April 2, 2025 • 41 mins
Former NFL QB Mark Sanchez drops by to weigh in on all the rule changes and the tabled vote on the "tush push." Plus, Dan tries to figure out how Jerry Jones is going to deal with Micah Parsons' contract and build a competitive roster.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Our two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Edge Dan Patrick Show.
Friend of the show, former quarterback Mark Sanchez will join us.
Coming up, we'll play in or Out. Mike Florio will
recap the NFL owner's meetings, and I need a recap
here because I'm still not quite sure exactly what was past.
I know a few things were tabled. One of the
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things tabled the tush push, and I guess they're going
to bring it up pro vote again in May. But
the Eagles owner Jeffrey Lorie had this to say about
the play.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
My health and safety is the most important thing when
evaluating any play. We've been very open to whatever data
exists on the tush push, and you know, there's just
been no data that shows that it isn't a very
very safe play. If it weren't, we wouldn't be pushing
the tush push. First of all, it's a precision, it's
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very practiced. We think we have an unusual use of
personnel because we have a quarterback that can squad over
six hundred pounds and an offensive line that's filled with
all pro players. That combination with incredible detailed coaching with
coach Statland has created a play we can be very
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successful at.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yes, I mean that's that's the right answer. There's no
statistic or no health data involved in this. They keep
looking for it. There's nothing there. It's just just it's
a play that nobody can stop and it's not esthetically pleasing.
The NFL hates that. It's just like the extra point.
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Nobody's going to stop it. Not esthetically pleasing. Now let's
move it back a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
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around the country. He's Mark Sanchez, by the way, in
second place in our March Madness Bracket Challenge behind Johnny Bench.
He's ahead of Jim Parsons, Joey v Otto and Brady Quinn.
Mark Joints is on the program. Do you know what
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happened at the NFL owner's meetings.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
That's a very good question. I've heard soundbites from different outlets,
but I've also been knee deep and some brand new
children here. So I told Fritzy last night that wasn't
well abreast of everything in the NFL these last weeks
or so. But listen, you know they always get together
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to discuss these kind of rules and what are we
going to change? Last year the kickoff, Now the kickoff's
changing a little bit more, you know. Regardless, it always
seems that and I never really had an issue with
this as an offensive player, but the hashes are narrower
for a reason. You know, you want the offense in
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the middle of the field. You want high scoring games,
you want exciting plays. When something becomes a competitive advantage
or a detriment to players health where you know, I
still haven't found any data for that either. I haven't
done a deep dive on the toush push, but it
doesn't seem like players are getting carted off the field
on a regular basis because of the play. So I
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don't know what you do with that. I do know
it is nearly impossible, and I don't hear many many
people talking about this. It's nearly impossible to officiate. I mean,
where's the line of scrimmage? You know? You saw I
think it was Frankie Luvu in the NFC Championship game,
just doing the old school Troy Paulamalo just jump over
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the line of scrimmage like he looked like, who is
the WWF guy? Jimmy Superfly snook up, remember that guy
jumping off the top rope, and he was just like,
screw it, they're gonna score anyway. I'm going. I'm just going,
and I'm going to try and time the snap and
jump over the pile and see what happens. And at
one point it basically said like, if you do it again,
we're automatically giving him six points. So I mean that
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right there told me it's gonna be an issue at
the NFL owners meetings. I don't know what you do
about it.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
So okay, but if I put this to a player's vote,
not an owner's vote, what do you think the how
do you think the players would vote on keeping it
or getting rid of it?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I think you got four teams, Like Nick Sirianni said,
that was one of my favorite soundbites, is we have
four teams that should be voting to keep this play
in because that got three other coaches jobs Kellen Moore,
Stikeen and Rich and uh and Jonathan Gannon. So he's like,
those guys were all a part of it. Yeah, it
got us all first downs, it kept that Gannon's defense
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off the field, that got killing Moore of the job
in Nola. So I got four votes right there, and
I don't disagree with them. I think I think you
know he's spot on with that one.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
When you see cam Ward, do you see enough that
separates him from the other quarterbacking candidates? And if so,
what is that?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I see an X factor? I see that potential. And
there's always a guy, you know, every couple of years
in the draft where you when you see this extended
playmaking ability, you see something that just wows you and
it's there. He has it. Now it's about can you
manage this thing? Can you you know, can can we
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teach this guy? And mold this guy and trust our
coaches that we have to get him to go fifteen
play drives, multiple third down conversions, taking easy checkdowns, and
then when it's time to go on the phone booth,
throw on the Superman cape and come back out and
go be cam Ward and make the crazy fallen away.
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You know, sidearm whatever into traffic between two defenders, throw
on fourth down to win the game. Great, then go
ahead and do it, but it can't be every single play,
and that's not how the NFL is. You know, guys
get away with more and more, guys like Jayden Daniels
have a little more wiggle room then you know, maybe
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certain other players, and the game is shifting towards that.
You know, I think Mahomes really exploded that and expedited
that process, I guess, and was a catalyst for those
kind of off schedule plays. But you also have to
remember he got a ton of pub for that after
watching one of the most consistent quarterbacks in Alex Smith
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go through a West Coast system the right way and
and play it by the book. Operate the offense, put
the ball in play, protect the football, get completions, stack
your completions, and you know never go broke taking a profit,
however you want to say it. Whatever hits the kid's
brain to make them operate the right way. If somebody
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can get them to do that, you got to have
a lot of trust in your quarterback coach and your
offensive coordinator and somebody who's gonna be there forever. He's
not going to be able to do this with five
different coordinators in five years. Yeah, it's got to be
a long term plan, hopefully somewhere that has a great
veteran for him to watch. But I mean, the kid
has some electrifying plays, and you know, those are the
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kind of players that just and I've said it on
the show before that God, I wish I could roll
out of bed and do something like that. Man, And
it's all like I was a bad player. I was
pretty damn good. But you're just like, dude, I could
have never done that, And so it's you envy guys
like that. There's special talent.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Tim Hasselback, who played the position now NFL analysts for
the Mothership, did a player com for Shador Sanders and
he said he could see Kirk Cousins or Andy Dalton.
Is that a compliment to Shador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I would say it's it basically goes back to what
I was talking about, who can operate the offense. I mean,
those guys have had playoff appearances, those guys, uh you
know have have I believe won their division at least once.
You know it's it's it truly is a compliment. I
don't think I don't think it should be viewed another way.
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It's those guys can operate an offense. They can get
you down the field, They get the ball to the playmakers,
and they're the ultimate old school you know, uh point
guard that that plays defense, distributes the ball, has the
high shorts and slaps the floor when he plays defense.
You know what I mean. That's those are those guys
and that there's there's nothing wrong with that. That's just
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a different style. And as long as you're winning game,
nobody cares if you operate the offense. Well, you're scoring
your thirty plus points a game, nobody cares how you
do it. It's more fun, sure to watch the guy that
runs all over the place and it looks more like
a Madden Football game. That's great, but that's also really
hard to continue to play like that, and from an
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offensive coordinator's perspective. When you get up to the line
of scrimmage, they got a pretty good idea of where
this ball is gonna go. There's nothing more frustrating for
an offensive coordinator then get up to the line of
scrimmage and going, oh God, I don't know what this
guy's gonna do with the ball. That's like way too
much stress for a coach to go in and out
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of every game every drive, like, oh, boy, does he
understand what we're doing here? Like that guy's got to
know and he's got to know that, you know. So
I think those are compliments and I don't mind that camp.
I think I think Houseback does a good job breaking
stuff down.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
He's Mark Sanchez, Fox analyst and so, oh your brats.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
We're gonna get. Oh, here we go. Oh your bracket. Finally,
I'm doing well.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
How far you would show me baby pictures of the
twins as opposed to your brackets?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I got listen, Perry Mattfeld, Now, Sanchez, my wife is
an absolute superstar of a mom. Twin girls. We got
the weights in uh seven, two and five twelve for twins.
(10:34):
That's pretty big. And we knew she had this kind
of potential when we were scouting her in the draft
eight years ago, and she has far surpassed her draft
round status. Okay, but we knew with the right coaching
and the right system that she would develop from a
special teams type player making impact plays on special teams
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to now being a perennial All Pro and this is
going to be her first All Pro year as a mom.
I am thoroughly impressed. And it's been pretty cool. Man.
I'll send Fritzy some picture.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
How about a round of applause for Yeah, You're never
more proud of your wife than in the moment right.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Amen to that. I was blown away multiple times. I
just wanted to be like, I am so sorry. This
is partly my fault.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yes it is.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
It takes two to tango, but I am sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
But you led with your brackets though. So that's that's
not good.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Your wife, I hope, is not going to be made
aware of this that you led with your brackets, not
your big Oh no.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
She's also on a peacock show by the way, right now,
Long Bright River with Amanda Safreed. Okay, so she's in
that show. It's been it's it's gotten some pretty decent
reviews and I obviously enjoy it, but I'm biased.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So see a little plug in there for that's good.
You did your job. You did your job, and congratulate
your bracket.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
And the twins.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, and the twins in that order.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I'm my son, by the way, who you've met. He
wanted to name them fish and Chips, and so I
was like, no, we went with Francesca and Samantha. Okay,
Frankie and Sammy, frank Cake and Samburger, so okay. And
in Spanish it's really good. It's awesome. I love that one.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Are they going to be bilingual?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I hope so their dad is, yeah, I'm their dad.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Oh you're the dad. My bad, dang, my bad thought
of his liner?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Wow, Where where did did I say what I was thinking?
Fritzy right, too far, too far, fur coach, I apologize that.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Wow, Now I'm rooting for you in the bracket challenge.
Now now if I feel bad, now I got.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
It, simpathy good. You should feel bad. I should feel bad.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Uh. Congrats on the babies though, appreciate you man.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
And I got some new gear. So remember Nick Foles
and pad O'donald padd O'donald the punter with I was
with him with the Bears, and then Foles and I
were together with the Eagles. But he gave me. He
sent me a bunch of dad season gear and he's
got like a hat line and clothing line and uh
so it was pretty cool. She got a lot of
baby gifts, which she deserves as the mom going through everything.
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But I got a couple of things. That's I was like,
that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Uh, thank you, Mark. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Dolls would be good.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
We'll talk to that's Mark Sanchez. He's in second place
in our bracket challenge. Yeah, he wanted to talk about
his brackets, not his twin babies.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
There.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I can't believe I said what I was thinking out loud.
I'm better than that, Todd. That was rude. We should
have dumped that.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Yeah, I shouldn't have put that. The notes threw off.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You gotta you know, sometimes you got to keep them
on their toes, you know. All Right, we'll take a break.
We'll get phone calls coming up. Jerry Jones has something
to say about his his uh methodology when it comes
to signing his players. We'll have that for you. Coming up,
and uh, Christian Latner says something interesting. It's an interview
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that we did a couple of years ago, but he
talks about the importance of going into the NBA and
being surrounded by the right people. Because that goes back
to Cooper Flag. He can be great, the potential for great,
but if you go to a system where turnover, losing
is permeates, the locker room can have you know, it
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can be detrimental. So we'll have that for you coming
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Speaker 2 (16:13):
Coming up. We'll play the popular game in or Out.
You're either in or you're out. Jerry Jones, brilliant businessman,
was talking to the media at the NFL owners meetings
and he was talking about getting the Micah Parsons deal done.
Speaker 9 (16:30):
I don't view it as urgent at all. And you know,
some say, well, we're using the basis that they're early,
you get something done the cheaper. Whether early you get
something done, A lot of times the warm mistakes you mighty,
and you might want to see a few more cards play.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I know I'm kind of being a little defensive here.
Speaker 9 (16:52):
But the idea that the only success is getting a
contract done at an early time is incorrect, and I'd
rather pay more and get it right than i had
pay less and screw it up.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Okay, what's he waiting to see for Michaeh Parsons? What
were you waiting to see with CD Lamb? What were
you waiting to see with Dak Prescott? Now I get
it with some of the other players other positions, maybe
you want to see a little bit more. I'm a
big proponent of that. I said that about Kyler Murray.
I would want to see another season. I never would
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have extended Zeke Elliott. I never would have given this
contract to Dak Prescott. But if Jerry's saying, you know,
I've got to wait and see, okay, I would have
followed up. What exactly do you have to see from
Micah Parsons Unless it's you want to see more of
a leader, more maturity. Is he concerned about Michaeh Parsons
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wanting to be Draymond Green with his podcast? Okay? So
why did it take so long with Dak Prescott? Why
did it take so long with cdee Lamb? What were
you waiting to see? So I understand his business philosophy,
and the Cowboys are fool proof. You're going to make money.
You don't have to win. You're the Cowboys, You're worth
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ten billion dollars. But when it comes to if I'm
a Cowboy fan, you still want your owner to be
economically sound like what we're doing, and we're ahead of
the game. It feels like the Cowboys are behind the game.
And with those players. If those if you have your
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franchise quarterback, pay them. You have your franchise wide receiver,
then you pay them. You have your franchise defensive player,
the best player on your team, pay him. But if
you say you wait, you wait a little longer. Okay,
you could have gotten Micah Parsons probably for thirty five million. Now,
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granted maybe this doesn't mean anything to Jerry Jones. Now
you're going to have to pay probably forty two million dollars,
so that's seven million a year. I know the salary
CAP's going up, but you're still you're fighting off the
Eagles right now, and the Commanders are right on your heels.
This is your own division. There's no margin for error here.
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And that's why I think his philosophy is flawed when
it comes to your marquee players. If you're moving on
from them, then great, show me another year and maybe
I keep you, maybe I franchise you. But in this situation,
I don't know if the media said, what exactly are
you waiting to see? With Michaeh Parsons, he will be
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the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL. Not a
question of if, but when. Yeah, Paulin I kind of.
Speaker 10 (19:53):
Like the Jerry Jones does this because he kicks the
can down a year. Michaeh Parsons is going into year
five instead of getting contract after year three, it'll be
after you know, year five. And you know he was
second in Defensive Player of the Year two years ago,
third the year before. He was seventeenth last year. His
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careers cooled a little bit compared to what he was.
If you lock in now, if Michael Parsons slides a
little bit more, there's no way out for at least
three years.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Okay, but then don't extend him. Yeah, but if you
think he's slipping, then don't make him the highest paid
non quarterback in the NFL. Franchise him. Agree, that's it,
but Zeke Elliott, you brought him back at that position.
It doesn't make any sense. And Dak Prescott is not
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a marquee quarterback from the standpoint of boy, we're glad
we have him, not anymore, but you gave him the
biggest contract in NFL history. And it goes back to
what Dan Orlovsky said on the show last year. Or
it feels like Jerry loves the attention more than anything else.
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Winning is second to attention. And the more I see this,
he loves If he had the Micah Parsons steel done
a while ago, what would people be asking him about
the draft? I mean, he's constantly in the news, His
team's constantly in the news, and any morsel of cowboy information.
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Fox and ESPN are going to lead their shows with it,
just are and he loves that. But you also want
to build a winner. But he's gone thirty years without
having a Super Bowl team, which seemed unheard of. If
I said thirty years ago they won't get to an
NFC title game, you'd be like, there's no way that's possible.
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I mean, the odds were in their favor. And here
we are a couple other items here. Jed York is
the Niners owner, and he was talking about rock Perty's contract.
I don't know if he'd like to have some of
these comments back.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Yeah, I mean, we knew that we had to make
sacrifices around the roster to make sure that you can
pay quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Right, Like, it's just math.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
And I've been in situations where you have a great
roster and the quarterback isn't set and it's hard to
have sustained success. And we want to make sure that
Brock is a long term partner. We want to make
sure that he's a part of our team for a
long time. And it's a decision. I don't know exactly
when we made it, but it was somewhere in the
middle of the season, knowing that you can start negotiating
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at the end of the third year, and it's like,
all right, he's our guy, and if he's our guy,
you have.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
To know that and make those decisions. And that's where
we are right now. Okay, it feels like they had
to make decisions now because we have to pay this guy,
and that's not fair. Because you've got Rock Purty basically
for free, and he helped you build a roster that
your coaching staff didn't capitalize on. Also, brock Perty helped
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you make up for the embarrassment of drafting Trey Lance
and going up to get Trey Lance. Rock Purdy has
been a savior for the forty nine ers when you
think about it. And no, they didn't win a Super Bowl,
and they're not going to win a Super Bowl. But
Rock Perdy lived up to his end of the bar,
more than lived up to his end of the bargain,
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and now you got to pay. Now, should he be
the highest paid quarterback? No, But if I'm his agent,
I go, well why not? I would hope that you
would say, let's get something that makes the most sense
for the team and your success. Whether he buys into
that or not, I don't know.
Speaker 11 (23:51):
Yes, Eton there is, at least from the article I'm
looking at now, that's a couple weeks old, to be fair.
But they had at that time, they had fifteen players.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I know it's gone up since then. They had fifteen.
Speaker 11 (24:05):
Players who were traded, released, or just left as free agents,
and that money totaled up to about three hundred and
forty million dollars. Now they've since brought in about ten
players at least says at the time of this article,
brought in ten players and that was worth about forty
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Oh wow, Wow.
Speaker 11 (24:23):
That is a they have something like in that there's
something like four million dollars in guaranteed money. That is
a drastic difference, not only in the monetary value, but
I'm gonna guess the caliber of player that you're bringing into.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
But also this is a franchise that brought back Brandon
Ayukan gave him thirty million dollars a year. Trent Williams
is a Hall of famery, makes a lot of money.
Christian McCaffrey may never be the same. He gets a
lot of money. They have spent money, and they spent
money to try to win a Super Bowl. Rock Perty
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helped them be able to spend money to try to
win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 11 (25:03):
Yes, if you were to guess right now, do you
think brock Perdy's career from this point on will get better.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Or worse worse? Yeah, got rid of debo. They I
think they put themselves in salary cap hell with Brandon
Nyuk's contract that they can't trade him. How much longer
does Williams play? George Kittle? How long does he play McCaffrey,
How long does he play? And then you got to
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go out and find those guys. Well, you have to
find those guys. And you also have a quarterback making
fifty five million dollars a year.
Speaker 11 (25:37):
And other than you know, I mean he's played well obviously, yes,
but I don't know what that part of the skill
set is that it's like, can't lose that, can't lose that,
you know what I mean that brock Purty has. If
you're talking about Lamar Jackson, you're like, all right, pay
that dude. I get it, one hundred percent. Look at
what he's doing. There's a million other quarterbacks though maybe
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not a million, but many other quarterbacks that you're like, obviously,
pay him. I don't know what brock Purty has. That
is that thing that you put your finger on that
it's like, we absolutely cannot lose that.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Give him his money and his might be intangibles because
my source who's a scout, said he can't make those
throws to the numbers like that. That's not his strength.
And you have to be able to make those throws. Now,
if you don't have those receivers who can create some separation,
that makes it a lot more difficult for brock Purty
to lead your team. If McCaffrey is not McCaffrey. Okay,
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now you don't have that safety valve. There is your
defense going to be formidable. But keep this in mind.
This coaching staff and your GM went all in on
Trey Lance and they survived that. That's how you get fired.
They survived that because they got brock Purty. They fell
into brock Purty. Brock Purty save them. He's going to
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get paid. He deserves to get paid. But he might
be in that Dak Prescott mode of he's a good player,
do I want him as my franchise quarterback. That's where
it's open to interpretation. He might be a Kirk Cousins
kind of quarterback or Andy Dalton kind of quarterback where
you throw for two hundred and fifty touchdown passes in
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your career, you make the playoffs a few times, you
go to a super Bowl. Well, although Dalton and you
know Kirk didn't. But maybe that's the kind of quarterback
he's going to be. But the other part, maybe you know,
pretty cool under pressure, the intangibles that come with play
in that position.
Speaker 10 (27:33):
Yeah, welly party is an example of the timing when
your contract is up, it really helps you or hurt you.
Two years ago, when the Niners were fully assembled, brock
perty was twelve and four, forty two hundred yards, thirty
one touchdowns, eleven picks. Great fourth in the MVP voty.
Last year he was six and nine as a starter.
They were injury riddled, twenty touchdowns and twelve picks. Which
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guy are you getting going forward?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You might get sort of a combo platter there. Here's
the thing. If brock Purty was taken in the first round,
we wouldn't have this discussion. He was the last pick
of the draft. He was mister irrelevant. You're gonna pay
him fifty five million if he's taken in the first round.
If he's taken where mac Jones was taken, we don't
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have this discussion. You're just going to accept that brock
Purty is a good quarterback. Yeah, pullman.
Speaker 10 (28:24):
Quick question for the room. Answer whichever you want. Who
would you give a full voat contract to. You have
to pick one or the other for the next five years.
Rock Purty or Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 12 (28:35):
Todd, I'm gonna take brock Purty. See Rock Purty, Marv
rock Purty, Paul.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Lawrence. That long pause.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Though, Well, they've already signed up Trevor Lawrence. But if
you're saying they were both up right now, I would
take Trevor Lawrence. But I it's not a ringing endorsement.
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But you have the first pick of the draft and
the last pick.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Of the draft.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, that's interesting question. All right, Uh, we'll play inter
out coming up here in a moment. Rich In Athens, Hi, Rich,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Hey?
Speaker 13 (29:23):
Dan, great to talk with you, as always, sitting here
with my puppy dog, Fritzy, watching the DP show. Earlier,
you guys were talking about the best players in each
of the four major sports. I think the seven eight
season would rival probably most sports years. You've got Kobe MVP,
You've got Peyton the Super Bowl winner and MVP. You've
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got Pouholtz MVP. You got Sidney Crosby MVP, and if
you want a bonus, we've got Walter Ray Williams Junior,
the third the best professional bowler with an average of
two twenty eight point three four.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Thank you, Rich, It's well done. There a little bonus coverage.
Rich sitting by with his puppy, Fritzy. Hopefully he's hound strained.
Mike and Wisconsin joining us on the program.
Speaker 14 (30:14):
I Mike Man, I'm an MVP topic.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So the NFL, NHL, NBA, they all have one m
VP for the season.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
I guess I'm curious. I don't know if you are
the boys, if you.
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Know the history or reasoning behind why the MLB they
have two they have one AL and one NL.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Uh, I don't know, but they were separate back then.
They're you know, not interleague play when they first started this.
But yeah, I don't know why they decided, Like the
NFL having the NFC AFC m vps, they don't do that.
But I don't I don't know. Maybe there's an article
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on that, yeah, Pauling.
Speaker 10 (30:57):
According to Baseball Almanac, it goes back to the AL
and NL being drastically separate one hundred years ago. The
business model who ran it, the fact that they didn't
play each other, there's no interleague play. It was kind
of obvious back then.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
They say Anthony in La Hi, Anthony.
Speaker 14 (31:13):
A DP a blue blue for that liner comment. I mean,
that's that's why you guys are the best. You know,
That's that's when you're in the man cave and you
got your buddies around, you know, going back a couple
of studs. You know, that's what you fall into, you know,
and and you guys are awesome. But I was dying
lacked and driving driving the word withsten of that. But yeah,
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as far as as far as all the four major
athletes in all the sports, you know, there used to
be a cartoon that I used to watch when I
was a kid, and I think it was called Pro
Stars or All Stars, and I had Bo Jackson, Michael Jordan,
Wayne Gretzky, and I don't know if they had a
baseball player, but I if I'm not wrong, of my years,
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maybe like a Ken Griffy or Frank Thomas. I'm not
sure if so years matchup.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, I'd have to look at that. But Bo wasn't
the best player in his sport. Bo was Bo, Bo
is the best athlete, but he wasn't the best player
in his in either sport. I'm still that it's mind
boggling that Jim Harbaugh had more rushing yards than Bo
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Jackson in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I love that. I love that. Let me take a break.
We come back, we'll play in or Out and we'll
hear from Christian Latner on what it's like to go
to a team that maybe doesn't have a good infrastructure
and how your success hinges on that when you go
to the NBA.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Back after this, be sure to catch the live edition
of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern
six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
We're going to play in or Out in a moment.
Christian Latner was on the show, and I don't know
what year this was, Marvin, but we were talking about
he got drafted, he was the best player in college basketball.
He went to Minnesota and that was a dysfunctional franchise.
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So he was on the show in twenty nineteen and
he had this to say about being great in college
and then trying to be great in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
The general public and maybe the media don't realize.
Speaker 15 (33:28):
How good the professional athletes are and how many beasts
there are in the NFL and how many beasts there
are in the NBA. If I didn't do as good
in the NBA as people thought I could have done
or should have done. Then you have to chalk it
up to being on a great team at Duke, in
a great system. I'll be the first to tell you
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that I'm a system player. I need a strong coach.
I need a good program, a good system to have
my most success. And it only happens in bad when
you're surrounded by other good players. Even Lebron James can't
do it by himself on the Lakers. I've seen Michael
Jordan and Scottie Pippen not be able to do it,
the two of them on the Bulls.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
So you have to be surrounded by a good team.
Speaker 15 (34:14):
And then don't forget how good and how many beasts
there are in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
And yes, it's harder in the NBA. And if I didn't.
Speaker 15 (34:23):
Win in the NBA as much as I did in college,
and if I didn't have the same numbers, it's because
there's more Charles Oakley and David Robinson and Anthony Mason
and all these monsters, and it does make it harder.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
It's a great point and it's a great reminder. You
look at success and you look at failure, and sometimes
it can be you're going to a team that has
turnover at the coaching position, offensive coordinator, your ownership, so
you have a lot of things in play there, and
then what kind of teammates, what kind of talent are
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you walking into. I make the case all the time
with Patrick Mahomes, he went into the ideal situation. Perfect.
They were already a playoff team, you had a Hall
of Fame coach, you had a great GM, and it
was plug and play after one year. Now Mahomes took
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it to another level, into a different stratosphere. But he
got the opportunity as opposed to go back to Troy
Aikman with the Cowboys. He won one game his rookie year.
They weren't good, but he did have the right coach
and at the time we thought the right owner and
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they were able to build. I mean, Jimmy Johnson was
a genius what he could do in the draft trades
and then on the field in coaching. But Russell Wilson
goes into an ideal situation. They don't even know what
they have with him. They had spent money in the
free agency Matt Flynn, they brought him in from Green
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Bay and then all of a sudden Russ is there.
I got beast mode. I got some better than average receivers,
good offensive line in a great defense, and a Hall
of fame coach. It works. Now there are guys who
are bigger and better than the system that they can
stand out. They can make a team better that maybe
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is not they're not as good as they appear, but
that person makes them better. You know, Lebron did that
with the Cavaliers. He dragged them to the NBA Finals.
They had, you know upheaval with coaching, didn't have a
great roster, but Lebron was Lebron. You know, even Michael.
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When Michael got to the Bulls, they weren't winning. They
started to win, but that's only because Michael realized I
can get thirty five a night. But what's it mean?
The great ones are, you know, measured in championships and
Mike at one point was the fifth or sixth highest
paid player on the Bulls. That's what happens. Brady understood
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that without a great roster, it doesn't matter. I mean,
you got a Hall of Fame coach, you had a
great owner, hall of fame owner, and then you had
an infrastructure that was plug and play and then you
had Tom. You have to have that. But Latner's right.
Laightner wasn't a bust. He just went to a team
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where he had to do more, and he wasn't capable
of doing more. All right, Paully, Time to play the
popular game, sweeping the nation, or at least just this
man cave in or out? You recapt the rules in
You're either in or you're out.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
I'm out.
Speaker 8 (37:44):
There's that out. Okay.
Speaker 10 (37:46):
So if you agree with the statement, say I'm in
or I'm out in that fashion, I'm gonna throw this
in one Bo Jackson. Let's say he could have stayed healthy.
I would be more curious to see what he have
done in baseball than in football.
Speaker 12 (38:00):
I'll go first, I'm in, In, Todd, I'm out, Seton,
I'm out, Marvin, I'm out. I'm out.
Speaker 10 (38:10):
We saw his greatness as a running back in college.
I never saw him play baseball in college, and only
a little bit in the pros. I can't imagine if
he had stayed healthy what he had done as a
baseball player full time.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Here we go for this upcoming season.
Speaker 10 (38:24):
I would take Patrick Mahomes as the quarterback of my
team over any other quarterback of the sport.
Speaker 11 (38:28):
Todd out Seaton, just Patrick Mahomes or is it the
like coordinators system that comes with him?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Just Patrick? I'm out, Marvin, I'm out. I'm out.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (38:44):
The Dodgers will break the record for wins in a
regular season one sixteen.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Todd in, Seaton out, Marvin in out.
Speaker 10 (38:54):
Steph Curry will never play for another NBA team.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Todd Yeah, Seatan and Marv I'm in.
Speaker 10 (39:05):
In six months, torpedo bats will be a non factor,
non story.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Todd in, Seatan out, Marv in out.
Speaker 10 (39:17):
You're my two favorites. I don't understand how players like
Cooper flag reclassify and thus skip their final year of
high school. I don't know how that happens. How do
you just skip your last year of high school?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You probably have to take certain courses.
Speaker 8 (39:33):
Do you start as like a sophomore junior? Extra courses?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I you're asking the wrong guy. It's probably a little
earlier than that. Okay, yeah, I had a problem just
doing the regular course load.
Speaker 10 (39:46):
You know, is that eligible to anyone to do? Like
could if you're not a duke recruit?
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Sure? Oh?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
I mean you have kids who are geniuses who go
right to college.
Speaker 10 (39:55):
I guess what I mean, civilians. I don't like Cooper
cup I don't are Cooper a flag. I don't know
his academic I just don't nderstand the process.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
You just take extra class so you get a ged.
Speaker 11 (40:04):
Yeah, A lot of the kids that my school, my
son goes to school with reclass and it's like very
much part of the process of if you're an athlete
and you plan on playing at a higher level, are
you either going to reclass or are you going to
do a post grad year?
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Which is it?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, you do a gap year. That's big in basketball.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
The final one of In and Out?
Speaker 10 (40:24):
Okay, If I were in the movie Top Gun, like
why one of the fly boys, I would have prefer
to fly with Iceman over Maverick.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Okay, Todd out? You want to be with Tom Cruis
non Don Kilmore okay, Uh, Paul Seaton totally in Marvin
uh In?
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (40:44):
Ask Goose?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah yeah wow.
Speaker 8 (40:47):
That's the point to So you gotta take care of reckless.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
And Meg Ryan. Once again, Meg Ryan has come up
a couple of times the Doors and uh, Tom Gun,
she might.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
Be underrated in or Out? Meg Ryan underrated?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Hotness, Oh hotness, hotness. Oh do you see the presidio?
Speaker 8 (41:05):
No scalding hot?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, Todd, Yeah, she's underrated. Okay, really cute yeah, because
she's cute. Cute, she's not hot. Yeah, it's more cute
than hot and probably Marvin.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
She was great in Top Gun though Harry met Sally.
She was awesome.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
You've got me?
Speaker 6 (41:24):
She was good.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Oh yeah, but she was America's sweetheart
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Our two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Edge Dan Patrick Show.
Friend of the show, former quarterback Mark Sanchez will join us.
Coming up, we'll play in or Out. Mike Florio will
recap the NFL owner's meetings, and I need a recap
here because I'm still not quite sure exactly what was past.
I know a few things were tabled. One of the
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things tabled the tush push, and I guess they're going
to bring it up pro vote again in May. But
the Eagles owner Jeffrey Lorie had this to say about
the play.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
My health and safety is the most important thing when
evaluating any play. We've been very open to whatever data
exists on the tush push, and you know, there's just
been no data that shows that it isn't a very
very safe play. If it weren't, we wouldn't be pushing
the tush push. First of all, it's a precision, it's
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very practiced. We think we have an unusual use of
personnel because we have a quarterback that can squad over
six hundred pounds and an offensive line that's filled with
all pro players. That combination with incredible detailed coaching with
coach Statland has created a play we can be very
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successful at.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yes, I mean that's that's the right answer. There's no
statistic or no health data involved in this. They keep
looking for it. There's nothing there. It's just just it's
a play that nobody can stop and it's not esthetically pleasing.
The NFL hates that. It's just like the extra point.
(01:44):
Nobody's going to stop it. Not esthetically pleasing. Now let's
move it back a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I'm interested, but I think Jeffrey Laurie is fighting for
his team, and rightfully so. NFL Draft will be at
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watching on Peacock or those listening on our radio affiliates
around the country. He's Mark Sanchez, by the way, in
second place in our March Madness Bracket Challenge behind Johnny Bench.
He's ahead of Jim Parsons, Joey v Otto and Brady Quinn.
Mark Joints is on the program. Do you know what
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happened at the NFL owner's meetings.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
That's a very good question. I've heard soundbites from different outlets,
but I've also been knee deep and some brand new
children here. So I told Fritzy last night that wasn't
well abreast of everything in the NFL these last weeks
or so. But listen, you know they always get together
(03:01):
to discuss these kind of rules and what are we
going to change? Last year the kickoff, Now the kickoff's
changing a little bit more, you know. Regardless, it always
seems that and I never really had an issue with
this as an offensive player, but the hashes are narrower
for a reason. You know, you want the offense in
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the middle of the field. You want high scoring games,
you want exciting plays. When something becomes a competitive advantage
or a detriment to players health where you know, I
still haven't found any data for that either. I haven't
done a deep dive on the toush push, but it
doesn't seem like players are getting carted off the field
on a regular basis because of the play. So I
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don't know what you do with that. I do know
it is nearly impossible, and I don't hear many many
people talking about this. It's nearly impossible to officiate. I mean,
where's the line of scrimmage? You know? You saw I
think it was Frankie Luvu in the NFC Championship game,
just doing the old school Troy Paulamalo just jump over
(04:05):
the line of scrimmage like he looked like, who is
the WWF guy? Jimmy Superfly snook up, remember that guy
jumping off the top rope, and he was just like,
screw it, they're gonna score anyway. I'm going. I'm just going,
and I'm going to try and time the snap and
jump over the pile and see what happens. And at
one point it basically said like, if you do it again,
we're automatically giving him six points. So I mean that
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right there told me it's gonna be an issue at
the NFL owners meetings. I don't know what you do
about it.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
So okay, but if I put this to a player's vote,
not an owner's vote, what do you think the how
do you think the players would vote on keeping it
or getting rid of it?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I think you got four teams, Like Nick Sirianni said,
that was one of my favorite soundbites, is we have
four teams that should be voting to keep this play
in because that got three other coaches jobs Kellen Moore,
Stikeen and Rich and uh and Jonathan Gannon. So he's like,
those guys were all a part of it. Yeah, it
got us all first downs, it kept that Gannon's defense
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off the field, that got killing Moore of the job
in Nola. So I got four votes right there, and
I don't disagree with them. I think I think you
know he's spot on with that one.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
When you see cam Ward, do you see enough that
separates him from the other quarterbacking candidates? And if so,
what is that?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I see an X factor? I see that potential. And
there's always a guy, you know, every couple of years
in the draft where you when you see this extended
playmaking ability, you see something that just wows you and
it's there. He has it. Now it's about can you
manage this thing? Can you you know, can can we
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teach this guy? And mold this guy and trust our
coaches that we have to get him to go fifteen
play drives, multiple third down conversions, taking easy checkdowns, and
then when it's time to go on the phone booth,
throw on the Superman cape and come back out and
go be cam Ward and make the crazy fallen away.
(06:15):
You know, sidearm whatever into traffic between two defenders, throw
on fourth down to win the game. Great, then go
ahead and do it, but it can't be every single play,
and that's not how the NFL is. You know, guys
get away with more and more, guys like Jayden Daniels
have a little more wiggle room then you know, maybe
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certain other players, and the game is shifting towards that.
You know, I think Mahomes really exploded that and expedited
that process, I guess, and was a catalyst for those
kind of off schedule plays. But you also have to
remember he got a ton of pub for that after
watching one of the most consistent quarterbacks in Alex Smith
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go through a West Coast system the right way and
and play it by the book. Operate the offense, put
the ball in play, protect the football, get completions, stack
your completions, and you know never go broke taking a profit,
however you want to say it. Whatever hits the kid's
brain to make them operate the right way. If somebody
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can get them to do that, you got to have
a lot of trust in your quarterback coach and your
offensive coordinator and somebody who's gonna be there forever. He's
not going to be able to do this with five
different coordinators in five years. Yeah, it's got to be
a long term plan, hopefully somewhere that has a great
veteran for him to watch. But I mean, the kid
has some electrifying plays, and you know, those are the
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kind of players that just and I've said it on
the show before that God, I wish I could roll
out of bed and do something like that. Man, And
it's all like I was a bad player. I was
pretty damn good. But you're just like, dude, I could
have never done that, And so it's you envy guys
like that. There's special talent.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Tim Hasselback, who played the position now NFL analysts for
the Mothership, did a player com for Shador Sanders and
he said he could see Kirk Cousins or Andy Dalton.
Is that a compliment to Shador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I would say it's it basically goes back to what
I was talking about, who can operate the offense. I mean,
those guys have had playoff appearances, those guys, uh you
know have have I believe won their division at least once.
You know it's it's it truly is a compliment. I
don't think I don't think it should be viewed another way.
(08:37):
It's those guys can operate an offense. They can get
you down the field, They get the ball to the playmakers,
and they're the ultimate old school you know, uh point
guard that that plays defense, distributes the ball, has the
high shorts and slaps the floor when he plays defense.
You know what I mean. That's those are those guys
and that there's there's nothing wrong with that. That's just
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a different style. And as long as you're winning game,
nobody cares if you operate the offense. Well, you're scoring
your thirty plus points a game, nobody cares how you
do it. It's more fun, sure to watch the guy that
runs all over the place and it looks more like
a Madden Football game. That's great, but that's also really
hard to continue to play like that, and from an
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offensive coordinator's perspective. When you get up to the line
of scrimmage, they got a pretty good idea of where
this ball is gonna go. There's nothing more frustrating for
an offensive coordinator then get up to the line of
scrimmage and going, oh God, I don't know what this
guy's gonna do with the ball. That's like way too
much stress for a coach to go in and out
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of every game every drive, like, oh, boy, does he
understand what we're doing here? Like that guy's got to
know and he's got to know that, you know. So
I think those are compliments and I don't mind that camp.
I think I think Houseback does a good job breaking
stuff down.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
He's Mark Sanchez, Fox analyst and so, oh your brats.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
We're gonna get. Oh, here we go. Oh your bracket. Finally,
I'm doing well.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
How far you would show me baby pictures of the
twins as opposed to your brackets?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I got listen, Perry Mattfeld, Now, Sanchez, my wife is
an absolute superstar of a mom. Twin girls. We got
the weights in uh seven, two and five twelve for twins.
(10:34):
That's pretty big. And we knew she had this kind
of potential when we were scouting her in the draft
eight years ago, and she has far surpassed her draft
round status. Okay, but we knew with the right coaching
and the right system that she would develop from a
special teams type player making impact plays on special teams
(10:56):
to now being a perennial All Pro and this is
going to be her first All Pro year as a mom.
I am thoroughly impressed. And it's been pretty cool. Man.
I'll send Fritzy some picture.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
How about a round of applause for Yeah, You're never
more proud of your wife than in the moment right.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Amen to that. I was blown away multiple times. I
just wanted to be like, I am so sorry. This
is partly my fault.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yes it is.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
It takes two to tango, but I am sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
But you led with your brackets though. So that's that's
not good.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Your wife, I hope, is not going to be made
aware of this that you led with your brackets, not
your big Oh no.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
She's also on a peacock show by the way, right now,
Long Bright River with Amanda Safreed. Okay, so she's in
that show. It's been it's it's gotten some pretty decent
reviews and I obviously enjoy it, but I'm biased.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So see a little plug in there for that's good.
You did your job. You did your job, and congratulate
your bracket.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
And the twins.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, and the twins in that order.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I'm my son, by the way, who you've met. He
wanted to name them fish and Chips, and so I
was like, no, we went with Francesca and Samantha. Okay,
Frankie and Sammy, frank Cake and Samburger, so okay. And
in Spanish it's really good. It's awesome. I love that one.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Are they going to be bilingual?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I hope so their dad is, yeah, I'm their dad.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Oh you're the dad. My bad, dang, my bad thought
of his liner?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Wow, Where where did did I say what I was thinking?
Fritzy right, too far, too far, fur coach, I apologize that.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Wow, Now I'm rooting for you in the bracket challenge.
Now now if I feel bad, now I got.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
It, simpathy good. You should feel bad. I should feel bad.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Uh. Congrats on the babies though, appreciate you man.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
And I got some new gear. So remember Nick Foles
and pad O'donald padd O'donald the punter with I was
with him with the Bears, and then Foles and I
were together with the Eagles. But he gave me. He
sent me a bunch of dad season gear and he's
got like a hat line and clothing line and uh
so it was pretty cool. She got a lot of
baby gifts, which she deserves as the mom going through everything.
(13:41):
But I got a couple of things. That's I was like,
that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Uh, thank you, Mark. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Dolls would be good.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
We'll talk to that's Mark Sanchez. He's in second place
in our bracket challenge. Yeah, he wanted to talk about
his brackets, not his twin babies.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
There.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I can't believe I said what I was thinking out loud.
I'm better than that, Todd. That was rude. We should
have dumped that.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Yeah, I shouldn't have put that. The notes threw off.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You gotta you know, sometimes you got to keep them
on their toes, you know. All Right, we'll take a break.
We'll get phone calls coming up. Jerry Jones has something
to say about his his uh methodology when it comes
to signing his players. We'll have that for you. Coming up,
and uh, Christian Latner says something interesting. It's an interview
(14:36):
that we did a couple of years ago, but he
talks about the importance of going into the NBA and
being surrounded by the right people. Because that goes back
to Cooper Flag. He can be great, the potential for great,
but if you go to a system where turnover, losing
is permeates, the locker room can have you know, it
(14:58):
can be detrimental. So we'll have that for you coming
up as well. Back after this on the Dan Patrick Show.
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Cavino and Rich.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Coming up. We'll play the popular game in or Out.
You're either in or you're out. Jerry Jones, brilliant businessman,
was talking to the media at the NFL owners meetings
and he was talking about getting the Micah Parsons deal done.
Speaker 9 (16:30):
I don't view it as urgent at all. And you know,
some say, well, we're using the basis that they're early,
you get something done the cheaper. Whether early you get
something done, A lot of times the warm mistakes you mighty,
and you might want to see a few more cards play.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I know I'm kind of being a little defensive here.
Speaker 9 (16:52):
But the idea that the only success is getting a
contract done at an early time is incorrect, and I'd
rather pay more and get it right than i had
pay less and screw it up.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Okay, what's he waiting to see for Michaeh Parsons? What
were you waiting to see with CD Lamb? What were
you waiting to see with Dak Prescott? Now I get
it with some of the other players other positions, maybe
you want to see a little bit more. I'm a
big proponent of that. I said that about Kyler Murray.
I would want to see another season. I never would
(17:35):
have extended Zeke Elliott. I never would have given this
contract to Dak Prescott. But if Jerry's saying, you know,
I've got to wait and see, okay, I would have
followed up. What exactly do you have to see from
Micah Parsons Unless it's you want to see more of
a leader, more maturity. Is he concerned about Michaeh Parsons
(17:58):
wanting to be Draymond Green with his podcast? Okay? So
why did it take so long with Dak Prescott? Why
did it take so long with cdee Lamb? What were
you waiting to see? So I understand his business philosophy,
and the Cowboys are fool proof. You're going to make money.
You don't have to win. You're the Cowboys, You're worth
(18:19):
ten billion dollars. But when it comes to if I'm
a Cowboy fan, you still want your owner to be
economically sound like what we're doing, and we're ahead of
the game. It feels like the Cowboys are behind the game.
And with those players. If those if you have your
(18:39):
franchise quarterback, pay them. You have your franchise wide receiver,
then you pay them. You have your franchise defensive player,
the best player on your team, pay him. But if
you say you wait, you wait a little longer. Okay,
you could have gotten Micah Parsons probably for thirty five million. Now,
(19:00):
granted maybe this doesn't mean anything to Jerry Jones. Now
you're going to have to pay probably forty two million dollars,
so that's seven million a year. I know the salary
CAP's going up, but you're still you're fighting off the
Eagles right now, and the Commanders are right on your heels.
This is your own division. There's no margin for error here.
(19:23):
And that's why I think his philosophy is flawed when
it comes to your marquee players. If you're moving on
from them, then great, show me another year and maybe
I keep you, maybe I franchise you. But in this situation,
I don't know if the media said, what exactly are
you waiting to see? With Michaeh Parsons, he will be
(19:45):
the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL. Not a
question of if, but when. Yeah, Paulin I kind of.
Speaker 10 (19:53):
Like the Jerry Jones does this because he kicks the
can down a year. Michaeh Parsons is going into year
five instead of getting contract after year three, it'll be
after you know, year five. And you know he was
second in Defensive Player of the Year two years ago,
third the year before. He was seventeenth last year. His
(20:13):
careers cooled a little bit compared to what he was.
If you lock in now, if Michael Parsons slides a
little bit more, there's no way out for at least
three years.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Okay, but then don't extend him. Yeah, but if you
think he's slipping, then don't make him the highest paid
non quarterback in the NFL. Franchise him. Agree, that's it,
but Zeke Elliott, you brought him back at that position.
It doesn't make any sense. And Dak Prescott is not
(20:43):
a marquee quarterback from the standpoint of boy, we're glad
we have him, not anymore, but you gave him the
biggest contract in NFL history. And it goes back to
what Dan Orlovsky said on the show last year. Or
it feels like Jerry loves the attention more than anything else.
(21:05):
Winning is second to attention. And the more I see this,
he loves If he had the Micah Parsons steel done
a while ago, what would people be asking him about
the draft? I mean, he's constantly in the news, His
team's constantly in the news, and any morsel of cowboy information.
(21:31):
Fox and ESPN are going to lead their shows with it,
just are and he loves that. But you also want
to build a winner. But he's gone thirty years without
having a Super Bowl team, which seemed unheard of. If
I said thirty years ago they won't get to an
NFC title game, you'd be like, there's no way that's possible.
(21:55):
I mean, the odds were in their favor. And here
we are a couple other items here. Jed York is
the Niners owner, and he was talking about rock Perty's contract.
I don't know if he'd like to have some of
these comments back.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Yeah, I mean, we knew that we had to make
sacrifices around the roster to make sure that you can
pay quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Right, Like, it's just math.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
And I've been in situations where you have a great
roster and the quarterback isn't set and it's hard to
have sustained success. And we want to make sure that
Brock is a long term partner. We want to make
sure that he's a part of our team for a
long time. And it's a decision. I don't know exactly
when we made it, but it was somewhere in the
middle of the season, knowing that you can start negotiating
(22:42):
at the end of the third year, and it's like,
all right, he's our guy, and if he's our guy,
you have.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
To know that and make those decisions. And that's where
we are right now. Okay, it feels like they had
to make decisions now because we have to pay this guy,
and that's not fair. Because you've got Rock Purty basically
for free, and he helped you build a roster that
your coaching staff didn't capitalize on. Also, brock Perty helped
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you make up for the embarrassment of drafting Trey Lance
and going up to get Trey Lance. Rock Purdy has
been a savior for the forty nine ers when you
think about it. And no, they didn't win a Super Bowl,
and they're not going to win a Super Bowl. But
Rock Perdy lived up to his end of the bar,
more than lived up to his end of the bargain,
(23:29):
and now you got to pay. Now, should he be
the highest paid quarterback? No, But if I'm his agent,
I go, well why not? I would hope that you
would say, let's get something that makes the most sense
for the team and your success. Whether he buys into
that or not, I don't know.
Speaker 11 (23:51):
Yes, Eton there is, at least from the article I'm
looking at now, that's a couple weeks old, to be fair.
But they had at that time, they had fifteen players.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I know it's gone up since then. They had fifteen.
Speaker 11 (24:05):
Players who were traded, released, or just left as free agents,
and that money totaled up to about three hundred and
forty million dollars. Now they've since brought in about ten
players at least says at the time of this article,
brought in ten players and that was worth about forty
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Oh wow, Wow.
Speaker 11 (24:23):
That is a they have something like in that there's
something like four million dollars in guaranteed money. That is
a drastic difference, not only in the monetary value, but
I'm gonna guess the caliber of player that you're bringing into.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
But also this is a franchise that brought back Brandon
Ayukan gave him thirty million dollars a year. Trent Williams
is a Hall of famery, makes a lot of money.
Christian McCaffrey may never be the same. He gets a
lot of money. They have spent money, and they spent
money to try to win a Super Bowl. Rock Perty
(24:59):
helped them be able to spend money to try to
win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 11 (25:03):
Yes, if you were to guess right now, do you
think brock Perdy's career from this point on will get better.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Or worse worse? Yeah, got rid of debo. They I
think they put themselves in salary cap hell with Brandon
Nyuk's contract that they can't trade him. How much longer
does Williams play? George Kittle? How long does he play McCaffrey,
How long does he play? And then you got to
(25:30):
go out and find those guys. Well, you have to
find those guys. And you also have a quarterback making
fifty five million dollars a year.
Speaker 11 (25:37):
And other than you know, I mean he's played well obviously, yes,
but I don't know what that part of the skill
set is that it's like, can't lose that, can't lose that,
you know what I mean that brock Purty has. If
you're talking about Lamar Jackson, you're like, all right, pay
that dude. I get it, one hundred percent. Look at
what he's doing. There's a million other quarterbacks though maybe
(25:58):
not a million, but many other quarterbacks that you're like, obviously,
pay him. I don't know what brock Purty has. That
is that thing that you put your finger on that
it's like, we absolutely cannot lose that.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Give him his money and his might be intangibles because
my source who's a scout, said he can't make those
throws to the numbers like that. That's not his strength.
And you have to be able to make those throws. Now,
if you don't have those receivers who can create some separation,
that makes it a lot more difficult for brock Purty
to lead your team. If McCaffrey is not McCaffrey. Okay,
(26:32):
now you don't have that safety valve. There is your
defense going to be formidable. But keep this in mind.
This coaching staff and your GM went all in on
Trey Lance and they survived that. That's how you get fired.
They survived that because they got brock Purty. They fell
into brock Purty. Brock Purty save them. He's going to
(26:55):
get paid. He deserves to get paid. But he might
be in that Dak Prescott mode of he's a good player,
do I want him as my franchise quarterback. That's where
it's open to interpretation. He might be a Kirk Cousins
kind of quarterback or Andy Dalton kind of quarterback where
you throw for two hundred and fifty touchdown passes in
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your career, you make the playoffs a few times, you
go to a super Bowl. Well, although Dalton and you
know Kirk didn't. But maybe that's the kind of quarterback
he's going to be. But the other part, maybe you know,
pretty cool under pressure, the intangibles that come with play
in that position.
Speaker 10 (27:33):
Yeah, welly party is an example of the timing when
your contract is up, it really helps you or hurt you.
Two years ago, when the Niners were fully assembled, brock
perty was twelve and four, forty two hundred yards, thirty
one touchdowns, eleven picks. Great fourth in the MVP voty.
Last year he was six and nine as a starter.
They were injury riddled, twenty touchdowns and twelve picks. Which
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guy are you getting going forward?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You might get sort of a combo platter there. Here's
the thing. If brock Purty was taken in the first round,
we wouldn't have this discussion. He was the last pick
of the draft. He was mister irrelevant. You're gonna pay
him fifty five million if he's taken in the first round.
If he's taken where mac Jones was taken, we don't
(28:17):
have this discussion. You're just going to accept that brock
Purty is a good quarterback. Yeah, pullman.
Speaker 10 (28:24):
Quick question for the room. Answer whichever you want. Who
would you give a full voat contract to. You have
to pick one or the other for the next five years.
Rock Purty or Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 12 (28:35):
Todd, I'm gonna take brock Purty. See Rock Purty, Marv
rock Purty, Paul.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Lawrence. That long pause.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Though, Well, they've already signed up Trevor Lawrence. But if
you're saying they were both up right now, I would
take Trevor Lawrence. But I it's not a ringing endorsement.
(29:08):
But you have the first pick of the draft and
the last pick.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Of the draft.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, that's interesting question. All right, Uh, we'll play inter
out coming up here in a moment. Rich In Athens, Hi, Rich,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Hey?
Speaker 13 (29:23):
Dan, great to talk with you, as always, sitting here
with my puppy dog, Fritzy, watching the DP show. Earlier,
you guys were talking about the best players in each
of the four major sports. I think the seven eight
season would rival probably most sports years. You've got Kobe MVP,
You've got Peyton the Super Bowl winner and MVP. You've
(29:46):
got Pouholtz MVP. You got Sidney Crosby MVP, and if
you want a bonus, we've got Walter Ray Williams Junior,
the third the best professional bowler with an average of
two twenty eight point three four.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Thank you, Rich, It's well done. There a little bonus coverage.
Rich sitting by with his puppy, Fritzy. Hopefully he's hound strained.
Mike and Wisconsin joining us on the program.
Speaker 14 (30:14):
I Mike Man, I'm an MVP topic.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So the NFL, NHL, NBA, they all have one m
VP for the season.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
I guess I'm curious. I don't know if you are
the boys, if you.
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Know the history or reasoning behind why the MLB they
have two they have one AL and one NL.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Uh, I don't know, but they were separate back then.
They're you know, not interleague play when they first started this.
But yeah, I don't know why they decided, Like the
NFL having the NFC AFC m vps, they don't do that.
But I don't I don't know. Maybe there's an article
(30:57):
on that, yeah, Pauling.
Speaker 10 (30:57):
According to Baseball Almanac, it goes back to the AL
and NL being drastically separate one hundred years ago. The
business model who ran it, the fact that they didn't
play each other, there's no interleague play. It was kind
of obvious back then.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
They say Anthony in La Hi, Anthony.
Speaker 14 (31:13):
A DP a blue blue for that liner comment. I mean,
that's that's why you guys are the best. You know,
That's that's when you're in the man cave and you
got your buddies around, you know, going back a couple
of studs. You know, that's what you fall into, you know,
and and you guys are awesome. But I was dying
lacked and driving driving the word withsten of that. But yeah,
(31:36):
as far as as far as all the four major
athletes in all the sports, you know, there used to
be a cartoon that I used to watch when I
was a kid, and I think it was called Pro
Stars or All Stars, and I had Bo Jackson, Michael Jordan,
Wayne Gretzky, and I don't know if they had a
baseball player, but I if I'm not wrong, of my years,
(31:56):
maybe like a Ken Griffy or Frank Thomas. I'm not
sure if so years matchup.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, I'd have to look at that. But Bo wasn't
the best player in his sport. Bo was Bo, Bo
is the best athlete, but he wasn't the best player
in his in either sport. I'm still that it's mind
boggling that Jim Harbaugh had more rushing yards than Bo
(32:22):
Jackson in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I love that. I love that. Let me take a break.
We come back, we'll play in or Out and we'll
hear from Christian Latner on what it's like to go
to a team that maybe doesn't have a good infrastructure
and how your success hinges on that when you go
to the NBA.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Back after this, be sure to catch the live edition
of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern
six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
We're going to play in or Out in a moment.
Christian Latner was on the show, and I don't know
what year this was, Marvin, but we were talking about
he got drafted, he was the best player in college basketball.
He went to Minnesota and that was a dysfunctional franchise.
(33:16):
So he was on the show in twenty nineteen and
he had this to say about being great in college
and then trying to be great in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
The general public and maybe the media don't realize.
Speaker 15 (33:28):
How good the professional athletes are and how many beasts
there are in the NFL and how many beasts there
are in the NBA. If I didn't do as good
in the NBA as people thought I could have done
or should have done. Then you have to chalk it
up to being on a great team at Duke, in
a great system. I'll be the first to tell you
(33:50):
that I'm a system player. I need a strong coach.
I need a good program, a good system to have
my most success. And it only happens in bad when
you're surrounded by other good players. Even Lebron James can't
do it by himself on the Lakers. I've seen Michael
Jordan and Scottie Pippen not be able to do it,
the two of them on the Bulls.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
So you have to be surrounded by a good team.
Speaker 15 (34:14):
And then don't forget how good and how many beasts
there are in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
And yes, it's harder in the NBA. And if I didn't.
Speaker 15 (34:23):
Win in the NBA as much as I did in college,
and if I didn't have the same numbers, it's because
there's more Charles Oakley and David Robinson and Anthony Mason
and all these monsters, and it does make it harder.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
It's a great point and it's a great reminder. You
look at success and you look at failure, and sometimes
it can be you're going to a team that has
turnover at the coaching position, offensive coordinator, your ownership, so
you have a lot of things in play there, and
then what kind of teammates, what kind of talent are
(34:59):
you walking into. I make the case all the time
with Patrick Mahomes, he went into the ideal situation. Perfect.
They were already a playoff team, you had a Hall
of Fame coach, you had a great GM, and it
was plug and play after one year. Now Mahomes took
(35:19):
it to another level, into a different stratosphere. But he
got the opportunity as opposed to go back to Troy
Aikman with the Cowboys. He won one game his rookie year.
They weren't good, but he did have the right coach
and at the time we thought the right owner and
(35:40):
they were able to build. I mean, Jimmy Johnson was
a genius what he could do in the draft trades
and then on the field in coaching. But Russell Wilson
goes into an ideal situation. They don't even know what
they have with him. They had spent money in the
free agency Matt Flynn, they brought him in from Green
(36:03):
Bay and then all of a sudden Russ is there.
I got beast mode. I got some better than average receivers,
good offensive line in a great defense, and a Hall
of fame coach. It works. Now there are guys who
are bigger and better than the system that they can
stand out. They can make a team better that maybe
(36:25):
is not they're not as good as they appear, but
that person makes them better. You know, Lebron did that
with the Cavaliers. He dragged them to the NBA Finals.
They had, you know upheaval with coaching, didn't have a
great roster, but Lebron was Lebron. You know, even Michael.
(36:45):
When Michael got to the Bulls, they weren't winning. They
started to win, but that's only because Michael realized I
can get thirty five a night. But what's it mean?
The great ones are, you know, measured in championships and
Mike at one point was the fifth or sixth highest
paid player on the Bulls. That's what happens. Brady understood
(37:06):
that without a great roster, it doesn't matter. I mean,
you got a Hall of Fame coach, you had a
great owner, hall of fame owner, and then you had
an infrastructure that was plug and play and then you
had Tom. You have to have that. But Latner's right.
Laightner wasn't a bust. He just went to a team
(37:28):
where he had to do more, and he wasn't capable
of doing more. All right, Paully, Time to play the
popular game, sweeping the nation, or at least just this
man cave in or out? You recapt the rules in
You're either in or you're out.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
I'm out.
Speaker 8 (37:44):
There's that out. Okay.
Speaker 10 (37:46):
So if you agree with the statement, say I'm in
or I'm out in that fashion, I'm gonna throw this
in one Bo Jackson. Let's say he could have stayed healthy.
I would be more curious to see what he have
done in baseball than in football.
Speaker 12 (38:00):
I'll go first, I'm in, In, Todd, I'm out, Seton,
I'm out, Marvin, I'm out. I'm out.
Speaker 10 (38:10):
We saw his greatness as a running back in college.
I never saw him play baseball in college, and only
a little bit in the pros. I can't imagine if
he had stayed healthy what he had done as a
baseball player full time.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Here we go for this upcoming season.
Speaker 10 (38:24):
I would take Patrick Mahomes as the quarterback of my
team over any other quarterback of the sport.
Speaker 11 (38:28):
Todd out Seaton, just Patrick Mahomes or is it the
like coordinators system that comes with him?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Just Patrick? I'm out, Marvin, I'm out. I'm out.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (38:44):
The Dodgers will break the record for wins in a
regular season one sixteen.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Todd in, Seaton out, Marvin in out.
Speaker 10 (38:54):
Steph Curry will never play for another NBA team.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Todd Yeah, Seatan and Marv I'm in.
Speaker 10 (39:05):
In six months, torpedo bats will be a non factor,
non story.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Todd in, Seatan out, Marv in out.
Speaker 10 (39:17):
You're my two favorites. I don't understand how players like
Cooper flag reclassify and thus skip their final year of
high school. I don't know how that happens. How do
you just skip your last year of high school?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You probably have to take certain courses.
Speaker 8 (39:33):
Do you start as like a sophomore junior? Extra courses?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I you're asking the wrong guy. It's probably a little
earlier than that. Okay, yeah, I had a problem just
doing the regular course load.
Speaker 10 (39:46):
You know, is that eligible to anyone to do? Like
could if you're not a duke recruit?
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Sure? Oh?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
I mean you have kids who are geniuses who go
right to college.
Speaker 10 (39:55):
I guess what I mean, civilians. I don't like Cooper
cup I don't are Cooper a flag. I don't know
his academic I just don't nderstand the process.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
You just take extra class so you get a ged.
Speaker 11 (40:04):
Yeah, A lot of the kids that my school, my
son goes to school with reclass and it's like very
much part of the process of if you're an athlete
and you plan on playing at a higher level, are
you either going to reclass or are you going to
do a post grad year?
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Which is it?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, you do a gap year. That's big in basketball.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
The final one of In and Out?
Speaker 10 (40:24):
Okay, If I were in the movie Top Gun, like
why one of the fly boys, I would have prefer
to fly with Iceman over Maverick.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Okay, Todd out? You want to be with Tom Cruis
non Don Kilmore okay, Uh, Paul Seaton totally in Marvin
uh In?
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (40:44):
Ask Goose?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah yeah wow.
Speaker 8 (40:47):
That's the point to So you gotta take care of reckless.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
And Meg Ryan. Once again, Meg Ryan has come up
a couple of times the Doors and uh, Tom Gun,
she might.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
Be underrated in or Out? Meg Ryan underrated?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Hotness, Oh hotness, hotness. Oh do you see the presidio?
Speaker 8 (41:05):
No scalding hot?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, Todd, Yeah, she's underrated. Okay, really cute yeah, because
she's cute. Cute, she's not hot. Yeah, it's more cute
than hot and probably Marvin.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
She was great in Top Gun though Harry met Sally.
She was awesome.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
You've got me?
Speaker 6 (41:24):
She was good.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Oh yeah, but she was America's sweetheart
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Patrick "Seton" O'Connor
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