but I just got the feeling that the commissioner didn't
get what he wanted. Here is Roger Goodell yesterday.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
There's a lot of discussion about going back to the
previous rule, back to pre two thousand and four. The
reality of it is, I think that makes a lot
of sense in many ways because I get expands it
beyond just that single play. There are a lot of
plays where you see someone pulling or pushing somebody that
(11:44):
are not in the tush push formation that I think
do have an increased risk of injury. And so I
think the committee will look at that and come back
in May with some proposals.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
And you know what that proposal will be.
Speaker 9 (11:58):
See.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, but yeah, they used to call this that you
couldn't push somebody from behind. I don't know, you know
what genius goes, you know what, we should let them
push from behind.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
And now the.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Commissioner, I guess, can go back and say, you know what,
on second thought, we're going to change. We're going to
go back to the original rule now. Chase Daniel of
the Athletic he has a podcast called Scoop City, former quarterback.
He said that he spoke to a doctor who believes
there is zero data that says the tush push creates
added health and safety concerns for NFL players. Yes, I
(12:36):
said that yesterday. My source said there's no data. They
want data, but they don't have anything. And that's what
you know. Maybe the Commissioner's trying to find new ways
to get more information just to say to these other owners,
but I don't know who's gonna Can you get twenty
four to vote against this?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
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Speaker 2 (14:09):
He's Mark Sanchez, by the way, in second place in
our March Madness Bracket challenge, behind Johnny Bench he's ahead
of Jim Parsons, Joey Votto, and Brady Quinn. Mark Joints
is on the program. Do you know what happened at
the NFL owners meetings?
Speaker 6 (14:25):
That's a very good question. I've heard soundbites from different outlets,
but I've also been knee deep and some brand new
children here. So I told Fritzy last night that wasn't
well abreast of everything in the NFL these last weeks
or so. But listen, you know they always get together
(14:47):
to discuss these kind of rules and what are we
going to change last year the kickoff now the kickoffs
changing a little bit more, you know. Regardless, it always
seems that and I never really he had an issue
with this as an offensive player, but the hashes are
narrower for a reason. You know, you want the offense
(15:08):
in the middle of the field. You want high scoring games,
you want exciting plays. When something becomes a competitive advantage
or a detriment to players health where you know, I
still haven't found any data for that either. I haven't
done a deep dive on the toush push, but it
doesn't seem like players are getting carted off the field
on a regular basis because of the play. So I
(15:31):
don't know what you do with that. I do know
it is nearly impossible, and I don't hear many many
people talking about this. It's nearly impossible to officiate. I mean,
where's the line of scrimmage? You know you saw I
think it was Frankie Louvu in the NFC Championship game
just doing the old school Troy Paula Maalo just jump
over the line of scrimmage like he looked like, who
(15:55):
is the WWF guy, Jimmy Superfly Snookut, remember that guy
jumping off the top rope and he was It's like,
screw it, they're going to score anyway. I'm going. I'm
just going, and I'm going to try and time the
snap and jump over the pile and see what happens.
And at one point it basically said like if you
do it again, we're automatically giving them six points. So
I mean that right there told me it's gonna be
(16:16):
an issue at the NFL owners meetings. I don't know
what you do about it.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
So okay, but if I put this to a player's vote,
not an owner's vote, what do you think the how
do you think the players would vote on keeping it
or getting rid of it.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
I think you got four teams, like Nick Sirianni said,
that was one of my favorite sound bites, is we
have four teams that should be voting to keep this
play in because that got three other coaches jobs Kellen Moore,
stich In and Rich can Er and Jonathan Gannon. So
he's like, those guys were all a part of it. Yeah,
it got us all first downs, It kept that Gannon's
(16:55):
defense off the field, that got Kellen Moore the job
in Nola. So I got four votes right there, and
I don't disagree with them. I think I think you know,
he's spot on with that one.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
When you see cam Ward, do you see enough that
separates him from the other quarterbacking candidates? And if so,
what is that?
Speaker 6 (17:16):
I see an X factor? I see that potential. And
there's always a guy, you know, every couple of years
in the draft where you where you see this extended
playmaking ability, you see something that just wows you, and
it's there. He has it. Now it's about can you
manage this thing? Can you you know, can can we
(17:40):
teach this guy and mold this guy and trust our
coaches that we have to get him to go fifteen
play drives, multiple third down conversions, taking easy checkdowns, and
then when it's time to go on the phone booth,
throw on the Superman cape and come back out and
go be cam Ward and make the crazy falling away,
(18:01):
you know, sidearm whatever into traffic between two defenders, throw
on fourth down to win the game. Great, then go
ahead and do it, but it can't be every single play,
and that's not how the NFL is. You know, guys
get away with more and more, guys like Jayden Daniels
have a little more wiggle room then you know, maybe
(18:25):
certain other players and the game is shifting towards that.
You know, I think Mahomes really exploded that and expedited
that process, I guess, and was a catalyst for those
kind of off schedule plays. But you also have to
remember he got a ton of pub for that after
watching one of the most consistent quarterbacks in Alex Smith
(18:46):
go through a West Coast system the right way and
play it by the book. Operate the offense, put the
ball in play, protect the football, get completions, stack your completions,
and you know, never go broke. Taking a profit however
you want to say it. Whatever hits the kid's brain
to make them operate the right way. If somebody can
(19:08):
get them to do that, you got to have a
lot of trust in your quarterback coach and your offensive
coordinator and somebody who's gonna be there forever. He's not
going to be able to do this with five different
coordinators in five years. Yeah, that's not It's got to
be a long term plan, hopefully somewhere that has a
great veteran for him to watch. But I mean, the
kid has some electrifying plays, and you know, those are
(19:29):
the kind of players that just and I've said it
on the show before that God, I wish I could
roll out of bed and do something like that. Man,
And it's all like I was a bad player. I
was pretty damn good. But you're just like, dude, I
could have never done that, And so it's you envy
guys like that there, they're special talent.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Tim Hasselback, who played the position now NFL analysts for
The Mothership, did a player con for Shdor Sanders and
he said he could see Kirk Cousins or Andy Dalton.
Is that a compliment to Door Sanders?
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I would say it's it basically goes back to what
I was talking about, who can operate the offense. I mean,
those guys have had playoff appearances. Those guys you know
have have I believe, won their division at least once.
You know it's it's It truly is a compliment. I
don't think I don't think it should be viewed another way.
(20:23):
It's those guys can operate an offense. They can get
you down the field, they get the ball to the playmakers,
and they're the ultimate old school you know, point guard
that that plays defense, distributes the ball, has the high
shorts and slaps the floor when he plays defense. You
know what I mean. That's those are those guys and
(20:44):
that there's there's nothing wrong with that. That's just a
different style. And as long as you're winning game, nobody cares.
If you operate the offense. Well, you're scoring your thirty
plus points a game, nobody cares how you do it.
It's more fun, sure to watch the guy that runs
all over the place and it looks more like a
add in football game. That's great, but that's also really
hard to continue to play like that. And from an
(21:07):
offensive coordinator's perspective, when you get up to the line
of scrimmage, they got a pretty good idea of where
this ball is gonna go. There's nothing more frustrating for
an offensive coordinator then get up to line the scrimmage
and going, oh God, I don't know what this guy's
gonna do with the ball. That's like way too much
stress for a coach to go in and out of
(21:28):
every game every drive, like, oh, boy, does he understand
what we're doing here? Like that guy's got to know
and he's got to know that.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
You know.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
So I think those are compliments and I don't mind
that camp. I think I think Houseback does a good
job breaking stuff down.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
He's Mark Sanchez, Fox Analyst. It's so, oh, your brats,
we're gonna get.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Oh, here we go, Oh your bracket. Finally, I'm I'm
doing well.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Sure you would show me baby pictures of the twins
as opposed to your brackets.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
I got listen, Perry Mattfeld Now, Sanchez, my wife is
an absolute superstar of a mom twin girls. We got
the weights in uh seven, two and five twelve for twins.
(22:20):
That's pretty big. And we knew she had this kind
of potential when we were scouting her in the draft
eight years ago, and she has far surpassed her draft
round status. Okay, but we knew with the right coaching
and the right system that she would develop from a
special teams type player making impact plays on special teams
(22:43):
to now being a perennial All Pro and this is
going to be her first All Pro year as a mom.
I am thoroughly impressed. And it's been pretty cool. Man.
I'll send Fritzy some picture.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
How about a round of applause for Yeah, You're never
more proud of your wife than in that moment, right.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Amen to that. I was blown away a multiple times.
I just wanted to be like, I am so sorry.
This is my fault.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yes it is.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
It takes two to tango, but I am sorry.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
But you led with your brackets though. So that's that's
not good.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Your wife, I hope, is not going to be made
aware of this that you led with your brackets, not
your big Oh no.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
She's also on a peacock show by the way, right now,
Long Bright River with Amanda Safreed. Okay, so she's in
that show. It's been it's it's gotten some pretty decent reviews,
and I obviously enjoy it, but I'm biased.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So see, got a little plug in there for that's good.
You did your job. You did your job, and congratulate
your bracket and the twin. Yeah, and the twins in
that order.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
I'm my son, by the way, who you've met.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
He wanted to name them fish and chips, and so
I was like, no, we went with Francesca and Samantha. Okay,
Frankie and Sammy, fran Cake and Samburger, so okay. And
in Spanish it's really good. It's awesome. I love that one.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Are they going to be bilingual?
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I hope so their dad is yeah, I'm their dad.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Oh you're the dad.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
My bad, dang, my bad thought of his liner? Oh wow, wow,
where where did did I say?
Speaker 6 (24:39):
What I was thinking?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Fritzy too far, too far, too far far. I apologize that.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Wow, Now I'm rooting for you in the bracket challenge.
Now now if I feel bad, now I.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Got it simple good. You should know bad should go bad.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Uh, congrats on the babies though.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Appreciate you, Ma, and I got some new gear. So
remember Nick Foles and pad O'Donnell pat o'donald the punter yea.
I was with them with the Bears, and then Foles
and I were together with the Eagles. But he gave me.
He sent me a bunch of dad season gear and
he's got like a hat line and clothing line, and
so it was pretty cool. She got a lot of
baby gifts, which she deserves as the mom going through everything.
(25:27):
But I got a couple of things that's nice. I
was like, hey, that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Thank you, Mark. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Dolls would be good, We'll talk to that's Mark Sanchez.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
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Speaker 2 (25:47):
I go to Mike Florio in a time of need.
There are times when we have a question, Toddle send
it to Mike Florio. He usually responds something that could
be of a legal issue, Mike being a lawyer, and
now I come to Mike Florio in a time of need.
I don't know exactly what happened at the owner's meetings.
I'm still trying to understand. Over time, I'm trying to
(26:10):
understand the on side kick, why the tush push was tabled. So, Mike,
where do you want to start to enlighten me and
hopefully our audience when you.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Come to me in a time of need? Dan, is
there any type of a bat signal involved that I'm
not aware of?
Speaker 8 (26:25):
Or is it just Fritzy? Is it just texting me?
That's the bat's signal? It's the fritz signal?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yes, yes, Now could the Eagles have demanded a vote
yesterday with the tush push?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Well, no, that's not how it works.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
When the wind is blowing against a proposal passing, it
tends to get tabled because if you put it up
for a vote, you're going to get numbers that fall
short of the requisite twenty four to change the rules.
And ESPN dot COM's Camin Kayler reported that sixteen teams
in favor of the Packers proposal, which means sixteen aren't.
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But the proposal itself from the Packers was very flawed,
and I don't know whether they introduced a bad proposal
just to get the conversation started. But the idea of
banning the immediate pushing of the quarterback after he gets
the snap, that opens a can of worms for officiating
and consistency and replay review and tinfoil hat conspiracies. They
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threw the flag on that one when it wasn't really
immediate and the fixes in. So I'm glad they're stepping
back from that and they're really getting to the heart
of this. The heart of this is do we want
to get rid of the maneuver altogether of a player
who has the ball being pushed from behind. The rule
used to be you couldn't do it. They changed the
rule because they were never enforcing it, and that was
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more down the field, guys running for the first down.
Here comes jimbo Kervert chugging along and shoving it for
the first down. It was never incorporated into the actual play.
The Eagles realized sixteen years after they allowed this. The
Eagles realize, we can weaponize this.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
That's the issue. Are we going to reset the clock
to when you couldn't pull or push the player with
the ball?
Speaker 8 (28:10):
And if they want to get rid of this, Dan,
that's the easiest and best way to do it. Reset
the clock to two thousand and four and say no
more pushing, and then Eagles will just run a quarterbacks
and you can They'll still kick everybody's ass and they'll
have to come up is an other way to explain
why the Eagles are superior to everyone when it comes
to these short yardage plays.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, I'm with you. That's why I said you can
get rid of the tush push. The Eagles are still
going to be dominating with that offensive line and with
that quarterback in this position. But it feels like they
table this because the NFL is not getting the results
they want, which isn't fair to the Eagles. If you said,
let's vote right now, why can't they ask for a
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vote right now? So what if it doesn't pass? That's
what that's the opinion right now.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
It's a great point, and let's play it out.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
If the Eagles had said, we dem and a vote
today on the Packers' proposal, Okay, it goes down sixteen sixteen,
not enough to pass, they could still reformulate a new
proposal for May.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Which is what they're doing. I think a lot of
this is just pr based.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And they're gonna get rid of this, aren't they.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Well, this is what bothers me.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
I feel like, and it reminds me a lot of
what happened when the Patriots were successful. The Patriots always cheat,
that's what all the other teams would say. Because when
the owners are asking the coaches and gms that they've
hired and paid a lot of money to, why can't
you beat the Patriots, the easy thing to say is
they cheat. So now we've found something the Eagles do
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that helps explain their dominance, and we're saying it's.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Not football, it doesn't look like football, it's not safe.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
Well, where's the injury to at or we don't have any,
but we might have some at some point, so let's
get rid of it now because it might not be safe.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
At some point in the future.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
And what I don't like about it is I feel
like there's a lot of moving of the goalposts, and
I almost feel like our political discourse has crept into football,
where you have people making these transparently obvious, self interested
arguments that are bull crap. I almost said the other word,
and I remembered your FCC regulated, so I corrected myself.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
But they're making these.
Speaker 8 (30:24):
Arguments all because the Egles have cracked the code, and
everybody else is standing there looking at the safe and
they don't even know how to begin to spin the dial.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
And that's it feels like to me. That's what's going
on here. Let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
The Eagles are kicking everybody's butt, and so let's just
take away the best club that they have in the bag.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live, co host with Chris Sims,
the show that precedes Hours on Peacock. All right, let's
recap replay, on sidekick, any other rule changes. I'll let
you start with whatever's top on your list.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
Well, the on side kick continues to be a dead play,
and they've tabled until May the question of whether they'll
allow the team that's trailing to try an on sidekick
at any point before the fourth quarter. And it was
relevant in the Super Bowl because as the Chiefs were
driving down thirty four to nothing, I said to Michael
David Smith and Sharen Williams in the press box at
the Superdome, Hey, they might want to wait until the
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fourth quarter to score because if they score in the
third quarter, they can't do an on side kick. And
it's kind of a dumb, arbitrary limitation on the opportunity
to retain possession.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
But all that said, the on side kick currently is worthless.
It's meaningless.
Speaker 8 (31:37):
I like the idea of a fourth and long play
as a way to give the team that's trailing the
opportunity to keep possession.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
But for now they've done nothing with it.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
All they've done is they've changed the touchback point from
the thirty to the thirty five, which will spark more returns.
And it's funny, Dan, I've had people point out to me,
we're so concerned about the safety of the tush push,
which has been around for three years, and there's.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
No evidence it's not safe.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Meanwhile, we're gonna have a dramatic increase in these kickoff
returns with this new formation, where even though you don't
have the catastrophic injury potential with two guys going full
speed coming at each other thirty yards apart, you still
get guys ear hold in short yardage and kickers blown up.
And that's not even a conversation. It's just a weird
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dichotomy right now.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Well, and then they're going to be pushing for an
eighteen game season, so you can't sit here and it's
about players safe pushing.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Yeah, and it's just a matter of when it's happening.
It's just a matter of when.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Okay, But this is the last real chip for the
Players Association when you think about what can we get now?
Can we ask for three more roster spots? Could we
get an offensive Can we get a third string quarterback?
Can we get somebody on offense, somebody on defense? Or
whatever you know you're going to ask for. But this
feels like last call for the Players Association to be
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able to go. We'll give you that eighteenth game. What
do you think the players are going to win well?
And here's what it ultimately boils down to.
Speaker 8 (33:03):
Will the NFL wait until the current CBA expires in
March of twenty thirty one, Lock the players out until
they cry uncle on an eighteenth game, and then get
whatever deal the NFL has put on the table, because
we know what will happen. The players are never going
to take.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
The nuclear option. The owners will so to get to
eighteen before twenty thirty one. What will the union want
and what can the union get?
Speaker 8 (33:30):
And a year ago, Lloyd Howe, the fairly new NFLPA
executive director, was interviewed by I believe the Washington Post
possibly The Athletic and when he was asked about eighteen games,
he said.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Who doesn't want more football?
Speaker 8 (33:42):
And it was a horrible negotiating posture. He has since backtracked.
I don't know if you could put that toothpaste back
into two. But in February Dan he adopted a more
no way in hell posture, which is what you need
to start from in order to get the best possible
deal for the player.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
If it's gonna happen. And I think the year to
watch is twenty twenty nine, that's when.
Speaker 8 (34:05):
And really it's after twenty nine when the CBA, not
the CBA expires, but the TV deals.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Are up for grabs. But you know they could do it.
They could do it whenever they want.
Speaker 8 (34:13):
The union in the league could come to an agreement
on eighteen games today if they wanted to.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
The question is what can the players get?
Speaker 8 (34:20):
And you're right, more roster spots, maybe a little larger
piece of the pie.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Just basically anything else you want.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
If the league wants to get to eighteen, now ask
for everything. How I've even suggested in the past, somewhat jokingly,
go ahead and offer twenty games because we know we're
gonna get to twenty games one of these days. Twenty
games and no preseason games, and ask for everything. Now,
let's go ahead lets you want to get nuts, Let's
get nuts. Let's do twenty. And here's the list of everything.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
We'd want to go to.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Twenty overtime regular season overtime postseason. Are they aligned?
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Not?
Speaker 8 (34:56):
Now?
Speaker 5 (34:56):
No, no, not the way that I think it could
have been.
Speaker 8 (34:59):
Look, I don't like the idea of a fifteen minute
overtime in the regular season, because what if you're playing
a Thursday after you play a Sunday, and you go
fifteen minutes of overtime on Sunday, and then you got
to turn around on Thursday and potentially go fifteen minutes
of overtime then too. But by doing only ten minutes
and guaranteeing a possession for each team, we're going to
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get into a situation where the team that receives the
kick potentially is going to chew up what yeah, nine
minutes on a touchdown drive. And Chris Simms made a
great point today. You get around the thirty five of
the other team and that defense might say, well, maybe
we're gonna let him score a touchdown here because we
want to have a fair crack to answer the touchdown
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instead of having them take the rest of the time
off the clock and we're in a two minute offense
to try to match this touchdown. I think that they
made a mistake by not going back to fifteen minutes,
because you want to have both teams to have a
fair shot at a possession in that overtime period. And
I think if that's the case, you'll see most teams,
if they win the toss, choose to kick, and then
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if the team that receives gets a touchdown, you'll see
an opportunity to try to score and go for two
and end it there with ten minutes. I don't think
it's as obvious that the right choice is to kick
if you win the toss.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
More reviewable plays with replay.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
I like it, but I don't like what they've done.
I don't like this.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
Discrepancy between will use replay assist to determine whether or
not to pick up a flag that was thrown that
shouldn't have been flown, for example, horse collar tackle. They
throw the flag, they look at it, clear and obvious
evidence there was no horse collar tackle. You pick up
the flag, but face mask Sam Darnold getting the lend
of Blair treatment from the Exorcist on that Thursday night
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against the Rams, the referee didn't see it, the umpire
didn't see it, and we got the explanation, well, you
know they're down there, they can't see everything. Okay, fine,
but replay sees it. We all see it all, but
we're not going to put a flag on the field.
That to me doesn't solve the problem. There's still this
donut hole in the gap between what the official see
on the field and what we see at home, and
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the excuse like we don't want to officiate the game
from the booth. They're already doing that, we don't want
to put where it's a non starter to put a
flag down. You've had for years the ability to use
replay to put a flag down for twelve men on
the field.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
So I don't like it. I think it's a half measure.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
I think it's going to cause more problems, and hopefully
next year they'll realize we need to go ahead and
use it for you know, if there is or isn't
or was or wasn't for just a narrow handful of
plays where we can all see that the foul did
or didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I think one of the more exciting plays, even though
it's not a play, but it's a moment. Are we
going to lose the chain gang coming out to measure
for a first down? I love that, but is modern
technology going to keep those guys on the sidelines?
Speaker 8 (38:00):
Well, you know, Dan, that's the reason why they kept
doing it for over one hundred years. Think back to
when football was first invented. How do we determine whether
or not the team with the ball got ten yards?
I know, let's get two sticks and ten yards of
chain link and we'll use that to determine it.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
And it does create a moment of drama.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
When the big orange stick gets pulled and maybe Gene's
terrator has to pull a card out of his pocket
and bend over and did it really get there? And
sometimes you'll see and you see a lot of high
school games where that orange stick, you know which way
the wind is blowing a little bit here, and it's
a first down.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
But this is where the stakes of the game nowadays,
especially with legalized gambling.
Speaker 8 (38:44):
If they cry out for a full embrasive technology, let's
get everything right that we can get right, and let's
set aside the things that have been in place for
one hundred years. There are better ways to do it
and You're right, that moment is going to be gone now,
well except when the Hawkeye system ends up being down
and they have to use the chains. But I think
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there's such an imperative now for the league to try
to get everything right.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
With so much money bet legally on our.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
Phones coast to coast on the outcomes of these games,
they have to get these calls right.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I don't spend a lot of time on the Cowboys,
but when I do, it's usually about Jerry Jones and
trying to understand a man who you know, took a
one hundred and fifty million dollar investment and made it
worth ten billion dollars, but trying to understand how he
negotiates that he likes to see a little bit more. Well,
every time he's wanted to see a little bit more,
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he spends a whole lot more. He did it with
dak Ceedee Lamb, and now he's saying apparently he's got
to see a little bit more with Micah Parsons before
he ponies up the biggest contract to anybody other than quarterbacks.
So what is there a method to the madness here
that Jerry Jones is doing something that we're not seeing
The genius behind it.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
I think Jerry Jones is the prime example of how
certain skills that allowed you to make the money that
enabled you to purchase an NFL team are not transferable
to how to be as successful as you can be
when you own the NFL team. This is a guy
who has done great business deals, and he has capitalized
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on his leverage, and he knows how to twist arms
the right way and schmooth someone at the right moment
to get them to agree to a deal that maybe
isn't in their best interest, but it's definitely in his
best interest in his oil leases and all of his
other billions.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
That have come from that world. Doesn't work here. They
drag their feet with all of these key players.
Speaker 8 (40:48):
They have paid the wrong guys at times, they have
failed to pay the right guys. They wait too long.
They have gotten themselves painted into a corner with Dak
Prescott twice, the Michael Parson contract.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
If you really want to do it, you could do
it in an hour.
Speaker 8 (41:03):
Max Crosby and the Raiders did a new deal literally
in two or three hours. And you don't need to
have a ticking clock like Jerry wants to wait for
a clock that is ticking toward midnight to do his deals.
The problem is you get a player who stays away
from the offseason program, stays away from training camp, isn't
there until right before the start of the season, and
then all of a sudden, he's not the same guy.
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It's a bad way of doing business. They've burned themselves
multiple times in the past. They're stubborn about it, and
they're dragging their feet on Michael Parsons and now Dan
he's trying to negotiate directly with Parsons and cut out
his agent, which is a CBA violation, and he's open
about it. It's ludicrous and it's a bad way of
doing business. If you're a Cowboys fan, any Cowboys fans listening,
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you should demand better from the guy who is the
steward of your favorite team, because this is one of
the reasons why it's been thirty years since they've played
in the NFC Championship.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, it's too late for that. It's when his son
takes over that you asked for something, then we'll.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Think it's gonna get any better.
Speaker 8 (42:03):
He's learned from Jerry, and he's not taking the wheel
from Jerry and doing things differently. I mean, look, let's
face it, and I want to be respectful of this situation,
but there is a point where Jerry is no longer
going to have his fastball. That's when Steven's got to
step up. And we've maybe seen some evidence the past
few years to say, hey Steven, it's time for you
to take over and get things done a different way.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Thank you Mike, thank you Dan, thank you franch answering
the call.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
I need time.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I feel smarter,
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
All Right, Seaton got a poll question for me, and
then we'll dive into what we saw last night with
the team's kind of jockeying for playoff position. These games
are meaning a lot to a lot of teams players. Yeah,
you have the other end of the spectrum that the
teams that are tanking. But last night what we saw
with Denver, what we saw with Golden State was very impressive.
(00:27):
What do you have for his first hour?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Well, I was going to start off non sports. Actually
I think we have a good poll question coming segment two.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Okay, if we.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Start out non sports, go with Val Kilmer his best movie? Okay,
passed away yesterday. Yeah, Val Kilmer just passed away. His
best movie? Would it be Tombstone? The Doors Heat? He's
in another Top Gun. Yeah, he's sort of a minor
character in that. He's in another movie called Kiss Kiss
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Bang Bang.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
That was really great. I think that's where he met
his wife and Kiss Kiss Bang Back.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I might throw real genius in there, just maybe that's
the eight year old in me, but I used to
love real genius.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, he had a cameo in Top Gun. The new one,
but in the original he was iceman. Yea had a
big role. He was in Willow. It was a big
movie when I was a kid. I remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Pauline.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I was actually watching Tombstone last night. It's one of
those movies when you're flipping you're like, oh, Tombstone, and
it's one of the Tombstone is a very good Western vel.
Komar takes it to the next level. He's the best
thing in the movie.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I don't think I've ever watched Tombstone. I know, yeah,
don't think I have.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, man, yeah, it's too bad too, because I don't
know that you can now. But god, was that a
good movie when it came out.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh it doesn't hold up. I don't know if it
does or not.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I'm finding that almost no movies really hold up anymore,
to be honest with you, I just started watching I
started rewatching last night The Wire with my son. Yeah fifteen.
I'm like, nah, dude, you're gonna love this whatever. And
I had to give after the first episode. I was like,
all right, give me two episodes. Oh no, give me
two episodes. And then because he couldn't stop laughing at
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like some of like the way some of like the
cops acted or something. You're like, oh my. He was like,
oh my god, this is so corny. But I'm like, nah,
just you're meeting a lot of characters. Give me two
more episodes and then let me know.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Oh man, Breaking Bad would still hold up. I'm guessing
if you haven't seen Breaking Bad, I haven't watched the Sopranos.
So the Sopranos still hold up. I'm guessing I don't know. No, Okay, yeah, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
If you go back and rewatch some of these things,
like the first three episodes of the Sopranos, it's all
about the psychologist psychiatrist. It's not kind of a mafia yet,
it doesn't. It's like the first couple episodes of Seinfelder're
not that good yet.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yes, Todd, Lauren brock thank you, Tom. Lorraine brockos not Lauren.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
He prefers Lorraine.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
I call it Lauren.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Our friends to call her Lauren, and everyone on Earth
blame it on Lorraine. Okay, So I think we might
have a poll question Play of the Day coming up
as well. Joker went for sixty one ten and ten,
and if he went sixty one nine and nine. It
would still be as impressive, but we get caught up.
It was a triple double and he had sixty one points.
(03:30):
That is true. He played over fifty two minutes scoring
the sixty one points in a double overtime loss to
the Timberwolves. So ten and ten. So that's the third
sixty point triple double in NBA history. James Harden did it,
and then Luka Doncic. You go back to Luca in
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twenty twenty two, he went sixty twenty one and ten.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Still of a day, stand.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
To day, Stanta to day, stannaa day.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
This is the style of the day run too by
Panini America. Steph Curry made twelve three pointers. He finished
with fifty two points. So he has fifteen career games
of fifty or more points, tied for six most all
time and tied with Dame Lillard for your second among
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active players. You're watching him and he makes it look simple.
He makes it look easy, but so does Joker. Joker
is so methodical, you could say plodding. He's a really
good outside shooter, but he would get inside it and
it's just old man moves. That's a little shake over here,
a little you know, fake over here, move over here,
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a little jump book here, and he's going against the
stifled tower, Rudy Gobert, and he just does what he
wants to do. And same with Steph. But Steph trying
to do it on the perimeter, and at one point
Zach Edie is out there trying to guard him. So
you had seven to four against sixty three and Steph
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got just enough room and then he shoots a three.
It's remarkable. You know, I've watched the NBA for probably
fifty five years and you just watch somebody shoot like that,
and nobody has ever shot like that, no one, And
he just makes it look effortless and it's not that
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is not easy what he does, but he finds enough space.
He's really good at doing that. And Joker does too.
Because you look at Joker and you go, why can't
somebody stop him? He is so good with his footwork,
he's so smart with the ball, and he just moves
at his own pace. He brings the game to his speed.
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Kawhi Leonard used to do that on a regular basis.
Does that you slow the game down to your pace
instead of you have to speed up to what you
would think an NBA game's pace would be and it's remarkable.
But to watch Steph, I don't know if he'll ever
be reduced to a role player like his father was.
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You know, his dad was a great shooter, but he
wasn't a guy who was going to beat off the dribble.
He'd usually be in the corner, you know, shooting. But
I don't know if because Steph isn't going to play
any place else, I don't think this is He's going
to retire as a Golden State Warrior. But can he
be the third option? You know, let's say three years
(06:40):
down the road, is he still able to be Steph
Curry two years down the road? Can they bring in
somebody who would be the number one option on that
team because Jimmy Butler is not going to be there
long haul, long term. They do have some younger players,
but I haven't seen anybody take that next step up.
And then Denver did this without Jabal Murray. It was
(07:00):
Joker that was it. Here is Anthony Edwards who was
dynamic as well. Last night, the Timberwolve scarred talking about
Yo Kich's performance.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
I might have been the best name in my life.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
I bet I've been a part of koos bro.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Oh my god, he might be the best basketball player
I've ever seen, like Closa, besides to my like, besides myself,
to myself.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Bruh, he's incredible, bress. The MVP race is tough.
Speaker 8 (07:30):
Now, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah sixty, Yeah, that is funny. He's the best basketball
player except for me. But Anthony Edwards was wonderful again
last night. But these are games, you know, they're meaningful.
With Golden State jockeying for position, Denver jockeying for position.
This is when you watch a game and you truly
get to watch a game and enjoy a game. You're
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seeing great players play games that really mean something. And
Joker's playing almost fifty three minutes last night, and he's
the focal point every time down the floor that wears
you out. Same with Steph. It's like, all right, go
out there and get him. Gonna load up, Steph, You're
(08:13):
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DP show the NFL Owners meetings. I got a confession
to make because I know it's going to happen I'm
gonna go to like a Christmas party and I'll be
the sports expert and somebody will say, hey, game's going
into overtime. What are the overtime rules in the NFL?
(08:36):
And I'm going to go, I think, oh, I think
both teams get the ball. But I think that, well,
this is regular season? Is regular season overtime? The same
as Posty, I might pull a Jim Beayheim. Oh hold on,
(08:57):
my wife's calling me. Yeah, like I can't keep track
of it. They just keep tweaking and tweaking and tweaking,
and then you're going, I don't know, but looks like
tweaking over time. How they spot the ball, the chain
gang or they keeping the chain gang? What's their role
in the game. They're going to be able to review
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if you get hit somebody out of bounds, they're going
to be able to review roughing the quarterback. There's a
lot that was being unpacked at the owner's meetings. Then
you had the tush push and then they're going to
table that. And all that means to me is, see,
this isn't like the movie what is it, Twelve Angry Men,
where they have to stay in and come up with
(09:40):
a verdict, and I think I was back in the
sixties or something, But why don't they just say we're
going to stay in here until we come up with
a vote. But if I'm the Eagles and Jeffrey Lorie
the owner, and I go, wait a minute, we're all here.
Why are we tabling this? Because tabling means we don't
(10:00):
have enough support yet. But let's wait till May and
then I'm going to work behind the scene. If I'm
the commissioner or are reading the commissioner, it'd be hey,
I don't have all the votes. Let's just table this now.
They tabled other things to be fair to this rule,
but that feels like we want to get rid of
the tush push. Let's table this. And if I'm the
(10:23):
Eagles and I'm Jeffrey Lorie, I just say, Commissioner, what
are we waiting for. Everybody can vote right now. Let's
take a vote. And I don't know if you can
do that. I don't know if you want to embarrass
the commissioner. But this is a rule that's directed at
(10:43):
the Eagles. That's it. We're all here, let's all vote,
and then let's see if we keep this. Because I
think if they voted yesterday, they probably didn't have the
necessary votes to put an end to the tush push
because they needed twenty four vot yes, balling.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yeah, it's a good point. The Eagles kind of have
to know about this play as they plan their team
going forward. It changes the structure of their offense. They
should demand it.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, I'm surprised because it felt like the momentum was there,
but I just got the feeling that the commissioner didn't
get what he wanted. Here is Roger Goodell yesterday.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
There's a lot of discussion about going back to the
previous rule, back to pre two thousand and four. The
reality of it is, I think that makes a lot
of sense in many ways because I get expands it
beyond just that single play. There are a lot of
plays where you see someone pulling or pushing somebody that
(11:44):
are not in the tush push formation that I think
do have an increased risk of injury. And so I
think the committee will look at that and come back
in May with some proposals.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
And you know what that proposal will be.
Speaker 9 (11:58):
See.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, but yeah, they used to call this that you
couldn't push somebody from behind. I don't know, you know
what genius goes, you know what, we should let them
push from behind.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
And now the.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Commissioner, I guess, can go back and say, you know what,
on second thought, we're going to change. We're going to
go back to the original rule now. Chase Daniel of
the Athletic he has a podcast called Scoop City, former quarterback.
He said that he spoke to a doctor who believes
there is zero data that says the tush push creates
added health and safety concerns for NFL players. Yes, I
(12:36):
said that yesterday. My source said there's no data. They
want data, but they don't have anything. And that's what
you know. Maybe the Commissioner's trying to find new ways
to get more information just to say to these other owners,
but I don't know who's gonna Can you get twenty
four to vote against this?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
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Speaker 2 (14:09):
He's Mark Sanchez, by the way, in second place in
our March Madness Bracket challenge, behind Johnny Bench he's ahead
of Jim Parsons, Joey Votto, and Brady Quinn. Mark Joints
is on the program. Do you know what happened at
the NFL owners meetings?
Speaker 6 (14:25):
That's a very good question. I've heard soundbites from different outlets,
but I've also been knee deep and some brand new
children here. So I told Fritzy last night that wasn't
well abreast of everything in the NFL these last weeks
or so. But listen, you know they always get together
(14:47):
to discuss these kind of rules and what are we
going to change last year the kickoff now the kickoffs
changing a little bit more, you know. Regardless, it always
seems that and I never really he had an issue
with this as an offensive player, but the hashes are
narrower for a reason. You know, you want the offense
(15:08):
in the middle of the field. You want high scoring games,
you want exciting plays. When something becomes a competitive advantage
or a detriment to players health where you know, I
still haven't found any data for that either. I haven't
done a deep dive on the toush push, but it
doesn't seem like players are getting carted off the field
on a regular basis because of the play. So I
(15:31):
don't know what you do with that. I do know
it is nearly impossible, and I don't hear many many
people talking about this. It's nearly impossible to officiate. I mean,
where's the line of scrimmage? You know you saw I
think it was Frankie Louvu in the NFC Championship game
just doing the old school Troy Paula Maalo just jump
over the line of scrimmage like he looked like, who
(15:55):
is the WWF guy, Jimmy Superfly Snookut, remember that guy
jumping off the top rope and he was It's like,
screw it, they're going to score anyway. I'm going. I'm
just going, and I'm going to try and time the
snap and jump over the pile and see what happens.
And at one point it basically said like if you
do it again, we're automatically giving them six points. So
I mean that right there told me it's gonna be
(16:16):
an issue at the NFL owners meetings. I don't know
what you do about it.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
So okay, but if I put this to a player's vote,
not an owner's vote, what do you think the how
do you think the players would vote on keeping it
or getting rid of it.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
I think you got four teams, like Nick Sirianni said,
that was one of my favorite sound bites, is we
have four teams that should be voting to keep this
play in because that got three other coaches jobs Kellen Moore,
stich In and Rich can Er and Jonathan Gannon. So
he's like, those guys were all a part of it. Yeah,
it got us all first downs, It kept that Gannon's
(16:55):
defense off the field, that got Kellen Moore the job
in Nola. So I got four votes right there, and
I don't disagree with them. I think I think you know,
he's spot on with that one.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
When you see cam Ward, do you see enough that
separates him from the other quarterbacking candidates? And if so,
what is that?
Speaker 6 (17:16):
I see an X factor? I see that potential. And
there's always a guy, you know, every couple of years
in the draft where you where you see this extended
playmaking ability, you see something that just wows you, and
it's there. He has it. Now it's about can you
manage this thing? Can you you know, can can we
(17:40):
teach this guy and mold this guy and trust our
coaches that we have to get him to go fifteen
play drives, multiple third down conversions, taking easy checkdowns, and
then when it's time to go on the phone booth,
throw on the Superman cape and come back out and
go be cam Ward and make the crazy falling away,
(18:01):
you know, sidearm whatever into traffic between two defenders, throw
on fourth down to win the game. Great, then go
ahead and do it, but it can't be every single play,
and that's not how the NFL is. You know, guys
get away with more and more, guys like Jayden Daniels
have a little more wiggle room then you know, maybe
(18:25):
certain other players and the game is shifting towards that.
You know, I think Mahomes really exploded that and expedited
that process, I guess, and was a catalyst for those
kind of off schedule plays. But you also have to
remember he got a ton of pub for that after
watching one of the most consistent quarterbacks in Alex Smith
(18:46):
go through a West Coast system the right way and
play it by the book. Operate the offense, put the
ball in play, protect the football, get completions, stack your completions,
and you know, never go broke. Taking a profit however
you want to say it. Whatever hits the kid's brain
to make them operate the right way. If somebody can
(19:08):
get them to do that, you got to have a
lot of trust in your quarterback coach and your offensive
coordinator and somebody who's gonna be there forever. He's not
going to be able to do this with five different
coordinators in five years. Yeah, that's not It's got to
be a long term plan, hopefully somewhere that has a
great veteran for him to watch. But I mean, the
kid has some electrifying plays, and you know, those are
(19:29):
the kind of players that just and I've said it
on the show before that God, I wish I could
roll out of bed and do something like that. Man,
And it's all like I was a bad player. I
was pretty damn good. But you're just like, dude, I
could have never done that, And so it's you envy
guys like that there, they're special talent.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Tim Hasselback, who played the position now NFL analysts for
The Mothership, did a player con for Shdor Sanders and
he said he could see Kirk Cousins or Andy Dalton.
Is that a compliment to Door Sanders?
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I would say it's it basically goes back to what
I was talking about, who can operate the offense. I mean,
those guys have had playoff appearances. Those guys you know
have have I believe, won their division at least once.
You know it's it's It truly is a compliment. I
don't think I don't think it should be viewed another way.
(20:23):
It's those guys can operate an offense. They can get
you down the field, they get the ball to the playmakers,
and they're the ultimate old school you know, point guard
that that plays defense, distributes the ball, has the high
shorts and slaps the floor when he plays defense. You
know what I mean. That's those are those guys and
(20:44):
that there's there's nothing wrong with that. That's just a
different style. And as long as you're winning game, nobody cares.
If you operate the offense. Well, you're scoring your thirty
plus points a game, nobody cares how you do it.
It's more fun, sure to watch the guy that runs
all over the place and it looks more like a
add in football game. That's great, but that's also really
hard to continue to play like that. And from an
(21:07):
offensive coordinator's perspective, when you get up to the line
of scrimmage, they got a pretty good idea of where
this ball is gonna go. There's nothing more frustrating for
an offensive coordinator then get up to line the scrimmage
and going, oh God, I don't know what this guy's
gonna do with the ball. That's like way too much
stress for a coach to go in and out of
(21:28):
every game every drive, like, oh, boy, does he understand
what we're doing here? Like that guy's got to know
and he's got to know that.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
You know.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
So I think those are compliments and I don't mind
that camp. I think I think Houseback does a good
job breaking stuff down.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
He's Mark Sanchez, Fox Analyst. It's so, oh, your brats,
we're gonna get.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Oh, here we go, Oh your bracket. Finally, I'm I'm
doing well.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Sure you would show me baby pictures of the twins
as opposed to your brackets.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
I got listen, Perry Mattfeld Now, Sanchez, my wife is
an absolute superstar of a mom twin girls. We got
the weights in uh seven, two and five twelve for twins.
(22:20):
That's pretty big. And we knew she had this kind
of potential when we were scouting her in the draft
eight years ago, and she has far surpassed her draft
round status. Okay, but we knew with the right coaching
and the right system that she would develop from a
special teams type player making impact plays on special teams
(22:43):
to now being a perennial All Pro and this is
going to be her first All Pro year as a mom.
I am thoroughly impressed. And it's been pretty cool. Man.
I'll send Fritzy some picture.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
How about a round of applause for Yeah, You're never
more proud of your wife than in that moment, right.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Amen to that. I was blown away a multiple times.
I just wanted to be like, I am so sorry.
This is my fault.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yes it is.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
It takes two to tango, but I am sorry.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
But you led with your brackets though. So that's that's
not good.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Your wife, I hope, is not going to be made
aware of this that you led with your brackets, not
your big Oh no.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
She's also on a peacock show by the way, right now,
Long Bright River with Amanda Safreed. Okay, so she's in
that show. It's been it's it's gotten some pretty decent reviews,
and I obviously enjoy it, but I'm biased.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So see, got a little plug in there for that's good.
You did your job. You did your job, and congratulate
your bracket and the twin. Yeah, and the twins in
that order.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
I'm my son, by the way, who you've met.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
He wanted to name them fish and chips, and so
I was like, no, we went with Francesca and Samantha. Okay,
Frankie and Sammy, fran Cake and Samburger, so okay. And
in Spanish it's really good. It's awesome. I love that one.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Are they going to be bilingual?
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I hope so their dad is yeah, I'm their dad.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Oh you're the dad.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
My bad, dang, my bad thought of his liner? Oh wow, wow,
where where did did I say?
Speaker 6 (24:39):
What I was thinking?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Fritzy too far, too far, too far far. I apologize that.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Wow, Now I'm rooting for you in the bracket challenge.
Now now if I feel bad, now I.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Got it simple good. You should know bad should go bad.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Uh, congrats on the babies though.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Appreciate you, Ma, and I got some new gear. So
remember Nick Foles and pad O'Donnell pat o'donald the punter yea.
I was with them with the Bears, and then Foles
and I were together with the Eagles. But he gave me.
He sent me a bunch of dad season gear and
he's got like a hat line and clothing line, and
so it was pretty cool. She got a lot of
baby gifts, which she deserves as the mom going through everything.
(25:27):
But I got a couple of things that's nice. I
was like, hey, that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Thank you, Mark. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Dolls would be good, We'll talk to that's Mark Sanchez.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (25:47):
I go to Mike Florio in a time of need.
There are times when we have a question, Toddle send
it to Mike Florio. He usually responds something that could
be of a legal issue, Mike being a lawyer, and
now I come to Mike Florio in a time of need.
I don't know exactly what happened at the owner's meetings.
I'm still trying to understand. Over time, I'm trying to
(26:10):
understand the on side kick, why the tush push was tabled. So, Mike,
where do you want to start to enlighten me and
hopefully our audience when you.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Come to me in a time of need? Dan, is
there any type of a bat signal involved that I'm
not aware of?
Speaker 8 (26:25):
Or is it just Fritzy? Is it just texting me?
That's the bat's signal? It's the fritz signal?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yes, yes, Now could the Eagles have demanded a vote
yesterday with the tush push?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Well, no, that's not how it works.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
When the wind is blowing against a proposal passing, it
tends to get tabled because if you put it up
for a vote, you're going to get numbers that fall
short of the requisite twenty four to change the rules.
And ESPN dot COM's Camin Kayler reported that sixteen teams
in favor of the Packers proposal, which means sixteen aren't.
(27:04):
But the proposal itself from the Packers was very flawed,
and I don't know whether they introduced a bad proposal
just to get the conversation started. But the idea of
banning the immediate pushing of the quarterback after he gets
the snap, that opens a can of worms for officiating
and consistency and replay review and tinfoil hat conspiracies. They
(27:25):
threw the flag on that one when it wasn't really
immediate and the fixes in. So I'm glad they're stepping
back from that and they're really getting to the heart
of this. The heart of this is do we want
to get rid of the maneuver altogether of a player
who has the ball being pushed from behind. The rule
used to be you couldn't do it. They changed the
rule because they were never enforcing it, and that was
(27:45):
more down the field, guys running for the first down.
Here comes jimbo Kervert chugging along and shoving it for
the first down. It was never incorporated into the actual play.
The Eagles realized sixteen years after they allowed this. The
Eagles realize, we can weaponize this.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
That's the issue. Are we going to reset the clock
to when you couldn't pull or push the player with
the ball?
Speaker 8 (28:10):
And if they want to get rid of this, Dan,
that's the easiest and best way to do it. Reset
the clock to two thousand and four and say no
more pushing, and then Eagles will just run a quarterbacks
and you can They'll still kick everybody's ass and they'll
have to come up is an other way to explain
why the Eagles are superior to everyone when it comes
to these short yardage plays.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, I'm with you. That's why I said you can
get rid of the tush push. The Eagles are still
going to be dominating with that offensive line and with
that quarterback in this position. But it feels like they
table this because the NFL is not getting the results
they want, which isn't fair to the Eagles. If you said,
let's vote right now, why can't they ask for a
(28:49):
vote right now? So what if it doesn't pass? That's
what that's the opinion right now.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
It's a great point, and let's play it out.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
If the Eagles had said, we dem and a vote
today on the Packers' proposal, Okay, it goes down sixteen sixteen,
not enough to pass, they could still reformulate a new
proposal for May.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Which is what they're doing. I think a lot of
this is just pr based.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And they're gonna get rid of this, aren't they.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Well, this is what bothers me.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
I feel like, and it reminds me a lot of
what happened when the Patriots were successful. The Patriots always cheat,
that's what all the other teams would say. Because when
the owners are asking the coaches and gms that they've
hired and paid a lot of money to, why can't
you beat the Patriots, the easy thing to say is
they cheat. So now we've found something the Eagles do
(29:43):
that helps explain their dominance, and we're saying it's.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Not football, it doesn't look like football, it's not safe.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
Well, where's the injury to at or we don't have any,
but we might have some at some point, so let's
get rid of it now because it might not be safe.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
At some point in the future.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
And what I don't like about it is I feel
like there's a lot of moving of the goalposts, and
I almost feel like our political discourse has crept into football,
where you have people making these transparently obvious, self interested
arguments that are bull crap. I almost said the other word,
and I remembered your FCC regulated, so I corrected myself.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
But they're making these.
Speaker 8 (30:24):
Arguments all because the Egles have cracked the code, and
everybody else is standing there looking at the safe and
they don't even know how to begin to spin the dial.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
And that's it feels like to me. That's what's going
on here. Let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
The Eagles are kicking everybody's butt, and so let's just
take away the best club that they have in the bag.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live, co host with Chris Sims,
the show that precedes Hours on Peacock. All right, let's
recap replay, on sidekick, any other rule changes. I'll let
you start with whatever's top on your list.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
Well, the on side kick continues to be a dead play,
and they've tabled until May the question of whether they'll
allow the team that's trailing to try an on sidekick
at any point before the fourth quarter. And it was
relevant in the Super Bowl because as the Chiefs were
driving down thirty four to nothing, I said to Michael
David Smith and Sharen Williams in the press box at
the Superdome, Hey, they might want to wait until the
(31:23):
fourth quarter to score because if they score in the
third quarter, they can't do an on side kick. And
it's kind of a dumb, arbitrary limitation on the opportunity
to retain possession.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
But all that said, the on side kick currently is worthless.
It's meaningless.
Speaker 8 (31:37):
I like the idea of a fourth and long play
as a way to give the team that's trailing the
opportunity to keep possession.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
But for now they've done nothing with it.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
All they've done is they've changed the touchback point from
the thirty to the thirty five, which will spark more returns.
And it's funny, Dan, I've had people point out to me,
we're so concerned about the safety of the tush push,
which has been around for three years, and there's.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
No evidence it's not safe.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Meanwhile, we're gonna have a dramatic increase in these kickoff
returns with this new formation, where even though you don't
have the catastrophic injury potential with two guys going full
speed coming at each other thirty yards apart, you still
get guys ear hold in short yardage and kickers blown up.
And that's not even a conversation. It's just a weird
(32:21):
dichotomy right now.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Well, and then they're going to be pushing for an
eighteen game season, so you can't sit here and it's
about players safe pushing.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Yeah, and it's just a matter of when it's happening.
It's just a matter of when.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Okay, But this is the last real chip for the
Players Association when you think about what can we get now?
Can we ask for three more roster spots? Could we
get an offensive Can we get a third string quarterback?
Can we get somebody on offense, somebody on defense? Or
whatever you know you're going to ask for. But this
feels like last call for the Players Association to be
(32:55):
able to go. We'll give you that eighteenth game. What
do you think the players are going to win well?
And here's what it ultimately boils down to.
Speaker 8 (33:03):
Will the NFL wait until the current CBA expires in
March of twenty thirty one, Lock the players out until
they cry uncle on an eighteenth game, and then get
whatever deal the NFL has put on the table, because
we know what will happen. The players are never going
to take.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
The nuclear option. The owners will so to get to
eighteen before twenty thirty one. What will the union want
and what can the union get?
Speaker 8 (33:30):
And a year ago, Lloyd Howe, the fairly new NFLPA
executive director, was interviewed by I believe the Washington Post
possibly The Athletic and when he was asked about eighteen games,
he said.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Who doesn't want more football?
Speaker 8 (33:42):
And it was a horrible negotiating posture. He has since backtracked.
I don't know if you could put that toothpaste back
into two. But in February Dan he adopted a more
no way in hell posture, which is what you need
to start from in order to get the best possible
deal for the player.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
If it's gonna happen. And I think the year to
watch is twenty twenty nine, that's when.
Speaker 8 (34:05):
And really it's after twenty nine when the CBA, not
the CBA expires, but the TV deals.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Are up for grabs. But you know they could do it.
They could do it whenever they want.
Speaker 8 (34:13):
The union in the league could come to an agreement
on eighteen games today if they wanted to.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
The question is what can the players get?
Speaker 8 (34:20):
And you're right, more roster spots, maybe a little larger
piece of the pie.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Just basically anything else you want.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
If the league wants to get to eighteen, now ask
for everything. How I've even suggested in the past, somewhat jokingly,
go ahead and offer twenty games because we know we're
gonna get to twenty games one of these days. Twenty
games and no preseason games, and ask for everything. Now,
let's go ahead lets you want to get nuts, Let's
get nuts. Let's do twenty. And here's the list of everything.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
We'd want to go to.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Twenty overtime regular season overtime postseason. Are they aligned?
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Not?
Speaker 8 (34:56):
Now?
Speaker 5 (34:56):
No, no, not the way that I think it could
have been.
Speaker 8 (34:59):
Look, I don't like the idea of a fifteen minute
overtime in the regular season, because what if you're playing
a Thursday after you play a Sunday, and you go
fifteen minutes of overtime on Sunday, and then you got
to turn around on Thursday and potentially go fifteen minutes
of overtime then too. But by doing only ten minutes
and guaranteeing a possession for each team, we're going to
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get into a situation where the team that receives the
kick potentially is going to chew up what yeah, nine
minutes on a touchdown drive. And Chris Simms made a
great point today. You get around the thirty five of
the other team and that defense might say, well, maybe
we're gonna let him score a touchdown here because we
want to have a fair crack to answer the touchdown
(35:41):
instead of having them take the rest of the time
off the clock and we're in a two minute offense
to try to match this touchdown. I think that they
made a mistake by not going back to fifteen minutes,
because you want to have both teams to have a
fair shot at a possession in that overtime period. And
I think if that's the case, you'll see most teams,
if they win the toss, choose to kick, and then
(36:03):
if the team that receives gets a touchdown, you'll see
an opportunity to try to score and go for two
and end it there with ten minutes. I don't think
it's as obvious that the right choice is to kick
if you win the toss.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
More reviewable plays with replay.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
I like it, but I don't like what they've done.
I don't like this.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
Discrepancy between will use replay assist to determine whether or
not to pick up a flag that was thrown that
shouldn't have been flown, for example, horse collar tackle. They
throw the flag, they look at it, clear and obvious
evidence there was no horse collar tackle. You pick up
the flag, but face mask Sam Darnold getting the lend
of Blair treatment from the Exorcist on that Thursday night
(36:46):
against the Rams, the referee didn't see it, the umpire
didn't see it, and we got the explanation, well, you
know they're down there, they can't see everything. Okay, fine,
but replay sees it. We all see it all, but
we're not going to put a flag on the field.
That to me doesn't solve the problem. There's still this
donut hole in the gap between what the official see
on the field and what we see at home, and
(37:08):
the excuse like we don't want to officiate the game
from the booth. They're already doing that, we don't want
to put where it's a non starter to put a
flag down. You've had for years the ability to use
replay to put a flag down for twelve men on
the field.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
So I don't like it. I think it's a half measure.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
I think it's going to cause more problems, and hopefully
next year they'll realize we need to go ahead and
use it for you know, if there is or isn't
or was or wasn't for just a narrow handful of
plays where we can all see that the foul did
or didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I think one of the more exciting plays, even though
it's not a play, but it's a moment. Are we
going to lose the chain gang coming out to measure
for a first down? I love that, but is modern
technology going to keep those guys on the sidelines?
Speaker 8 (38:00):
Well, you know, Dan, that's the reason why they kept
doing it for over one hundred years. Think back to
when football was first invented. How do we determine whether
or not the team with the ball got ten yards?
I know, let's get two sticks and ten yards of
chain link and we'll use that to determine it.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
And it does create a moment of drama.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
When the big orange stick gets pulled and maybe Gene's
terrator has to pull a card out of his pocket
and bend over and did it really get there? And
sometimes you'll see and you see a lot of high
school games where that orange stick, you know which way
the wind is blowing a little bit here, and it's
a first down.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
But this is where the stakes of the game nowadays,
especially with legalized gambling.
Speaker 8 (38:44):
If they cry out for a full embrasive technology, let's
get everything right that we can get right, and let's
set aside the things that have been in place for
one hundred years. There are better ways to do it
and You're right, that moment is going to be gone now,
well except when the Hawkeye system ends up being down
and they have to use the chains. But I think
(39:07):
there's such an imperative now for the league to try
to get everything right.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
With so much money bet legally on our.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
Phones coast to coast on the outcomes of these games,
they have to get these calls right.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I don't spend a lot of time on the Cowboys,
but when I do, it's usually about Jerry Jones and
trying to understand a man who you know, took a
one hundred and fifty million dollar investment and made it
worth ten billion dollars, but trying to understand how he
negotiates that he likes to see a little bit more. Well,
every time he's wanted to see a little bit more,
(39:44):
he spends a whole lot more. He did it with
dak Ceedee Lamb, and now he's saying apparently he's got
to see a little bit more with Micah Parsons before
he ponies up the biggest contract to anybody other than quarterbacks.
So what is there a method to the madness here
that Jerry Jones is doing something that we're not seeing
The genius behind it.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
I think Jerry Jones is the prime example of how
certain skills that allowed you to make the money that
enabled you to purchase an NFL team are not transferable
to how to be as successful as you can be
when you own the NFL team. This is a guy
who has done great business deals, and he has capitalized
(40:25):
on his leverage, and he knows how to twist arms
the right way and schmooth someone at the right moment
to get them to agree to a deal that maybe
isn't in their best interest, but it's definitely in his
best interest in his oil leases and all of his
other billions.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
That have come from that world. Doesn't work here. They
drag their feet with all of these key players.
Speaker 8 (40:48):
They have paid the wrong guys at times, they have
failed to pay the right guys. They wait too long.
They have gotten themselves painted into a corner with Dak
Prescott twice, the Michael Parson contract.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
If you really want to do it, you could do
it in an hour.
Speaker 8 (41:03):
Max Crosby and the Raiders did a new deal literally
in two or three hours. And you don't need to
have a ticking clock like Jerry wants to wait for
a clock that is ticking toward midnight to do his deals.
The problem is you get a player who stays away
from the offseason program, stays away from training camp, isn't
there until right before the start of the season, and
then all of a sudden, he's not the same guy.
(41:25):
It's a bad way of doing business. They've burned themselves
multiple times in the past. They're stubborn about it, and
they're dragging their feet on Michael Parsons and now Dan
he's trying to negotiate directly with Parsons and cut out
his agent, which is a CBA violation, and he's open
about it. It's ludicrous and it's a bad way of
doing business. If you're a Cowboys fan, any Cowboys fans listening,
(41:46):
you should demand better from the guy who is the
steward of your favorite team, because this is one of
the reasons why it's been thirty years since they've played
in the NFC Championship.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, it's too late for that. It's when his son
takes over that you asked for something, then we'll.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Think it's gonna get any better.
Speaker 8 (42:03):
He's learned from Jerry, and he's not taking the wheel
from Jerry and doing things differently. I mean, look, let's
face it, and I want to be respectful of this situation,
but there is a point where Jerry is no longer
going to have his fastball. That's when Steven's got to
step up. And we've maybe seen some evidence the past
few years to say, hey Steven, it's time for you
to take over and get things done a different way.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Thank you Mike, thank you Dan, thank you franch answering
the call.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
I need time.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I feel smarter,
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