August 26, 2025 • 41 mins
The new shoes of WNBA star Caitlin Clark send Dan and the Danettes down memory lane about Jordans. The crew gets a box of potato chips. Pro Football Focus lead draft analyst Trevor Sikkema joins Dan to break down their method for determining the most valuable defensive players and explains why Travis Hunter maybe isn’t getting the attention he deserves right now.
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seven to three DP show. We'll get more phone calls.
Operator Tyler is sitting by to take your calls, and
we'll have a new poll question coming up. Just sort
of a random thought here. The Kentucky Wildcat starting quarterback
this year is Zach Calzada or Zeta. He played at
A and M Auburn Incarnate Word and now he's at Kentucky.
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He's older than Drake May, Bryce Young, c J. Stroud,
Jaden Daniels. He'll turn twenty five this season. This is
the last of the COVID qbs. I believe because we
had a few that would be twenty three, twenty four
years of age, and you'd see that in March Madness too.
They'd be guys that are twenty five twenty six, and
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there's a big difference if you ever played competitive sports
when you're eighteen and somebody might be twenty two or
twenty three. That's like you're on the freshman team and
they're on the varsity team. It is a night and
day difference in just your development. You come in as
eighteen or nineteen year old, next thing you know, you're
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twenty five. Big big difference there, at least in basketball.
I don't know if this really helps. He's twenty five,
so he's been to a couple of different programs, maybe mature.
He's a pretty good player, but bounced around to now
on his fourth school. Shouldn't they limit? Shouldn't there be
like a cap, like how many schools you can go to?
(01:51):
Maybe three? Maybe you got to graduate by the time
you're twenty four. Cam Ward had a few, then you
have three of them. He had incarnet word as well.
He hit the word yeah word all right. Seating pole
question for the final hour of the program.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Is what well yeah we had up there? If you
could sign one in their prime Aaron Donald or TJ.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Watt.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
What people are referring to this pole question is saying,
is fifteen percent of our audience are Steelers fans because
those are the only people in the world who would
possibly vote for TJ. Watt in this situation. Okay, Aaron
Donald's got eighty five percent of that vote. He's cleaning up.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Aaron Donald is the right answer. Yeah, just saying.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Great player, great, great great, one of the all time
greats in my opinion. All right, so that's the final
poll question there. I saw where Caitlin Clark has a
new shoe out and Angel Reese applauding.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Does Angel Reese have her own shoe?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
She does?
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Okay, good, I don't want that that nightmare happening. You
sold more shoes because who's playing them, Kate.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Caitlin Clark doesn't have to play another game, and she
could sell shoes the rest of her life. Probably she
could be like Michael Jordan. You know, Jordan hadn't played
in how many years, but his shoes have never been
more popular. Caitlyn Clark in that demo, that market could
probably just sell shoes, yeah, Pauli.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Yeah, the whole line comes out on October first. What
did you guys think of the logo? It's kind of
like two c's combined together. It reminds you of something,
doesn't it?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Marvin? What's it remind you of?
Speaker 7 (03:43):
Calling Nike?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Sooner than later?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I thought maybe that she might run into a little
bit of trouble there. But then I don't know, you know,
Nike's not afraid of kind of bringing in controversy. But
it's okay. I didn't think it was great. It was like, okay,
but you got your Caitlin Clark's shoe? How many how
many WNBA players, Sabrina Iynescu has her.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Shoe, Brianna Stewart, Angel Reese, Asia Wilson.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
That's it?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Okay, well pretty good.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Is there a favorite shoe? Did you wait until after
you were old enough that you had the money that
you could go back and buy shoes because I couldn't
afford them growing up. I remember wearing a high top
Converse and they were nine to ninety nine. I remember
buying them at a discount store in downtown Cincinnati, Ben's
Department Store nine dollars and ninety nine cents. But there
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were these Adidas superstars.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Oh man, did I want those?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Couldn't get them for a long, long long time. And
that I remember going out and buying them, and they
were great shoes. I still think those that's the best
shoe looking shoe, the Shelt, I think the best shoe
ever made. Did you wear them with jeans? You could
wear them to a wedding.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
If you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I think they're that gorgeous and they are great looking shoes.
But I remember when they came out and Pete Maravitch
was wearing them, and UCLA Basketball had him, and then
Jerry West was you know, had gold stripes with his Adidas.
I'm thinking, God, I'd go to NBA games, I'd stare
at the shoes I was fascinated with. They had those
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convers low cut that had swayed, that would bleed through
and your socks would be red. And I remember being
on the floor in Cincinnati and Mike Reardon was a
basketball player for the Bullets, the then Baltimore Bullets, and
he had low cut Kevin Lockery had low cut shoes. Remember,
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you know, just certain players where I watched this. I
just love those shoes. And Jerry West had the gold
stripe on his low cut Adidas.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yes, Todd.
Speaker 8 (06:03):
The ones I loved were the Puma Clyde. Same problem
of you stepped into a puddle or something, especially if
it like the blue ones, your sock was just totally
covered like in a blue ink or something. But puumcclyde
and that material, that vlaura, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Was awesome.
Speaker 9 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, that was a big deal. Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Those were not good shoes to play basketball, and they
were heavy.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
They were not good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I feel like the first real pair of sneakers I
ever got. H that I was like, whoa, this is sick.
I think in like sixth grade maybe I got Jordan grapes.
Those like they're like white, uh and like I don't know,
like teal and purple maybe something like that, but they're
called grapes and those. That was like the first time
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that I ever got sneakers that when they got dirty out,
it's like, no, don't miss up with sneakers.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, PAULI.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Just before Michael Jordan's shoes came out, Congress came out
with Converse weapons with Bird and Magic and Birds were
a little workshoe looking. They were very dark, but the
Lakers colors on those Magic shoes and he and Bird
were back to back on the Sports Illustrated. That was
a great shoe at the time. Just before Michael took over.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah, but it was heavy, heavy, heavy. Hated that shoe.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I like the Lakers colors, birds look like they were
they were work boots. They were like Doc Martin's, except
for they were an NBA version of Doc Martin's, except
they weren't that cool looking. But yeah, when you get
to a certain play, a lot of times what you
buy is what you couldn't buy when you were of
a certain age. Guys will buy cars because they can't
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couldn't buy that car when they were growing up. Now
you have some money, a lot of guys go back
and get a sixty five Corvette.
Speaker 10 (07:44):
Yes, Marvin, Yeah, Nostalgia's undefeated, and especially in the sneaker
game for somebody like me. I'm forty one. Everyone in
my age range when the new Jordans come out or
the retro Jordans, man, I couldn't buy those in nineteen
ninety six because there's no way my mom or somebody
else's mom was gonna one hundred and thirty dollars pair
of shoes. But now everyone's got a job, everyone's got
a little bit disposed to income. I'm buying three pairs
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of those. If I could.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
You go into some of these stores and they wrapped
the shoe in cell of fane or you know, protection,
and you're a collector and you're going in there, and
you know, we've had guests on here where their backdrop
is all their shoes. It's like a piece of art
that you're showcasing this. But I wore mine. I'm wearing
my shoes. I never went I'm gonna put these away.
(08:34):
Should have, but I never did that. I'm like, now
I'm out there playing and then you look at them
and you're like, they got roughed up.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
But so what That's why I didn't.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I didn't, you know, buy them so I could keep
them as a collector's item. Now I should have, But
I'm just saying at the time, I'm like, no, I'm
wearing these suckers. Man, gonna elevate my game. Yeah, Paul,
I was just.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Reading about when Nike signed Bo Jackson, they want to
do a shoe, but football shoes don't sell and baseball
shoes don't sell. But Bo was playing all these different
sports and they said, how about a cross trainer, which
hadn't been invented as a term really yet for shoes,
And they had these tan white and blue, and I
had three different pair of these. Cross trainers is one
of the best selling shoes in Nike history. But they
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had to come up with something around Bo Jackson.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, that was one of those that you had to
have cross trainers, And I don't know what they were
even for, because it wasn't like I wanted to go
mountain climbing or you go jogging, but you don't you
have cross trainers.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
I'm like, no, I don't. Yes, Tom, would you.
Speaker 8 (09:35):
Be interested this for all you guys, that's a fancy
car you always wanted to bet you could or would
never drive just to show it off or just have
it locked away somewhere just to have the feeling of,
look what I got, and you're never going to ever
drive it because you don't want the mileage to even
change one tenth of a mile.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Well, I have cars that I love looking at. It's
a piece of art, it's rolling art. But I don't
have any problem driving then I don't worry about putting
miles on them.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
But there are people.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I met a guy who had a nineteen sixty eight
Corvette and he never drove it. He wrapped it in
cellophane or some kind of protection, and he wanted it
to be brand new, and so I don't know if
he kept it. But I didn't really know him. I
(10:24):
just met him and I go, why do you have
the why'd you wrap up your corvette? He goes, Oh,
I'm never going to drive it.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And I go, okay, And.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Maybe somebody paid a lot of money for a sixty
eight corvette that you certainly had low miles on it.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Yes, Todd, isn't that a little bizarre.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
I'm not to judging anybody, But like a painting, you
don't do anything with it. You're not going to paint
over it or trace it or anything you put on
the wall to look at. To also do that with
a car and never ever take it out once, just
for a couple of minutes or one special night out.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
This seems weird, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Remember we were talking yesterday about me texting people who
have passed away, that I keep them in my phone.
My mom, a couple of my good friends. I just
got this text and it's from the phone of my
friend who just passed away a couple of months ago. Hi, Dan,
(11:17):
it's perfectly perfectly okay to text dead people's phones. This
is from his family member. The survivors enjoy looking back
at all the text and reading them. Maybe the real
question is should I be texting you from Tom's phone?
(11:39):
Hope you're doing well?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I miss him? How about that? Todd?
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Okay, thank you for that?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
My pipe and smoking? Yes, okay, new pole question hour three.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Weirder person texting the dead person, person texting as the
dead person?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Okay, fair, fair, you're not you don't shut off the phone.
After a few months.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
You got the friends and fair only.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I still paying that bill? Uh no, I got it
five lines?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
That's expensive.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (12:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I last text him February seventeenth. I said you made
me cry, bastard rest in peace.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Finally heard back from him. It took a while. I
don't know what he's doing. What are you there, Brandon
in New Mexico? Hi Brandon, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7 (12:31):
Grew up morn, sir? How are you doing well? I was.
I was kicking back thinking about shoes. Do you remember
Walter Payton with the bruise?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
I want to tell you that arch Banning is never
going to see them. It's never gonna happen. That wasn't
my point. Wasn't the shoes. But you started talking about
shoes and it got me, all right.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Well, thank you, Brandon arch isn't winning the heisman? Marvin agrees, Uh,
Mike in La, Hi, Mike, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Hey Dan?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (13:05):
I already used to go down the gardens myself, Cincinnati
gardens and watch the Celtic. It wasn't a shame we
could never get by the Celtics. That's why I hated
their shoes. I hated their uniforms. I hated everything about
a Celtic anyway, the probably the coolest thing I wanted
to get to the Browns repe for the coolest thing
is foot where obviously it was in baseball in the
early seventies when the A's donned they're all white shoes.
(13:28):
It was probably the coolest thing I've ever seen in
the game of baseball. YEP, with their wonderful uniforms.
Speaker 11 (13:34):
Remember that.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
No, I love big Reggie Jackson fan. I love those uniforms,
the white shoes. It was great. When you saw that.
It was like, whoa wait a minute here, what are
the Oakland A's doing? Yes, Marvin underrated great uniform for me.
Late eighties, early nineties, Oakland Athletics, All White, Jose, Mark Maguire,
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Ricky Henderson, Dave Stewart, okay, clean, Dodger White. There's no
wrong answers here, It's just your personal preference, yes.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Mark, except for you and Teal. Oh yeah, Teals terrible, terrible? Uh,
Steven in Virginia, High Steve, what's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Hey, good morning, gentlemen, Good morning.
Speaker 12 (14:19):
Just listening to your conversation about Aaron Donald. How do
you feel it was tragic when he passed? But Jerome
Brown in comparison to Aaron Donald, how much of an
impact or how much more of an impact do you
think he would have made that he survived.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Well, he was a great player, and that's another one
of those interior disruptors. But you had Reggie White there,
you had other you know, they had really good defenses there.
But Jerome Brown.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
He was a beast.
Speaker 13 (14:47):
He was a beast.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
But then you had Reggie White as well. Reggie might
be the most dominant defender that I ever saw him,
or mean Joe Green, Now, I'll throw the Lawrence Taylor
in there, but Laurence could run himself out of a
play as well. It felt like me and Joe Green
and Reggie Aaron Donald, they were always involved in a
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play lt you know, he created havoc. But you know,
there there have been great defenders, but as far as
guys who physically were disrupting, you know, you have you know,
defensive backs, but it just different. I mean Reggie White,
you watch him sometimes and he just pushing three hundred
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pound men around.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah, PAULI, Reggie White was first team All Pro at
age twenty four and age thirty eight. Yeah, let that soakin, Yeah,
and a bunch of times in between.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And mean, Joe Green was truly mean, like he would
you know, he spit on I think Conrad Dobler and
but that that Steeler defense is as that might be
the best defense I ever saw Steele Curtain because you
had guys who couldn't even get on the field who
turned out to be great defenders eventually.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I mean they were stacked. That was great.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Well, it wasn't great because I was a Bengal fan
back then and we had to play the Steelers and
be like, oh my god, poor Ken Anderson's gonna get crushed.
Let me take a break when we come back. Newpole
question and more of your phone calls as well. We're
just getting started. Maybe I'll hear from other dead people, Todd.
Maybe my mom will reach out to me. Yeah, I
(16:34):
wonder what she would say to you, since you made
fun of me reaching out just talking to my mom.
Speaker 8 (16:40):
You wouldn't be happy with me.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
She probably wouldn't be. Well, take a break. We're back
after this.
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Speaker 2 (17:51):
I've been talking about Aaron Donald, how I think he's
underrated and I'd love having that defensive tackle nose tack. Well,
he disrupts everything up the middle, and Aaron Donald certainly
did that. We ran down some other names in NFL history.
I know edge rushers get a lot of attention, certainly cornerbacks,
but that guy up the middle that just changes everything
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and lo and behold, Fritzy reaches out to Trevor Sikima,
the Pro Football Focus Lead Draft analyst host of NFL
Stock Exchange podcast. Help me understand the metrics for Pro
Football Focus on the most valuable If I put Aaron Donald,
and I said TJ. Watt like, how do you equate
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the value of Aaron Donald to TJ. Watt or another
edge rusher Miles Garrett.
Speaker 14 (18:41):
Yeah, So we have a model over at PFF dot com.
It's called win's above average, wins above replacement, whatever you
want to call it, and actually it's available for our
team clients to be able to use. It's not a
PFF plus product that we have there, and honestly it's
because a lot of stuff goes into it. And the
question that you asked is it's a tough one, right.
I mean, I think in baseball, a lot of people
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will reference wins, above average, winsbow replacement, that kind of stuff,
and it's a little bit easier because a lot of
the stats are a little bit more common. We're viewing
things on a little bit more of a of an
equal playing field, especially when it comes to offense. But
in the NFL it's different, and it really is a
total team game and it is tough to individualize those
certain performances.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
But with the model that we have, you know.
Speaker 14 (19:26):
We get to take things into account like PFF grades,
which of course grade every single player on every single play,
which kind of tell us how well a player is
executing their job, and then we're able to give a
little bit of value to that with the rise in
popularity and perfection of the EPA per play, EPA per rush,
those kinds of metrics. So now all of a sudden,
(19:47):
you have stats that or grades, data points I should say,
that allow you to grade performance.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
And then we also have a.
Speaker 14 (19:54):
Data point that gives you a little bit of an
idea for value. And so going back to your question
of like hey, Aaron Donald versus TJ. Watt versus Miles Garrett,
it all kind of comes down to how an individual
player is making an individual play and necessarily not only
how much are they leaned upon just themselves on an island,
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if you will, but also does doing their job either
at a net zero level or a positive or a
negative level, how much that actually impacts the football game.
And so we have our own wins above Average metric,
which a lot of those things sort of get into it,
and we can get into that a little bit deeper
for as much as I can. I didn't invent the
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metric myself. I just kind of know it pretty well
from everything that we do. But it is that way
where we take a total team game and try to
give these guys individual value and just to what you
were talking about about, you know Aaron Donald before, it
felt like he was breaking our wins above average model
sometimes with how much he was able to impact the
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game at his high of a level. But we have
to take that into a when we do stuff like that.
Speaker 15 (21:01):
Least valuable defensive position is what oh I would say.
I would say the least valuable is often linebacker because
the word replacement or average does a lot of the
heavy lifting for this formula when you get linebackers, of course,
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like Fred Warner is at the very top of the list,
and it's because of what he can do in coverage,
as a run defender, as a pass rusher. He does
all of those things. But there are so many linebackers
that don't have that capability to give you those plus
grades and maybe more important, just those even grades of
not screwing up his job the way that Fred Warner
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does that with a high floor and a high ceiling.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
So a guy like that will have a winds.
Speaker 14 (21:46):
Above average that is a little bit closer to you know,
normal interior defender. Some edge rushers guys like that, but
there's a lot of linebackers that it gets a lot
lower to that zero point zero wins above average number
the further you go down from Fred Warner, and it
doesn't take you long to get to that point. So
I think that the most valuable linebackers in the league
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still hold that word a ton of value themselves. But
there's just a lot of guys that, much like the
running back position, the more replaceable you are, the more
close to average you are, the less value you're going
to hold.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Like that, if the Bengals ask you and Pro Football
Focus if they should give Trey Hendrickson a three year
deal or just giv him a one year deal and
let him walk, what would Pro Football Focus tell the Bengals.
Speaker 14 (22:35):
Yeah, I think that it comes down to sort of
exactly what the conversation ended up being between these two parties,
and that is, he's I believe thirty right now, are
about to thurn thirty one. What does his performance look
like in twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven? Where
is that drop off there? And you know, it's a
little bit of a different metric. I don't know, you know,
if we have something out there for necessary like age decline,
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but I can tell you from a wins above average standpoint,
the only edge rusher that we had in our system
that was more valuable than Trey Henderson, who led the
NFL and pressures last year, was Miles Garrett. And the
reason why Miles Garrett was a little bit higher is
simply because he was better as a run defender. But
Trey was doing his job extremely well out and I
would stack that up with the rest of the team
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there with the Bengals, you're not just looking at what
Trey Henderson is versus the rest of the league. Of course,
that goes into the overall number of what you're discussing
with the contract, but it also goes into who else
do you have on your team, Because if you look
at the Bengals, the three players that are higher and
wins above average or the three that you would expect,
it's t Higgins, it's Jamar Chason, of course is Joe Burrow,
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but after that it's Trey Henderson, and then you know
the next guy on the team is much much lower.
So I would certainly tell the Bengals, like, hey, if
you want to compete for a Super Bowl, if you
want to compete in what is maybe the toughest division
in the NFL, you probably cannot do it with this guy,
and you're not going to be able to replace him
in the aggregate.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Trevor Sikamau, the Pro Football Focus Lead NFL Draft analyst
co host of NFL Stock Exchange podcast. For a guy
who won the Heisman and is coming in and maybe
playing both ways, there is little conversation about Travis Hunter,
which I find remarkable. Has Pro Football Focus looked at
(24:22):
what's more valuable in all Pro cornerback or an All
Pro wide receiver with Travis Hunter?
Speaker 14 (24:30):
So these guys are it is pretty close between those.
Because you know, as we were putting together and again
I wasn't in the beginning stages of this. I've just
done a lot of reading up on it and had
conversations with a lot of people who kind of came
up with this metric for us. What we realized is
that wins above average and wins above replacement in the
game of football gets a lot higher the further you
(24:51):
are away from the ball, actually because normally you have
less help, right, I mean, like when you're closer to
the ball, if you're in the box. You know, as
an interior defensive lineman or a linebacker and even sometimes
edge rushers. You have a lot of help next to you.
But when you get all the way out to the
sideline and it's a corner and a wide receiver, you're
on an island. It's all about your individual skills. How
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can you get open? How can you not let a
receiver get open? And what we have figured out is
that some years it can flip right. Some years the
highest wins above average wide receiver like a Jamar Chase
or a Justin Jefferson can be a little bit higher.
But last year, for example, it was Patrick Shirtan. He
was the highest graded defender that we had from a
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wins above average standpoint. He ends up winning Defensive Player
of the Year, and it's just because of exactly what
he's able to do. You can stick him on an
island against the other team's best playmaker in the passing
game and he can totally take him away. That is
unbelievably valuable from an individual standpoint in a team game.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
So it is sort of close.
Speaker 14 (25:52):
But to answer your question, I think that for the
most part, if you are a true top tier, top
five corner, that is going to be more valuable than
even the top wide receivers, because again we get back
to scarcity. There's a lot of wide receivers who can
do it at a very high level. There's not a
ton of corners that you can go out there and
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tell them to play cat cover and say, hey, you
go cover that cat, make sure he doesn't catch the football.
The top ones do, and our numbers reflect that type
of scarcity and that value. So that's why I was
a big proponent of Travis Hunter being a corner in
the NFL and understanding that if you wanted to get
benefit of the both sides of the ball with him,
you'd probably have to play him a little bit differently.
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But I always said, you can play him full time
at corner, get maximum value there, and then moonlight him
a little bit as a wide receiver and sort of
get that value there. You can't do the opposite. You
can't have a guy play full time at wide receiver
and then say hey, go play a couple of plays
at corner or at least it's really damn.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Difficult to do that.
Speaker 14 (26:53):
So that's why I was a big proponent of him
playing cornerback because our wins above average model sort of
spoke to that value there.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Does Pro Football Focus have Hall of Fame grades?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I don't know if we do.
Speaker 14 (27:06):
Our data goes back to two thousand and six, and
I know that that every year we kind of try
to take the data a little bit further, you know,
like we'll watch a bunch of the season for ROH
five before all those kinds of things. But I'm not sure.
I'm not sure if we have a specific Hall of
Fame grades for all those guys that are in the Hall.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, well, even those who could get in the Hall
of Fame, like pending Hall of famers.
Speaker 14 (27:30):
Yes, we definitely would, certainly, certainly, certainly if they're recent guys, Yes,
like Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Is Russell Wilson, by your metrics, already a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 14 (27:40):
Yeah, I mean that's that is a great question. I
wouldn't be able to answer off the top of my head.
But I do know that Russell has a ton of value. Again,
like I know that just from off the top of
my head. If you were making a case for Russell
Wilson to make the Hall of Fame, his wins above
average numbers I think would really help him in that case.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Like I really do.
Speaker 14 (28:02):
I think that's a it's a great case study. It's
a great you might have just given me a future
article to write over at PFF dot com. They're looking
at some of those guys who are active players and
might have a Hall of Fame case. But I do
know off the top of my head that that would
be a metric that would help him because I've seen
him at the very top of that list a handful
of times.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Great to talk to you. We'll talk to you during
the season. Thank you, Trevor, appreciate deep anytime. Trevor Sikima
Pro Football Focus, the lead NFL draft analyst. They got
all of this information, all this data, and there they
probably won Patrick certain the defensive player of the year.
When you think about all the data that they had,
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and you know, the wins above replacement because if you
watch Denver, like sometimes watching a defensive back, there's nothing
to watch. If they're that good, you're probably not going
in their direction. And edge rusher has a chance to
make an impact, you can see him. You may just
stay away from the left side of the field with
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Patrick Sirtan, But yeah, some of the data that they
have fascinates me.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
All right, Dean in Dallas. Hi Deane, what's on your mind?
Speaker 12 (29:14):
Hey Dan?
Speaker 11 (29:15):
Six six seventy. Hey you're an Aaron Donald topic again today?
And my favorite play ever in the NFL or it
should be a statue outside of Sofar is Aaron Donald
taking Ezekiel Elliott with one arm and throwing him into
(29:37):
dark Prescott. It's amazing. Paullie, look it.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Up, Polly, look it up. You're not doing anything over there.
Jim in Portland, Hi Jim, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Dan?
Speaker 16 (29:52):
I Today it's my thirtieth wedding anniversary, which makes it
the thirtieth anniversary of when you crashed the my rehearsal
dinner party in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, at a restaurant
where you It's kind of a crazy story, but one
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of my guests at the wedding was good friends with
Jay Billis and wanted to see Jay, who was not
coming to the wedding, so asked me if Jay could
come to the party after the rehearsal dinner. We had
rented the restaurant for the night. Everybody's going to be there,
so I said, sure.
Speaker 11 (30:27):
Bring Jay.
Speaker 16 (30:28):
So Jay comes, and then you showed up, apparently with Jay.
I still don't even know the whole story, and it
caused quite a stir. My cousins were very impressed with
me that somehow Dan Patrick showed up. My mom commented
at the end of the night that she had no
idea who you were, but everybody seemed excited you were there,
and that you were very tall and handsome, and you
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paid for a lot of drinks of other people, which
she really appreciated. So kind of become a famous story
in my family. And I just wanted to thank you
and acknowledge.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, Jim, congratulations to you and your wife on thirty years.
And it's our anniversary today and I will celebrate accordingly.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
So thank you for the phone call.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
Okay, see all right.
Speaker 17 (31:16):
I don't remember that.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
It's thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, that was that was prime Sports Center days. It
was a big deal back Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, wonder
his mom thought I was handsome?
Speaker 7 (31:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, hello, yeah, mind if we dance?
Speaker 4 (31:39):
I was slaying back then. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
So is this your sister? Your mother? No, come on,
she looks like she could be your sister. Come here,
come here. Oh how about that song? Do you want
to dance?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
How about I sing to you a little berry white.
Oh that's sad, very very sad. All right, let me
take a break and happy anniversary today. My anniversary is
coming up on the twenty ninth.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
What day is that? Is that Friday?
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Friday?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 10 (32:19):
Where are we going?
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Uh? Nowhere? Didn't you celebrate my anniversary, PAULI?
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Yeah, I think see. And I attended a dinner with
you and your wife and MC at a super.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Bowl that was New Orleans, no, no, Houston. We definitely
sat at one end of the table.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Oh, I know, I know that was I know it
was weird. Wait where we celebrating? Am my anniversary in Dublin?
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Dublin?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Oh it's Dublin.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
You guys had planned a nice night out for two,
a very very nice restaurant with oysters. Yes, and for
some reason, you casually throughout if you guys aren't doing
it any tonight, stop by, and it felt like a
real invitation.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Well, when we go on the road, it's amazing how
many friends I have. I'll be going out to dinner
next thing, I know, Paulio, Hey what are you thinking
for dinner? And I go, well, it's my anniversary. It's
gonna go out with my wife.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah, where are you going?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Then all of a sudden, paulioll go oh, I just
you know, I googled it. That's a nice place. They
got oysters there yet, table for six You guys you
interested in going?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Oh yeah, it's definitely a better meal than what I
was probably gonna have, like going to get a bag
of Walgreens trail mix that I normally eat for dinner.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Well, I blame you.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
You gave us the you guys are welcome to join us,
which means you don't want us to join us when
you say you're welcome to and we took you up
on it.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
All right, Now, that's a good dinner too, Yes, that was.
How about we take a break. Let's take a break,
last call for phone calls, what we learn, what's in
store tomorrow, all of that right after this.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
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Speaker 2 (34:12):
I was out in the mailroom and I saw we
got a package full of potato chips.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Seton. Did you mention grippas I did?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, we just got a whole box of potato chips
out there, the greatest potato chips in the world. Yeah, no,
we didn't. Yes, yes, somebody from the Home office there.
They were like, thank you. We fell out of our
chair when Seaton brought up the potato.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Chip, best potato chips in the whole world. I had
them driving once, driving through Ohio and we just stopped
at a random gas station or whatever to fill up,
and I grabbed the bag of potato chips. Holly smokes.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
A couple of phone calls here, this day in sports history,
this day in movie history, all of that. Sneak a
few phone calls in here. Nick in the Ozarks, Hey, Nick,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 18 (34:59):
Hey, A long time I wanted to talk to you
about the tennis shoes. We wore those Adida superstars that
you talked about for three years and then my senior
year they decided to switch to the wonderful shoe called
the pro ked Swede. Yeah, we talked about it. We
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went through three pairs in a single season, every one
of us. Because they they did deal with Zion Williamson
put through the sidewall.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I know, those looked good. They weren't good shoes. But
Pete Maravich wore the pro Heads as well, but they
were heavy shoes as well. Adida Superstar best best tennis
shoe ever made.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Sean and Daytona Beach. Hey, Sean, Dan, thanks for calling
me back.
Speaker 17 (35:49):
Yep, six foot point two this morning, we are talking
about shoes.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
Back to school.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
Now.
Speaker 17 (35:57):
I just turned fifty a few weeks ago. We didn't
have a whole lot of money growing up, so I
was never allowed to get to Jordan's or the quote
unquote expensive shoes. Well, when I was twelve years old,
starting seventh grade, I picked out a pair of Chuck
Taylors and I wore them in the gym class and
they were blaze orange. Coach never let me live it
down how much he hated those shoes for five years
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in that school.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Awful, all right, thank you, Sean. Yeah, I wore a
high top. We had white Chuck Taylors, and then we
went crazy my senior year we had black high top
Chuck Taylors. It was a big deal. It was a
big deal for the Mason comments. I'll tell you that
CJ and New Hampshire.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
I CJ.
Speaker 9 (36:38):
Hey, Dan A long time list their first time caller
five seven in athletic two ten calling in I've had
this long debate going. I'm an Eagles fan. I got
a lot of Patriots fans around me up here in
New Hampshire. I have been arguing whether or not Drew
Bledsoe is worse than Nick Foles. I think Nick Foles
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is better than Drew Bledsoe. I understand Bletsoe had a
longer career, but I think if you tripled Nick foles career,
it would be just as good as Bloodshow's. I wanted
your opinion. Thank you, Dan in the.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
You can't triple his career. His career is his career, cjing.
Speaker 9 (37:16):
Like if with the accolades that Nick Foles has with
like setting the most touchdown passes in a single game,
most touchdowns thrown without an interception. You know, Bledsoe had
a long career, but did he really achieve anything other
than just throwing.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
He threw a lot of yards.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
I understand he's I think in the top ten for
passing yards all time, or somewhere in the top twenty.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Well, Drew bled Drew Bledshoe is a better quarterback. But
Nick Foles had better highlights.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
But thank you.
Speaker 12 (37:44):
CJ.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Doyn't know if I answered your debate, because I think
you wanted me to lean towards Nick Foles. Nick Foles
is one of those great curiosities in NFL history.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
It's like he is so good too, he's a backup.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
He's so good he's winning a super Bowl to be
a backup. Yes, Marvin, the word is choppy. Oh, choppy
is the new word. The new word choppy. How about
this day in movie history?
Speaker 5 (38:09):
Paul, of course, This Day in movie History released on
this date in nineteen eighty seven, The movie Dirty Dancing
dan two hundred and thirteen million dollars at the box office,
number one hit song and songs plural. The soundtrack went
to number one. Who likes the movie loves the movie?
Does not like the movie Dirty Dancing?
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Todd I like it a lot, and I like the
song alot. Seaton, I remember liking it.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Marvin, I like it, Yeah, I do. I mean Patrick
Swayze does great good hair.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Yeah, what do I s it? Jennifer Gray?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yes, yeah, I just I'm not a I'm not a
dancing movie guy. I'm not really somebody who's like, oh cool.
Another movie about people dancing. Sign me up, it's not
usually my thing.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
I like it when they're in the lake, when they're
deady hold her up. The dancing me. Yeah, don't try
that at all.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
They give the little at the end, they give each
other a little nod like, let's.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Go for it, let's do it.
Speaker 10 (39:17):
Yes, that whole era, that mid eighties. Man, they really
love dancing movies. You know what, don't let us we're
going to dance anyway.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Well you have foot loose. I'm read loose, Dirty Dancing,
Flash Chance.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
The TV show.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Man and Jennifer biles O. Jennifer Beals had kind of
a Phoebe Kates like there was a vibe.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
To be fair, though they've done that storyline a million times.
Welding by day dancing by night.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I think j Lo did that. She was welder and
then she became a dancer. Yes, they should bring back
the leg warmers. I thought that was a good look.
Teas the hair up with the leg warmers. Jane Fonda,
Olivia Newton, John they gave us the leg warmers.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Yeah, there's two more dancing movies for you.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah, Grease, Oh, Grease too.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
And uh it was a Saturday night fever Saturday Night Fever.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
And then the follow up was.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Whether they all moved to LA and become fitness instructors.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
And then we just love to dance. That's all home
videos the next big thing.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Let's go around the room, see if we learned anything, Todd,
Do you learn anything today?
Speaker 7 (40:37):
I did?
Speaker 8 (40:37):
Bill in Washington Belause Andrew Luck would have won Super
Bowls and have been among the all time greats if
he hadn't retired early Seaton.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
What did you learn today? You crashed a party thirty
years ago? Today? I know with Jay billis.
Speaker 10 (40:49):
Or Revis first team All Pro with no interceptions.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
And no highlights.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Paul Benducci had to pay four fifty for his Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Jersey Todd from Paulie.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
Reggie White was able to make first Team All Pro
as youngest twenty four and his oldest thirty eight. How
about that?
Speaker 4 (41:05):
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seven to three DP show. We'll get more phone calls.
Operator Tyler is sitting by to take your calls, and
we'll have a new poll question coming up. Just sort
of a random thought here. The Kentucky Wildcat starting quarterback
this year is Zach Calzada or Zeta. He played at
A and M Auburn Incarnate Word and now he's at Kentucky.
(00:47):
He's older than Drake May, Bryce Young, c J. Stroud,
Jaden Daniels. He'll turn twenty five this season. This is
the last of the COVID qbs. I believe because we
had a few that would be twenty three, twenty four
years of age, and you'd see that in March Madness too.
They'd be guys that are twenty five twenty six, and
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there's a big difference if you ever played competitive sports
when you're eighteen and somebody might be twenty two or
twenty three. That's like you're on the freshman team and
they're on the varsity team. It is a night and
day difference in just your development. You come in as
eighteen or nineteen year old, next thing you know, you're
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twenty five. Big big difference there, at least in basketball.
I don't know if this really helps. He's twenty five,
so he's been to a couple of different programs, maybe mature.
He's a pretty good player, but bounced around to now
on his fourth school. Shouldn't they limit? Shouldn't there be
like a cap, like how many schools you can go to?
(01:51):
Maybe three? Maybe you got to graduate by the time
you're twenty four. Cam Ward had a few, then you
have three of them. He had incarnet word as well.
He hit the word yeah word all right. Seating pole
question for the final hour of the program.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Is what well yeah we had up there? If you
could sign one in their prime Aaron Donald or TJ.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Watt.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
What people are referring to this pole question is saying,
is fifteen percent of our audience are Steelers fans because
those are the only people in the world who would
possibly vote for TJ. Watt in this situation. Okay, Aaron
Donald's got eighty five percent of that vote. He's cleaning up.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Aaron Donald is the right answer. Yeah, just saying.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Great player, great, great great, one of the all time
greats in my opinion. All right, so that's the final
poll question there. I saw where Caitlin Clark has a
new shoe out and Angel Reese applauding.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Does Angel Reese have her own shoe?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
She does?
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Okay, good, I don't want that that nightmare happening. You
sold more shoes because who's playing them, Kate.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Caitlin Clark doesn't have to play another game, and she
could sell shoes the rest of her life. Probably she
could be like Michael Jordan. You know, Jordan hadn't played
in how many years, but his shoes have never been
more popular. Caitlyn Clark in that demo, that market could
probably just sell shoes, yeah, Pauli.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Yeah, the whole line comes out on October first. What
did you guys think of the logo? It's kind of
like two c's combined together. It reminds you of something,
doesn't it?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Marvin? What's it remind you of?
Speaker 7 (03:43):
Calling Nike?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Sooner than later?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I thought maybe that she might run into a little
bit of trouble there. But then I don't know, you know,
Nike's not afraid of kind of bringing in controversy. But
it's okay. I didn't think it was great. It was like, okay,
but you got your Caitlin Clark's shoe? How many how
many WNBA players, Sabrina Iynescu has her.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Shoe, Brianna Stewart, Angel Reese, Asia Wilson.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
That's it?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Okay, well pretty good.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Is there a favorite shoe? Did you wait until after
you were old enough that you had the money that
you could go back and buy shoes because I couldn't
afford them growing up. I remember wearing a high top
Converse and they were nine to ninety nine. I remember
buying them at a discount store in downtown Cincinnati, Ben's
Department Store nine dollars and ninety nine cents. But there
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were these Adidas superstars.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Oh man, did I want those?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Couldn't get them for a long, long long time. And
that I remember going out and buying them, and they
were great shoes. I still think those that's the best
shoe looking shoe, the Shelt, I think the best shoe
ever made. Did you wear them with jeans? You could
wear them to a wedding.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
If you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I think they're that gorgeous and they are great looking shoes.
But I remember when they came out and Pete Maravitch
was wearing them, and UCLA Basketball had him, and then
Jerry West was you know, had gold stripes with his Adidas.
I'm thinking, God, I'd go to NBA games, I'd stare
at the shoes I was fascinated with. They had those
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convers low cut that had swayed, that would bleed through
and your socks would be red. And I remember being
on the floor in Cincinnati and Mike Reardon was a
basketball player for the Bullets, the then Baltimore Bullets, and
he had low cut Kevin Lockery had low cut shoes. Remember,
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you know, just certain players where I watched this. I
just love those shoes. And Jerry West had the gold
stripe on his low cut Adidas.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yes, Todd.
Speaker 8 (06:03):
The ones I loved were the Puma Clyde. Same problem
of you stepped into a puddle or something, especially if
it like the blue ones, your sock was just totally
covered like in a blue ink or something. But puumcclyde
and that material, that vlaura, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Was awesome.
Speaker 9 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, that was a big deal. Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Those were not good shoes to play basketball, and they
were heavy.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
They were not good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I feel like the first real pair of sneakers I
ever got. H that I was like, whoa, this is sick.
I think in like sixth grade maybe I got Jordan grapes.
Those like they're like white, uh and like I don't know,
like teal and purple maybe something like that, but they're
called grapes and those. That was like the first time
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that I ever got sneakers that when they got dirty out,
it's like, no, don't miss up with sneakers.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, PAULI.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Just before Michael Jordan's shoes came out, Congress came out
with Converse weapons with Bird and Magic and Birds were
a little workshoe looking. They were very dark, but the
Lakers colors on those Magic shoes and he and Bird
were back to back on the Sports Illustrated. That was
a great shoe at the time. Just before Michael took over.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah, but it was heavy, heavy, heavy. Hated that shoe.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I like the Lakers colors, birds look like they were
they were work boots. They were like Doc Martin's, except
for they were an NBA version of Doc Martin's, except
they weren't that cool looking. But yeah, when you get
to a certain play, a lot of times what you
buy is what you couldn't buy when you were of
a certain age. Guys will buy cars because they can't
(07:38):
couldn't buy that car when they were growing up. Now
you have some money, a lot of guys go back
and get a sixty five Corvette.
Speaker 10 (07:44):
Yes, Marvin, Yeah, Nostalgia's undefeated, and especially in the sneaker
game for somebody like me. I'm forty one. Everyone in
my age range when the new Jordans come out or
the retro Jordans, man, I couldn't buy those in nineteen
ninety six because there's no way my mom or somebody
else's mom was gonna one hundred and thirty dollars pair
of shoes. But now everyone's got a job, everyone's got
a little bit disposed to income. I'm buying three pairs
(08:07):
of those. If I could.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
You go into some of these stores and they wrapped
the shoe in cell of fane or you know, protection,
and you're a collector and you're going in there, and
you know, we've had guests on here where their backdrop
is all their shoes. It's like a piece of art
that you're showcasing this. But I wore mine. I'm wearing
my shoes. I never went I'm gonna put these away.
(08:34):
Should have, but I never did that. I'm like, now
I'm out there playing and then you look at them
and you're like, they got roughed up.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
But so what That's why I didn't.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I didn't, you know, buy them so I could keep
them as a collector's item. Now I should have, But
I'm just saying at the time, I'm like, no, I'm
wearing these suckers. Man, gonna elevate my game. Yeah, Paul,
I was just.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Reading about when Nike signed Bo Jackson, they want to
do a shoe, but football shoes don't sell and baseball
shoes don't sell. But Bo was playing all these different
sports and they said, how about a cross trainer, which
hadn't been invented as a term really yet for shoes,
And they had these tan white and blue, and I
had three different pair of these. Cross trainers is one
of the best selling shoes in Nike history. But they
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had to come up with something around Bo Jackson.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, that was one of those that you had to
have cross trainers, And I don't know what they were
even for, because it wasn't like I wanted to go
mountain climbing or you go jogging, but you don't you
have cross trainers.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
I'm like, no, I don't. Yes, Tom, would you.
Speaker 8 (09:35):
Be interested this for all you guys, that's a fancy
car you always wanted to bet you could or would
never drive just to show it off or just have
it locked away somewhere just to have the feeling of,
look what I got, and you're never going to ever
drive it because you don't want the mileage to even
change one tenth of a mile.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Well, I have cars that I love looking at. It's
a piece of art, it's rolling art. But I don't
have any problem driving then I don't worry about putting
miles on them.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
But there are people.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I met a guy who had a nineteen sixty eight
Corvette and he never drove it. He wrapped it in
cellophane or some kind of protection, and he wanted it
to be brand new, and so I don't know if
he kept it. But I didn't really know him. I
(10:24):
just met him and I go, why do you have
the why'd you wrap up your corvette? He goes, Oh,
I'm never going to drive it.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And I go, okay, And.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Maybe somebody paid a lot of money for a sixty
eight corvette that you certainly had low miles on it.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Yes, Todd, isn't that a little bizarre.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
I'm not to judging anybody, But like a painting, you
don't do anything with it. You're not going to paint
over it or trace it or anything you put on
the wall to look at. To also do that with
a car and never ever take it out once, just
for a couple of minutes or one special night out.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
This seems weird, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Remember we were talking yesterday about me texting people who
have passed away, that I keep them in my phone.
My mom, a couple of my good friends. I just
got this text and it's from the phone of my
friend who just passed away a couple of months ago. Hi, Dan,
(11:17):
it's perfectly perfectly okay to text dead people's phones. This
is from his family member. The survivors enjoy looking back
at all the text and reading them. Maybe the real
question is should I be texting you from Tom's phone?
(11:39):
Hope you're doing well?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I miss him? How about that? Todd?
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Okay, thank you for that?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
My pipe and smoking? Yes, okay, new pole question hour three.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Weirder person texting the dead person, person texting as the
dead person?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Okay, fair, fair, you're not you don't shut off the phone.
After a few months.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
You got the friends and fair only.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I still paying that bill? Uh no, I got it
five lines?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
That's expensive.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (12:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I last text him February seventeenth. I said you made
me cry, bastard rest in peace.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Finally heard back from him. It took a while. I
don't know what he's doing. What are you there, Brandon
in New Mexico? Hi Brandon, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7 (12:31):
Grew up morn, sir? How are you doing well? I was.
I was kicking back thinking about shoes. Do you remember
Walter Payton with the bruise?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
I want to tell you that arch Banning is never
going to see them. It's never gonna happen. That wasn't
my point. Wasn't the shoes. But you started talking about
shoes and it got me, all right.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Well, thank you, Brandon arch isn't winning the heisman? Marvin agrees, Uh,
Mike in La, Hi, Mike, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Hey Dan?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (13:05):
I already used to go down the gardens myself, Cincinnati
gardens and watch the Celtic. It wasn't a shame we
could never get by the Celtics. That's why I hated
their shoes. I hated their uniforms. I hated everything about
a Celtic anyway, the probably the coolest thing I wanted
to get to the Browns repe for the coolest thing
is foot where obviously it was in baseball in the
early seventies when the A's donned they're all white shoes.
(13:28):
It was probably the coolest thing I've ever seen in
the game of baseball. YEP, with their wonderful uniforms.
Speaker 11 (13:34):
Remember that.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
No, I love big Reggie Jackson fan. I love those uniforms,
the white shoes. It was great. When you saw that.
It was like, whoa wait a minute here, what are
the Oakland A's doing? Yes, Marvin underrated great uniform for me.
Late eighties, early nineties, Oakland Athletics, All White, Jose, Mark Maguire,
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Ricky Henderson, Dave Stewart, okay, clean, Dodger White. There's no
wrong answers here, It's just your personal preference, yes.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Mark, except for you and Teal. Oh yeah, Teals terrible, terrible? Uh,
Steven in Virginia, High Steve, what's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Hey, good morning, gentlemen, Good morning.
Speaker 12 (14:19):
Just listening to your conversation about Aaron Donald. How do
you feel it was tragic when he passed? But Jerome
Brown in comparison to Aaron Donald, how much of an
impact or how much more of an impact do you
think he would have made that he survived.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Well, he was a great player, and that's another one
of those interior disruptors. But you had Reggie White there,
you had other you know, they had really good defenses there.
But Jerome Brown.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
He was a beast.
Speaker 13 (14:47):
He was a beast.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
But then you had Reggie White as well. Reggie might
be the most dominant defender that I ever saw him,
or mean Joe Green, Now, I'll throw the Lawrence Taylor
in there, but Laurence could run himself out of a
play as well. It felt like me and Joe Green
and Reggie Aaron Donald, they were always involved in a
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play lt you know, he created havoc. But you know,
there there have been great defenders, but as far as
guys who physically were disrupting, you know, you have you know,
defensive backs, but it just different. I mean Reggie White,
you watch him sometimes and he just pushing three hundred
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pound men around.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah, PAULI, Reggie White was first team All Pro at
age twenty four and age thirty eight. Yeah, let that soakin, Yeah,
and a bunch of times in between.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And mean, Joe Green was truly mean, like he would
you know, he spit on I think Conrad Dobler and
but that that Steeler defense is as that might be
the best defense I ever saw Steele Curtain because you
had guys who couldn't even get on the field who
turned out to be great defenders eventually.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I mean they were stacked. That was great.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Well, it wasn't great because I was a Bengal fan
back then and we had to play the Steelers and
be like, oh my god, poor Ken Anderson's gonna get crushed.
Let me take a break when we come back. Newpole
question and more of your phone calls as well. We're
just getting started. Maybe I'll hear from other dead people, Todd.
Maybe my mom will reach out to me. Yeah, I
(16:34):
wonder what she would say to you, since you made
fun of me reaching out just talking to my mom.
Speaker 8 (16:40):
You wouldn't be happy with me.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
She probably wouldn't be. Well, take a break. We're back
after this.
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Speaker 2 (17:51):
I've been talking about Aaron Donald, how I think he's
underrated and I'd love having that defensive tackle nose tack. Well,
he disrupts everything up the middle, and Aaron Donald certainly
did that. We ran down some other names in NFL history.
I know edge rushers get a lot of attention, certainly cornerbacks,
but that guy up the middle that just changes everything
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and lo and behold, Fritzy reaches out to Trevor Sikima,
the Pro Football Focus Lead Draft analyst host of NFL
Stock Exchange podcast. Help me understand the metrics for Pro
Football Focus on the most valuable If I put Aaron Donald,
and I said TJ. Watt like, how do you equate
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the value of Aaron Donald to TJ. Watt or another
edge rusher Miles Garrett.
Speaker 14 (18:41):
Yeah, So we have a model over at PFF dot com.
It's called win's above average, wins above replacement, whatever you
want to call it, and actually it's available for our
team clients to be able to use. It's not a
PFF plus product that we have there, and honestly it's
because a lot of stuff goes into it. And the
question that you asked is it's a tough one, right.
I mean, I think in baseball, a lot of people
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will reference wins, above average, winsbow replacement, that kind of stuff,
and it's a little bit easier because a lot of
the stats are a little bit more common. We're viewing
things on a little bit more of a of an
equal playing field, especially when it comes to offense. But
in the NFL it's different, and it really is a
total team game and it is tough to individualize those
certain performances.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
But with the model that we have, you know.
Speaker 14 (19:26):
We get to take things into account like PFF grades,
which of course grade every single player on every single play,
which kind of tell us how well a player is
executing their job, and then we're able to give a
little bit of value to that with the rise in
popularity and perfection of the EPA per play, EPA per rush,
those kinds of metrics. So now all of a sudden,
(19:47):
you have stats that or grades, data points I should say,
that allow you to grade performance.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
And then we also have a.
Speaker 14 (19:54):
Data point that gives you a little bit of an
idea for value. And so going back to your question
of like hey, Aaron Donald versus TJ. Watt versus Miles Garrett,
it all kind of comes down to how an individual
player is making an individual play and necessarily not only
how much are they leaned upon just themselves on an island,
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if you will, but also does doing their job either
at a net zero level or a positive or a
negative level, how much that actually impacts the football game.
And so we have our own wins above Average metric,
which a lot of those things sort of get into it,
and we can get into that a little bit deeper
for as much as I can. I didn't invent the
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metric myself. I just kind of know it pretty well
from everything that we do. But it is that way
where we take a total team game and try to
give these guys individual value and just to what you
were talking about about, you know Aaron Donald before, it
felt like he was breaking our wins above average model
sometimes with how much he was able to impact the
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game at his high of a level. But we have
to take that into a when we do stuff like that.
Speaker 15 (21:01):
Least valuable defensive position is what oh I would say.
I would say the least valuable is often linebacker because
the word replacement or average does a lot of the
heavy lifting for this formula when you get linebackers, of course,
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like Fred Warner is at the very top of the list,
and it's because of what he can do in coverage,
as a run defender, as a pass rusher. He does
all of those things. But there are so many linebackers
that don't have that capability to give you those plus
grades and maybe more important, just those even grades of
not screwing up his job the way that Fred Warner
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does that with a high floor and a high ceiling.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
So a guy like that will have a winds.
Speaker 14 (21:46):
Above average that is a little bit closer to you know,
normal interior defender. Some edge rushers guys like that, but
there's a lot of linebackers that it gets a lot
lower to that zero point zero wins above average number
the further you go down from Fred Warner, and it
doesn't take you long to get to that point. So
I think that the most valuable linebackers in the league
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still hold that word a ton of value themselves. But
there's just a lot of guys that, much like the
running back position, the more replaceable you are, the more
close to average you are, the less value you're going
to hold.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Like that, if the Bengals ask you and Pro Football
Focus if they should give Trey Hendrickson a three year
deal or just giv him a one year deal and
let him walk, what would Pro Football Focus tell the Bengals.
Speaker 14 (22:35):
Yeah, I think that it comes down to sort of
exactly what the conversation ended up being between these two parties,
and that is, he's I believe thirty right now, are
about to thurn thirty one. What does his performance look
like in twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven? Where
is that drop off there? And you know, it's a
little bit of a different metric. I don't know, you know,
if we have something out there for necessary like age decline,
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but I can tell you from a wins above average standpoint,
the only edge rusher that we had in our system
that was more valuable than Trey Henderson, who led the
NFL and pressures last year, was Miles Garrett. And the
reason why Miles Garrett was a little bit higher is
simply because he was better as a run defender. But
Trey was doing his job extremely well out and I
would stack that up with the rest of the team
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there with the Bengals, you're not just looking at what
Trey Henderson is versus the rest of the league. Of course,
that goes into the overall number of what you're discussing
with the contract, but it also goes into who else
do you have on your team, Because if you look
at the Bengals, the three players that are higher and
wins above average or the three that you would expect,
it's t Higgins, it's Jamar Chason, of course is Joe Burrow,
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but after that it's Trey Henderson, and then you know
the next guy on the team is much much lower.
So I would certainly tell the Bengals, like, hey, if
you want to compete for a Super Bowl, if you
want to compete in what is maybe the toughest division
in the NFL, you probably cannot do it with this guy,
and you're not going to be able to replace him
in the aggregate.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Trevor Sikamau, the Pro Football Focus Lead NFL Draft analyst
co host of NFL Stock Exchange podcast. For a guy
who won the Heisman and is coming in and maybe
playing both ways, there is little conversation about Travis Hunter,
which I find remarkable. Has Pro Football Focus looked at
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what's more valuable in all Pro cornerback or an All
Pro wide receiver with Travis Hunter?
Speaker 14 (24:30):
So these guys are it is pretty close between those.
Because you know, as we were putting together and again
I wasn't in the beginning stages of this. I've just
done a lot of reading up on it and had
conversations with a lot of people who kind of came
up with this metric for us. What we realized is
that wins above average and wins above replacement in the
game of football gets a lot higher the further you
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are away from the ball, actually because normally you have
less help, right, I mean, like when you're closer to
the ball, if you're in the box. You know, as
an interior defensive lineman or a linebacker and even sometimes
edge rushers. You have a lot of help next to you.
But when you get all the way out to the
sideline and it's a corner and a wide receiver, you're
on an island. It's all about your individual skills. How
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can you get open? How can you not let a
receiver get open? And what we have figured out is
that some years it can flip right. Some years the
highest wins above average wide receiver like a Jamar Chase
or a Justin Jefferson can be a little bit higher.
But last year, for example, it was Patrick Shirtan. He
was the highest graded defender that we had from a
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wins above average standpoint. He ends up winning Defensive Player
of the Year, and it's just because of exactly what
he's able to do. You can stick him on an
island against the other team's best playmaker in the passing
game and he can totally take him away. That is
unbelievably valuable from an individual standpoint in a team game.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
So it is sort of close.
Speaker 14 (25:52):
But to answer your question, I think that for the
most part, if you are a true top tier, top
five corner, that is going to be more valuable than
even the top wide receivers, because again we get back
to scarcity. There's a lot of wide receivers who can
do it at a very high level. There's not a
ton of corners that you can go out there and
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tell them to play cat cover and say, hey, you
go cover that cat, make sure he doesn't catch the football.
The top ones do, and our numbers reflect that type
of scarcity and that value. So that's why I was
a big proponent of Travis Hunter being a corner in
the NFL and understanding that if you wanted to get
benefit of the both sides of the ball with him,
you'd probably have to play him a little bit differently.
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But I always said, you can play him full time
at corner, get maximum value there, and then moonlight him
a little bit as a wide receiver and sort of
get that value there. You can't do the opposite. You
can't have a guy play full time at wide receiver
and then say hey, go play a couple of plays
at corner or at least it's really damn.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Difficult to do that.
Speaker 14 (26:53):
So that's why I was a big proponent of him
playing cornerback because our wins above average model sort of
spoke to that value there.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Does Pro Football Focus have Hall of Fame grades?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I don't know if we do.
Speaker 14 (27:06):
Our data goes back to two thousand and six, and
I know that that every year we kind of try
to take the data a little bit further, you know,
like we'll watch a bunch of the season for ROH
five before all those kinds of things. But I'm not sure.
I'm not sure if we have a specific Hall of
Fame grades for all those guys that are in the Hall.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, well, even those who could get in the Hall
of Fame, like pending Hall of famers.
Speaker 14 (27:30):
Yes, we definitely would, certainly, certainly, certainly if they're recent guys, Yes,
like Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Is Russell Wilson, by your metrics, already a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 14 (27:40):
Yeah, I mean that's that is a great question. I
wouldn't be able to answer off the top of my head.
But I do know that Russell has a ton of value. Again,
like I know that just from off the top of
my head. If you were making a case for Russell
Wilson to make the Hall of Fame, his wins above
average numbers I think would really help him in that case.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Like I really do.
Speaker 14 (28:02):
I think that's a it's a great case study. It's
a great you might have just given me a future
article to write over at PFF dot com. They're looking
at some of those guys who are active players and
might have a Hall of Fame case. But I do
know off the top of my head that that would
be a metric that would help him because I've seen
him at the very top of that list a handful
of times.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Great to talk to you. We'll talk to you during
the season. Thank you, Trevor, appreciate deep anytime. Trevor Sikima
Pro Football Focus, the lead NFL draft analyst. They got
all of this information, all this data, and there they
probably won Patrick certain the defensive player of the year.
When you think about all the data that they had,
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and you know, the wins above replacement because if you
watch Denver, like sometimes watching a defensive back, there's nothing
to watch. If they're that good, you're probably not going
in their direction. And edge rusher has a chance to
make an impact, you can see him. You may just
stay away from the left side of the field with
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Patrick Sirtan, But yeah, some of the data that they
have fascinates me.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
All right, Dean in Dallas. Hi Deane, what's on your mind?
Speaker 12 (29:14):
Hey Dan?
Speaker 11 (29:15):
Six six seventy. Hey you're an Aaron Donald topic again today?
And my favorite play ever in the NFL or it
should be a statue outside of Sofar is Aaron Donald
taking Ezekiel Elliott with one arm and throwing him into
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dark Prescott. It's amazing. Paullie, look it.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Up, Polly, look it up. You're not doing anything over there.
Jim in Portland, Hi Jim, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Dan?
Speaker 16 (29:52):
I Today it's my thirtieth wedding anniversary, which makes it
the thirtieth anniversary of when you crashed the my rehearsal
dinner party in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, at a restaurant
where you It's kind of a crazy story, but one
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of my guests at the wedding was good friends with
Jay Billis and wanted to see Jay, who was not
coming to the wedding, so asked me if Jay could
come to the party after the rehearsal dinner. We had
rented the restaurant for the night. Everybody's going to be there,
so I said, sure.
Speaker 11 (30:27):
Bring Jay.
Speaker 16 (30:28):
So Jay comes, and then you showed up, apparently with Jay.
I still don't even know the whole story, and it
caused quite a stir. My cousins were very impressed with
me that somehow Dan Patrick showed up. My mom commented
at the end of the night that she had no
idea who you were, but everybody seemed excited you were there,
and that you were very tall and handsome, and you
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paid for a lot of drinks of other people, which
she really appreciated. So kind of become a famous story
in my family. And I just wanted to thank you
and acknowledge.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, Jim, congratulations to you and your wife on thirty years.
And it's our anniversary today and I will celebrate accordingly.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
So thank you for the phone call.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
Okay, see all right.
Speaker 17 (31:16):
I don't remember that.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
It's thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, that was that was prime Sports Center days. It
was a big deal back Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, wonder
his mom thought I was handsome?
Speaker 7 (31:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, hello, yeah, mind if we dance?
Speaker 4 (31:39):
I was slaying back then. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
So is this your sister? Your mother? No, come on,
she looks like she could be your sister. Come here,
come here. Oh how about that song? Do you want
to dance?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
How about I sing to you a little berry white.
Oh that's sad, very very sad. All right, let me
take a break and happy anniversary today. My anniversary is
coming up on the twenty ninth.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
What day is that? Is that Friday?
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Friday?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 10 (32:19):
Where are we going?
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Uh? Nowhere? Didn't you celebrate my anniversary, PAULI?
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Yeah, I think see. And I attended a dinner with
you and your wife and MC at a super.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Bowl that was New Orleans, no, no, Houston. We definitely
sat at one end of the table.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Oh, I know, I know that was I know it
was weird. Wait where we celebrating? Am my anniversary in Dublin?
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Dublin?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Oh it's Dublin.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
You guys had planned a nice night out for two,
a very very nice restaurant with oysters. Yes, and for
some reason, you casually throughout if you guys aren't doing
it any tonight, stop by, and it felt like a
real invitation.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Well, when we go on the road, it's amazing how
many friends I have. I'll be going out to dinner
next thing, I know, Paulio, Hey what are you thinking
for dinner? And I go, well, it's my anniversary. It's
gonna go out with my wife.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah, where are you going?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Then all of a sudden, paulioll go oh, I just
you know, I googled it. That's a nice place. They
got oysters there yet, table for six You guys you
interested in going?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Oh yeah, it's definitely a better meal than what I
was probably gonna have, like going to get a bag
of Walgreens trail mix that I normally eat for dinner.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Well, I blame you.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
You gave us the you guys are welcome to join us,
which means you don't want us to join us when
you say you're welcome to and we took you up
on it.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
All right, Now, that's a good dinner too, Yes, that was.
How about we take a break. Let's take a break,
last call for phone calls, what we learn, what's in
store tomorrow, all of that right after this.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
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Speaker 2 (34:12):
I was out in the mailroom and I saw we
got a package full of potato chips.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Seton. Did you mention grippas I did?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, we just got a whole box of potato chips
out there, the greatest potato chips in the world. Yeah, no,
we didn't. Yes, yes, somebody from the Home office there.
They were like, thank you. We fell out of our
chair when Seaton brought up the potato.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Chip, best potato chips in the whole world. I had
them driving once, driving through Ohio and we just stopped
at a random gas station or whatever to fill up,
and I grabbed the bag of potato chips. Holly smokes.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
A couple of phone calls here, this day in sports history,
this day in movie history, all of that. Sneak a
few phone calls in here. Nick in the Ozarks, Hey, Nick,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 18 (34:59):
Hey, A long time I wanted to talk to you
about the tennis shoes. We wore those Adida superstars that
you talked about for three years and then my senior
year they decided to switch to the wonderful shoe called
the pro ked Swede. Yeah, we talked about it. We
(35:22):
went through three pairs in a single season, every one
of us. Because they they did deal with Zion Williamson
put through the sidewall.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I know, those looked good. They weren't good shoes. But
Pete Maravich wore the pro Heads as well, but they
were heavy shoes as well. Adida Superstar best best tennis
shoe ever made.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Sean and Daytona Beach. Hey, Sean, Dan, thanks for calling
me back.
Speaker 17 (35:49):
Yep, six foot point two this morning, we are talking
about shoes.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
Back to school.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
Now.
Speaker 17 (35:57):
I just turned fifty a few weeks ago. We didn't
have a whole lot of money growing up, so I
was never allowed to get to Jordan's or the quote
unquote expensive shoes. Well, when I was twelve years old,
starting seventh grade, I picked out a pair of Chuck
Taylors and I wore them in the gym class and
they were blaze orange. Coach never let me live it
down how much he hated those shoes for five years
(36:18):
in that school.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Awful, all right, thank you, Sean. Yeah, I wore a
high top. We had white Chuck Taylors, and then we
went crazy my senior year we had black high top
Chuck Taylors. It was a big deal. It was a
big deal for the Mason comments. I'll tell you that
CJ and New Hampshire.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
I CJ.
Speaker 9 (36:38):
Hey, Dan A long time list their first time caller
five seven in athletic two ten calling in I've had
this long debate going. I'm an Eagles fan. I got
a lot of Patriots fans around me up here in
New Hampshire. I have been arguing whether or not Drew
Bledsoe is worse than Nick Foles. I think Nick Foles
(37:02):
is better than Drew Bledsoe. I understand Bletsoe had a
longer career, but I think if you tripled Nick foles career,
it would be just as good as Bloodshow's. I wanted
your opinion. Thank you, Dan in the.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
You can't triple his career. His career is his career, cjing.
Speaker 9 (37:16):
Like if with the accolades that Nick Foles has with
like setting the most touchdown passes in a single game,
most touchdowns thrown without an interception. You know, Bledsoe had
a long career, but did he really achieve anything other
than just throwing.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
He threw a lot of yards.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
I understand he's I think in the top ten for
passing yards all time, or somewhere in the top twenty.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Well, Drew bled Drew Bledshoe is a better quarterback. But
Nick Foles had better highlights.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
But thank you.
Speaker 12 (37:44):
CJ.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Doyn't know if I answered your debate, because I think
you wanted me to lean towards Nick Foles. Nick Foles
is one of those great curiosities in NFL history.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
It's like he is so good too, he's a backup.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
He's so good he's winning a super Bowl to be
a backup. Yes, Marvin, the word is choppy. Oh, choppy
is the new word. The new word choppy. How about
this day in movie history?
Speaker 5 (38:09):
Paul, of course, This Day in movie History released on
this date in nineteen eighty seven, The movie Dirty Dancing
dan two hundred and thirteen million dollars at the box office,
number one hit song and songs plural. The soundtrack went
to number one. Who likes the movie loves the movie?
Does not like the movie Dirty Dancing?
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Todd I like it a lot, and I like the
song alot. Seaton, I remember liking it.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Marvin, I like it, Yeah, I do. I mean Patrick
Swayze does great good hair.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Yeah, what do I s it? Jennifer Gray?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yes, yeah, I just I'm not a I'm not a
dancing movie guy. I'm not really somebody who's like, oh cool.
Another movie about people dancing. Sign me up, it's not
usually my thing.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
I like it when they're in the lake, when they're
deady hold her up. The dancing me. Yeah, don't try
that at all.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
They give the little at the end, they give each
other a little nod like, let's.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Go for it, let's do it.
Speaker 10 (39:17):
Yes, that whole era, that mid eighties. Man, they really
love dancing movies. You know what, don't let us we're
going to dance anyway.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Well you have foot loose. I'm read loose, Dirty Dancing,
Flash Chance.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
The TV show.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Man and Jennifer biles O. Jennifer Beals had kind of
a Phoebe Kates like there was a vibe.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
To be fair, though they've done that storyline a million times.
Welding by day dancing by night.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I think j Lo did that. She was welder and
then she became a dancer. Yes, they should bring back
the leg warmers. I thought that was a good look.
Teas the hair up with the leg warmers. Jane Fonda,
Olivia Newton, John they gave us the leg warmers.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Yeah, there's two more dancing movies for you.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah, Grease, Oh, Grease too.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
And uh it was a Saturday night fever Saturday Night Fever.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
And then the follow up was.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Whether they all moved to LA and become fitness instructors.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
And then we just love to dance. That's all home
videos the next big thing.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Let's go around the room, see if we learned anything, Todd,
Do you learn anything today?
Speaker 7 (40:37):
I did?
Speaker 8 (40:37):
Bill in Washington Belause Andrew Luck would have won Super
Bowls and have been among the all time greats if
he hadn't retired early Seaton.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
What did you learn today? You crashed a party thirty
years ago? Today? I know with Jay billis.
Speaker 10 (40:49):
Or Revis first team All Pro with no interceptions.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
And no highlights.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Paul Benducci had to pay four fifty for his Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Jersey Todd from Paulie.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
Reggie White was able to make first Team All Pro
as youngest twenty four and his oldest thirty eight. How
about that?
Speaker 4 (41:05):
What we learned?
Speaker 2 (41:05):
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Speaker 4 (41:32):
We're all one to close it to death.
Speaker 8 (41:33):
I believe you said earlier this month
Speaker 4 (41:36):
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