June 5, 2025 • 41 mins
DP reacts to Adam Silver revealing potential changes to the NBA All-Star Game. Will a USA vs. the World format incentivize players to play harder? Colorado Rockies PxP voice Jack Corrigan describes what it’s like to commentate games during a historically bad season and shares how he holds onto hope for a brighter future in Denver. NBA reporter Tim MacMahon breaks down the potential ASG change and shares why he believes the firing of Tom Thibodeau wasn't a sudden move.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
So you're saying they have a chance. Come on in
Dan and the Danis dan Patrick Show. NBA Finals tonight.
And the Pacers are a historical underdog against the thunder
not just in game one, whether nine and a half
point underdog started out at nine, but the entire series.
We'll talk about that coming up. The Oilers in overtime,
(00:27):
they go up one to zero in the Stanley Cup
Final against Florida. They're down three goals, and I went,
Florida will not give up the lead. They will not
lose this. They're Florida. They don't do this. They're the
defending champs. They got all this experience. But you can't
stop Leon Dreisidel. You can only hope to contain him.
And it sounded like this last night.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Out of the park, sharp Chin Hopkins, whit.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Where's the cam?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It's great, It was great, but it went, you know,
they're down three, and then I went, oh boy, uh
it was three to one, and then I go, oh boy,
they're not going to come back from this. And because
I just thought, you know, Florida, that's they're built like this.
They do the they come, they have the comebacks. But
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give credit Edmonton. That was a lot of fun. And uh,
on your home ice and you're down three to one
and you start to go, no, here we go again,
all right? Age seven seven three DP show email address
DP at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show.
By the way, it was Connor McDavid to Leon dry Sitle.
We only mentioned Leon dry Sidle when we get to
(01:46):
the postseason. It's one of the three best hockey players
in the world, so I'm told, And Connor McDavid is
the best hockey player, maybe the most talented hockey player
of all.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Time, or so I'm told. Yeah, Paul, it's.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Such a funny thing that people don't see during our
commercial breaks. You walk around here any time of year.
It could be summer, it could be winter, and you
just godle yes, you screaming like there's a goal happening.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
And then Seaton has the Leon dry Sidle goal scoring
voice down is.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Not an actual call, not an actual call.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It's pretty close thing, uh, Leon Dreich title. Yeah, all right, so,
uh hockey last night? You got basketball coming up tonight.
My Rockies have won three in a row. I said
to Fritzi. I said, reach out to the Rockies play
by play voice, Jack Corgan.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Let me see if we could get Jack on.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Now, this is before they went on the three game
winning streak, and I'm like, have you mo on?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
What's it like to go to the ballpark knowing that
your team is probably going to lose and you don't
want to bring your work home? But how do you
not bring your work home if you're the voice of
the Colorado Rockies. Well, they've won three in a row,
So I guess I'm their good luck charm because Jack Corgan,
the Colorado Rockies play.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
By play voice, will join us well. So check in
with Tim McMahon covering the NBA Finals for the mother Ship.
Case you care for entertainment purposes, I mentioned the over
or the point spread was Pacers are getting nine and
a half, Shay Gilgas, Alexander over under, Marvin.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
I'll start with you thirty one and a half, all right,
Paul twenty nine and a half, Todd twenty eight and
a half, Seaton thirty two point five, thirty three and
a half, thirty three and a half, and in case
you're wondering, Tyrese Halliburton over under.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Paul twenty five and a half, Marvin.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Twenty three and a half, Todd twenty six and a half.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Seaton seventeen and one half. Whoa bloo, Tyrese Haliburton is
not their score. Let's Pasco and Siakam and EVP. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Tyrese Haliburton, by the way, didn't make the All Star team,
but he did make the Olympic team. You know when
you talk about star power and you're like, okay, you
know SGA, SGA of course, MVP and scoring champ, all
the different things that have gone to him this season.
But Tyrese Halliburton, who had a great month and a half,
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he was not an All Star this year. The commissioner
of the NBA, Adam Silver, was on Fox Sports One
and he brought up what we've been bringing up for
quite some time now, and I think they're going to
do it the All Star Game format next.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Year as part of our new media deals. The All
Star Game returns to NBC where.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
It was when we were younger.
Speaker 7 (04:38):
And it so happens that next season will be smack
in the middle of the Winter Olympics. Some in fact,
that the game will be on NBC and the very
day we're on, they'll be the lead in will be
winter Olympic events, and then coming out of the All
Star Game, which is not going to be in the
afternoon stad of the evening, there'll be more Olympic events.
So what better time to feature some form of USA
against the world. I'm not exactly sure what the format
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will be yet. I mean, obviously paid a lot of
attention to what the NHL did, but also you know,
going back, you know last summer, our Olympic competition was
a huge success.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, and I think the commissioner admitted that he saw
the you know, four nations with hockey and the excitement
that you had with that, and you know, the United
States against Canada certainly helps.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
But this is what I've been pushing for. What else
are you going to do here?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I don't want it to devolve into what you know,
the NFL's All Star Game is, you know, the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I don't. I don't want that.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I do like the skills competition, some of the skills competition,
but let's try it. Let's just see you're going to
get at least some kind of competitiveness. You'll have certainly pride,
and that's all we care about. When you watch, you
want to know if they care, then all care. But
if you watch and you realize they don't care, then
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I don't. But this, I'd be curious just to see
how the rest of the world reacts. Now, Team USA
might not get caught up in this until they lose
the All Star Game, and then it might get a
little momentum. The Team USA would probably well, they will
have a deeper roster, but they won't have the best
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players because the best players are not from the United States.
The starting five from around the world will be better
than the starting five from Team USA. But I want
to see what happens as the game goes along, because
that's when you start to get the competitive and this
is down through history where you get guys that maybe
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didn't care as much, but then they cared because the
game was on the line. Hopefully you have that. And
I don't know what Plan B is going to be
to spice up the All Star Game, but to me,
it's a glorified layup line and I'd like to see
just a little bit. I'd like to see a little
bit of competent, that's all.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, Martin, Well, Pride from who like I'm not sure
if Joker and Luca care whether the world beats us.
They care about Slovenia winning.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, but you're representing your country, are they?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I mean, you're it's us against the world and you know,
or it's it's them against the United States. I mean,
I think and it says a lot of where basketball
has come, where it was around the world to where
it is now. You could go toe to toe with
the best players, and that says something about what the
Dream Team and the impact that the Dream Team had.
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So yeah, I think there's pride because remember all those
teams that got slaughtered by the Dream Team, and those
countries said, okay, now we know what we have to do.
We've we measured ourselves against the best best team ever assembled.
Now we can go back and they have these academies.
Now it was important. It's important to all these countries.
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And I would think, you know, Canadian basketball, we don't.
We never talked about Canada with basketball, but Vince gets there.
I mean, you have Steve Nash there. All of a sudden,
you get a trickle down effect and we don't look
at Canada and say, oh, he's a basketball player.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
From Canada.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I mean, sga, he went to Kentucky. Nobody goes, oh,
he's from Canada.
Speaker 8 (08:21):
Yeah, yes, he yeah, I kind of I'd see what
Marvin is saying that, you know, I don't know that
I think that Americans view it everything as America and
the rest of the world. But I don't know that
the rest of the world just sees themselves as one
big thing that's not American, you know. So I think
that there's a lot more pride if you take a
Serbian guy, I think being Serbian means a hell of
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a lot to him, you know, and representing Serbia means
a lot more than just being lumped in with the
rest of the guys from the world.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
But if they're not forced to play against the Team USA.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
But if that's that's the way the format's going to be,
then I think there's going to be that pride of
what are how far our countries have come, how far.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
The world has come. At least that's what I'm hoping for,
you know. Maybe it's maybe it's just me rooting for
something that something interesting. Yes, just please, just please care.
You gonna love this, You're gonna love this.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Come on that fun Hey, Luca Lucas Luca, put the
beer down. Okay, now I want you to really care
about this. Put the hookah down, Yes, Marmon.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
The pressure is gonna be on those second tier guys
from the international squad that make the team that didn't
deserve to be All Stars. They have to play hard
because Adam Silver's gonna be like, why are you eating.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Herese guys are gonna play hard.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
They better and they better play well.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Team USA's got the pressure on them because.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
If Jalen Brown or Jason Tatum come in as a
second string guy and tear Josh Giddy apart, like oh
my god.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Yes, do we get Shay Gildess Alexander?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yes, okay, so it's Canada.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Okay, so it's North America ver International, it's.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
The United States versus the world. Yeah, so we don't
get That's why I asked.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
I said, do we get Shake Gildes Alexander or did
they get Oh?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
No, they do them. Okay, Yeah, yeah it's Canada. We don't.
We haven't gotten Canada yet because.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
He went to high school. Yeah, two years of high
school in America doesn't matter. I thought maybe we could
acquire Shake Gildess.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
No, no, no, no, no, it's it's the United States
and then everybody else. He went to college in the
United States. That doesn't matter. He's from Canada. Steve Nash
wants to come out of retirement. He can play for
Team Canada.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
They might need him.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, Leo Routins, remember Leo was It wasn't he the
first guy it felt like from Canada that We're like, hey,
Leo Routins, man from Canada played at Syracuse.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
It was his number thirteen.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
But that's so random.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Leo Routins and he's one of the first great shooting
big men.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
And you're right about that. Yeah, but I do like that.
I do like that.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You know, here we had the possibility of something to watch.
I mean, I wouldn't watch normally, but this I'll watch.
Adam Silver also talked about comparing the NBA Finals to
the super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
That's one thing I really admire about the NFL. I mean,
if if we were going into a Super Bowl and
it was Packers against Steelers, you guys would be celebrating that.
Nobody would. Those would be storied franchises. People wouldn't be
talking about the fact that Pittsburgh is a small market.
So I'm happy whatever team ends up in the finals.
But it's been intentional from our standpoint to create a system,
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a collective bargaining agreement that allows more teams to compete.
And just by way of background, you know we're going
to have to go through a process of getting to
the point where people are accustomed to tuning into the
finals because the two teams that deserve to be there
and it's the best basketball. Similar to again with the
super Bowl. If I asked somebody they were going to
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watch the super Bowl, they wouldn't say who's playing. It's
a national holiday.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Well.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Also what hurts that analogy is if it was one game, okay, now,
there would be greater interest because you don't know how
it goes for a couple of weeks. Super Bowl is
one game, one and done. That's why we love March Madness.
It's one and done. With the you know, World Series
or playoffs best of seven, the NBA Finals best of seven,
(12:24):
if you add one game tonight, I'd love to know
what that audience, what what would be the estimated audience
no matter who's playing. But if you're watching and you
know the championship will be decided so that and plus,
you know NFL fans, your fandom is passed down from
generation to generation to generation. So if you say Pittsburgh
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and Green Bay, how far does that go back with
your fandom? Okay, see how far does that go back?
Not too far. I don't think Seattle Supersonic fans are
going man, let me tell you the days about Okay,
I mean, nobody cares Pacers. A great basketball tradition with
the ABA, but you know, football is just different because
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it's one game a week. It's so important. One game
and then you get six days to talk about it.
Then one game and everybody plays every game, and then
you're going to play for a championship and it's one game.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
That's why it's a national holiday, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
And in the NFL, the Super Bowl matchup isn't important
no matter who it is we're watching. Yeah, like with
the MLB last year Yankees Dodgers, Oh thank goodness. Yeah,
because I couldn't do Royals Giants. Yeah, So it doesn't
matter in the NFL what the matchup is, especially with
two story franchises like Green Bay and Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, I mean, and that's the magic of the NFL.
That's the power of the NFL. We watch, you know,
Thursday night, it could be Carolina against Tampa Bay. All right,
if you can figure out how to find Amazon, then
you'll watch that.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
But you know, football is different. We gamble on football.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
There's fantasy with football, and that's it's just it's a behemoth.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
All right.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well take a break here. Todd has a song about
these small market teams.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Okay. I didn't know anybody asked for that.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Nobody asked for that.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Oh they didn't, okay at all. I just wanted to
make sure that it did. Somebody on the other side say, Todd,
why don't you whip up a small market song for
the two teams in the NBA?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Find that is some of that just did not happen.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Okay, So how about we take a break?
Speaker 9 (14:34):
Is that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
We probably share?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Okay, but you can get ready.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
You're probably stay and break while I'm saying the song
should be a break.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Have you rehearsed this song?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
No, I just read it to myself a couple of times.
I wrote it yesterday before the show. You're going to
do it yesterday or todays?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
What I love about you? No preparation? Do you need music.
Do you need anything that we can You know, Marvin's
going to do a little work here For.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
The average person, music would be an enhancement and help
the singer. I've proven that it actually hurts me in
some way that I can't stay with the tune.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Okay, just mess up with that is too, That is true.
You can't carry you too.
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Speaker 2 (16:15):
It's a de fritzie. We should reach out to the
Colorado Rockies. We've been talking about them. They were off
to a historically bad start. The run differential as on
pace for an all time high, and they were going
into Miami. And so if Todd reached out to Jack Corrigan.
He's been the play by play voice for the Rockies
for twenty three years, so he's had the highs and
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the lows and the very lows, and then all of
a sudden, the Rockies win three in a row against Miami. Jack,
I don't want to take credit for it, but I'll
take credit for it. How would you explain this week
so far?
Speaker 11 (16:52):
You know, first of all, great to be with you, Dan,
enjoy your show. I've enjoyed your work for a long time,
a couple of Ohio guys, So you know that's a
good thing. Well, the most obvious aspect of it is
if you had looked at the Rockies' first fifty games
from college football strength of schedule, they had the toughest
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strength to schedule. I mean they played all the first
and second place teams, and so that was an immediate
challenge for a team that's in the process of trying
to remake themselves. And so when they played the Marlins
the past three days, it was the first time in
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five weeks that they had played a team below five hundred,
and so they were able to match up a little better.
It's still going to be a challenge because of where
they are talent wise, but at least we'll thank the
Dan Patrick Show forgetting the Rocky three wins.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
But going to work, and you know, baseball is about hope,
and we always, you know, have hope for our team,
and everybody thinks they can win in spring training. But
you're going there every single day and you know, chances
are we're going to lose. How do you approach your
job and try to keep that momentum, enthusiasm, excitement, and
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hope up every single game.
Speaker 11 (18:26):
That's a great question.
Speaker 9 (18:27):
You know.
Speaker 11 (18:28):
I was fortunate, kind of in a backhanded way, if
you will, when I started with the Indians back in
nineteen eighty five. Three of my first seven seasons covering
the Indians, they lost more than one hundred games. And
so I learned early on in my play by playtime,
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if you will, to really compartmentalize. The great Joe Tate,
May he rest in peace, who was my first baseball partner,
an outstanding basketball announcer in the Basketball Hall of Fame
for his work with the Cavaliers. Joe said to me,
he goes Baseball's one hundred and sixty two chapter book.
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All you do is worry about the chapter that night.
And maybe one of the best things he said, you know,
you can be an awful team and you're gonna still
win fifty sixty games. So you tell yourself, well, tonight's
one of the nights we're gonna win. You get all excited,
you do it, and and then if you don't win,
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you leave the ballpark feeling even better because your odds
a just improved by a game that you're still gonna
win fifty to sixty.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Do you bring it home with you when you lose?
Speaker 11 (19:45):
No, Well, my wife might disagree with that. I think
I've learned to separate it. I mean, I'll feel it.
You know, I was a college athlete and I've always
been competitive. So when you aren't winning, yes, it does
impact on you because you build a relationship with those
players and coaches. But again, that's the beauty of baseball,
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Dan is the next day you start over again, and
who knows this is a game that day where Pal
Freeland's going to go seven innings and pitch great like
you did yesterday for the Marlins, or Hunter Goodman hits
a couple of home runs. And so that's what fortifies you,
if you will.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I know, you don't want to bite the hand that feeds.
But how did the Rockies get in this situation?
Speaker 11 (20:37):
Well, I think you can certainly look at where they
are in terms of they have to be a draft
and develop team. You're not going to get a free
agent pitcher to come and pitch at altitude.
Speaker 9 (20:50):
It's just that simple.
Speaker 11 (20:51):
So you're from a pitching perspective, especially, you have to
draft and sign international players that give you a chance.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
On the mound. And through a number of years of
rolling the dice and.
Speaker 11 (21:09):
Missing in the draft with players or having injuries happen,
I think they have struggled to keep up in terms
of depth of talent. Dan, I believe they need to
fortify their scouting department. They need more scouts out on
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the road, They need more coaches on the road. You know,
the Rockies have, for example, that they're low A team,
they have three coaches.
Speaker 9 (21:43):
Well, when I started with.
Speaker 11 (21:45):
The Indians in eighty five, the low A team had
three coaches. And the way the game is now, you
need more than that, and a lot of teams are
doing that.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
So the ownership is not committed.
Speaker 11 (21:59):
In that regard. It does not appear to be that way,
I will I would certainly agree with you on that.
That's the challenge that maybe this year finally pushes them
over the precipice, if you will, and they spend some
money in that regard. They do have some good young
talent in the system, but again, probably not enough to
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overcome the misses and the injuries. And that's the result.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Twelve and fifty.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Do you care how bad you know, like the White
Sox historically bad, and like, if you guys are going
to be bad, do you want to be historically the
worst team in baseball history?
Speaker 11 (22:41):
That's a great question, I mean, and sometimes i'd say
that to people with a bit of humor. You know, hey,
if we're going to have a bad season, let's make
it historic. I remember talking with Lenn Casper, who does
the White Sox. Lenny a great broadcasters season as they
were going through it, and he says, hey, you just
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it is what it is, and you hope that something
changes out of it. And so I guess out of
this year, Dan, you know, you hope that it does Finally.
I don't think it'll be any kind of seismic change,
but you hope there's some kind of change to.
Speaker 9 (23:21):
Not go through this again.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, you brought up the point I was going to
bring up. Do you reach out to fellow announcers who
have gone through this, because I can't imagine. You know,
you got to sit there, You got to sit there
and call it and it's right in front of you.
And but hey, you guys are only twenty five games
behind the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
So it was twenty seven a week ago, Jack, that's
that's right.
Speaker 11 (23:46):
We're making progress. The one thing out of that and
Lennon and I talked to Lan Casper and I talked
about that last year. The advantage with radio is you
have to be so descriptive, so you who can use that.
I think it's harder on the TV side, where you're
not doing all that basic description. The video provides that,
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so you end up talking more conversationally.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
That's the challenge.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I think, keep your head up, keeper sense of humor,
and I think you're going to need it. Jack here
in the second half of the season.
Speaker 11 (24:26):
Well, Dan, I appreciate the chance to visit with you,
and you know, it's still a great job. Forty years
of them letting me go to the ballpark and paying
me for that.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
I'm doing Okay, it's Jack Corgan.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 4 (24:51):
Tim McMahon he's the author of The Wonder Boy, Luka
Doncic and the Curse of Greatness, but he'll be covering
the NBA Finals Why is It, the Stanley Cup Final
and the NBA Finals Tim, Howdy.
Speaker 9 (25:06):
Dan, I am not qualified for any discussion part copies,
but I'm just gonna focus purely on basketball.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
And wait, this is just grammar, Tim, This isn't just
also not qualifying as a writer, You're not qualified to.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Talk about grammar.
Speaker 9 (25:23):
Those are for editors.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Okay, Pacers are overwhelming underdogs, historically large underdogs.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Why, I mean, the simple.
Speaker 9 (25:34):
Reason is because the Thunder are really really good. You know,
the Thunder are a team that won sixty eight games
this regular season with the best point differential in NBA history.
You know, obviously they were challenged by the Nuggets in
the second round, but other than that, they've cruised through
the playoffs. And I mean this is they've had four
thirty plus point wins during the playoffs, something that that's
never happened in a single postseason.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
Rue.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
I don't think it's it's a disrespect thing toward the Pacers. Obviously,
the Pacers warrant team that people expected to see in
the finals, got off to the slow start. They're four seed.
They earned their way here. But I look at the
odds more as a nod to just have dominant the
Thunder have been in any kind of knock against the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I think a lot of this, though, is brand awareness
that we look at the Pacers. People didn't watch the Pacers.
People are just you know, being introduced to the Pacers.
And really the same thing for OKC. Because if I,
let's say I put the Knicks in there against OKAC,
would it be you know, would the odds to win
a championship be this large of a margin here? Would
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we factor in the Knicks that somehow they're the Knicks,
they'd have a better chance than the Pacers.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
I mean, honestly, I maybe only because of the way
the money works in Vegas, but I don't think the
Knicks would have had a better chance to beat the Thunder.
I mean, the best team won that series in versus
New York. That KNX defense, it's that transition defense. It
was getting just obliterated by Tyres Halibert and Pascal Siakam
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was not going to stand up very well against the Thunder.
You know, sloppies nixt Row with the ball, and then
that was going to be a pretty big problem against
the Thunder. So maybe the odds would have been better
in the sense of gambling. Yeah, in the sense of
actually having a chance to win the series. I would
say absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Tom Thibodeau was fired because.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
Because he is a polarizing figure internally, there was a
pretty large faction within that front office that wanted to
get him fired a while ago and finally got its way.
You know, if you're gonna fire a coach after a
conference finals run, if you're going to fire a coach
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who has made the playoffs four straight years and you know,
has had the success that the Thibodeau's had four franchise
that's gone a quarter century without sniffing any kind of
real success, you better get the next hire right. It's
an awful high bar that you're trying to clear with
your next hire here. But you know, TIB's got fired
because TIBs tends to wear people out, and he wore
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out a certain amount of people who were able to
get their way.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Do you think they know who they're hiring?
Speaker 9 (28:15):
I don't. I don't. I think they certainly have some
strong ideas. Whether their targets are going to be attainable
remains to be seen. But you know, this is the
kind of deal, honestly, where if you're going to fire TIBs,
it would make sense that you know, who the next
hire is, you know, a boom boom type of thing.
(28:36):
I certainly don't get that sense, you know, But of
course the Knicks keep you guessing, because why would you
possibly consider having a press conference after making this kind
of major franchise decision. You know, just you know, just
just hide in your little every tower and don't speak
to the unwashed media masks. Is that's the last thing
that you would want to do when you're going to
make a decision to fire a coach and awake up
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a conference final drum? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Uh, and I'd gotten to win yesterday that, Yeah, I
didn't know the acrimony inside, but then I was. I
was enlightened yesterday, And it's wild that you have. It's
almost like he was he was winning his way into
keeping his job. I don't would he have been fired
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if they went to the NBA finals?
Speaker 9 (29:23):
Who knows, But you know, it's funny that Tips makes
an adjustment during the conference finals to use Delon Wright,
to use Landyr Shaman to kind of extend the rotation,
and it works, and then it's used against him because
it was like, c you should have been playing these
guys the whole season. See, you're so stubborn, you refuse
to do what we were trying to get you to do,
and it was the right thing all along. So I
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don't know if he would have been fired if they'd
have made the finals. Obviously we'll never know. I just
do know that it's not like this was out of nowhere.
There had certainly been people who were trying to get
Tids out of there for a while now, going back
before the season even started.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, and you give him a contract extension last July.
It's almost as if, now, Okay, this may sound crazy,
and I was told this yesterday, what if Leon Rose,
who was Tibbs' former agent who's now his boss, wanted
to take care of Tibbs, if in fact he got fired,
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that you get him this contract extension, because why else
would you give him a contract extension if there's already
people in the building who do not like him and
his style.
Speaker 9 (30:32):
Yeah, and it is also one of those things where
you know, when a coach is going into the last
year of his contract, you either extend him or fire him.
That's just kind of the way it is THEBA. You
can't have or you can't But it's a really bad
idea to have a guy that everybody knows is a
laying duck as the head coach. But I see where
you're going with at I don't think it's a terrible
(30:53):
conspiracy theory. I'm listen. I don't know that this was
Leon Rose's decision. I know that publicly in the little
short statement that they sent out that he accepted the
responsibility for the decision. I think this was more a
Dolen decision. And you know, people working around Leon Rose.
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I do know that Leon Rose has held off the
angry mob within the within the Knicks front office before.
But again, they can say what they want a statement.
They don't have to have a press conference, they don't
have to explain their decision. I just don't understand how
that benefits the Knicks whatsoever, to just leave people wondering
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what the hell is going on.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Tim mcmahony, ESPN NBA reporter he will be there tonight
for a Sports Center. Also the book The Wonder Boy,
Luka Doncic and the Curse of Greatness. The commissioner said
yesterday on Fox Sports that he is entertaining the world
versus the ullstars from the United States. I'm wondering, you know,
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we saw how important and the Olympics were too joker,
and you of course wrote the book on Luca playing
for the rest of the world as opposed to playing
for your country in the Olympics. I'm curious about the
pride you think that the team World would have against
the United States.
Speaker 9 (32:18):
Yeah, and this is certainly a way that they're trying
to make the All Star Game more competitive. I can
see that, But look at the All Star rosters from
last year. Is it going to be eighteen on six
or you're just going to say, hey, sorry Americans, but
there's going to be twelve international All Stars regardless of qualifications.
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You get twelve stars for the Americans, twelve for the World,
and look, obviously the top end talent. You know, you
know how many straight MVPs have been won by international players.
There's no question that there are you know, a handful
of international superstars. But I think this idea is half baked.
If it's got to be even international versus World regardless
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of who actually earns a trip to the All.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Star Game, well it might be half big, but I
know that the current format isn't baked at all. It
doesn't even get in the oven like well, I'm heating
up the I'm preheating here for something.
Speaker 9 (33:15):
Yeah, and then you get into the discussion of Okay,
are is the All Star Game to honor the best
players in the league that season or is it an
an entertainment showcase? You know, it's funny. I feel like
the NBA All Star Game is the only one that
people really whine and cry about the competitive nature. Like what,
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I don't even know what they're doing in the Pro
Bowl now? Is it like flag football or something like that? Seriously,
I don't know, but nobody cares, right this idea that
is some kind of a crisis because you know, guys
aren't diving on the floor for loose balls during the
All Star Game. I don't really understand it. Then again,
I'm a guy who I cash in my air on
miles and Hotel points and taking my wife on vacation
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every All Star weekends. What do I care?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Okay, But I think that if Kobe was playing, or
Mike was playing, or Larry Magic playing today, what the
All Star Game look the way the All Star Game looks.
Speaker 9 (34:10):
I mean it's fair, it's a fair point. I just
think it's it gets way too much like attention and
concern about, like, there's bigger problems in the NBA than Hey,
the Alfar games, just guys like dunking the ball and
jacking up forty footers like there to me forward about
the competitive nature of the NBA, Let's start with the
(34:31):
fact that even though you've flattened the lottery odds and
it blew up and some teams faces that you've still
got tank a palooza down the stretch of a regular season.
I'm much more worried about the competitive nature of March
and early April basketball than I am. Some weekend in
a random city in February, I.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Was watching you guys on the podcast yesterday and the
Hoop Collective, and you guys were talking about Utah, where
Danny Ainge's son is now going to run the Utah Jazz,
And you know, he spent whatever fourteen years with the Celtics,
but he was asked about basically, are you going to tank,
you know, this upcoming season? He said, no, not this season,
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as if it probably happened last season and it just
didn't work out. So he's kind of admitting, I think
they tanked last year, but we're not going to tank
this year.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
Well, I mean, I think it's gonna be hot in
Texas this summer. I'm gonna go ahead and admit that, Yeah,
some things are just playing his day. They absolutely tanked
last year. And what Austin names said, I don't have
the exact quote in front of me, but basically what
he said is we're not going to be manipulating minutes
to lose games this year. They're not going to be
inventing injuries. I mean, they're injured report. If you opened
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it up on your phone, you had to scroll down
a few screens on a regular basis, you know, like
it was ridiculous, and they were fine for tanking, Like
they blatantly tanked, got the worst record league and ended
up in the most likely scenario, which was the fifth
overall pick, which was both the worst case to and
most likely scenario. And then you get into I know,
(36:05):
within that franchise there's discussions about, hey, the way we
approach this season like dank and you know, you hear
the euphemism for player development, but what they did, it's
done the growth of young players on the roster. These
guys need to be put in situations where they're playing
to win the game. If you're trying to develop, so
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you're just punning on the growth of like they had
like seven guys under twenty three years old, and then
then you know, your odds aren't that much better for
the number one pick. Then if you finish sixth or
seventh or with the sixth or seventh worst record. Now
the wibber room that he left is they're not going
to do that. But let's see what their transactions look like.
You know, they just very well could have a roster
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next year going into it where look, they're gonna play
as hard as they can, they're gonna try to win games,
and they're gonna end up, you know, twenty two and
sixty or whatever be pretty close to the same situation that.
My guess is it probably ends up looking something like that.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
More likely the series goes four games or seven games.
Speaker 9 (37:06):
I mean, I think that the the data would tell
you four games. I'm just going to say, I don't
think a Rick Carlisle team is getting swept. And you know,
Rick Carlisle has out coached a legendary coach in the
finals before a legendary young coach, right, a guy who
(37:27):
became a legend, Eric Spolster's Uh. You know that that
Miami Super Team's first finals, that the Dallas matteris did
not have the better team. They were playing better at
the time. But Rick Carlisle cooked up some magic during
that series, you know, and his coaching staff. But I'm
just saying, I know that Mark Dagnall expects to have
his hands full with the coaching matchup, and I think
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that is the PACER's best chance to make this a
real series. And I say out of a lot with
a ton of respect for Dagenhaal, who's been a Coach
of the Year, who's done an unbelievable job at Oklahoma City.
The Carlisles as good as it gets in terms of
game the game, you know, even even half to half
in game adjustments during the playoff series.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
How many Air Jordans did you pack?
Speaker 9 (38:11):
Let's see, I think there are eight Jordans, Uh, some
Air Force ones, a pair of Blazers, and some good
old trusty Stance Smiths just for the other day kick runtries.
Also have some Sabrina ones. Dan, you'll appreciate this. We've
got a uh, we've got a pickup run uh here
in Okay see a Friday night pick up run and
I'm told there will be another one in Indy, so
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I packed my Sabrina ones. You know, I can't wear
current NBA signature shoes, but I could certainly support the
w n B A.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
And we didn't play against each other, did I don't
think you were covering the NBA when the when the
Bulls in the nineties.
Speaker 9 (38:47):
No, I was playing high school basketball back then.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Oh, because we used to play pick up and uh
with the media. So I remember Jackie McMullen was on
my team and we're playing against Rick Buker.
Speaker 9 (39:01):
And uh, so I have to pick up running packed
also packed some icy hots.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
So who is the best media basketball player?
Speaker 9 (39:11):
You're talking to him now, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
There's are you a joker?
Speaker 9 (39:15):
Are you? It's a wide spectrum. There's the pick and
watch is certainly a big part of okay.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Where would Steven A. Smith be picked if there was
a media pickup game?
Speaker 9 (39:31):
I don't know. He's welcome to show up on Friday
night and find out, though, you know, I've never I've
seen the man take some jumpers in in dress shirts,
but I've I've never seen him play.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
He might not get picked. Oh yeah, he get picked
you think.
Speaker 9 (39:45):
He get picked. Yeah, I'll say you as the best,
the best media guy, it's Chris haynes is in that conversation.
He played cossetball. But the thing about Haynes is his
version of a pass is a missp feeling that see
would be similar in that regard. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Uh, and Peter Vessy's too old to play anymore.
Speaker 9 (40:08):
Now we've got some dudes though. I'll give a shout out.
There's a dude, Daniel Bell, who's a local radio guy
here in Okay see about six two twenty, a decade
and a half younger than me. It's he's been my
match up during the conference finals. This dude hit like
six Dirk one leers from the mid range in my row.
Speaker 11 (40:27):
I listen.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
I am not like I've always said, the most overrated
thing about sports is sportsmanship. And if you watch me
play old man pick up with my two inch vertical,
you can it's reflected in my performance in my in.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
My uh, you know disposition, can Brian wind Horse play.
Speaker 9 (40:45):
Wind Horse? I think he's gonna have a movie night
on Friday night. B Tims claims he's going to get
out there, but you know, bomb, he's one of those guys.
When a dude shows up and running shoes for the
pickup run, you know he's got no game.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah, thank you, Tim, have fun tonight, Appreciate it. That's
a Tim McMahon
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
So you're saying they have a chance. Come on in
Dan and the Danis dan Patrick Show. NBA Finals tonight.
And the Pacers are a historical underdog against the thunder
not just in game one, whether nine and a half
point underdog started out at nine, but the entire series.
We'll talk about that coming up. The Oilers in overtime,
(00:27):
they go up one to zero in the Stanley Cup
Final against Florida. They're down three goals, and I went,
Florida will not give up the lead. They will not
lose this. They're Florida. They don't do this. They're the
defending champs. They got all this experience. But you can't
stop Leon Dreisidel. You can only hope to contain him.
And it sounded like this last night.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Out of the park, sharp Chin Hopkins, whit.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Where's the cam?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It's great, It was great, but it went, you know,
they're down three, and then I went, oh boy, uh
it was three to one, and then I go, oh boy,
they're not going to come back from this. And because
I just thought, you know, Florida, that's they're built like this.
They do the they come, they have the comebacks. But
(01:25):
give credit Edmonton. That was a lot of fun. And uh,
on your home ice and you're down three to one
and you start to go, no, here we go again,
all right? Age seven seven three DP show email address
DP at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show.
By the way, it was Connor McDavid to Leon dry Sitle.
We only mentioned Leon dry Sidle when we get to
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the postseason. It's one of the three best hockey players
in the world, so I'm told, And Connor McDavid is
the best hockey player, maybe the most talented hockey player
of all.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Time, or so I'm told. Yeah, Paul, it's.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Such a funny thing that people don't see during our
commercial breaks. You walk around here any time of year.
It could be summer, it could be winter, and you
just godle yes, you screaming like there's a goal happening.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
And then Seaton has the Leon dry Sidle goal scoring
voice down is.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Not an actual call, not an actual call.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It's pretty close thing, uh, Leon Dreich title. Yeah, all right, so,
uh hockey last night? You got basketball coming up tonight.
My Rockies have won three in a row. I said
to Fritzi. I said, reach out to the Rockies play
by play voice, Jack Corgan.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Let me see if we could get Jack on.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Now, this is before they went on the three game
winning streak, and I'm like, have you mo on?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
What's it like to go to the ballpark knowing that
your team is probably going to lose and you don't
want to bring your work home? But how do you
not bring your work home if you're the voice of
the Colorado Rockies. Well, they've won three in a row,
So I guess I'm their good luck charm because Jack Corgan,
the Colorado Rockies play.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
By play voice, will join us well. So check in
with Tim McMahon covering the NBA Finals for the mother Ship.
Case you care for entertainment purposes, I mentioned the over
or the point spread was Pacers are getting nine and
a half, Shay Gilgas, Alexander over under, Marvin.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
I'll start with you thirty one and a half, all right,
Paul twenty nine and a half, Todd twenty eight and
a half, Seaton thirty two point five, thirty three and
a half, thirty three and a half, and in case
you're wondering, Tyrese Halliburton over under.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Paul twenty five and a half, Marvin.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Twenty three and a half, Todd twenty six and a half.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Seaton seventeen and one half. Whoa bloo, Tyrese Haliburton is
not their score. Let's Pasco and Siakam and EVP. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Tyrese Haliburton, by the way, didn't make the All Star team,
but he did make the Olympic team. You know when
you talk about star power and you're like, okay, you
know SGA, SGA of course, MVP and scoring champ, all
the different things that have gone to him this season.
But Tyrese Halliburton, who had a great month and a half,
(04:15):
he was not an All Star this year. The commissioner
of the NBA, Adam Silver, was on Fox Sports One
and he brought up what we've been bringing up for
quite some time now, and I think they're going to
do it the All Star Game format next.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Year as part of our new media deals. The All
Star Game returns to NBC where.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
It was when we were younger.
Speaker 7 (04:38):
And it so happens that next season will be smack
in the middle of the Winter Olympics. Some in fact,
that the game will be on NBC and the very
day we're on, they'll be the lead in will be
winter Olympic events, and then coming out of the All
Star Game, which is not going to be in the
afternoon stad of the evening, there'll be more Olympic events.
So what better time to feature some form of USA
against the world. I'm not exactly sure what the format
(05:01):
will be yet. I mean, obviously paid a lot of
attention to what the NHL did, but also you know,
going back, you know last summer, our Olympic competition was
a huge success.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, and I think the commissioner admitted that he saw
the you know, four nations with hockey and the excitement
that you had with that, and you know, the United
States against Canada certainly helps.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
But this is what I've been pushing for. What else
are you going to do here?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I don't want it to devolve into what you know,
the NFL's All Star Game is, you know, the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I don't. I don't want that.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I do like the skills competition, some of the skills competition,
but let's try it. Let's just see you're going to
get at least some kind of competitiveness. You'll have certainly pride,
and that's all we care about. When you watch, you
want to know if they care, then all care. But
if you watch and you realize they don't care, then
(05:59):
I don't. But this, I'd be curious just to see
how the rest of the world reacts. Now, Team USA
might not get caught up in this until they lose
the All Star Game, and then it might get a
little momentum. The Team USA would probably well, they will
have a deeper roster, but they won't have the best
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players because the best players are not from the United States.
The starting five from around the world will be better
than the starting five from Team USA. But I want
to see what happens as the game goes along, because
that's when you start to get the competitive and this
is down through history where you get guys that maybe
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didn't care as much, but then they cared because the
game was on the line. Hopefully you have that. And
I don't know what Plan B is going to be
to spice up the All Star Game, but to me,
it's a glorified layup line and I'd like to see
just a little bit. I'd like to see a little
bit of competent, that's all.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, Martin, Well, Pride from who like I'm not sure
if Joker and Luca care whether the world beats us.
They care about Slovenia winning.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, but you're representing your country, are they?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I mean, you're it's us against the world and you know,
or it's it's them against the United States. I mean,
I think and it says a lot of where basketball
has come, where it was around the world to where
it is now. You could go toe to toe with
the best players, and that says something about what the
Dream Team and the impact that the Dream Team had.
(07:40):
So yeah, I think there's pride because remember all those
teams that got slaughtered by the Dream Team, and those
countries said, okay, now we know what we have to do.
We've we measured ourselves against the best best team ever assembled.
Now we can go back and they have these academies.
Now it was important. It's important to all these countries.
(08:00):
And I would think, you know, Canadian basketball, we don't.
We never talked about Canada with basketball, but Vince gets there.
I mean, you have Steve Nash there. All of a sudden,
you get a trickle down effect and we don't look
at Canada and say, oh, he's a basketball player.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
From Canada.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I mean, sga, he went to Kentucky. Nobody goes, oh,
he's from Canada.
Speaker 8 (08:21):
Yeah, yes, he yeah, I kind of I'd see what
Marvin is saying that, you know, I don't know that
I think that Americans view it everything as America and
the rest of the world. But I don't know that
the rest of the world just sees themselves as one
big thing that's not American, you know. So I think
that there's a lot more pride if you take a
Serbian guy, I think being Serbian means a hell of
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a lot to him, you know, and representing Serbia means
a lot more than just being lumped in with the
rest of the guys from the world.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
But if they're not forced to play against the Team USA.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
But if that's that's the way the format's going to be,
then I think there's going to be that pride of
what are how far our countries have come, how far.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
The world has come. At least that's what I'm hoping for,
you know. Maybe it's maybe it's just me rooting for
something that something interesting. Yes, just please, just please care.
You gonna love this, You're gonna love this.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Come on that fun Hey, Luca Lucas Luca, put the
beer down. Okay, now I want you to really care
about this. Put the hookah down, Yes, Marmon.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
The pressure is gonna be on those second tier guys
from the international squad that make the team that didn't
deserve to be All Stars. They have to play hard
because Adam Silver's gonna be like, why are you eating.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Herese guys are gonna play hard.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
They better and they better play well.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Team USA's got the pressure on them because.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
If Jalen Brown or Jason Tatum come in as a
second string guy and tear Josh Giddy apart, like oh
my god.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Yes, do we get Shay Gildess Alexander?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yes, okay, so it's Canada.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Okay, so it's North America ver International, it's.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
The United States versus the world. Yeah, so we don't
get That's why I asked.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
I said, do we get Shake Gildes Alexander or did
they get Oh?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
No, they do them. Okay, Yeah, yeah it's Canada. We don't.
We haven't gotten Canada yet because.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
He went to high school. Yeah, two years of high
school in America doesn't matter. I thought maybe we could
acquire Shake Gildess.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
No, no, no, no, no, it's it's the United States
and then everybody else. He went to college in the
United States. That doesn't matter. He's from Canada. Steve Nash
wants to come out of retirement. He can play for
Team Canada.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
They might need him.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, Leo Routins, remember Leo was It wasn't he the
first guy it felt like from Canada that We're like, hey,
Leo Routins, man from Canada played at Syracuse.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
It was his number thirteen.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
But that's so random.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Leo Routins and he's one of the first great shooting
big men.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
And you're right about that. Yeah, but I do like that.
I do like that.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You know, here we had the possibility of something to watch.
I mean, I wouldn't watch normally, but this I'll watch.
Adam Silver also talked about comparing the NBA Finals to
the super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
That's one thing I really admire about the NFL. I mean,
if if we were going into a Super Bowl and
it was Packers against Steelers, you guys would be celebrating that.
Nobody would. Those would be storied franchises. People wouldn't be
talking about the fact that Pittsburgh is a small market.
So I'm happy whatever team ends up in the finals.
But it's been intentional from our standpoint to create a system,
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a collective bargaining agreement that allows more teams to compete.
And just by way of background, you know we're going
to have to go through a process of getting to
the point where people are accustomed to tuning into the
finals because the two teams that deserve to be there
and it's the best basketball. Similar to again with the
super Bowl. If I asked somebody they were going to
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watch the super Bowl, they wouldn't say who's playing. It's
a national holiday.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Well.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Also what hurts that analogy is if it was one game, okay, now,
there would be greater interest because you don't know how
it goes for a couple of weeks. Super Bowl is
one game, one and done. That's why we love March Madness.
It's one and done. With the you know, World Series
or playoffs best of seven, the NBA Finals best of seven,
(12:24):
if you add one game tonight, I'd love to know
what that audience, what what would be the estimated audience
no matter who's playing. But if you're watching and you
know the championship will be decided so that and plus,
you know NFL fans, your fandom is passed down from
generation to generation to generation. So if you say Pittsburgh
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and Green Bay, how far does that go back with
your fandom? Okay, see how far does that go back?
Not too far. I don't think Seattle Supersonic fans are
going man, let me tell you the days about Okay,
I mean, nobody cares Pacers. A great basketball tradition with
the ABA, but you know, football is just different because
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it's one game a week. It's so important. One game
and then you get six days to talk about it.
Then one game and everybody plays every game, and then
you're going to play for a championship and it's one game.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
That's why it's a national holiday, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
And in the NFL, the Super Bowl matchup isn't important
no matter who it is we're watching. Yeah, like with
the MLB last year Yankees Dodgers, Oh thank goodness. Yeah,
because I couldn't do Royals Giants. Yeah, So it doesn't
matter in the NFL what the matchup is, especially with
two story franchises like Green Bay and Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, I mean, and that's the magic of the NFL.
That's the power of the NFL. We watch, you know,
Thursday night, it could be Carolina against Tampa Bay. All right,
if you can figure out how to find Amazon, then
you'll watch that.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
But you know, football is different. We gamble on football.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
There's fantasy with football, and that's it's just it's a behemoth.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
All right.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well take a break here. Todd has a song about
these small market teams.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Okay. I didn't know anybody asked for that.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Nobody asked for that.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Oh they didn't, okay at all. I just wanted to
make sure that it did. Somebody on the other side say, Todd,
why don't you whip up a small market song for
the two teams in the NBA?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Find that is some of that just did not happen.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Okay, So how about we take a break?
Speaker 9 (14:34):
Is that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
We probably share?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Okay, but you can get ready.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
You're probably stay and break while I'm saying the song
should be a break.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Have you rehearsed this song?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
No, I just read it to myself a couple of times.
I wrote it yesterday before the show. You're going to
do it yesterday or todays?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
What I love about you? No preparation? Do you need music.
Do you need anything that we can You know, Marvin's
going to do a little work here For.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
The average person, music would be an enhancement and help
the singer. I've proven that it actually hurts me in
some way that I can't stay with the tune.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Okay, just mess up with that is too, That is true.
You can't carry you too.
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Speaker 2 (16:15):
It's a de fritzie. We should reach out to the
Colorado Rockies. We've been talking about them. They were off
to a historically bad start. The run differential as on
pace for an all time high, and they were going
into Miami. And so if Todd reached out to Jack Corrigan.
He's been the play by play voice for the Rockies
for twenty three years, so he's had the highs and
(16:37):
the lows and the very lows, and then all of
a sudden, the Rockies win three in a row against Miami. Jack,
I don't want to take credit for it, but I'll
take credit for it. How would you explain this week
so far?
Speaker 11 (16:52):
You know, first of all, great to be with you, Dan,
enjoy your show. I've enjoyed your work for a long time,
a couple of Ohio guys, So you know that's a
good thing. Well, the most obvious aspect of it is
if you had looked at the Rockies' first fifty games
from college football strength of schedule, they had the toughest
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strength to schedule. I mean they played all the first
and second place teams, and so that was an immediate
challenge for a team that's in the process of trying
to remake themselves. And so when they played the Marlins
the past three days, it was the first time in
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five weeks that they had played a team below five hundred,
and so they were able to match up a little better.
It's still going to be a challenge because of where
they are talent wise, but at least we'll thank the
Dan Patrick Show forgetting the Rocky three wins.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
But going to work, and you know, baseball is about hope,
and we always, you know, have hope for our team,
and everybody thinks they can win in spring training. But
you're going there every single day and you know, chances
are we're going to lose. How do you approach your
job and try to keep that momentum, enthusiasm, excitement, and
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hope up every single game.
Speaker 11 (18:26):
That's a great question.
Speaker 9 (18:27):
You know.
Speaker 11 (18:28):
I was fortunate, kind of in a backhanded way, if
you will, when I started with the Indians back in
nineteen eighty five. Three of my first seven seasons covering
the Indians, they lost more than one hundred games. And
so I learned early on in my play by playtime,
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if you will, to really compartmentalize. The great Joe Tate,
May he rest in peace, who was my first baseball partner,
an outstanding basketball announcer in the Basketball Hall of Fame
for his work with the Cavaliers. Joe said to me,
he goes Baseball's one hundred and sixty two chapter book.
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All you do is worry about the chapter that night.
And maybe one of the best things he said, you know,
you can be an awful team and you're gonna still
win fifty sixty games. So you tell yourself, well, tonight's
one of the nights we're gonna win. You get all excited,
you do it, and and then if you don't win,
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you leave the ballpark feeling even better because your odds
a just improved by a game that you're still gonna
win fifty to sixty.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Do you bring it home with you when you lose?
Speaker 11 (19:45):
No, Well, my wife might disagree with that. I think
I've learned to separate it. I mean, I'll feel it.
You know, I was a college athlete and I've always
been competitive. So when you aren't winning, yes, it does
impact on you because you build a relationship with those
players and coaches. But again, that's the beauty of baseball,
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Dan is the next day you start over again, and
who knows this is a game that day where Pal
Freeland's going to go seven innings and pitch great like
you did yesterday for the Marlins, or Hunter Goodman hits
a couple of home runs. And so that's what fortifies you,
if you will.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I know, you don't want to bite the hand that feeds.
But how did the Rockies get in this situation?
Speaker 11 (20:37):
Well, I think you can certainly look at where they
are in terms of they have to be a draft
and develop team. You're not going to get a free
agent pitcher to come and pitch at altitude.
Speaker 9 (20:50):
It's just that simple.
Speaker 11 (20:51):
So you're from a pitching perspective, especially, you have to
draft and sign international players that give you a chance.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
On the mound. And through a number of years of
rolling the dice and.
Speaker 11 (21:09):
Missing in the draft with players or having injuries happen,
I think they have struggled to keep up in terms
of depth of talent. Dan, I believe they need to
fortify their scouting department. They need more scouts out on
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the road, They need more coaches on the road. You know,
the Rockies have, for example, that they're low A team,
they have three coaches.
Speaker 9 (21:43):
Well, when I started with.
Speaker 11 (21:45):
The Indians in eighty five, the low A team had
three coaches. And the way the game is now, you
need more than that, and a lot of teams are
doing that.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
So the ownership is not committed.
Speaker 11 (21:59):
In that regard. It does not appear to be that way,
I will I would certainly agree with you on that.
That's the challenge that maybe this year finally pushes them
over the precipice, if you will, and they spend some
money in that regard. They do have some good young
talent in the system, but again, probably not enough to
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overcome the misses and the injuries. And that's the result.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Twelve and fifty.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Do you care how bad you know, like the White
Sox historically bad, and like, if you guys are going
to be bad, do you want to be historically the
worst team in baseball history?
Speaker 11 (22:41):
That's a great question, I mean, and sometimes i'd say
that to people with a bit of humor. You know, hey,
if we're going to have a bad season, let's make
it historic. I remember talking with Lenn Casper, who does
the White Sox. Lenny a great broadcasters season as they
were going through it, and he says, hey, you just
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it is what it is, and you hope that something
changes out of it. And so I guess out of
this year, Dan, you know, you hope that it does Finally.
I don't think it'll be any kind of seismic change,
but you hope there's some kind of change to.
Speaker 9 (23:21):
Not go through this again.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, you brought up the point I was going to
bring up. Do you reach out to fellow announcers who
have gone through this, because I can't imagine. You know,
you got to sit there, You got to sit there
and call it and it's right in front of you.
And but hey, you guys are only twenty five games
behind the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
So it was twenty seven a week ago, Jack, that's
that's right.
Speaker 11 (23:46):
We're making progress. The one thing out of that and
Lennon and I talked to Lan Casper and I talked
about that last year. The advantage with radio is you
have to be so descriptive, so you who can use that.
I think it's harder on the TV side, where you're
not doing all that basic description. The video provides that,
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so you end up talking more conversationally.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
That's the challenge.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I think, keep your head up, keeper sense of humor,
and I think you're going to need it. Jack here
in the second half of the season.
Speaker 11 (24:26):
Well, Dan, I appreciate the chance to visit with you,
and you know, it's still a great job. Forty years
of them letting me go to the ballpark and paying
me for that.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
I'm doing Okay, it's Jack Corgan.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
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Speaker 4 (24:51):
Tim McMahon he's the author of The Wonder Boy, Luka
Doncic and the Curse of Greatness, but he'll be covering
the NBA Finals Why is It, the Stanley Cup Final
and the NBA Finals Tim, Howdy.
Speaker 9 (25:06):
Dan, I am not qualified for any discussion part copies,
but I'm just gonna focus purely on basketball.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
And wait, this is just grammar, Tim, This isn't just
also not qualifying as a writer, You're not qualified to.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Talk about grammar.
Speaker 9 (25:23):
Those are for editors.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Okay, Pacers are overwhelming underdogs, historically large underdogs.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Why, I mean, the simple.
Speaker 9 (25:34):
Reason is because the Thunder are really really good. You know,
the Thunder are a team that won sixty eight games
this regular season with the best point differential in NBA history.
You know, obviously they were challenged by the Nuggets in
the second round, but other than that, they've cruised through
the playoffs. And I mean this is they've had four
thirty plus point wins during the playoffs, something that that's
never happened in a single postseason.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
Rue.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
I don't think it's it's a disrespect thing toward the Pacers. Obviously,
the Pacers warrant team that people expected to see in
the finals, got off to the slow start. They're four seed.
They earned their way here. But I look at the
odds more as a nod to just have dominant the
Thunder have been in any kind of knock against the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I think a lot of this, though, is brand awareness
that we look at the Pacers. People didn't watch the Pacers.
People are just you know, being introduced to the Pacers.
And really the same thing for OKC. Because if I,
let's say I put the Knicks in there against OKAC,
would it be you know, would the odds to win
a championship be this large of a margin here? Would
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we factor in the Knicks that somehow they're the Knicks,
they'd have a better chance than the Pacers.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
I mean, honestly, I maybe only because of the way
the money works in Vegas, but I don't think the
Knicks would have had a better chance to beat the Thunder.
I mean, the best team won that series in versus
New York. That KNX defense, it's that transition defense. It
was getting just obliterated by Tyres Halibert and Pascal Siakam
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was not going to stand up very well against the Thunder.
You know, sloppies nixt Row with the ball, and then
that was going to be a pretty big problem against
the Thunder. So maybe the odds would have been better
in the sense of gambling. Yeah, in the sense of
actually having a chance to win the series. I would
say absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Tom Thibodeau was fired because.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
Because he is a polarizing figure internally, there was a
pretty large faction within that front office that wanted to
get him fired a while ago and finally got its way.
You know, if you're gonna fire a coach after a
conference finals run, if you're going to fire a coach
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who has made the playoffs four straight years and you know,
has had the success that the Thibodeau's had four franchise
that's gone a quarter century without sniffing any kind of
real success, you better get the next hire right. It's
an awful high bar that you're trying to clear with
your next hire here. But you know, TIB's got fired
because TIBs tends to wear people out, and he wore
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out a certain amount of people who were able to
get their way.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Do you think they know who they're hiring?
Speaker 9 (28:15):
I don't. I don't. I think they certainly have some
strong ideas. Whether their targets are going to be attainable
remains to be seen. But you know, this is the
kind of deal, honestly, where if you're going to fire TIBs,
it would make sense that you know, who the next
hire is, you know, a boom boom type of thing.
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I certainly don't get that sense, you know, But of
course the Knicks keep you guessing, because why would you
possibly consider having a press conference after making this kind
of major franchise decision. You know, just you know, just
just hide in your little every tower and don't speak
to the unwashed media masks. Is that's the last thing
that you would want to do when you're going to
make a decision to fire a coach and awake up
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a conference final drum? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Uh, and I'd gotten to win yesterday that, Yeah, I
didn't know the acrimony inside, but then I was. I
was enlightened yesterday, And it's wild that you have. It's
almost like he was he was winning his way into
keeping his job. I don't would he have been fired
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if they went to the NBA finals?
Speaker 9 (29:23):
Who knows, But you know, it's funny that Tips makes
an adjustment during the conference finals to use Delon Wright,
to use Landyr Shaman to kind of extend the rotation,
and it works, and then it's used against him because
it was like, c you should have been playing these
guys the whole season. See, you're so stubborn, you refuse
to do what we were trying to get you to do,
and it was the right thing all along. So I
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don't know if he would have been fired if they'd
have made the finals. Obviously we'll never know. I just
do know that it's not like this was out of nowhere.
There had certainly been people who were trying to get
Tids out of there for a while now, going back
before the season even started.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, and you give him a contract extension last July.
It's almost as if, now, Okay, this may sound crazy,
and I was told this yesterday, what if Leon Rose,
who was Tibbs' former agent who's now his boss, wanted
to take care of Tibbs, if in fact he got fired,
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that you get him this contract extension, because why else
would you give him a contract extension if there's already
people in the building who do not like him and
his style.
Speaker 9 (30:32):
Yeah, and it is also one of those things where
you know, when a coach is going into the last
year of his contract, you either extend him or fire him.
That's just kind of the way it is THEBA. You
can't have or you can't But it's a really bad
idea to have a guy that everybody knows is a
laying duck as the head coach. But I see where
you're going with at I don't think it's a terrible
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conspiracy theory. I'm listen. I don't know that this was
Leon Rose's decision. I know that publicly in the little
short statement that they sent out that he accepted the
responsibility for the decision. I think this was more a
Dolen decision. And you know, people working around Leon Rose.
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I do know that Leon Rose has held off the
angry mob within the within the Knicks front office before.
But again, they can say what they want a statement.
They don't have to have a press conference, they don't
have to explain their decision. I just don't understand how
that benefits the Knicks whatsoever, to just leave people wondering
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what the hell is going on.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Tim mcmahony, ESPN NBA reporter he will be there tonight
for a Sports Center. Also the book The Wonder Boy,
Luka Doncic and the Curse of Greatness. The commissioner said
yesterday on Fox Sports that he is entertaining the world
versus the ullstars from the United States. I'm wondering, you know,
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we saw how important and the Olympics were too joker,
and you of course wrote the book on Luca playing
for the rest of the world as opposed to playing
for your country in the Olympics. I'm curious about the
pride you think that the team World would have against
the United States.
Speaker 9 (32:18):
Yeah, and this is certainly a way that they're trying
to make the All Star Game more competitive. I can
see that, But look at the All Star rosters from
last year. Is it going to be eighteen on six
or you're just going to say, hey, sorry Americans, but
there's going to be twelve international All Stars regardless of qualifications.
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You get twelve stars for the Americans, twelve for the World,
and look, obviously the top end talent. You know, you
know how many straight MVPs have been won by international players.
There's no question that there are you know, a handful
of international superstars. But I think this idea is half baked.
If it's got to be even international versus World regardless
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of who actually earns a trip to the All.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Star Game, well it might be half big, but I
know that the current format isn't baked at all. It
doesn't even get in the oven like well, I'm heating
up the I'm preheating here for something.
Speaker 9 (33:15):
Yeah, and then you get into the discussion of Okay,
are is the All Star Game to honor the best
players in the league that season or is it an
an entertainment showcase? You know, it's funny. I feel like
the NBA All Star Game is the only one that
people really whine and cry about the competitive nature. Like what,
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I don't even know what they're doing in the Pro
Bowl now? Is it like flag football or something like that? Seriously,
I don't know, but nobody cares, right this idea that
is some kind of a crisis because you know, guys
aren't diving on the floor for loose balls during the
All Star Game. I don't really understand it. Then again,
I'm a guy who I cash in my air on
miles and Hotel points and taking my wife on vacation
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every All Star weekends. What do I care?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Okay, But I think that if Kobe was playing, or
Mike was playing, or Larry Magic playing today, what the
All Star Game look the way the All Star Game looks.
Speaker 9 (34:10):
I mean it's fair, it's a fair point. I just
think it's it gets way too much like attention and
concern about, like, there's bigger problems in the NBA than Hey,
the Alfar games, just guys like dunking the ball and
jacking up forty footers like there to me forward about
the competitive nature of the NBA, Let's start with the
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fact that even though you've flattened the lottery odds and
it blew up and some teams faces that you've still
got tank a palooza down the stretch of a regular season.
I'm much more worried about the competitive nature of March
and early April basketball than I am. Some weekend in
a random city in February, I.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Was watching you guys on the podcast yesterday and the
Hoop Collective, and you guys were talking about Utah, where
Danny Ainge's son is now going to run the Utah Jazz,
And you know, he spent whatever fourteen years with the Celtics,
but he was asked about basically, are you going to tank,
you know, this upcoming season? He said, no, not this season,
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as if it probably happened last season and it just
didn't work out. So he's kind of admitting, I think
they tanked last year, but we're not going to tank
this year.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
Well, I mean, I think it's gonna be hot in
Texas this summer. I'm gonna go ahead and admit that, Yeah,
some things are just playing his day. They absolutely tanked
last year. And what Austin names said, I don't have
the exact quote in front of me, but basically what
he said is we're not going to be manipulating minutes
to lose games this year. They're not going to be
inventing injuries. I mean, they're injured report. If you opened
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it up on your phone, you had to scroll down
a few screens on a regular basis, you know, like
it was ridiculous, and they were fine for tanking, Like
they blatantly tanked, got the worst record league and ended
up in the most likely scenario, which was the fifth
overall pick, which was both the worst case to and
most likely scenario. And then you get into I know,
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within that franchise there's discussions about, hey, the way we
approach this season like dank and you know, you hear
the euphemism for player development, but what they did, it's
done the growth of young players on the roster. These
guys need to be put in situations where they're playing
to win the game. If you're trying to develop, so
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you're just punning on the growth of like they had
like seven guys under twenty three years old, and then
then you know, your odds aren't that much better for
the number one pick. Then if you finish sixth or
seventh or with the sixth or seventh worst record. Now
the wibber room that he left is they're not going
to do that. But let's see what their transactions look like.
You know, they just very well could have a roster
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next year going into it where look, they're gonna play
as hard as they can, they're gonna try to win games,
and they're gonna end up, you know, twenty two and
sixty or whatever be pretty close to the same situation that.
My guess is it probably ends up looking something like that.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
More likely the series goes four games or seven games.
Speaker 9 (37:06):
I mean, I think that the the data would tell
you four games. I'm just going to say, I don't
think a Rick Carlisle team is getting swept. And you know,
Rick Carlisle has out coached a legendary coach in the
finals before a legendary young coach, right, a guy who
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became a legend, Eric Spolster's Uh. You know that that
Miami Super Team's first finals, that the Dallas matteris did
not have the better team. They were playing better at
the time. But Rick Carlisle cooked up some magic during
that series, you know, and his coaching staff. But I'm
just saying, I know that Mark Dagnall expects to have
his hands full with the coaching matchup, and I think
(37:49):
that is the PACER's best chance to make this a
real series. And I say out of a lot with
a ton of respect for Dagenhaal, who's been a Coach
of the Year, who's done an unbelievable job at Oklahoma City.
The Carlisles as good as it gets in terms of
game the game, you know, even even half to half
in game adjustments during the playoff series.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
How many Air Jordans did you pack?
Speaker 9 (38:11):
Let's see, I think there are eight Jordans, Uh, some
Air Force ones, a pair of Blazers, and some good
old trusty Stance Smiths just for the other day kick runtries.
Also have some Sabrina ones. Dan, you'll appreciate this. We've
got a uh, we've got a pickup run uh here
in Okay see a Friday night pick up run and
I'm told there will be another one in Indy, so
(38:32):
I packed my Sabrina ones. You know, I can't wear
current NBA signature shoes, but I could certainly support the
w n B A.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
And we didn't play against each other, did I don't
think you were covering the NBA when the when the
Bulls in the nineties.
Speaker 9 (38:47):
No, I was playing high school basketball back then.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Oh, because we used to play pick up and uh
with the media. So I remember Jackie McMullen was on
my team and we're playing against Rick Buker.
Speaker 9 (39:01):
And uh, so I have to pick up running packed
also packed some icy hots.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
So who is the best media basketball player?
Speaker 9 (39:11):
You're talking to him now, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
There's are you a joker?
Speaker 9 (39:15):
Are you? It's a wide spectrum. There's the pick and
watch is certainly a big part of okay.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Where would Steven A. Smith be picked if there was
a media pickup game?
Speaker 9 (39:31):
I don't know. He's welcome to show up on Friday
night and find out, though, you know, I've never I've
seen the man take some jumpers in in dress shirts,
but I've I've never seen him play.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
He might not get picked. Oh yeah, he get picked
you think.
Speaker 9 (39:45):
He get picked. Yeah, I'll say you as the best,
the best media guy, it's Chris haynes is in that conversation.
He played cossetball. But the thing about Haynes is his
version of a pass is a missp feeling that see
would be similar in that regard. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Uh, and Peter Vessy's too old to play anymore.
Speaker 9 (40:08):
Now we've got some dudes though. I'll give a shout out.
There's a dude, Daniel Bell, who's a local radio guy
here in Okay see about six two twenty, a decade
and a half younger than me. It's he's been my
match up during the conference finals. This dude hit like
six Dirk one leers from the mid range in my row.
Speaker 11 (40:27):
I listen.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
I am not like I've always said, the most overrated
thing about sports is sportsmanship. And if you watch me
play old man pick up with my two inch vertical,
you can it's reflected in my performance in my in.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
My uh, you know disposition, can Brian wind Horse play.
Speaker 9 (40:45):
Wind Horse? I think he's gonna have a movie night
on Friday night. B Tims claims he's going to get
out there, but you know, bomb, he's one of those guys.
When a dude shows up and running shoes for the
pickup run, you know he's got no game.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah, thank you, Tim, have fun tonight, Appreciate it. That's
a Tim McMahon
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