June 24, 2025 • 40 mins
NBA insider Vincent Goodwill drops by to weigh in on the Thunder’s championship and Tyrese Haliburton’s torn Achilles. And Fritzy hosts a rousing round of “Fill in the Blank.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Tuesday, Dan and the Dan Nets Dan Patrick Show.
Is this Kevin Durant's last stomp or just his next stop.
We'll talk to Vincent Goodwill, who did a deep dive
on Kevin Durant going to the Rockets. He'll join us
coming up. We'll play fill in the blank this hour
as well. The Pacers. Tyre's Halliburton has Achilles surgery. No
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timeline announced, but they are usually about a eight month
process start to finish.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Used to be a year.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
But you know, with all surgeries, if you think about
what knee surgeries were fifty years ago, where they actually
opened you up, and then you got Arthur scoptic surgery,
and they've kind of mastered knees hip surgery, replacement surgery,
knee replacement, Shoulders still tricky and having had both shoulders done,
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still tricky.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
They haven't.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Mastered that yet, as both of my shoulders will attest to.
But Tyrese Haliburton out with the Achilles and his social
media post was really wonderful.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It was great.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Because he said, look, I do it again, and this
sucks and I'm sitting here and everybody says you're going
to be better, you're going to be stronger, and he says,
you know the cliche, lol. But he's got a long,
long road here, and that's going to be the key.
Like you want to be a good teammate now is
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when you could be a good teammate to Tyrese Haliburton.
In four months from now, you can be a really
good teammate with Tyrese Haliburton. And that's just being in
his life, being around him, cheering him up because he
is going to have some down days and he gave
you everything and you got to sit around in a
hospital bed and he's probably watching Sports Center. There's going
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to be the victory parade with see that's where you
press the button to get the nurse to come in
and it's like, what's wrong, what's wrong? Get this parade off? Uh,
this isn't helping my rehab. Eight seven seven three DP
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And pull question for hour two. We'll have that for you.
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Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yes, Tom Or does watching the parade motivate you even
more than ever and put you in that angry state
of mind. I'm gonna heal at a record rate and
that's their one and done championship because I'm coming.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I don't think you're going to rehab harder like after
day one.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Into yourself more.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I think you know, rehab you kind of have to
let it come to you. Sometimes you're gonna attack it
and then all of a sudden you go, oh, I
made a big mistake and I did that be like,
I'm gonna get back out there. I'm gonna go out
there and play.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
The doctor would be like, you know, you probably should
take some time, and I go, I'm already playing and
playing basketball. Yeah, that's not good, And it wasn't. Then
I ended up having another surgery like a year and
a half later. But Tyrese Haliburton, he'll have the best
people there advising him, but hopefully his teammates will visit
him often because that's he's going to need some cheering
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up a little bit. By the way, our buddy Shane
gillis he's going to host the espies.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
What could go wrong a lot?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
When we saw him in Dublin and then you guys
went to see him perform, and all of a sudden,
you're like, this guy is going to be a star.
And then you start to hear the backstory of what happened.
It's Saturday Night Live. And then he went back and hosted,
and it feels like wherever he goes, he leaves a
trail of something with him, and I'm sure that he'll
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he'll take some shots that the mothership will be like, uh,
we need you to run everything by Now.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I've been in those meetings before, and as.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Long as it's not live, you know, like plausibly live
that we can edit that or whatever. You know, they
need to have built in insurances that you're not going
to go off the rails.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
But they didn't worry about Bill Murray.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
When Bill Murray was hosting the SP's and having been
in there to witness the writer's room, and my boss
John Walsh, who invented Sports Center, he was there and
all he was kind of he was like the lifeguard.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
So John was just listening like, Okay, is that bad?
Could that be bad?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Could we get in trouble for that because when when
Will Ferrell got on stage and started making fun of
John Elway and Ken Griffy Junior, Kobe was ready to leave,
like all of a sudden, things can go sideways. Norm
MacDonald to me he was awesome because this Norm just
didn't care and he was a big sports fan and
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he was he was just a funny guy to be around.
But man, they start going after people in the audience
and that I remember at the Mothership, They're like, you know,
it's the greatest night in sports, Like we have to
it's the greatest night in sports, Like we can't be
making fun of people. You did have the emotional moment
with Jimmy V and you know that forever changed the SPS.
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You had Craig Seger, you had Stuart Scott, Robin Roberts,
like You've had some important people giving important speeches there.
But you know, the SP's have survived, which is shocking
because back when we started, we couldn't get anybody to go.
And I'm going, how can this be the greatest night
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in sports if nobody wants to go to this thing?
And it felt like if you showed up, you got
an award and that's where Monica sell Us got stabbed
during a tennis match, and it was the Comeback Athlete
of the Year. So I'm handing the award out with
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Bill Murray and Bill shows up and he doesn't even
know really what's going on, but he's going to be
great because he's Bill Murray. And even Bill goes and
the winner is Michael Jordan, and Bill Murray says, but
Monica Sells got stabbed. All Mike did is come back
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to the NBA. But you get a whole lot more
publicity if you're giving an award out to Michael Jordan
than Monica sell Us. And even Bill even said to Michael,
it's like, Michael, she got stabbed.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
That's crazy, dude.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's when I knew the voting might be rigged, just
a little of it. I got behind the curtain. I go,
wait a minute here, if you showed up, got an
sp Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Just this just in from PR to ESPN.
Speaker 7 (07:05):
The SPIS is live this year occasion. It's taped. Sometimes
it's live. This is a live with Shane Gillen.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Okay, not plausibly live.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
It appears to be actually live.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
Wednesday, July sixteenth.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Okay, it's the greatest night in sports.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Is he a one and donner?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (07:24):
I feel like he's purposely one and done in this.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yes, probably so. Yes, Oh I said, I wouldn't have cried.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
That.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
That's good. What about Nate Bargatzi.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
He seems like he would be a great host for
the Spies, Fritzy, you're big fans.
Speaker 8 (07:41):
Great?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I love his delivery and he's very self deprecating about
how he doesn't know what he's doing as a husband
or a Father's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, and it's you know, it's family oriented his stand
up act, right. I don't think he ye different language. Yeah,
like Brian Reagan, they don't go blue. But you know,
Shane Gillis, you're host to the sp Yes, Paul.
Speaker 9 (08:04):
The first time I saw a clip in Nate Bargatzi,
Everyone's seen this clip. He's like, you know, in your
twenties year, let's go, We'll go anywhere. I'll go nowhere.
Then you get your thirties, he's like, where are we going?
You know, how about how you age and you behave
differently with your friends.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
It's a great bit.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America
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For a hour or two, we have a quick NBA
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Speaker 10 (08:29):
I keep I'm currently like deep diving on Monica Seli's
not winning the Spofo come Back Layer after being stabbed, Like,
I just can't believe that that's true.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
She got stabbed? Yeah, like pretty good. Hey, you were nominated.
That's an honor.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
But Michael, Michael came back, just came back to the NBA.
He went to play baseball. It's not like he went
to Afghanistan. He came back from the minor leagues.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
What a hero. It's not it's easy to do that.
Apparently not. Apparently not.
Speaker 10 (09:02):
The recent series of Achilles tears in the NBA dot
dot coincidence or there's a valid reason right now, sixty
six percent of the audience say a valid reason for it.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Well, we'll talk to a doctor, Mark addicts, he's been
a long time sports orthopedic surgeon. We'll ask him about this,
because I don't know, just a coincidence. Joe in La, Hi, Joe,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Good morning? DP? Hi Joe five five eight one fifty. Yeah,
I think you're hit it toward. My question is the
you know.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Twenty years ago the ACL was a big deal, and
fast forward, you know ten years ago, Tommy John both
are all pre routine surgeries now. Seem like love to
hear what the doctor to say about what the achilles
recovery is going to be and the surgery's gonna be
going for ten years from now.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Thanks, Yeah, all right, thank you, Joe. Yeah, I'm curious
because when he suffered the camp injury, we said it
last week, he's going to run the risk of tearing
his achilles, and he did. Kenny in La Hi, Kenny.
Speaker 11 (10:23):
Hey, Danny, I got a couple of things for you. First,
about an hour ago, you were talking about old line players,
all time players, and you were thinking, well, who suffered
a rut for achilles. Well, you're also talking about the
sixteen ninety seventy Knicks versus Lakers, and of course, as
a Laker fan, I was just crushed when the Knicks
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beat us in Game seven. Of course Wilke had twenty
one points and twenty four rebounds in that game and
read it for but we couldn't stop Clyde. So the
next year as an eight year old, I'm very excited
to see the Lakers. Finally we get to see Elgin
and Jay and Wilt together. Of course we had sixty
eight sixty nine, but again going back to this seventy
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seventy one season, two games in Elgin ruptures his achilles
and there you go, Oh, I'm great, as you know,
twenty seven points the game, fifth all time points per game.
And then you also were talking about the Spur excuse me,
the OKAC team and having been put to the test
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with two seven game series, I was taking up the
eighty seven eighty eight Lakers where we had to beat
Utah Dallas and the Pistons. We barely survived. I was
actually at that game seven where we beat the Pistons
one O eight to one O five, and that was
the last title of Showtime. Should won the next year,
but we lost Byron and Magic because Ryle decided to
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take the team to Santa Barbara and really worked them hard.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
And thank you, Kenny close the scrap book. Yeah, I
knew Elgin had a bad knee. I didn't remember because
I saw them in seventy one seventy two in person.
I saw the Lakers when they came into Cincinnati, but yeah,
Elgin Baylor, that was a guy who.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Missed the TV era.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
You know, there's a few there's probably five or six
that they missed out on that and as a result,
we kind of history hasn't been kind to them as
they should be.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Zach and Iowa, Hi, Zach, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 12 (12:32):
More?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Damn?
Speaker 12 (12:33):
I called in a couple of weeks ago after as
an iows Stay fan and a Thunder fan. After Tyree's
hit the game winner, he talked about how bearsweet it was,
and then again last night to just kind of tailed,
you know, book nd the series, it's the opposite side
of it. Pitres sweet for a different thing, and it
just in a way kin't want to they ruined the game,
but it just it was hard to enjoy it knowing
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what just happened. And I wonder if there's you know,
some other series in NBA history that kind of remind
you of that. The one that comes to mind for
me is the Raptors when they won the because with
the injury, it's hard to enjoy the other side of
it though, you know, forward looking and trying to enjoy
it is you don't want to assume that you have
this long window and these long runs to win multiple titles.
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But I do have hope that the thunder have almost
a Spurs era to them in the fact that you
have these young guys, a front office that gets it,
and guys that seem to understand what is in front
of them. And I'm hoping that, you know, in this
new era of sports, they're able to hang on and
understand that a little bit of sactifies here and there
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can be so worth it for the legacy of their careers.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah, but I don't know if they think that way.
Thank you, Zach.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
You get a championship and then you start to think
about getting paid or you want to have your own team.
I mean, look what happened with Kyrie with Lebron, And
look I understand where Kyrie's like, dude, I put up forty,
I had the game winning shot, and it's about Lebron
delivering a title to Cleveland. And then what happened with Kyrie.
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He went to Boston, he wanted his own team. Well,
he's not a guy who is going to lead a
team and he found that out the hard way. But
he's probably saying, wait a minute, Lebron comes back as
the conquering hero. And I've been here, like I understand
all those things. You know, I don't know if Jalen
Williams is going to go.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
You know what I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I don't want to be Pippin' to Jordan Chad Holmgren.
He's injury prone? Can you keep him healthy? Can you
keep is.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Lou Dort going to play for somebody else?
Speaker 8 (14:38):
Like?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You just never know. I mean, look at Boston. Boston
was on the verge, not anymore. Cleveland may never get
back there.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
You just never know.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
What san Antonio had is they had personalities who they
understood the spur Way if you, for the lack of
a better description, they understood, you want to play for championships.
We can play for championships. Tim Duncan almost went to Orlando.
He almost signed with Orlando. So you did have Ginobili
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and you had Parker. Would they have been stars on
other teams, not as big as stars they were in
San Antonio because we got to see them in you know,
championship games. You know, that's kind of the like Robert Dorry,
he played on great teams. He had moments. That's why
we remember him. If he averaged seventeen a game for
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his career, no one would remember Robert Dorry. Now we
remember him as one of the great clutch shooters in
the history of the sport. Steve Kerr was nobody got
to the bulls, knew what he was supposed to do,
hit a huge shot, won a title. John Paxson in
his brother's shadow, you know, wasn't going to be a
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star or any plays. Knew what he was supposed to
do with Jordan hit one of the biggest shots in
NBA history. But you have to understand how good am I,
where do I fit? What do I want to do?
And do you want to have that we're going to
keep winning championships? Is management going to want to continue
to win championships? Because that's another thing. You got to
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have management all in on this too. But you got
a great GM, you have a great base, great foundation.
But you won one title. That second one will be
tougher than this one. We'll take a break, We'll talk
about the rockets, We'll talk about what happened with that
trade with Kevin Durant. Is this his last stop or
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just his next stop? That question will be answered next.
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Vincent Goodwill Junior, the third y'all Who's Sports Senior NBA writer,
host of the Good Word podcast on y'all Who's Sports Ball?
Don't Lie in Serious XMNBA host and he joins us
after doing a deep dive on Kevin Durant going to
the Rockets. Why is Kevin Durant on the Rockets?
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Does he wants to be?
Speaker 14 (17:55):
I think that's the easy explanations to say. That is
because clearly amongst the team that he listed, the Rockets
were the team that looks to be a Kevin Durant
away with the young talent, the coaching, the pedigree from
being a real threat in the Western Conference. Like Aman
Thompson is real and an alparin Shingoon. I don't know
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how he fits in this iteration with Kevin Durant, but
he's a talented player. Jabari Smith like, they have so
many young pieces and still so many young unearthed pieces
yet to be explored that you add KD there, If
he is a reasonable semblance of what he's been, they're
a real threat in the Western Conference next season.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
How does Phoenix not get Thompson Reed Shepherd or like
it felt like the Rockets were like, wait a minute,
who do you want this trade?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Sure will do that.
Speaker 14 (18:49):
That is the art of negotiation, Dan, That is where
the player sometimes controls exactly what iteration appears for him
because he wants to go to a team that still
has enough place like look, Thompson's going to be a
non starter. And what works against Phoenix here is that
Kevin Durant is thirty six years old and the max
he can sign for an extension is going to be
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two years. Dan, we don't have a president for a
player who's had Liz Frank. Remember that the Liz Frank
is what got Bill Walton and achilles injury, which is
what Tyre's Halliburton at and an MCL. People forget he
had an MCL his first full year or second full
year in Brooklyn. There's no president for the long jevity
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of these old guys being able to hang around and
play at a championship level. So you do have to
find a way to mitigate some of that risks. Like
I know, the numbers look great on paper, fifty to
forty ninety across the board, but it looks different Dan.
If you go look at Kevin Durant in twenty fourteen
when before his first real injury, when he put up
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fifty against against the Golden State Warriors, he looks so
fluid that athleticism popped off the page. Now he's a
guy who's going to be thirty seven years old, and
once again there's no template for this. We don't have
any president for this, so we don't know what this
is going to look like or what it's supposed to look.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Like I'm going to ask you the question that you
ask in your column. Is this his last stomp or
just his next stop?
Speaker 14 (20:22):
Well, Dan, it's hard to say, because I thought Brooklyn
was going to be the last stop. I thought Phoenix
was going to be the last stop. So I'm not
going to box in Kevin Durant. I would just say
it feels more likely. I don't know if Kevin Durant
wants to be Lebron James playing until he's forty two,
forty three, fifty five years old to claim every record
or whatever it is for this mythical argument. I think
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Kevin Durant's going to play as long as his body
tells him that he can play, and he can play
meaningful basketball. You can only judge these guys two years
at a time because that's the length of their contracts.
These who's going to their forties, Dan, they need to
be like sitting up somewhere next to you, reminiscent about
the good times them. Need to be out there chasing
around these forty year old these twenty five year olds.
What's their problem?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
The Achilles injuries? Coincidence or something more to it.
Speaker 14 (21:10):
Maybe a little bit of both. I think what we
cannot quantify, Dan, is the amount of miles that these
players have on their bodies well before they get to
the NBA. We think of their old dometers starting once
they get to the league. That's not the case at
all when you're playing AAU basketball all those games today,
the personal training, and here's the other thing, this is
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the age of specialization. These guys aren't playing football, baseball, track,
all these other things to work different muscles. They're playing
one sport and it's starting that and it's starting that
mile trajectory really really early. I don't know how to
do that. I do know this, the next time someone
has a calf injury late in the season, sit they
ass down.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Period.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yes, but we said that. I said it last week.
I said, you know, you're not careful, you're going to
tear your achilles. And we've seen this with Durant. You've
seen this with Dame, We've seen this with Tatum. I
don't know, it just feels like there's something else.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Granted, Aaron Rodgers wasn't doing anything, just back to pass.
Dan Marino when he tore is just going back to pass,
So it's not all These are incredible athletes and they're
cutting in you know, all the mileage on there. It's
it's weird, you know that it can happen to a
quarterback just going back to pass.
Speaker 14 (22:28):
I mean, here's the thing. Something's always going to be
hurting on you as an athlete, and usually it's around
your calf, or it's ten tonight it's or it's something
that you're used to managing. I'm not sure. Dan Marino
tor he is in what ninety three if I remember correctly,
or ninety four, so he's like ten years into his career.
That's not necessarily common. Dame Lillard, that's an old man
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injury for him, Isaiah Thomas, that's an old man injury.
Dominque Wilkins, old man injury. These other guys. It's not
old Tyre's Halliburton. It is, you know, explosive athlete that's
jumping around. But when you have a calf Andrey remember
Luka Doncic had a calf injury, and Dallas that we
kind of wonder, okay, is he in good enough shape?
And all these other type things. All these injuries aren't
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created equal, they aren't birth by the same things, but
they do produce the same risk, and we have to
look at them like this is a risk, especially when
you're playing one hundred games into a season and Dan
the game is moving so fast. That's what you gotta
be careful.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Talking to Vincent Goodwill, he is the Yahu Sports senior
NBA writer's latest article has to do with Kevin Durant
with the Rockets. I'm curious about the Spurs if they're
taking Dylan Harper, so that backcourt's pretty crowded. So I
got the Rookie of the Year, I got dearon Fox,
and it feels like somebody is not going to be
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long for San Antonio.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
What are the Spurs gonna do well?
Speaker 14 (23:52):
Talking to people around the league, the Spurs are the
team that they're like, Okay, keep an eye on them,
because the Spurs like to keep things to the best.
They're not going to go out and telegraph their moves.
Remember we didn't see the darn Fox trade happening. They
were like they already got they already got a young
guard there, and then he added another one, right, so
I wouldn't be surprised, like there have been instances where
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I don't know if you remember this stand the Phoenix
Sons of ninety seven had Kevin Johnson, a young Steve Nash,
and Jason Kidd, and they wound up working out that.
You know, kJ was a little bit older, Steve Nash
was a little bit unfounded at the time, and you
kind of let these things work themselves out. You take
the best player available. Like I don't. I'm not a
believer in reaching, but I am a believer in the
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Spurs having number two and number fourteen. I think they
had number two hoping that Kevin Durant would pick them
and they would use that as far as draft capital
in the trade. But now that they don't, I wonder
if they're going to take I don't see that being
a tenable thing. But also it is supposed to be
a positionless league, and that what they tell us. I
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don't believe that, mind you, I don't believe disposition to lead.
He think that's a.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It is amazing though, when you look back on the
Phoenix Suns, you had three Hall of fame point guards.
I don't think Kj's a Hall of famer, but he
played like a Hall of famer at times. Jay Kidd
and Steve Nash. But you're right, nobody knew about Nash.
I remember being at a practice facility and watching Nash
and I go, you know that that's the kid from Santa.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Clara, Like he's he's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
And then they've said, well he won't play here, he
won't start here, and then all of a sudden he
goes to Dallas and next thing you know, you know,
he's somebody unique. But you didn't worry about salaries back then, Vincent.
Now I got dearon Fox. What's he going to cost me?
Although I get Castle and Harper on you know rookie deals,
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Aaron Fox is going to cost me a lot of money.
So it feels like he might be the guy Jettison here.
Speaker 14 (25:58):
Well he just got him.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Like that's but I think if you knew that you
were gonna end up with the second pick like I,
they wouldn't have made the move, probably for him, if
they knew they were going to be in this situation.
I like him, but if I can get younger and
I don't spend money, I thought they were going to
get Durant. I thought that that they realized that he
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can help us, he can take pressure, he can be
a bucket, and but you know they're they're not yet
where the Rockets are, and the Rockets might be a
year away. San Antonio feels like maybe two years away
from being uh oh, here they come.
Speaker 14 (26:42):
Well, Victor's coming, and I think there's a difference between
Victor's coming and the Spurs are coming. I think they're
on two different kind of a little bit different timeline.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Will he be the best player in the game in
five years?
Speaker 14 (26:55):
If not him, who are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Well, go just.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Is gonna be there for a little while, whether you
believe that, But it feels like, you know, by twenty
five I think I said that he'll be the best
player in the sport Victor.
Speaker 14 (27:12):
I mean, why won't he be the best player in
the sport two years from now? Why won't he be
the best player in the sport next year? Like, do
you see what he's doing. He's out there with the monks.
He looks like Eddie Murphy and the Golden Child. Do
you remember that movie.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, that was a bad movie. That was a bad
good reference bad movie. But yeah, he's with the Tibetan
monks there. But yeah, I look, I'm a big fan
because he should have been Defensive Player of the Year
the last two years. But I just wonder can the
team keep up with him?
Speaker 14 (27:45):
Is that he's well, he's not going anywhere. And here's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
No, but the talent around him, can they keep up
with him as he develops? So castle can he shoot better?
Is Harper going to be you know, true go to guy?
Who else do you have on that team who's going
to help you?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
You know? So that that would be my only concern
with that.
Speaker 14 (28:09):
No, I don't disagree with you. I mean I think
they have pieces that you can move. The Jeremy Sohans,
the Keldon Johnson's guys like that that you if you're
talking about packaging players and figuring stuff out, if you
want to press the fast forward button. But until a
player goes into his first rookie extension, And if you
think about this, like the NFL, where if you get
a quarterback on a rookie contract and you start putting
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in those veteran pieces around him, like Seattle deal with
Russell Wilson like a decade ago, that's what the NBA
is turning into now, where if you get a guy
on the first contract or the first rookie extension, that's
when you start building a championship team. That's why you
have all these teams sort of positioning themselves to make
runs now before guys get really really expensive. I wouldn't
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be surprised if the San Antonio Spurs put all their
chips to the center of the table, but traditionally that's
not how they have operated.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
All Right, what's the better version of Michael Jordan, Young
Mike or old Mike or veteran or our veteran Mike.
I'll give you five years of the next five years.
Speaker 14 (29:11):
Oh, it's that middle five. It is. It is eighty
nine to ninety three Michael Jordan, and I don't think
it's particularly close. Like in eighty nine, he was scary,
just like the triple doubles, and he was going into
his body and he took that really not good bulls
seam to the Eastern Conference Finals where he took two
games off of a Detroit team that didn't lose to
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anybody else that season that series, and then the next
year you could see he was really coming and really
going to show up. And then you went when you
run off three in a row, and I know that
the bad boys were old and Magic carried a bunch
of dudes who were Magic and the who's who of
who in nineteen ninety one to the NBA Finals. He
didn't have a direct equal because of len bias and
because of the calendar. But there was no greater player
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we've ever seen in this league's history besides Michael Jordan.
Between nineteen eight, in nineteen ninety three now the nineteen
ninety seven Michael Jordan, the adult grown Michael Jordan. That
guy put up the best NBA Finals we've ever seen. Legit,
from game to game, from the flu game to the
triple double to the game winner in Game one. Performance
by performance, that's the best NBA Finals we've ever seen.
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As far as game to game effect. That was a
thirty two to thirty three year old Michael jo. Okay,
you can, you can, you can take a pick?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Is Michael the first and second best player of all time?
If I look at what he was in eighty nine
and what he was in ninety six ninety seven.
Speaker 14 (30:35):
Well, well, I will tell you this, and this is
what's something someone told me, so it's not original. Michael
Jordan is so great he went into the Hall of
Fame as two players himself and Scottie Pippen.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Wow, Wow, that's cold blooded.
Speaker 14 (30:55):
I am from Detroit, Dan. No, we do, we do,
we do call Scotty sitting around here.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Gilbert Arenas said that he can't believe that people treat
Kobe like he was his sidekick when he was with
Shaq in that three peet. There is that fair to
say that he shouldn't have been viewed as Shaq's sidekick.
Speaker 14 (31:21):
I think the problem is revisionist history has sort of
made people go to the stat sheet and said, man,
Tracy McGrady was a really good player. He could have
done what Kobe did. No, he couldn't have like Kobe
actually carried the Lakers in some of those playoffs series. Now,
two thousand, Kobe wasn't fully grown. He was still twenty
one years I think twenty two years old, and he
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was still battling a little bit of inconsistency and find himself.
But by two thousand and one, no no, no, no, no, no,
no no no. By two thousand and one, he was
arguably the best player in the game. Like the way
he dominated that San Antonio Spurs series in the Western
Conference Finals where he was taking forty point games on
the road. Again, Tim Duncan and David Robinson and going
to the basket and dunking on them. No, no, no, there
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is as much as there is dan a big gap
between Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. And I think there
is a huge gap between those two players. There's even
as greater of a gap between Kobe Bryant and anybody
else that you feel like you can put in those spots.
Because Shaquille O'Neal needed somebody, and he just didn't need
a Vince Card or Tracy McGrady. Like those guys were great,
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great players, But Kobe had an appetite and all around
complete game, especially defensively where he would really get after it.
I think, you know, it's funny when he died, it
was almost like there was an overarching sort of reach
to put him in a certain spot. And now all
of a sudden, we're going to downplay. No, no, no,
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can we just ring it a little bit to the middle.
I'm not going to say Kobe Bryant's rings didn't count,
like if you're not the number one guy, don't count whatever,
Because Magic Johnson played with Kareem al Dula Jabbar, whose
rings were those in nineteen eighty nine, eight two eighty five, Like,
I don't want to parse that and turn that discussion
into something that is not.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I mentioned this and I'll leave you with this with
OKAC that I know we want to fast track them
to being a great team of all time, which they're not. Uh,
you know, you went to Game seven twice. You had
to hold off the biggest underdog in the last twenty
five years according to the odds makers. It took a
guy blowing out his achilles.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
You hold on, you won.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
We might look differently at this OKC team in three
years with what happens, they could be the Toronto Raptors,
or they might have some sustainability here, which I hope
they do and they probably should. But I think we
want to have that coronation of this is one of
the great teams of all time, great regular season. Denver
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took them to seven, Indiana took them to seven. And
that's why I would just say, enjoy, enjoy your parade,
enjoy your title. Don't put them in there with the
one Lakers or the you know, eighty six Celtics or
you know they're not there.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
But that's okay.
Speaker 14 (34:08):
What do you think I think the difference between all
of those teams that you mentioned is some of the
single seasons and greatest teams. Eighty six Celtics, eighty seven Lakers,
eighty three, seventy six Ers that only won one championship,
oh one Lakers. All those teams have gone through multiple
playoff runs, winning, losing everything else. This is their second
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playoff run together, Dan, And that's where you can look
at it and say, man, do they still have more
room to grow that? And you don't know in today's NBA,
especially with them being in Oklahoma City, and we don't
know how they're going to handle Jalen Williams coming up
for a Max, chet Holmgren coming up for a Max
and having all those draft picks and figuring out the
economics of the game there. But we've had seven different
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champions in the last seven years. Then we say the
same thing about Milwaukee. Oh, they're going to go on
a run. Boston, they're going to go on a run.
Denver they got Nicola Yokis the best player in the game,
going to go on a run. The game moves faster
than ever, quicker than ever. I'm with you. I think
they are one of the best single season teams we've
ever seen. It remains to be seen if they have
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as long as a runway. What if, Dan, they are
the San Antonio Spurs where they never go back to back,
but they win championships over a fifteen year period. Where
the ninety nine team looks totally different than the old
seventeen looks totally different than the twenty fourteen team, but
there's a common denominator and a common threat there. We
would still say they are wildly successful, especially in today's NBA.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Will said Vincent Goodwill y'allho's sports senior NBA writer, host
of The Good Word podcast on Yahoo's Sports and Serious
XM NBA host.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Great to talk to you so always. Thank you, Bell always.
Speaker 14 (35:46):
I love the Living for the City.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Oh all right, little Stevie Wonder Living for the City.
Got a little T shirt going on there. I see
what you're doing. Thank you, Vince. All right, Well, take
a break. When we come back, we play fill in
the blank, have an Achilles terror theory, and more of
your phone calls.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
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Speaker 2 (36:14):
Time to play Phil in the blank. I will read
something and then you Phil in the blank. Oklahoma City's
future is blank Todd sga, Okay, Seaton.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
It starts now. Marvin full of draft picks.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
Paul not that simple.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I'll say promising championship parades are blank Todd.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
I'm going with whatever tech parades or whatever.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Seaton fun, Marvin Long, Paul sloppy.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I'll say communal Kevin Durant's legacy is going to be
blank Ton tarnished.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
He continues to play.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Misinterpreted Marvin complex, all.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Full of semantics.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, I was going to go complex too.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Sports in late June early July is Blank Todd, desperate viewing.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Setan.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Spars, Marvin tough for the job, Paully relaxing. I would
say vacation worthy. The sexy NFL team in August will
be blank Todd.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
The Denver Broncos, you, I think they could win the
FC West. And I don't want to get into pies
in the face, but I think the Broncos A lot
of a lot of people in the so called experts
are into Denver.
Speaker 9 (37:48):
Yes, Fritzy is right on on this. It doesn't It's
not just because he likes them. Every year, a couple
of teams get picked to be the focal point team
in August that they could surprise people. Denver's one of.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Them, Satan, What about you. Sexy NFL team in August.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Is the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Well, their quarterback just got married over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Marvin the Green Bay Packers, Paul the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
The sexy NFL team in August will be the Bears.
The Bears one degree weather is blank, Todd uncomfortable, Seaton hot, Marvin.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
Really hot, Paul debilitating.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Really really hot.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
Sorry I have gone there.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
That's fill in the blank. We did it.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Hey, uh Angela and Oklahoma, Hi Angela, what's on your
mind today?
Speaker 16 (38:52):
Good morning? First of all, I wanted to say that
was the best interview, one of the best interviews with Goodwill.
Speaker 15 (39:01):
Uh.
Speaker 16 (39:02):
Second of all, I have to say that Halliburton, you're
in our thoughts and prayers. Okay, Well, and then finally
let's go okay, very I'm excited and excited. So I
wrote two points, one that was in case we lost,
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and the one that I'm gonna read you right now.
It's called oh to Oklahoma, Sorry, oh to Loud City.
Are you ready, dah sure, Look at that my thunder
winds filling greatest champions. We came to work hard and
fight every single day and night. Coaches SGA and the
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boys standing tall with so much poise. Oh Dan, can't
wait for next year. Let's go thunder is what will cheers?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
All right?
Speaker 2 (39:57):
That's that Angelo and Oklahoma. She actually had words that
Ryan with one another.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I was well done and poetic.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I love to create a novel approach there Axel rhymes.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, uh, Jimmy in Chicago, try to squeeze you in here,
Jimmy Hey.
Speaker 15 (40:13):
Then one of the time in on Marvin's Jordan question
in eighty eight, amazing accomplishments that year, he was MVP,
Defensive Player of the Year, also Game MVP, as well
as scoring leader. I was only five at the time though,
so didn't that was before my time, but I watched
every game in the ninety three season. That year, I
call it the Terminator year. He was just truly unstoppable.
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Forty one points per game in the finals, highest average
in the finals for that and I just think that
if he didn't retire, they would have definitely won a
fourth championship as well.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah, probably so,
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Tuesday, Dan and the Dan Nets Dan Patrick Show.
Is this Kevin Durant's last stomp or just his next stop.
We'll talk to Vincent Goodwill, who did a deep dive
on Kevin Durant going to the Rockets. He'll join us
coming up. We'll play fill in the blank this hour
as well. The Pacers. Tyre's Halliburton has Achilles surgery. No
(00:27):
timeline announced, but they are usually about a eight month
process start to finish.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Used to be a year.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
But you know, with all surgeries, if you think about
what knee surgeries were fifty years ago, where they actually
opened you up, and then you got Arthur scoptic surgery,
and they've kind of mastered knees hip surgery, replacement surgery,
knee replacement, Shoulders still tricky and having had both shoulders done,
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still tricky.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
They haven't.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Mastered that yet, as both of my shoulders will attest to.
But Tyrese Haliburton out with the Achilles and his social
media post was really wonderful.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It was great.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Because he said, look, I do it again, and this
sucks and I'm sitting here and everybody says you're going
to be better, you're going to be stronger, and he says,
you know the cliche, lol. But he's got a long,
long road here, and that's going to be the key.
Like you want to be a good teammate now is
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when you could be a good teammate to Tyrese Haliburton.
In four months from now, you can be a really
good teammate with Tyrese Haliburton. And that's just being in
his life, being around him, cheering him up because he
is going to have some down days and he gave
you everything and you got to sit around in a
hospital bed and he's probably watching Sports Center. There's going
(01:58):
to be the victory parade with see that's where you
press the button to get the nurse to come in
and it's like, what's wrong, what's wrong? Get this parade off? Uh,
this isn't helping my rehab. Eight seven seven three DP
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And pull question for hour two. We'll have that for you.
Eight seven seven three DP Show Tyler sitting by. He'll
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Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yes, Tom Or does watching the parade motivate you even
more than ever and put you in that angry state
of mind. I'm gonna heal at a record rate and
that's their one and done championship because I'm coming.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I don't think you're going to rehab harder like after
day one.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Into yourself more.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I think you know, rehab you kind of have to
let it come to you. Sometimes you're gonna attack it
and then all of a sudden you go, oh, I
made a big mistake and I did that be like,
I'm gonna get back out there. I'm gonna go out
there and play.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
The doctor would be like, you know, you probably should
take some time, and I go, I'm already playing and
playing basketball. Yeah, that's not good, And it wasn't. Then
I ended up having another surgery like a year and
a half later. But Tyrese Haliburton, he'll have the best
people there advising him, but hopefully his teammates will visit
him often because that's he's going to need some cheering
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up a little bit. By the way, our buddy Shane
gillis he's going to host the espies.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
What could go wrong a lot?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
When we saw him in Dublin and then you guys
went to see him perform, and all of a sudden,
you're like, this guy is going to be a star.
And then you start to hear the backstory of what happened.
It's Saturday Night Live. And then he went back and hosted,
and it feels like wherever he goes, he leaves a
trail of something with him, and I'm sure that he'll
(03:57):
he'll take some shots that the mothership will be like, uh,
we need you to run everything by Now.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I've been in those meetings before, and as.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Long as it's not live, you know, like plausibly live
that we can edit that or whatever. You know, they
need to have built in insurances that you're not going
to go off the rails.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
But they didn't worry about Bill Murray.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
When Bill Murray was hosting the SP's and having been
in there to witness the writer's room, and my boss
John Walsh, who invented Sports Center, he was there and
all he was kind of he was like the lifeguard.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
So John was just listening like, Okay, is that bad?
Could that be bad?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Could we get in trouble for that because when when
Will Ferrell got on stage and started making fun of
John Elway and Ken Griffy Junior, Kobe was ready to leave,
like all of a sudden, things can go sideways. Norm
MacDonald to me he was awesome because this Norm just
didn't care and he was a big sports fan and
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he was he was just a funny guy to be around.
But man, they start going after people in the audience
and that I remember at the Mothership, They're like, you know,
it's the greatest night in sports, Like we have to
it's the greatest night in sports, Like we can't be
making fun of people. You did have the emotional moment
with Jimmy V and you know that forever changed the SPS.
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You had Craig Seger, you had Stuart Scott, Robin Roberts,
like You've had some important people giving important speeches there.
But you know, the SP's have survived, which is shocking
because back when we started, we couldn't get anybody to go.
And I'm going, how can this be the greatest night
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in sports if nobody wants to go to this thing?
And it felt like if you showed up, you got
an award and that's where Monica sell Us got stabbed
during a tennis match, and it was the Comeback Athlete
of the Year. So I'm handing the award out with
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Bill Murray and Bill shows up and he doesn't even
know really what's going on, but he's going to be
great because he's Bill Murray. And even Bill goes and
the winner is Michael Jordan, and Bill Murray says, but
Monica Sells got stabbed. All Mike did is come back
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to the NBA. But you get a whole lot more
publicity if you're giving an award out to Michael Jordan
than Monica sell Us. And even Bill even said to Michael,
it's like, Michael, she got stabbed.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
That's crazy, dude.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's when I knew the voting might be rigged, just
a little of it. I got behind the curtain. I go,
wait a minute here, if you showed up, got an
sp Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Just this just in from PR to ESPN.
Speaker 7 (07:05):
The SPIS is live this year occasion. It's taped. Sometimes
it's live. This is a live with Shane Gillen.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Okay, not plausibly live.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
It appears to be actually live.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
Wednesday, July sixteenth.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Okay, it's the greatest night in sports.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Is he a one and donner?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (07:24):
I feel like he's purposely one and done in this.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yes, probably so. Yes, Oh I said, I wouldn't have cried.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
That.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
That's good. What about Nate Bargatzi.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
He seems like he would be a great host for
the Spies, Fritzy, you're big fans.
Speaker 8 (07:41):
Great?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I love his delivery and he's very self deprecating about
how he doesn't know what he's doing as a husband
or a Father's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, and it's you know, it's family oriented his stand
up act, right. I don't think he ye different language. Yeah,
like Brian Reagan, they don't go blue. But you know,
Shane Gillis, you're host to the sp Yes, Paul.
Speaker 9 (08:04):
The first time I saw a clip in Nate Bargatzi,
Everyone's seen this clip. He's like, you know, in your
twenties year, let's go, We'll go anywhere. I'll go nowhere.
Then you get your thirties, he's like, where are we going?
You know, how about how you age and you behave
differently with your friends.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
It's a great bit.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
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Speaker 10 (08:29):
I keep I'm currently like deep diving on Monica Seli's
not winning the Spofo come Back Layer after being stabbed, Like,
I just can't believe that that's true.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
She got stabbed? Yeah, like pretty good. Hey, you were nominated.
That's an honor.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
But Michael, Michael came back, just came back to the NBA.
He went to play baseball. It's not like he went
to Afghanistan. He came back from the minor leagues.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
What a hero. It's not it's easy to do that.
Apparently not. Apparently not.
Speaker 10 (09:02):
The recent series of Achilles tears in the NBA dot
dot coincidence or there's a valid reason right now, sixty
six percent of the audience say a valid reason for it.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Well, we'll talk to a doctor, Mark addicts, he's been
a long time sports orthopedic surgeon. We'll ask him about this,
because I don't know, just a coincidence. Joe in La, Hi, Joe,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Good morning? DP? Hi Joe five five eight one fifty. Yeah,
I think you're hit it toward. My question is the
you know.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Twenty years ago the ACL was a big deal, and
fast forward, you know ten years ago, Tommy John both
are all pre routine surgeries now. Seem like love to
hear what the doctor to say about what the achilles
recovery is going to be and the surgery's gonna be
going for ten years from now.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Thanks, Yeah, all right, thank you, Joe. Yeah, I'm curious
because when he suffered the camp injury, we said it
last week, he's going to run the risk of tearing
his achilles, and he did. Kenny in La Hi, Kenny.
Speaker 11 (10:23):
Hey, Danny, I got a couple of things for you. First,
about an hour ago, you were talking about old line players,
all time players, and you were thinking, well, who suffered
a rut for achilles. Well, you're also talking about the
sixteen ninety seventy Knicks versus Lakers, and of course, as
a Laker fan, I was just crushed when the Knicks
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beat us in Game seven. Of course Wilke had twenty
one points and twenty four rebounds in that game and
read it for but we couldn't stop Clyde. So the
next year as an eight year old, I'm very excited
to see the Lakers. Finally we get to see Elgin
and Jay and Wilt together. Of course we had sixty
eight sixty nine, but again going back to this seventy
(11:06):
seventy one season, two games in Elgin ruptures his achilles
and there you go, Oh, I'm great, as you know,
twenty seven points the game, fifth all time points per game.
And then you also were talking about the Spur excuse me,
the OKAC team and having been put to the test
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with two seven game series, I was taking up the
eighty seven eighty eight Lakers where we had to beat
Utah Dallas and the Pistons. We barely survived. I was
actually at that game seven where we beat the Pistons
one O eight to one O five, and that was
the last title of Showtime. Should won the next year,
but we lost Byron and Magic because Ryle decided to
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take the team to Santa Barbara and really worked them hard.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
And thank you, Kenny close the scrap book. Yeah, I
knew Elgin had a bad knee. I didn't remember because
I saw them in seventy one seventy two in person.
I saw the Lakers when they came into Cincinnati, but yeah,
Elgin Baylor, that was a guy who.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Missed the TV era.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
You know, there's a few there's probably five or six
that they missed out on that and as a result,
we kind of history hasn't been kind to them as
they should be.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Zach and Iowa, Hi, Zach, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 12 (12:32):
More?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Damn?
Speaker 12 (12:33):
I called in a couple of weeks ago after as
an iows Stay fan and a Thunder fan. After Tyree's
hit the game winner, he talked about how bearsweet it was,
and then again last night to just kind of tailed,
you know, book nd the series, it's the opposite side
of it. Pitres sweet for a different thing, and it
just in a way kin't want to they ruined the game,
but it just it was hard to enjoy it knowing
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what just happened. And I wonder if there's you know,
some other series in NBA history that kind of remind
you of that. The one that comes to mind for
me is the Raptors when they won the because with
the injury, it's hard to enjoy the other side of
it though, you know, forward looking and trying to enjoy
it is you don't want to assume that you have
this long window and these long runs to win multiple titles.
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But I do have hope that the thunder have almost
a Spurs era to them in the fact that you
have these young guys, a front office that gets it,
and guys that seem to understand what is in front
of them. And I'm hoping that, you know, in this
new era of sports, they're able to hang on and
understand that a little bit of sactifies here and there
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can be so worth it for the legacy of their careers.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah, but I don't know if they think that way.
Thank you, Zach.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
You get a championship and then you start to think
about getting paid or you want to have your own team.
I mean, look what happened with Kyrie with Lebron, And
look I understand where Kyrie's like, dude, I put up forty,
I had the game winning shot, and it's about Lebron
delivering a title to Cleveland. And then what happened with Kyrie.
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He went to Boston, he wanted his own team. Well,
he's not a guy who is going to lead a
team and he found that out the hard way. But
he's probably saying, wait a minute, Lebron comes back as
the conquering hero. And I've been here, like I understand
all those things. You know, I don't know if Jalen
Williams is going to go.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
You know what I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I don't want to be Pippin' to Jordan Chad Holmgren.
He's injury prone? Can you keep him healthy? Can you
keep is.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Lou Dort going to play for somebody else?
Speaker 8 (14:38):
Like?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You just never know. I mean, look at Boston. Boston
was on the verge, not anymore. Cleveland may never get
back there.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
You just never know.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
What san Antonio had is they had personalities who they
understood the spur Way if you, for the lack of
a better description, they understood, you want to play for championships.
We can play for championships. Tim Duncan almost went to Orlando.
He almost signed with Orlando. So you did have Ginobili
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and you had Parker. Would they have been stars on
other teams, not as big as stars they were in
San Antonio because we got to see them in you know,
championship games. You know, that's kind of the like Robert Dorry,
he played on great teams. He had moments. That's why
we remember him. If he averaged seventeen a game for
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his career, no one would remember Robert Dorry. Now we
remember him as one of the great clutch shooters in
the history of the sport. Steve Kerr was nobody got
to the bulls, knew what he was supposed to do,
hit a huge shot, won a title. John Paxson in
his brother's shadow, you know, wasn't going to be a
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star or any plays. Knew what he was supposed to
do with Jordan hit one of the biggest shots in
NBA history. But you have to understand how good am I,
where do I fit? What do I want to do?
And do you want to have that we're going to
keep winning championships? Is management going to want to continue
to win championships? Because that's another thing. You got to
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have management all in on this too. But you got
a great GM, you have a great base, great foundation.
But you won one title. That second one will be
tougher than this one. We'll take a break, We'll talk
about the rockets, We'll talk about what happened with that
trade with Kevin Durant. Is this his last stop or
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just his next stop? That question will be answered next.
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Vincent Goodwill Junior, the third y'all Who's Sports Senior NBA writer,
host of the Good Word podcast on y'all Who's Sports Ball?
Don't Lie in Serious XMNBA host and he joins us
after doing a deep dive on Kevin Durant going to
the Rockets. Why is Kevin Durant on the Rockets?
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Does he wants to be?
Speaker 14 (17:55):
I think that's the easy explanations to say. That is
because clearly amongst the team that he listed, the Rockets
were the team that looks to be a Kevin Durant
away with the young talent, the coaching, the pedigree from
being a real threat in the Western Conference. Like Aman
Thompson is real and an alparin Shingoon. I don't know
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how he fits in this iteration with Kevin Durant, but
he's a talented player. Jabari Smith like, they have so
many young pieces and still so many young unearthed pieces
yet to be explored that you add KD there, If
he is a reasonable semblance of what he's been, they're
a real threat in the Western Conference next season.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
How does Phoenix not get Thompson Reed Shepherd or like
it felt like the Rockets were like, wait a minute,
who do you want this trade?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Sure will do that.
Speaker 14 (18:49):
That is the art of negotiation, Dan, That is where
the player sometimes controls exactly what iteration appears for him
because he wants to go to a team that still
has enough place like look, Thompson's going to be a
non starter. And what works against Phoenix here is that
Kevin Durant is thirty six years old and the max
he can sign for an extension is going to be
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two years. Dan, we don't have a president for a
player who's had Liz Frank. Remember that the Liz Frank
is what got Bill Walton and achilles injury, which is
what Tyre's Halliburton at and an MCL. People forget he
had an MCL his first full year or second full
year in Brooklyn. There's no president for the long jevity
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of these old guys being able to hang around and
play at a championship level. So you do have to
find a way to mitigate some of that risks. Like
I know, the numbers look great on paper, fifty to
forty ninety across the board, but it looks different Dan.
If you go look at Kevin Durant in twenty fourteen
when before his first real injury, when he put up
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fifty against against the Golden State Warriors, he looks so
fluid that athleticism popped off the page. Now he's a
guy who's going to be thirty seven years old, and
once again there's no template for this. We don't have
any president for this, so we don't know what this
is going to look like or what it's supposed to look.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Like I'm going to ask you the question that you
ask in your column. Is this his last stomp or
just his next stop?
Speaker 14 (20:22):
Well, Dan, it's hard to say, because I thought Brooklyn
was going to be the last stop. I thought Phoenix
was going to be the last stop. So I'm not
going to box in Kevin Durant. I would just say
it feels more likely. I don't know if Kevin Durant
wants to be Lebron James playing until he's forty two,
forty three, fifty five years old to claim every record
or whatever it is for this mythical argument. I think
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Kevin Durant's going to play as long as his body
tells him that he can play, and he can play
meaningful basketball. You can only judge these guys two years
at a time because that's the length of their contracts.
These who's going to their forties, Dan, they need to
be like sitting up somewhere next to you, reminiscent about
the good times them. Need to be out there chasing
around these forty year old these twenty five year olds.
What's their problem?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
The Achilles injuries? Coincidence or something more to it.
Speaker 14 (21:10):
Maybe a little bit of both. I think what we
cannot quantify, Dan, is the amount of miles that these
players have on their bodies well before they get to
the NBA. We think of their old dometers starting once
they get to the league. That's not the case at
all when you're playing AAU basketball all those games today,
the personal training, and here's the other thing, this is
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the age of specialization. These guys aren't playing football, baseball, track,
all these other things to work different muscles. They're playing
one sport and it's starting that and it's starting that
mile trajectory really really early. I don't know how to
do that. I do know this, the next time someone
has a calf injury late in the season, sit they
ass down.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Period.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yes, but we said that. I said it last week.
I said, you know, you're not careful, you're going to
tear your achilles. And we've seen this with Durant. You've
seen this with Dame, We've seen this with Tatum. I
don't know, it just feels like there's something else.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Granted, Aaron Rodgers wasn't doing anything, just back to pass.
Dan Marino when he tore is just going back to pass,
So it's not all These are incredible athletes and they're
cutting in you know, all the mileage on there. It's
it's weird, you know that it can happen to a
quarterback just going back to pass.
Speaker 14 (22:28):
I mean, here's the thing. Something's always going to be
hurting on you as an athlete, and usually it's around
your calf, or it's ten tonight it's or it's something
that you're used to managing. I'm not sure. Dan Marino
tor he is in what ninety three if I remember correctly,
or ninety four, so he's like ten years into his career.
That's not necessarily common. Dame Lillard, that's an old man
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injury for him, Isaiah Thomas, that's an old man injury.
Dominque Wilkins, old man injury. These other guys. It's not
old Tyre's Halliburton. It is, you know, explosive athlete that's
jumping around. But when you have a calf Andrey remember
Luka Doncic had a calf injury, and Dallas that we
kind of wonder, okay, is he in good enough shape?
And all these other type things. All these injuries aren't
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created equal, they aren't birth by the same things, but
they do produce the same risk, and we have to
look at them like this is a risk, especially when
you're playing one hundred games into a season and Dan
the game is moving so fast. That's what you gotta
be careful.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Talking to Vincent Goodwill, he is the Yahu Sports senior
NBA writer's latest article has to do with Kevin Durant
with the Rockets. I'm curious about the Spurs if they're
taking Dylan Harper, so that backcourt's pretty crowded. So I
got the Rookie of the Year, I got dearon Fox,
and it feels like somebody is not going to be
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long for San Antonio.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
What are the Spurs gonna do well?
Speaker 14 (23:52):
Talking to people around the league, the Spurs are the
team that they're like, Okay, keep an eye on them,
because the Spurs like to keep things to the best.
They're not going to go out and telegraph their moves.
Remember we didn't see the darn Fox trade happening. They
were like they already got they already got a young
guard there, and then he added another one, right, so
I wouldn't be surprised, like there have been instances where
(24:13):
I don't know if you remember this stand the Phoenix
Sons of ninety seven had Kevin Johnson, a young Steve Nash,
and Jason Kidd, and they wound up working out that.
You know, kJ was a little bit older, Steve Nash
was a little bit unfounded at the time, and you
kind of let these things work themselves out. You take
the best player available. Like I don't. I'm not a
believer in reaching, but I am a believer in the
(24:36):
Spurs having number two and number fourteen. I think they
had number two hoping that Kevin Durant would pick them
and they would use that as far as draft capital
in the trade. But now that they don't, I wonder
if they're going to take I don't see that being
a tenable thing. But also it is supposed to be
a positionless league, and that what they tell us. I
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don't believe that, mind you, I don't believe disposition to lead.
He think that's a.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It is amazing though, when you look back on the
Phoenix Suns, you had three Hall of fame point guards.
I don't think Kj's a Hall of famer, but he
played like a Hall of famer at times. Jay Kidd
and Steve Nash. But you're right, nobody knew about Nash.
I remember being at a practice facility and watching Nash
and I go, you know that that's the kid from Santa.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Clara, Like he's he's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
And then they've said, well he won't play here, he
won't start here, and then all of a sudden he
goes to Dallas and next thing you know, you know,
he's somebody unique. But you didn't worry about salaries back then, Vincent.
Now I got dearon Fox. What's he going to cost me?
Although I get Castle and Harper on you know rookie deals,
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Aaron Fox is going to cost me a lot of money.
So it feels like he might be the guy Jettison here.
Speaker 14 (25:58):
Well he just got him.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Like that's but I think if you knew that you
were gonna end up with the second pick like I,
they wouldn't have made the move, probably for him, if
they knew they were going to be in this situation.
I like him, but if I can get younger and
I don't spend money, I thought they were going to
get Durant. I thought that that they realized that he
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can help us, he can take pressure, he can be
a bucket, and but you know they're they're not yet
where the Rockets are, and the Rockets might be a
year away. San Antonio feels like maybe two years away
from being uh oh, here they come.
Speaker 14 (26:42):
Well, Victor's coming, and I think there's a difference between
Victor's coming and the Spurs are coming. I think they're
on two different kind of a little bit different timeline.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Will he be the best player in the game in
five years?
Speaker 14 (26:55):
If not him, who are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Well, go just.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Is gonna be there for a little while, whether you
believe that, But it feels like, you know, by twenty
five I think I said that he'll be the best
player in the sport Victor.
Speaker 14 (27:12):
I mean, why won't he be the best player in
the sport two years from now? Why won't he be
the best player in the sport next year? Like, do
you see what he's doing. He's out there with the monks.
He looks like Eddie Murphy and the Golden Child. Do
you remember that movie.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, that was a bad movie. That was a bad
good reference bad movie. But yeah, he's with the Tibetan
monks there. But yeah, I look, I'm a big fan
because he should have been Defensive Player of the Year
the last two years. But I just wonder can the
team keep up with him?
Speaker 14 (27:45):
Is that he's well, he's not going anywhere. And here's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
No, but the talent around him, can they keep up
with him as he develops? So castle can he shoot better?
Is Harper going to be you know, true go to guy?
Who else do you have on that team who's going
to help you?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
You know? So that that would be my only concern
with that.
Speaker 14 (28:09):
No, I don't disagree with you. I mean I think
they have pieces that you can move. The Jeremy Sohans,
the Keldon Johnson's guys like that that you if you're
talking about packaging players and figuring stuff out, if you
want to press the fast forward button. But until a
player goes into his first rookie extension, And if you
think about this, like the NFL, where if you get
a quarterback on a rookie contract and you start putting
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in those veteran pieces around him, like Seattle deal with
Russell Wilson like a decade ago, that's what the NBA
is turning into now, where if you get a guy
on the first contract or the first rookie extension, that's
when you start building a championship team. That's why you
have all these teams sort of positioning themselves to make
runs now before guys get really really expensive. I wouldn't
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be surprised if the San Antonio Spurs put all their
chips to the center of the table, but traditionally that's
not how they have operated.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
All Right, what's the better version of Michael Jordan, Young
Mike or old Mike or veteran or our veteran Mike.
I'll give you five years of the next five years.
Speaker 14 (29:11):
Oh, it's that middle five. It is. It is eighty
nine to ninety three Michael Jordan, and I don't think
it's particularly close. Like in eighty nine, he was scary,
just like the triple doubles, and he was going into
his body and he took that really not good bulls
seam to the Eastern Conference Finals where he took two
games off of a Detroit team that didn't lose to
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anybody else that season that series, and then the next
year you could see he was really coming and really
going to show up. And then you went when you
run off three in a row, and I know that
the bad boys were old and Magic carried a bunch
of dudes who were Magic and the who's who of
who in nineteen ninety one to the NBA Finals. He
didn't have a direct equal because of len bias and
because of the calendar. But there was no greater player
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we've ever seen in this league's history besides Michael Jordan.
Between nineteen eight, in nineteen ninety three now the nineteen
ninety seven Michael Jordan, the adult grown Michael Jordan. That
guy put up the best NBA Finals we've ever seen. Legit,
from game to game, from the flu game to the
triple double to the game winner in Game one. Performance
by performance, that's the best NBA Finals we've ever seen.
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As far as game to game effect. That was a
thirty two to thirty three year old Michael jo. Okay,
you can, you can, you can take a pick?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Is Michael the first and second best player of all time?
If I look at what he was in eighty nine
and what he was in ninety six ninety seven.
Speaker 14 (30:35):
Well, well, I will tell you this, and this is
what's something someone told me, so it's not original. Michael
Jordan is so great he went into the Hall of
Fame as two players himself and Scottie Pippen.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Wow, Wow, that's cold blooded.
Speaker 14 (30:55):
I am from Detroit, Dan. No, we do, we do,
we do call Scotty sitting around here.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Gilbert Arenas said that he can't believe that people treat
Kobe like he was his sidekick when he was with
Shaq in that three peet. There is that fair to
say that he shouldn't have been viewed as Shaq's sidekick.
Speaker 14 (31:21):
I think the problem is revisionist history has sort of
made people go to the stat sheet and said, man,
Tracy McGrady was a really good player. He could have
done what Kobe did. No, he couldn't have like Kobe
actually carried the Lakers in some of those playoffs series. Now,
two thousand, Kobe wasn't fully grown. He was still twenty
one years I think twenty two years old, and he
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was still battling a little bit of inconsistency and find himself.
But by two thousand and one, no no, no, no, no, no,
no no no. By two thousand and one, he was
arguably the best player in the game. Like the way
he dominated that San Antonio Spurs series in the Western
Conference Finals where he was taking forty point games on
the road. Again, Tim Duncan and David Robinson and going
to the basket and dunking on them. No, no, no, there
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is as much as there is dan a big gap
between Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. And I think there
is a huge gap between those two players. There's even
as greater of a gap between Kobe Bryant and anybody
else that you feel like you can put in those spots.
Because Shaquille O'Neal needed somebody, and he just didn't need
a Vince Card or Tracy McGrady. Like those guys were great,
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great players, But Kobe had an appetite and all around
complete game, especially defensively where he would really get after it.
I think, you know, it's funny when he died, it
was almost like there was an overarching sort of reach
to put him in a certain spot. And now all
of a sudden, we're going to downplay. No, no, no,
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can we just ring it a little bit to the middle.
I'm not going to say Kobe Bryant's rings didn't count,
like if you're not the number one guy, don't count whatever,
Because Magic Johnson played with Kareem al Dula Jabbar, whose
rings were those in nineteen eighty nine, eight two eighty five, Like,
I don't want to parse that and turn that discussion
into something that is not.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I mentioned this and I'll leave you with this with
OKAC that I know we want to fast track them
to being a great team of all time, which they're not. Uh,
you know, you went to Game seven twice. You had
to hold off the biggest underdog in the last twenty
five years according to the odds makers. It took a
guy blowing out his achilles.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
You hold on, you won.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
We might look differently at this OKC team in three
years with what happens, they could be the Toronto Raptors,
or they might have some sustainability here, which I hope
they do and they probably should. But I think we
want to have that coronation of this is one of
the great teams of all time, great regular season. Denver
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took them to seven, Indiana took them to seven. And
that's why I would just say, enjoy, enjoy your parade,
enjoy your title. Don't put them in there with the
one Lakers or the you know, eighty six Celtics or
you know they're not there.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
But that's okay.
Speaker 14 (34:08):
What do you think I think the difference between all
of those teams that you mentioned is some of the
single seasons and greatest teams. Eighty six Celtics, eighty seven Lakers,
eighty three, seventy six Ers that only won one championship,
oh one Lakers. All those teams have gone through multiple
playoff runs, winning, losing everything else. This is their second
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playoff run together, Dan, And that's where you can look
at it and say, man, do they still have more
room to grow that? And you don't know in today's NBA,
especially with them being in Oklahoma City, and we don't
know how they're going to handle Jalen Williams coming up
for a Max, chet Holmgren coming up for a Max
and having all those draft picks and figuring out the
economics of the game there. But we've had seven different
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champions in the last seven years. Then we say the
same thing about Milwaukee. Oh, they're going to go on
a run. Boston, they're going to go on a run.
Denver they got Nicola Yokis the best player in the game,
going to go on a run. The game moves faster
than ever, quicker than ever. I'm with you. I think
they are one of the best single season teams we've
ever seen. It remains to be seen if they have
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as long as a runway. What if, Dan, they are
the San Antonio Spurs where they never go back to back,
but they win championships over a fifteen year period. Where
the ninety nine team looks totally different than the old
seventeen looks totally different than the twenty fourteen team, but
there's a common denominator and a common threat there. We
would still say they are wildly successful, especially in today's NBA.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Will said Vincent Goodwill y'allho's sports senior NBA writer, host
of The Good Word podcast on Yahoo's Sports and Serious
XM NBA host.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Great to talk to you so always. Thank you, Bell always.
Speaker 14 (35:46):
I love the Living for the City.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Oh all right, little Stevie Wonder Living for the City.
Got a little T shirt going on there. I see
what you're doing. Thank you, Vince. All right, Well, take
a break. When we come back, we play fill in
the blank, have an Achilles terror theory, and more of
your phone calls.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
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Speaker 2 (36:14):
Time to play Phil in the blank. I will read
something and then you Phil in the blank. Oklahoma City's
future is blank Todd sga, Okay, Seaton.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
It starts now. Marvin full of draft picks.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
Paul not that simple.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I'll say promising championship parades are blank Todd.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
I'm going with whatever tech parades or whatever.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Seaton fun, Marvin Long, Paul sloppy.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I'll say communal Kevin Durant's legacy is going to be
blank Ton tarnished.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
He continues to play.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Misinterpreted Marvin complex, all.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Full of semantics.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, I was going to go complex too.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Sports in late June early July is Blank Todd, desperate viewing.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Setan.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Spars, Marvin tough for the job, Paully relaxing. I would
say vacation worthy. The sexy NFL team in August will
be blank Todd.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
The Denver Broncos, you, I think they could win the
FC West. And I don't want to get into pies
in the face, but I think the Broncos A lot
of a lot of people in the so called experts
are into Denver.
Speaker 9 (37:48):
Yes, Fritzy is right on on this. It doesn't It's
not just because he likes them. Every year, a couple
of teams get picked to be the focal point team
in August that they could surprise people. Denver's one of.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Them, Satan, What about you. Sexy NFL team in August.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Is the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Well, their quarterback just got married over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Marvin the Green Bay Packers, Paul the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
The sexy NFL team in August will be the Bears.
The Bears one degree weather is blank, Todd uncomfortable, Seaton hot, Marvin.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
Really hot, Paul debilitating.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Really really hot.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
Sorry I have gone there.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
That's fill in the blank. We did it.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Hey, uh Angela and Oklahoma, Hi Angela, what's on your
mind today?
Speaker 16 (38:52):
Good morning? First of all, I wanted to say that
was the best interview, one of the best interviews with Goodwill.
Speaker 15 (39:01):
Uh.
Speaker 16 (39:02):
Second of all, I have to say that Halliburton, you're
in our thoughts and prayers. Okay, Well, and then finally
let's go okay, very I'm excited and excited. So I
wrote two points, one that was in case we lost,
(39:23):
and the one that I'm gonna read you right now.
It's called oh to Oklahoma, Sorry, oh to Loud City.
Are you ready, dah sure, Look at that my thunder
winds filling greatest champions. We came to work hard and
fight every single day and night. Coaches SGA and the
(39:46):
boys standing tall with so much poise. Oh Dan, can't
wait for next year. Let's go thunder is what will cheers?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
All right?
Speaker 2 (39:57):
That's that Angelo and Oklahoma. She actually had words that
Ryan with one another.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I was well done and poetic.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I love to create a novel approach there Axel rhymes.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, uh, Jimmy in Chicago, try to squeeze you in here,
Jimmy Hey.
Speaker 15 (40:13):
Then one of the time in on Marvin's Jordan question
in eighty eight, amazing accomplishments that year, he was MVP,
Defensive Player of the Year, also Game MVP, as well
as scoring leader. I was only five at the time though,
so didn't that was before my time, but I watched
every game in the ninety three season. That year, I
call it the Terminator year. He was just truly unstoppable.
(40:35):
Forty one points per game in the finals, highest average
in the finals for that and I just think that
if he didn't retire, they would have definitely won a
fourth championship as well.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah, probably so,
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