August 19, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan talks to NFL insider Mike Florio about the deals that still need to get done for some of the NFL’s biggest stars. And documentarian Maclain Way joins the show to talk about his Netflix documentary on Jerry Jones and his ownership of the Dallas Cowboys, “America's Team: The Gambler and His Cowboys.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
In this Tuesday, the popular Mike Florio from NBC Sports
will stop by here in a moment and the director
of the documentary on the Dallas Cowboys that's set to
be released. It's called America's Team, The Gambler and His Cowboys.
We'll talk to the director and producer, McLain way. He
(00:26):
and his brother part of Netflix sports documentary series. I'm
told they also did Mattles at the Palace, They did
the Mantai Teo story, the Girlfriend who Didn't Exist, They
did Johnny Football Crimes and Penalties, and many other So
there's a documentary that's coming out and coming out today
on Netflix, so we'll talk to him. Coming up, Chase
(00:47):
Daniel will break down some of the film. Nobody does
it better than he does. Former quarterback. He'll break down
some of these preseason performances that we've seen and why
we should be very excited or maybe we the cooler
jets on that Bengals beat the Commanders, and a breakout
night for Mitchell Tinsley. He played at Western Kentucky Community
(01:09):
College also and Penn State for one year. He had
a couple of touchdown receptions and then you find out,
look at that depth chart, he's probably not even gonna
make the roster. Mitchell Tinsley, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I have him as the seventh wide receiver on the
depth chart.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
They'll probably keeps six that he might be a practice
squad guy, our starting lineup. Fritzy very very popular with
the listeners and of course with us as well. He's
the minister of humor. Seaton's here, Marvin Paulie, yours truly
in the Brgs. Matthew Stafford still iffy for the Rams.
I know Sean McVay. It's like he's looking for different
(01:47):
ways to describe what's going on without giving too much information.
It just feels like Matthew Stafford on the outside looking in.
And we saw Stetson Bennett. He played every snap. Now,
maybe they don't want to put in Jimmy Garoppolo because
they don't want to have him out there. Maybe he
gets hurt because he is your backup quarterback. And Joe Flacco,
(02:09):
as I told you all of this talk of everybody
they brought in and draft picks, and I said they're
going to start Joe Flacco. But that doesn't mean some
of these other quarterbacks, certainly Shadoor Sanders won't get playing
time this year. Setan what's the poll question? And then
we'll get to Mike Florio. They we're just putting up
there a new one from Paul. Whose career Would you
(02:30):
want Joe Flacco or Philip Rivers? Oh? Well, well, one
has a chance for the Hall of Fame. One did
win a Super Bowl gets another this year too. Oh
if he wins a Super Bowl this year, I'll personally
(02:52):
carry him to the Hall of Fame. Yes, Paul. Joe
Flacco never.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Even made a Pro Bowl as an alternate in his
entire career, but as a Super Bowl and VP. Yeah,
Philip Rivers, I think at least eight Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, that one's interesting. Let's bring in Mike Florio, the
popular host of Pro Football Talk lot. Let me start there, Mike,
whose career do you want Joe Flacco or do you
want Philip Rivers?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Probably Flacco because it's the ultimate team sport.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
You want to win a Super Bowl. He won a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
He was twice the highest paid player in all of football.
And I love the fact. D And when you think
about true franchise quarterbacks, guys who were once paid more
than anyone else in the sport.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
For him to be willing to humble himself and be a.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Backup for years and just keep playing, keep going, how
many guys do that? Could you imagine Peyton Manning holding
a clipboard once his starting days ended. It really is
refreshing to see a guy who loves the sport so
much he hangs around he gets his chance. And off
of Paul's point about the Pro Bowl, my favorite fact
about the current Cleveland Browns roster at quarterback. They have
(04:00):
six guys and one Pro Bowler, Tyler Huntley. The other
five no Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Mike's latest novel, Big Shield, debuts today on Amazon. The
Tale of Gambling, the Mob, and Pro Football. But for
legal reasons, it's definitely not about the NFL.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I can't stop you. You know, there's a franchise in Vegas.
There's a franchise in Baltimore. There's a franchise in Minnesota.
I can't stop the reader from envisioning the colors and
the logos and the name. But for legal reasons, I
just go with Vegas, Baltimore, Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
They can't copyright city and state.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Names do you expect to hear from the NFL.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
No, I think they'll ignore the book.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
I think it will bother them enough that they'll ignore it,
that that'll be the strategy. However, they should like it,
because Dan, it's a cautionary tale about what can happen
with inside information.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
There's so much inside information out there.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Who's re injured, who's not, what's the game plan, who's
going to get the ball?
Speaker 5 (05:03):
All sorts of things before games and during games.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I know they're concerned about guys on the sidelines giving
signals to people who would lock in micro bets for
runner pass. Coincidentally, that's what happens in this book. That's
the premise. A backup quarterback for the Vegas franchise of
a fictional pro football league gets tied in with a
mobster and it all kind of goes from there where
(05:27):
this relationship has ups and downs and twists and turns,
and four hundred pages later you get a resolution.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's a called Big Shield. Now the NFL is called
the Shield.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Mike, Well, that's right, and I loosely refer to the
NFL as Big Shield. So it's all part of the game. Look,
I want that, did you see the Billy Joel documentary.
The best thing that ever happened to him was the
Catholic Church banning.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Only the Good Die Young.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
He sent them a note saying, will you please ban
my other songs? When people like they're not supposed to
read or watch or listen to something, it makes them
want it even more.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Do you want the NFL to sue you?
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Oh, they won't sue me. No, Dan won't.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
They won't sue me because nothing in here infringes on
any of their copyrights. And it's a pure work of
fiction that there's nothing in there that libels anyone. All
the characters are made up, The whole thing is completely
made up. The only issue would be copyrights. I don't
use NFL, I don't use team names. I'm I'm I'm
safe there now, if they would want to assume me,
(06:31):
if it would help book sales, then you know I would.
I would deal with that. But they won't. They'll ignore it.
Like they remember the film Concussion. They were scared to
death of that movie, and their strategy was to ignore it,
and they did, and it worked.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
It didn't really move the needle.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. Whole
smelling salts. We know it's supposed to mask a concussion, right,
Why are they allowing you to still bring in something
it's bring your own smelling salts to mask concussions. Shouldn't
(07:07):
you make that illegal so we can detect if you
have a concussion.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
This is one of the realities of collective bargaining, and
collective bargaining can be very good, but it also can
become ridiculous because if the league were to go to
the players and say we want a complete and total
ban on smelling salts, the players would be inclined to say,
what's in it for us? If you want the ban,
we're going to say we don't, so we can get
(07:35):
something from you to give you what you want.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
And it works both ways.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Look, marijuana legal in most of the states now where
the NFL does business.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Why don't we just get rid of it.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Well, it's a collective bargaining issue, So what's in it
for us?
Speaker 5 (07:50):
This is the NFL.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
What's in it for us if we agree to get
rid of it. So it's ludicrous when the union sent
out to the players, oh, hey, you can still bring
your own it's like, wait a minute, is this.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Really a good idea.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Should they be having these things around, should they be
using these things? Yeah, the whole thing's ridiculous, and the
sooner those things are off the sideline, the better off
everyone will be.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
This garnered a lot of headlines, but we know why.
It's Shudoor Sanders, Dylan Gabriel and Dylan Gabriel saying that. Basically,
there's entertainers and then he's a competitor, and people thought
he's referencing Shador Sanders. Did you hear it that way,
that he was referencing people in the media and not
shud Or Sanders.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Well, I think it's reasonable to look at those comments
and consider the context and come to the conclusion that
he was making a comment about Shudhur Sanders. I think
that's not an unreasonable reaction. And that's what happens when
you put your words out there into the public space
for consumption, people are going to come to.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Whatever conclusions they want.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I didn't take it that way, but I could see
somebody looking at that and thinking, oh, he's taking a
little bit of.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
A shot there.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
At the end of the day, he is a head
I mean, he walked through the door with the mindset
He's going to be the starter. He's become the starter
everywhere he's been. The Browns quarterback depth Charty's fascinating Dan.
And they're a week away from having to decide how
many of these guys are they gonna have on the
fifty three man roster. I think Kenny Pickett's going to
be the odd man out. I think it's gonna be
Flacco and the two Rickeys rookies competing and or entertaining
(09:20):
all of us throughout the course of the twenty twenty
five season.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
We spent a good portion of the first hour talking
about how bad the commander's uniforms look. According to Pauli,
he thinks they're the worst uniforms in the NFL. Then
he gave me his bottom five in there. I'll ask you,
where do you sit on the commander's uniforms home uniforms.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I don't think they're that bad. Now, there were worse.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
The Dolphins I think are the worst. The Dolphins based
uniforms are horrible. They should make their throwbacks their full
time uniforms. I mean they're worried about the perception that
they're soft. Those uniforms screen soft.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Right, you see the throwbacks. The throwbacks are badass.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Like if you want to make and you ask any
NFL player, how you look is how you feel. The projection,
the image, everything the toughness at all oozes from how
you look. So I think the Commanders are fine, the
Dolphins that the Dolphins are horrible. And don't get me
started on the Nike ification of the NFL with all
the alternate look I will gladly say, get off my launch.
(10:25):
I want to be able to turn on an NFL
game and know right away who's playing. I don't want
to have to sift through throwbacks and alternate uniforms and
what are they wearing this week? That drives me crazy,
and it's all Nike's fall.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Talking to Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk Live. You
can see that show at preceed tours on Peacock. He
also contributes to NBC Football Night in America. I'm trying
to figure out what's going on with the Rams with
Matthew Stafford, because every time Sean McVay gets in front
of the media, he says the same thing but uses
different words. Here is Sean McVay talking about Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
It was good to be able to have Matthew out there.
He did a good job today. I thought he looked good.
But you know, I don't really have any updates. You know,
I think there was a lot of intended information, but
there's no updates. We're going to keep it a day
and really a week at a time, but you know,
we'll see how this afternoon goes and tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Okay, Mike, what's going on here?
Speaker 4 (11:26):
The key is when he says a week at a time,
they're still concerned that this back problem isn't resolved. That
the goal was to give him a long runway between
when he had the epidural in June and when he
started throwing and practicing. And the idea was when he
comes back, he's fine, it's not an issue.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
It's over. It's calm down.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
He can go play seventeen games without it acting up.
That didn't fly. He threw sixty eight passes on Saturday
last He was supposed to practice the following Monday, and
all of a sudden he doesn't. And for Matthew Stafford,
that's a big deal because this guy is tough as nails.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
He's John Wayne.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
He's gonna fight through anything, any pain, any discomfort, and
he doesn't care, and so the fact that he practiced yesterday,
it's all very tentative, he said Stafford, I mean m McVeigh,
excuse me, said, we'll see how the afternoon goes. Like
they're constantly going to be watching him, how's he reacting
to every workout, every practice, every game, every throw.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
And I think this is gonna hover over them into
the regular.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Season and then he's gonna start getting hit during games.
It's not gonna get any better. So I think they
need to feel very good about their backups. It's Jimmy
Garoppolo and Stetson Bennett, and we may see Garoppolo play
at some point in the regular season because this just
doesn't feel like it's sustainable for seventeen regular season games.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Well, I thought the tell was that Garoppolo didn't play
at all this last game, that Stetson Bennett played every
single play, as if Sean McVay is saying, I can't
have you out there and risk you getting injured, and
I have Matthew Stafford who might not be ready to go,
So they sent Stetson Bennett out there to throw forty pounds.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
They went through this last year they had to be
sure Stetson Bennett was ready to back up Matthew Stafford
for the first two games of the season because Garoppolo
was suspended, so they had to trust Bennett. And they
have to have Bennett ready in the event that he's
the number two to Garoppolo, and I think they'll keep
Garoppolo in bubble wrap in the event that they've got
to play him week one. It'll probably be Stetson, Bennett
(13:27):
and Dresser win this weekend in the preseason finale, and
they just got to hope for the best.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
I mean, Stafford is one of the toughest.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Guys that I've seen in years in the NFL, and
he doesn't complain.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
I think he's had injuries nobody knows about, not even
his wife. He just shuts up and he goes.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
But this is one, I mean back issues, I mean
wants That thing grabs you.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
It changes you, and.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
It's not easy and I don't know how many I
don't know how many tour it all shots you can
take to overcome it. But I think it's just going
to be a day to day, week to week thing.
And right now, I don't feel confident.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
One way or the other.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
He's going to be good to go week one. I
don't think anybody knows if he's going to be good
to go week one.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Who's more Hall of famey. We had this two weeks ago,
Matthew Stafford or Russell Wilson Junior the third?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Oh oh, without question? Stafford without question.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I mean what Wilson has has slipped the past few years.
And I remember when Eli Manning was in the final
years of his career. Shreen Williams, who works with as
a PFT and is one of the Hall of Fame voters,
she expressed the concern to me that if Eli hangs
around like this, he's gonna undermine his case. Russell Wilson
has undermined his case the past few years. Remember Kurt
(14:37):
Warner had that and then he sprang back to the
Super Bowl with the Cardinals. I mean, Russell Wilson is
gonna make it harder for him to get in the
longer he plays, and he's a shadow of what he
was when he was at his best.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
I think Stafford is that guy.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
His numbers are incredible, He's higher and higher on the
all time list, and he's just kind of I think
it's because of his time in Detroit day and we
just never really noticed him.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
But he's been one of the greats and he hasn't had.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
That dip, and he's got the Super Bowl win and
he's still going strong at thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
What if we reversed their career so Stafford wins early
and then doesn't do anything, whereas Russ doesn't do anything,
and then all of a sudden is in eight or
nine Pro Bowls, he goes to two Super Bowls, he win, Like,
what have you ever looked at if we re reversed careers,
(15:31):
how we would look at some of these players?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Oh, I think it's always better to finish strong.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
But when you say not do anything, even when Stafford
was losing, he was great. Wilson has been statistically not great,
and just the eyeball test, he's not the guy that
he used to be.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Stafford's always got ten Pro Bowls, Mike, he's got ten,
Stafford's got two. Well, Russ has better stats.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, now look at the career numbers, though, Look at
the career numbers. Stafford is inching higher and higher on
the all time list.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
I just think that it's gone so badly since Russell
Wilson was traded to the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
And this is what he wanted. He wanted it to
be all about him. He wanted to let Russ cook.
And what happened from the moment he got to Denver,
the career has gone off the rails.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
And yeah, last year in Pittsburgh there were moments, but boy,
it fell apart down the stretch and who knows.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Hey, he still throws a beautiful deep ball. That pass
he through.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
The Steelers would't let him throw down in the middle of
the field last year. They thought he was too short
to throw down in the middlefield. Beautiful eighty yard pass
down the middle of the field. He still can do it.
The question is when it starts to fall apart, can
he get away from pressure.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
He used to be able to do it, Now he can't.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
He's Mike Florio and once again, his book is definitely
not about the NFL. It's a novel he's called Big
Shield and the debuts today on Amazon, A tale of Gambling,
the Mob and Pro Football. Once again, definitely not about
the NFL.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
You can be a witness when they sue me.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Thank you, Mikey Dan. That's Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live.
You can see that show with Chris Sims prior to
this one on Peacock we take a break. He is
the director and producer of a new documentary that drops today.
It's about the Dallas Cowboys. We'll come back with that
after this.
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Speaker 2 (18:14):
More of your phone calls coming up EH seven seven
to three. DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter
handle dp show. The documentary available today America's Team, The
Gambler and His Cowboys. It chronicles Jerry Jones and the
era of the Cowboys, the good years, the nineties, the dynasty,
(18:34):
but also some controversies and key figures. McLain way is
the producer director, and he and his brother have done
a wonderful job with Netflix with the Untold documentaries. Who
set the parameters here, McLain of what you could and
could not talk about with the Cowboys?
Speaker 5 (18:52):
We did?
Speaker 9 (18:53):
You know, It's like Jerry was one of our first
questions when we hop on the project. You always want
to know, like, wait, who gets to what goes in
and what goes out of a project. And luckily we've
been making documentaries with Netflix for over ten years and
they're really trusted partners and we work with them a lot,
and ultimately they they got to the kind of decide
as we would send them cuts and things like that.
(19:14):
So Jerry was an open book. There were no questions
that were off the table, and honestly, it was like
incredibly supportive of the documentary and what we made. And
when we showed him the documentary, he said that there
were very painful reminders for him. So I think he
liked parts of it. I think there are other parts
that were a little tough for him to watch, but
(19:36):
all in always very supportive.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
What era does this cover?
Speaker 9 (19:41):
Yeah, this is mostly focused on like the early nineties,
you know. I think episode seven gets us about halfway
through to what the Michael Irvin trial was, which has
happened about three weeks after they won their third Super Bowl.
So it's mostly chronological and linear, but starts with Jerry
striking oil and netting himself for a one hundred million
dollars going and buying the Dallas Cowboys from bum Bright,
(20:04):
firing Tom Landry and igniting an incredible amount of controversy,
brings in Jimmy Johnson, his friend from you know, when
he was seventeen years old. They went back to back
Super Bowl's, massive divorce between the two of them, brings
in Barry Switzer to win one more, and then we
kind of quickly get into, you know, kind of the downfall,
the decline of this team on the field and this
(20:25):
thirty year year, thirty year streak of not really being
able to replicate that Super Bowl success.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
What's the wildest story in the documentary?
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Uh, there was a lot. I mean, I think that
this documentary is like a big reason why we jumped
on it is a bit of a murderer's row of
talking heads, like, yes, Jerry is a big and larger
than life character, Jimmy is as well. You got Michael
Troy Emnett, and then you got Dion. He comes in
in episode five. So that was a huge reason why
we obviously jumped at this. There were fun stories about
(20:58):
the halftime the first Super Bowl at Pasadena because Michael
Jackson played the halftime show, and so Michael Irvin and
Charles Haley dipped out on Jimmy Johnson's halftime speech to
go watch Michael Jackson to Thriller at the Rose Bowl,
and so stuff like that was things that I didn't
quite know about. But as these guys roll into these stories,
(21:18):
all of a sudden, they're telling you about how they
go watch Michael Jackson. So stuff like that was always
super fun.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Did Dion talk about going to a hotel room and
walking in and seeing Michael in bed with a bunch
of women and Dion said Mike, I don't live this
way and walked out of the hotel room.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
It's it's a story that sounds familiar. I don't think
it was deon standers. I heard that story from Michael,
but it was Terrell Owens, And it was Terrell Owens
that came into a hotel room, and it was right
after there might be.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
There might be a number of people who experienced that true.
Just to be honest with you, was there dealm You.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
Have some options of people that you want to choose from.
But I heard it was Mike Tyson after he got
out of prison, and they all went into a limo
and had a nice suite in Vegas, and Torell Owens
came in and his eyes got his big ast saucers,
and apparently he said, I can't I don't live this life.
I can't do this, and so they Mike and Mike
scared away. T O apparently is the story that I
(22:24):
was told.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
We learn anything new about Jimmy Johnson's exit from the Cowboys.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
Yeah, I mean, I think that the access to both
Jerry and Jimmy was fundamental and crucial to why we
wanted to make this documentary. Serious, and I know that
they've spoken at length, almost separately about their relationship, and
then when they have gotten together to chat about it,
it's maybe like a short segment that they did on Fox.
(22:52):
But for us, our opportunity was we got to sit
down with Jimmy for a full day I think seven
hours of interviews, and we filmed with them a couple
more days and then Jerry, we interviewed for about forty hours.
So for us, the opportunity to go deep with these
guys was really what drew us to it. And obviously
I know that it's been covered for years, and I
think that this is there's an element of this is true,
(23:13):
which is their egos got too big. They had a
massive credit argument and they tried to claim more credit
than the other one felt, and I certainly think that
that's a part of their story. But for us, we
tried to go a little bit deeper, you know. For Jerry,
I felt that what ultimately I ended up kind of
feeling as I made this documentary series was this was
(23:33):
a guy who had a transformative experience in college. It
was the best moment of his life. He won the
nineteen sixty four National championship at the University of Arkansas.
Years later, he nets himself one hundred million dollars and
he does what maybe I would do or my friends
would do if they won one hundred million dollars over night,
they go and they buy the Dallas Cowboys. And I
think he did that in an attempt to kind of
(23:54):
recapture a really big, beautiful, transformative part of his life
in college. And he hires a guy that he's known
since he's seventeen years old. But Jimmy's point is, like, Jerry,
you hired me to do a job, and I need
to go out and convince these players day and day
out to go sacrifice their body and their health so
that we can win Lombardi Trophies. And every Sunday they
(24:16):
need to go and do that. But the locker room practice,
these are my areas. And when you come in you
can be a distraction in that endeavor. When you bring
camera ESPN cameras into the draft room, things like that.
I think ultimately started just really rubbing these guys the
wrong way. So they kind of almost had different schools
of thought. I would say, and listen, there's still some
(24:36):
things that these guys are never gonna agree on. If
you get them in the same room and ask them
who deserves credit for the herschel Walker trade, you're just
you're never gonna get the same answer.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
You know.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
They're just that's how they feel, and that's how they're
always gonna feel. But I do think that they still
have a lot of actual respect and admiration that's grown
for each other. They've always had that to a certain degree,
and I think that that's beautiful. It's okay to disagree
with people forever and still get along.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Jerry and Jimmy Teach McLain way, producer, director, co director,
executive producer of the new documentary on Netflix, America's Team,
The Gambler and his Cowboys. I started to think about
this with Jerry, and it's hard to tell a billionaire
that they're wrong, and you know, nobody's going to tell
Jerry's not going to listen to anybody. But I go
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back in his coaching tree and it felt like there
were only two coaches who didn't need Jerry Jerry, you know,
Brian Schottenheimer, Jason Garrett, Dave Campbell, Like these guys all
needed this job. They needed Jerry, Bill Parcells did not
need Jerry and Jimmy Johnson did not. Does Jerry talk
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about who he's hired or why he's hired these coaches?
Who this is America's team. You would think you could
get any coach that you wanted to coach these teams.
Speaker 9 (25:52):
Yeah, it's a great question. And actually I didn't really
dive into Jerry too much throughout the you know, each
an individual head coach that he's hired over the years,
but we hung out a lot as he was making
the Schottenheimer decision. And I don't know for better or worse,
And I listen, I did not grow up a Cowboys fan,
so I you grew up in Los Angeles in the
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late nineties, so I unfortunately didn't have an NFL team
to root for. But so I didn't quite feel it
as hard as the fans do. But Jerry, as he
neared the Schottenheimer decision, talked about comfortability. That was like
a big word that he used time and time again.
He was comfortable with Shot and Himer comfortable with Shottenheimer,
which did strike me as unique because this is a
(26:34):
guy that has taken risk after risk after risk, and
even with something like the Johnny Manziel story, that he
kind of tells about Steven being like, we're not going
to draft Johnny Manzel and Jerry being like, all right,
we're not going to draft Jenny Manzel. But Jerry's retort is,
you know, that was a middle of the road decision,
and I didn't build the Dallas Cowboys the way I
did By making middle of the road decisions. You have
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to take risks because the reward is just, you know,
ten x what you can get. But Seoanheimer was a
comfortable decision for Jerry. And I don't know if that's
because he feels like he's very close to what he where.
He ultimately wants to get to a super Bowl and
he doesn't want to change things up too much. But
I was a little like, okay, interesting, we're not really
making like a big, risky, splashy choice here. He's going
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to go with someone that he's comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
There's a quote that's attributed to The Athletic and it's
the cowboys twenty twenty three playoff loss to the Packers
where midway through the fourth quarter it's forty eight to sixteen,
and Jerry in the documentary says this loss hurt us
in every way more than anyone we've ever had. That's
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the worst loss in Jerry Jones's career.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
That's what he said. And man, we' were with that
team a lot in twenty twenty three, and ultimately, I
think if they would have had a deep playoff run,
it probably would have been a larger part of the
documentary series kind of following the team on the road
that year and filming them a lot. And listen, I
was on the Cowboy hype trained that year too, because
you know, they were kind of undefeated at home. They
had won I think like sixteen games at AT and
(28:06):
T and they were coming in to play Green Bay,
and I you know, I think they were the favorite.
I was looking forward to that game. But watching Jerry
watch that game, I mean, that family got shell shocked
that game. There there's no doubt. Jerry was quiet and
intense as he was watching what felt like a very
(28:26):
good chance for hopefully a playoff run kind of crumble
in front of him. And there was no doubt. I
mean it was like after that game. We had been
at Cowboys games after losses before. This one was different. Obviously,
it's the end of the season, so it carries that way,
but it just felt like this family had been through
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oh very terrible experience watching watching Green Bay put up
the numbers that they did against against the Cowboys, and
no doubt Jerry said this loss hurt. It hurt on
so many different levels, is what he said. He said,
it hurt set us back, It was a financial pain,
It was a lot that he was talking about that
that loss in many ways. So yeah, I think it
is the worst loss he ever experienced.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Does Jerry care too much?
Speaker 10 (29:13):
You know?
Speaker 9 (29:13):
It's interesting I think that Again, I wasn't a fan,
so I know the thirty years that it's been, you know, conceptually,
but I don't quite feel it as a fan, so
I don't quite know what that pain feels like. But
the one thing that sometimes I would read that I
just personally disagreed with was like that Jerry doesn't want
to win. It's like all this family wants is one
(29:36):
more super Bowl for Jerry, Like they really like. My
experience just being around them is like, yes, this is
a tremendously successful franchise. Off field, they do the brand building,
they do the people talking about the team incredibly incredibly well.
But at the end of the at the end of
the day. I think that they are starting to get
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that sense of urgency that listen, and I think even
Charlot says it's in the documentary. We don't have a
lot of those next seasons. Well, there's always next seasons
because their dad is getting older and older. And I
think more than anything, what this family wants for Jerry
is one more super Bowl. And I think Jerry certainly
wants that.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Too, being around him, knowing what's going on with Micah Parsons.
Your sense is what.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
My sense is that Jerry is like very comfortable in
these situations. And I don't know if that's a good
thing or a bad thing. I think we probably Cowboys
fans it's it's not a good thing. But I don't
think that he sweats in these situations, which I think
normally motivates most people to be like, all right, I
gotta go sign one of my star players to a
(30:41):
long term contract and lock him up early. And for
some reason, Jerry doesn't quite feel that ert that that that,
you know, he even says it. He's like, I'm comfortable
being uncomfortable. I'm comfortable with ambiguity, you know. And so
it was it was an interesting process. I to see
him be like that, So I don't know why he
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necessarily does these things the way he does, or maybe
there's more information I don't know. Maybe maybe there's things
on Micah's team that they're not responding to or doing.
I don't know enough about it, but I know that
Jerry is very comfortable in these situations, which doesn't make
me think that things are going to change necessarily.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
What's the next documentary with you and your brother?
Speaker 9 (31:22):
Oh, actually we don't know. Actually, we're gonna take a
little time off. We had a three part doc that
came out in December of this last year that that
took us a while, and then this was an ad parter.
So we do do the Untold series on Netflix. Will
probably jump back in and do a little bit more
hands on producing there, which we're really excited about. But
right now we don't. We don't have anything in the hopper.
(31:44):
We're gonna take a little time off and then try
and tackle something, hopefully as big. But this one was
This one was tremendously fun. I mean it was the
first football documentary we made. I absolutely fell in love
with the sport and just following the Cowboys around and
really getting to meet the guys, Troy m and Michael, Dion, Barry, Jimmy.
They were all just phenomenal, phenomenal interviews.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Congrats to you and your brother, great stuff and good
luck with the documentary.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
Awesome, Thanks so much for having me on Den.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
That's McLain way, producer director. He's the co director executive
producer of the new documentary on Netflix, America's Team The Gambler,
and he's Cowboys. I'm sure it'll do quite well. But
you know, it's one thing. If you're watching the Cowboys play,
you can watch them play because you either love them
or you hate them. A documentary, I don't know if
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you're tuning in if you don't like the Cowboys. Are
you tuning in if you love the Cowboys? Obviously you are,
But it's different when you're watching you if it's notating
football or duke basketball. There's just certain teams that are polarizing,
and that's why the Cowboys are still probably the biggest
draw on all of sports. We'll take a break. More
(32:56):
phone calls coming up, we'll update our poll results, and
we're back after this in the Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
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Speaker 2 (33:13):
David in Ohio, Hi David, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9 (33:18):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (33:18):
Good morning, Dan. Yeah, I think Paul is definitely onto
something with the uniforms and the Washington Commanders, and what
do you expect when he got a franchise that Jesus
Tuddy the pig is their mascot. I got a thought,
why don't we just change the color like to bacon
color or something like that for the uniforms. I don't
know anybody that doesn't like bacon.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
So thank you, all right, David, Thank you. Yeah. I
was there during the peak years for the Hogs when
Thaisman was quarterbacking and Rigo was there in Art Monk
and Gary Clark and Ricky Sanders. They had great, great
teams back then. Andy had a Hall of Famer and
(33:59):
Joe Gibb. By the way, DraftKings just put out the
odds for the first pick in the twenty twenty six
NFL Draft. First pick. Now, I will say this, it's
obviously taking into consideration what arch Manning, grandfather Archie Manning
(34:20):
said that it's kind of obvious that he's going to
go back to Texas for another year, which is what
I told you quite a while ago, And that was
just intel that said this isn't He knows that he
needs a good thirty to thirty five starts before he
goes into the NFL. Uh So one, two, three four.
Arch Manning has the fifth best odds to be the
(34:42):
number one pick in the draft. Anybody want to take it? Oh,
Marvin's got his hand up already. Club Nick out of Clemson. No,
he's fourth on the list. Satan Penn State quarterback Drew Aller, Yes,
ding Ding Ding Ding Days stinking nailed it. Yeah, you
(35:07):
did it. Okay. There's one player who's getting a lot
of attention, a lot of attention. Well, maybe not that
much attention, because you're all looking at me like, huh okay.
His name is Leonoris Sellars, Sellers, Sellers. He's gotten a
(35:33):
whole lot of attention, a whole lot of attention. South
Carolina Caid klub Nick, Garrett Nussmeyer, and then arch Manning
for the number one overall pick. I also saw this.
Now I am kind of infatuated with the fact that
Shoheo Tani's odds to win the MVP are minus twenty thousand,
(35:56):
and second on the list is Kyle Schwarbert plus thirteen hundred.
That's a really, really, really really big discrepancy, whereas in
the American League Aaron Judge minus one forty, Cal Rawley
is plus one oh five. You know, he got Seattle
in the playoff race. Raleigh would see have forty eight
(36:16):
home runs, forty six home runs something like that. He'd
have to hit sixty home runs and they make the playoffs,
and I think he could win the MVP. But Aaron
Judge has really good numbers.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, Pauling, it's interesting that Otani's almost getting credit for
being a pitcher while barely really pitching. I think he's
less than twenty innings this season, maybe twenty two innings,
so he's not His value as a pitcher hasn't been
seen yet, but it's like it's his award until someone
steals it from him.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah, it'd be really really difficult if he if he's
able to do both and just is a good pitcher
but still a great hitter or power hitter. It's just,
I'm not gonna say, an unfair advantage because he created
the unfair advantage, and you have to put up something
incredible if you're gonna knock him off that perch Uh
(37:11):
Prince in Tampa, Hi Prince, what's on your mind?
Speaker 10 (37:14):
Hey, we're going on Dan six foot sixty yep. I
want to talk about this shador Stantas situation. I think
he's the only one with outside and you know, I
know that Tom Brady is his mentor. And you know,
when he played his first game at Colorado, he played
a TCU team that was you know, inter national championship
(37:35):
the year before, and he competed all four quarters without
an on line and a defense. Mytsumption is, what do
you think he's going to be you know, assume he
plays this year, what do you think his outside would
be like next year?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
On the grounds, Well, depends on how much playing time
he gets. Keep in mind, you had all these analysts
who said that he's been set up to fail, which
I said, you guys are stupid. Now he gets to
play with the first team, Now he gets reps. Now
he gets to go into a game where he's got
you know, starting lineup with him. It was for him
(38:07):
to succeed, not fail. And I've you know, seen him
that first year at Colorado, they should have given them
the Purple Heart. You know, forget the Heisman because he
took a beating. Now, some of that is his own
making holding onto the ball. He's not that athletic, but
I see a great upside to him. Composure is so important.
(38:28):
You know, there's certain quarterbacks that they just have it,
and I just think he has it now. The reason
why he slipped, let's be honest, he didn't interview well.
I don't think it was football per se. I think
it was his attitude and I think that rubbed a
lot of people the wrong way. And information is shared.
(38:49):
It doesn't take long for a bad interview with the Giants,
then all of a sudden, some other team, and then
some other team, and then some other team. They know
the same thing. And while we can say tom Brady
is his I put an asterisk by that because Tom
Brady is a powerful man with the Raiders and they
could have drafted him and they didn't, and that I
(39:09):
thought was very telling because you could have gotten him
as a backup quarterback if you wanted to for Gino
Smith for two years. But I do think he's going
to play. I think he'll start games this year, and
I hope he plays well. I think you know he's
earned that opportunity. Jesse in South Dakota, Hi, Jess, what's
on your mind?
Speaker 9 (39:30):
Dan?
Speaker 12 (39:31):
Third time? Long time? Maybe last time? Suck at Fritzy
number one first off T shirt idea from your voting
adventures over the weekend. How about just a Captain Oblivious shirt? Okay,
kind of play an off of Fritzi's Captain Obvious with
your hat and maybe you holding a fuel can or something.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Okay, thank you? Anything else? Jess?
Speaker 12 (39:57):
All right, I've been a Washington football fan my whole life,
but I've hated these colors since I was a kid.
I've refused to wear them since I was like a teenager.
So I've got a whole big branding thing. And that
also refused to call him the Commanders. I was in
DC back in January when we destroyed the Lions and
the playoffs. They were celebrating all over the streets. It
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was such a cool experience, but I didn't hear anybody
chanting or talking about the Commanders. And I'm just curious
to hear what James and Virginia's take would be on that.
But I don't love the colors and do not like
the name commanders.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
All right, thank you Jesse. It's Jesse in South Dakota.
Sometimes the old uniform and you were successful with that
or given your age, that's why if you're over the
age of fifty, you probably don't like these uniforms because
you think back to the hogs in Rego and all
those great memories. I get it. Final hour in this
(40:53):
Tuesday coming up. We love talking to Chase Daniel. He
makes us smarter. He'll, I'm sure have all already broken
down the game film from some of these preseason games
with these quarterbacks. Back after this
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
In this Tuesday, the popular Mike Florio from NBC Sports
will stop by here in a moment and the director
of the documentary on the Dallas Cowboys that's set to
be released. It's called America's Team, The Gambler and His Cowboys.
We'll talk to the director and producer, McLain way. He
(00:26):
and his brother part of Netflix sports documentary series. I'm
told they also did Mattles at the Palace, They did
the Mantai Teo story, the Girlfriend who Didn't Exist, They
did Johnny Football Crimes and Penalties, and many other So
there's a documentary that's coming out and coming out today
on Netflix, so we'll talk to him. Coming up, Chase
(00:47):
Daniel will break down some of the film. Nobody does
it better than he does. Former quarterback. He'll break down
some of these preseason performances that we've seen and why
we should be very excited or maybe we the cooler
jets on that Bengals beat the Commanders, and a breakout
night for Mitchell Tinsley. He played at Western Kentucky Community
(01:09):
College also and Penn State for one year. He had
a couple of touchdown receptions and then you find out,
look at that depth chart, he's probably not even gonna
make the roster. Mitchell Tinsley, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I have him as the seventh wide receiver on the
depth chart.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
They'll probably keeps six that he might be a practice
squad guy, our starting lineup. Fritzy very very popular with
the listeners and of course with us as well. He's
the minister of humor. Seaton's here, Marvin Paulie, yours truly
in the Brgs. Matthew Stafford still iffy for the Rams.
I know Sean McVay. It's like he's looking for different
(01:47):
ways to describe what's going on without giving too much information.
It just feels like Matthew Stafford on the outside looking in.
And we saw Stetson Bennett. He played every snap. Now,
maybe they don't want to put in Jimmy Garoppolo because
they don't want to have him out there. Maybe he
gets hurt because he is your backup quarterback. And Joe Flacco,
(02:09):
as I told you all of this talk of everybody
they brought in and draft picks, and I said they're
going to start Joe Flacco. But that doesn't mean some
of these other quarterbacks, certainly Shadoor Sanders won't get playing
time this year. Setan what's the poll question? And then
we'll get to Mike Florio. They we're just putting up
there a new one from Paul. Whose career Would you
(02:30):
want Joe Flacco or Philip Rivers? Oh? Well, well, one
has a chance for the Hall of Fame. One did
win a Super Bowl gets another this year too. Oh
if he wins a Super Bowl this year, I'll personally
(02:52):
carry him to the Hall of Fame. Yes, Paul. Joe
Flacco never.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Even made a Pro Bowl as an alternate in his
entire career, but as a Super Bowl and VP. Yeah,
Philip Rivers, I think at least eight Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, that one's interesting. Let's bring in Mike Florio, the
popular host of Pro Football Talk lot. Let me start there, Mike,
whose career do you want Joe Flacco or do you
want Philip Rivers?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Probably Flacco because it's the ultimate team sport.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
You want to win a Super Bowl. He won a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
He was twice the highest paid player in all of football.
And I love the fact. D And when you think
about true franchise quarterbacks, guys who were once paid more
than anyone else in the sport.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
For him to be willing to humble himself and be a.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Backup for years and just keep playing, keep going, how
many guys do that? Could you imagine Peyton Manning holding
a clipboard once his starting days ended. It really is
refreshing to see a guy who loves the sport so
much he hangs around he gets his chance. And off
of Paul's point about the Pro Bowl, my favorite fact
about the current Cleveland Browns roster at quarterback. They have
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six guys and one Pro Bowler, Tyler Huntley. The other
five no Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Mike's latest novel, Big Shield, debuts today on Amazon. The
Tale of Gambling, the Mob, and Pro Football. But for
legal reasons, it's definitely not about the NFL.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I can't stop you. You know, there's a franchise in Vegas.
There's a franchise in Baltimore. There's a franchise in Minnesota.
I can't stop the reader from envisioning the colors and
the logos and the name. But for legal reasons, I
just go with Vegas, Baltimore, Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
They can't copyright city and state.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Names do you expect to hear from the NFL.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
No, I think they'll ignore the book.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
I think it will bother them enough that they'll ignore it,
that that'll be the strategy. However, they should like it,
because Dan, it's a cautionary tale about what can happen
with inside information.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
There's so much inside information out there.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Who's re injured, who's not, what's the game plan, who's
going to get the ball?
Speaker 5 (05:03):
All sorts of things before games and during games.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I know they're concerned about guys on the sidelines giving
signals to people who would lock in micro bets for
runner pass. Coincidentally, that's what happens in this book. That's
the premise. A backup quarterback for the Vegas franchise of
a fictional pro football league gets tied in with a
mobster and it all kind of goes from there where
(05:27):
this relationship has ups and downs and twists and turns,
and four hundred pages later you get a resolution.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's a called Big Shield. Now the NFL is called
the Shield.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Mike, Well, that's right, and I loosely refer to the
NFL as Big Shield. So it's all part of the game. Look,
I want that, did you see the Billy Joel documentary.
The best thing that ever happened to him was the
Catholic Church banning.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Only the Good Die Young.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
He sent them a note saying, will you please ban
my other songs? When people like they're not supposed to
read or watch or listen to something, it makes them
want it even more.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Do you want the NFL to sue you?
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Oh, they won't sue me. No, Dan won't.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
They won't sue me because nothing in here infringes on
any of their copyrights. And it's a pure work of
fiction that there's nothing in there that libels anyone. All
the characters are made up, The whole thing is completely
made up. The only issue would be copyrights. I don't
use NFL, I don't use team names. I'm I'm I'm
safe there now, if they would want to assume me,
(06:31):
if it would help book sales, then you know I would.
I would deal with that. But they won't. They'll ignore it.
Like they remember the film Concussion. They were scared to
death of that movie, and their strategy was to ignore it,
and they did, and it worked.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
It didn't really move the needle.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. Whole
smelling salts. We know it's supposed to mask a concussion, right,
Why are they allowing you to still bring in something
it's bring your own smelling salts to mask concussions. Shouldn't
(07:07):
you make that illegal so we can detect if you
have a concussion.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
This is one of the realities of collective bargaining, and
collective bargaining can be very good, but it also can
become ridiculous because if the league were to go to
the players and say we want a complete and total
ban on smelling salts, the players would be inclined to say,
what's in it for us? If you want the ban,
we're going to say we don't, so we can get
(07:35):
something from you to give you what you want.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
And it works both ways.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Look, marijuana legal in most of the states now where
the NFL does business.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Why don't we just get rid of it.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Well, it's a collective bargaining issue, So what's in it
for us?
Speaker 5 (07:50):
This is the NFL.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
What's in it for us if we agree to get
rid of it. So it's ludicrous when the union sent
out to the players, oh, hey, you can still bring
your own it's like, wait a minute, is this.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Really a good idea.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Should they be having these things around, should they be
using these things? Yeah, the whole thing's ridiculous, and the
sooner those things are off the sideline, the better off
everyone will be.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
This garnered a lot of headlines, but we know why.
It's Shudoor Sanders, Dylan Gabriel and Dylan Gabriel saying that. Basically,
there's entertainers and then he's a competitor, and people thought
he's referencing Shador Sanders. Did you hear it that way,
that he was referencing people in the media and not
shud Or Sanders.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Well, I think it's reasonable to look at those comments
and consider the context and come to the conclusion that
he was making a comment about Shudhur Sanders. I think
that's not an unreasonable reaction. And that's what happens when
you put your words out there into the public space
for consumption, people are going to come to.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Whatever conclusions they want.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I didn't take it that way, but I could see
somebody looking at that and thinking, oh, he's taking a
little bit of.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
A shot there.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
At the end of the day, he is a head
I mean, he walked through the door with the mindset
He's going to be the starter. He's become the starter
everywhere he's been. The Browns quarterback depth Charty's fascinating Dan.
And they're a week away from having to decide how
many of these guys are they gonna have on the
fifty three man roster. I think Kenny Pickett's going to
be the odd man out. I think it's gonna be
Flacco and the two Rickeys rookies competing and or entertaining
(09:20):
all of us throughout the course of the twenty twenty
five season.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
We spent a good portion of the first hour talking
about how bad the commander's uniforms look. According to Pauli,
he thinks they're the worst uniforms in the NFL. Then
he gave me his bottom five in there. I'll ask you,
where do you sit on the commander's uniforms home uniforms.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I don't think they're that bad. Now, there were worse.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
The Dolphins I think are the worst. The Dolphins based
uniforms are horrible. They should make their throwbacks their full
time uniforms. I mean they're worried about the perception that
they're soft. Those uniforms screen soft.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Right, you see the throwbacks. The throwbacks are badass.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Like if you want to make and you ask any
NFL player, how you look is how you feel. The projection,
the image, everything the toughness at all oozes from how
you look. So I think the Commanders are fine, the
Dolphins that the Dolphins are horrible. And don't get me
started on the Nike ification of the NFL with all
the alternate look I will gladly say, get off my launch.
(10:25):
I want to be able to turn on an NFL
game and know right away who's playing. I don't want
to have to sift through throwbacks and alternate uniforms and
what are they wearing this week? That drives me crazy,
and it's all Nike's fall.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Talking to Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk Live. You
can see that show at preceed tours on Peacock. He
also contributes to NBC Football Night in America. I'm trying
to figure out what's going on with the Rams with
Matthew Stafford, because every time Sean McVay gets in front
of the media, he says the same thing but uses
different words. Here is Sean McVay talking about Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
It was good to be able to have Matthew out there.
He did a good job today. I thought he looked good.
But you know, I don't really have any updates. You know,
I think there was a lot of intended information, but
there's no updates. We're going to keep it a day
and really a week at a time, but you know,
we'll see how this afternoon goes and tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Okay, Mike, what's going on here?
Speaker 4 (11:26):
The key is when he says a week at a time,
they're still concerned that this back problem isn't resolved. That
the goal was to give him a long runway between
when he had the epidural in June and when he
started throwing and practicing. And the idea was when he
comes back, he's fine, it's not an issue.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
It's over. It's calm down.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
He can go play seventeen games without it acting up.
That didn't fly. He threw sixty eight passes on Saturday
last He was supposed to practice the following Monday, and
all of a sudden he doesn't. And for Matthew Stafford,
that's a big deal because this guy is tough as nails.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
He's John Wayne.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
He's gonna fight through anything, any pain, any discomfort, and
he doesn't care, and so the fact that he practiced yesterday,
it's all very tentative, he said Stafford, I mean m McVeigh,
excuse me, said, we'll see how the afternoon goes. Like
they're constantly going to be watching him, how's he reacting
to every workout, every practice, every game, every throw.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
And I think this is gonna hover over them into
the regular.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Season and then he's gonna start getting hit during games.
It's not gonna get any better. So I think they
need to feel very good about their backups. It's Jimmy
Garoppolo and Stetson Bennett, and we may see Garoppolo play
at some point in the regular season because this just
doesn't feel like it's sustainable for seventeen regular season games.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Well, I thought the tell was that Garoppolo didn't play
at all this last game, that Stetson Bennett played every
single play, as if Sean McVay is saying, I can't
have you out there and risk you getting injured, and
I have Matthew Stafford who might not be ready to go,
So they sent Stetson Bennett out there to throw forty pounds.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
They went through this last year they had to be
sure Stetson Bennett was ready to back up Matthew Stafford
for the first two games of the season because Garoppolo
was suspended, so they had to trust Bennett. And they
have to have Bennett ready in the event that he's
the number two to Garoppolo, and I think they'll keep
Garoppolo in bubble wrap in the event that they've got
to play him week one. It'll probably be Stetson, Bennett
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and Dresser win this weekend in the preseason finale, and
they just got to hope for the best.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
I mean, Stafford is one of the toughest.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Guys that I've seen in years in the NFL, and
he doesn't complain.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
I think he's had injuries nobody knows about, not even
his wife. He just shuts up and he goes.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
But this is one, I mean back issues, I mean
wants That thing grabs you.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
It changes you, and.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
It's not easy and I don't know how many I
don't know how many tour it all shots you can
take to overcome it. But I think it's just going
to be a day to day, week to week thing.
And right now, I don't feel confident.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
One way or the other.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
He's going to be good to go week one. I
don't think anybody knows if he's going to be good
to go week one.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Who's more Hall of famey. We had this two weeks ago,
Matthew Stafford or Russell Wilson Junior the third?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Oh oh, without question? Stafford without question.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I mean what Wilson has has slipped the past few years.
And I remember when Eli Manning was in the final
years of his career. Shreen Williams, who works with as
a PFT and is one of the Hall of Fame voters,
she expressed the concern to me that if Eli hangs
around like this, he's gonna undermine his case. Russell Wilson
has undermined his case the past few years. Remember Kurt
(14:37):
Warner had that and then he sprang back to the
Super Bowl with the Cardinals. I mean, Russell Wilson is
gonna make it harder for him to get in the
longer he plays, and he's a shadow of what he
was when he was at his best.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
I think Stafford is that guy.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
His numbers are incredible, He's higher and higher on the
all time list, and he's just kind of I think
it's because of his time in Detroit day and we
just never really noticed him.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
But he's been one of the greats and he hasn't had.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
That dip, and he's got the Super Bowl win and
he's still going strong at thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
What if we reversed their career so Stafford wins early
and then doesn't do anything, whereas Russ doesn't do anything,
and then all of a sudden is in eight or
nine Pro Bowls, he goes to two Super Bowls, he win, Like,
what have you ever looked at if we re reversed careers,
(15:31):
how we would look at some of these players?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Oh, I think it's always better to finish strong.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
But when you say not do anything, even when Stafford
was losing, he was great. Wilson has been statistically not great,
and just the eyeball test, he's not the guy that
he used to be.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Stafford's always got ten Pro Bowls, Mike, he's got ten,
Stafford's got two. Well, Russ has better stats.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, now look at the career numbers, though, Look at
the career numbers. Stafford is inching higher and higher on
the all time list.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
I just think that it's gone so badly since Russell
Wilson was traded to the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
And this is what he wanted. He wanted it to
be all about him. He wanted to let Russ cook.
And what happened from the moment he got to Denver,
the career has gone off the rails.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
And yeah, last year in Pittsburgh there were moments, but boy,
it fell apart down the stretch and who knows.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Hey, he still throws a beautiful deep ball. That pass
he through.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
The Steelers would't let him throw down in the middle of
the field last year. They thought he was too short
to throw down in the middlefield. Beautiful eighty yard pass
down the middle of the field. He still can do it.
The question is when it starts to fall apart, can
he get away from pressure.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
He used to be able to do it, Now he can't.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
He's Mike Florio and once again, his book is definitely
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Speaker 5 (17:04):
You can be a witness when they sue me.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Thank you, Mikey Dan. That's Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live.
You can see that show with Chris Sims prior to
this one on Peacock we take a break. He is
the director and producer of a new documentary that drops today.
It's about the Dallas Cowboys. We'll come back with that
after this.
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Speaker 2 (18:14):
More of your phone calls coming up EH seven seven
to three. DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter
handle dp show. The documentary available today America's Team, The
Gambler and His Cowboys. It chronicles Jerry Jones and the
era of the Cowboys, the good years, the nineties, the dynasty,
(18:34):
but also some controversies and key figures. McLain way is
the producer director, and he and his brother have done
a wonderful job with Netflix with the Untold documentaries. Who
set the parameters here, McLain of what you could and
could not talk about with the Cowboys?
Speaker 5 (18:52):
We did?
Speaker 9 (18:53):
You know, It's like Jerry was one of our first
questions when we hop on the project. You always want
to know, like, wait, who gets to what goes in
and what goes out of a project. And luckily we've
been making documentaries with Netflix for over ten years and
they're really trusted partners and we work with them a lot,
and ultimately they they got to the kind of decide
as we would send them cuts and things like that.
(19:14):
So Jerry was an open book. There were no questions
that were off the table, and honestly, it was like
incredibly supportive of the documentary and what we made. And
when we showed him the documentary, he said that there
were very painful reminders for him. So I think he
liked parts of it. I think there are other parts
that were a little tough for him to watch, but
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all in always very supportive.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
What era does this cover?
Speaker 9 (19:41):
Yeah, this is mostly focused on like the early nineties,
you know. I think episode seven gets us about halfway
through to what the Michael Irvin trial was, which has
happened about three weeks after they won their third Super Bowl.
So it's mostly chronological and linear, but starts with Jerry
striking oil and netting himself for a one hundred million
dollars going and buying the Dallas Cowboys from bum Bright,
(20:04):
firing Tom Landry and igniting an incredible amount of controversy,
brings in Jimmy Johnson, his friend from you know, when
he was seventeen years old. They went back to back
Super Bowl's, massive divorce between the two of them, brings
in Barry Switzer to win one more, and then we
kind of quickly get into, you know, kind of the downfall,
the decline of this team on the field and this
(20:25):
thirty year year, thirty year streak of not really being
able to replicate that Super Bowl success.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
What's the wildest story in the documentary?
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Uh, there was a lot. I mean, I think that
this documentary is like a big reason why we jumped
on it is a bit of a murderer's row of
talking heads, like, yes, Jerry is a big and larger
than life character, Jimmy is as well. You got Michael
Troy Emnett, and then you got Dion. He comes in
in episode five. So that was a huge reason why
we obviously jumped at this. There were fun stories about
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the halftime the first Super Bowl at Pasadena because Michael
Jackson played the halftime show, and so Michael Irvin and
Charles Haley dipped out on Jimmy Johnson's halftime speech to
go watch Michael Jackson to Thriller at the Rose Bowl,
and so stuff like that was things that I didn't
quite know about. But as these guys roll into these stories,
(21:18):
all of a sudden, they're telling you about how they
go watch Michael Jackson. So stuff like that was always
super fun.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Did Dion talk about going to a hotel room and
walking in and seeing Michael in bed with a bunch
of women and Dion said Mike, I don't live this
way and walked out of the hotel room.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
It's it's a story that sounds familiar. I don't think
it was deon standers. I heard that story from Michael,
but it was Terrell Owens, And it was Terrell Owens
that came into a hotel room, and it was right
after there might be.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
There might be a number of people who experienced that true.
Just to be honest with you, was there dealm You.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
Have some options of people that you want to choose from.
But I heard it was Mike Tyson after he got
out of prison, and they all went into a limo
and had a nice suite in Vegas, and Torell Owens
came in and his eyes got his big ast saucers,
and apparently he said, I can't I don't live this life.
I can't do this, and so they Mike and Mike
scared away. T O apparently is the story that I
(22:24):
was told.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
We learn anything new about Jimmy Johnson's exit from the Cowboys.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
Yeah, I mean, I think that the access to both
Jerry and Jimmy was fundamental and crucial to why we
wanted to make this documentary. Serious, and I know that
they've spoken at length, almost separately about their relationship, and
then when they have gotten together to chat about it,
it's maybe like a short segment that they did on Fox.
(22:52):
But for us, our opportunity was we got to sit
down with Jimmy for a full day I think seven
hours of interviews, and we filmed with them a couple
more days and then Jerry, we interviewed for about forty hours.
So for us, the opportunity to go deep with these
guys was really what drew us to it. And obviously
I know that it's been covered for years, and I
think that this is there's an element of this is true,
(23:13):
which is their egos got too big. They had a
massive credit argument and they tried to claim more credit
than the other one felt, and I certainly think that
that's a part of their story. But for us, we
tried to go a little bit deeper, you know. For Jerry,
I felt that what ultimately I ended up kind of
feeling as I made this documentary series was this was
(23:33):
a guy who had a transformative experience in college. It
was the best moment of his life. He won the
nineteen sixty four National championship at the University of Arkansas.
Years later, he nets himself one hundred million dollars and
he does what maybe I would do or my friends
would do if they won one hundred million dollars over night,
they go and they buy the Dallas Cowboys. And I
think he did that in an attempt to kind of
(23:54):
recapture a really big, beautiful, transformative part of his life
in college. And he hires a guy that he's known
since he's seventeen years old. But Jimmy's point is, like, Jerry,
you hired me to do a job, and I need
to go out and convince these players day and day
out to go sacrifice their body and their health so
that we can win Lombardi Trophies. And every Sunday they
(24:16):
need to go and do that. But the locker room practice,
these are my areas. And when you come in you
can be a distraction in that endeavor. When you bring
camera ESPN cameras into the draft room, things like that.
I think ultimately started just really rubbing these guys the
wrong way. So they kind of almost had different schools
of thought. I would say, and listen, there's still some
(24:36):
things that these guys are never gonna agree on. If
you get them in the same room and ask them
who deserves credit for the herschel Walker trade, you're just
you're never gonna get the same answer.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
You know.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
They're just that's how they feel, and that's how they're
always gonna feel. But I do think that they still
have a lot of actual respect and admiration that's grown
for each other. They've always had that to a certain degree,
and I think that that's beautiful. It's okay to disagree
with people forever and still get along.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Jerry and Jimmy Teach McLain way, producer, director, co director,
executive producer of the new documentary on Netflix, America's Team,
The Gambler and his Cowboys. I started to think about
this with Jerry, and it's hard to tell a billionaire
that they're wrong, and you know, nobody's going to tell
Jerry's not going to listen to anybody. But I go
(25:20):
back in his coaching tree and it felt like there
were only two coaches who didn't need Jerry Jerry, you know,
Brian Schottenheimer, Jason Garrett, Dave Campbell, Like these guys all
needed this job. They needed Jerry, Bill Parcells did not
need Jerry and Jimmy Johnson did not. Does Jerry talk
(25:41):
about who he's hired or why he's hired these coaches?
Who this is America's team. You would think you could
get any coach that you wanted to coach these teams.
Speaker 9 (25:52):
Yeah, it's a great question. And actually I didn't really
dive into Jerry too much throughout the you know, each
an individual head coach that he's hired over the years,
but we hung out a lot as he was making
the Schottenheimer decision. And I don't know for better or worse,
And I listen, I did not grow up a Cowboys fan,
so I you grew up in Los Angeles in the
(26:13):
late nineties, so I unfortunately didn't have an NFL team
to root for. But so I didn't quite feel it
as hard as the fans do. But Jerry, as he
neared the Schottenheimer decision, talked about comfortability. That was like
a big word that he used time and time again.
He was comfortable with Shot and Himer comfortable with Shottenheimer,
which did strike me as unique because this is a
(26:34):
guy that has taken risk after risk after risk, and
even with something like the Johnny Manziel story, that he
kind of tells about Steven being like, we're not going
to draft Johnny Manzel and Jerry being like, all right,
we're not going to draft Jenny Manzel. But Jerry's retort is,
you know, that was a middle of the road decision,
and I didn't build the Dallas Cowboys the way I
did By making middle of the road decisions. You have
(26:55):
to take risks because the reward is just, you know,
ten x what you can get. But Seoanheimer was a
comfortable decision for Jerry. And I don't know if that's
because he feels like he's very close to what he where.
He ultimately wants to get to a super Bowl and
he doesn't want to change things up too much. But
I was a little like, okay, interesting, we're not really
making like a big, risky, splashy choice here. He's going
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to go with someone that he's comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
There's a quote that's attributed to The Athletic and it's
the cowboys twenty twenty three playoff loss to the Packers
where midway through the fourth quarter it's forty eight to sixteen,
and Jerry in the documentary says this loss hurt us
in every way more than anyone we've ever had. That's
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the worst loss in Jerry Jones's career.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
That's what he said. And man, we' were with that
team a lot in twenty twenty three, and ultimately, I
think if they would have had a deep playoff run,
it probably would have been a larger part of the
documentary series kind of following the team on the road
that year and filming them a lot. And listen, I
was on the Cowboy hype trained that year too, because
you know, they were kind of undefeated at home. They
had won I think like sixteen games at AT and
(28:06):
T and they were coming in to play Green Bay,
and I you know, I think they were the favorite.
I was looking forward to that game. But watching Jerry
watch that game, I mean, that family got shell shocked
that game. There there's no doubt. Jerry was quiet and
intense as he was watching what felt like a very
(28:26):
good chance for hopefully a playoff run kind of crumble
in front of him. And there was no doubt. I
mean it was like after that game. We had been
at Cowboys games after losses before. This one was different. Obviously,
it's the end of the season, so it carries that way,
but it just felt like this family had been through
(28:47):
oh very terrible experience watching watching Green Bay put up
the numbers that they did against against the Cowboys, and
no doubt Jerry said this loss hurt. It hurt on
so many different levels, is what he said. He said,
it hurt set us back, It was a financial pain,
It was a lot that he was talking about that
that loss in many ways. So yeah, I think it
is the worst loss he ever experienced.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Does Jerry care too much?
Speaker 10 (29:13):
You know?
Speaker 9 (29:13):
It's interesting I think that Again, I wasn't a fan,
so I know the thirty years that it's been, you know, conceptually,
but I don't quite feel it as a fan, so
I don't quite know what that pain feels like. But
the one thing that sometimes I would read that I
just personally disagreed with was like that Jerry doesn't want
to win. It's like all this family wants is one
(29:36):
more super Bowl for Jerry, Like they really like. My
experience just being around them is like, yes, this is
a tremendously successful franchise. Off field, they do the brand building,
they do the people talking about the team incredibly incredibly well.
But at the end of the at the end of
the day. I think that they are starting to get
(29:56):
that sense of urgency that listen, and I think even
Charlot says it's in the documentary. We don't have a
lot of those next seasons. Well, there's always next seasons
because their dad is getting older and older. And I
think more than anything, what this family wants for Jerry
is one more super Bowl. And I think Jerry certainly
wants that.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Too, being around him, knowing what's going on with Micah Parsons.
Your sense is what.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
My sense is that Jerry is like very comfortable in
these situations. And I don't know if that's a good
thing or a bad thing. I think we probably Cowboys
fans it's it's not a good thing. But I don't
think that he sweats in these situations, which I think
normally motivates most people to be like, all right, I
gotta go sign one of my star players to a
(30:41):
long term contract and lock him up early. And for
some reason, Jerry doesn't quite feel that ert that that that,
you know, he even says it. He's like, I'm comfortable
being uncomfortable. I'm comfortable with ambiguity, you know. And so
it was it was an interesting process. I to see
him be like that, So I don't know why he
(31:03):
necessarily does these things the way he does, or maybe
there's more information I don't know. Maybe maybe there's things
on Micah's team that they're not responding to or doing.
I don't know enough about it, but I know that
Jerry is very comfortable in these situations, which doesn't make
me think that things are going to change necessarily.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
What's the next documentary with you and your brother?
Speaker 9 (31:22):
Oh, actually we don't know. Actually, we're gonna take a
little time off. We had a three part doc that
came out in December of this last year that that
took us a while, and then this was an ad parter.
So we do do the Untold series on Netflix. Will
probably jump back in and do a little bit more
hands on producing there, which we're really excited about. But
right now we don't. We don't have anything in the hopper.
(31:44):
We're gonna take a little time off and then try
and tackle something, hopefully as big. But this one was
This one was tremendously fun. I mean it was the
first football documentary we made. I absolutely fell in love
with the sport and just following the Cowboys around and
really getting to meet the guys, Troy m and Michael, Dion, Barry, Jimmy.
They were all just phenomenal, phenomenal interviews.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Congrats to you and your brother, great stuff and good
luck with the documentary.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
Awesome, Thanks so much for having me on Den.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
That's McLain way, producer director. He's the co director executive
producer of the new documentary on Netflix, America's Team The Gambler,
and he's Cowboys. I'm sure it'll do quite well. But
you know, it's one thing. If you're watching the Cowboys play,
you can watch them play because you either love them
or you hate them. A documentary, I don't know if
(32:35):
you're tuning in if you don't like the Cowboys. Are
you tuning in if you love the Cowboys? Obviously you are,
But it's different when you're watching you if it's notating
football or duke basketball. There's just certain teams that are polarizing,
and that's why the Cowboys are still probably the biggest
draw on all of sports. We'll take a break. More
(32:56):
phone calls coming up, we'll update our poll results, and
we're back after this in the Dan Patrick Show.
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David in Ohio, Hi David, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9 (33:18):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (33:18):
Good morning, Dan. Yeah, I think Paul is definitely onto
something with the uniforms and the Washington Commanders, and what
do you expect when he got a franchise that Jesus
Tuddy the pig is their mascot. I got a thought,
why don't we just change the color like to bacon
color or something like that for the uniforms. I don't
know anybody that doesn't like bacon.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
So thank you, all right, David, Thank you. Yeah. I
was there during the peak years for the Hogs when
Thaisman was quarterbacking and Rigo was there in Art Monk
and Gary Clark and Ricky Sanders. They had great, great
teams back then. Andy had a Hall of Famer and
(33:59):
Joe Gibb. By the way, DraftKings just put out the
odds for the first pick in the twenty twenty six
NFL Draft. First pick. Now, I will say this, it's
obviously taking into consideration what arch Manning, grandfather Archie Manning
(34:20):
said that it's kind of obvious that he's going to
go back to Texas for another year, which is what
I told you quite a while ago, And that was
just intel that said this isn't He knows that he
needs a good thirty to thirty five starts before he
goes into the NFL. Uh So one, two, three four.
Arch Manning has the fifth best odds to be the
(34:42):
number one pick in the draft. Anybody want to take it? Oh,
Marvin's got his hand up already. Club Nick out of Clemson. No,
he's fourth on the list. Satan Penn State quarterback Drew Aller, Yes,
ding Ding Ding Ding Days stinking nailed it. Yeah, you
(35:07):
did it. Okay. There's one player who's getting a lot
of attention, a lot of attention. Well, maybe not that
much attention, because you're all looking at me like, huh okay.
His name is Leonoris Sellars, Sellers, Sellers. He's gotten a
(35:33):
whole lot of attention, a whole lot of attention. South
Carolina Caid klub Nick, Garrett Nussmeyer, and then arch Manning
for the number one overall pick. I also saw this.
Now I am kind of infatuated with the fact that
Shoheo Tani's odds to win the MVP are minus twenty thousand,
(35:56):
and second on the list is Kyle Schwarbert plus thirteen hundred.
That's a really, really, really really big discrepancy, whereas in
the American League Aaron Judge minus one forty, Cal Rawley
is plus one oh five. You know, he got Seattle
in the playoff race. Raleigh would see have forty eight
(36:16):
home runs, forty six home runs something like that. He'd
have to hit sixty home runs and they make the playoffs,
and I think he could win the MVP. But Aaron
Judge has really good numbers.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, Pauling, it's interesting that Otani's almost getting credit for
being a pitcher while barely really pitching. I think he's
less than twenty innings this season, maybe twenty two innings,
so he's not His value as a pitcher hasn't been
seen yet, but it's like it's his award until someone
steals it from him.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah, it'd be really really difficult if he if he's
able to do both and just is a good pitcher
but still a great hitter or power hitter. It's just,
I'm not gonna say, an unfair advantage because he created
the unfair advantage, and you have to put up something
incredible if you're gonna knock him off that perch Uh
(37:11):
Prince in Tampa, Hi Prince, what's on your mind?
Speaker 10 (37:14):
Hey, we're going on Dan six foot sixty yep. I
want to talk about this shador Stantas situation. I think
he's the only one with outside and you know, I
know that Tom Brady is his mentor. And you know,
when he played his first game at Colorado, he played
a TCU team that was you know, inter national championship
(37:35):
the year before, and he competed all four quarters without
an on line and a defense. Mytsumption is, what do
you think he's going to be you know, assume he
plays this year, what do you think his outside would
be like next year?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
On the grounds, Well, depends on how much playing time
he gets. Keep in mind, you had all these analysts
who said that he's been set up to fail, which
I said, you guys are stupid. Now he gets to
play with the first team, Now he gets reps. Now
he gets to go into a game where he's got
you know, starting lineup with him. It was for him
(38:07):
to succeed, not fail. And I've you know, seen him
that first year at Colorado, they should have given them
the Purple Heart. You know, forget the Heisman because he
took a beating. Now, some of that is his own
making holding onto the ball. He's not that athletic, but
I see a great upside to him. Composure is so important.
(38:28):
You know, there's certain quarterbacks that they just have it,
and I just think he has it now. The reason
why he slipped, let's be honest, he didn't interview well.
I don't think it was football per se. I think
it was his attitude and I think that rubbed a
lot of people the wrong way. And information is shared.
(38:49):
It doesn't take long for a bad interview with the Giants,
then all of a sudden, some other team, and then
some other team, and then some other team. They know
the same thing. And while we can say tom Brady
is his I put an asterisk by that because Tom
Brady is a powerful man with the Raiders and they
could have drafted him and they didn't, and that I
(39:09):
thought was very telling because you could have gotten him
as a backup quarterback if you wanted to for Gino
Smith for two years. But I do think he's going
to play. I think he'll start games this year, and
I hope he plays well. I think you know he's
earned that opportunity. Jesse in South Dakota, Hi, Jess, what's
on your mind?
Speaker 9 (39:30):
Dan?
Speaker 12 (39:31):
Third time? Long time? Maybe last time? Suck at Fritzy
number one first off T shirt idea from your voting
adventures over the weekend. How about just a Captain Oblivious shirt? Okay,
kind of play an off of Fritzi's Captain Obvious with
your hat and maybe you holding a fuel can or something.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Okay, thank you? Anything else? Jess?
Speaker 12 (39:57):
All right, I've been a Washington football fan my whole life,
but I've hated these colors since I was a kid.
I've refused to wear them since I was like a teenager.
So I've got a whole big branding thing. And that
also refused to call him the Commanders. I was in
DC back in January when we destroyed the Lions and
the playoffs. They were celebrating all over the streets. It
(40:18):
was such a cool experience, but I didn't hear anybody
chanting or talking about the Commanders. And I'm just curious
to hear what James and Virginia's take would be on that.
But I don't love the colors and do not like
the name commanders.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
All right, thank you Jesse. It's Jesse in South Dakota.
Sometimes the old uniform and you were successful with that
or given your age, that's why if you're over the
age of fifty, you probably don't like these uniforms because
you think back to the hogs in Rego and all
those great memories. I get it. Final hour in this
(40:53):
Tuesday coming up. We love talking to Chase Daniel. He
makes us smarter. He'll, I'm sure have all already broken
down the game film from some of these preseason games
with these quarterbacks. Back after this
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