June 23, 2025 • 53 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP reacts to the Thunder winning the NBA Finals. Gilbert Arenas breaks down the Suns trading Kevin Durant, and shares how he was a fan of Kobe Bryant even while playing against him. Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix explains why Haliburton's injury will be the defining moment of this NBA Finals, and breaks down why he believes talk of OKC building a "dynasty" is dangerous.
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Congratulations to the Oklahoma City Thunder. The best regular season team,
the best postseason team. But the Pacers held on for
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dear life. They pushed it to seven games. But the
Tyree's Halliburton injury was tough to overcome. We talked about
it when he injured his calf, and you'll see this
that the calf injury and the possibility of an achilles injury.
We talked about that last week. Unfortunately it came to
fruition and you couldn't help but think of Kevin Durant
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when he got off to a hot start and then
he blew out his achilles a few years ago. But
Tyrese Haliburton will remember an incredible postseason run. Also, Shay
gilgis Alexander not many. This is rarefied air. When you
put him in there with Michael and Shack. When you're
going to be the regular season MVP scoring champ. You're
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going to win an NBA title Finals MVP. And he
did it in an effortless way. He did it in
an old school way. Now I say old school because
he doesn't rely on the three point shot. He'll beach
off the dribble. He's capable of scoring on three different levels.
But he was efficiently brilliant in the NBA Finals. We'll
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Sports Illustrated will join us from Oklahoma City. Gilbert Arena's
former NBA All Star. We'll join us. We'll talk about
the Kevin Durant trade that happened yesterday.
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Speaker 3 (02:22):
To be what, well, I've got something that could be
considered a sign of the apocalypse or just very bad
news for.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Two people here?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Okay, Paul and Todd have both submitted the same pole question.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
O man, what happened to Paul? That's right?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Is Todd coming up or is Paul going down?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I can't really tell Paul.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
What's the possibility of both questions being good?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
That's for you to decide that. All Righty, the NBA
Finals was memorable for dot dot dot. Uh, Well, let's see, Paul.
Options were the first title of this young OKC team,
SGA cementing himself as a superstar, Pacers fight, Halliburton's injury
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or nothing or nothing? Yes Todd's suggestions where the sitter
the Oklahoma City winning their first ever title, SGA being
named the MVP, Halliburton's injury, or Kevin Durant getting traded
to this from the Suns to the Rockets.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Hmm with no local ties. I would say Tyree's Halliburton's injury.
I think his playoff performance leading into the NBA Finals
and he gave them hope. SGA was you know, brilliant,
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and he also had a you know, a Game seven
that we haven't had in a long time. You know,
twenty nine and twelve assists. First player to reach those
numbers in game seven of an NBA Finals you have
to go back to nineteen seventy when Wald Fraser went
for thirty six and nineteen. I just think the injury
with Halliburton because of all the big shots that he
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had leading into the finals, that he gave them hope,
and hope went down and didn't get back up last night.
So I would say, in ten years from now, let's
put it that way. How about we put a window
on this. Ten years from now, when we look back
on this year's NBA Finals, it's probably going to be
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Tyrese Haliburton will remember because of the injury, how they
had played, they forced at game seven. Okay, see was
the best team, but I think what the Pacers did
created more headline conversation than what Oklahoma City did.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, I think how we remember this Finals is dependent
on how both of these teams do the next three years.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
If we go right back to after this.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Year, if next year we go back to some sort
of like return cycle of you know, Warriors, Lakers, Celtics,
you know, whoever win, then don't I don't know what
we're going to really remember from this one, but if
the Pacers go on to be greater or the Thunder
going to keep being greater, it's going to shape how
this one is remembered.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
But also keep in mind Tyrese Haliburton will probably be
out all next year, so you know his impact is
going to be felt next year because he won't be
able to play. Jason Tatum not able to play for
the Celtics next year, probably not, so factor those in
and how that shapes the East because the East is
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really really wide open now, and we don't even know
if Jannis is going to stay in Milwaukee like all
of a sudden, Orlando, the Cavaliers, obviously Garland's having toe surgery,
but they would be the favorites. The Knicks, you know,
once again, would be in the in the in the
conversation there. But if you don't have Tatum and you
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don't have Halliburton, and those are the best players on
the on the best teams right now. East is wide open.
That's where Yannis might go. H maybe can you help
me out a little bit here? Can you give me
something here in Milwaukee. But we'll talk to Chris Mannix
about this, because I think Mannix gets the feeling that Jannis,
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if he's going anywhere, would end up in San Antonio.
But Kevin Durant ending up with Houston. You know that
Cleveland was in this. I'm told at the last minute,
like there were teams going, hey, we know you got
to trade him. What's it going to take? And I
think the Knicks made another run out. Everybody was kind
of like circling it was. It was a open secret
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that Durant was going to be traded, and the question
was where's he going to be traded? And it was
going to be this week because the draft is coming
up on Wednesday night.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
But we'll talk about that.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
With Durant being traded and Houston, I thought did pretty
well here.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You can look at the draft picks.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I don't look at the draft picks the way I
used to because it just feels like, eh, and we'll
give you a I don't know how many second round
picks you want?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
You want four?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
You won five, go ahead, take whatever you want. And
Jalen Green, it's weird to be what is he twenty
three and he averaged you know, over I think he
might have averaged twenty three points a game. He didn't
do well in the postseason, and I think there was
concern with Houston that maybe he is not that number
one guy. Phoenix Suns are a mess. They really are,
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and they you know, it's not just one year. I
mean they've been consistent in being a mess because you
get Bradley Beal. I can only warn these owners in
GMS so often. If they're not going to listen to me,
then it's on them. Get a new owner. Matt Eshmia,
former walk on at Michigan State. All of a sudden,
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you start making decisions. You bring in Durant. You gave
up a lot to get Durant. Devin Booker. I don't
are you building around Devin Booker? Like it feels like
who is anybody going to pass the ball on that team?
Bradley Beal, Devin Booker and Jalen Green. I don't like that.
I don't like that at all. But when I saw it.
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I go all right, Durant goes to Houston. I like
the roster. M a Udoka, the head coach, just got
a contract extension. It's a young team, but now you
have a closer. Now you got a guy can go
get you a bucket, and that's going to make them
extremely dangerous. It's a young team, aggressive team, good defensive team,
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and now you got a guy crunch time who can
get you a bucket. Now, granted he's thirty seven, but
his game is not really predicated on jumping high or
moving fast. Just feels like he gets to spots and
he will kill you. But from the perspective of the Rockets,
I like what they did because it's now now they're
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trying to win a championship where Phoenix, Phoenix is going
to have to take the wrecking ball, and.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I can you can't trade Bradley Beal.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Imagine Lebron and Bradley be are the two guys who
don't have no trade classes.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
So yeah, you have Bradley Beal and.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Devin Booker and Jalen Green and I don't know the
ghost of Steve Nash there, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
The crazy part is the Suns were in the finals
in twenty twenty nine. No, I know how things change
so fast with a young Devin Booker. If you're thinking
when they got to the finals, oh, we'll be back.
That's the scariest part about getting to the finals. You
don't know which way it's going to go.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I brought up this calf issue thing because Dame Lillard
and Jason Tatum both told Gilbert Arenas that they had
calf injuries before they told their tore their achilles, and
that's what happened with Tyree's Haliburton.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And that's why I wondered, can you put him out there?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I know he wants to be out there, but you
have he has to know that there is a risk
that you're going to you're gonna tear your achilles. Tatum
and Dame Lillard both had calf injuries and then they
tore their achilles, and that's what happened with Tyre's Haliburton. Also,
don't wear the number zero, Dame Lillard zero, Jason Tatum zero,
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Tyre's Halliburton zero. Yikes, who else is wearing zero? We
got to give them a heads up. Christian Brown, be careful. Well, Okay,
if he wears zero. Sure. All righty, so the poll question,
what are we going to remember seeing any other poll
question for the first hour of the program.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, we got one more here for you. Okay, bigger
mistake trading SGA, Trading the Sonics.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, that owner wanted to move them to Okay C. Yeah,
so I get that. But you go back to when
Shay Gilgis was traded. Now Sam Presty Oklahoma City GM
insisted that SGA was going to be in the deal,
and I think the Clippers were trying to hold on
to him. He finished sixth in the Rookie of the
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Year ballot, and he averaged only twelve points a game.
Anybody who said, well I saw this, I think he
might be lying, because that felt like, all right, you
take Paul George, take his contract.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
What are you going to give us in return?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And they had accumulated so many draft picks there in
Oklahoma City, and all of a sudden, you know, I
watched Shay Gilgis at Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I can't tell you.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I remember one play that he had kind of like
the way he plays nowhere you go, I think I
can score. I mean, he was just another Kentucky player, Hey,
you can score, Okay, can get to the hoop. I
didn't think, oh my god, that guy's gonna be He's
going to do something that is in rarefied air with
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Kareem and Shaq and Michael Jordan. Imagine that you're on
that list and he did it. I don't think anybody
saw that coming, that he would be this great. But this,
you know, this has been a process, like five six
years to get to this point. Remember chat Holmgren. As
soon as they got him, he got hurt in that
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summer All Star game that he was playing in. He's
had a hip injury. He's obviously injury prone here. But
you're getting guys and you're going, Okay, nobody wants Alex Caruso.
We'll take him. Lou Dort, who Jalen Williams who? I mean,
come on, guy went to Santa Clara. That's where you
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look at scouting, That's where you look at what you
do and you know down in the lab, and that's
what Okac has done a wonderful job. And it starts
with Sam Presty. I think he took over. He was
twenty eight years of age when he was a GM
And now what is he forty seven? Still young for
that job? But you know this is why when we
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talk about the Lakers that you get new ownership. Now
you can't go out and just buy whoever you want,
but they're going to help the infrastructure of the Lakers scouting.
I mean that that's where you beef up. And you
know that's what OKAC has done. It did a wonderful
job and should be commended for finding those players who
do fit in.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
The key for OKC as we move forward is shay
Gilgess is probably going to get a contract that's going
to pay him eighty million dollars a year. Just start
there now. Is Chad Hombern going to take less? Is
Jalen Williams going to Is anybody taking less? To stay
again to win a championship? As a former NBA champion
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once told me, once I got my ring, I wanted
my money. That's what happens. I got my ring, now
I want my money. Look at what happened with the Nuggets,
those guys, bench players, they got their ring, then they
wanted their money. It's a natural evolution when you're trying
to keep these teams together, that's what you have to
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have in place. Is there a commonality that, hey, let's
do that, Let's continue to do this. We're having fun,
we're the best team, we're young, we have plenty of
time to make plenty of money. It sounds altruistic, but
it doesn't happen that way. Guys are gonna leave, Guys
are gonna want their money. I understand it. Natural evolution here,
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Speaker 2 (16:24):
Let me start with ten years from now, we'll remember
these NBA finals for.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
What, nothing, nothing.
Speaker 8 (16:34):
Nothing, We won't know. Let's just be honest. When it
comes to small market teams.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
We really don't remember much about them.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
We don't really talk about the Toronto Championship, we don't
really talk about the Bucks Janna Championship and with this one,
I mean, the only memorable thing was Halle game winner
Game one. Other than that, there was nothing in this
finals that makes you say, oh my god, this was
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the great Finals and let's put it up there with
the top ten of all time. It's not they didn't
have none of those moments.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, I mentioned Haliburton.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Ten years from now will remember him, but it's because
of the postseason run Game one and then blowing out
his achilles. So I think if we just say his name,
I think we'll remember that ten years from now.
Speaker 8 (17:27):
I think he'd be more remembered for the Eastern Conference
Finals what he did to the New York Knicks, because
that was a big series. That was like one of
those series because it was New York and all the
exposure on it and he showed up. I think he
would be more remembered for that series than really what
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happened in the finals.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You talked to a couple of guys who have blown
out their achilles, and they had there was a commonality
to that of you have a CAF injury. So you
talk to Tatum and Dame Lillard and then you see Halliburton.
We shouldn't be surprised that this happened.
Speaker 8 (18:05):
No, no, we shouldn't, you know, I think we all
thought about it. I think Kendrick Perkins mentioned that he
shouldn't play in Game six because of what has happened
in the past. I don't remember ever when calve strains
turned into achille tears from the past. So I wanted
to ask, like, do you have any symptoms? Were there
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any sympom They both said, yeah, my calf.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
Was you know, hurting. So we all knew he had
a calf strain.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
We all threw it out there that this could happen,
but to see it happen.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
Is another thing.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
And you know, it's just sad that this happened in
the finals and him trying to fight back and help
his team win.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
But is this just a coincidence with calf injuries leading
to torn achilles.
Speaker 9 (18:52):
With Katie we.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Could have said yes, But three people in just this
year a loone right, you know, where it's pointed out
that hey, hold on, these strains are turning into you.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
Know, achille tears.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
So I think now when someone has a calf strain,
they should really treat it double treatment now, Like so
if it was you know, two to three weeks, let's
start doing five to six just in case, because we
can see.
Speaker 9 (19:23):
That it's it's costing you nine to twelve months.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well, a former player told me when he saw that
he had a calf injury. He said, during the regular season,
he's sitting out like he's going to be out for
at least a week with that, he's trying to come back.
He's you know, it's the NBA Finals. You don't want
to be on the bench. You want to try to
help your team. And unfortunately this season ends that way.
The other option that we had of what do we
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remember ten years from now during the NBA Finals, could
be Kevin Durant got traded during the NBA Finals to
the Rockets.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
No, true, true, that was a big trade. And think
that that was gonna happen that soon. I don't even
remember trades happening during the NBA Finals.
Speaker 9 (20:08):
This is this is new.
Speaker 8 (20:09):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
The commissioner, Commissioner Stern, he had an edict, no news,
don't be hiring somebody, don't be firing somebody, no trades.
Let the NBA Finals stand alone. That's what was surprising
about this that you had what happened with the Lakers sale,
and then you had KD being traded during the.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
NBA Finals and to Memphis. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
Let's let's just be honest. It was probably the most
exciting stuff during.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
The finals, you know.
Speaker 8 (20:41):
And I know, you know when we talk about small markets,
it's needed because there are you know, cities that need finals,
they need recognition. But you know when you do have
you know, teams like that that match up, the sales
is down, the marketing is down, the view is down.
Speaker 9 (21:00):
It's clocked through history.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
So you know, any kind of exposure that has to
do with the NBA, it is needed, no matter if
you like it or not.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And Durant going to Houston.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
We're talking to Gilbert Arenas his podcast, Gil's Arena. You
have Durant going there and he's gonna be but thirty seven.
I know, he's not a guy who you know, needs
to jump, be fast, be quick. Like he's a guy
who picks gets his spots and then he's going to score.
I don't know what, like, what does he add to
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Houston that you can count on? And and are they
a true title contender?
Speaker 8 (21:39):
What you do ad is guarantee twenty to twenty five.
You can just you know, staple that in. So he's
gonna give them consistency on you.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
Know, getting buckets when they need it.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
The only concern I will have is is the rest
of the group mature enough to help him win?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
See?
Speaker 8 (22:01):
I think that's usually what we miss here with Kevin Durant.
Speaker 9 (22:05):
He's an A student now.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
The people around him that he has to do these
group projects with, they're not A students with him. Right
when he went to Golden State a students honor students,
We've seen what happened when he went to you know,
Brooklyn and everybody wasn't you know, doing turning in the assignments.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
Same thing in the Suns, everybody wasn't turning in their assignments.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
But he's getting blamed for the group project when his
part of the assignment is an A. Now, this is
what is everyone going to bring an A type performance
for them to be successful, And I don't think they're
ready for that yet. Their games are not mature. Sangoon
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still thinks he's Jokic. When you're Sangoon, you guys have
different games. You have to understand what you're good at.
Stop trying to be you know Yoki, so he's still
having trying to figure out what his game is. Same
thing with Amen. Amen's trying to figure out what is he.
We know your freak of nature, we know you are
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a two way player, but you really have to carve
out your identity. So with so many pieces trying to
figure out who they are, I don't know if they're
going to be a real contender. But they do have
Kevin Durant and you have a great coach. Everybody else
has roles that they they accept, so.
Speaker 9 (23:27):
It could work.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Phoenix Suns are a mess, Yeah, a mess.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
Yeah, I mean it starts from the head right when
you're talking about not Kevin Durant, we're talking about the owner, right,
even though he has a basketball background went to Michigan State.
Do you know what it takes to put a winning
team together?
Speaker 9 (23:56):
That goes from.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
Personalities, that goes from basketball style, that goes from coaching,
that goes from gms.
Speaker 9 (24:01):
What are they looking at? What's their eye? Right?
Speaker 8 (24:03):
You have to have an eye for talent and how
it works together. Like just playing in the game and
looking at those three I'm saying, oh, you need to
be in a triangle or you need to be in
the Princeton offense, because the offense is not made for
your superstar.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
It's made for the team. So the team can move around.
Speaker 8 (24:21):
And get little buckets here and there to keep them excited,
to keep the defense honest. But when you have a
stationary offense where your three main guys have the ball
to everyone since in the corner, I don't have to
guard the corner guys, So that means I'm just gonna
guard Kevin, Duran and Build and we're just gonna load up.
And that's what the triangle was made for. Yeah, we
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got Jordan, Kobe and Shack, but we're gonna make you
guard bj Armstrong, Steve Kerb because we're gonna move them
off screens and if you don't play it correctly, here's
gonna be a layup, here's gonna be a jump shot.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
And that's what they didn't do in suns.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
What was your thought or thoughts on Lebron where he's said,
you know that we're obsessed with chasing rings. The media
is obsessed with players chasing rings.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
He's right right. It was the same thing Michael Jordan said.
You know, he said the same exact thing. He said,
you know Bill Russell got eleven, but does that make
him better than me?
Speaker 9 (25:17):
Right? I got six? Does that make me better than him?
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Because obviously there's more to just a ring and talent.
You can be talented and not win a ring. You
can be horrible and win a ring because you got
a great cast around you. So what they're saying is correct,
and it goes by the top seventy five list, right,
the top seventy five lists that was put in, voted in,
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and then they voted in order. That lets you know
rings doesn't necessarily matter because you have Scottie Pippen with
six rings, six All NBA or seven All NBAS, seven
All Stars, ten Defensive Awards, but he's sitting at thirty
two already one it's allan iverson, no rings, So you're
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telling me six rings is getting beat out by what
four scoring titles and MVP.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
Then you got Chris Paul sitting at twenty nine.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Then you got Karl Malone, John Stocked and Charles Barkley
not none of them got the rings, but they're all
in front of Scottie Pippen.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
Then that's seventy five.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
You have Dame litter right, six All Stars at the time,
six All NBA's Klay Thompson doesn't make it in He
has three All Three Championships, two five All Stars, two
All nbas so his resume is not better with the rings.
So it's showing you that rings don't matter. Your individual
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talent matters first. Then the rings kind of help you
over the top. But the media has pushed rings as
the cake instead of just a cherry on top.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Would you rather have Scottie Pippen's career or Alan Iverson's.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
History, says Iverson, He's going to be remembered more because
his background says he was a top player in the NBA.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
He was an MVP. Remember all MVPs.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
One, you're the best player if you're a scoring champ,
says your top five.
Speaker 9 (27:16):
I don't know how.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Many scoring champs in the NBA went to second team
All NBA usually their first team All NBA.
Speaker 9 (27:22):
So it kind of says who he was in the NBA. Right.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
You know, the average fan is going to say, yeah,
I'm gonna take the six rings, I'm.
Speaker 9 (27:29):
Gonna be a champ.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
But we're looking at Scottie Pippen and we've seen how
Scottie Pippen has been treated with six rings.
Speaker 9 (27:35):
He's not treated like Michael Jordan.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
Right, So when you say my legacy, the legacy for
you personally, yeah, six rings, but the legacy for everyone
when you walk in public, are you respected? If you
say Scottie Pippen and Alan Iverson, everybody runs to Allen
Iverson because they remember he was iconic at what he did.
I mean, as a basketball player, we're taught we want
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to be a champion. We get reality once our career
is done. And we're sitting there six rings trying to
get you know, these business deals done, and everybody's like, yeah,
you're not Michael Jordan, and you're like hmmm, and you
know that's it's the sad truth. I just do the
research and then say what I found. You know, they
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can they can disagree, and then I can say, well
here's all the facts. Do you do you not like
the facts? There's the reason Kobe's at tim There's a
reason Kobe with three rings push shack away because when
he had the three rings and we're saying he's saying, hey,
I'm Michael Jordan, They're like, yeah, well Shaq is carrying
you and he's like wait what no, wait wait hold
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on a lim. You told me that I'm the next
thing to Michael Jordan. Why are you not treating me
like that? So now as well, I need to get
rid of him to show who I am winning. That's
why his fourth and fifth ring to him is the
most special one.
Speaker 9 (28:56):
They're the sweetest ones. You see, the reality of it is.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
We're we're we're finding out in real time.
Speaker 9 (29:04):
We're told championships is everything.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
When we're getting them and we're not being recognized for him,
that's when reality kicks in.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
But do you think that Kobe is the one who
initiated this? I mean there was friction with him in Shack.
First of all, Shack had his little brother. Then all
of a sudden, little brother is getting thirty, and then
all of a sudden things change that Yes we did win,
I you know, had an equal hand in this. But
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then did it get to the point where both their
egos or maybe Kobe's ego to say I got to
prove that I can win without Shack.
Speaker 8 (29:42):
And that's and that's that's exactly what it is. You're winning.
He's getting all the credit and he's like, well.
Speaker 9 (29:48):
I have this thirty two. I did my part.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
Why I'm not getting the equal love, right. So when
we talk about champions and you're giving options and won
all the love, while Option Tour is like, I did
just as much damage, Kyrie, same thing.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
Pay hold on, I hit the game winner. I hit
the game winner then, and Lebron is getting all the credits.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
So he's like, well, I need to I need to
go and show people I can do this by myself too.
That's what ends up happening. That's where the egos come from.
The egos come from. I'm watching the guy get all
the love and I'm waiting next and I'm hearing all
the people and everybody's going getting all all the graphs
and they're like, hey, Robin, you did great, and he's like, Robin, no, no, no.
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I'm like, I'm like a batman too. I'm like a
little bit like I'm one B. I'm one B. Give
me the one beloved and they don't get it. And
that's where the ego plays a part. How many titles?
If Shaq and Kobe stay together, do you think they win?
I talked to players on the team because I'm a big,
big Kobe fan. Even though people don't think like every
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my whole life revolves around the tattoos la Kobe everything.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Wait, you got be tattoos?
Speaker 8 (31:01):
I got number. I got a twenty four tatt after
he won his championship by himself.
Speaker 9 (31:06):
Right, I got it. I got it right on my leg,
twenty four. Tat it right Because as a Kobe.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
Fan, when they say you couldn't win one without Shaq,
it's like you.
Speaker 9 (31:14):
Proved everybody wrong. Yes, that's yes.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Wait wait wait you're in the league with Kobe. Yeah,
and you got a tattoo of Kobe.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
What did he say when he saw it?
Speaker 9 (31:28):
He never knows, he's never seen it before.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Did he know you had it? Yes?
Speaker 9 (31:33):
Like people don't know. Like people don't know. Like I played.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
I played in the Olympics or the two thousand and
six Friba games.
Speaker 9 (31:40):
I wore number ten. I wore number.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
Ten because I had the conversation with Kobe if you
ever played in the game, what number would you wear?
And he said, I'm wearing number ten because there's one
more than Jordan's nine.
Speaker 9 (31:51):
Okay, So when I got.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
The team, I wore ten, and then when I didn't
make the team and he played, he wore ten. But
I did that for I did that for that, so
I'm will be always.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It's kind of stalker ish here, you know for sure?
Yeah no, no, no, you have any other players on your body?
Speaker 9 (32:09):
No, just just coked. No no, oh no. Penny Hardaway College.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
So those are my two favorite Penny Hardaway when I.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
Went to Orlando. When I went to Orlando, I wore
number one. I were number one.
Speaker 8 (32:21):
Also, so I have Penny twenty five on my leg.
So I wore twenty five in high school because of
Penny Memphis.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Jeff short Son, Yes, show me the Kobe one, all.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
Right, say, I don't know if you can see so.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
So whoa, okay, wow you got uh yeah, you got
Kobe close to your heart.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
There it is twenty five twenty four right here, and
uh it's blessed with skills.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
But I think they would have won if Shack So
this is what was said. If Shaq was still the
leader and the head of the Snake on the two
thousand and two two thousand and three team, we would
have won that fourth championship.
Speaker 9 (33:11):
We would have won the fourth But that's where the.
Speaker 8 (33:13):
Argument where he got coined the batman and then Shaq
got hurt missed the first twelve games of that season,
and Kobe put the crown on, and that's where the
fighting started because Phil couldn't get it from him right.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
He was like, I'm not taking a back seat anymore.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
And so they would have won that championship if Shaq
was still the lead dog, they think, and then obviously
the Karl alone them they could have won that one.
Speaker 9 (33:37):
But I think they would have probably had at that.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
Time all the way probably to two thousands six or
the two thousand and sixth season, they could have still
managed just add a couple of pieces. Then Shaq would
have probably start declining right there, and then just you know,
added someone else.
Speaker 9 (33:59):
I think they could have.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
What do you say to your wife or what does
your wife say to you when she realizes you have
Kobe's tattoo?
Speaker 9 (34:08):
That's it's my fandom, it's my it's my fandom. I'm
a fan.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
Like I'm one of those like if I wasn't an
NBA player, I would be a season ticket holder with
the paint on sitting there that that that crazy guy
that's outside as the broadogram, that will be me, Like
I was. I was a fan first, and I used
to say when I played like I'm an NBA player,
but I'm a fan first, so I got That's why
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I got all the autographs. If you look at my room, right,
I got the ok c's on one side and then Indianna's.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
One on the other side. Right, I'm rooting for both, right,
But I'm a Laker. I'm a Laker at at at heart.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
But I now know why you didn't show Kobe, given
the location of that tattoo on inner thigh, you don't
show Hey, Kobe, come here.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I want to show you something.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
You know, it's it looks a little weird, is you know?
Speaker 8 (35:00):
Why would you put it down here and say, well,
I'm covering everywhere else?
Speaker 9 (35:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Great to talk to you, as always, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
That's a Gilbert Arenas, host of Gil's Arena podcast and
Gil and Underdog's Hit show, which streams Monday through Thursday
gils Arena. You can find it on YouTube, also Spotify, Apple,
wherever you get your podcast. Always fun, always, but I
love the enthusiasm that he does love the game and
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he knows the game as well. We'll take a break
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hour on this Monday, Dan and the Dan EDGs, Dan
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truly in the brgs, the back room, guys, Congratulations to
the Oklahoma City Thunder. It's almost like, Okay, you won
your title. Now we want to talk about the other things.
The draft is coming up Wednesday. How about Durant with Houston?
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Is Gianni's going to be traded? You give the flowers
to oksee, they deserve it. They did everything that you
want in a championship team. They won their game, sevens
that they had. They had the best player in the sport.
He came up big just about every game he played big.
Previous game did not, but came back like a true
MVP and a team effort. I know it wasn't exciting.
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You didn't have star power there. We love to have
our stars. You didn't have it. It's like going to
see a great movie or a great Broadway play and
somebody says, well, who's in it?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Nobody really know? Was it good?
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, it was really good.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I think we're going to remember this NBA Finals though
for Tyrese Haliburton, SGA was wonderful. But I think we're
gonna remember Tyrese Haliburton what happened in Game one, the injury,
coming back playing, and then last night trying to play,
start out well and then ends up blowing out a hamstring.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yes, Marvin, if the Oklahoma City Thunder had stars, would
we look at them as one of the greatest teams
ever they won sixty eight games.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I think it would help because then it kind of
validates when you're making your argument. You know, you can
go back to what the four Pistons when they won,
but I don't know, if they had star power, you
were like, yeah, they were really good, Okay, give me
their best players. Like that's how you make your argument.
It feels like when you go they had Bird and
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McHale and Parrish and DJ and Walton, and they had
magic and they worthy in Kareem and Coop and Scott.
Then it feels like, Okay, I got it. Those are
great teams. Yes, yes, ma'am, the Four Pissons.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
The most famous person might be the head coach. Larry
Brown was the head coach, So just like a coronation.
Other than that, they had a bunch of haul of
very good guys.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, yeah, but I do think, you know, it's star power.
Just about everything that we attach to greatness is do
we know who you are or you're on the cusp
of being something great? And I think Sga you know,
I said that he was efficiently brilliant. There's no highlight really,
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he just he's a bucket. He's he's you know, I'm
not going to say unstoppable, but he's pretty close to it.
He gets what he wants to get when he wants
to get it, and that's the mark of a great player.
And he came up big when you wanted him to.
But I think in ten years from now, we'll look
back and it'll be about Tyrese Halibert.
Speaker 10 (38:49):
Yeah, poet and the Thunder. It goes back to like
the San Antonio Spurs. Yeah, they weren't a lot of
famous people, not a lot of entertainment value.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
But if you win like two.
Speaker 10 (38:59):
And three years or back to back or three and
six years, you force America to get to know your names.
Even you know, Draymond Green, he became famous not because
he's this best player on earth, a very good player,
but constantly in the finals and make you hard to ignore.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Well when you win.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Sometimes when you win more frequently, then we attach greatness
to you. If Draymond Green played for Cleveland or Sacramento,
nobody would really care. Now you'd be like, oh, that guy,
he's a pest. Now he's a really good defender, but
you know, he wouldn't have any he wouldn't be a
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
But he didn't.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
He did all the things that that team needed him
to do. And by proxy, you're you know, by being
a champion multiple times, now you're a hall of famer.
That's what helps play for winning teams. You get recognized, yes, marm.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
So the thunder have to win another championship in order
for us to remember them in ten years.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Probably.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I think if you go back to back, you get
people's attention. Yeah, And look, I know this sounds, oh
we just want a title. Why are you guys piling
on I'm just giving you my view. Okay, I don't
play to the local. It doesn't matter. I picked Indiana
to win. But if you know, even if Indiana won,
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we might be doing the same thing today, just to
be fair to the situation I watched. I didn't care
what the ratings were. If other shows didn't want to
cover this, that's on them. That you have your own show,
you have your own interpretation of what you want on
your show, and we've you know, picked out you know,
we've been sparingly covering other things, but also the NBA finals.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Same with this Stanley Cup final.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
You know, I'm trying to find interesting things in these
games or players or an interview. It's no different than
any other sport.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Yes, Mark, and I think the big difference, going back
to the O four Pistons, it's who they beat. They
beat a Shaq and Kobe Lakers team. The thunderbeat a
team with less star power than they did, you know,
so it makes it even less memorable.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah, no, it's fair, it's fair.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
But congratulations to the Oklahoma City Thunder waiting sorry Thunder.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah yeah, Paul.
Speaker 10 (41:16):
When we got the halftime last night, I started thinking
about if it goes the other way because they have
a one point lead to Pacers. If somehow Oklahoma City
loses that game and we're talking about the Pacers today,
I don't know what level of all time upset that is,
but I think it's all time all time.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yes, it's because okac was one of the biggest favorites
in the history of the NBA. Make the segue to
Chris Manning, Sports Illustrated senior writer. He's at the airport,
ok See. He was there covering the game last night. Chris,
thanks for joining us. What was your gut feeling prior
to tip off last night?
Speaker 5 (41:51):
The gut feeling, I would say was.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
A game could have played out one of two ways.
There was a sense that Oklahoma City could just boat
race Indiana. The Pacers left it all on the floor
in Game six. I mean, they expended a lot of energy,
and it's really hard to do that two games in
a row, especially when that second game is on the
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road in a building that has a ton of juice
to it. The other potential outcome was another miraculous Indiana
you know, fourth quarter comeback where they pull out a
very narrow victory.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
So going into that game, there was it. Really that
was the sense that there were two outcomes that there
could be.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Obviously, when Haliburton goes down, you don't know how Indiana's
going to react to that. But the sense in the
building was, what at that point.
Speaker 7 (42:49):
I've never experienced anything like that in all my years
of covering basketball, where there is so much energy in
the building for a game and in the first quarter
of a game, and then to have that energy completely
taken out of the building, the air taken out of
the balloon. You know, it was in that moment everybody
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in that building realized the significance of what had just happened.
You know, from the fans and the coaches, to the players,
to the media.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
You knew right then and there that that something really
bad had happened.
Speaker 7 (43:25):
Based on the reaction of Halliburton, how the Thunder players reacted,
how quickly all the Pacers players got on the floor
to circle him.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
It was. It was strange, like just a It was.
Speaker 7 (43:38):
Pandemonium in one moment, and then it was eerily silent
in the next because everybody just knew that that we've
just seen something pretty horrible on the floor.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Fifteen twenty years from now, we'll look back on this
NBA Finals and we will remember what.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
Oh I think up the top, you proably remember the
Halliburton injury. It's like it takes nothing away from Oklahoma
City and what it accomplished. I mean, and look, Halliburton,
no Halliburton, you know, holding Indiana to forty three points
in the second half, winning the third quarter thirty four
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to twenty, you know, putting their stamp on the game.
Speaker 5 (44:18):
I mean, that was That's how you win.
Speaker 7 (44:19):
Like that is that was a statement second half, specifically
that that third quarter by Oklahoma City. But it's going
to be one of the great what ifs, not just
because Halliburton got hurt Dan, but Halliburton was he was
cooking in that moment. He was three or five from
the floor, three or four from three point range. I mean,
he was playing great basketball. I just I think when
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we look back on this and look at that series,
you I say, wow, six ultra competitive games. What might
have happened in Game seven if Tyree's Haliburt on the floor,
had the guy that offered this this incredible postseason story,
one of the greatest postseason stories we've ever seen, with
the that he was making, could he have done it
one more time in Game seven of the Finals.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
The future of OKAC we like to look at, hey,
is this the embryonic stages of a dynasty? Although there's
a whole lot of competition out west, So what's the
future immediate future with OKC.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
I mean, I'm like.
Speaker 7 (45:19):
A year removed from writing about the Celtics dynasty that
was about to start, So god knows what could happen.
You know, really we're just like one year ago today
we were talking about the age of Brown and Tatum,
and you know, Die Holliday is still in his prime.
For zingis Derek White, Like who is going to beat
these guys?
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Like? And now the Celtics.
Speaker 7 (45:40):
Are looking at you know, at least a one year
gap year and maybe longer. I do think, though, Dan,
Oklahoma City is uniquely equipped to have some longevity for
two reasons. One, there's gonna be organic growth there. Like
you look at this team, like most of the guys
are only seven to under, and guys like Chet Holmgren,
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Jalen Williams, Aaron Wiggins off the bench, They've got another
level they can go to just through organic growth. I
mean I was talking to someone close to Chet last night,
and they were like, he's gonna be in the weight
room all summer, Like he's gonna get stronger this summer.
He's going to come back a better player. So I
think there's there's room organically for them to grow. And Look,
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one of the things that's prevented some of these recent
champions from becoming the quote dynasties has been that they
haven't had the replacement players when some of their their
veterans have priced out under these new cap rules. They
haven't had guys right a step in. It's what'stop Milwaukee
from getting there again. Denver. We know that as they've
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lost talent, other guys have not stepped up. Oklahoma City
is different though, like Oko Cite. I mean, they have
a kid named Nicole It Topitch who was their lottery
pick last year, a guy that would have been inside
the top ten had he been healthy. He was out
all year with a knee injury. When I talk to
people in Oklahoma City about him, like he's going to
be in the rotation next year, Like he's a six
to six point guard that you know has one of
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those dynamic European games. They've got something like seven first
round draft picks in the next four drafts. The point
is they're not going to they could, They're more less
likely to fall into that situation where when they lose
pricey veterans like a lou Dort for example, they're not
going to be able to replace them with guys that
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are close to that level. That's why I think this team,
as much as any team over the last six or
seven years, has a chance to have some longevity at
the top.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Talking to Chris mannis Sports Illustrated senior writer joining us
from Oklahoma City. Of course, the other big news Kevin
Durant being traded to Houston. Now, what does Houston impose
on the rest of the NBA after this? You know,
how do they look or how do they feel after
this move.
Speaker 7 (47:54):
I think it's a great deal, and I think it
was always the deal that was going to happen. I
was reporting back in February that there was mutual interest
at the time between Durant and certainly people within the Rockets,
specifically Ema Udoka. But the Rockets were determined back then
to see what that young team had to see if
Jalen Green could step up and become a you know,
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a guy that could you could be trusted with the
ball in a playoff and had the scenario.
Speaker 5 (48:22):
They wanted to see what that team had.
Speaker 7 (48:23):
They figured out it was lacking a player like Kevin Durant,
and they went out and got him. They didn't have
to give up a lot. I mean, look, they were
looking the part with Jalen Green anyway. You know, he
was no longer really a prospect to them. He was
kind of just a bad contract to them. Give the
tenth overall pick in the draft, that's whatever. You know,
draft of the five second round picks is really just
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window dressing. That's not something that's all that consequential. And
you get a guy that, even at thirty seven years old,
is still one of the best scores in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (48:55):
And you look at that team in the Golden State Series, Dan,
what were they missing?
Speaker 7 (48:58):
You know, a guy that could get them a buck
it in the fourth quarter. It can't always be Alprin Sangoon.
You know, with the ball in his hands down the stretch,
Kevin Durant's gonna help them a lot. To the point
where like if I'm making up power rankings of kind
of who is Oklahoma City's biggest threat next year? Houston
is right there at the top one or one A
with maybe a team like Denver as the biggest threats
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to in the Western Conference to the Thunder.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
What's the future of the Phoenix Suns, I.
Speaker 7 (49:28):
Mean, just making bad decisions over and over again and
not stoping. What does that roster even look like right now?
Like you've got Jalen Green, Bradley Beal and Devin Booker.
How does that work? Like who's sharing the ball in
that particular situation? Like I'd like to give Phoenix the
benefit of the doubt and think that maybe they have
another move left in me and people around the league
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have been talking to me about that that, Like there's
no way right you can have that you know, backcourt
or three person rotation going to that season. But Bradley
Beal is untradeable. There's no real market for Jalen Green.
They said they're not going to trade Devin Booker, So
I don't know what they're I don't really know what
they're trying to do.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
Like the big the big win for the Rockets and
all this Dan is that they didn't have to give.
Speaker 7 (50:11):
Up any of the Sun's draft capital that they own
so that.
Speaker 5 (50:13):
They can you know, continue on.
Speaker 7 (50:15):
Their path to trying to you know, win with the
group that they have while simultaneously rooting for you know,
the self destruction.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
Of the Phoenix Sun.
Speaker 7 (50:26):
So in twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty nine, they can
have those draft picks and continue to flesh out their roster.
I just thought, I just thought it was a big
win for the Rockets and Phoenix. You know, they were
out there, you know, trying to recoup close to what
they got from you know, for what they traded for
Durant back a few years ago when laughed out of
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the room. You know, you know, San Antonio didn't really
have any interest. They're going big game hunting, you know, whenever, if, if,
and when Giannis becomes available. Miami couldn't wasn't going to
give up any of its young pieces. I mean we
got to the point, Dan where like Toronto wasn't gonna
part with Yaka Peartle, Like this is where we are.
Yaka Peartle, who was like the throw in in the
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Kawhi Leonard deal years ago, was a guy that Toronto
was not going to give up for Kevin Durant. I mean,
Phoenix tried, I'll get him credit for that, But you know,
this was always how I was gonna hand and I
don't think this.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Makes them remotely better.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
The deeper we get into the summer, the odds for
Giannis to be traded or what.
Speaker 7 (51:28):
So my understanding with Giannis is that he's gonna sit
back and see where the ships fall. In all this,
it is notable to me that the San Antonio Spurs
hired Sean Sweeney to be their associate head coach.
Speaker 5 (51:43):
Sean was very close with Yanni's in Milwaukee.
Speaker 7 (51:45):
Who's don Jason Kidds top assistance was over in Europe
all the time working with Giannis. He's a credible coach alone,
he's worthy of a coaching bump in San Antonio. But
I did think it's notable they bring someone like that in.
But I think Jannis is going to see what Milwaukee's
able to do over the next week. The Bucks are trying,
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like they're making every effort, but they don't have a
lot of draft capital to work with. They don't have
a ton of movable contracts. They've got a conundrum with
Brook Lopez, who's you know, he's a free agent, and
it's going to be expensive for them to bring back
I just think Jannis wants to get to I read
on Jeanie will get to mid to late July, early
August and then see what's out there for him. If
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if the Bucks have done something that might make him
believe that they can compete next year, I think he'll
He's more inclined to stay. But if he's looking at
a team that is going to be fighting for a
birth and the play in, That's why I think things
would get interesting.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Great to talk to you again, Save travels, Chris. Thanks
for joining us, and.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
You never called me anymore.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
Dan, I'll become a rich Eisen guy. These days. Rich
Eisen calls me and Patrick does not call me.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Okay, you should have said to Rich Eisen, I'm and
Patrick's guy, and then we'd probably have a relationship. So
I'm going to blame you because you are flirting with
everybody instead of being loyal to me.
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I am a very disloyal guy that I found that
in my life and I'll walk.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
But I'm back, baby, I'm back.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Thank you, Chris.
Speaker 5 (53:22):
You got it death.
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Chris mannings, former friend of the show, senior writer with
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Congratulations to the Oklahoma City Thunder. The best regular season team,
the best postseason team. But the Pacers held on for
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dear life. They pushed it to seven games. But the
Tyree's Halliburton injury was tough to overcome. We talked about
it when he injured his calf, and you'll see this
that the calf injury and the possibility of an achilles injury.
We talked about that last week. Unfortunately it came to
fruition and you couldn't help but think of Kevin Durant
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when he got off to a hot start and then
he blew out his achilles a few years ago. But
Tyrese Haliburton will remember an incredible postseason run. Also, Shay
gilgis Alexander not many. This is rarefied air. When you
put him in there with Michael and Shack. When you're
going to be the regular season MVP scoring champ. You're
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going to win an NBA title Finals MVP. And he
did it in an effortless way. He did it in
an old school way. Now I say old school because
he doesn't rely on the three point shot. He'll beach
off the dribble. He's capable of scoring on three different levels.
But he was efficiently brilliant in the NBA Finals. We'll
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the Kevin Durant trade that happened yesterday.
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Speaker 3 (02:22):
To be what, well, I've got something that could be
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Speaker 1 (02:29):
Two people here?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Okay, Paul and Todd have both submitted the same pole question.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
O man, what happened to Paul? That's right?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Is Todd coming up or is Paul going down?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I can't really tell Paul.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
What's the possibility of both questions being good?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
That's for you to decide that. All Righty, the NBA
Finals was memorable for dot dot dot. Uh, Well, let's see, Paul.
Options were the first title of this young OKC team,
SGA cementing himself as a superstar, Pacers fight, Halliburton's injury
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or nothing or nothing? Yes Todd's suggestions where the sitter
the Oklahoma City winning their first ever title, SGA being
named the MVP, Halliburton's injury, or Kevin Durant getting traded
to this from the Suns to the Rockets.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Hmm with no local ties. I would say Tyree's Halliburton's injury.
I think his playoff performance leading into the NBA Finals
and he gave them hope. SGA was you know, brilliant,
(03:54):
and he also had a you know, a Game seven
that we haven't had in a long time. You know,
twenty nine and twelve assists. First player to reach those
numbers in game seven of an NBA Finals you have
to go back to nineteen seventy when Wald Fraser went
for thirty six and nineteen. I just think the injury
with Halliburton because of all the big shots that he
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had leading into the finals, that he gave them hope,
and hope went down and didn't get back up last night.
So I would say, in ten years from now, let's
put it that way. How about we put a window
on this. Ten years from now, when we look back
on this year's NBA Finals, it's probably going to be
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Tyrese Haliburton will remember because of the injury, how they
had played, they forced at game seven. Okay, see was
the best team, but I think what the Pacers did
created more headline conversation than what Oklahoma City did.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, I think how we remember this Finals is dependent
on how both of these teams do the next three years.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
If we go right back to after this.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Year, if next year we go back to some sort
of like return cycle of you know, Warriors, Lakers, Celtics,
you know, whoever win, then don't I don't know what
we're going to really remember from this one, but if
the Pacers go on to be greater or the Thunder
going to keep being greater, it's going to shape how
this one is remembered.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
But also keep in mind Tyrese Haliburton will probably be
out all next year, so you know his impact is
going to be felt next year because he won't be
able to play. Jason Tatum not able to play for
the Celtics next year, probably not, so factor those in
and how that shapes the East because the East is
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really really wide open now, and we don't even know
if Jannis is going to stay in Milwaukee like all
of a sudden, Orlando, the Cavaliers, obviously Garland's having toe surgery,
but they would be the favorites. The Knicks, you know,
once again, would be in the in the in the
conversation there. But if you don't have Tatum and you
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don't have Halliburton, and those are the best players on
the on the best teams right now. East is wide open.
That's where Yannis might go. H maybe can you help
me out a little bit here? Can you give me
something here in Milwaukee. But we'll talk to Chris Mannix
about this, because I think Mannix gets the feeling that Jannis,
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if he's going anywhere, would end up in San Antonio.
But Kevin Durant ending up with Houston. You know that
Cleveland was in this. I'm told at the last minute,
like there were teams going, hey, we know you got
to trade him. What's it going to take? And I
think the Knicks made another run out. Everybody was kind
of like circling it was. It was a open secret
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that Durant was going to be traded, and the question
was where's he going to be traded? And it was
going to be this week because the draft is coming
up on Wednesday night.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
But we'll talk about that.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
With Durant being traded and Houston, I thought did pretty
well here.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You can look at the draft picks.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I don't look at the draft picks the way I
used to because it just feels like, eh, and we'll
give you a I don't know how many second round
picks you want?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
You want four?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
You won five, go ahead, take whatever you want. And
Jalen Green, it's weird to be what is he twenty
three and he averaged you know, over I think he
might have averaged twenty three points a game. He didn't
do well in the postseason, and I think there was
concern with Houston that maybe he is not that number
one guy. Phoenix Suns are a mess. They really are,
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and they you know, it's not just one year. I
mean they've been consistent in being a mess because you
get Bradley Beal. I can only warn these owners in
GMS so often. If they're not going to listen to me,
then it's on them. Get a new owner. Matt Eshmia,
former walk on at Michigan State. All of a sudden,
(08:03):
you start making decisions. You bring in Durant. You gave
up a lot to get Durant. Devin Booker. I don't
are you building around Devin Booker? Like it feels like
who is anybody going to pass the ball on that team?
Bradley Beal, Devin Booker and Jalen Green. I don't like that.
I don't like that at all. But when I saw it.
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I go all right, Durant goes to Houston. I like
the roster. M a Udoka, the head coach, just got
a contract extension. It's a young team, but now you
have a closer. Now you got a guy can go
get you a bucket, and that's going to make them
extremely dangerous. It's a young team, aggressive team, good defensive team,
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and now you got a guy crunch time who can
get you a bucket. Now, granted he's thirty seven, but
his game is not really predicated on jumping high or
moving fast. Just feels like he gets to spots and
he will kill you. But from the perspective of the Rockets,
I like what they did because it's now now they're
(09:11):
trying to win a championship where Phoenix, Phoenix is going
to have to take the wrecking ball, and.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I can you can't trade Bradley Beal.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Imagine Lebron and Bradley be are the two guys who
don't have no trade classes.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
So yeah, you have Bradley Beal and.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Devin Booker and Jalen Green and I don't know the
ghost of Steve Nash there, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
The crazy part is the Suns were in the finals
in twenty twenty nine. No, I know how things change
so fast with a young Devin Booker. If you're thinking
when they got to the finals, oh, we'll be back.
That's the scariest part about getting to the finals. You
don't know which way it's going to go.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I brought up this calf issue thing because Dame Lillard
and Jason Tatum both told Gilbert Arenas that they had
calf injuries before they told their tore their achilles, and
that's what happened with Tyree's Haliburton.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And that's why I wondered, can you put him out there?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I know he wants to be out there, but you
have he has to know that there is a risk
that you're going to you're gonna tear your achilles. Tatum
and Dame Lillard both had calf injuries and then they
tore their achilles, and that's what happened with Tyre's Haliburton. Also,
don't wear the number zero, Dame Lillard zero, Jason Tatum zero,
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Tyre's Halliburton zero. Yikes, who else is wearing zero? We
got to give them a heads up. Christian Brown, be careful. Well, Okay,
if he wears zero. Sure. All righty, so the poll question,
what are we going to remember seeing any other poll
question for the first hour of the program.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, we got one more here for you. Okay, bigger
mistake trading SGA, Trading the Sonics.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, that owner wanted to move them to Okay C. Yeah,
so I get that. But you go back to when
Shay Gilgis was traded. Now Sam Presty Oklahoma City GM
insisted that SGA was going to be in the deal,
and I think the Clippers were trying to hold on
to him. He finished sixth in the Rookie of the
(11:31):
Year ballot, and he averaged only twelve points a game.
Anybody who said, well I saw this, I think he
might be lying, because that felt like, all right, you
take Paul George, take his contract.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
What are you going to give us in return?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And they had accumulated so many draft picks there in
Oklahoma City, and all of a sudden, you know, I
watched Shay Gilgis at Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I can't tell you.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I remember one play that he had kind of like
the way he plays nowhere you go, I think I
can score. I mean, he was just another Kentucky player, Hey,
you can score, Okay, can get to the hoop. I
didn't think, oh my god, that guy's gonna be He's
going to do something that is in rarefied air with
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Kareem and Shaq and Michael Jordan. Imagine that you're on
that list and he did it. I don't think anybody
saw that coming, that he would be this great. But this,
you know, this has been a process, like five six
years to get to this point. Remember chat Holmgren. As
soon as they got him, he got hurt in that
(12:35):
summer All Star game that he was playing in. He's
had a hip injury. He's obviously injury prone here. But
you're getting guys and you're going, Okay, nobody wants Alex Caruso.
We'll take him. Lou Dort, who Jalen Williams who? I mean,
come on, guy went to Santa Clara. That's where you
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look at scouting, That's where you look at what you
do and you know down in the lab, and that's
what Okac has done a wonderful job. And it starts
with Sam Presty. I think he took over. He was
twenty eight years of age when he was a GM
And now what is he forty seven? Still young for
that job? But you know this is why when we
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talk about the Lakers that you get new ownership. Now
you can't go out and just buy whoever you want,
but they're going to help the infrastructure of the Lakers scouting.
I mean that that's where you beef up. And you
know that's what OKAC has done. It did a wonderful
job and should be commended for finding those players who
do fit in.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
The key for OKC as we move forward is shay
Gilgess is probably going to get a contract that's going
to pay him eighty million dollars a year. Just start
there now. Is Chad Hombern going to take less? Is
Jalen Williams going to Is anybody taking less? To stay
again to win a championship? As a former NBA champion
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once told me, once I got my ring, I wanted
my money. That's what happens. I got my ring, now
I want my money. Look at what happened with the Nuggets,
those guys, bench players, they got their ring, then they
wanted their money. It's a natural evolution when you're trying
to keep these teams together, that's what you have to
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have in place. Is there a commonality that, hey, let's
do that, Let's continue to do this. We're having fun,
we're the best team, we're young, we have plenty of
time to make plenty of money. It sounds altruistic, but
it doesn't happen that way. Guys are gonna leave, Guys
are gonna want their money. I understand it. Natural evolution here,
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Speaker 2 (16:24):
Let me start with ten years from now, we'll remember
these NBA finals for.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
What, nothing, nothing.
Speaker 8 (16:34):
Nothing, We won't know. Let's just be honest. When it
comes to small market teams.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
We really don't remember much about them.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
We don't really talk about the Toronto Championship, we don't
really talk about the Bucks Janna Championship and with this one,
I mean, the only memorable thing was Halle game winner
Game one. Other than that, there was nothing in this
finals that makes you say, oh my god, this was
(17:05):
the great Finals and let's put it up there with
the top ten of all time. It's not they didn't
have none of those moments.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, I mentioned Haliburton.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Ten years from now will remember him, but it's because
of the postseason run Game one and then blowing out
his achilles. So I think if we just say his name,
I think we'll remember that ten years from now.
Speaker 8 (17:27):
I think he'd be more remembered for the Eastern Conference
Finals what he did to the New York Knicks, because
that was a big series. That was like one of
those series because it was New York and all the
exposure on it and he showed up. I think he
would be more remembered for that series than really what
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happened in the finals.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You talked to a couple of guys who have blown
out their achilles, and they had there was a commonality
to that of you have a CAF injury. So you
talk to Tatum and Dame Lillard and then you see Halliburton.
We shouldn't be surprised that this happened.
Speaker 8 (18:05):
No, no, we shouldn't, you know, I think we all
thought about it. I think Kendrick Perkins mentioned that he
shouldn't play in Game six because of what has happened
in the past. I don't remember ever when calve strains
turned into achille tears from the past. So I wanted
to ask, like, do you have any symptoms? Were there
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any sympom They both said, yeah, my calf.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
Was you know, hurting. So we all knew he had
a calf strain.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
We all threw it out there that this could happen,
but to see it happen.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
Is another thing.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
And you know, it's just sad that this happened in
the finals and him trying to fight back and help
his team win.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
But is this just a coincidence with calf injuries leading
to torn achilles.
Speaker 9 (18:52):
With Katie we.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Could have said yes, But three people in just this
year a loone right, you know, where it's pointed out
that hey, hold on, these strains are turning into you.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
Know, achille tears.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
So I think now when someone has a calf strain,
they should really treat it double treatment now, Like so
if it was you know, two to three weeks, let's
start doing five to six just in case, because we
can see.
Speaker 9 (19:23):
That it's it's costing you nine to twelve months.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well, a former player told me when he saw that
he had a calf injury. He said, during the regular season,
he's sitting out like he's going to be out for
at least a week with that, he's trying to come back.
He's you know, it's the NBA Finals. You don't want
to be on the bench. You want to try to
help your team. And unfortunately this season ends that way.
The other option that we had of what do we
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remember ten years from now during the NBA Finals, could
be Kevin Durant got traded during the NBA Finals to
the Rockets.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
No, true, true, that was a big trade. And think
that that was gonna happen that soon. I don't even
remember trades happening during the NBA Finals.
Speaker 9 (20:08):
This is this is new.
Speaker 8 (20:09):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
The commissioner, Commissioner Stern, he had an edict, no news,
don't be hiring somebody, don't be firing somebody, no trades.
Let the NBA Finals stand alone. That's what was surprising
about this that you had what happened with the Lakers sale,
and then you had KD being traded during the.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
NBA Finals and to Memphis. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
Let's let's just be honest. It was probably the most
exciting stuff during.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
The finals, you know.
Speaker 8 (20:41):
And I know, you know when we talk about small markets,
it's needed because there are you know, cities that need finals,
they need recognition. But you know when you do have
you know, teams like that that match up, the sales
is down, the marketing is down, the view is down.
Speaker 9 (21:00):
It's clocked through history.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
So you know, any kind of exposure that has to
do with the NBA, it is needed, no matter if
you like it or not.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And Durant going to Houston.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
We're talking to Gilbert Arenas his podcast, Gil's Arena. You
have Durant going there and he's gonna be but thirty seven.
I know, he's not a guy who you know, needs
to jump, be fast, be quick. Like he's a guy
who picks gets his spots and then he's going to score.
I don't know what, like, what does he add to
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Houston that you can count on? And and are they
a true title contender?
Speaker 8 (21:39):
What you do ad is guarantee twenty to twenty five.
You can just you know, staple that in. So he's
gonna give them consistency on you.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
Know, getting buckets when they need it.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
The only concern I will have is is the rest
of the group mature enough to help him win?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
See?
Speaker 8 (22:01):
I think that's usually what we miss here with Kevin Durant.
Speaker 9 (22:05):
He's an A student now.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
The people around him that he has to do these
group projects with, they're not A students with him. Right
when he went to Golden State a students honor students,
We've seen what happened when he went to you know,
Brooklyn and everybody wasn't you know, doing turning in the assignments.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
Same thing in the Suns, everybody wasn't turning in their assignments.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
But he's getting blamed for the group project when his
part of the assignment is an A. Now, this is
what is everyone going to bring an A type performance
for them to be successful, And I don't think they're
ready for that yet. Their games are not mature. Sangoon
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still thinks he's Jokic. When you're Sangoon, you guys have
different games. You have to understand what you're good at.
Stop trying to be you know Yoki, so he's still
having trying to figure out what his game is. Same
thing with Amen. Amen's trying to figure out what is he.
We know your freak of nature, we know you are
(23:08):
a two way player, but you really have to carve
out your identity. So with so many pieces trying to
figure out who they are, I don't know if they're
going to be a real contender. But they do have
Kevin Durant and you have a great coach. Everybody else
has roles that they they accept, so.
Speaker 9 (23:27):
It could work.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Phoenix Suns are a mess, Yeah, a mess.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
Yeah, I mean it starts from the head right when
you're talking about not Kevin Durant, we're talking about the owner, right,
even though he has a basketball background went to Michigan State.
Do you know what it takes to put a winning
team together?
Speaker 9 (23:56):
That goes from.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
Personalities, that goes from basketball style, that goes from coaching,
that goes from gms.
Speaker 9 (24:01):
What are they looking at? What's their eye? Right?
Speaker 8 (24:03):
You have to have an eye for talent and how
it works together. Like just playing in the game and
looking at those three I'm saying, oh, you need to
be in a triangle or you need to be in
the Princeton offense, because the offense is not made for
your superstar.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
It's made for the team. So the team can move around.
Speaker 8 (24:21):
And get little buckets here and there to keep them excited,
to keep the defense honest. But when you have a
stationary offense where your three main guys have the ball
to everyone since in the corner, I don't have to
guard the corner guys, So that means I'm just gonna
guard Kevin, Duran and Build and we're just gonna load up.
And that's what the triangle was made for. Yeah, we
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got Jordan, Kobe and Shack, but we're gonna make you
guard bj Armstrong, Steve Kerb because we're gonna move them
off screens and if you don't play it correctly, here's
gonna be a layup, here's gonna be a jump shot.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
And that's what they didn't do in suns.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
What was your thought or thoughts on Lebron where he's said,
you know that we're obsessed with chasing rings. The media
is obsessed with players chasing rings.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
He's right right. It was the same thing Michael Jordan said.
You know, he said the same exact thing. He said,
you know Bill Russell got eleven, but does that make
him better than me?
Speaker 9 (25:17):
Right? I got six? Does that make me better than him?
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Because obviously there's more to just a ring and talent.
You can be talented and not win a ring. You
can be horrible and win a ring because you got
a great cast around you. So what they're saying is correct,
and it goes by the top seventy five list, right,
the top seventy five lists that was put in, voted in,
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and then they voted in order. That lets you know
rings doesn't necessarily matter because you have Scottie Pippen with
six rings, six All NBA or seven All NBAS, seven
All Stars, ten Defensive Awards, but he's sitting at thirty
two already one it's allan iverson, no rings, So you're
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telling me six rings is getting beat out by what
four scoring titles and MVP.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
Then you got Chris Paul sitting at twenty nine.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Then you got Karl Malone, John Stocked and Charles Barkley
not none of them got the rings, but they're all
in front of Scottie Pippen.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
Then that's seventy five.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
You have Dame litter right, six All Stars at the time,
six All NBA's Klay Thompson doesn't make it in He
has three All Three Championships, two five All Stars, two
All nbas so his resume is not better with the rings.
So it's showing you that rings don't matter. Your individual
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talent matters first. Then the rings kind of help you
over the top. But the media has pushed rings as
the cake instead of just a cherry on top.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Would you rather have Scottie Pippen's career or Alan Iverson's.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
History, says Iverson, He's going to be remembered more because
his background says he was a top player in the NBA.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
He was an MVP. Remember all MVPs.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
One, you're the best player if you're a scoring champ,
says your top five.
Speaker 9 (27:16):
I don't know how.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Many scoring champs in the NBA went to second team
All NBA usually their first team All NBA.
Speaker 9 (27:22):
So it kind of says who he was in the NBA. Right.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
You know, the average fan is going to say, yeah,
I'm gonna take the six rings, I'm.
Speaker 9 (27:29):
Gonna be a champ.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
But we're looking at Scottie Pippen and we've seen how
Scottie Pippen has been treated with six rings.
Speaker 9 (27:35):
He's not treated like Michael Jordan.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
Right, So when you say my legacy, the legacy for
you personally, yeah, six rings, but the legacy for everyone
when you walk in public, are you respected? If you
say Scottie Pippen and Alan Iverson, everybody runs to Allen
Iverson because they remember he was iconic at what he did.
I mean, as a basketball player, we're taught we want
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to be a champion. We get reality once our career
is done. And we're sitting there six rings trying to
get you know, these business deals done, and everybody's like, yeah,
you're not Michael Jordan, and you're like hmmm, and you
know that's it's the sad truth. I just do the
research and then say what I found. You know, they
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can they can disagree, and then I can say, well
here's all the facts. Do you do you not like
the facts? There's the reason Kobe's at tim There's a
reason Kobe with three rings push shack away because when
he had the three rings and we're saying he's saying, hey,
I'm Michael Jordan, They're like, yeah, well Shaq is carrying
you and he's like wait what no, wait wait hold
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on a lim. You told me that I'm the next
thing to Michael Jordan. Why are you not treating me
like that? So now as well, I need to get
rid of him to show who I am winning. That's
why his fourth and fifth ring to him is the
most special one.
Speaker 9 (28:56):
They're the sweetest ones. You see, the reality of it is.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
We're we're we're finding out in real time.
Speaker 9 (29:04):
We're told championships is everything.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
When we're getting them and we're not being recognized for him,
that's when reality kicks in.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
But do you think that Kobe is the one who
initiated this? I mean there was friction with him in Shack.
First of all, Shack had his little brother. Then all
of a sudden, little brother is getting thirty, and then
all of a sudden things change that Yes we did win,
I you know, had an equal hand in this. But
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then did it get to the point where both their
egos or maybe Kobe's ego to say I got to
prove that I can win without Shack.
Speaker 8 (29:42):
And that's and that's that's exactly what it is. You're winning.
He's getting all the credit and he's like, well.
Speaker 9 (29:48):
I have this thirty two. I did my part.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
Why I'm not getting the equal love, right. So when
we talk about champions and you're giving options and won
all the love, while Option Tour is like, I did
just as much damage, Kyrie, same thing.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
Pay hold on, I hit the game winner. I hit
the game winner then, and Lebron is getting all the credits.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
So he's like, well, I need to I need to
go and show people I can do this by myself too.
That's what ends up happening. That's where the egos come from.
The egos come from. I'm watching the guy get all
the love and I'm waiting next and I'm hearing all
the people and everybody's going getting all all the graphs
and they're like, hey, Robin, you did great, and he's like, Robin, no, no, no.
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I'm like, I'm like a batman too. I'm like a
little bit like I'm one B. I'm one B. Give
me the one beloved and they don't get it. And
that's where the ego plays a part. How many titles?
If Shaq and Kobe stay together, do you think they win?
I talked to players on the team because I'm a big,
big Kobe fan. Even though people don't think like every
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my whole life revolves around the tattoos la Kobe everything.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Wait, you got be tattoos?
Speaker 8 (31:01):
I got number. I got a twenty four tatt after
he won his championship by himself.
Speaker 9 (31:06):
Right, I got it. I got it right on my leg,
twenty four. Tat it right Because as a Kobe.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
Fan, when they say you couldn't win one without Shaq,
it's like you.
Speaker 9 (31:14):
Proved everybody wrong. Yes, that's yes.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Wait wait wait you're in the league with Kobe. Yeah,
and you got a tattoo of Kobe.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
What did he say when he saw it?
Speaker 9 (31:28):
He never knows, he's never seen it before.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Did he know you had it? Yes?
Speaker 9 (31:33):
Like people don't know. Like people don't know. Like I played.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
I played in the Olympics or the two thousand and
six Friba games.
Speaker 9 (31:40):
I wore number ten. I wore number.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
Ten because I had the conversation with Kobe if you
ever played in the game, what number would you wear?
And he said, I'm wearing number ten because there's one
more than Jordan's nine.
Speaker 9 (31:51):
Okay, So when I got.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
The team, I wore ten, and then when I didn't
make the team and he played, he wore ten. But
I did that for I did that for that, so
I'm will be always.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It's kind of stalker ish here, you know for sure?
Yeah no, no, no, you have any other players on your body?
Speaker 9 (32:09):
No, just just coked. No no, oh no. Penny Hardaway College.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
So those are my two favorite Penny Hardaway when I.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
Went to Orlando. When I went to Orlando, I wore
number one. I were number one.
Speaker 8 (32:21):
Also, so I have Penny twenty five on my leg.
So I wore twenty five in high school because of
Penny Memphis.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Jeff short Son, Yes, show me the Kobe one, all.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
Right, say, I don't know if you can see so.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
So whoa, okay, wow you got uh yeah, you got
Kobe close to your heart.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
There it is twenty five twenty four right here, and
uh it's blessed with skills.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
But I think they would have won if Shack So
this is what was said. If Shaq was still the
leader and the head of the Snake on the two
thousand and two two thousand and three team, we would
have won that fourth championship.
Speaker 9 (33:11):
We would have won the fourth But that's where the.
Speaker 8 (33:13):
Argument where he got coined the batman and then Shaq
got hurt missed the first twelve games of that season,
and Kobe put the crown on, and that's where the
fighting started because Phil couldn't get it from him right.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
He was like, I'm not taking a back seat anymore.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
And so they would have won that championship if Shaq
was still the lead dog, they think, and then obviously
the Karl alone them they could have won that one.
Speaker 9 (33:37):
But I think they would have probably had at that.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
Time all the way probably to two thousands six or
the two thousand and sixth season, they could have still
managed just add a couple of pieces. Then Shaq would
have probably start declining right there, and then just you know,
added someone else.
Speaker 9 (33:59):
I think they could have.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
What do you say to your wife or what does
your wife say to you when she realizes you have
Kobe's tattoo?
Speaker 9 (34:08):
That's it's my fandom, it's my it's my fandom. I'm
a fan.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
Like I'm one of those like if I wasn't an
NBA player, I would be a season ticket holder with
the paint on sitting there that that that crazy guy
that's outside as the broadogram, that will be me, Like
I was. I was a fan first, and I used
to say when I played like I'm an NBA player,
but I'm a fan first, so I got That's why
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I got all the autographs. If you look at my room, right,
I got the ok c's on one side and then Indianna's.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
One on the other side. Right, I'm rooting for both, right,
But I'm a Laker. I'm a Laker at at at heart.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
But I now know why you didn't show Kobe, given
the location of that tattoo on inner thigh, you don't
show Hey, Kobe, come here.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I want to show you something.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
You know, it's it looks a little weird, is you know?
Speaker 8 (35:00):
Why would you put it down here and say, well,
I'm covering everywhere else?
Speaker 9 (35:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Great to talk to you, as always, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
That's a Gilbert Arenas, host of Gil's Arena podcast and
Gil and Underdog's Hit show, which streams Monday through Thursday
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wherever you get your podcast. Always fun, always, but I
love the enthusiasm that he does love the game and
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truly in the brgs, the back room, guys, Congratulations to
the Oklahoma City Thunder. It's almost like, Okay, you won
your title. Now we want to talk about the other things.
The draft is coming up Wednesday. How about Durant with Houston?
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Is Gianni's going to be traded? You give the flowers
to oksee, they deserve it. They did everything that you
want in a championship team. They won their game, sevens
that they had. They had the best player in the sport.
He came up big just about every game he played big.
Previous game did not, but came back like a true
MVP and a team effort. I know it wasn't exciting.
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You didn't have star power there. We love to have
our stars. You didn't have it. It's like going to
see a great movie or a great Broadway play and
somebody says, well, who's in it?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Nobody really know? Was it good?
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, it was really good.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I think we're going to remember this NBA Finals though
for Tyrese Haliburton, SGA was wonderful. But I think we're
gonna remember Tyrese Haliburton what happened in Game one, the injury,
coming back playing, and then last night trying to play,
start out well and then ends up blowing out a hamstring.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yes, Marvin, if the Oklahoma City Thunder had stars, would
we look at them as one of the greatest teams
ever they won sixty eight games.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I think it would help because then it kind of
validates when you're making your argument. You know, you can
go back to what the four Pistons when they won,
but I don't know, if they had star power, you
were like, yeah, they were really good, Okay, give me
their best players. Like that's how you make your argument.
It feels like when you go they had Bird and
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McHale and Parrish and DJ and Walton, and they had
magic and they worthy in Kareem and Coop and Scott.
Then it feels like, Okay, I got it. Those are
great teams. Yes, yes, ma'am, the Four Pissons.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
The most famous person might be the head coach. Larry
Brown was the head coach, So just like a coronation.
Other than that, they had a bunch of haul of
very good guys.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, yeah, but I do think, you know, it's star power.
Just about everything that we attach to greatness is do
we know who you are or you're on the cusp
of being something great? And I think Sga you know,
I said that he was efficiently brilliant. There's no highlight really,
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he just he's a bucket. He's he's you know, I'm
not going to say unstoppable, but he's pretty close to it.
He gets what he wants to get when he wants
to get it, and that's the mark of a great player.
And he came up big when you wanted him to.
But I think in ten years from now, we'll look
back and it'll be about Tyrese Halibert.
Speaker 10 (38:49):
Yeah, poet and the Thunder. It goes back to like
the San Antonio Spurs. Yeah, they weren't a lot of
famous people, not a lot of entertainment value.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
But if you win like two.
Speaker 10 (38:59):
And three years or back to back or three and
six years, you force America to get to know your names.
Even you know, Draymond Green, he became famous not because
he's this best player on earth, a very good player,
but constantly in the finals and make you hard to ignore.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Well when you win.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Sometimes when you win more frequently, then we attach greatness
to you. If Draymond Green played for Cleveland or Sacramento,
nobody would really care. Now you'd be like, oh, that guy,
he's a pest. Now he's a really good defender, but
you know, he wouldn't have any he wouldn't be a
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
But he didn't.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
He did all the things that that team needed him
to do. And by proxy, you're you know, by being
a champion multiple times, now you're a hall of famer.
That's what helps play for winning teams. You get recognized, yes, marm.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
So the thunder have to win another championship in order
for us to remember them in ten years.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Probably.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I think if you go back to back, you get
people's attention. Yeah, And look, I know this sounds, oh
we just want a title. Why are you guys piling
on I'm just giving you my view. Okay, I don't
play to the local. It doesn't matter. I picked Indiana
to win. But if you know, even if Indiana won,
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we might be doing the same thing today, just to
be fair to the situation I watched. I didn't care
what the ratings were. If other shows didn't want to
cover this, that's on them. That you have your own show,
you have your own interpretation of what you want on
your show, and we've you know, picked out you know,
we've been sparingly covering other things, but also the NBA finals.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Same with this Stanley Cup final.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
You know, I'm trying to find interesting things in these
games or players or an interview. It's no different than
any other sport.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Yes, Mark, and I think the big difference, going back
to the O four Pistons, it's who they beat. They
beat a Shaq and Kobe Lakers team. The thunderbeat a
team with less star power than they did, you know,
so it makes it even less memorable.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah, no, it's fair, it's fair.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
But congratulations to the Oklahoma City Thunder waiting sorry Thunder.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah yeah, Paul.
Speaker 10 (41:16):
When we got the halftime last night, I started thinking
about if it goes the other way because they have
a one point lead to Pacers. If somehow Oklahoma City
loses that game and we're talking about the Pacers today,
I don't know what level of all time upset that is,
but I think it's all time all time.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yes, it's because okac was one of the biggest favorites
in the history of the NBA. Make the segue to
Chris Manning, Sports Illustrated senior writer. He's at the airport,
ok See. He was there covering the game last night. Chris,
thanks for joining us. What was your gut feeling prior
to tip off last night?
Speaker 5 (41:51):
The gut feeling, I would say was.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
A game could have played out one of two ways.
There was a sense that Oklahoma City could just boat
race Indiana. The Pacers left it all on the floor
in Game six. I mean, they expended a lot of energy,
and it's really hard to do that two games in
a row, especially when that second game is on the
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road in a building that has a ton of juice
to it. The other potential outcome was another miraculous Indiana
you know, fourth quarter comeback where they pull out a
very narrow victory.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
So going into that game, there was it. Really that
was the sense that there were two outcomes that there
could be.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Obviously, when Haliburton goes down, you don't know how Indiana's
going to react to that. But the sense in the
building was, what at that point.
Speaker 7 (42:49):
I've never experienced anything like that in all my years
of covering basketball, where there is so much energy in
the building for a game and in the first quarter
of a game, and then to have that energy completely
taken out of the building, the air taken out of
the balloon. You know, it was in that moment everybody
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in that building realized the significance of what had just happened.
You know, from the fans and the coaches, to the players,
to the media.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
You knew right then and there that that something really
bad had happened.
Speaker 7 (43:25):
Based on the reaction of Halliburton, how the Thunder players reacted,
how quickly all the Pacers players got on the floor
to circle him.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
It was. It was strange, like just a It was.
Speaker 7 (43:38):
Pandemonium in one moment, and then it was eerily silent
in the next because everybody just knew that that we've
just seen something pretty horrible on the floor.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Fifteen twenty years from now, we'll look back on this
NBA Finals and we will remember what.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
Oh I think up the top, you proably remember the
Halliburton injury. It's like it takes nothing away from Oklahoma
City and what it accomplished. I mean, and look, Halliburton,
no Halliburton, you know, holding Indiana to forty three points
in the second half, winning the third quarter thirty four
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to twenty, you know, putting their stamp on the game.
Speaker 5 (44:18):
I mean, that was That's how you win.
Speaker 7 (44:19):
Like that is that was a statement second half, specifically
that that third quarter by Oklahoma City. But it's going
to be one of the great what ifs, not just
because Halliburton got hurt Dan, but Halliburton was he was
cooking in that moment. He was three or five from
the floor, three or four from three point range. I mean,
he was playing great basketball. I just I think when
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we look back on this and look at that series,
you I say, wow, six ultra competitive games. What might
have happened in Game seven if Tyree's Haliburt on the floor,
had the guy that offered this this incredible postseason story,
one of the greatest postseason stories we've ever seen, with
the that he was making, could he have done it
one more time in Game seven of the Finals.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
The future of OKAC we like to look at, hey,
is this the embryonic stages of a dynasty? Although there's
a whole lot of competition out west, So what's the
future immediate future with OKC.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
I mean, I'm like.
Speaker 7 (45:19):
A year removed from writing about the Celtics dynasty that
was about to start, So god knows what could happen.
You know, really we're just like one year ago today
we were talking about the age of Brown and Tatum,
and you know, Die Holliday is still in his prime.
For zingis Derek White, Like who is going to beat
these guys?
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Like? And now the Celtics.
Speaker 7 (45:40):
Are looking at you know, at least a one year
gap year and maybe longer. I do think, though, Dan,
Oklahoma City is uniquely equipped to have some longevity for
two reasons. One, there's gonna be organic growth there. Like
you look at this team, like most of the guys
are only seven to under, and guys like Chet Holmgren,
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Jalen Williams, Aaron Wiggins off the bench, They've got another
level they can go to just through organic growth. I
mean I was talking to someone close to Chet last night,
and they were like, he's gonna be in the weight
room all summer, Like he's gonna get stronger this summer.
He's going to come back a better player. So I
think there's there's room organically for them to grow. And Look,
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one of the things that's prevented some of these recent
champions from becoming the quote dynasties has been that they
haven't had the replacement players when some of their their
veterans have priced out under these new cap rules. They
haven't had guys right a step in. It's what'stop Milwaukee
from getting there again. Denver. We know that as they've
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lost talent, other guys have not stepped up. Oklahoma City
is different though, like Oko Cite. I mean, they have
a kid named Nicole It Topitch who was their lottery
pick last year, a guy that would have been inside
the top ten had he been healthy. He was out
all year with a knee injury. When I talk to
people in Oklahoma City about him, like he's going to
be in the rotation next year, Like he's a six
to six point guard that you know has one of
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those dynamic European games. They've got something like seven first
round draft picks in the next four drafts. The point
is they're not going to they could, They're more less
likely to fall into that situation where when they lose
pricey veterans like a lou Dort for example, they're not
going to be able to replace them with guys that
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are close to that level. That's why I think this team,
as much as any team over the last six or
seven years, has a chance to have some longevity at
the top.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Talking to Chris mannis Sports Illustrated senior writer joining us
from Oklahoma City. Of course, the other big news Kevin
Durant being traded to Houston. Now, what does Houston impose
on the rest of the NBA after this? You know,
how do they look or how do they feel after
this move.
Speaker 7 (47:54):
I think it's a great deal, and I think it
was always the deal that was going to happen. I
was reporting back in February that there was mutual interest
at the time between Durant and certainly people within the Rockets,
specifically Ema Udoka. But the Rockets were determined back then
to see what that young team had to see if
Jalen Green could step up and become a you know,
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a guy that could you could be trusted with the
ball in a playoff and had the scenario.
Speaker 5 (48:22):
They wanted to see what that team had.
Speaker 7 (48:23):
They figured out it was lacking a player like Kevin Durant,
and they went out and got him. They didn't have
to give up a lot. I mean, look, they were
looking the part with Jalen Green anyway. You know, he
was no longer really a prospect to them. He was
kind of just a bad contract to them. Give the
tenth overall pick in the draft, that's whatever. You know,
draft of the five second round picks is really just
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window dressing. That's not something that's all that consequential. And
you get a guy that, even at thirty seven years old,
is still one of the best scores in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (48:55):
And you look at that team in the Golden State Series, Dan,
what were they missing?
Speaker 7 (48:58):
You know, a guy that could get them a buck
it in the fourth quarter. It can't always be Alprin Sangoon.
You know, with the ball in his hands down the stretch,
Kevin Durant's gonna help them a lot. To the point
where like if I'm making up power rankings of kind
of who is Oklahoma City's biggest threat next year? Houston
is right there at the top one or one A
with maybe a team like Denver as the biggest threats
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to in the Western Conference to the Thunder.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
What's the future of the Phoenix Suns, I.
Speaker 7 (49:28):
Mean, just making bad decisions over and over again and
not stoping. What does that roster even look like right now?
Like you've got Jalen Green, Bradley Beal and Devin Booker.
How does that work? Like who's sharing the ball in
that particular situation? Like I'd like to give Phoenix the
benefit of the doubt and think that maybe they have
another move left in me and people around the league
(49:49):
have been talking to me about that that, Like there's
no way right you can have that you know, backcourt
or three person rotation going to that season. But Bradley
Beal is untradeable. There's no real market for Jalen Green.
They said they're not going to trade Devin Booker, So
I don't know what they're I don't really know what
they're trying to do.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
Like the big the big win for the Rockets and
all this Dan is that they didn't have to give.
Speaker 7 (50:11):
Up any of the Sun's draft capital that they own
so that.
Speaker 5 (50:13):
They can you know, continue on.
Speaker 7 (50:15):
Their path to trying to you know, win with the
group that they have while simultaneously rooting for you know,
the self destruction.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
Of the Phoenix Sun.
Speaker 7 (50:26):
So in twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty nine, they can
have those draft picks and continue to flesh out their roster.
I just thought, I just thought it was a big
win for the Rockets and Phoenix. You know, they were
out there, you know, trying to recoup close to what
they got from you know, for what they traded for
Durant back a few years ago when laughed out of
(50:46):
the room. You know, you know, San Antonio didn't really
have any interest. They're going big game hunting, you know, whenever, if, if,
and when Giannis becomes available. Miami couldn't wasn't going to
give up any of its young pieces. I mean we
got to the point, Dan where like Toronto wasn't gonna
part with Yaka Peartle, Like this is where we are.
Yaka Peartle, who was like the throw in in the
(51:08):
Kawhi Leonard deal years ago, was a guy that Toronto
was not going to give up for Kevin Durant. I mean,
Phoenix tried, I'll get him credit for that, But you know,
this was always how I was gonna hand and I
don't think this.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Makes them remotely better.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
The deeper we get into the summer, the odds for
Giannis to be traded or what.
Speaker 7 (51:28):
So my understanding with Giannis is that he's gonna sit
back and see where the ships fall. In all this,
it is notable to me that the San Antonio Spurs
hired Sean Sweeney to be their associate head coach.
Speaker 5 (51:43):
Sean was very close with Yanni's in Milwaukee.
Speaker 7 (51:45):
Who's don Jason Kidds top assistance was over in Europe
all the time working with Giannis. He's a credible coach alone,
he's worthy of a coaching bump in San Antonio. But
I did think it's notable they bring someone like that in.
But I think Jannis is going to see what Milwaukee's
able to do over the next week. The Bucks are trying,
(52:08):
like they're making every effort, but they don't have a
lot of draft capital to work with. They don't have
a ton of movable contracts. They've got a conundrum with
Brook Lopez, who's you know, he's a free agent, and
it's going to be expensive for them to bring back
I just think Jannis wants to get to I read
on Jeanie will get to mid to late July, early
August and then see what's out there for him. If
(52:30):
if the Bucks have done something that might make him
believe that they can compete next year, I think he'll
He's more inclined to stay. But if he's looking at
a team that is going to be fighting for a
birth and the play in, That's why I think things
would get interesting.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Great to talk to you again, Save travels, Chris. Thanks
for joining us, and.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
You never called me anymore.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
Dan, I'll become a rich Eisen guy. These days. Rich
Eisen calls me and Patrick does not call me.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Okay, you should have said to Rich Eisen, I'm and
Patrick's guy, and then we'd probably have a relationship. So
I'm going to blame you because you are flirting with
everybody instead of being loyal to me.
Speaker 7 (53:13):
I am a very disloyal guy that I found that
in my life and I'll walk.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
But I'm back, baby, I'm back.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Thank you, Chris.
Speaker 5 (53:22):
You got it death.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
Chris mannings, former friend of the show, senior writer with
Sports Illustrated, Well, take a break. More of your phone
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