August 9, 2025 • 44 mins
Dan doesn’t really want to talk about the Dallas Cowboys, but Jerry Jones is talking out of both sides of his mouth again regarding his negotiations with Micah Parsons. The NFL buys a stake in ESPN and Dan considers the implications and possible conflict of interest. Dan focuses responds to ESPN’s Don Van Natta Jr., who said he was “embarrassed” for Dan for pointing out a potential conflict of interest between ESPN and the NFL. And former Saints quarterback Drew Brees talks to Dan about his playing days, if he wants a statue in New Orleans and whether he could beat Tom Brady in a race.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm trying to hold off on Michaeh. Parsons and Jerry Jones,
although it's getting a little more interesting. Jane Slater did
a really good job NFL Network Cowboys reporter talking to
Jerry Jones, and we were learning about a handshake deal
that he had with Micah Parsons. There's one problem with this,
and Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, he pointed this
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out a couple of days ago. Owners and players aren't
supposed to negotiate contracts. You are supposed to go through
an agent who is certified by the NFL Players Association. Well,
Jerry's been doing this for a long long time and
nobody called him on it. But now he's saying at
a handshake agreement with Michael Parsons and then all of
(00:48):
a sudden he doesn't have a handshake agreement. Here is
Jane Slater talking to Jerry Jones about how he does business.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
So how would you describe a deal getting so to speak, done,
and then walked away from.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I bought the Dallas Cowboys with a handshake. Took about
thirty seconds, and I gave the numbers shook hands. The
details we worked out later. As a matter of fact,
one of the details involved a lot of money and
we had to flip a.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Coin over that.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
But the fundamental I'm buying and you're going to sell
it to me for that range, that's done and those
are done with eye contact and handshake.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
So is there just so you understand why.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I the way that I communicate with people that I
negotiate with.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
So let's leave it at that.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
There is no question that in the case of a
player or contract, you have to have it in writing.
All parties do we have a contract in writing, yet
we're still talking about renegotiating it.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
So so much for that. Okay, once again, you have
to go through an agent.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I don't know what happened, you know, forty years ago
when he bought the Cowboys, when I don't know, did
you write it down on a napkin?
Speaker 6 (02:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Here's our number and there's your number, and that's not
an official deal. Just so you know, a handshake agreement
is not going to hold up. Maybe Michael Parsons said,
and I've been in negotiations before where you get somebody
who kind of.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Gives you the vagaries.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
You know, it's kind of gray area, like yeah, you know,
how about yeah, let me think about it.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
I'll get back to you.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
That doesn't mean now I can shake your hand when
I leave. That doesn't mean I'm shaking your hand in
agreeing to you. It's let me talk to people. I mean,
that's why you have an agent. Jerry doesn't like dealing
with agents. And then he didn't know Michael Parson's agent's name,
or it acted like he didn't a couple of weeks ago. Okay,
(02:56):
he does know who he is because he's negotiated a
contract with him with another remember of the Dallas Cowboys.
But Jerry handshake agreement, and Michah Parsons is kind of
renegging on that deal that you agreed to. I'd like
to hear Michael Parson's portion of this. But you know,
to Michah Parson's credit, he hasn't said much. He's just like, hey,
(03:18):
I'm trying to get this done, and we're not going
to get this done now you can trade me. That's
really all we've heard from him. I don't know what
the deal is. I know where they're probably going to land,
and it's probably going to be forty two million dollars
a year and is he going to be available week one?
Jerry didn't think so, and he said, yeah, this is urgent. Okay,
(03:43):
But James Slater asking him about doing his business and
how he does this business, Jerry did talk about Micah's contract, saga, well,
we did to become urgent.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
I' mean clearly you want him on the field for
against going to go. I'm urged that we need to
get some something resolved one way or another that he's
on the field against Hillage again.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Your definition of urgent is not necessarily I don't get
believe he gave a definition.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Imagine. Okay, so I'll stay urgent.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Any confidence that he will be on the field against again, No,
absolutely not. That has to a big part of that
is his decision. How would I know that. I'm just
saying no, but I'm.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Urgent, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I'm not sure he understood the question do you think
he's going to be there week one? And then he
said no. I don't know if he thought, hey, is
there any chance that he he won't be there? And
I thought that's where Jerry was answering no, but trying
to sort this out. I still think a deal gets done.
I don't think you're trading him. I haven't heard anybody
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say anything about anybody offering anything from Micah Parsons. Now,
if you have that, okay, now we can have a discussion.
It's like Trey Hendrickson with the Bengals or Terry mclauren. Now,
I've seen websites where they'll go potential landing spots for well,
Terry McLaurin. I've seen six teams, but that would just
because they need a wide receiver. I don't know if
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they've offered anything. Micah Parsons haven't heard anything proposed trades.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
What if the Bears.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Give two first round picks and a fourth round pick.
There's no reporting attached to this. And the same with
Trey Hendrickson. Has anybody made an offer to the Bengals,
because it doesn't sound like anybody has. Now, if somebody does,
now we can have a conversation that this is real,
that he could possibly go.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (05:48):
I love that, you know, like we spend a lot
of time talking about Jerry Jones is a brilliant businessman.
He's brilliant, He's a genius, so great at business. Obviously,
he's very successful at business. Yeah, he's a a genius
businessman like Jay. How about how'd you get through the
finer points of getting the Cowboys? We shook hands and
flipped a coin.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
That's wow.
Speaker 8 (06:10):
I had no idea that that's what goes into being
such a genius. We flipped a coin. I can do
both of those. I can shake your hand and I
can flip a coin.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Really, you did it. Don't think I could get the
Cowboys with that strategy?
Speaker 9 (06:25):
Yes, PAULI, I somewhat respect what Jerry Jones is saying that,
you know, a handshake deal can start a deal. And
if that handshake deal, though, was last March, things have changed.
Things have changed a lot with a defensive end position
that a handshake is no longer apt with with with uh.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Yeah Parsons.
Speaker 9 (06:42):
No, I'm saying not with Parsons, but with all the
other players who have signed. It changed the entire market.
So that handshake deal does not hold up what it
gives to the agent four months.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
But you should have signed him to the contract back
in March exactly. If you do that, now you're binded.
You're bound by that. Then then it's different. If I
shake your hand and say, hey, you know what we'll
get back. I like, you shook hands and you agreed
in principle to something. I got to get the paperwork
done then, because I know I got these other defensive
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players who are going to be signing for more money
right away. It's urgent, he said, he's urgent. Why didn't
you get the paperwork done?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (07:19):
See, well this is why he doesn't like agents, because
it's possible. Michael Parsons was like, man, that's a good deal,
let's sign And the agent said.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
What's the rush? Why don't we just let the season
play out? What's the rush?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
A general manager wouldn't allow this to happen. A GM
would have said, we'll drop the papers. We're ready to go,
We'll drop the papers.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Yes, right.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
Nobody likes middleman, but man, do they come in handy
sometimes with things like this.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
But you're required to deal with the agent. You're required
so you can't say, hey, we're kind of loose when
it comes to negotiating contract. But if I decide that
I'm going to cut you, then you know, do I
have to live up to the contract that we signed
or just a handshake agreement? Like you can't pick and choose.
(08:09):
But the NFL has allowed Jerry to do this for
decades now. He's the most powerful man in the NFL.
But a handshake agreement. I'd have to know more about
this from Michael Parson's perspective, but you know, it's just
the further along this goes, it just becomes like this abyss.
(08:31):
You go in and you're like, I don't know if
I'll get out anytime soon. And that's why I always
have trepidation when it comes to discussing this. Am I
humored by Jerry Jones? Sometimes? Yes I am, but not
a good way. It just he should speak less. He
should have his son speak maybe more. But you know,
(08:52):
when you give us these colloquialisms and you know, a handshake,
and that's the way we used to do it, and
that's the good old days, and that's that's not the
good old days now. Michael Parsons has an agent. Deal
with the agent. That's when you get something that's official.
That's when you're going to get something on paper, that's
gonna be something where you sign. That's when you have
(09:13):
something that is binding. Yes, tod, I can appreciate.
Speaker 10 (09:17):
What Jerry saying as far as eye contact and you know,
talking directly to one another. But why does it have
to be instead of an agent being present? Why can't
you have both things. We're gonna talk and we're gonna
look at each other, we're gonna be in the same room.
But I also want to have my attorney. I gotta
protect myself. My agent knows legal things in terms that
I'm not familiar with. That's why he pays him part
of his contract.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Jerry loves to do this, speaking to a former cowboy yesterday.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
He loves to be there and just talk to you.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
That's all.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
It's just you and me. We'll just talk and he
can convince you.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
To maybe take something that you shouldn't take, or less
than you should take, or well, we're gonna take now
the language that was given to me yesterday by a
form of a cowboy. He's like, Jerry will say, you know,
we'll worry about that later. You can't do that, not
with something like this. You're talking two hundred million dollars
with Michaeh. Parsons. Probably it can't be. Will take care
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of that a little later whenever.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
We need to.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Don't worry about that, No, no, no, we got to
worry about all those things. That's part of the problem
with the Cowboys' attention to detail. Maybe that's why you
haven't been back to the super Bowl in thirty years.
Preseason football ramps up coming up tomorrow. Shardor Sanders gets
the start for the Cleveland Browns. I think he's the
(10:38):
only quarterback who's healthy right now. He gets the start.
That'll be fun. ESPN is acquiring NFL Network, also Red Zone.
I go back eight years ago. The great writer Jim Miller,
who wrote the ESPN book, reported that ESPN was trying
to reestablish a positive relationship with the NFL. This is
(11:01):
eight years ago the network was gauging whether to abandon
the NFL. They were having a hard time being a
business partner, according.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
To Jim Miller. Now they're all in.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Everybody's all in on this, and I know, you know,
the journalist in me talks about or would talk about,
or would point out the conflict of interest. But ESPN
can't be any further in bed with the NFL when
it comes to their coverage. Are they going to look
the other way with whatever negative story that comes up?
Speaker 6 (11:41):
They've probably already done that.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I mean, go back to when I was there on
ESPN Radio and we were talking about Playmakers, which was
a fictional show and it was about the NFL. The
NFL called up and talked to my boss and said, hey,
take it off your network.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
And they did.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I don't know if anybody's going to hold the NFL
their feet to the fire. I mean, i'd liked I
hope that there's people. Mike Florio is one of the
few people who will challenge the NFL and everybody's in
bed with the NFL. All networks have partnerships here. As
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far as a conflict of interest, I think that's long gone.
I think there's certain things that you're just not going
to cover. I don't know how deep the ESPN went
in on the mess of the NFL Players Association.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
I know Florio did, A couple of people.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Did, but I don't know if you know that's we're
in the content business. That's what Jimmy Pataro, who runs ESPN,
they're in the content business. Outside the lines gone with
Bob Lee, Jeremy Shapp. I mean, you have a couple
of investigative reporters, like E sixty is a monthly magazine
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type feature. I'm talking about day to day looking at stories,
giving you both sides of the stories, and maybe you
don't care about it, you know, maybe you know, being
a dinosaur. I do because the NFL should be held
accountable for certain things. But the NFL, I'm sure does
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not want Hey, we own part of you ten percent. Well,
the NFL has probably owned a lot of ESPN for
a long period of time. It's just not official, that's all.
But you know, good for you know, the mother ship
getting that partnership. They've they've done a good job in establishing.
I think they get three more games. You know, they
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want to get a Super Bowl red zone. You're going
to get that with Scott Hansen. So I you know,
a lot of moving parts there. It's a big deal
and it's been in the works for it was on again,
off again, now on again for years. They've talked about
this because the owners were worried about NFL network and
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now now it's ESPN's problem. But there's a lot of
great people over there. They just gutted the place that
was the disappointing part of it. Now at a lot
of great football people. They streamlined it. So then they
were going to sell it, and I said, well, ESPN's
going to buy it now ESPN and their reporters, and
I don't know how you cross pollinate, but that that happened,
(14:34):
and it's a big, big, big deal for certainly ESPN
and NFL network.
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Speaker 2 (15:24):
I'm already seeing articles about, oh are the Brown setting
Shador Sanders up to fail as he opens up his
NFL career on Friday night against Carolina, And I was
trying to understand the logic behind this, because he hasn't
been taking reps as the first string quarterback. He's been
with second and third teamers. Well, now he's going to
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be there with the first teamers against Carolina. I don't
know how that sets him up to fail. Now you're
with more talented players, players that you might have on
your team when you're the starting quarterback at some point
during the NFL season. But we're already you know, it's
already shifting towards eh. What happens if you know he
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doesn't do well in the first game. I think they're
making him, not making him. They're having him start because
everybody else is injured. I don't know if that's setting
him up for failure. You need somebody to play quarterback.
I don't think Teddy Bridgewater is ready to play. It's
a great opportunity for Shirdo or Sanders. I hope he
does well and you get to play with the first
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team and maybe take some first team reps today and
get ready for Friday night's game against Carolina. But I
don't think he's being set up to fail. Not giving
him a chance to play would be setting him up
to fail. If he can play, hopefully he'll showcase that
coming up on Friday night, we'll explore some of the
other football matchups and battles going on in preseason. Our
(16:52):
good buddy, Ross Tucker will stop by eight seven to
seven three. DP Show email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter
hand The DP Show operator Tyler is sitting by. He'll
take your phone calls. By the way, we did talk
about the smelling salt. Is it a smelling salt gate
that we like to throw gate? We attach that to
(17:14):
a lot of different things. When there's a controversy. The
NFL is saying you can't use smelling salts on the sidelines.
You can bring your own, but they want to take
away the liability I believe of smelling salts, and they're
worried about what it does. If you've had a concussion
and somebody gives you a smelling salt and it might
wake you up to be able to go back out
there and play. But it's bring your own smelling salts
(17:37):
to the sidelines.
Speaker 10 (17:38):
Yes, ton, it didn't pass the smell test for the NFL.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Es four minutes in, I'll give you a bloop, Yes, PAULI.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
I didn't realize how many players used them over the
past twenty four hours. It's become a story. So now
every local reporter is asking players about it, like different players.
There's a player for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers it says
I use them before every single defensive drive. They're commonplace.
You just don't catch them on TV that much, but
they're very commonplace.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Weight lifters use these before a big lift. They'll take
a hit and then all of a sudden, it's like
and then you go. But I was wondering about this
that you know, are they readily available that you can
get smelling salts where?
Speaker 6 (18:19):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I guess you can order them, But are they worried
about kids using them?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
As it?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Is it going to trickle down to you know, Pop Warner.
I'm not sure, but it feels like the NFL is saying,
where you want to remove any liability here, If you
want to take it, you bring your own. Yes, Ston,
is this something we should be incorporating into the morning
routine around here?
Speaker 6 (18:44):
I told Dylan to see if he could order some.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Just I don't know if you guys have ever experienced
smelling salts.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Oh, yes, that's going to be the feeling, that's going
to be the.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Look, the sound of it, it is going to You know,
there's that Bows speaker commercial where the speakers are on
and the guy's hair is blown back and his face
is blown back, and sort of the feeling you get
when you do spelling salts. I remember doing them in
high school playing football, for my limited experience of freshman
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football in high school for the Mason Commets.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
But you would take a hit of that and it's
like whow yes, PAULI.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
A lot of people are speculating that the FDA caused this.
The FDA did a report just about a year ago
that said different types of these inhaling ammonia products can
lead to coughing, airway restriction, eye and those irritation and
long term effects on your breathing, seizure's, migraine, et cetera,
et cetera. And so the NFL just got this report
last year right before the season. Maybe that's what caused
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the trickle down the home.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Okay, yeah, it kind of came out of nowhere, But
having used it a couple of times, I didn't like it,
but it wasn't for a concussion. I think it was
just getting ready for contest with an Oklahoma drill that
we were going to do.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Playing high school of football. Oklahoma drill, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I love the Oklahoma drill where you're lying on your
back and then the other guys lying on your back
and they go and then you jump up and then
you run into each other.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
They called it the Oklahoma drill.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, that was the good old days. That's what That's
the way we used to do it, yes, Paul.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
So when you play grade school football and you stink
like I did, you'd be in line for the Oklahoma
drill and you'd look across and if you saw Richie
Alcott number fifty one, and you went back in line
a couple spots because you didn't not want to get
cooked by Richie.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You didn't want somebody wearing Dick Butkus's number.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Oh no, number fifty one.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
All right, we'll get to a poll question today. I
do want to mention there was a topic yesterday we
spent a lot of time, maybe too much time. It
talked about the NFL was buying ten percent of ESPN.
There's a merger between NFL network in ESPN, and the
point that I made and want to continue to make,
there is a conflict of interest. I think we can
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all agree to that now if you don't care about it,
and maybe you don't, but.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
For me, I worry about that.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
But you know, this is the old school in me
that you know with ESPN and having been there eighteen years,
and I mentioned that, you know, are they going to
have journalism? Are they going to cover the NFL? And
I didn't mention any names, but there was one person
at the mothership, Don ven Natta, who is a senior
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writer who's been on the show. I think last time
he was on five years ago to talk about deep
dive he did on the Decision with Lebron James, and
he's been on the show a couple of times. He's
a very good journalist. He took it personally when I
was saying, I don't know if they did a deep
dive on the NFL Players Association mess and once again,
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this is live radio and I'm saying I don't know,
So I'm not making a declarative statement. I'm just saying
I don't know. Well, Don van Nada took it personally
that I don't go to ESPN dot com and read
his articles. I don't go to ESPN dot com. Okay,
I don't if there's an article, the dan Nets will
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bring it to my attention. Hey, this is I did
it out of principle when I left ESPN, like I'm
going to put ESPN in my rear view mirror, and
I really it's not part of my morning or routine
of going there. So I missed that Don was doing
an expose on the NFL Players Association, and by all accounts,
did a great job. Now I did know that Mike
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Florio and Pablo Torre were doing things, and they added
to the story collusion story. They sent the stories to us.
We had them on, we had JC Treader on who
was second in command at the NFLPA. It's not a
story that you know we were staying away from. But
Don van down and Nata said that he was embarrassed
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for me because I didn't know that he is the
one who had the story initially. I don't know if
they promoted you correctly. Don, to be honest with you,
I don't know if you were on First Take. I
don't know if you're on NFL Live. I don't know
if you're on Get Up. I know that Pablo Torre
and Mike Flora, Mike Florio were there front and center
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promoting this and got a lot of attention here. So
I apologize for that that I didn't know that you
were the person the originator of this story there to
say you're embarrassed for me because I didn't see the article.
I said that out loud. I don't know if you
guys did a deep dive and I wasn't talking about you.
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You made it personal about me, and you know about
being a journalist, I said at the point, I didn't know.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
And also you know when.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You start, you started out that way, you miss what
the real point was is is is there a conflict
of interest? Like that's the discussion here, not I missed
that you did something on the and by the way,
it's not on the NFL. Your expose was on the
NFL Players Association. There's a big difference in that. So
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we've reached out to Don If he wants to join us, great.
You may not even care about this, but when you
say you're embarrassed for me, and then you know you
want to show me your resume, and I'll show you mine,
and you know we can have a private conversation here,
but if you call me out, you're embarrassed imagine if
you did this, you did your article live, because that's
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what I do every day. I write columns every single
day for three hours. And sometimes you make mistakes. And
you know by saying that there's not an investigative arm
inside ESPN, that's on me. I made a mistake. I
know where your office is, and you know it's been
scaled down greatly. I hope you continue to fight the
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good fight. Don I hope you and your staff fight
the good fight. But now is when you're judged. From
here on out, is when you're judged covering the NFL,
not what you did before. Have you liked me saying
I'm not any good at this? But man, was I
good at Sports Center? No one cares. It's about today
and tomorrow in the next day. Covering the NFL Player
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Association is a whole lot different than covering the NFL,
and you have to admit, which you didn't. It's a
conflict of interest. The perception is a conflict of interest,
and that was the point that I was trying to
make there. I wish you well, but if you want
to have a conversation on the show or privately, I'd
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love to. I have nothing against you. You're the one
that made it personal, all right, And thank you all
the people on social media who stood up for me
and sent me the article. And I got way too
many articles sent to me. Very happy. But I hope
to restore my journalistic credentials here this entire show. I
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got three hours to do it, and perhaps I'll do that.
But there's a reason why the commissioner of the NFL
has not been on this show for over a decade.
Because I ask good questions. I ask the right questions.
I ask questions that can be uncomfortable. We take pride
in what we do and how we do it. And
because I offhandedly said I'm wondering because I didn't read
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your expose, I'm going to renew my ESPN dot com
subscription polling.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
Nineteen ninety nine a year.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
I'm special. Is that what it is to get you?
A former employee?
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Right?
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Yeah? But this is another thing. I don't you know.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
They have analytics that say, hey, we're covering this and
this and this and this and this. Don is in
the buzzkill business. His job is to find the negative
side of things. I mean, he's trying to find the
CD under belly here and I don't know if get
up and first take and some of these other shows go, hey,
come on down, let's spend ten minutes talking about this.
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And you know, it's unfortunate, but I've been there.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
I was there for a long time.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
A lot of people who were great journalists no longer
work there, and you're alone in the corner there, don
And I hope that they add instead of subtracting there.
I think that's really important to cover the NFL, not
just the NFLPA.
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Speaker 6 (27:44):
He's Drew Brees, future Hall of Famer, Super Bowl MVP
winner and joining us on behalf of Jimmy Johns and
Drew Brees Number nine.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Look at all the posters back there, they're all pictures
of you.
Speaker 11 (28:00):
Well since since you since I'm not behind you. You know,
amongst some of the all time broadcasting grades, I see
Bob Costas, I see Al Michaels. You know, I figured
I had to kind of create my own setup back here.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Let's go back to your broadcasting career.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Looking back on it, No, but I'm I know you
want to do this, and you're a competitor and you
want to be great. What is it that maybe you
missed understanding or doing the first go round to be
your broadcasting career.
Speaker 11 (28:29):
Well, here's where I kind of chuckled, man, because I
get the perception. I get the feeling that the perception
is it somehow, you know, I failed at being a broadcaster.
I got two opportunities to broadcast NFL games, and they
were like eight weeks apart.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I did.
Speaker 11 (28:47):
I did one game in New Orleans for Thanksgiving, and
I did one playoff game. Otherwise I did. I broadcasted
Notre Dame football. But really, when I took that job
with NBC, the idea was to work with some of
the best people in the business. Mike Trico, Tony Jungee,
Rob Hyland, like Fred Gadelli, all the guys that are
legendary guys in that organization. And man, I'm so thankful
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that I had that opportunity. But at the same time,
what I really did, for the most part, was sit
behind a desk and do Sunday Night Football. The Sunday
Night Football Football nine in America and then you know,
a bunch of stuff in stadium at the desk, and
then the Super Bowl broadcast, but again at the desk.
So at the end of the day, like I chuckle,
because even as I look at the landscape right now, man,
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I have so much respect for a lot of guys.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
In the booth right now.
Speaker 11 (29:33):
But I'd step in the booth right now and be
a top three guy, like without question, and then you
give me a few years and I could be the best.
So look, I love the game. I love talking about
the game. I feel like I have an insight to
the game that is pretty unique. You know, given my
playing experience, I see the game a totally different way.
I process it a different way. And so even as
I watch games now and I just kind of listened to,
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you know, the commentary and this and that and what
I'm seeing, I just feel like there's so much more
to add. And so look, at the end of the day,
I'm gonna wait for the right opportunity and you know,
hopefully it comes along. And if it doesn't, that's okay too,
because I'm coaching ball and I'm involved in the game
in so many other ways. But I do feel like,
I have a ton of value to add in the booth,
and so I'm appreciative of Netflix giving me the opportunity
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to broadcast on Christmas Day. And I'm not sure exactly
which game, as can be, there's too on the slate,
but that'd be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, but it'd be like asking you to start a
game maybe in the preseason, then start a game, you know,
late in a season, and say you weren't consistent. It's
you need you need repetition in this. You got to
be there at weekend and week out.
Speaker 11 (30:37):
Yeah, absolutely, you know, and so it's it's I think
the unfortunate part about just that year was that the
thing I wanted to do most was broadcast NFL games.
The thing I had the opportunity to do the least
was broadcast NFL games. Now I had a chance to
do everything right. I was in studio, I was at
the stadium, did the Super Bowl pregame. I broadcast a
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little college, I broadcasted a little NFL well, So I
got exposure to everything, and man, I retained it all,
like every bit of coaching from all those guys, And
I'm very appreciative of that. But you know, when I departed.
I departed because I wanted to I wanted to spend
more time with my kids on the weekends coaching ball,
and unfortunately that was the schedule didn't work out, having
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a fly to Connecticut, you know, every week, and also
doing the Notre Dame games. So it was my decision
to step away from NBC. It was not theirs. They
wanted me back, and again I felt like I had
a great relationship with him during that time. Unfortunately, I
think it got reported a little bit differently, and now
somehow that's become the narrative. It could not be further
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from the truth. You can go talk to Pete Bavakua,
who is the head of NBC Sports. You can go
talk to Sam Flood, you can go talk to any
of those guys, Mike Trico, Rob Hyland. Then I had
a great relationship with those guys, and they wanted me back.
Unfortunately the schedule just didn't work given the fact that
I wasn't really able to do what I want to do,
which is broadcast NFL games.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Is there a statue of you in New Orleans?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
No, there's not.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Would you like to have a statue of you in
New Orleans.
Speaker 11 (32:12):
I don't need a statue. You know what, there's a
statue of Steve Leeson and that's one of my favorites.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Well, and I'm being serious.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I know you're being modest here, but when you think
about an athlete and what he meant to a city,
I don't know if there's another athlete who meant more
to a city than you did or do to New Orleans.
Speaker 11 (32:35):
Look, I think all of us if you go back
to you know that time two thousand and six, Sean
Payton comes in there as the head coach. I mean literally,
his first free agent signing was Scott Fujita right, who
was a mainstay on our defense, who was one of
my good, good friends, like and then just all the
little pieces that came together, you know, six oh seven,
O eight, which culminated our Super Bowl victory in O nine,
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and then really just an incredible run throughout our fifteen
years there.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
There were so many people that were part of that.
Speaker 11 (33:01):
So it's not I mean, even as you would sit
here and say, hey, maybe Sean Payton and I get
a lot of the credit, at the end of the day,
I think we just take pride in the fact that
we had a chance to be a part of something
really really special, really unique, probably unprecedented from the perspective
of what happened to city where the team was, as
far as just the organization and just the perception that
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people had of the Saints and then all of a
sudden being able to come together and create what was
one of the greatest runs I think in certainly NFL history,
professional sports history, and I think the reputation now of
what a team means to a city and really the
standard of what a team can mean to a city.
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I feel like the New Orleans Saints represent that as
well as any wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And I would have the statue of you to be
the actual size to scale. I would have it being
six feet so people can say, wow, he did it
at that height. I'm his height or I'm taller than him.
I don't want it to be seven feet tall. I
wanted to be six feet. Maybe you think you're six
to one, but maybe it's six feet. Can you be
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too short to play quarterback in the NFL?
Speaker 11 (34:16):
No, here's if you go back to you need the
perspective of having the linemen in front, you know, so
it's like it's like one of the it's like one
of these statues where you got like, you know, it's
like the cavalry, you know, and you have to beg
horses in front.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
You know, that's what you need for the perspective.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
So you're gonna be hidden behind your off fence line.
Speaker 11 (34:33):
Like the six foot sixth light in front of perspective
of through these guys. No, look, I don't think you
can be too short. Look, there's that there's that prototype
size that maybe we all have in our mind for
each position.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
In fact, I'm sure there's.
Speaker 11 (34:55):
A lot of scouts that made a great living, you know,
through the years with having that mold or that model
for each position.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
I know that Sean.
Speaker 11 (35:04):
Payton had a little bit of that because he got
it from parcels. I would I was in these discussions
all the time as to what certain positions were supposed
to look like.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Apparently the only.
Speaker 11 (35:13):
One that could have quite a bit of variation was
the running back position. He's like, they parcels just say
they come in all shapes and sizes. They just need
to have a big lower half, right, otherwise they're going
to constantly be in the shop, so to speak, They're
going to be injured. So I mean, like the darren
Sprolls is right, five foot seven, you know, one hundred
and eighty pounds, but it was one of the most
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dynamic players in the history in the.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
NFL, I think from a quarterback perspective.
Speaker 11 (35:38):
Keep in mind too, not only was I shore, but
I came in the league behind a guy named Doug Flutie, who,
in my opinion, is one of the greatest quarterbacks in
all of professional football. And obviously he played every level
of it, from the USFL to the CFL to the NFL.
But he was doing things that were ahead of his time,
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and I don't think he gets the appreciation for it.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
He was Patrick Mahomes before Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 11 (36:04):
Everything you see Mahomes do, I saw Fluty do every
day in practice, from the no look throws to the
back shoulder throws to just like manipulating defenders with his
eyes buying time like. He just had such an incredible
feel for the game and a lot of the things
he did he did out of survival. Right like you
think about it, I think some of the greatest innovations
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in history is because hey, there was a problem that
needed to be solved, or he had a limitation that
you had to overcome in some way with some other
sort of talent, and so like truly he did things
out of survival, like he would have been able to
play the position if he wasn't able to do these things.
But I had a front row seat to this for
four years with the Santigo Charters, and some ask his backup,
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and then in other cases he is my backup.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
But nonetheless he was.
Speaker 11 (36:49):
An incredible mentor for me and I learned so much
from and so therefore I would say he played the
game at five nine and a half or whatever Doug was.
I don't think that's I don't think that's a limitation.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I'm talking to Drew Brees, the future Hall of famerous
Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
What are you doing with Jimmy Johns?
Speaker 11 (37:07):
Well, first off, so I've been a fan of Jimmy
john since nineteen ninety seven my freshman year at Purdue University.
I showed up to Wiley Hall my freshman year and
you're staying up late studying right Dan, and three o'clock
in the morning, you're starving, and the only place open
is Jimmy Johns. So you diveal up Jimmy Johns and
literally fifteen minutes later, you got some dude rolling up
on a bike to hand you with Jimmy john sandwich.
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It's like the greatest pie of food in the world.
So literally that was like what I lived on three
days a week in college. So I've had a relationship
with Jimmy Johns for a long time. I've been at
Jimmy John's franchise year here in New Orleans. We built
out this market about fifteen years ago, so I've always
loved the brand and it's been a great partnership and
they're supporting our foundation. So actually for the entire month
(37:48):
of August, so all the way to August thirty, first
you can walk into with Jimmy Johns and just order
my favorite sandwich and they named that for me this month.
So you just say, I want to breeze number nine,
and basically that's going to be.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Ham capacolas salami.
Speaker 11 (37:59):
It's then nightclub, all those lettuce tomato onions. You get
the oil and vinegar, salt, pepper, the basil oregano mix,
but it's no cheese.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
Add hot peppers.
Speaker 11 (38:09):
That's the little, you know, the little extra that we're
throw in this to make it the Breeze number nine
and not just the number nine. So and all the
proceeds are going to the Breech String Foundation of British
and Girls clubs around the country, So appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
With Jimmy Johnson, how do you know what to look
for or should we know what to look for with
rookie quarterbacks in preseason?
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Well, first thing I say is experience.
Speaker 11 (38:33):
I just just take obviously a ton of qbs have
been you're after here of the last you know, three years,
you know, in the first round so or four years.
So first and foremost, how many games? How many high
level starts do they have in college? And I think
that makes a huge difference. I think if you just
start looking at, hey, the guys that had forty fifty
even six bone Micks sixty one starts in college, those
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guys come into the league a lot more well prepared
than the guys who, man, there's a ton of talent,
a ton of upside, a ton of potential started fifteen games, started,
seventeen games.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
There's just you just.
Speaker 11 (39:08):
Need I think forty to fifty high level starts before
you really kind of find that that that comfort level.
And so if you do take a guy like that,
then it's going to take two or three years. Obviously,
the team that you're part of, the system that you're in,
that that has that plays a big role in it.
But I think first and foremost you have to look
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at experience and then how are you building the system
around him? What type of what type of runway does
he have in order to grow and develop? You know,
I think you look at the guy's probably who had
the most success last year, Jade Daniels.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Bonis right.
Speaker 11 (39:44):
So those two examples, Jane Daniels, once you starts at
Arizona State, comes LSU, bunch of high level starts there,
he comes to the league.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I think very well prepared.
Speaker 11 (39:53):
Bon Neck sixty one starts right between Auburn and Oregon,
comes in fairly well prepared.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
So I think that's a big that's a big I'm.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Wondering how we're going to look at quarterbacks in the
future because Lamar Jackson could end up with ten thousand
rushing yards, which is unheard of. I mean for a
running back, ten thousand yards, it's a great career. Josh Allen,
he could end up with eight thousand yards rushing. You
look at the number of touchdown. Josh Allen's going to
end up with more rushing touchdowns than any other quarterback
in history.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
He'll move past Cam Newton.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
So I don't know how we everybody's thrown for a
lot of yards, but now you have this other category
in here, how will we differentiate or assess quarterbacks? You know,
bigger picture Hall of Fame wise, when you're adding something
that we really haven't seen the Michael Vick gave us this,
Steve Young, a little bit Cam Newton gave us. Now
(40:45):
it feels like, as Steve Young told me many times,
there's yards to get, Go get them.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
If you're a quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Look, it's a great point.
Speaker 11 (40:55):
It's a great point because I think when you start
talking about qvs in history and the comparisons, you immediately
go to the passing statistics, and obviously in today's game,
it's so much more than that. At the end of
the day, what's your job. Your job is to go
put your team in the end zone, and so however
you can do that, it doesn't matter whether it's through
the air or on the ground. I think that Steve
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Young quote is a great one. There's yards to get,
you know, go get them. There's first downs to get
go get them, So however you can do that. That's
why the whole QB rating thing is always so wonky, right,
because it's like, well, how are we really evaluating the
efficiency of the productivity of a quarterback when you have
all these different layers to it. I mean, you should
have somebody sitting there going, man, he threw the ball away.
(41:36):
That was actually an incredible decision. That shouldn't work against
him on the QB rating, Right, So you have all
these factors and at the end of the day, did
you possess the ball, did you get first towns to
push your team in the end zone? Did you score points?
Was that complimentary to your defense and that gets you
to win? I mean, that's that's that's truly how you
should be evaluated.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Well, also when you don't take a sack. I mean
that's like there's little things I agree QBR to me,
I don't like it. I want to know if you
won the game, it's the most.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Important to you.
Speaker 6 (42:09):
Yeah, but they don't have a category.
Speaker 11 (42:12):
Yeah, yeah, Look, I think you actually brought up a
good point. I think one of the greatest traits of
a quarterback that is never discussed, especially in the evaluation
of it is their ability to avoid SAPs and avoid
negative plays that when you just look start looking at
the probabilities and the percentages of success on you know,
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third and six versus third and ten, and just.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
Like your ability to avoid negative plays.
Speaker 11 (42:40):
And a lot of times too that could just be, Hey,
I have a decision when I walk up the line
of scrimmage to run the ball right, run the ball left,
run it inside, to run it outside. And the decision
that you make, in large part could be the difference
between a two or three yard gain or a one
yard loss. And so there's so many of these decisions
that are made within the framework of a game where
if I'm evaluating QBS and I'm sitting there watching the tape,
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I want to know what type of decision maker they are,
because if they are making more good decisions, then good
results will follow. There's a lot of things that we
can fix fundamentally and whatever, Hey you missed a throw,
but you're true to the right place and you're on time.
That's fine, we can fix that, right, But if you
have a great decision making process and you're consistently making
good decisions and you're avoiding sacks and you're putting yourself
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in favorable positions, meaning high probability for success positions, then
you're gonna win a ton of games. And I think
when you really start to break it down, that's what
you're looking for.
Speaker 6 (43:33):
Great to catch up with you again.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Hope the family's well, and good luck with Jimmy Johns
and Boys and Girls Clubs of America.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
Thank you, DP.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
That's a future Hall of Famer there, Drew Brees. His
longest run twenty three yards. He ran for seven hundred
yards in his career. That's that's Lamar j That's a
down year for Lamar running. Buddy, wasn't paid right, You
weren't paid to run. You weren't paid to run. You
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could have been elusive, right.
Speaker 11 (44:04):
Hey, move the chase, get your team, Okay, I'd much
rather throw it to the guys.
Speaker 6 (44:11):
Could you outrun Peyton Manning?
Speaker 11 (44:13):
Absolutely? Smoke him, crush him. Could you outrun Tom He's
all torso?
Speaker 5 (44:20):
Oh Brady, Yeah.
Speaker 11 (44:22):
Brady would be at the twenty five yard line when
I crossed the forty?
Speaker 6 (44:26):
Wow, how would you do against Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 5 (44:31):
No, he would be at the forty
Speaker 6 (44:36):
You're still competitive thank you Buddy,
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm trying to hold off on Michaeh. Parsons and Jerry Jones,
although it's getting a little more interesting. Jane Slater did
a really good job NFL Network Cowboys reporter talking to
Jerry Jones, and we were learning about a handshake deal
that he had with Micah Parsons. There's one problem with this,
and Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, he pointed this
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out a couple of days ago. Owners and players aren't
supposed to negotiate contracts. You are supposed to go through
an agent who is certified by the NFL Players Association. Well,
Jerry's been doing this for a long long time and
nobody called him on it. But now he's saying at
a handshake agreement with Michael Parsons and then all of
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a sudden he doesn't have a handshake agreement. Here is
Jane Slater talking to Jerry Jones about how he does business.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
So how would you describe a deal getting so to speak, done,
and then walked away from.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I bought the Dallas Cowboys with a handshake. Took about
thirty seconds, and I gave the numbers shook hands. The
details we worked out later. As a matter of fact,
one of the details involved a lot of money and
we had to flip a.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Coin over that.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
But the fundamental I'm buying and you're going to sell
it to me for that range, that's done and those
are done with eye contact and handshake.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
So is there just so you understand why.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I the way that I communicate with people that I
negotiate with.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
So let's leave it at that.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
There is no question that in the case of a
player or contract, you have to have it in writing.
All parties do we have a contract in writing, yet
we're still talking about renegotiating it.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
So so much for that. Okay, once again, you have
to go through an agent.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I don't know what happened, you know, forty years ago
when he bought the Cowboys, when I don't know, did
you write it down on a napkin?
Speaker 6 (02:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Here's our number and there's your number, and that's not
an official deal. Just so you know, a handshake agreement
is not going to hold up. Maybe Michael Parsons said,
and I've been in negotiations before where you get somebody
who kind of.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Gives you the vagaries.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
You know, it's kind of gray area, like yeah, you know,
how about yeah, let me think about it.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
I'll get back to you.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
That doesn't mean now I can shake your hand when
I leave. That doesn't mean I'm shaking your hand in
agreeing to you. It's let me talk to people. I mean,
that's why you have an agent. Jerry doesn't like dealing
with agents. And then he didn't know Michael Parson's agent's name,
or it acted like he didn't a couple of weeks ago. Okay,
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he does know who he is because he's negotiated a
contract with him with another remember of the Dallas Cowboys.
But Jerry handshake agreement, and Michah Parsons is kind of
renegging on that deal that you agreed to. I'd like
to hear Michael Parson's portion of this. But you know,
to Michah Parson's credit, he hasn't said much. He's just like, hey,
(03:18):
I'm trying to get this done, and we're not going
to get this done now you can trade me. That's
really all we've heard from him. I don't know what
the deal is. I know where they're probably going to land,
and it's probably going to be forty two million dollars
a year and is he going to be available week one?
Jerry didn't think so, and he said, yeah, this is urgent. Okay,
(03:43):
But James Slater asking him about doing his business and
how he does this business, Jerry did talk about Micah's contract, saga, well,
we did to become urgent.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
I' mean clearly you want him on the field for
against going to go. I'm urged that we need to
get some something resolved one way or another that he's
on the field against Hillage again.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Your definition of urgent is not necessarily I don't get
believe he gave a definition.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Imagine. Okay, so I'll stay urgent.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Any confidence that he will be on the field against again, No,
absolutely not. That has to a big part of that
is his decision. How would I know that. I'm just
saying no, but I'm.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Urgent, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I'm not sure he understood the question do you think
he's going to be there week one? And then he
said no. I don't know if he thought, hey, is
there any chance that he he won't be there? And
I thought that's where Jerry was answering no, but trying
to sort this out. I still think a deal gets done.
I don't think you're trading him. I haven't heard anybody
(04:56):
say anything about anybody offering anything from Micah Parsons. Now,
if you have that, okay, now we can have a discussion.
It's like Trey Hendrickson with the Bengals or Terry mclauren. Now,
I've seen websites where they'll go potential landing spots for well,
Terry McLaurin. I've seen six teams, but that would just
because they need a wide receiver. I don't know if
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they've offered anything. Micah Parsons haven't heard anything proposed trades.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
What if the Bears.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Give two first round picks and a fourth round pick.
There's no reporting attached to this. And the same with
Trey Hendrickson. Has anybody made an offer to the Bengals,
because it doesn't sound like anybody has. Now, if somebody does,
now we can have a conversation that this is real,
that he could possibly go.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (05:48):
I love that, you know, like we spend a lot
of time talking about Jerry Jones is a brilliant businessman.
He's brilliant, He's a genius, so great at business. Obviously,
he's very successful at business. Yeah, he's a a genius
businessman like Jay. How about how'd you get through the
finer points of getting the Cowboys? We shook hands and
flipped a coin.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
That's wow.
Speaker 8 (06:10):
I had no idea that that's what goes into being
such a genius. We flipped a coin. I can do
both of those. I can shake your hand and I
can flip a coin.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Really, you did it. Don't think I could get the
Cowboys with that strategy?
Speaker 9 (06:25):
Yes, PAULI, I somewhat respect what Jerry Jones is saying that,
you know, a handshake deal can start a deal. And
if that handshake deal, though, was last March, things have changed.
Things have changed a lot with a defensive end position
that a handshake is no longer apt with with with uh.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Yeah Parsons.
Speaker 9 (06:42):
No, I'm saying not with Parsons, but with all the
other players who have signed. It changed the entire market.
So that handshake deal does not hold up what it
gives to the agent four months.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
But you should have signed him to the contract back
in March exactly. If you do that, now you're binded.
You're bound by that. Then then it's different. If I
shake your hand and say, hey, you know what we'll
get back. I like, you shook hands and you agreed
in principle to something. I got to get the paperwork
done then, because I know I got these other defensive
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players who are going to be signing for more money
right away. It's urgent, he said, he's urgent. Why didn't
you get the paperwork done?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (07:19):
See, well this is why he doesn't like agents, because
it's possible. Michael Parsons was like, man, that's a good deal,
let's sign And the agent said.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
What's the rush? Why don't we just let the season
play out? What's the rush?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
A general manager wouldn't allow this to happen. A GM
would have said, we'll drop the papers. We're ready to go,
We'll drop the papers.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Yes, right.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
Nobody likes middleman, but man, do they come in handy
sometimes with things like this.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
But you're required to deal with the agent. You're required
so you can't say, hey, we're kind of loose when
it comes to negotiating contract. But if I decide that
I'm going to cut you, then you know, do I
have to live up to the contract that we signed
or just a handshake agreement? Like you can't pick and choose.
(08:09):
But the NFL has allowed Jerry to do this for
decades now. He's the most powerful man in the NFL.
But a handshake agreement. I'd have to know more about
this from Michael Parson's perspective, but you know, it's just
the further along this goes, it just becomes like this abyss.
(08:31):
You go in and you're like, I don't know if
I'll get out anytime soon. And that's why I always
have trepidation when it comes to discussing this. Am I
humored by Jerry Jones? Sometimes? Yes I am, but not
a good way. It just he should speak less. He
should have his son speak maybe more. But you know,
(08:52):
when you give us these colloquialisms and you know, a handshake,
and that's the way we used to do it, and
that's the good old days, and that's that's not the
good old days now. Michael Parsons has an agent. Deal
with the agent. That's when you get something that's official.
That's when you're going to get something on paper, that's
gonna be something where you sign. That's when you have
(09:13):
something that is binding. Yes, tod, I can appreciate.
Speaker 10 (09:17):
What Jerry saying as far as eye contact and you know,
talking directly to one another. But why does it have
to be instead of an agent being present? Why can't
you have both things. We're gonna talk and we're gonna
look at each other, we're gonna be in the same room.
But I also want to have my attorney. I gotta
protect myself. My agent knows legal things in terms that
I'm not familiar with. That's why he pays him part
of his contract.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Jerry loves to do this, speaking to a former cowboy yesterday.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
He loves to be there and just talk to you.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
That's all.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
It's just you and me. We'll just talk and he
can convince you.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
To maybe take something that you shouldn't take, or less
than you should take, or well, we're gonna take now
the language that was given to me yesterday by a
form of a cowboy. He's like, Jerry will say, you know,
we'll worry about that later. You can't do that, not
with something like this. You're talking two hundred million dollars
with Michaeh. Parsons. Probably it can't be. Will take care
(10:14):
of that a little later whenever.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
We need to.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Don't worry about that, No, no, no, we got to
worry about all those things. That's part of the problem
with the Cowboys' attention to detail. Maybe that's why you
haven't been back to the super Bowl in thirty years.
Preseason football ramps up coming up tomorrow. Shardor Sanders gets
the start for the Cleveland Browns. I think he's the
(10:38):
only quarterback who's healthy right now. He gets the start.
That'll be fun. ESPN is acquiring NFL Network, also Red Zone.
I go back eight years ago. The great writer Jim Miller,
who wrote the ESPN book, reported that ESPN was trying
to reestablish a positive relationship with the NFL. This is
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eight years ago the network was gauging whether to abandon
the NFL. They were having a hard time being a
business partner, according.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
To Jim Miller. Now they're all in.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Everybody's all in on this, and I know, you know,
the journalist in me talks about or would talk about,
or would point out the conflict of interest. But ESPN
can't be any further in bed with the NFL when
it comes to their coverage. Are they going to look
the other way with whatever negative story that comes up?
Speaker 6 (11:41):
They've probably already done that.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I mean, go back to when I was there on
ESPN Radio and we were talking about Playmakers, which was
a fictional show and it was about the NFL. The
NFL called up and talked to my boss and said, hey,
take it off your network.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
And they did.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I don't know if anybody's going to hold the NFL
their feet to the fire. I mean, i'd liked I
hope that there's people. Mike Florio is one of the
few people who will challenge the NFL and everybody's in
bed with the NFL. All networks have partnerships here. As
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far as a conflict of interest, I think that's long gone.
I think there's certain things that you're just not going
to cover. I don't know how deep the ESPN went
in on the mess of the NFL Players Association.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
I know Florio did, A couple of people.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Did, but I don't know if you know that's we're
in the content business. That's what Jimmy Pataro, who runs ESPN,
they're in the content business. Outside the lines gone with
Bob Lee, Jeremy Shapp. I mean, you have a couple
of investigative reporters, like E sixty is a monthly magazine
(13:05):
type feature. I'm talking about day to day looking at stories,
giving you both sides of the stories, and maybe you
don't care about it, you know, maybe you know, being
a dinosaur. I do because the NFL should be held
accountable for certain things. But the NFL, I'm sure does
(13:25):
not want Hey, we own part of you ten percent. Well,
the NFL has probably owned a lot of ESPN for
a long period of time. It's just not official, that's all.
But you know, good for you know, the mother ship
getting that partnership. They've they've done a good job in establishing.
I think they get three more games. You know, they
(13:48):
want to get a Super Bowl red zone. You're going
to get that with Scott Hansen. So I you know,
a lot of moving parts there. It's a big deal
and it's been in the works for it was on again,
off again, now on again for years. They've talked about
this because the owners were worried about NFL network and
(14:12):
now now it's ESPN's problem. But there's a lot of
great people over there. They just gutted the place that
was the disappointing part of it. Now at a lot
of great football people. They streamlined it. So then they
were going to sell it, and I said, well, ESPN's
going to buy it now ESPN and their reporters, and
I don't know how you cross pollinate, but that that happened,
(14:34):
and it's a big, big, big deal for certainly ESPN
and NFL network.
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Speaker 2 (15:24):
I'm already seeing articles about, oh are the Brown setting
Shador Sanders up to fail as he opens up his
NFL career on Friday night against Carolina, And I was
trying to understand the logic behind this, because he hasn't
been taking reps as the first string quarterback. He's been
with second and third teamers. Well, now he's going to
(15:46):
be there with the first teamers against Carolina. I don't
know how that sets him up to fail. Now you're
with more talented players, players that you might have on
your team when you're the starting quarterback at some point
during the NFL season. But we're already you know, it's
already shifting towards eh. What happens if you know he
(16:08):
doesn't do well in the first game. I think they're
making him, not making him. They're having him start because
everybody else is injured. I don't know if that's setting
him up for failure. You need somebody to play quarterback.
I don't think Teddy Bridgewater is ready to play. It's
a great opportunity for Shirdo or Sanders. I hope he
does well and you get to play with the first
(16:28):
team and maybe take some first team reps today and
get ready for Friday night's game against Carolina. But I
don't think he's being set up to fail. Not giving
him a chance to play would be setting him up
to fail. If he can play, hopefully he'll showcase that
coming up on Friday night, we'll explore some of the
other football matchups and battles going on in preseason. Our
(16:52):
good buddy, Ross Tucker will stop by eight seven to
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hand The DP Show operator Tyler is sitting by. He'll
take your phone calls. By the way, we did talk
about the smelling salt. Is it a smelling salt gate
that we like to throw gate? We attach that to
(17:14):
a lot of different things. When there's a controversy. The
NFL is saying you can't use smelling salts on the sidelines.
You can bring your own, but they want to take
away the liability I believe of smelling salts, and they're
worried about what it does. If you've had a concussion
and somebody gives you a smelling salt and it might
wake you up to be able to go back out
there and play. But it's bring your own smelling salts
(17:37):
to the sidelines.
Speaker 10 (17:38):
Yes, ton, it didn't pass the smell test for the NFL.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Es four minutes in, I'll give you a bloop, Yes, PAULI.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
I didn't realize how many players used them over the
past twenty four hours. It's become a story. So now
every local reporter is asking players about it, like different players.
There's a player for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers it says
I use them before every single defensive drive. They're commonplace.
You just don't catch them on TV that much, but
they're very commonplace.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Weight lifters use these before a big lift. They'll take
a hit and then all of a sudden, it's like
and then you go. But I was wondering about this
that you know, are they readily available that you can
get smelling salts where?
Speaker 6 (18:19):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I guess you can order them, But are they worried
about kids using them?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
As it?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Is it going to trickle down to you know, Pop Warner.
I'm not sure, but it feels like the NFL is saying,
where you want to remove any liability here, If you
want to take it, you bring your own. Yes, Ston,
is this something we should be incorporating into the morning
routine around here?
Speaker 6 (18:44):
I told Dylan to see if he could order some.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Just I don't know if you guys have ever experienced
smelling salts.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Oh, yes, that's going to be the feeling, that's going
to be the.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Look, the sound of it, it is going to You know,
there's that Bows speaker commercial where the speakers are on
and the guy's hair is blown back and his face
is blown back, and sort of the feeling you get
when you do spelling salts. I remember doing them in
high school playing football, for my limited experience of freshman
(19:19):
football in high school for the Mason Commets.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
But you would take a hit of that and it's
like whow yes, PAULI.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
A lot of people are speculating that the FDA caused this.
The FDA did a report just about a year ago
that said different types of these inhaling ammonia products can
lead to coughing, airway restriction, eye and those irritation and
long term effects on your breathing, seizure's, migraine, et cetera,
et cetera. And so the NFL just got this report
last year right before the season. Maybe that's what caused
(19:48):
the trickle down the home.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Okay, yeah, it kind of came out of nowhere, But
having used it a couple of times, I didn't like it,
but it wasn't for a concussion. I think it was
just getting ready for contest with an Oklahoma drill that
we were going to do.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Playing high school of football. Oklahoma drill, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I love the Oklahoma drill where you're lying on your
back and then the other guys lying on your back
and they go and then you jump up and then
you run into each other.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
They called it the Oklahoma drill.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, that was the good old days. That's what That's
the way we used to do it, yes, Paul.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
So when you play grade school football and you stink
like I did, you'd be in line for the Oklahoma
drill and you'd look across and if you saw Richie
Alcott number fifty one, and you went back in line
a couple spots because you didn't not want to get
cooked by Richie.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You didn't want somebody wearing Dick Butkus's number.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Oh no, number fifty one.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
All right, we'll get to a poll question today. I
do want to mention there was a topic yesterday we
spent a lot of time, maybe too much time. It
talked about the NFL was buying ten percent of ESPN.
There's a merger between NFL network in ESPN, and the
point that I made and want to continue to make,
there is a conflict of interest. I think we can
(21:07):
all agree to that now if you don't care about it,
and maybe you don't, but.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
For me, I worry about that.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
But you know, this is the old school in me
that you know with ESPN and having been there eighteen years,
and I mentioned that, you know, are they going to
have journalism? Are they going to cover the NFL? And
I didn't mention any names, but there was one person
at the mothership, Don ven Natta, who is a senior
(21:36):
writer who's been on the show. I think last time
he was on five years ago to talk about deep
dive he did on the Decision with Lebron James, and
he's been on the show a couple of times. He's
a very good journalist. He took it personally when I
was saying, I don't know if they did a deep
dive on the NFL Players Association mess and once again,
(21:58):
this is live radio and I'm saying I don't know,
So I'm not making a declarative statement. I'm just saying
I don't know. Well, Don van Nada took it personally
that I don't go to ESPN dot com and read
his articles. I don't go to ESPN dot com. Okay,
I don't if there's an article, the dan Nets will
(22:18):
bring it to my attention. Hey, this is I did
it out of principle when I left ESPN, like I'm
going to put ESPN in my rear view mirror, and
I really it's not part of my morning or routine
of going there. So I missed that Don was doing
an expose on the NFL Players Association, and by all accounts,
did a great job. Now I did know that Mike
(22:40):
Florio and Pablo Torre were doing things, and they added
to the story collusion story. They sent the stories to us.
We had them on, we had JC Treader on who
was second in command at the NFLPA. It's not a
story that you know we were staying away from. But
Don van down and Nata said that he was embarrassed
(23:01):
for me because I didn't know that he is the
one who had the story initially. I don't know if
they promoted you correctly. Don, to be honest with you,
I don't know if you were on First Take. I
don't know if you're on NFL Live. I don't know
if you're on Get Up. I know that Pablo Torre
and Mike Flora, Mike Florio were there front and center
(23:23):
promoting this and got a lot of attention here. So
I apologize for that that I didn't know that you
were the person the originator of this story there to
say you're embarrassed for me because I didn't see the article.
I said that out loud. I don't know if you
guys did a deep dive and I wasn't talking about you.
(23:45):
You made it personal about me, and you know about
being a journalist, I said at the point, I didn't know.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
And also you know when.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You start, you started out that way, you miss what
the real point was is is is there a conflict
of interest? Like that's the discussion here, not I missed
that you did something on the and by the way,
it's not on the NFL. Your expose was on the
NFL Players Association. There's a big difference in that. So
(24:18):
we've reached out to Don If he wants to join us, great.
You may not even care about this, but when you
say you're embarrassed for me, and then you know you
want to show me your resume, and I'll show you mine,
and you know we can have a private conversation here,
but if you call me out, you're embarrassed imagine if
you did this, you did your article live, because that's
(24:39):
what I do every day. I write columns every single
day for three hours. And sometimes you make mistakes. And
you know by saying that there's not an investigative arm
inside ESPN, that's on me. I made a mistake. I
know where your office is, and you know it's been
scaled down greatly. I hope you continue to fight the
(25:00):
good fight. Don I hope you and your staff fight
the good fight. But now is when you're judged. From
here on out, is when you're judged covering the NFL,
not what you did before. Have you liked me saying
I'm not any good at this? But man, was I
good at Sports Center? No one cares. It's about today
and tomorrow in the next day. Covering the NFL Player
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Association is a whole lot different than covering the NFL,
and you have to admit, which you didn't. It's a
conflict of interest. The perception is a conflict of interest,
and that was the point that I was trying to
make there. I wish you well, but if you want
to have a conversation on the show or privately, I'd
(25:44):
love to. I have nothing against you. You're the one
that made it personal, all right, And thank you all
the people on social media who stood up for me
and sent me the article. And I got way too
many articles sent to me. Very happy. But I hope
to restore my journalistic credentials here this entire show. I
(26:07):
got three hours to do it, and perhaps I'll do that.
But there's a reason why the commissioner of the NFL
has not been on this show for over a decade.
Because I ask good questions. I ask the right questions.
I ask questions that can be uncomfortable. We take pride
in what we do and how we do it. And
because I offhandedly said I'm wondering because I didn't read
(26:31):
your expose, I'm going to renew my ESPN dot com
subscription polling.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
Nineteen ninety nine a year.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
I'm special. Is that what it is to get you?
A former employee?
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Right?
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Yeah? But this is another thing. I don't you know.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
They have analytics that say, hey, we're covering this and
this and this and this and this. Don is in
the buzzkill business. His job is to find the negative
side of things. I mean, he's trying to find the
CD under belly here and I don't know if get
up and first take and some of these other shows go, hey,
come on down, let's spend ten minutes talking about this.
(27:08):
And you know, it's unfortunate, but I've been there.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
I was there for a long time.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
A lot of people who were great journalists no longer
work there, and you're alone in the corner there, don
And I hope that they add instead of subtracting there.
I think that's really important to cover the NFL, not
just the NFLPA.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
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Speaker 6 (27:44):
He's Drew Brees, future Hall of Famer, Super Bowl MVP
winner and joining us on behalf of Jimmy Johns and
Drew Brees Number nine.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Look at all the posters back there, they're all pictures
of you.
Speaker 11 (28:00):
Well since since you since I'm not behind you. You know,
amongst some of the all time broadcasting grades, I see
Bob Costas, I see Al Michaels. You know, I figured
I had to kind of create my own setup back here.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Let's go back to your broadcasting career.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Looking back on it, No, but I'm I know you
want to do this, and you're a competitor and you
want to be great. What is it that maybe you
missed understanding or doing the first go round to be
your broadcasting career.
Speaker 11 (28:29):
Well, here's where I kind of chuckled, man, because I
get the perception. I get the feeling that the perception
is it somehow, you know, I failed at being a broadcaster.
I got two opportunities to broadcast NFL games, and they
were like eight weeks apart.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I did.
Speaker 11 (28:47):
I did one game in New Orleans for Thanksgiving, and
I did one playoff game. Otherwise I did. I broadcasted
Notre Dame football. But really, when I took that job
with NBC, the idea was to work with some of
the best people in the business. Mike Trico, Tony Jungee,
Rob Hyland, like Fred Gadelli, all the guys that are
legendary guys in that organization. And man, I'm so thankful
(29:09):
that I had that opportunity. But at the same time,
what I really did, for the most part, was sit
behind a desk and do Sunday Night Football. The Sunday
Night Football Football nine in America and then you know,
a bunch of stuff in stadium at the desk, and
then the Super Bowl broadcast, but again at the desk.
So at the end of the day, like I chuckle,
because even as I look at the landscape right now, man,
(29:30):
I have so much respect for a lot of guys.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
In the booth right now.
Speaker 11 (29:33):
But I'd step in the booth right now and be
a top three guy, like without question, and then you
give me a few years and I could be the best.
So look, I love the game. I love talking about
the game. I feel like I have an insight to
the game that is pretty unique. You know, given my
playing experience, I see the game a totally different way.
I process it a different way. And so even as
I watch games now and I just kind of listened to,
(29:55):
you know, the commentary and this and that and what
I'm seeing, I just feel like there's so much more
to add. And so look, at the end of the day,
I'm gonna wait for the right opportunity and you know,
hopefully it comes along. And if it doesn't, that's okay too,
because I'm coaching ball and I'm involved in the game
in so many other ways. But I do feel like,
I have a ton of value to add in the booth,
and so I'm appreciative of Netflix giving me the opportunity
(30:16):
to broadcast on Christmas Day. And I'm not sure exactly
which game, as can be, there's too on the slate,
but that'd be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, but it'd be like asking you to start a
game maybe in the preseason, then start a game, you know,
late in a season, and say you weren't consistent. It's
you need you need repetition in this. You got to
be there at weekend and week out.
Speaker 11 (30:37):
Yeah, absolutely, you know, and so it's it's I think
the unfortunate part about just that year was that the
thing I wanted to do most was broadcast NFL games.
The thing I had the opportunity to do the least
was broadcast NFL games. Now I had a chance to
do everything right. I was in studio, I was at
the stadium, did the Super Bowl pregame. I broadcast a
(30:58):
little college, I broadcasted a little NFL well, So I
got exposure to everything, and man, I retained it all,
like every bit of coaching from all those guys, And
I'm very appreciative of that. But you know, when I departed.
I departed because I wanted to I wanted to spend
more time with my kids on the weekends coaching ball,
and unfortunately that was the schedule didn't work out, having
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a fly to Connecticut, you know, every week, and also
doing the Notre Dame games. So it was my decision
to step away from NBC. It was not theirs. They
wanted me back, and again I felt like I had
a great relationship with him during that time. Unfortunately, I
think it got reported a little bit differently, and now
somehow that's become the narrative. It could not be further
(31:43):
from the truth. You can go talk to Pete Bavakua,
who is the head of NBC Sports. You can go
talk to Sam Flood, you can go talk to any
of those guys, Mike Trico, Rob Hyland. Then I had
a great relationship with those guys, and they wanted me back.
Unfortunately the schedule just didn't work given the fact that
I wasn't really able to do what I want to do,
which is broadcast NFL games.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Is there a statue of you in New Orleans?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
No, there's not.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Would you like to have a statue of you in
New Orleans.
Speaker 11 (32:12):
I don't need a statue. You know what, there's a
statue of Steve Leeson and that's one of my favorites.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Well, and I'm being serious.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I know you're being modest here, but when you think
about an athlete and what he meant to a city,
I don't know if there's another athlete who meant more
to a city than you did or do to New Orleans.
Speaker 11 (32:35):
Look, I think all of us if you go back
to you know that time two thousand and six, Sean
Payton comes in there as the head coach. I mean literally,
his first free agent signing was Scott Fujita right, who
was a mainstay on our defense, who was one of
my good, good friends, like and then just all the
little pieces that came together, you know, six oh seven,
O eight, which culminated our Super Bowl victory in O nine,
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and then really just an incredible run throughout our fifteen
years there.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
There were so many people that were part of that.
Speaker 11 (33:01):
So it's not I mean, even as you would sit
here and say, hey, maybe Sean Payton and I get
a lot of the credit, at the end of the day,
I think we just take pride in the fact that
we had a chance to be a part of something
really really special, really unique, probably unprecedented from the perspective
of what happened to city where the team was, as
far as just the organization and just the perception that
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people had of the Saints and then all of a
sudden being able to come together and create what was
one of the greatest runs I think in certainly NFL history,
professional sports history, and I think the reputation now of
what a team means to a city and really the
standard of what a team can mean to a city.
(33:48):
I feel like the New Orleans Saints represent that as
well as any wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And I would have the statue of you to be
the actual size to scale. I would have it being
six feet so people can say, wow, he did it
at that height. I'm his height or I'm taller than him.
I don't want it to be seven feet tall. I
wanted to be six feet. Maybe you think you're six
to one, but maybe it's six feet. Can you be
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too short to play quarterback in the NFL?
Speaker 11 (34:16):
No, here's if you go back to you need the
perspective of having the linemen in front, you know, so
it's like it's like one of the it's like one
of these statues where you got like, you know, it's
like the cavalry, you know, and you have to beg
horses in front.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
You know, that's what you need for the perspective.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
So you're gonna be hidden behind your off fence line.
Speaker 11 (34:33):
Like the six foot sixth light in front of perspective
of through these guys. No, look, I don't think you
can be too short. Look, there's that there's that prototype
size that maybe we all have in our mind for
each position.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
In fact, I'm sure there's.
Speaker 11 (34:55):
A lot of scouts that made a great living, you know,
through the years with having that mold or that model
for each position.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
I know that Sean.
Speaker 11 (35:04):
Payton had a little bit of that because he got
it from parcels. I would I was in these discussions
all the time as to what certain positions were supposed
to look like.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Apparently the only.
Speaker 11 (35:13):
One that could have quite a bit of variation was
the running back position. He's like, they parcels just say
they come in all shapes and sizes. They just need
to have a big lower half, right, otherwise they're going
to constantly be in the shop, so to speak, They're
going to be injured. So I mean, like the darren
Sprolls is right, five foot seven, you know, one hundred
and eighty pounds, but it was one of the most
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dynamic players in the history in the.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
NFL, I think from a quarterback perspective.
Speaker 11 (35:38):
Keep in mind too, not only was I shore, but
I came in the league behind a guy named Doug Flutie, who,
in my opinion, is one of the greatest quarterbacks in
all of professional football. And obviously he played every level
of it, from the USFL to the CFL to the NFL.
But he was doing things that were ahead of his time,
(36:01):
and I don't think he gets the appreciation for it.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
He was Patrick Mahomes before Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 11 (36:04):
Everything you see Mahomes do, I saw Fluty do every
day in practice, from the no look throws to the
back shoulder throws to just like manipulating defenders with his
eyes buying time like. He just had such an incredible
feel for the game and a lot of the things
he did he did out of survival. Right like you
think about it, I think some of the greatest innovations
(36:25):
in history is because hey, there was a problem that
needed to be solved, or he had a limitation that
you had to overcome in some way with some other
sort of talent, and so like truly he did things
out of survival, like he would have been able to
play the position if he wasn't able to do these things.
But I had a front row seat to this for
four years with the Santigo Charters, and some ask his backup,
(36:47):
and then in other cases he is my backup.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
But nonetheless he was.
Speaker 11 (36:49):
An incredible mentor for me and I learned so much
from and so therefore I would say he played the
game at five nine and a half or whatever Doug was.
I don't think that's I don't think that's a limitation.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I'm talking to Drew Brees, the future Hall of famerous
Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
What are you doing with Jimmy Johns?
Speaker 11 (37:07):
Well, first off, so I've been a fan of Jimmy
john since nineteen ninety seven my freshman year at Purdue University.
I showed up to Wiley Hall my freshman year and
you're staying up late studying right Dan, and three o'clock
in the morning, you're starving, and the only place open
is Jimmy Johns. So you diveal up Jimmy Johns and
literally fifteen minutes later, you got some dude rolling up
on a bike to hand you with Jimmy john sandwich.
(37:28):
It's like the greatest pie of food in the world.
So literally that was like what I lived on three
days a week in college. So I've had a relationship
with Jimmy Johns for a long time. I've been at
Jimmy John's franchise year here in New Orleans. We built
out this market about fifteen years ago, so I've always
loved the brand and it's been a great partnership and
they're supporting our foundation. So actually for the entire month
(37:48):
of August, so all the way to August thirty, first
you can walk into with Jimmy Johns and just order
my favorite sandwich and they named that for me this month.
So you just say, I want to breeze number nine,
and basically that's going to be.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Ham capacolas salami.
Speaker 11 (37:59):
It's then nightclub, all those lettuce tomato onions. You get
the oil and vinegar, salt, pepper, the basil oregano mix,
but it's no cheese.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
Add hot peppers.
Speaker 11 (38:09):
That's the little, you know, the little extra that we're
throw in this to make it the Breeze number nine
and not just the number nine. So and all the
proceeds are going to the Breech String Foundation of British
and Girls clubs around the country, So appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
With Jimmy Johnson, how do you know what to look
for or should we know what to look for with
rookie quarterbacks in preseason?
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Well, first thing I say is experience.
Speaker 11 (38:33):
I just just take obviously a ton of qbs have
been you're after here of the last you know, three years,
you know, in the first round so or four years.
So first and foremost, how many games? How many high
level starts do they have in college? And I think
that makes a huge difference. I think if you just
start looking at, hey, the guys that had forty fifty
even six bone Micks sixty one starts in college, those
(38:55):
guys come into the league a lot more well prepared
than the guys who, man, there's a ton of talent,
a ton of upside, a ton of potential started fifteen games, started,
seventeen games.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
There's just you just.
Speaker 11 (39:08):
Need I think forty to fifty high level starts before
you really kind of find that that that comfort level.
And so if you do take a guy like that,
then it's going to take two or three years. Obviously,
the team that you're part of, the system that you're in,
that that has that plays a big role in it.
But I think first and foremost you have to look
(39:29):
at experience and then how are you building the system
around him? What type of what type of runway does
he have in order to grow and develop? You know,
I think you look at the guy's probably who had
the most success last year, Jade Daniels.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Bonis right.
Speaker 11 (39:44):
So those two examples, Jane Daniels, once you starts at
Arizona State, comes LSU, bunch of high level starts there,
he comes to the league.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I think very well prepared.
Speaker 11 (39:53):
Bon Neck sixty one starts right between Auburn and Oregon,
comes in fairly well prepared.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
So I think that's a big that's a big I'm.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Wondering how we're going to look at quarterbacks in the
future because Lamar Jackson could end up with ten thousand
rushing yards, which is unheard of. I mean for a
running back, ten thousand yards, it's a great career. Josh Allen,
he could end up with eight thousand yards rushing. You
look at the number of touchdown. Josh Allen's going to
end up with more rushing touchdowns than any other quarterback
in history.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
He'll move past Cam Newton.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
So I don't know how we everybody's thrown for a
lot of yards, but now you have this other category
in here, how will we differentiate or assess quarterbacks? You know,
bigger picture Hall of Fame wise, when you're adding something
that we really haven't seen the Michael Vick gave us this,
Steve Young, a little bit Cam Newton gave us. Now
(40:45):
it feels like, as Steve Young told me many times,
there's yards to get, Go get them.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
If you're a quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Look, it's a great point.
Speaker 11 (40:55):
It's a great point because I think when you start
talking about qvs in history and the comparisons, you immediately
go to the passing statistics, and obviously in today's game,
it's so much more than that. At the end of
the day, what's your job. Your job is to go
put your team in the end zone, and so however
you can do that, it doesn't matter whether it's through
the air or on the ground. I think that Steve
(41:16):
Young quote is a great one. There's yards to get,
you know, go get them. There's first downs to get
go get them, So however you can do that. That's
why the whole QB rating thing is always so wonky, right,
because it's like, well, how are we really evaluating the
efficiency of the productivity of a quarterback when you have
all these different layers to it. I mean, you should
have somebody sitting there going, man, he threw the ball away.
(41:36):
That was actually an incredible decision. That shouldn't work against
him on the QB rating, Right, So you have all
these factors and at the end of the day, did
you possess the ball, did you get first towns to
push your team in the end zone? Did you score points?
Was that complimentary to your defense and that gets you
to win? I mean, that's that's that's truly how you
should be evaluated.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Well, also when you don't take a sack. I mean
that's like there's little things I agree QBR to me,
I don't like it. I want to know if you
won the game, it's the most.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Important to you.
Speaker 6 (42:09):
Yeah, but they don't have a category.
Speaker 11 (42:12):
Yeah, yeah, Look, I think you actually brought up a
good point. I think one of the greatest traits of
a quarterback that is never discussed, especially in the evaluation
of it is their ability to avoid SAPs and avoid
negative plays that when you just look start looking at
the probabilities and the percentages of success on you know,
(42:36):
third and six versus third and ten, and just.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
Like your ability to avoid negative plays.
Speaker 11 (42:40):
And a lot of times too that could just be, Hey,
I have a decision when I walk up the line
of scrimmage to run the ball right, run the ball left,
run it inside, to run it outside. And the decision
that you make, in large part could be the difference
between a two or three yard gain or a one
yard loss. And so there's so many of these decisions
that are made within the framework of a game where
if I'm evaluating QBS and I'm sitting there watching the tape,
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I want to know what type of decision maker they are,
because if they are making more good decisions, then good
results will follow. There's a lot of things that we
can fix fundamentally and whatever, Hey you missed a throw,
but you're true to the right place and you're on time.
That's fine, we can fix that, right, But if you
have a great decision making process and you're consistently making
good decisions and you're avoiding sacks and you're putting yourself
(43:23):
in favorable positions, meaning high probability for success positions, then
you're gonna win a ton of games. And I think
when you really start to break it down, that's what
you're looking for.
Speaker 6 (43:33):
Great to catch up with you again.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Hope the family's well, and good luck with Jimmy Johns
and Boys and Girls Clubs of America.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
Thank you, DP.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
That's a future Hall of Famer there, Drew Brees. His
longest run twenty three yards. He ran for seven hundred
yards in his career. That's that's Lamar j That's a
down year for Lamar running. Buddy, wasn't paid right, You
weren't paid to run. You weren't paid to run. You
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could have been elusive, right.
Speaker 11 (44:04):
Hey, move the chase, get your team, Okay, I'd much
rather throw it to the guys.
Speaker 6 (44:11):
Could you outrun Peyton Manning?
Speaker 11 (44:13):
Absolutely? Smoke him, crush him. Could you outrun Tom He's
all torso?
Speaker 5 (44:20):
Oh Brady, Yeah.
Speaker 11 (44:22):
Brady would be at the twenty five yard line when
I crossed the forty?
Speaker 6 (44:26):
Wow, how would you do against Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 5 (44:31):
No, he would be at the forty
Speaker 6 (44:36):
You're still competitive thank you Buddy,
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