May 6, 2025 • 49 mins
DP reacts to the Celtics' loss to the Knicks in Game 1. Why did the Celtics not stray away from their heavy emphasis on three-pointers despite struggling from behind the arc? Legendary NHL play-by-play voice Doc Emrick breaks down why he would take Sydney Crosby over Alex Ovechkin and explains why he stepped away from calling games after 50 years. NBA vet Gilbert Arenas updates DP on the condition of his son and weighs in on the DP Show's "Hall of Very Good" debate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
So wild night last night, as the Knicks come back
beat the Celtics and Boston misses forty five three pointers
forty five out of sixty. The Nuggets beat the Thunder
and Joker goes for forty two and twenty two. Me
go back to the Knicks because I thought they were
in trouble down twenty and Boston didn't change its philosophy.
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They weren't hitting shots, but they were still leading. And
then you kept wondering, do they go inside? Do you
maybe take a two at one point? Do you try
to go to the free throw line? Just something that
will break up the rhythm of missing all these three pointers.
Well that didn't happen. But the Knicks come back from
twenty down, and that rally is the biggest postseason comeback
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in franchise history. But Boston had to help sixty three pointers,
that's the most ever an NBA playoff game, and missing
forty five of the sixty that's obviously the most in
an NBA playoff game as well. But I was curious
about the second half. Thirty seven of the forty nine
shots Boston took in the second half and overtime three pointers.
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They went ten for thirty seven on those shots. And
at some point I have to go against the analytics.
Now I know Boston. Look, they had uncontested shots, they
were missing threes. They're not going to miss these shots
throughout this series. But at some point I want to
see some kind of alteration. I want an adjustment there.
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How about you go for a two. How about you
instruct your players to maybe run something inside and not
just perimeter jumpers. Here they are really good three point
shooting team, but when you're not that then there has
to be a point where you go, Okay, maybe we
should stop shooting threes. It's not our night. But they
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never got to that point. Now you're going to have
game to do. I think Boston's philosophy is going to
be the same, absolutely, But can the Knicks play better?
I think, you know, if Boston hits two more threes,
they win this game. I don't think the Knicks played
a perfect game. I think they hung in there. Brunson
had a chance to win it with a layup in regulation.
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Og and Nnobi. I mean they had the guys. These
are the guys that they brought in Ridges they brought
them in to beat Boston. This happens a lot of
times in pro sports, where you go, Okay, we got
to beat that team. How do we beat that team?
We got to get players and that was their sole focus.
We got to beat them. How do we match up
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with them? And last night the Knicks did a really
good job of staying in and having composure here. Because
you're down twenty on the road, you're probably going, all right,
we'll chalk this up.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
It's a loss, we'll come back.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I mean, even Denver, I thought a quick turnaround either
be really close or really ugly, and I was leaning
towards Okac. They were a nine and a half point favorite.
They were gonna blow out the Nuggets. But then that
young team sitting there resting waiting. Meanwhile Denver a quick
turnaround and they surprise Oka See and Joker. I know
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this is going to be a referendum on well see,
who should be the MVP. Shay Giljos Alexander is going
to be the MVP, and he should be because of
what he did during the regular season. But there's a
pattern that has developed between these two teams. So the
Nuggets come back from fourteen down the thunder at blown
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double digit leads three times against Denver this season. Stat
of the Day brought to you by Media America. So
they lost those three games to Denver and they blew
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double digit leads to them. Denver's a good team, smart team,
and you have guys who can make plays. Now, I
didn't think Aaron Gordon was going to be the guy
at the buzzer with a three pointer, but Chad Holmgren
missed a couple of free throws. He was late trying
to close out Aaron Gordon. Gordon is actually percentage wise
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a good three point shooter, but you had Joker who
kept him in the game, putting up monster numbers there.
And you know, keep in mind the Pacers already beat
the Cavaliers. What are the odds that Golden State could
complete the opening round sweep for road teams as they're
a seven point underdog against the Timberwolves. All right, Seaton,
what's the pole question today? Got a couple options here
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for you. Well, we could start with will the Nicks
win another game in this series?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yes? Or no?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Gentlemen, sleep my sweep?
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Okay, Paulie said dover, which team will advance? Knicks Nuggets
are neither. Okay, that's kind of fun, Nick Nuggets neither.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Todd sent this to me. Who had a better night,
Jalen Brunson or Aaron Gordon. Well, I would say Aaron
Gordon hit the game winning shot. I mean, the Knicks
had a great night. Aaron Gordon's had a really good month, Yes, Todd.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
But I find it fascinating on how you you know,
how you would decide what would be the you know,
you know, a moment obviously wins the game, so you
think that's the obvious one. But then in a huge
game and a huge series on the road, to see
what Jalen Brunson did, and it kept popping three up
to three and brings him back from twenty points, and
at least an argument can be made that through the
course of the game for each of those two games,
that you can would say Jalen.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Brunton, All right, I would say Aaron Gordon hit the
game winning shot.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
That's what makes it interesting, all right, thank you?
Speaker 5 (05:46):
It is it felt like Jalen Brunton had just won
the game and then then lost it almost immediately right after. Yes,
it felt like that was man that needed to go
in because there's no way that the Knicks are going
to be able to keep the Celtics back.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
He's so good at creating space because he's not a
big guy, but he takes on contact. He just is
really good at knowing what he does well. And I
think that there's a lot of guys who have talent,
they just don't know what they really do well, and
they try to do too much. I think Anthony Edwards
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sometimes colors outside the lines a little bit there, like
he tries to do too much and because he's got
all of that god given ability. But Brunson, I think
he's just so good at knowing I do this really
really well, and I'm not trying to do other things here.
But what other pole questions are we looking at? First hour?
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Yeah, I think we go which team will advance? We
could also look to the west as well. Maybe we
could split it up East and West if you want
to do that. I think we'll focus on the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Right by the way, here is Jalen Brunson on his
team down twenty.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
Toy saw this keep believing and just keep firing, sticking
together and keep tripping away. Now, wasn't Is it going
to be a twenty point shot where you can just
come back. We got to keep chip away possession by
possession and then just finally keep getting stops and making
post offensive one as.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Well, Okay, and also hoping the Celtics continuing to miss
three pointers. I have According to DraftKings the updated NBA
title odds, the thunder is still the favorites, then the Celtics,
followed by the Calves, and then a distant forth the Timberwolves,
and then even further down the list, the Nuggets and
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Warriors are tied at plus eighteen hundred thunder R plus
one seventy five Celtics plus two ten Calves plus five
hundred Timberwolves plus eleven hundred. Okay, so phone calls are welcome.
We'll get to those. Email addrests DP at Danpatrick dot com,
Twitter handle at DP show.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
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Speaker 8 (08:04):
Yes, Pauline, I want to go back to what you
said about the Celtics. They're missing all those threes, and
should Joe Miszula say all right, time out, let's take
it the whole reset a little bit. I wonder if
analytics overrules him, because I would think the analytics would say,
let's keep shooting because we're due to make based off
our history. They lead the league this season in three
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point attempts forty eight per game. By far, they led
the league in three point makes. I wonder if analytics
told them, don't stop, keep shooting. It will work itself out.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
But at what point do you say, it's not our night,
Like there has to be a point of no return.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
But I wonder if.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
Coaches are taught now to not fight analytics, not go
with their gut, because analytics is a removal of gut.
And I wonder if Joe Miszula says, Nope, don't do it,
stick with it, stick with it, stick with it.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well, I believe that you have to go with your
gut sometimes, like if you go by just the numbers.
I mean, I see baseball. You know managers they outmanage themselves,
they out think themselves instead of going with this up. Now,
how's he throwing? And he's throwing grape. No, he's throwing
sixty one pitches. He's got to come out, man, he's
throwing pretty pretty well skipped I know he's got to
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come out. I just want to break up the rhythm.
I got to get points. And if it's a free throw,
two free throws, maybe it's just a mid range jumper.
I just have to get something to break this skid
that we're on. That that would be my approach if
I'm playing or if I'm coaching, Let's just get something.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Yes, but don't you kind of see that, like, all right, yeah,
he's pitching, and he's had sixty pitches, and you have
this data in front of you that says as soon
as he hits sixty one pitches, he usually falls off
a cliff. I would don't you look at that and
be like, pull him out.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I watch Aaron Boone mismanaged games all the time because
it feels like he is just married to analytics. I
now pronounce you manager and wife, and I have a
problem with that. But look, I'm old school. I do
accept analytics. I think that we're beholden to analytics, and
we're like, we hold on because you can go to
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a press conference and you can say, well, the numbers
were on our side. There the numbers show that we
you know, I should pull this pitcher or we should
keep shooting threes.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I understand that it's a great excuse.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I just I think there has to be a feel
that you have with your team Sometimes. Ben, maybe that's
just the old school in me, but I understand what
you're saying. Yes, it says after sixty one pitches, then
all of a sudden, the batting average goes up to
three eighty.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Seven, seven times out of ten. It works out this way.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
You have to have a tremendous amount of belief in
your gut and your intuition to say, yeah, but this
is probably the eighth time or whatever.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But if I say to my catcher that's all I
care about how he throwing now, he might say, uh,
you know what, time to take him out? Or you
know what, they're not even coming close. Now I can
say to my my pitcher, I'm gonna leave you in
for one I'm gonna let you get out of this gym.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I'm gonna leave you in for one more.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Better.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
That's just feel and trusting your players. That's the only
thing that I would argue or push back on that.
Joe Mizzoula knows we do this really well. Okay, at
what point are we not doing this. Well, we've had
open looks too. That's the crazy part. They're not going
to shoot this poorly the rest of the series. But
then I expect the Knicks to be a little better
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as well.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
Yeah, Paulie, it seems like the NFL is still gut
over analytics. We talk about fourth and ones and stuff,
and you hear coaches from the Bills, well, fourth and one,
you should do this, and they don't. It feels like
NFL coaches do a little more gut than analytics and
tight situation.
Speaker 9 (11:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I think the younger coaching staffs, yes, are going with analytics.
You know that, hey, this is what supposed to do
in this situation. And then you're like really, you know
Harball talks about this or Lafleur. You know, these younger
coaches are like, yeah, we can go for this, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (12:12):
Going back to last night's game, if I'm a Celtics fan,
I'm pulling my hair out because Jason Tatum had a
one on one a couple of times with Brunson or
Og and he could have gone straight to the rim,
and he backed up maybe another five feet to take
a step back three pointer. I'd have been pulling my
hair out now. Normally he makes it, but like you said,
last night was not their night.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I don't want to make it easier for you to
guard me if you know I'm not going to the
hoop and I'm going to be on the perimeter. Now
he has a height advantage, but still I know you're
going to stay on the perimeter. It's such a huge
advantage though, I think for the defense that you're you're
not going to go inside, and that was that was
what was surprising.
Speaker 8 (12:49):
I just need to break up the rhythm here. Yeah, Pauline,
I wonder what an analyst coach would have said. Jalen
Brown missed his first nine threes over nine, then he
hit one when he is over nine, would analytics tell
you to tell him to stop shooting threes and takeing
the wholen't.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yes, I would say go in there and get get found.
Now that's gut.
Speaker 8 (13:08):
Yes, analytics have said Jalen Brown should keep shooting because
based off his history, he's due to hit.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Paul I've never lost a playoff game in my lifetime. Okay,
I've never coached one, but I've never lost one. I've defeated, Yes,
so I know what I'm talking about now. I anytime
that I struggled shooting, I would always think, just get
free throws, like just stop whatever is happening. And I
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think the ability to be able to slow it down
and don't let the Knicks get momentum or get that
feeling of man, we're in this because you took away
that feeling when they were down twenty. You took away
their hope and then all of a sudden you'll allowed
it to come back by missing all these shots and
then all of a sudden Nicks are going, uh, we can.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Win this game. Like the Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I'm watched, I go, okay, they can't stop Joker, all right,
they're doing okay here, okay, all right, they're fouling. Okay,
I don't know about that flaw. We can't uh Gordon
ballgame and sort of how it happened.
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Speaker 2 (15:23):
Doc Emrick is a Hall of Famer and former lead
play by play voice for NBC's NHL Coverage and now
I don't know what kind of play by play you're
doing in retirement. Are you doing any play by play
in retirement?
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Doc?
Speaker 12 (15:37):
Only describing dog walks and occasional visits to the grocery store.
That's pretty much it.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Give me a little bit of that.
Speaker 12 (15:49):
There's milk. It expires on the twenty eighth of May.
I oh, there's the first of June. I'm gonna take
the first of June because it'll last longer.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Okay, all right, So if you're watching hockey, you're not
doing play by play, No, no.
Speaker 12 (16:05):
But I'm sure enjoying it. My goodness, is it great.
We've had some wonderful games to finish up the last
round and it's just spectacular. And I guess I've grown spoiled.
This is what we get every time at this year.
It's why Charles Barkley always talks about sneaking behind the
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set when he's doing basketball and watching hockey. It's just engrossing.
It's wonderful, and it's what the sport is all about.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
But you get jealous when you look at these incredible
finishes and like you wish you were doing it.
Speaker 12 (16:43):
No, No, I haven't regretted retirement once. I marvel at
what the guys do that are describing games now, But
the sport is so wonderful. I'm glad I had my
years at it, forty seven in total, but I don't
regret reach hiring the thing. When I was riding buses
in the miners, the one thing that I looked forward
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to was the planes and the big hotels. And by
the time the forty seven years was up and we
were in COVID, the thing that I didn't particularly like
were the planes and the hotels. So I had my
time and it was wonderful. I have so many great memories.
I met a lot of wonderful people, including yourself, and
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I'll never forget the day that I was with you
and the dan Netes McLevin was in gold and I
think it was Fritzy who shot on him. He had
a broom. I believe somewhere in the archives there is
tape of that. But those are memories that I have
that I'll always cherish.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
How do you come to the point where you go, now,
I'm going to retire because we see this with athletes.
I'm going to retire from this job in three years.
But you came to that decision did you come to that.
Speaker 12 (18:02):
Well, in any thing where you have a motor skill,
which is in athletics as well, you like to make
your move before somebody makes it for you. And fortunately
with NBC, the hook was not out. But I had
had fifty years covering the sport, and I did forty
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years at the NHL. And I think one thing too
that COVID did was just before we took the break
in February of twenty twenty, the league came out with
rules that were very necessary where we couldn't have anyone
between the benches, where we had to be six feet
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with a boom mic away from all the coaches and
the players. We could not go into the dressing rooms anymore,
and that was where the fun was for me, In
addition to preparing and doing the games, was actually being
able to learn something more about the players that I
could share with somebody. And so all of those things
sort of came to the foe at once. The numbers
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of forty and fifty were kind of round numbers that
were even, and it seemed like a good time. I
had so many great memories that it was. It was
a great time to be out.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I was going to ask you, what's the first thing
to go on a play by play person and it
sounds like your eyesight was the first thing to go.
Speaker 12 (19:27):
Yeah, I think that would be probably true. You and
I were together in London at the Olympics in twenty twelve,
and the one thing that happened there was that I discovered,
to my chagrin, when I was doing water polo, that
I had cataracts, and so those were removed and my eyesight,
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of course immediately got better. But you realize that those
are things that happened with age. But yeah, I don't
know that my eyesight is going, but you realize that
that does happen as you get older. But I think
the thing with me was that the travel was starting
to get to me and I wanted to be home more,
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and all of those things added up to make for
the right decision and to get to watch these games now,
and especially the finishes that we had in the Game
Seven's were you know, the come from behind third periods
in the Game sevens, as well as the come from
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behind almost tie last night in Toronto. Those are exciting
and I do envy the guys that are doing the
games now, but I wouldn't want to be there. They
are having the time of their lives doing these games,
and I'm glad for them.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Talking to Doc Emrick, a member of the NHL and
Sports Broadcasting Hall of Fame, if I would have talked
to you twenty years ago and I would have said
to you, you know, Gretzky's goal scoring record is not safe,
you would have said, what.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
You're wrong.
Speaker 12 (21:04):
I would have said, yeah. I would have said, I
agree with you that it's I would I would have
said it's safe. But then we we had Wayne Gretzky
on at the All Star Game in Saint Louis five
years ago and he was asked the question, can Ovechkin
catch you? And he said yes. And here's why. He's
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on a good team that wins a lot of games,
and he's healthy. He rarely gets hurt. This year he did,
but to his credit, he came back a bulldozer and
he wound up eclipsing the record in a marvelous ceremony
that the NHL had on Long Island. But the other
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thing is too, the one thing that is often overlooked.
He came into the League of bull in the China
Shop and he would hammer players. He was often the
league leader in hits, and he was again this year.
He never stopped playing his game, and yet he was
the greatest goalscorer of the modern era and now is
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the record goal scorer of all time. And a guy
that came in I'll never forget the first time that
we ever had him on our telecast in New Jersey.
Of course, we wanted to interview Alex Ovechkin, and so
he came in and politely sat down, and we had
a technical difficulty on MSG network and we said, Alex,
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we're sorry, we can't do the interview. He said, no,
you don't understand. I want to do the interview. And
we told him, no, we can't. We've got a technical
problem in the truck. We can't do it. And so
he got up and left. But he really wanted to
do everything the right way when he first came here.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
If I said you can start your team with Ovechkin
or Crosby.
Speaker 12 (22:58):
I want them both because I want the playmaker and
I want the goals.
Speaker 13 (23:02):
Don okay Crosby, And here's why, because you do need goalscorers.
Speaker 12 (23:15):
I understand that. But Sid is the guy who is
always going to be prepared to play first on last
off is always going to be a playmaker and a
guy that will lead by example. And that's not to
say that Alex's captain does not. We saw what he
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did with Marc Andre Fleury and they were archrivals. Of
course for a long time. He has led by example too.
But here's an here's a story that showed what Alex
has grown into, and it would make that on the
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rare on the total of years Sid has done this
in Pittsburgh, but Alex has picked up that slack in
the later years in Washington. I was talking with Barry
Trotz before what turned out to be the last game
that Washington would play before they won the Stanley Cup championship,
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and I said, can you retell a story that you
told me earlier in the year about Ovechkin, And so
he did, and so I did tell this at the
end of the playoffs when Washington was winning the Stanley Cup.
It was that summer before and the Capitals had disappointed
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again and Alex was getting married and Barry was invited,
and so he went over to Moscow and attended the wedding.
He was invited to the reception and Barry said, I'm
not going to go to a reception with a bunch
of my hockey players. I'll wait. So he had dinner
with Alex shortly there after, and he said, Alex, I've
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got to talk to you seriously about what's coming ahead.
There is a lot of unhappiness in Washington, and there
are people who think it's your fault, and there are
people who think that it's the fault of some of
your teammates. And there is going to be change. You
are going to have to train like you never trained before.
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You are going to have to be the first guy
on the ice, and you are going to have to
be this team's leader. It's not pleasant to think about,
but that's what's ahead. That fall, he came in and
scored seven goals in the first two games, and even
though Washington fell behind in their playoff series, they were
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rallied and went ahead, and they went on and won
the Stanley Cup. And he's been the great leader ever since.
But Sid has been doing that ever since he came
to Pittsburgh. And so when you forced me into that
corner and the paint is still not dried, I choose Sid.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
What is it like when you know the game can
end at any moment when when you get into sudden
death overtime. So as a play by play guy, what
you know, what is your game plan of how to
call it so you're on time with it or a
little bit ahead of the play as opposed to kind
of cleaning up after that.
Speaker 12 (26:28):
Yeah, you have to be right on it and with that,
and the referees tell me the same thing with that.
You have to be on it. But boy, you've got
to be right and you also have to be in
control of your emotions so that you don't overdo it.
This is about the players. It is not about yourself.
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It's not about signature calls or anything else. By the way,
sidestep this for a minute. I need to pay tribute
to the rect Freeze to handle Game seven because those
games were thrilling because of them. They didn't want to
be them in the way. They didn't have a steady
parade to the penalty box because they were there on merit.
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They didn't leave that behind. And they were nervous too,
I'll bet, and you get nervous before and overtime in
a Stanley Cup Game seven. I've had some of those.
But yeah, you need to be on top of it.
You need to be right. And as I heard Larry Coleness,
the caller of the Kentucky Derby interview, you can't have
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an eraser on your tongue. You can't take it back.
And so all of those things go into making this
kind of work exciting. And I always encourage young people
who are interested in it to get into it and
stay into it because it is certainly rewarding in a
great way to make a living. By the way, those
names are West McCauley, danil Roart, Jehanhee Bear and Gord
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Dwyer of the four guys and stripes that handled those games.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
What hockey name gave you fits.
Speaker 12 (28:08):
Saragay them cheen off, and it sure shouldn't have. I
was working with Bill Clement and we were doing and
I kept saying them cheam off with an M. And
he said, say, nemenof, nemnoff, nemenoff. You can do it,
can't you? And I said, yeah, I can. And it
came down to where I if I said that over
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and over again before the game, that it would it
came out more right than wrong. But it's an imperfect science,
isn't it. I mean, you guys have to talk three
hours in the morning. And it's not totally perfect, I suppose,
but I never did a perfect game. I mean you
talk over and over all the time, and you do
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make mistakes, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
We don't care about getting it right though, Doc. That's
the difference between.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
But you do. Is am.
Speaker 12 (29:01):
I looking at the team that's going to be on
Celebrity Family Feud? Is this the five?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (29:07):
Yeah, okay, you've chosen them.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Uh yeah, for better or for worse? Yes, any advice
on Celebrity Family Feud?
Speaker 12 (29:19):
No. I think you should rely on your experience. And
that's my stat of the day. Oh the number is
eighty nine. The experience that your team has going in
I think will lead you to victory. You have twenty
six years in June, Fritzy will have twenty three, Pauli
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has eighteen, Seaton has sixteen, and Marvin has six. That's
a total of eighty nine. You rely on your experience,
and I agree with what you said last week. You're
there to entertain. I mean, it'd be nice if you
could win, but the memory will come from entertaining who
And in gut versus analytics coach, the coach that I
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would favor is you, because I think you're going to
go on gut not analytics. Yeah, okay, you guys were
talking last week about Yiannis and his poor free throw percentage.
When I was growing up, I watched Wilk Chamberlain and
he was terrible the foul line. I looked it up.
He was fifty one percent, and I think you guys
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said that's about where Yannis was last week.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Well, yeah, and somebody. I'm sure they tried, but it's
it should be fluid. He doesn't have a fluid free throw.
It's it stops. It's almost like a ladder unfolding, and
that you just you got to make it start from
your legs and go all the way up and follow through,
you know, being a great free throw shooter that you are.
Speaker 12 (30:52):
Well, it's it's a new decade. So if I get
to New York, it's best of three and we will
try it yet again. I like that left hand bookshot
that I see every so often. Is that like the
Kareem skyhook.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
That's fritzy.
Speaker 12 (31:11):
Ah okay, I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
You No no, no, no no, And I'll shoot blindfolded
if you want to.
Speaker 12 (31:20):
Okay, yeah, as long as it's best of three because
we've been postponing this now largely because of my logistics.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
But those are you're retired. I mean, there's a lot
more excuses.
Speaker 12 (31:33):
You're right, right, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
All right, You're welcome to my dojo anytime you want to.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Doc.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Okay, all right, great to catch up with you again,
thanks for joining you.
Speaker 12 (31:44):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
That's the Hall of Famer Doc Emmery.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Gilbert arenas host of Gil's Arena podcast, and it is
doing some big business. Just surpassed one million subscribers on
Underdog and it's streaming Monday through Thursday on YouTube. Also
available on Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcast. And
there's a documentary out on gil It's on Netflix available.
(32:18):
It's called Untold Shooting Guards. We'll talk about that in
the moment. First of all, how's your son doing.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
He's he's doing very well.
Speaker 9 (32:31):
He has some angels with him that morning, so you know, glad,
he's you know, fully recovering.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Didn't have any major injuries, so you know, that's all we.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Can pray for what's that phone call? Like early in
the morning.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
It was it was devastating.
Speaker 9 (32:48):
Well it was because I, you know, usually I'll wake
up at four thirty and I go to the Tesla
app to see if, you know, if he's heading home
or if he's at the gym. So his car is
at the gym. So I continue my workout and my
daughter said, what are you doing. I'm like, obviously I'm
working out. He said, you haven't heard your son just
got an accident at the gym. There's like, no, he's
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at the hospital. So I just stopped everything and ran
over there. And then it was like, what the hell
is going on? Like was it his car? What's going on?
And then I realized that the app actually malfunctioned and
I found that out a couple of days later when
he started waking up and off the drugs. But you know,
my thing was making sure there was no broken limbs,
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there was no burns, and you know, lucky for him
trapped inside of a car for so long, you know,
it's it's luckily there. You know, there was bystanders that
heard the crash that early in the morning that got him.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Out, but they had to put him in a coma.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
Yeah, because they were he was he was a little
stronger than they they thought, and he was waking up,
you know, going crazy, So they put him in an
induced coma just to get the air.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I guess, you know, was it? Cis said they were
getting a smoke and all of that out.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Of his Yeah, okay, so he I guess he was.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
He was in a car. It looked like about ten
twelve minutes.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Just inhaling that, just in healing that yet. Yeah, all right,
well that's good to hear. And he's still going to
USC of course. Okay, you know he did.
Speaker 9 (34:24):
His sense of humor was still there when he was
waking up and he asked where is he and was
all you had the UCLA hospital and he wrote, tell
muss I'm sorry that I'm at UCLA.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
I'm like, not right now, not right now, So Coach Musselman,
not right now, not with the jokes right now. We're
still a little scared.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
You got to see the documentary, Uh what stood out
to you?
Speaker 9 (34:56):
I thought it was I personally thought it was, you know,
it was it was done good.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You know, explain how they came up with the idea
that they're going to do a documentary called Untold Shooting
Guards and the Double meaning.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Well that that that that's a great title.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
I'm not even gonna lie just you know, for you know,
everything that went on.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
But you know, at first, I wanted to.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
Tell this story to get the real story out there,
but I never wanted to tell it without Javaris aside.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Okay, explain this to our audience, just so they know
what you're talking about.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
You know, So me and Javars, you know, which was
my you know, rook at the time or second year player,
but he was, you know, one of my guys on
the team was playing a card game and I didn't
like the way he was conversating after losing. You know,
he was losing, so I didn't like the tone that
he was saying to the other players. So as a veteran,
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as the guy that he, you know, he looked up to,
you know, I checked him, and you know, when you're
losing money, I'm checking you in front of players. That
got into a little altercation, and you know, we challenged
each other. So the challenge was you know you're gonna
shoot me, Well, I want to see you do it.
You know, I was calling this bluff and it wasn't
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as drama field as you know, the media made it
seem right.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
It calmed down very quickly.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
But I I you know, you guys got guns at
the card game.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
No, no, no, this is this was that.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
This was at the locker in the locker room, the
card game on a plane from Arizona to Washington, that
long flight and you know they play cards on the game.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
So how much money are we talking about here?
Speaker 9 (36:48):
The pot at the time when I joined was probably
eleven hundred dollars. Oh, but I think he was down
about six grand.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Okay, okay, So when did you guys? How how are
you guys when you get off the plane? And then
when do you know that maybe this is escalating?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
An I'm an.
Speaker 9 (37:08):
Antagonizer, so you know my personality, you can see, I'm
an antagonizer.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
I'm gonna point, I'm gonna poke at you.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
So you know, him losing, I'm poking at the end
of the plane, just poking his buttons. But we did
we did have a day off, so I think we
landed Saturday. We did have Sunday off, and this happened Monday,
where I'm.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Still you know, you know, I want to see if
you're still going to be about your word.
Speaker 9 (37:33):
So I had the guns on his chair and I
wrote a note, you know, pick one, you know.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
To see a tick one of these nice guns to
shoot me with. But I knew he wasn't.
Speaker 9 (37:44):
He couldn't shoot me because there were no bullets for
the gun, right and then you had to go to
Maryland to actually buy bullets, and the chances of them
having a desert egle fifty cow bullet or whatever he
picked wasn't going to be there.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
So I wasn't really scared for my life.
Speaker 9 (38:01):
It was more I'm going to call your your bluff,
let's see what you're gonna do, type of It was
one of those type of type of ordeals, you know,
egotistic stuff that locker rooms go through. I don't know,
on another level, on another level.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I don't I don't know if this happened with other
teams where guys are bringing in guns there but no.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
No, no, the other teams they just getting fistfights.
Speaker 9 (38:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just you know, so you
know it was it was very immature on especially my part,
you know, being the older player on their team. You know,
very immature. But I did, and I I really tried
to correct my wrong as as soon as it happened,
by you know, really taking the blame forward and trying
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to see if the media just focused on me and
get away from him.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
When did you know that it was going to be
a bigger story than just a locker room prank?
Speaker 9 (38:58):
When I think when your Vesty got a hold of
it and he wrote the article, you know, ok, corral
inside the Wizard locker.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Room, I was like, oh, sh right, right.
Speaker 9 (39:11):
So it was because before that, you know, I had
it on like the twenty first. So for the most part,
the Washington, the Washington, you know, Will Bond and Born Heizer,
they wasn't touching the story, you know, even though they
heard rumbles of it, right it was like, okay, it's contained. Okay,
let's just go on about our business, you know, let's
not try that again. And you know, once he leaved
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the story, it was all hell broke loose after that.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
It's Gilbert Arena's host of Gil's Arena Podcast, three time
NBA All Star with the Wizards, and the documentary Untold
doc It's Untold Shooting Guards.
Speaker 9 (39:51):
I don't know why I liked the title so much,
like it stands out, you know, when you're talking about
putting the doc and you want the views.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
That's a great yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Explain to me the logic of the Celtics last night
that shooters keep shooting. But at what point do you
change up your offensive philosophy? Maybe try to get a two,
maybe go to the hoop, maybe get a free, like anything,
you being a great scorer. After a while, you got
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to realize, maybe it's not my night.
Speaker 9 (40:25):
You know, it's the Achille heels of when Celtics do lose,
when they do lose the performance they had last night, Right,
they're going to be ten for sixty, twelve for fifty eight. Right,
you're beatable at that moment in time. Right, you know
a team that's taking a bunch of twos, they're gonna
beat you. You're shooting about one hundred and eighty points
(40:46):
worth of threes, but you got one hundred and five points.
That doesn't even make sense of a winning basketball, you
know team.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
So there has to be someone or some.
Speaker 9 (41:01):
Some strategy of at a certain point let go of
the three point shot in attack, because if you're not
playing a team who also relies on threes, like a
New York Knick team, they're gonna actually beat you.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
You're beatable at that.
Speaker 9 (41:18):
Point when you're making your threes and you're shooting forty
Oh yeah, you're you're you're gonna blow everybody out. But
in a seven game series, you're gonna have two games
like this, right, You're gonna.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Have one and a half games where you're on fire.
So you got to figure out how to.
Speaker 9 (41:34):
Win the games when you're not shooting very well, because
you're gonna automatically give two games to the New York
Knicks just off of just the seven game series on how.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Shooting goes better chance to win their series, the Nuggets
or the Knicks.
Speaker 9 (41:51):
Nuggets when you when you have a guy like Yokic
who can manipulate the game, you know, offensively, just.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Hanging in there.
Speaker 9 (42:06):
It's like yesterday watching the game, Denver wasn't playing well
and it seemed like okay, c was playing very well,
but they were still hanging in there. And as long
as you know, you got five minutes left.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Yoki just down ten.
Speaker 9 (42:23):
You you gotta give it to the guy who's been
there before that, who has three MVPs, who should have
four or five of them. You you gotta you gotta
worry about, you know, someone like him. When it comes
to the New York Knicks, they have Brunson right and
your your small guard is very dominant. But when you're
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talking about the overall impact, I think the Celtics themselves
with Jason Tatum, with Brown, with the pedigree of you know,
Drew Holliday and White that's been there. They've won, they've
won golds. You're talking about you know, uh better cast
of just winning. So you know it would it's gonna
be hard for Nicks to pull off this series, but
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it is doable.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
It's doable.
Speaker 9 (43:09):
But our edge, you know Denver that if one of
the two is gonna win it, it'd be more like
Denver has a better chance than New York.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
We came up with the Hall of Very Good. This
was years ago. I think I think it was because
of Joe Johnson. We put him in the Hall of
Very Good. He's not a Hall of Famer. We put
him in as a founding father Mount Rushmore of Hall
of Very Good. Not it's not an insult, but like
you could be up for Hall of Very Good.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Okay, right, okay.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Do you accept the nomination of being in the Hall
of very Good.
Speaker 9 (43:41):
Yeah, I accept the nomination of being an NBA player, right,
you know, as you're talking about a small percentage of
people who who who actually go out to play this
game as a youth, and there's only very, very small
percentage that's going to make that.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
So, you know, having a nomine nation of being very
very good, I like that. Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
By the way, it's only one very it's not very
very Just say, okay, some of the players we have
in the Hall of very Good. We have Latrell spree
Will okay, Rip Hamilton, okay. Uh, Let's see who else
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do we have on their Pulley Antoine Jamison okay, Penny Hardaway, yes,
very good. It probably gets two varies, give him two
very Who else do we have, Paul.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
About, Jamal Crawford twenty thousand points? Yes, all of very good?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Stephan Malberry Oh, okay, Marbury, Jason Williams.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
White Chocolate. Yeah, I'll give it to him.
Speaker 9 (44:58):
But he's not up bit with the Maulberry when it
comes to statistical okay, because it's you know, the Hall
of famous whole body of work, right, yeah, yeah, okay,
So I mean he'd be Jason Williams to be somewhere below,
you know, someone like.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Me, like the Hall of very white, than he would
be in that.
Speaker 9 (45:18):
Oh yeah, listen guarding him and who he was as
a player, very very good. Okay, you know, so it's
you know, the the NBA career versus the body of
work has two different things. But you know, as a
dangerous player on the court, he was very very good.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
How about cliff Robinson.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
I don't remember Clifford like that.
Speaker 9 (45:39):
I remember just growing up as a child, you know,
you know the Blazers, you know, so I don't remember
you know the details of his career, you know, lou
will you can put in there.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
How about Baron Davis Hall of very good?
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Yeah, I can put the Baron Davis in there.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Okay, who is the best player you played and who's
not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 9 (46:06):
Well, I don't think Jamal is up yet, but I'll
probably say who hasn't is probably Stephan Maulberry. I'm so
confused why he's not actually in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
He was a problem for you.
Speaker 9 (46:18):
Yeah, I think he has a I mean I think
he has the best resume for someone who who hasn't
you know, Chris Weber's in the Hall of Fame, right, yeah, okay, yeah,
you know some of those guys, you know, some of
those guys get in.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Under the radar and you'd be like, wait what.
Speaker 9 (46:38):
Jalen Rose, Yeah, general was very good, haul of very good,
haul of very good.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Jermaine O'Neill.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Yeah, oh yes, yeah, no, yes, Jermaine is not in
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
Oh then Jermaine. I'll put Jermaine number one. Oh, you know,
guy a guy who was.
Speaker 9 (46:58):
Like the reason I'll put him in front of like
somebody like Jamal Tinsley, a Jalen Rose type, is because
he was a main player.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
He was the go to guy. He was a franchise player,
so you.
Speaker 9 (47:11):
Know, the franchise guy, a guy who had to carry
you know, the low that's Jermaine O'Neill. He should be
in the Hall of Fame. He's probably the best one
that's not there.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
I can't put Jamal Tinsley in the Hall of Very Good.
Speaker 9 (47:23):
No, I mean no, he didn't have the NBA career
to be there. But he was a really good player. Okay,
probably one of the unguardable guys during the during the
years where we trapped the basketball and picked up full court. Yeah,
it was probably the only guy that it didn't work against.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Really.
Speaker 9 (47:40):
Yeah, his composure during traps and his dribbling skills wasn't
fast at all, wasn't quick at all, never gotten rid
of the ball.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
He just toyed with everyone during full court traps.
Speaker 9 (47:55):
And it was kind of embarrassing to the points like,
let's just bring it back like he's he's.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
This is pointless.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
So once again it's the Hall of very good you're
in congratulate about a roundom of plause.
Speaker 9 (48:09):
Yeah, I appreciated guy.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah, I'll take.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Him out all accolates I can get.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Hey, but is your speech gonna resemble Michael Jordan's at
the Hall of Fame when he made fun of everybody?
Speaker 3 (48:25):
No, no, you're an agitator. You just told me you
like to pull up.
Speaker 9 (48:30):
But when you're Michael Jordan, you get to make fun
of everybody. You get to let everybody know how great
you are when you are the top.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
Don data of course.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
So you would have felt honored if he made fun
of you.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
Yes, I'll be just like Charles Barkley he called me.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
I'm honored I'm glad your son's doing well, and good
luck with the documentary, and of course congrats on the podcast.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Oh, thank you, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
So wild night last night, as the Knicks come back
beat the Celtics and Boston misses forty five three pointers
forty five out of sixty. The Nuggets beat the Thunder
and Joker goes for forty two and twenty two. Me
go back to the Knicks because I thought they were
in trouble down twenty and Boston didn't change its philosophy.
(00:26):
They weren't hitting shots, but they were still leading. And
then you kept wondering, do they go inside? Do you
maybe take a two at one point? Do you try
to go to the free throw line? Just something that
will break up the rhythm of missing all these three pointers.
Well that didn't happen. But the Knicks come back from
twenty down, and that rally is the biggest postseason comeback
(00:50):
in franchise history. But Boston had to help sixty three pointers,
that's the most ever an NBA playoff game, and missing
forty five of the sixty that's obviously the most in
an NBA playoff game as well. But I was curious
about the second half. Thirty seven of the forty nine
shots Boston took in the second half and overtime three pointers.
(01:12):
They went ten for thirty seven on those shots. And
at some point I have to go against the analytics.
Now I know Boston. Look, they had uncontested shots, they
were missing threes. They're not going to miss these shots
throughout this series. But at some point I want to
see some kind of alteration. I want an adjustment there.
(01:37):
How about you go for a two. How about you
instruct your players to maybe run something inside and not
just perimeter jumpers. Here they are really good three point
shooting team, but when you're not that then there has
to be a point where you go, Okay, maybe we
should stop shooting threes. It's not our night. But they
(01:57):
never got to that point. Now you're going to have
game to do. I think Boston's philosophy is going to
be the same, absolutely, But can the Knicks play better?
I think, you know, if Boston hits two more threes,
they win this game. I don't think the Knicks played
a perfect game. I think they hung in there. Brunson
had a chance to win it with a layup in regulation.
(02:20):
Og and Nnobi. I mean they had the guys. These
are the guys that they brought in Ridges they brought
them in to beat Boston. This happens a lot of
times in pro sports, where you go, Okay, we got
to beat that team. How do we beat that team?
We got to get players and that was their sole focus.
We got to beat them. How do we match up
(02:41):
with them? And last night the Knicks did a really
good job of staying in and having composure here. Because
you're down twenty on the road, you're probably going, all right,
we'll chalk this up.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
It's a loss, we'll come back.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I mean, even Denver, I thought a quick turnaround either
be really close or really ugly, and I was leaning
towards Okac. They were a nine and a half point favorite.
They were gonna blow out the Nuggets. But then that
young team sitting there resting waiting. Meanwhile Denver a quick
turnaround and they surprise Oka See and Joker. I know
(03:20):
this is going to be a referendum on well see,
who should be the MVP. Shay Giljos Alexander is going
to be the MVP, and he should be because of
what he did during the regular season. But there's a
pattern that has developed between these two teams. So the
Nuggets come back from fourteen down the thunder at blown
(03:41):
double digit leads three times against Denver this season. Stat
of the Day brought to you by Media America. So
they lost those three games to Denver and they blew
(04:04):
double digit leads to them. Denver's a good team, smart team,
and you have guys who can make plays. Now, I
didn't think Aaron Gordon was going to be the guy
at the buzzer with a three pointer, but Chad Holmgren
missed a couple of free throws. He was late trying
to close out Aaron Gordon. Gordon is actually percentage wise
(04:25):
a good three point shooter, but you had Joker who
kept him in the game, putting up monster numbers there.
And you know, keep in mind the Pacers already beat
the Cavaliers. What are the odds that Golden State could
complete the opening round sweep for road teams as they're
a seven point underdog against the Timberwolves. All right, Seaton,
what's the pole question today? Got a couple options here
(04:47):
for you. Well, we could start with will the Nicks
win another game in this series?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yes? Or no?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Gentlemen, sleep my sweep?
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Okay, Paulie said dover, which team will advance? Knicks Nuggets
are neither. Okay, that's kind of fun, Nick Nuggets neither.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Todd sent this to me. Who had a better night,
Jalen Brunson or Aaron Gordon. Well, I would say Aaron
Gordon hit the game winning shot. I mean, the Knicks
had a great night. Aaron Gordon's had a really good month, Yes, Todd.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
But I find it fascinating on how you you know,
how you would decide what would be the you know,
you know, a moment obviously wins the game, so you
think that's the obvious one. But then in a huge
game and a huge series on the road, to see
what Jalen Brunson did, and it kept popping three up
to three and brings him back from twenty points, and
at least an argument can be made that through the
course of the game for each of those two games,
that you can would say Jalen.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Brunton, All right, I would say Aaron Gordon hit the
game winning shot.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
That's what makes it interesting, all right, thank you?
Speaker 5 (05:46):
It is it felt like Jalen Brunton had just won
the game and then then lost it almost immediately right after. Yes,
it felt like that was man that needed to go
in because there's no way that the Knicks are going
to be able to keep the Celtics back.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
He's so good at creating space because he's not a
big guy, but he takes on contact. He just is
really good at knowing what he does well. And I
think that there's a lot of guys who have talent,
they just don't know what they really do well, and
they try to do too much. I think Anthony Edwards
(06:23):
sometimes colors outside the lines a little bit there, like
he tries to do too much and because he's got
all of that god given ability. But Brunson, I think
he's just so good at knowing I do this really
really well, and I'm not trying to do other things here.
But what other pole questions are we looking at? First hour?
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Yeah, I think we go which team will advance? We
could also look to the west as well. Maybe we
could split it up East and West if you want
to do that. I think we'll focus on the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Right by the way, here is Jalen Brunson on his
team down twenty.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
Toy saw this keep believing and just keep firing, sticking
together and keep tripping away. Now, wasn't Is it going
to be a twenty point shot where you can just
come back. We got to keep chip away possession by
possession and then just finally keep getting stops and making
post offensive one as.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Well, Okay, and also hoping the Celtics continuing to miss
three pointers. I have According to DraftKings the updated NBA
title odds, the thunder is still the favorites, then the Celtics,
followed by the Calves, and then a distant forth the Timberwolves,
and then even further down the list, the Nuggets and
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Warriors are tied at plus eighteen hundred thunder R plus
one seventy five Celtics plus two ten Calves plus five
hundred Timberwolves plus eleven hundred. Okay, so phone calls are welcome.
We'll get to those. Email addrests DP at Danpatrick dot com,
Twitter handle at DP show.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
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Speaker 8 (08:04):
Yes, Pauline, I want to go back to what you
said about the Celtics. They're missing all those threes, and
should Joe Miszula say all right, time out, let's take
it the whole reset a little bit. I wonder if
analytics overrules him, because I would think the analytics would say,
let's keep shooting because we're due to make based off
our history. They lead the league this season in three
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point attempts forty eight per game. By far, they led
the league in three point makes. I wonder if analytics
told them, don't stop, keep shooting. It will work itself out.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
But at what point do you say, it's not our night,
Like there has to be a point of no return.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
But I wonder if.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
Coaches are taught now to not fight analytics, not go
with their gut, because analytics is a removal of gut.
And I wonder if Joe Miszula says, Nope, don't do it,
stick with it, stick with it, stick with it.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well, I believe that you have to go with your
gut sometimes, like if you go by just the numbers.
I mean, I see baseball. You know managers they outmanage themselves,
they out think themselves instead of going with this up. Now,
how's he throwing? And he's throwing grape. No, he's throwing
sixty one pitches. He's got to come out, man, he's
throwing pretty pretty well skipped I know he's got to
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come out. I just want to break up the rhythm.
I got to get points. And if it's a free throw,
two free throws, maybe it's just a mid range jumper.
I just have to get something to break this skid
that we're on. That that would be my approach if
I'm playing or if I'm coaching, Let's just get something.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Yes, but don't you kind of see that, like, all right, yeah,
he's pitching, and he's had sixty pitches, and you have
this data in front of you that says as soon
as he hits sixty one pitches, he usually falls off
a cliff. I would don't you look at that and
be like, pull him out.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I watch Aaron Boone mismanaged games all the time because
it feels like he is just married to analytics. I
now pronounce you manager and wife, and I have a
problem with that. But look, I'm old school. I do
accept analytics. I think that we're beholden to analytics, and
we're like, we hold on because you can go to
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a press conference and you can say, well, the numbers
were on our side. There the numbers show that we
you know, I should pull this pitcher or we should
keep shooting threes.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I understand that it's a great excuse.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I just I think there has to be a feel
that you have with your team Sometimes. Ben, maybe that's
just the old school in me, but I understand what
you're saying. Yes, it says after sixty one pitches, then
all of a sudden, the batting average goes up to
three eighty.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Seven, seven times out of ten. It works out this way.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
You have to have a tremendous amount of belief in
your gut and your intuition to say, yeah, but this
is probably the eighth time or whatever.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But if I say to my catcher that's all I
care about how he throwing now, he might say, uh,
you know what, time to take him out? Or you
know what, they're not even coming close. Now I can
say to my my pitcher, I'm gonna leave you in
for one I'm gonna let you get out of this gym.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I'm gonna leave you in for one more.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Better.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
That's just feel and trusting your players. That's the only
thing that I would argue or push back on that.
Joe Mizzoula knows we do this really well. Okay, at
what point are we not doing this. Well, we've had
open looks too. That's the crazy part. They're not going
to shoot this poorly the rest of the series. But
then I expect the Knicks to be a little better
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as well.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
Yeah, Paulie, it seems like the NFL is still gut
over analytics. We talk about fourth and ones and stuff,
and you hear coaches from the Bills, well, fourth and one,
you should do this, and they don't. It feels like
NFL coaches do a little more gut than analytics and
tight situation.
Speaker 9 (11:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I think the younger coaching staffs, yes, are going with analytics.
You know that, hey, this is what supposed to do
in this situation. And then you're like really, you know
Harball talks about this or Lafleur. You know, these younger
coaches are like, yeah, we can go for this, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (12:12):
Going back to last night's game, if I'm a Celtics fan,
I'm pulling my hair out because Jason Tatum had a
one on one a couple of times with Brunson or
Og and he could have gone straight to the rim,
and he backed up maybe another five feet to take
a step back three pointer. I'd have been pulling my
hair out now. Normally he makes it, but like you said,
last night was not their night.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I don't want to make it easier for you to
guard me if you know I'm not going to the
hoop and I'm going to be on the perimeter. Now
he has a height advantage, but still I know you're
going to stay on the perimeter. It's such a huge
advantage though, I think for the defense that you're you're
not going to go inside, and that was that was
what was surprising.
Speaker 8 (12:49):
I just need to break up the rhythm here. Yeah, Pauline,
I wonder what an analyst coach would have said. Jalen
Brown missed his first nine threes over nine, then he
hit one when he is over nine, would analytics tell
you to tell him to stop shooting threes and takeing
the wholen't.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yes, I would say go in there and get get found.
Now that's gut.
Speaker 8 (13:08):
Yes, analytics have said Jalen Brown should keep shooting because
based off his history, he's due to hit.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Paul I've never lost a playoff game in my lifetime. Okay,
I've never coached one, but I've never lost one. I've defeated, Yes,
so I know what I'm talking about now. I anytime
that I struggled shooting, I would always think, just get
free throws, like just stop whatever is happening. And I
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think the ability to be able to slow it down
and don't let the Knicks get momentum or get that
feeling of man, we're in this because you took away
that feeling when they were down twenty. You took away
their hope and then all of a sudden you'll allowed
it to come back by missing all these shots and
then all of a sudden Nicks are going, uh, we can.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Win this game. Like the Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I'm watched, I go, okay, they can't stop Joker, all right,
they're doing okay here, okay, all right, they're fouling. Okay,
I don't know about that flaw. We can't uh Gordon
ballgame and sort of how it happened.
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Speaker 2 (15:23):
Doc Emrick is a Hall of Famer and former lead
play by play voice for NBC's NHL Coverage and now
I don't know what kind of play by play you're
doing in retirement. Are you doing any play by play
in retirement?
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Doc?
Speaker 12 (15:37):
Only describing dog walks and occasional visits to the grocery store.
That's pretty much it.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Give me a little bit of that.
Speaker 12 (15:49):
There's milk. It expires on the twenty eighth of May.
I oh, there's the first of June. I'm gonna take
the first of June because it'll last longer.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Okay, all right, So if you're watching hockey, you're not
doing play by play, No, no.
Speaker 12 (16:05):
But I'm sure enjoying it. My goodness, is it great.
We've had some wonderful games to finish up the last
round and it's just spectacular. And I guess I've grown spoiled.
This is what we get every time at this year.
It's why Charles Barkley always talks about sneaking behind the
(16:27):
set when he's doing basketball and watching hockey. It's just engrossing.
It's wonderful, and it's what the sport is all about.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
But you get jealous when you look at these incredible
finishes and like you wish you were doing it.
Speaker 12 (16:43):
No, No, I haven't regretted retirement once. I marvel at
what the guys do that are describing games now, But
the sport is so wonderful. I'm glad I had my
years at it, forty seven in total, but I don't
regret reach hiring the thing. When I was riding buses
in the miners, the one thing that I looked forward
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to was the planes and the big hotels. And by
the time the forty seven years was up and we
were in COVID, the thing that I didn't particularly like
were the planes and the hotels. So I had my
time and it was wonderful. I have so many great memories.
I met a lot of wonderful people, including yourself, and
(17:29):
I'll never forget the day that I was with you
and the dan Netes McLevin was in gold and I
think it was Fritzy who shot on him. He had
a broom. I believe somewhere in the archives there is
tape of that. But those are memories that I have
that I'll always cherish.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
How do you come to the point where you go, now,
I'm going to retire because we see this with athletes.
I'm going to retire from this job in three years.
But you came to that decision did you come to that.
Speaker 12 (18:02):
Well, in any thing where you have a motor skill,
which is in athletics as well, you like to make
your move before somebody makes it for you. And fortunately
with NBC, the hook was not out. But I had
had fifty years covering the sport, and I did forty
(18:24):
years at the NHL. And I think one thing too
that COVID did was just before we took the break
in February of twenty twenty, the league came out with
rules that were very necessary where we couldn't have anyone
between the benches, where we had to be six feet
(18:45):
with a boom mic away from all the coaches and
the players. We could not go into the dressing rooms anymore,
and that was where the fun was for me, In
addition to preparing and doing the games, was actually being
able to learn something more about the players that I
could share with somebody. And so all of those things
sort of came to the foe at once. The numbers
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of forty and fifty were kind of round numbers that
were even, and it seemed like a good time. I
had so many great memories that it was. It was
a great time to be out.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I was going to ask you, what's the first thing
to go on a play by play person and it
sounds like your eyesight was the first thing to go.
Speaker 12 (19:27):
Yeah, I think that would be probably true. You and
I were together in London at the Olympics in twenty twelve,
and the one thing that happened there was that I discovered,
to my chagrin, when I was doing water polo, that
I had cataracts, and so those were removed and my eyesight,
(19:50):
of course immediately got better. But you realize that those
are things that happened with age. But yeah, I don't
know that my eyesight is going, but you realize that
that does happen as you get older. But I think
the thing with me was that the travel was starting
to get to me and I wanted to be home more,
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and all of those things added up to make for
the right decision and to get to watch these games now,
and especially the finishes that we had in the Game
Seven's were you know, the come from behind third periods
in the Game sevens, as well as the come from
(20:30):
behind almost tie last night in Toronto. Those are exciting
and I do envy the guys that are doing the
games now, but I wouldn't want to be there. They
are having the time of their lives doing these games,
and I'm glad for them.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Talking to Doc Emrick, a member of the NHL and
Sports Broadcasting Hall of Fame, if I would have talked
to you twenty years ago and I would have said
to you, you know, Gretzky's goal scoring record is not safe,
you would have said, what.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
You're wrong.
Speaker 12 (21:04):
I would have said, yeah. I would have said, I
agree with you that it's I would I would have
said it's safe. But then we we had Wayne Gretzky
on at the All Star Game in Saint Louis five
years ago and he was asked the question, can Ovechkin
catch you? And he said yes. And here's why. He's
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on a good team that wins a lot of games,
and he's healthy. He rarely gets hurt. This year he did,
but to his credit, he came back a bulldozer and
he wound up eclipsing the record in a marvelous ceremony
that the NHL had on Long Island. But the other
(21:48):
thing is too, the one thing that is often overlooked.
He came into the League of bull in the China
Shop and he would hammer players. He was often the
league leader in hits, and he was again this year.
He never stopped playing his game, and yet he was
the greatest goalscorer of the modern era and now is
(22:10):
the record goal scorer of all time. And a guy
that came in I'll never forget the first time that
we ever had him on our telecast in New Jersey.
Of course, we wanted to interview Alex Ovechkin, and so
he came in and politely sat down, and we had
a technical difficulty on MSG network and we said, Alex,
(22:32):
we're sorry, we can't do the interview. He said, no,
you don't understand. I want to do the interview. And
we told him, no, we can't. We've got a technical
problem in the truck. We can't do it. And so
he got up and left. But he really wanted to
do everything the right way when he first came here.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
If I said you can start your team with Ovechkin
or Crosby.
Speaker 12 (22:58):
I want them both because I want the playmaker and
I want the goals.
Speaker 13 (23:02):
Don okay Crosby, And here's why, because you do need goalscorers.
Speaker 12 (23:15):
I understand that. But Sid is the guy who is
always going to be prepared to play first on last
off is always going to be a playmaker and a
guy that will lead by example. And that's not to
say that Alex's captain does not. We saw what he
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did with Marc Andre Fleury and they were archrivals. Of
course for a long time. He has led by example too.
But here's an here's a story that showed what Alex
has grown into, and it would make that on the
(23:56):
rare on the total of years Sid has done this
in Pittsburgh, but Alex has picked up that slack in
the later years in Washington. I was talking with Barry
Trotz before what turned out to be the last game
that Washington would play before they won the Stanley Cup championship,
(24:16):
and I said, can you retell a story that you
told me earlier in the year about Ovechkin, And so
he did, and so I did tell this at the
end of the playoffs when Washington was winning the Stanley Cup.
It was that summer before and the Capitals had disappointed
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again and Alex was getting married and Barry was invited,
and so he went over to Moscow and attended the wedding.
He was invited to the reception and Barry said, I'm
not going to go to a reception with a bunch
of my hockey players. I'll wait. So he had dinner
with Alex shortly there after, and he said, Alex, I've
(25:03):
got to talk to you seriously about what's coming ahead.
There is a lot of unhappiness in Washington, and there
are people who think it's your fault, and there are
people who think that it's the fault of some of
your teammates. And there is going to be change. You
are going to have to train like you never trained before.
(25:27):
You are going to have to be the first guy
on the ice, and you are going to have to
be this team's leader. It's not pleasant to think about,
but that's what's ahead. That fall, he came in and
scored seven goals in the first two games, and even
though Washington fell behind in their playoff series, they were
(25:49):
rallied and went ahead, and they went on and won
the Stanley Cup. And he's been the great leader ever since.
But Sid has been doing that ever since he came
to Pittsburgh. And so when you forced me into that
corner and the paint is still not dried, I choose Sid.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
What is it like when you know the game can
end at any moment when when you get into sudden
death overtime. So as a play by play guy, what
you know, what is your game plan of how to
call it so you're on time with it or a
little bit ahead of the play as opposed to kind
of cleaning up after that.
Speaker 12 (26:28):
Yeah, you have to be right on it and with that,
and the referees tell me the same thing with that.
You have to be on it. But boy, you've got
to be right and you also have to be in
control of your emotions so that you don't overdo it.
This is about the players. It is not about yourself.
(26:52):
It's not about signature calls or anything else. By the way,
sidestep this for a minute. I need to pay tribute
to the rect Freeze to handle Game seven because those
games were thrilling because of them. They didn't want to
be them in the way. They didn't have a steady
parade to the penalty box because they were there on merit.
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They didn't leave that behind. And they were nervous too,
I'll bet, and you get nervous before and overtime in
a Stanley Cup Game seven. I've had some of those.
But yeah, you need to be on top of it.
You need to be right. And as I heard Larry Coleness,
the caller of the Kentucky Derby interview, you can't have
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an eraser on your tongue. You can't take it back.
And so all of those things go into making this
kind of work exciting. And I always encourage young people
who are interested in it to get into it and
stay into it because it is certainly rewarding in a
great way to make a living. By the way, those
names are West McCauley, danil Roart, Jehanhee Bear and Gord
(27:59):
Dwyer of the four guys and stripes that handled those games.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
What hockey name gave you fits.
Speaker 12 (28:08):
Saragay them cheen off, and it sure shouldn't have. I
was working with Bill Clement and we were doing and
I kept saying them cheam off with an M. And
he said, say, nemenof, nemnoff, nemenoff. You can do it,
can't you? And I said, yeah, I can. And it
came down to where I if I said that over
(28:30):
and over again before the game, that it would it
came out more right than wrong. But it's an imperfect science,
isn't it. I mean, you guys have to talk three
hours in the morning. And it's not totally perfect, I suppose,
but I never did a perfect game. I mean you
talk over and over all the time, and you do
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make mistakes, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
We don't care about getting it right though, Doc. That's
the difference between.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
But you do. Is am.
Speaker 12 (29:01):
I looking at the team that's going to be on
Celebrity Family Feud? Is this the five?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (29:07):
Yeah, okay, you've chosen them.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Uh yeah, for better or for worse? Yes, any advice
on Celebrity Family Feud?
Speaker 12 (29:19):
No. I think you should rely on your experience. And
that's my stat of the day. Oh the number is
eighty nine. The experience that your team has going in
I think will lead you to victory. You have twenty
six years in June, Fritzy will have twenty three, Pauli
(29:41):
has eighteen, Seaton has sixteen, and Marvin has six. That's
a total of eighty nine. You rely on your experience,
and I agree with what you said last week. You're
there to entertain. I mean, it'd be nice if you
could win, but the memory will come from entertaining who
And in gut versus analytics coach, the coach that I
(30:04):
would favor is you, because I think you're going to
go on gut not analytics. Yeah, okay, you guys were
talking last week about Yiannis and his poor free throw percentage.
When I was growing up, I watched Wilk Chamberlain and
he was terrible the foul line. I looked it up.
He was fifty one percent, and I think you guys
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said that's about where Yannis was last week.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Well, yeah, and somebody. I'm sure they tried, but it's
it should be fluid. He doesn't have a fluid free throw.
It's it stops. It's almost like a ladder unfolding, and
that you just you got to make it start from
your legs and go all the way up and follow through,
you know, being a great free throw shooter that you are.
Speaker 12 (30:52):
Well, it's it's a new decade. So if I get
to New York, it's best of three and we will
try it yet again. I like that left hand bookshot
that I see every so often. Is that like the
Kareem skyhook.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
That's fritzy.
Speaker 12 (31:11):
Ah okay, I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
You No no, no, no no, And I'll shoot blindfolded
if you want to.
Speaker 12 (31:20):
Okay, yeah, as long as it's best of three because
we've been postponing this now largely because of my logistics.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
But those are you're retired. I mean, there's a lot
more excuses.
Speaker 12 (31:33):
You're right, right, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
All right, You're welcome to my dojo anytime you want to.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Doc.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Okay, all right, great to catch up with you again,
thanks for joining you.
Speaker 12 (31:44):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
That's the Hall of Famer Doc Emmery.
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Speaker 4 (32:27):
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Speaker 9 (32:31):
He has some angels with him that morning, so you know, glad,
he's you know, fully recovering.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Didn't have any major injuries, so you know, that's all we.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Can pray for what's that phone call? Like early in
the morning.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
It was it was devastating.
Speaker 9 (32:48):
Well it was because I, you know, usually I'll wake
up at four thirty and I go to the Tesla
app to see if, you know, if he's heading home
or if he's at the gym. So his car is
at the gym. So I continue my workout and my
daughter said, what are you doing. I'm like, obviously I'm
working out. He said, you haven't heard your son just
got an accident at the gym. There's like, no, he's
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at the hospital. So I just stopped everything and ran
over there. And then it was like, what the hell
is going on? Like was it his car? What's going on?
And then I realized that the app actually malfunctioned and
I found that out a couple of days later when
he started waking up and off the drugs. But you know,
my thing was making sure there was no broken limbs,
(33:31):
there was no burns, and you know, lucky for him
trapped inside of a car for so long, you know,
it's it's luckily there. You know, there was bystanders that
heard the crash that early in the morning that got him.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Out, but they had to put him in a coma.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
Yeah, because they were he was he was a little
stronger than they they thought, and he was waking up,
you know, going crazy, So they put him in an
induced coma just to get the air.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I guess, you know, was it? Cis said they were
getting a smoke and all of that out.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Of his Yeah, okay, so he I guess he was.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
He was in a car. It looked like about ten
twelve minutes.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Just inhaling that, just in healing that yet. Yeah, all right,
well that's good to hear. And he's still going to
USC of course. Okay, you know he did.
Speaker 9 (34:24):
His sense of humor was still there when he was
waking up and he asked where is he and was
all you had the UCLA hospital and he wrote, tell
muss I'm sorry that I'm at UCLA.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
I'm like, not right now, not right now, So Coach Musselman,
not right now, not with the jokes right now. We're
still a little scared.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
You got to see the documentary, Uh what stood out
to you?
Speaker 9 (34:56):
I thought it was I personally thought it was, you know,
it was it was done good.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You know, explain how they came up with the idea
that they're going to do a documentary called Untold Shooting
Guards and the Double meaning.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Well that that that that's a great title.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
I'm not even gonna lie just you know, for you know,
everything that went on.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
But you know, at first, I wanted to.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
Tell this story to get the real story out there,
but I never wanted to tell it without Javaris aside.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Okay, explain this to our audience, just so they know
what you're talking about.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
You know, So me and Javars, you know, which was
my you know, rook at the time or second year player,
but he was, you know, one of my guys on
the team was playing a card game and I didn't
like the way he was conversating after losing. You know,
he was losing, so I didn't like the tone that
he was saying to the other players. So as a veteran,
(35:55):
as the guy that he, you know, he looked up to,
you know, I checked him, and you know, when you're
losing money, I'm checking you in front of players. That
got into a little altercation, and you know, we challenged
each other. So the challenge was you know you're gonna
shoot me, Well, I want to see you do it.
You know, I was calling this bluff and it wasn't
(36:17):
as drama field as you know, the media made it
seem right.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
It calmed down very quickly.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
But I I you know, you guys got guns at
the card game.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
No, no, no, this is this was that.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
This was at the locker in the locker room, the
card game on a plane from Arizona to Washington, that
long flight and you know they play cards on the game.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
So how much money are we talking about here?
Speaker 9 (36:48):
The pot at the time when I joined was probably
eleven hundred dollars. Oh, but I think he was down
about six grand.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Okay, okay, So when did you guys? How how are
you guys when you get off the plane? And then
when do you know that maybe this is escalating?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
An I'm an.
Speaker 9 (37:08):
Antagonizer, so you know my personality, you can see, I'm
an antagonizer.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
I'm gonna point, I'm gonna poke at you.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
So you know, him losing, I'm poking at the end
of the plane, just poking his buttons. But we did
we did have a day off, so I think we
landed Saturday. We did have Sunday off, and this happened Monday,
where I'm.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Still you know, you know, I want to see if
you're still going to be about your word.
Speaker 9 (37:33):
So I had the guns on his chair and I
wrote a note, you know, pick one, you know.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
To see a tick one of these nice guns to
shoot me with. But I knew he wasn't.
Speaker 9 (37:44):
He couldn't shoot me because there were no bullets for
the gun, right and then you had to go to
Maryland to actually buy bullets, and the chances of them
having a desert egle fifty cow bullet or whatever he
picked wasn't going to be there.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
So I wasn't really scared for my life.
Speaker 9 (38:01):
It was more I'm going to call your your bluff,
let's see what you're gonna do, type of It was
one of those type of type of ordeals, you know,
egotistic stuff that locker rooms go through. I don't know,
on another level, on another level.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I don't I don't know if this happened with other
teams where guys are bringing in guns there but no.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
No, no, the other teams they just getting fistfights.
Speaker 9 (38:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just you know, so you
know it was it was very immature on especially my part,
you know, being the older player on their team. You know,
very immature. But I did, and I I really tried
to correct my wrong as as soon as it happened,
by you know, really taking the blame forward and trying
(38:48):
to see if the media just focused on me and
get away from him.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
When did you know that it was going to be
a bigger story than just a locker room prank?
Speaker 9 (38:58):
When I think when your Vesty got a hold of
it and he wrote the article, you know, ok, corral
inside the Wizard locker.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Room, I was like, oh, sh right, right.
Speaker 9 (39:11):
So it was because before that, you know, I had
it on like the twenty first. So for the most part,
the Washington, the Washington, you know, Will Bond and Born Heizer,
they wasn't touching the story, you know, even though they
heard rumbles of it, right it was like, okay, it's contained. Okay,
let's just go on about our business, you know, let's
not try that again. And you know, once he leaved
(39:33):
the story, it was all hell broke loose after that.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
It's Gilbert Arena's host of Gil's Arena Podcast, three time
NBA All Star with the Wizards, and the documentary Untold
doc It's Untold Shooting Guards.
Speaker 9 (39:51):
I don't know why I liked the title so much,
like it stands out, you know, when you're talking about
putting the doc and you want the views.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
That's a great yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Explain to me the logic of the Celtics last night
that shooters keep shooting. But at what point do you
change up your offensive philosophy? Maybe try to get a two,
maybe go to the hoop, maybe get a free, like anything,
you being a great scorer. After a while, you got
(40:23):
to realize, maybe it's not my night.
Speaker 9 (40:25):
You know, it's the Achille heels of when Celtics do lose,
when they do lose the performance they had last night, Right,
they're going to be ten for sixty, twelve for fifty eight. Right,
you're beatable at that moment in time. Right, you know
a team that's taking a bunch of twos, they're gonna
beat you. You're shooting about one hundred and eighty points
(40:46):
worth of threes, but you got one hundred and five points.
That doesn't even make sense of a winning basketball, you
know team.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
So there has to be someone or some.
Speaker 9 (41:01):
Some strategy of at a certain point let go of
the three point shot in attack, because if you're not
playing a team who also relies on threes, like a
New York Knick team, they're gonna actually beat you.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
You're beatable at that.
Speaker 9 (41:18):
Point when you're making your threes and you're shooting forty
Oh yeah, you're you're you're gonna blow everybody out. But
in a seven game series, you're gonna have two games
like this, right, You're gonna.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Have one and a half games where you're on fire.
So you got to figure out how to.
Speaker 9 (41:34):
Win the games when you're not shooting very well, because
you're gonna automatically give two games to the New York
Knicks just off of just the seven game series on how.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Shooting goes better chance to win their series, the Nuggets
or the Knicks.
Speaker 9 (41:51):
Nuggets when you when you have a guy like Yokic
who can manipulate the game, you know, offensively, just.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Hanging in there.
Speaker 9 (42:06):
It's like yesterday watching the game, Denver wasn't playing well
and it seemed like okay, c was playing very well,
but they were still hanging in there. And as long
as you know, you got five minutes left.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Yoki just down ten.
Speaker 9 (42:23):
You you gotta give it to the guy who's been
there before that, who has three MVPs, who should have
four or five of them. You you gotta you gotta
worry about, you know, someone like him. When it comes
to the New York Knicks, they have Brunson right and
your your small guard is very dominant. But when you're
(42:46):
talking about the overall impact, I think the Celtics themselves
with Jason Tatum, with Brown, with the pedigree of you know,
Drew Holliday and White that's been there. They've won, they've
won golds. You're talking about you know, uh better cast
of just winning. So you know it would it's gonna
be hard for Nicks to pull off this series, but
(43:07):
it is doable.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
It's doable.
Speaker 9 (43:09):
But our edge, you know Denver that if one of
the two is gonna win it, it'd be more like
Denver has a better chance than New York.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
We came up with the Hall of Very Good. This
was years ago. I think I think it was because
of Joe Johnson. We put him in the Hall of
Very Good. He's not a Hall of Famer. We put
him in as a founding father Mount Rushmore of Hall
of Very Good. Not it's not an insult, but like
you could be up for Hall of Very Good.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Okay, right, okay.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Do you accept the nomination of being in the Hall
of very Good.
Speaker 9 (43:41):
Yeah, I accept the nomination of being an NBA player, right,
you know, as you're talking about a small percentage of
people who who who actually go out to play this
game as a youth, and there's only very, very small
percentage that's going to make that.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
So, you know, having a nomine nation of being very
very good, I like that. Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
By the way, it's only one very it's not very
very Just say, okay, some of the players we have
in the Hall of very Good. We have Latrell spree
Will okay, Rip Hamilton, okay. Uh, Let's see who else
(44:25):
do we have on their Pulley Antoine Jamison okay, Penny Hardaway, yes,
very good. It probably gets two varies, give him two
very Who else do we have, Paul.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
About, Jamal Crawford twenty thousand points? Yes, all of very good?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Stephan Malberry Oh, okay, Marbury, Jason Williams.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
White Chocolate. Yeah, I'll give it to him.
Speaker 9 (44:58):
But he's not up bit with the Maulberry when it
comes to statistical okay, because it's you know, the Hall
of famous whole body of work, right, yeah, yeah, okay,
So I mean he'd be Jason Williams to be somewhere below,
you know, someone like.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Me, like the Hall of very white, than he would
be in that.
Speaker 9 (45:18):
Oh yeah, listen guarding him and who he was as
a player, very very good. Okay, you know, so it's
you know, the the NBA career versus the body of
work has two different things. But you know, as a
dangerous player on the court, he was very very good.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
How about cliff Robinson.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
I don't remember Clifford like that.
Speaker 9 (45:39):
I remember just growing up as a child, you know,
you know the Blazers, you know, so I don't remember
you know the details of his career, you know, lou
will you can put in there.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
How about Baron Davis Hall of very good?
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Yeah, I can put the Baron Davis in there.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Okay, who is the best player you played and who's
not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 9 (46:06):
Well, I don't think Jamal is up yet, but I'll
probably say who hasn't is probably Stephan Maulberry. I'm so
confused why he's not actually in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
He was a problem for you.
Speaker 9 (46:18):
Yeah, I think he has a I mean I think
he has the best resume for someone who who hasn't
you know, Chris Weber's in the Hall of Fame, right, yeah, okay, yeah,
you know some of those guys, you know, some of
those guys get in.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Under the radar and you'd be like, wait what.
Speaker 9 (46:38):
Jalen Rose, Yeah, general was very good, haul of very good,
haul of very good.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Jermaine O'Neill.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Yeah, oh yes, yeah, no, yes, Jermaine is not in
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
Oh then Jermaine. I'll put Jermaine number one. Oh, you know,
guy a guy who was.
Speaker 9 (46:58):
Like the reason I'll put him in front of like
somebody like Jamal Tinsley, a Jalen Rose type, is because
he was a main player.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
He was the go to guy. He was a franchise player,
so you.
Speaker 9 (47:11):
Know, the franchise guy, a guy who had to carry
you know, the low that's Jermaine O'Neill. He should be
in the Hall of Fame. He's probably the best one
that's not there.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
I can't put Jamal Tinsley in the Hall of Very Good.
Speaker 9 (47:23):
No, I mean no, he didn't have the NBA career
to be there. But he was a really good player. Okay,
probably one of the unguardable guys during the during the
years where we trapped the basketball and picked up full court. Yeah,
it was probably the only guy that it didn't work against.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Really.
Speaker 9 (47:40):
Yeah, his composure during traps and his dribbling skills wasn't
fast at all, wasn't quick at all, never gotten rid
of the ball.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
He just toyed with everyone during full court traps.
Speaker 9 (47:55):
And it was kind of embarrassing to the points like,
let's just bring it back like he's he's.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
This is pointless.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
So once again it's the Hall of very good you're
in congratulate about a roundom of plause.
Speaker 9 (48:09):
Yeah, I appreciated guy.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah, I'll take.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Him out all accolates I can get.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Hey, but is your speech gonna resemble Michael Jordan's at
the Hall of Fame when he made fun of everybody?
Speaker 3 (48:25):
No, no, you're an agitator. You just told me you
like to pull up.
Speaker 9 (48:30):
But when you're Michael Jordan, you get to make fun
of everybody. You get to let everybody know how great
you are when you are the top.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
Don data of course.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
So you would have felt honored if he made fun
of you.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
Yes, I'll be just like Charles Barkley he called me.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
I'm honored I'm glad your son's doing well, and good
luck with the documentary, and of course congrats on the podcast.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Oh, thank you, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
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