June 26, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan reacts to the first round of the NBA Draft as the Dallas Mavericks select Cooper Flagg with the first overall pick. Plus, Dan and the Danettes discuss the tradition of wearing your team’s hat after being drafted and the many ways that can get awkward.
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all of that forthcoming Day two of the Draft coming
up later on tonight. Last night, a couple of surprises,
but really this is kind of the let's reintroduce or
maybe introduce you to some of the players who might
be playing some minutes in the NBA next season. I'm
going to throw out a couple of names and then
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you tell me if you can guess where I'm going
and maybe even recognize them if I said Bub Carrington
or I said Jalen Wells, Eve's Missy, where are we gone?
I'm talking about NBA players who were rookies last year.
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Bub Carrington played the most minutes of any rookie last year.
He was drafted fourteenth by the Wizards. Jalen Wells second
most minutes. He was drafted thirty ninth by the Grizzlies.
Eves Missy, who played for the Pelicans, drafted twenty first.
He was fourth on the list. Stefan Castle third on
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the list. He was drafted fourth overall by the Spurs.
So what am I getting at? You can be drafted high,
you can be drafted in the lottery. That doesn't mean
you're going to have those kind of minutes. I think
we feel like, you know, the old days, when you're
drafted in the first ten picks, fifteen picks, you're playing
right away. Reed Shepherd did not play for the Rockets
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last year, and I played five hundred minutes, but he
was a G League player. He was the third pick overall.
You're drafting players and it's almost like you're drafting them,
they're going to be on your roster. But it's not
like it's sort of like baseball where they draft and
then you disappear for a couple of years and then
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you come back. You know, you go to the minor leagues.
These players are kind of there or maybe in the
G League and then they might contribute. Now, do I
think Dylan Harper is going to play significant minutes for
the Spurs? Yes? Is Cooper Flagg going to play significant
minutes for the Dallas Mavericks? I do Ace Bailey in
Utah vj Edgecomb. I don't know how much he's going
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to play for the seventy six ers. They already have
their guards there. So you're trying to figure this out
of Okay, you drafted a guy, what's that mean for
our team right away? How many of these guys will
have a true impact? And you're going to have some
projects here and you might have a guy who plays
for a team who then gets traded and then becomes
(03:24):
something in two or three or four years. Because you're
drafting eighteen year olds, nineteen year olds in college baseball,
they're at least twenty two to twenty three, so it's
different but it'd be like taking an eighteen year old
high school phenom in baseball. You're not going to the majors,
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he's going to the miners. Well, you're gonna get guys
who are going to play sparingly with a lot of
these first round picks, if they even make the team.
If I said to Monte Kamara, he leed in minutes
the previous year for the Portland Trailblazers Kyante George. He
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had the second most minutes in the previous draft. He
was sixth sixteenth overall. So there's no sure things. I mean,
do I expect Ace Bailey to be a good player,
I guess, But the situation you're in really dictates how
quickly you become successful. If you go to a bad roster,
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a bad organization, it's already an uphill battle you're going in.
You're going to be a rookie, you're just trying to survive.
Now you're on a team with a bunch of knuckleheads,
and you've got to you know, the history is systemic
of how bad you are, and there's a reason why
those organizations stay bad. They're not relevant. Danny Ainge didn't
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care that, as Bailey didn't want to go to Utah.
Danny Inge said, all right, we'll take you. You don't
want to go to Philly or Charlotte. He didn't want
to go to Utah. He wanted to go to Brooklyn,
and he wanted to go to Washington because he wants
to be a star right away. I want my shots.
I want to play right away. If I go to
Charlotte and LaMelo ball is going to be dominating, you know,
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he's ball dominant there. Doesn't want to go to the Sixers. Okay,
they're kind of a mess. Didn't want to go to Utah,
and Danny ag said that's all right, but I'm still
going to take you. And got a lot of talent.
But I don't know if I don't know if this
strategy worked that he didn't want to work out for
certain teams, didn't want to go to Charlotte, didn't want
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to go to the seventy six ers. He's he's too
talented to have dropped too far. And I think he
was hoping that he was going to drop maybe a
couple more picks, at least one more pick. He wanted
to go to the Pelicans. So this strategy didn't work.
You ended up in Utah, but Dallas did well obviously
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getting Cooper Flag. Who can now now ease in two
minutes if you played for another organization, You're like, all right,
we're coming out to see Cooper Flag. Well, you're gonna
go out and see the Mavericks with Cooper Flag. There's
a big difference, and we're gonna go see Cooper Flag
and the nets, and I think the expectation level will
be very beneficial. Carmelo Anthony, former number one overall pick now,
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an analyst for NBC with their NBA coverage, had this
to say about Cooper Flag.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
To me, he doesn't do anything great. He just do
a lot of very good. You know what I'm saying.
He offensive rebound very good. He in the passing lanes
very good. He's a weak side defender, very good on
ball defender.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
He got a lot better.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I want to see him against you.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I want to see him against Kad, I want to
see him against Luca. I want to see him against
ann Elwids, because you coming in as that guy.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
If he gotta develop the right way, he got to
get a skill set.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You can't be in the pros and don't have a
skill set, So you'll have to have a skill set.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Skill set, it have.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
To be something a wonderful full of like something floater like.
You have to have something that's your go to right now,
he don't have a go to.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's Carmelo on Podcast P with Paul George discussing Cooper Flag.
You know, I disagree with them of you know, what's
his bag. You can be a really good all around player.
There's value in that. They're looking at this from an
offensive perspective, so it's a myopic view of he's got
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to have a signature move. Well, he's eighteen, and I
think his signature move is he doesn't have a signature move.
He's got a variety of things. He's not going to
be one dimensional. And look, Carmelo was incredible, but he
didn't really have much of a move. It was just
that jab step. But he was gonna nail it. He's
going to kill you mid range. But Carmelo was not
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the all around player that Cooper Flag is. So there's
a difference in that. It's the value in that. But
Cooper Flag as an opportunity to learn. He can learn
from Kyrie, he can learn from Ad, he can learn
from Jason Kidd, if Jason Kidd still wants to be
the coach, feels like that didn't go away yet. There
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was a report yesterday that either the Knicks and Jason
Kidd are still holding out hope. But Nico Harrison, by
the way, you can't write a script for Nico Harrison
where you go, hey, listen to this pitch, Hollywood. This
guy he's got a trade, a franchise player, death threats,
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he can't even go to games or they bow him.
And you know, the team had all kinds of injuries.
You kind of limped literally into the playoffs, and then
all of a sudden, long odds, you win the lottery
and then you get Cooper Flag.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
That's what happened.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
So I guess the Mavericks had a good year. Would
you say, all the backlash you had, all the injuries,
Kyrie's going to be out for half the year, probably
you get a d and you got bailed out, the
ultimate bailout, probably an NBA history where it's like, oh
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my god, what did we do? Now we still do
it again. He didn't play any defense, and then you
end up with Cooper Flag. But watching last night, you know,
it's fun to see some of these names that you
saw kind of a you know, six months there were
eighteen freshmen drafted. This really was an introduction to rookie class.
(09:39):
One oh one last night and this DJ Edgecombe. I
watched him. I really liked him at Baylor. I don't
know what he's going to do in the NBA. I
don't know what any of the you know, kN Knipple,
I don't know. I mean at Duke, all right, you
can look a like a top five pick. I guess it.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Duke.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
He's a really good shooter, but he is a you know,
stand still shooter. I don't know how much he's creating.
You're gonna play in Charlotte, which good luck, Good Charlotte.
Me he got some minutes. Probably I'm gonna Gas. So
I don't you know you're trying to figure any of
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this stuff out. Good luck, because you're dealing mostly with
freshman Dylan Harper. Not a great shooter, but he can
handle the ball. Well. San Antonio's got the Rookie of
the Year stuff on Castle and dearon Fox. I'm gonna
guess somebody is probably headed out of town. Could san
Antonio who missed out on and I don't have any
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information on this. This is just me watching the TV
last night in between getting yelled at by steven A. Smith.
Not directly, it just felt like it was like, I
got to turn down. Can you have a volume when
steven A is on that I could just turn it
down just a little bit and then it's kind of
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an auto adjust there. You know it's Stephen A. Smith.
Don't they have the SSAP or whatever? That is just
this will be the essays, Yeah, the essays where it's like,
because he started yelling and I'm like, who is he?
Why are we yelling? And I think at one point
somebody said this, Bob Myers might have said, hey, this
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is supposed to be a good night, a positive night.
I am positive. Slow down, just slow down. It's okay.
I don't know who came up with that idea of
the louder you yell, the more often you're gonna win
your argument. Casparis jocket Tunis can't play. I don't even
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know where I was before I get a lot of
eighteen year olds drafted. Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
The worst thing you could be in basketball, A graduating
senior for your senior.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Well, okay, Danny Wolf played at Yale and then went
to Michigan. Now, Marvin loved Danny Wolf, love his game,
big fan, But I don't know if he was a senior.
He was a junior at Michigan. Okay, I don't know
if there was a senior taken last night. I'm gonna guess.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
That's the worst thing to be is a US born
senior going into the draft. If your senior year, it's like, hey,
maybe second round, late second round. Yes.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
The only thing worse would be a fifth year senior
the Armando Baycott syndrome, as we like to call it here,
played five years at North Carolina, just played great basketball
and couldn't get in.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
No, I misspoke with Mellow, Mellow's third overall pick, not
number one.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Pick, reminding Detroit fans about that.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yes, that's true. Yeah, and should have left that out. Yes, uh,
all right, So playday is coming up. Thank you for
setting me straight on that with carmelon. All right, So
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Nets had five first round picks. Speaking of Danny Wolf,
(13:14):
I don't know if he was happy to go there
or maybe got happier that his name was called. But
he was just kind of sitting there and then all
of a sudden they called his name, but Brooklyn Nets
They drafted four guards, three point guards, and they drafted
Danny Wolf, who was a point center.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
He was crying Wolf.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Oh wow, I go dang, that's fine. We'll take a break.
Dylan's job is to come up with poll questions. Today
he'll do the honors. And Seaton is not with us,
and we have an issue that happens every draft, certainly
with the NBA. We want to bring it to yours.
(14:00):
I don't know if it's fixable. I do have what
I think is a possible solution to it, but we'll
have that for you coming up. We're back after this
Dan Patrick show.
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Speaker 1 (14:48):
He's still moving.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
It's an ongoing problem that I first witnessed in person,
where one player gets traded. He's already got his hat on,
he's already had his moment with the commissioner, and then
all of a sudden, he's got to act excited because
now he's going to another team. I was there when
Scottie Pippen and Olden Polonies were traded for one another.
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They were a couple of rows from each other, and
we were interviewing them at the draft, and then all
of a sudden, you hear and Seattle and Chicago have
a trade. Scottie Pippen is going to go to the Bulls,
Olden Polonies is going to the Seattle Super. So they
just traded hats. Well, the problem is if you go
(15:33):
in and you got a lot of hair, the hat
doesn't look very good. I'm watching Walter Clayton Junior, the
third Florida great. He got drafted. He put his hat on,
but you know, a strong wind, somebody opens the door
and it's going to fly off. Visor. Visor is my
(15:53):
suggestion here? Really? Team visors? Yes, yeah, it's all about
more marketing. That's why they put the hat on you
right away, Like, oh and you can get this hat
right now. I think we go with visors. Now, I'm
not a visor guy, but if you're looking for product
placement that might look a little cooler. That would be
(16:14):
what I would go with instead of just a let's
just have this rest on top of your noggin here, yes.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
B yeah, I'm looking at the videos now. There's a
number of players who have kind of big hair and
that the hat's just kind of resting there. It could
get blown off. What about a little dais where you
got a visor, a hat and maybe like a soccer scarf,
all on those team and they pick which one they
want to walk out with the commissioner with.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, Fritzie said, a sash maybe, or maybe a chain.
Now a lot of them had chains on last night,
but you know, maybe you have one and you know
com Kin nipple comes out with a Charlotte Hornet's chain
around its neck.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yes, Marmon, Yeah, I think it just looks clearer that way,
like it's not bothering me as much as others, but
it's still kind.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Of ah, but this is all about marketing.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Then the chain, Yeah, it looks cooler. It just looks cooler. Hey,
put the chain on, and then you just have this
hat on, all this hair on Visor.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yes, let the hair be seen. I could still get
the logo in there, and I go with a Visor.
You don't think out the kids are not going to
go Visor.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Now we're playing this game of in and out.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Okay, you're in or out on Visor? Anybody in on
visors for draft picks? Dylan No, Dylan is big Visor guys. Okay, yikes.
Speaker 10 (17:36):
Only downside is if the top of your head is
a little thinner, you're exposed. Other than that, though, it's
the perfect piece of it.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I don't think a lot of guys are going bald
at the draft just because you are. I mean, Alex
Caruso might be, but you know that's I don't think
most of these guys came in with the you know,
some pretty good Moss there.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Yeah, Paul, going back to the mid round draft thing,
like Derek Queen of Maryland was drafted last night by
the Atlanta Hawks. He walks up on stage one of
the great moments of his life. He puts on a
Hawks at, takes a picture, his family's taking pictures. He
got the Hawks hat on. Twelve minutes later, he is
a New Orleans Pelican. He can't go back and retake
the picture.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Is this fixable?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
No, because I'm going to guess the Pelicans said, hey,
if you get that guy, then we'll make this trade
with you. If you don't get the guy, then we're
not going to make the trade. If he's available, we
want you to take him, then we'll make this pick
ell or will make this trade.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Yes, Marvin, Yeah, because it's usually a draft him for us. Yes,
so if you're the Hawks or the Wizards or whoever
a drafting force, and then afterwards we'll trade. But yes,
going back on and watching Scottie Pippen where the Sonics
hat or Chris webberwear the Magic hat. Yes, it looks
a little awkward because they never played for those teams.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
But when he's announced, could you then have the guy
that maybe he's traded for walk up and then you
could have the exchange up there, and then he could
re hug the commissioner.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
The hat handoff.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, it's like a baton. And then like Eli Manning
when he got drafted by the Chargers and he looks miserable,
but he knows he's not going to stay with the
Chargers and he is going to go to the Giant.
So it's like old enough that you're okay, this is great.
(19:27):
This is the moment I thought of all my life,
the Giants and Chargers have a trade, and then all
of a sudden you see Eli smile. Yes, Todd, I.
Speaker 11 (19:35):
Know, marketing wise, a cap would coast I guess a
bit more than a headband. But since there's a lot
of headbands in college and the pros, can you do
a headband with a nice big logo for those that
have the hair where it looks like it's just resting
up on your head where it looks ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I'm I'm open for business with that. Absolutely.
Speaker 11 (19:51):
You're talking about a fIF forty fifty dollars hat versus
what could be like a ten to fifteen dollars headband,
So you're losing some money there, but it just looks better.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Well, I don't think, I mean once again, you just
want him to go to your kind of your catalog there.
Hey they got head bench there? Ah? What else they have? Then?
They have a hat there? Hey they got a sash here? Hey,
you can get a chain a necklace here?
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Yes, yes, Dylan, they have you seen those giant hats too?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Right?
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Those are popular?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Why don't they do those? Those are kind of stupid? Exactly, Yeah, but.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Walter Clayton Junior last night, it would have fit perfectly.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, you know those are kind of corny. What's the
poll question today, Dylan?
Speaker 10 (20:32):
All right, Dan, this is from Todd Oh. Cooper Flag's
NBA career will exceed expectations, meet expectations, fall slightly short
of what we thought, or not come close to matching
all the hype.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Well, I don't know what. I don't know what the
expectations are. But I'm glad you asked because DraftKings just
sent me some information. Cooper Flag rookie season prompt Bath,
how many points it's the over under Cooper Flag rookie year. Paul,
(21:06):
I'm gonna start with you. Fifteen point eight, God, seventeen
point six, Dylan fourteen nine, Marvin thirteen eight, sixteen and
a half, sixteen and a half. How about rebounds per
game for Cooper Flag Marvin.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Seven point eight, Paul five point nine, God.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Six point one, bloop bloop exactly. Yeah you did it, Yeah,
you did it. Cooper Flags. Odds to win the MVP,
I got those two. Uh, it's Joker and SGA are
the two favorites. Then it's Giannis, it's Luca Anthony Edwards.
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The Joker is plus two hundred, SGA is plus two fifty.
Cooper Flag to win the the MVP is plus fifty thousand.
So Dylan, you're part of the gambling podcast and you
usually do stupid things. Dylan comes in today and he goes,
you know, there are a lot of people who are
betting on Dylan Harper going number one overall.
Speaker 10 (22:14):
I go, why, Well, I think people were banking on
the mavericks ineptitude to do the completely wrong thing. And
I think it was like plus fifteen thousand for Cohen Arpert,
So one hundred bucks were only fifteen grand.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Okay, they made one move that they regretted, or maybe
they don't regret, but that doesn't mean they're going to
be making a bunch of stupid moves just because you
made one move and you traded Luca. Now granted they
got bailed out, but you trade Luca and they were
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adamant that they just didn't think he was going to
be in shape and playing defense. And this regime thinks
she got to play defense. Okay, I get it, but
that doesn't mean you're gonna go hmm. You know, in
second thought, maybe we should take Dylan Hartper instead of
this Cooper flag kid. You didn't bet this, did you?
Speaker 7 (23:08):
No, I believe it or not. I stayed away from that.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Oh because you normally you'll go to parlays or long shots.
I like to sprinkle on some of the stupider things
gambling podcasts later on today, Dan Patrick dot Com, Shane Irving,
bad Larian, Dylan. Yes, Paul, I just did a quick check.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
I have only two players in history who won Rookie
of the Year in MVP in the same season two
all times.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
One One is west n So that's right.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Nineteen fifty nine, I'm sorry, nineteen sixty nine. Seventy. Wow,
that's wild Baltimore. He average shot that's fourteen points eighteen rebounds,
MVP and Rookie of the Year. And there's one more
about a decade earlier.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Decade earlier. Yes, I'll say Wilt Chamberlaine, that's correct.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
As a rookie, Wilt Chamberlain at age one three average
thirty eight points and twenty seven rebounds per game.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
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Wilt's numbers are crazy. You averaged thirty eight points. But
we it's like we disavow any knowledge of those. It
gets uh, you know Ripley's believe it or not, Like
(24:28):
I don't know, did anybody see that he dominated? Oh?
I know, he's playing against plumbers and electricians. So was
everybody else playing against plumber Nobody else was putting up
thirty eight to twenty four? Oh yeah, but you know,
how did he do against Bill Russell? I think Wild
had fifty five rebounds in a game against the Boston Celtics.
(24:54):
Isn't that every rebound he had? Every rebound against Bill Russell?
Oh gosh, yes.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
I think you nailed it on Wilt. It's like he's
a mythological figure, not a basketball player. His numbers are
so much better than anybody else's that if you went
by numbers, he's by far the best player in NBA history.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, but we allow this with Babe Ruth.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yes, but they magine if Babe kept pitching.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, but he had more home runs than entire teams
in certain years, So there is a mythological field to
Babe Ruth. I just I don't think we're fair to
Wilt Chamberlain, and you rarely are with the big guy.
You know, nobody likes the big guy. But it's not
(25:40):
his fault. I mean, he just played against whoever he
was supposed to play against, and Babe is playing against whoever.
No integration back then, No, was he different than everybody else, Yes,
but it just feels like, oh, Babe Ruth, he had
more home runs than teams did Wilt, who's he playing?
(26:01):
Will didn't cheat, like he didn't do anything that was illegal. Yes, marm,
but with.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
The NBA, we've talked about this before. Championships are what
really matters, and when your rival wins all the championships
you only win two, that hurts your case. Like with
Baby Ruth, I don't know how many World Series he
has because it's not that important when you're talking about
the greatest players ever in that sport. But in basketball championships,
because we know Bill Russell has eleven championships.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
If Will had six championships top three at least, would
we now look at him differently? That would he be
a top three, top two basketball player of all time
just by winning four more titles with all the stats
that he had. Yes, why isn't Bill Russell the greatest
(26:51):
player of all time?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
But people hold him in higher regard than Wild Chamberlain.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I think, well, I'm just saying Michael Jordan won six.
Isn't all about winning championships? Or is Michael did it
in a stylistic way that was you know, we were
able to watch it, whereas Bill Russell, You're like Ahegs McMahon,
you know who were there playing against? You know, Okay,
(27:20):
but he did win eleven, which is five more than Mike.
I just think that, you you know, we bring Russell
into the conversation because he won eleven titles. How many
championships did John Hablchek win? He went six, I think eight,
and he scored twenty six thousand points. He's not in
(27:43):
the conversation, He's not even in the top fifteen players
of all time. He had eight titles eight and thirteen
years and he scored twenty six thousand points. I think, yes, Marvin, but.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
I think with Mike Jordan, it might be the dominance
of one singular player. Where As soon as he got
on the floor, especially when he started winning championships, you
knew they were going to win because of that one
guy Russell Celtics, all that entire team had Hall of
famers on it.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
If but Mike wasn't winning a title until he got
players to help him win a title. He did, you know,
his rookie first couple of years, he was just leading
the league in scoring. Now, granted, what he did against
the Celtics in the Garden that afternoon, I mean, that's incredible,
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But he didn't win until he got Scottie and Dennis
and Kup coach and Horace Grant, and you know, he
had to have players. They all have to have players.
Nobody's winning a title, you know as a individual. So
Mike was incredible, but Mike needed players. Now, granted, Will
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had some really good rosters. It was just Boston just
a better coach team. Yes' So who do you have
as the greatest player ever? I think the Kareem. If
I look at the whole career, I would put Kareem.
I think he's the most dominating player I ever saw,
and he did it in an elegant way, an effortless way.
(29:19):
If I look at high school, college and the pros,
I probably say him. But it's tricky, you know, it's
once once again, it's it's in the open to interpretation,
the eye of the beholder. In a modern era, Oh,
what's what's Kareem going to be?
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I have no idea, you know, Michael, in the modern era,
I have no idea. I mean, I have an idea.
What's Wilt like today? And you know people make these arguments,
but you were in your era. What did you do
in your era? That's the only thing I can go.
How much better were you than everybody else in your era?
(29:59):
Wilts toistically was it was so much better than everybody
When you average fifty a game for a season, I
have to acknowledge it some way. But when Babe Ruth
had sixty home runs, we're like, yeah, the babe he
had sixty, you know, like, Okay, what's different?
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yes, Ma, but even back then, writers didn't show well
respect like that because when he averaged fifty, he didn't
win the league MVP.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I know Oscar averaged a triple double. He averaged fifty.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Oh ridiculous. That sounds to say that out loud, fifty
a game.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
But if you have more.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Championship yeah, yeah, and yes he in the biggest moments,
he came up small. He did, although he had a
pretty statistically if you go back when they lost to
the Knicks in nineteen seventy, check wiltson numbers in that
championship game. So Willis Reid hits two jumpers and that's it.
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He scores four points. They end up winning. I think
one thirteen to ninety nine, and I think Wilt may
have had like twenty eight, twenty four something like that.
I think I think, once again, I'm just going off
hazy memory, hazy memory, twenty eight points, twenty four rebounds,
something like that. Can you check the box score nineteen
(31:26):
seventy Game seven against the Knicks, Buehler Buehler, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
He had twenty one points in twenty four rebounds.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Okay, it's still pretty good Game seven, but you would
have thought he was a bum because Willis Reid hit
two jumpers, yes, Martin.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain played all forty eight minutes.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, how did we get here?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Will Oh Wilt Chamberlain? And then I started something with
you still forgive me?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Okay my fault? Yeah, because then all of a sudden
this sends you know, our listeners into a tizzy. And
then all of a sudden it becomes let's talk about
Michael Jordan and Lebron. You know, I would put if
we're looking at careers, I would put Lebron up there
with Kareem the whole career, whole career. But if you
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said I had one game to win, I would want Mike. Now.
I don't know if that solves anything. I don't know
if it does, but I can't disavow the knowledge of
looking at Lebron's career from start to finish, living up
to the hype, and Kareem living up to the hype.
(32:44):
He lost what one or two games in high school,
two games in college, won three national titles, would have
won four, he wasn't eligible, and then he wins what
six titles? Five titles in the NBA, six titles, I
mean start to finish, and he was the all time
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leading scorer there for a while. Lebron okay didn't win enough,
all right, or whatever the knock is. But I think
when you're looking at these career longevity matters, Lebron's been durable, consistent.
(33:28):
He's still probably close to one of the top ten
players in the league at his age. So once again,
I don't want to get sidetracked into that, but I think,
and I it's not that I struggle with it, but
I do contemplate it a lot because I saw what
Mike did in person, and I you know, you'll never
(33:48):
erase that from my mind of or diminish it in
any way. He did it. Now. Granted, did John Paxson
and Steve Kerr hit big shots, Yes, Mike got him
to the point where, hey, you're gonna double me, you're
gonna be open, make the shot. Mike's the reason why
(34:09):
he got to the finals where those guys could have
taken those shots. Don't make any mistake about that. I
watched it, got to see it, spoke to him after
it was real. It's not one of those man, I think,
you know, I remember listening on the radio or reading
in the newspaper about this guy. I was like, Nope,
guy did that right in front of everybody?
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Yes, Mark, Yeah, for me, always there's mythological figures like Will,
but there's mythological figures that are I'm trying to see
how how can word this? It's Ruth, Muhammad, Ali, Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
But with Mike it was a mythological figure who was
right in front of you. Where's babe, Ruth? It was
you'd read about him or listen on the radio. You
weren't seeing him unless you went in person. So you
would just hear about this and Mike was writing in
front of you, but it didn't seem real.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yes, Mark, I'm gonna add one more guy.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Bo Jackson, I know he didn't play long, but that
makes the myth even greater.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I think the further away from his career, we get
the bigger mythological figure he is. I mean, he didn't
we come up with this about who had more rushing
yards in the NFL, Bo Jackson or Jim Harball. I
think it's even, and I think Jim Harball had more
(35:31):
rushing yards than Bo Jackson. We should check that. Let
me take a break here. Dang, we got sidetracked here.
How about that Cooper flag or something like that? All right,
we'll get to more phone calls here, eight seven seven
to three DP show. We're back after this.
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Wapp Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Play of the day. This is the play of the day.
Check this out and Ramirez swings and lines up to
the base hit ball game. Jose Ramirez lyce has one
down the left field line, scoring and Elgartinez with a
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Ramirez has collected three hundred and eighty five hits since
his last walkoff hit May twenty eight to twenty twenty three.
That's the most base hits of any player in baseball
without a walkoff hit over that span. Who would come
(36:44):
up with that stat or think? You know once, when's
the last time he had a walkoff hit? Oh, it
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free shipping. Did we settle on a poll question and
if so, Dylan in for seating today? What are the
results so far?
Speaker 7 (37:25):
We did?
Speaker 10 (37:25):
Then, so the question was Cooper Flag's NBA career will
exceed expectations, meet expectations, fall slightly short, or not come close?
Speaker 7 (37:35):
Fifty two percent say they'll meet expectations.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Okay, and I mentioned what the numbers are over under
it's kind of sixteen and a half and six rebounds
per game for him, which people will probably be disappointed
in those numbers. I think the expectation is probably closer
to eighteen or nineteen. But he's young, and he's going
to a veteran team and they'll easy men. Yeah. I
(38:02):
don't know how many plays they're running for him. I
don't know how the offense will work. It might be
you kind of work yourself into the offense instead of
the offense is going to work around him. Those days,
it feels like are gone when you had that number
one pick and you're like, we're running everything for you.
He's eighteen. Not going to do that. Yes, Marvin, they.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Might treat him like a Sean Marion type. He cuts
to the basket, get some easy baskets, finish at the
rim because you don't have to create anything because you
have Kyrie Klay Thompson and Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, yeah, I think. I mean, look, I'm going to
assume they know what they're doing. Jay Kidd will put
him in the right position there, and I think it's good.
It's a great situation to go too. We talk about
it all the time, especially with quarterbacks. Hey, this team
has the number one pick. They weren't any good. Go
in and save them. I don't care how good you are.
(38:53):
You're not saving Tim and Syracuse, Hi Tim, what's on
your mind?
Speaker 12 (39:00):
Good morning, gentlemen. This is the first time from Syracuse,
New York. Jim Beaheim should get his wins back and
Carmelo should have been the second pick in the draft.
Regarding the players currently getting drafted in the gold chain,
what I thought would be show all thirty two gold
chains hanging in the back room the commissioner announces them
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and they put that gold chain in with pride and
they head out there and they meet the commissioner and
they got that gold chain and then then they get
traded and then they switch gold chains and then you
can watch that.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Dan.
Speaker 12 (39:37):
So I appreciate your show, guys, and thanks a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
All right, thank you. Jim got a couple of things
in there, Jim Beheim. Get those victories back. And yeah,
we're bothered by the hat that just rest on the
top of your head because you're eighteen. If you got hair,
you're going to show it. And those guys last night,
you know, I like the creativity, attention to detail with
(40:04):
these kids, and they are kids. Eighteen nineteen. Ace Bailey
opened up his jacket. It was all like Rutgers stuff
in there, and I'm thinking, you know, given the season
you guys had, I'd try to move on from that.
I don't know if I'd remind somebody of where I went.
And we didn't make the tournament. You barely made the
(40:25):
Big Ten tournament. And you got two guys drafted in
the top five. Dang duke, two players drafted in the
top five. Oh boy, all right, Nick and Milwaukee Hi, Nick,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Hey Dan, first time long time.
Speaker 13 (40:46):
Six foot an athletic to sixty Okay, you're talking about
kind of mythical crazy athletes.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I think the.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Brewers have one year. And I got a stat of
the day for Jacob Mizerowski's third start. Okay, he's the
three to all record and a one point three ERA.
He's only allowed three hits. This is the fewest by
any major league player since nineteen oh one.
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all of that forthcoming Day two of the Draft coming
up later on tonight. Last night, a couple of surprises,
but really this is kind of the let's reintroduce or
maybe introduce you to some of the players who might
be playing some minutes in the NBA next season. I'm
going to throw out a couple of names and then
(01:07):
you tell me if you can guess where I'm going
and maybe even recognize them if I said Bub Carrington
or I said Jalen Wells, Eve's Missy, where are we gone?
I'm talking about NBA players who were rookies last year.
(01:30):
Bub Carrington played the most minutes of any rookie last year.
He was drafted fourteenth by the Wizards. Jalen Wells second
most minutes. He was drafted thirty ninth by the Grizzlies.
Eves Missy, who played for the Pelicans, drafted twenty first.
He was fourth on the list. Stefan Castle third on
(01:53):
the list. He was drafted fourth overall by the Spurs.
So what am I getting at? You can be drafted high,
you can be drafted in the lottery. That doesn't mean
you're going to have those kind of minutes. I think
we feel like, you know, the old days, when you're
drafted in the first ten picks, fifteen picks, you're playing
right away. Reed Shepherd did not play for the Rockets
(02:18):
last year, and I played five hundred minutes, but he
was a G League player. He was the third pick overall.
You're drafting players and it's almost like you're drafting them,
they're going to be on your roster. But it's not
like it's sort of like baseball where they draft and
then you disappear for a couple of years and then
(02:38):
you come back. You know, you go to the minor leagues.
These players are kind of there or maybe in the
G League and then they might contribute. Now, do I
think Dylan Harper is going to play significant minutes for
the Spurs? Yes? Is Cooper Flagg going to play significant
minutes for the Dallas Mavericks? I do Ace Bailey in
Utah vj Edgecomb. I don't know how much he's going
(03:01):
to play for the seventy six ers. They already have
their guards there. So you're trying to figure this out
of Okay, you drafted a guy, what's that mean for
our team right away? How many of these guys will
have a true impact? And you're going to have some
projects here and you might have a guy who plays
for a team who then gets traded and then becomes
(03:24):
something in two or three or four years. Because you're
drafting eighteen year olds, nineteen year olds in college baseball,
they're at least twenty two to twenty three, so it's
different but it'd be like taking an eighteen year old
high school phenom in baseball. You're not going to the majors,
(03:44):
he's going to the miners. Well, you're gonna get guys
who are going to play sparingly with a lot of
these first round picks, if they even make the team.
If I said to Monte Kamara, he leed in minutes
the previous year for the Portland Trailblazers Kyante George. He
(04:07):
had the second most minutes in the previous draft. He
was sixth sixteenth overall. So there's no sure things. I mean,
do I expect Ace Bailey to be a good player,
I guess, But the situation you're in really dictates how
quickly you become successful. If you go to a bad roster,
(04:28):
a bad organization, it's already an uphill battle you're going in.
You're going to be a rookie, you're just trying to survive.
Now you're on a team with a bunch of knuckleheads,
and you've got to you know, the history is systemic
of how bad you are, and there's a reason why
those organizations stay bad. They're not relevant. Danny Ainge didn't
(04:51):
care that, as Bailey didn't want to go to Utah.
Danny Inge said, all right, we'll take you. You don't
want to go to Philly or Charlotte. He didn't want
to go to Utah. He wanted to go to Brooklyn,
and he wanted to go to Washington because he wants
to be a star right away. I want my shots.
I want to play right away. If I go to
Charlotte and LaMelo ball is going to be dominating, you know,
(05:15):
he's ball dominant there. Doesn't want to go to the Sixers. Okay,
they're kind of a mess. Didn't want to go to Utah,
and Danny ag said that's all right, but I'm still
going to take you. And got a lot of talent.
But I don't know if I don't know if this
strategy worked that he didn't want to work out for
certain teams, didn't want to go to Charlotte, didn't want
(05:36):
to go to the seventy six ers. He's he's too
talented to have dropped too far. And I think he
was hoping that he was going to drop maybe a
couple more picks, at least one more pick. He wanted
to go to the Pelicans. So this strategy didn't work.
You ended up in Utah, but Dallas did well obviously
(05:57):
getting Cooper Flag. Who can now now ease in two
minutes if you played for another organization, You're like, all right,
we're coming out to see Cooper Flag. Well, you're gonna
go out and see the Mavericks with Cooper Flag. There's
a big difference, and we're gonna go see Cooper Flag
and the nets, and I think the expectation level will
be very beneficial. Carmelo Anthony, former number one overall pick now,
(06:22):
an analyst for NBC with their NBA coverage, had this
to say about Cooper Flag.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
To me, he doesn't do anything great. He just do
a lot of very good. You know what I'm saying.
He offensive rebound very good. He in the passing lanes
very good. He's a weak side defender, very good on
ball defender.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
He got a lot better.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I want to see him against you.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I want to see him against Kad, I want to
see him against Luca. I want to see him against
ann Elwids, because you coming in as that guy.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
If he gotta develop the right way, he got to
get a skill set.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You can't be in the pros and don't have a
skill set, So you'll have to have a skill set.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Skill set, it have.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
To be something a wonderful full of like something floater like.
You have to have something that's your go to right now,
he don't have a go to.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's Carmelo on Podcast P with Paul George discussing Cooper Flag.
You know, I disagree with them of you know, what's
his bag. You can be a really good all around player.
There's value in that. They're looking at this from an
offensive perspective, so it's a myopic view of he's got
(07:30):
to have a signature move. Well, he's eighteen, and I
think his signature move is he doesn't have a signature move.
He's got a variety of things. He's not going to
be one dimensional. And look, Carmelo was incredible, but he
didn't really have much of a move. It was just
that jab step. But he was gonna nail it. He's
going to kill you mid range. But Carmelo was not
(07:53):
the all around player that Cooper Flag is. So there's
a difference in that. It's the value in that. But
Cooper Flag as an opportunity to learn. He can learn
from Kyrie, he can learn from Ad, he can learn
from Jason Kidd, if Jason Kidd still wants to be
the coach, feels like that didn't go away yet. There
(08:13):
was a report yesterday that either the Knicks and Jason
Kidd are still holding out hope. But Nico Harrison, by
the way, you can't write a script for Nico Harrison
where you go, hey, listen to this pitch, Hollywood. This
guy he's got a trade, a franchise player, death threats,
(08:36):
he can't even go to games or they bow him.
And you know, the team had all kinds of injuries.
You kind of limped literally into the playoffs, and then
all of a sudden, long odds, you win the lottery
and then you get Cooper Flag.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
That's what happened.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
So I guess the Mavericks had a good year. Would
you say, all the backlash you had, all the injuries,
Kyrie's going to be out for half the year, probably
you get a d and you got bailed out, the
ultimate bailout, probably an NBA history where it's like, oh
(09:16):
my god, what did we do? Now we still do
it again. He didn't play any defense, and then you
end up with Cooper Flag. But watching last night, you know,
it's fun to see some of these names that you
saw kind of a you know, six months there were
eighteen freshmen drafted. This really was an introduction to rookie class.
(09:39):
One oh one last night and this DJ Edgecombe. I
watched him. I really liked him at Baylor. I don't
know what he's going to do in the NBA. I
don't know what any of the you know, kN Knipple,
I don't know. I mean at Duke, all right, you
can look a like a top five pick. I guess it.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Duke.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
He's a really good shooter, but he is a you know,
stand still shooter. I don't know how much he's creating.
You're gonna play in Charlotte, which good luck, Good Charlotte.
Me he got some minutes. Probably I'm gonna Gas. So
I don't you know you're trying to figure any of
(10:22):
this stuff out. Good luck, because you're dealing mostly with
freshman Dylan Harper. Not a great shooter, but he can
handle the ball. Well. San Antonio's got the Rookie of
the Year stuff on Castle and dearon Fox. I'm gonna
guess somebody is probably headed out of town. Could san
Antonio who missed out on and I don't have any
(10:43):
information on this. This is just me watching the TV
last night in between getting yelled at by steven A. Smith.
Not directly, it just felt like it was like, I
got to turn down. Can you have a volume when
steven A is on that I could just turn it
down just a little bit and then it's kind of
(11:03):
an auto adjust there. You know it's Stephen A. Smith.
Don't they have the SSAP or whatever? That is just
this will be the essays, Yeah, the essays where it's like,
because he started yelling and I'm like, who is he?
Why are we yelling? And I think at one point
somebody said this, Bob Myers might have said, hey, this
(11:25):
is supposed to be a good night, a positive night.
I am positive. Slow down, just slow down. It's okay.
I don't know who came up with that idea of
the louder you yell, the more often you're gonna win
your argument. Casparis jocket Tunis can't play. I don't even
(11:47):
know where I was before I get a lot of
eighteen year olds drafted. Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
The worst thing you could be in basketball, A graduating
senior for your senior.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Well, okay, Danny Wolf played at Yale and then went
to Michigan. Now, Marvin loved Danny Wolf, love his game,
big fan, But I don't know if he was a senior.
He was a junior at Michigan. Okay, I don't know
if there was a senior taken last night. I'm gonna guess.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
That's the worst thing to be is a US born
senior going into the draft. If your senior year, it's like, hey,
maybe second round, late second round. Yes.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
The only thing worse would be a fifth year senior
the Armando Baycott syndrome, as we like to call it here,
played five years at North Carolina, just played great basketball
and couldn't get in.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
No, I misspoke with Mellow, Mellow's third overall pick, not
number one.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Pick, reminding Detroit fans about that.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yes, that's true. Yeah, and should have left that out. Yes, uh,
all right, So playday is coming up. Thank you for
setting me straight on that with carmelon. All right, So
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Nets had five first round picks. Speaking of Danny Wolf,
(13:14):
I don't know if he was happy to go there
or maybe got happier that his name was called. But
he was just kind of sitting there and then all
of a sudden they called his name, but Brooklyn Nets
They drafted four guards, three point guards, and they drafted
Danny Wolf, who was a point center.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
He was crying Wolf.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Oh wow, I go dang, that's fine. We'll take a break.
Dylan's job is to come up with poll questions. Today
he'll do the honors. And Seaton is not with us,
and we have an issue that happens every draft, certainly
with the NBA. We want to bring it to yours.
(14:00):
I don't know if it's fixable. I do have what
I think is a possible solution to it, but we'll
have that for you coming up. We're back after this
Dan Patrick show.
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Speaker 1 (14:48):
He's still moving.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
It's an ongoing problem that I first witnessed in person,
where one player gets traded. He's already got his hat on,
he's already had his moment with the commissioner, and then
all of a sudden, he's got to act excited because
now he's going to another team. I was there when
Scottie Pippen and Olden Polonies were traded for one another.
(15:12):
They were a couple of rows from each other, and
we were interviewing them at the draft, and then all
of a sudden, you hear and Seattle and Chicago have
a trade. Scottie Pippen is going to go to the Bulls,
Olden Polonies is going to the Seattle Super. So they
just traded hats. Well, the problem is if you go
(15:33):
in and you got a lot of hair, the hat
doesn't look very good. I'm watching Walter Clayton Junior, the
third Florida great. He got drafted. He put his hat on,
but you know, a strong wind, somebody opens the door
and it's going to fly off. Visor. Visor is my
(15:53):
suggestion here? Really? Team visors? Yes, yeah, it's all about
more marketing. That's why they put the hat on you
right away, Like, oh and you can get this hat
right now. I think we go with visors. Now, I'm
not a visor guy, but if you're looking for product
placement that might look a little cooler. That would be
(16:14):
what I would go with instead of just a let's
just have this rest on top of your noggin here, yes.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
B yeah, I'm looking at the videos now. There's a
number of players who have kind of big hair and
that the hat's just kind of resting there. It could
get blown off. What about a little dais where you
got a visor, a hat and maybe like a soccer scarf,
all on those team and they pick which one they
want to walk out with the commissioner with.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, Fritzie said, a sash maybe, or maybe a chain.
Now a lot of them had chains on last night,
but you know, maybe you have one and you know
com Kin nipple comes out with a Charlotte Hornet's chain
around its neck.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yes, Marmon, Yeah, I think it just looks clearer that way,
like it's not bothering me as much as others, but
it's still kind.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Of ah, but this is all about marketing.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Then the chain, Yeah, it looks cooler. It just looks cooler. Hey,
put the chain on, and then you just have this
hat on, all this hair on Visor.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yes, let the hair be seen. I could still get
the logo in there, and I go with a Visor.
You don't think out the kids are not going to
go Visor.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Now we're playing this game of in and out.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Okay, you're in or out on Visor? Anybody in on
visors for draft picks? Dylan No, Dylan is big Visor guys. Okay, yikes.
Speaker 10 (17:36):
Only downside is if the top of your head is
a little thinner, you're exposed. Other than that, though, it's
the perfect piece of it.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I don't think a lot of guys are going bald
at the draft just because you are. I mean, Alex
Caruso might be, but you know that's I don't think
most of these guys came in with the you know,
some pretty good Moss there.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Yeah, Paul, going back to the mid round draft thing,
like Derek Queen of Maryland was drafted last night by
the Atlanta Hawks. He walks up on stage one of
the great moments of his life. He puts on a
Hawks at, takes a picture, his family's taking pictures. He
got the Hawks hat on. Twelve minutes later, he is
a New Orleans Pelican. He can't go back and retake
the picture.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Is this fixable?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
No, because I'm going to guess the Pelicans said, hey,
if you get that guy, then we'll make this trade
with you. If you don't get the guy, then we're
not going to make the trade. If he's available, we
want you to take him, then we'll make this pick
ell or will make this trade.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Yes, Marvin, Yeah, because it's usually a draft him for us. Yes,
so if you're the Hawks or the Wizards or whoever
a drafting force, and then afterwards we'll trade. But yes,
going back on and watching Scottie Pippen where the Sonics
hat or Chris webberwear the Magic hat. Yes, it looks
a little awkward because they never played for those teams.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
But when he's announced, could you then have the guy
that maybe he's traded for walk up and then you
could have the exchange up there, and then he could
re hug the commissioner.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
The hat handoff.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, it's like a baton. And then like Eli Manning
when he got drafted by the Chargers and he looks miserable,
but he knows he's not going to stay with the
Chargers and he is going to go to the Giant.
So it's like old enough that you're okay, this is great.
(19:27):
This is the moment I thought of all my life,
the Giants and Chargers have a trade, and then all
of a sudden you see Eli smile. Yes, Todd, I.
Speaker 11 (19:35):
Know, marketing wise, a cap would coast I guess a
bit more than a headband. But since there's a lot
of headbands in college and the pros, can you do
a headband with a nice big logo for those that
have the hair where it looks like it's just resting
up on your head where it looks ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I'm I'm open for business with that. Absolutely.
Speaker 11 (19:51):
You're talking about a fIF forty fifty dollars hat versus
what could be like a ten to fifteen dollars headband,
So you're losing some money there, but it just looks better.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Well, I don't think, I mean once again, you just
want him to go to your kind of your catalog there.
Hey they got head bench there? Ah? What else they have? Then?
They have a hat there? Hey they got a sash here? Hey,
you can get a chain a necklace here?
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Yes, yes, Dylan, they have you seen those giant hats too?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Right?
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Those are popular?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Why don't they do those? Those are kind of stupid? Exactly, Yeah, but.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Walter Clayton Junior last night, it would have fit perfectly.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, you know those are kind of corny. What's the
poll question today, Dylan?
Speaker 10 (20:32):
All right, Dan, this is from Todd Oh. Cooper Flag's
NBA career will exceed expectations, meet expectations, fall slightly short
of what we thought, or not come close to matching
all the hype.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Well, I don't know what. I don't know what the
expectations are. But I'm glad you asked because DraftKings just
sent me some information. Cooper Flag rookie season prompt Bath,
how many points it's the over under Cooper Flag rookie year. Paul,
(21:06):
I'm gonna start with you. Fifteen point eight, God, seventeen
point six, Dylan fourteen nine, Marvin thirteen eight, sixteen and
a half, sixteen and a half. How about rebounds per
game for Cooper Flag Marvin.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Seven point eight, Paul five point nine, God.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Six point one, bloop bloop exactly. Yeah you did it, Yeah,
you did it. Cooper Flags. Odds to win the MVP,
I got those two. Uh, it's Joker and SGA are
the two favorites. Then it's Giannis, it's Luca Anthony Edwards.
(21:55):
The Joker is plus two hundred, SGA is plus two fifty.
Cooper Flag to win the the MVP is plus fifty thousand.
So Dylan, you're part of the gambling podcast and you
usually do stupid things. Dylan comes in today and he goes,
you know, there are a lot of people who are
betting on Dylan Harper going number one overall.
Speaker 10 (22:14):
I go, why, Well, I think people were banking on
the mavericks ineptitude to do the completely wrong thing. And
I think it was like plus fifteen thousand for Cohen Arpert,
So one hundred bucks were only fifteen grand.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Okay, they made one move that they regretted, or maybe
they don't regret, but that doesn't mean they're going to
be making a bunch of stupid moves just because you
made one move and you traded Luca. Now granted they
got bailed out, but you trade Luca and they were
(22:49):
adamant that they just didn't think he was going to
be in shape and playing defense. And this regime thinks
she got to play defense. Okay, I get it, but
that doesn't mean you're gonna go hmm. You know, in
second thought, maybe we should take Dylan Hartper instead of
this Cooper flag kid. You didn't bet this, did you?
Speaker 7 (23:08):
No, I believe it or not. I stayed away from that.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Oh because you normally you'll go to parlays or long shots.
I like to sprinkle on some of the stupider things
gambling podcasts later on today, Dan Patrick dot Com, Shane Irving,
bad Larian, Dylan. Yes, Paul, I just did a quick check.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
I have only two players in history who won Rookie
of the Year in MVP in the same season two
all times.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
One One is west n So that's right.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Nineteen fifty nine, I'm sorry, nineteen sixty nine. Seventy. Wow,
that's wild Baltimore. He average shot that's fourteen points eighteen rebounds,
MVP and Rookie of the Year. And there's one more
about a decade earlier.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Decade earlier. Yes, I'll say Wilt Chamberlaine, that's correct.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
As a rookie, Wilt Chamberlain at age one three average
thirty eight points and twenty seven rebounds per game.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Oh yeah. Stab of the Day brought to you by
Panini America, the official trading cards to the Dan Patrick Show.
Wilt's numbers are crazy. You averaged thirty eight points. But
we it's like we disavow any knowledge of those. It
gets uh, you know Ripley's believe it or not, Like
(24:28):
I don't know, did anybody see that he dominated? Oh?
I know, he's playing against plumbers and electricians. So was
everybody else playing against plumber Nobody else was putting up
thirty eight to twenty four? Oh yeah, but you know,
how did he do against Bill Russell? I think Wild
had fifty five rebounds in a game against the Boston Celtics.
(24:54):
Isn't that every rebound he had? Every rebound against Bill Russell?
Oh gosh, yes.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
I think you nailed it on Wilt. It's like he's
a mythological figure, not a basketball player. His numbers are
so much better than anybody else's that if you went
by numbers, he's by far the best player in NBA history.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, but we allow this with Babe Ruth.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yes, but they magine if Babe kept pitching.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, but he had more home runs than entire teams
in certain years, So there is a mythological field to
Babe Ruth. I just I don't think we're fair to
Wilt Chamberlain, and you rarely are with the big guy.
You know, nobody likes the big guy. But it's not
(25:40):
his fault. I mean, he just played against whoever he
was supposed to play against, and Babe is playing against whoever.
No integration back then, No, was he different than everybody else, Yes,
but it just feels like, oh, Babe Ruth, he had
more home runs than teams did Wilt, who's he playing?
(26:01):
Will didn't cheat, like he didn't do anything that was illegal. Yes, marm,
but with.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
The NBA, we've talked about this before. Championships are what
really matters, and when your rival wins all the championships
you only win two, that hurts your case. Like with
Baby Ruth, I don't know how many World Series he
has because it's not that important when you're talking about
the greatest players ever in that sport. But in basketball championships,
because we know Bill Russell has eleven championships.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
If Will had six championships top three at least, would
we now look at him differently? That would he be
a top three, top two basketball player of all time
just by winning four more titles with all the stats
that he had. Yes, why isn't Bill Russell the greatest
(26:51):
player of all time?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
But people hold him in higher regard than Wild Chamberlain.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I think, well, I'm just saying Michael Jordan won six.
Isn't all about winning championships? Or is Michael did it
in a stylistic way that was you know, we were
able to watch it, whereas Bill Russell, You're like Ahegs McMahon,
you know who were there playing against? You know, Okay,
(27:20):
but he did win eleven, which is five more than Mike.
I just think that, you you know, we bring Russell
into the conversation because he won eleven titles. How many
championships did John Hablchek win? He went six, I think eight,
and he scored twenty six thousand points. He's not in
(27:43):
the conversation, He's not even in the top fifteen players
of all time. He had eight titles eight and thirteen
years and he scored twenty six thousand points. I think, yes, Marvin, but.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
I think with Mike Jordan, it might be the dominance
of one singular player. Where As soon as he got
on the floor, especially when he started winning championships, you
knew they were going to win because of that one
guy Russell Celtics, all that entire team had Hall of
famers on it.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
If but Mike wasn't winning a title until he got
players to help him win a title. He did, you know,
his rookie first couple of years, he was just leading
the league in scoring. Now, granted, what he did against
the Celtics in the Garden that afternoon, I mean, that's incredible,
(28:36):
But he didn't win until he got Scottie and Dennis
and Kup coach and Horace Grant, and you know, he
had to have players. They all have to have players.
Nobody's winning a title, you know as a individual. So
Mike was incredible, but Mike needed players. Now, granted, Will
(28:56):
had some really good rosters. It was just Boston just
a better coach team. Yes' So who do you have
as the greatest player ever? I think the Kareem. If
I look at the whole career, I would put Kareem.
I think he's the most dominating player I ever saw,
and he did it in an elegant way, an effortless way.
(29:19):
If I look at high school, college and the pros,
I probably say him. But it's tricky, you know, it's
once once again, it's it's in the open to interpretation,
the eye of the beholder. In a modern era, Oh,
what's what's Kareem going to be?
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I have no idea, you know, Michael, in the modern era,
I have no idea. I mean, I have an idea.
What's Wilt like today? And you know people make these arguments,
but you were in your era. What did you do
in your era? That's the only thing I can go.
How much better were you than everybody else in your era?
(29:59):
Wilts toistically was it was so much better than everybody
When you average fifty a game for a season, I
have to acknowledge it some way. But when Babe Ruth
had sixty home runs, we're like, yeah, the babe he
had sixty, you know, like, Okay, what's different?
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yes, Ma, but even back then, writers didn't show well
respect like that because when he averaged fifty, he didn't
win the league MVP.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I know Oscar averaged a triple double. He averaged fifty.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Oh ridiculous. That sounds to say that out loud, fifty
a game.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
But if you have more.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Championship yeah, yeah, and yes he in the biggest moments,
he came up small. He did, although he had a
pretty statistically if you go back when they lost to
the Knicks in nineteen seventy, check wiltson numbers in that
championship game. So Willis Reid hits two jumpers and that's it.
(31:04):
He scores four points. They end up winning. I think
one thirteen to ninety nine, and I think Wilt may
have had like twenty eight, twenty four something like that.
I think I think, once again, I'm just going off
hazy memory, hazy memory, twenty eight points, twenty four rebounds,
something like that. Can you check the box score nineteen
(31:26):
seventy Game seven against the Knicks, Buehler Buehler, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
He had twenty one points in twenty four rebounds.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Okay, it's still pretty good Game seven, but you would
have thought he was a bum because Willis Reid hit
two jumpers, yes, Martin.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain played all forty eight minutes.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, how did we get here?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Will Oh Wilt Chamberlain? And then I started something with
you still forgive me?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Okay my fault? Yeah, because then all of a sudden
this sends you know, our listeners into a tizzy. And
then all of a sudden it becomes let's talk about
Michael Jordan and Lebron. You know, I would put if
we're looking at careers, I would put Lebron up there
with Kareem the whole career, whole career. But if you
(32:23):
said I had one game to win, I would want Mike. Now.
I don't know if that solves anything. I don't know
if it does, but I can't disavow the knowledge of
looking at Lebron's career from start to finish, living up
to the hype, and Kareem living up to the hype.
(32:44):
He lost what one or two games in high school,
two games in college, won three national titles, would have
won four, he wasn't eligible, and then he wins what
six titles? Five titles in the NBA, six titles, I
mean start to finish, and he was the all time
(33:07):
leading scorer there for a while. Lebron okay didn't win enough,
all right, or whatever the knock is. But I think
when you're looking at these career longevity matters, Lebron's been durable, consistent.
(33:28):
He's still probably close to one of the top ten
players in the league at his age. So once again,
I don't want to get sidetracked into that, but I think,
and I it's not that I struggle with it, but
I do contemplate it a lot because I saw what
Mike did in person, and I you know, you'll never
(33:48):
erase that from my mind of or diminish it in
any way. He did it. Now. Granted, did John Paxson
and Steve Kerr hit big shots, Yes, Mike got him
to the point where, hey, you're gonna double me, you're
gonna be open, make the shot. Mike's the reason why
(34:09):
he got to the finals where those guys could have
taken those shots. Don't make any mistake about that. I
watched it, got to see it, spoke to him after
it was real. It's not one of those man, I think,
you know, I remember listening on the radio or reading
in the newspaper about this guy. I was like, Nope,
guy did that right in front of everybody?
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Yes, Mark, Yeah, for me, always there's mythological figures like Will,
but there's mythological figures that are I'm trying to see
how how can word this? It's Ruth, Muhammad, Ali, Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
But with Mike it was a mythological figure who was
right in front of you. Where's babe, Ruth? It was
you'd read about him or listen on the radio. You
weren't seeing him unless you went in person. So you
would just hear about this and Mike was writing in
front of you, but it didn't seem real.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yes, Mark, I'm gonna add one more guy.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Bo Jackson, I know he didn't play long, but that
makes the myth even greater.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I think the further away from his career, we get
the bigger mythological figure he is. I mean, he didn't
we come up with this about who had more rushing
yards in the NFL, Bo Jackson or Jim Harball. I
think it's even, and I think Jim Harball had more
(35:31):
rushing yards than Bo Jackson. We should check that. Let
me take a break here. Dang, we got sidetracked here.
How about that Cooper flag or something like that? All right,
we'll get to more phone calls here, eight seven seven
to three DP show. We're back after this.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
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Wapp Oh my God.
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Play of the day. This is the play of the day.
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(36:23):
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Ramirez has collected three hundred and eighty five hits since
his last walkoff hit May twenty eight to twenty twenty three.
That's the most base hits of any player in baseball
without a walkoff hit over that span. Who would come
(36:44):
up with that stat or think? You know once, when's
the last time he had a walkoff hit? Oh, it
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if so, Dylan in for seating today? What are the
results so far?
Speaker 7 (37:25):
We did?
Speaker 10 (37:25):
Then, so the question was Cooper Flag's NBA career will
exceed expectations, meet expectations, fall slightly short, or not come close?
Speaker 7 (37:35):
Fifty two percent say they'll meet expectations.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Okay, and I mentioned what the numbers are over under
it's kind of sixteen and a half and six rebounds
per game for him, which people will probably be disappointed
in those numbers. I think the expectation is probably closer
to eighteen or nineteen. But he's young, and he's going
to a veteran team and they'll easy men. Yeah. I
(38:02):
don't know how many plays they're running for him. I
don't know how the offense will work. It might be
you kind of work yourself into the offense instead of
the offense is going to work around him. Those days,
it feels like are gone when you had that number
one pick and you're like, we're running everything for you.
He's eighteen. Not going to do that. Yes, Marvin, they.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Might treat him like a Sean Marion type. He cuts
to the basket, get some easy baskets, finish at the
rim because you don't have to create anything because you
have Kyrie Klay Thompson and Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, yeah, I think. I mean, look, I'm going to
assume they know what they're doing. Jay Kidd will put
him in the right position there, and I think it's good.
It's a great situation to go too. We talk about
it all the time, especially with quarterbacks. Hey, this team
has the number one pick. They weren't any good. Go
in and save them. I don't care how good you are.
(38:53):
You're not saving Tim and Syracuse, Hi Tim, what's on
your mind?
Speaker 12 (39:00):
Good morning, gentlemen. This is the first time from Syracuse,
New York. Jim Beaheim should get his wins back and
Carmelo should have been the second pick in the draft.
Regarding the players currently getting drafted in the gold chain,
what I thought would be show all thirty two gold
chains hanging in the back room the commissioner announces them
(39:24):
and they put that gold chain in with pride and
they head out there and they meet the commissioner and
they got that gold chain and then then they get
traded and then they switch gold chains and then you
can watch that.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Dan.
Speaker 12 (39:37):
So I appreciate your show, guys, and thanks a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
All right, thank you. Jim got a couple of things
in there, Jim Beheim. Get those victories back. And yeah,
we're bothered by the hat that just rest on the
top of your head because you're eighteen. If you got hair,
you're going to show it. And those guys last night,
you know, I like the creativity, attention to detail with
(40:04):
these kids, and they are kids. Eighteen nineteen. Ace Bailey
opened up his jacket. It was all like Rutgers stuff
in there, and I'm thinking, you know, given the season
you guys had, I'd try to move on from that.
I don't know if I'd remind somebody of where I went.
And we didn't make the tournament. You barely made the
(40:25):
Big Ten tournament. And you got two guys drafted in
the top five. Dang duke, two players drafted in the
top five. Oh boy, all right, Nick and Milwaukee Hi, Nick,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Hey Dan, first time long time.
Speaker 13 (40:46):
Six foot an athletic to sixty Okay, you're talking about
kind of mythical crazy athletes.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I think the.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Brewers have one year. And I got a stat of
the day for Jacob Mizerowski's third start. Okay, he's the
three to all record and a one point three ERA.
He's only allowed three hits. This is the fewest by
any major league player since nineteen oh one.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
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