September 9, 2025 • 41 mins
Renowned author Seth Wickersham drops by to talk about his latest book and the history of great quarterbacks in the NFL. Plus, Dan and the Danettes consider who were the most famous quarterbacks of their lifetimes.
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Thank you for downloading the app. We'll have a poll
question for hour two. Seth Wickersham, senior writer at The Mothership,
has a new book and it's all about quarterbacks. Here's
something I want to bring up to him, because it
used to be the focus of the NFL was about
(01:52):
the running back. It wasn't about the quarterback. And I
want to know when that changed. When we went from
you know, Jim Brown and Marion Motley and all of
these you know, hop Along Cassidy and Red Grange and
Jim then it went to the quarterback. When did that happen?
Because now we've had quarterbacks who have been celebrities back
(02:15):
in the twenties, thirties and forties, but now that that
is the marquee position in all the sports, being a
quarterback for an NFL team.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
But the book is.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Great and it deals with the evolution of the quarterback
in not only the NFL but also in college. So
he'll join us coming up a little bit later on
Minnesota wins twenty seven to twenty four. If I said
fill in the blank, let's do an early fill in
the blank, Marvin, I'll start with you. After last night,
(02:50):
the Vikings are blank.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Contenders. Dylan better than I thought, a dangerous.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Seatan solid after last night, the Bears are blank Todd
disappointing Seaton, who we.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Thought they were? Ooh ooh, Marvin, what Seaton said? Dylan
not terrible on offense? Yeah, I expected. I thought I
was going to get more.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I thought the Bears were going to win that game,
and it certainly looked like that seventeen to six going
into the fourth quarter. And whatever they did to JJ
McCarthy the first three quarters, they forgot to do in
the final quarter. But it did feel like Kevin O'Connell
gave him a little bit more latitude or longitude, and
he took advantage of it a couple of touchdown passes,
(03:45):
touchdown run and it started to look and feel like okay.
Because I, once again I've said this before, I've said
it many times on the show. I've watched him play
and nothing really stood out. But I think, you know,
that's a partial blame to Jim Harbaugh because I kept thinking,
(04:07):
all right, you got this top ten talent, they run
the football and play defense that Jim didn't really sway
from that. And now I did see him in a
game against Ohio State, where you go, okay, but I
didn't see enough of that. And I remember, you know,
one of my sources is a scout, and he goes, no,
the guy wins, and I go, but now, what's that mean?
(04:32):
He somehow does what he needs to do when you
need him to do it. That's how it was defined
to me. And you saw that last night in the
fourth quarter. Now he didn't show that in the first
three quarters. Now glimpses, But Caleb Williams is supposed to
have those kind of games. We're waiting. That's six consecutive
home losses for the Bears, and they were booed as
(04:52):
they left the field last night, and you got Detroit
coming up on a short work week for the Bears.
But Caleb Williams, he shows glimpses. I just want him
to be great for a game. That's that's what happens
with quarterbacks in the NFL. It's not just hey I'm
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good in the first quarter or hey I had a
great first half. It's you got to be consistent and
then you got to be great. That's usually what you
find out with these Marquee Courton like, you know, he
saw Josh Allen, all right, he's good. Now he needs
to be great, and he was. You know, Lamar Jackson
was great. But I need that quarterback who's going to
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be I'll keep my team in the in the game,
or he might be leading, but when you need me
the most, that's when I step up. That's what separated
Brady from everybody, Patrick Mahomes from everybody game on the line.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
We got that guy.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And you saw that last night with JJ McCarthy, And
I think that that was the surprising part of it,
is where was it and why didn't you know all
of a sudden emerge. Here is JJ McCarthy on winning
and keeping composure.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
You know, I felt like I did a really good
job with that, and you know, just feeding off the
energy of my teammates and my coaches, you know, helped
me out tremendously. But you know, at the end of
the day, you know, we're so blessed to be able
to play this game. So every snap we get is
a complete blessing. And you know that's something that I
was mentioning to the guys in the huddle while we
were down, like where else.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Would you rather be?
Speaker 6 (06:25):
So I feel like, you know, we did a great job,
and this team showed a lot of poise and responded
very well.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
We'll get two phone calls coming up eight seven to
seven three DP Show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com Twitter handle.
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The Dan Patrick Show. We had phone issues yesterday and
I said, if you want a call in today best
and worst of the weekend, then we'll do that on
(06:53):
a Tuesday. Reggie in South Carolina leads us off second
hour high reg.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
What's going on, man, I just want to talk about
them Indianapolis coach man coming down the whole rocket, showing
them Dolphins down man. Yes, Sir, Daniel Jones QB rating
one sixteen man resurrect.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Alrighty, Reg. I didn't expect Reg calling in and Daniel
Jones shout out QBR Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 8 (07:26):
Reggie sounds a lot like James in Virginia. He's not
gonna fool me. You're not gonna fool me.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Twice Reggie, Josh and San Antonio, Good morning, Josh.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 9 (07:38):
What's up Dan?
Speaker 10 (07:39):
Longtime listener here. I just wanted to kind of go
off the board here.
Speaker 11 (07:44):
I always enjoy your interviews with two receivers, in particular
my man Michael Irvin and Steve Smith eighty nine, and
I just wanted to throw my hat in the ring
and you can join the bandwagon. Can we start the
campaign to get Steve Smith Soior into the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Because there are.
Speaker 11 (08:01):
Very there's a short list of receivers that I would
draft that I know that I could go to in
crunch time that's going to be a dog in big games,
and Steve Smith Senior is.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Right at the top of that.
Speaker 11 (08:12):
He was a triple Crown winner after breaking his leg
the season before. He played big time minutes and he
knew you could always come on him down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well, he certainly helped Cam that rookie year because he
was whenever Cam needed to bail out, somebody to bail
him out. Steve Smith was wonderful, but I'd have to
look at the numbers. I think he got overshadowed certainly
playing with Cam. But he played in the Super Bowl,
(08:43):
and Steve was tough, really really tough guy. Let's see
Bill in Tampa. Hi, Bill, what's on your mind?
Speaker 12 (08:52):
Good morning, DP and dan Esh. We've got two bets
of the weekend, A comment and a question, if I
may right. My first best is too and oh usf Bothie.
They are no cream buffs. My second is Tommy DeVito
getting a progressive commercial, and now that he's in New England,
maybe we could start calling him Tommy klam Stouder.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Right, Thank you, Bill, Yes you see that's pretty funny commercial.
Yeah I have.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I don't know if it's Tommy clam Chatter, but I
always thought Tommy Salami was going to be a great one,
but nobody went with that.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
It was Tommy Cutler's. I don't know how about Tommy
clam Chatter. I love that. That's the best joke of
the week, best joke of the month. How about Tommy clamchowder.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Gregg in North Carolina? How about Tommy lobster.
Speaker 10 (09:44):
Kittyp I got my best and worst of the week,
Best of the week, and you touched on this a
lot already, as JJ McCarthy last night.
Speaker 13 (09:53):
Went into the season kind of wondering why they'd give
up a quarterback that won twelve games for somebody that
didn't make it through pre season last year.
Speaker 10 (10:00):
And I think we got to see a little bit
of that last night. Worse of the week was definitely
the Browns went into the season with no expectation whatsoever,
and defense looked really good.
Speaker 13 (10:12):
Thought we had a chance to win that game, and
we ended it in about as big as Browns fashion
as we could.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I thought the Browns were going to win that game,
because I mean, why not everything that's happened in the
offseason and somehow they would win that game.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And they should have won that game.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I mean, you shut down what is supposed to be
maybe the best offense in football or the best passing
game in football. It's seven yards in the second half
and still couldn't you know they pulled out a win.
I mean, that's what's amazing. Brown's defense played really well.
But do you have that opportunity? I don't even know
(10:52):
if I'm sure the Browns want to win, But do
they really really want to win? If you're a Browns fan,
are you hoping that they were bad and then maybe
you're you're gonna get a quarterback?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 8 (11:06):
This feels like the movie Major League, where the players
want to win, but ownership has no interest in winning,
so he can get the number one pick.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Matt in Utah, Hi, Matt, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 12 (11:17):
Hey? Dan?
Speaker 14 (11:18):
Just the best the worst of the weekend, and a
pilot of face offer. Oh, also five to nine and
a hard one sixty Uh, that's the weekend. My Utah
Youth's barely skinned by the cow Poly Mustang sixty three
to nine. Course of the weekend. My Denver Bronco's barely
(11:40):
beating a terrible Titans team. Also for my pilot face,
I was trying to do a self proposed Utah Youth
beating the Texas Tech Writers next week by self proposed
over eight and a half. If I lose all cold
Plunge Fair asked into the chili great falt Lake.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I'm rooting for Utah, so I'm not gonna take you up.
I don't think I mean Texas Tech spent a lot
of money in the off season.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Utah is a great program.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I don't think you have any takers, Matt, But thank you,
thank you for the offer. Very kind of, very generous
to jump naked into salt Lake. Nick and Irvine, Hi, Nick.
Speaker 15 (12:27):
Dan, always an honor talk to the Hall of Famer. Hey,
I have my best of the weekend. Continue on with
their marks to the super Bowl. They're gonna be beating
the Commanders forty five to two, and that.
Speaker 10 (12:44):
Is my prediction.
Speaker 15 (12:45):
The worst of the weekend is sitting down on Saturday
watching my Dodgers on the road to one hundred and
twenty not victories and two out in the bottom of
the ninth inning, gonna see my first ever first pitch,
the last pitch, no hitter, and they ended up getting
walked off. Pumpounded with Fritz saying that it was his
(13:08):
best of the weekend. What unmitigated gall What lack of sympathy,
what lack of empathy that was? There should be a
Hall of Fame for worst of the weekend and the
first ballot to be that game. That was the worst
loss I have ever suffered as a fanatic. But my
Ana Dyne name Dan was listening to your show. It's
(13:29):
a great show. I love you guys. Keep up the
good work.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Thank you Nick Todd.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
For every worst side, there's the best side. It's just
the other side of the coin.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
And it happened on Cal Ripkin's record streak for the
Iron Man, So that happened on that date to come
back down three nothing to win forty three and just
that was an amazing win for the oiels. I could
certainly understand the disappointment of a Dodger fan.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Thank you Todd.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
But didn't we get the cal Ripken game as a
Christmas gift at ESPN?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, we got like some VHS tape thanks for your
time with the company something, Chris.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I mean, I didn't expect anything great, but I don't
know Cal Ripkens game and they give you a VHS
copy of that. Didn't we get a season on the
Brink when they were doing the movie Ryan Dannahey, didn't.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
We get a.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Maybe it was a VHS tape of that for our
Christmas gift?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
If they threw it in ESPN Radio, Frisbee and to
ketch it. I'm not sure that.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, I think I was supposed to get something after
being there. I was there eighteen years. I think after
ten years you were supposed to get something, or maybe
after fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yes, ton, I got it.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I have some kind of Mickey Mouse plaque for ten
years with the Walt Disney Company. So it's just a
smiling Mickey Mouse on some kind of frame thing.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Now, I got that.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I got a statue or a little statuette that I
gave to Scott Van Pelt when I went back. I
hadn't been back in ten years, and I went on
a show and I gave you my Mickey Mouse. Yes, Marvin, why.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
Would they give you more money? Let's just give you
a black instead or.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
A VHS tape. I can't even find a VHS machine
now he's season one of playmakers.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yay. Well, we have to buy gifts for a lot
of people. Okay, all right, yes, uh Dylan, how did
they land on it being the cal Ripken game? Was
that just like the last recorded thing? And they're like,
all right, crank out.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
A bunch of no because ESPN carried it and that
was the famous Chris Berman didn't say a word for
like eighteen minutes, and there was called you one of
the I don't know how you say, man, that's one
of the best called games ever. But eighteen minutes there
was nothing said, but that stood out because Chris just
(15:46):
let it breathe. But I remember that was really big deal.
It's like, yeah, man, did you watch the game? I said, yeah, hey, Youah,
Chris didn't say a word for eighteen minutes, and I said,
I didn't think that was possible.
Speaker 16 (16:03):
Yes, Oh, well, so I was actually at the game
Dan this weekend, I went, uh Eagles Cowboys to Orioles
Dodgers the Classic. Uh sure, and just coincidentally one of
(16:30):
the best baseball games I've ever been to. Like, I
didn't know it was the cal rip cal Ripkin Ceremony
until I got there. The place was going nuts and
then obviously ended in pretty dramatic fashion, and I catched
that parlay that I desperately needed.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Did they hand out cal ripkn VHS copy to people there?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I think it was Blu Ray Blue Ray.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
We got some really strange gifts. But I remember a
friend of mine in management, Uh, he said, well, we
spend all that money on the Christmas party, and most
of the time I didn't go to the Christmas party.
It was like, I don't know, I always found them
kind of awkward, weird. And then you know, you got
management who doesn't like you, and then everybody's drinking getting hammered,
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and you're supposed to be Hey, how are you skippy?
How are you Tommy? Yes, Todd, And.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Then the other awkward part is you already don't want
to talk to that particular person. Now, how do I
get out of this and not be rude? But how
do we wrap this conversation up so I can kind
of move? Hey, I'm going to get a drink.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Do you want anything something? I got to hit the restroom.
You just got to get.
Speaker 12 (17:32):
Out of there.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I haven't mastered that very often. I'm bad that. You know,
you're like talking and talking and then I just don't
have that exit rap yet.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yes, Tod, I'll.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Usually go with you. I'm gonna go make the rounds.
I'll catch up later.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I got some people want to go say hi to
something like that so they don't feel like they're being
blown off.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
But then then my wife goes, did you ever think
that they're tired of talking to you. I hadn't thought
of it, but now I'm think about that all the time. Hey,
I don't want to waste any more of your time.
I'm sorry. I'm gonna go get to some shrimp cocktail.
How about we take a break here speaking of the Mothership.
One of the great writers there seth Wickersham. He's got
(18:12):
another book out, guaranteed to be a New York Times bestseller.
It's about the evolution of the quarterback. He'll join us
coming up next, Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 2 (19:12):
The book is called American Kings, A Biography of the Quarterback,
and you'll find it on bookshelves today. Seth Wickersham, senior
writer for The Mothership, author of New York Times bestseller
It's Better to Be Feared, the Patriots Dynasty, and the
new book American King's A Biography of the Quarterback. Great
(19:32):
to see again, Seth, I had a random thought late
last night that I grew up in an era where
the running back was the most important position on the
football team that you know, you had, you had to
have your Jim Brown or somebody of that ilk And
I didn't know if there was a time when all
of a sudden quarterback became the most important position and
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kind of you know, took the baton from the running back.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Was there a line of Demo Arcasian in your memory?
Speaker 9 (20:04):
What's up, man, It's good to see you. You know
you brought back some some hazy memories when you were
talking about the old holiday parties. I went to one
back in the day, and that was that was quite
the spectacle. Yeah, I appreciate you having me on. I
think that really had happened in the eighties and I
really think that, Look, this was a lot of Bill
(20:26):
Walsh's genius, and that's that he you know, partially through
desperation when he was with the Cincinnati Bengals, but he
developed an entire offense that was based on the past,
first as a substitute for the run, and really, you know,
he revolutionized football all the way down to Pop Warner.
(20:47):
And as I get into in the book, it's it's
interesting to see Steve Young when when he was sort
of taking over for Joe Montana, he had this moment
where you know, he was playing really really well and
winning a VPS, but he wasn't Joe and Mike Shanahan
had come along and he spent two days with every
(21:10):
quarterback and Montana was still with the Niners, but he
was injured. And after spending time with Joe Montana, he
called Joe back and he was like, Joe, you look
at the West Coast offense different than anybody, Like, I
need to understand how you think about this, And Joe
was like, yeah, I was hoping you wouldn't notice that.
And as it turns out, Joe was this incredible practitioner
(21:34):
and radical simplifier, and he didn't run the West Coast
offense the way that Bill Walsh drew it up. He
basically narrowed it down to one receiver and then if
that guy wasn't there, he looked for the outlet, and
if that guy wasn't there, he was throwing it away
where Steve was running at the way that Bill Walsh
drew it up. And because of that, he was taking
some unnecessary contact. So the year after Joe Montana was
(21:57):
trained to the Chiefs, Mike Shanahan called Steve Young back
in and was like, all right, we're changing the way
the offense run. We're not doing it by the playbook again, you.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Uh, And the book deals with high school college NFL retirement.
In fact, you know, the book ends you're you're talking
to John Elway. And when I read that, I immediately
thought of when Right Thompson profiled Joe Montana, and it
was sad because here's he was the greatest quarterback. This
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is before Brady surpassed him, and then you lose your
identity that he's not the greatest quarterback and that right,
Thompson kind of said you could see it with Joe
you he lost something there. You're you're chronicling these guys
like always done and you know now it's retirement and
(22:53):
trying to hold onto things or let things go. And
you're talking a lot of these Hall of Fame you know,
Steve Young and Warren Moon and Elway, and was there
a common theme about once it's over with, how they've felt.
Speaker 9 (23:09):
Well, I mean, so quarterback is such a unique job
and it has such unique responsibilities. I mean, there's one
day with Steve Young that we went through all the
hats you have to wear as an NFL quarterback, from
you know, master motivator to a spokesperson for a multi
billion dollar organization. All of these things. We stopped at seventeen,
and frankly, like, I think we could have kept going.
And so I think that like to survive. You know,
(23:32):
what one interested me most about Elway was that he
was the first quarterback who was number one out of
high school, first pick in the draft, first ballot, Hall
of Famer, and you have to hardwire yourself in a
particular way to survive that Winnowing and to pull that
off and to live up to expectation, and he did it.
(23:53):
And so the entire look at Elway was like what
it did to him. And I think that like the sadness,
that the wistfulness that you talk about with Montana was
with him too. I mean, I think that like he
dealt with that, and I think it's one of the
reasons why he jumped back in and became general manager
of the Broncos is because look, he needed to reinvent
(24:17):
himself and but he also went back to what he
knew best. And I think that there are some painful moments,
you know, in that in that process that we get
into in the book.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
You look at the quarterback now and everything funnels through them,
their celebrities, but you go back to what it was
it Bob Bob Waterfield, Oh yeah, Was he the first
celebrit because he married Jane Russell, famous actress? Was he
the first that this was before Demigio and Marilyn Monroe?
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I think?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And but was was he the first or that's the
first celebrity couple that we had.
Speaker 9 (24:54):
I mean they were, yeah, they were friends with Demaggio
and Marilyn Monroe ironically, but on Yeah, So from the
moment the forward pass was legalized in college football in
nineteen oh six, you know, I wanted to look at
like how fast it took until it became this thing
that our country kind of mythologized and celebrated, And it
happened a lot faster than I thought. And Waterfield was
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kind of the first culmination of that. So he for
people who don't know, you know, he was a star
at UCLA, got drafted by the Cleveland Rams in nineteen
forty five. He wins MVP, they win an NFL championship.
He's married to Jane Russell, who's the world's biggest or
at least the country's biggest pin up star at the time,
(25:36):
and the owner of the Cleveland Rams. Dan Reeves is
basically like, I got to take advantage of this this power.
I mean, you're talking about the Golden Age of Hollywood.
And for that and a few other reasons, he moves
the team to Los Angeles, and you know that was
a huge moment in the idea of a quarterback like
(25:56):
Bob Waterfield kind of looked like James Dean before there
was such a thing as James Dean, And you know,
their celebrity became a huge thing. I mean, the the
parties at their house, I get into them at the book,
but I mean the parties at their house that you know,
overlooked the valley were legendary because it was this collision
(26:20):
of football in Hollywood. Like Pete Roselle was an intern
for the Rams at that time, and he talked about
how like one of the high moments of his career,
at least his young career, was just being invited to
their house and seeing the spectacle that it was.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Talking to Seth Wickershamy ESPN Senior writer and the new
book American Kings, A Biography of the Quarterback, the most
important quarterback in NFL history is whom.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
I mean, they're all kind of culturally descendant of Johnny
Unidis and Joe Namath, So you know, you have to
kind of think about one of those two guys. I think,
but know, I'd probably go with Naymeath more than any
more than Uniteds because name is kind of he He
not only had kind of evolved Unitis in the sense
(27:10):
that like he was calling his own plays and he
looked at the job as kind of a field general,
but he was the first one, you know, to offer
quarterback as lifestyle. I mean he told boys, you know,
and girls everywhere that like this is what throwing a
football well can get you. And I mean he scared
people to death. He scared people to death with his moxy,
with his release, with his attitude. And there was a
(27:34):
moment later late in the book where I'm with Joe
and I ask him, like, look, having been through everything
you've been through as this American, you know, luminary, is
it worth it? Like would you rather be a quarterback
or would you would rather have done anything else? And
his answer was really really interesting. What did he say, Oh,
(27:56):
you know, I have to have to help have a
little bit of a fingers, like you know. I think
the most interesting thing was that it was something that,
like I asked him, it had surprised him, but you
could tell that it was something that he had actually
spent some time thinking about because you know, he experienced
a lot. I mean, he experienced unbelievable highs, some unbelievable lows,
(28:17):
and you know a lot of physical pain also obviously, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
He was a celebrity. I didn't think Joe was a
great quarterback. I think he he fit the character. He
looked at the hair. You know, the Beatles were big.
He had that haircut. He and the fur code, the
white shoes. The greatest released quarterback has ever unveiled. But
(28:41):
he was he had a bar the commissioner told him to.
You know, he had to Bachelor's three. I mean, there
was a lot of stuff going on with Joe in
New York and then through all the women in there
as well, and well.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
Well and Johnny Uniteds was kind of like bedrock nineteen
fifties establishment, and Joe Namath was rebellion. And even though
you know he wasn't a rock star, he kind of
looked like one, even more than a quarterback. I mean
he was kind of hunched over and you know he
he like I said, you know, he was the first
to offer it his lifestyle, and I think that, like
(29:20):
his influence in the zeitgeist is so big, and.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I'm you're right.
Speaker 9 (29:28):
I mean, you know, look, he didn't he didn't have
like a great career in a lot of ways. But
when you're talking about the pantheon of American men who
have like influenced culture, he's part of it. And you know,
he's up there with some very very very famous Americans.
Speaker 12 (29:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I like in Johnny unit As, he was right out
of Mayberry or Leave It to Beaver, and Namath was
Fonsie on happy days. He was just he was the
cool guy, leather, leather jacket. It's great talking to you again.
I wish you well with the book. And have you
talked to Bill Belichick recently?
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (30:03):
My gosh, no, But you know, I think they're going
to figure things out there. And I think that, like,
you know, look, he's changed a lot, and and you know,
our impression of him has changed a lot in the
past couple of years, and I think that, like in
talking to people close to him, I think you can't
underestimate how pissed he is at the way that things
ended in New England. Not just that he was kind
(30:24):
of you know that that he didn't end on his
terms exactly, but just you know the Dynasty docuseries and
what that did to his reputation. You know how Don
Vanatta and Jeremy Fowler and I reported that Robert Kraft,
you know, didn't do him any favors when he was
trying to get back in the league after the Patriots
let him go. Oh I'm sorry. After there was a
(30:47):
mutual party. And you know, I think that, like, you know,
the news that came out last week about you know,
banning the Scouts is not just notable in the sense
that you know the guy and hold a grudge, but
it's also that he's willing to be so public with it.
And I think that is so much different than the
Bill Belichick that we know. I mean, this is a
(31:07):
guy who, I think, as much as anybody in American
public life the past twenty years, has been careful with
his words and chosen his words carefully. And we're seeing
a little bit of a different Bill now. And you know,
it's it's fascinating to watch the vapor trail from the dynasty,
not the docu sries, but just the dynasty with the
(31:29):
greatness they accomplished, continues to to you know, really continues
to this day.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
But who should be more upset with their exit? Brady
or Belichick? With the Patriots? I mean Tom got embarrassed.
Speaker 9 (31:44):
Who should be more? Yeah, Well, you know Tom, you know,
he won, you know, he won the narrative forever, and
you know, whether he wanted to or not. And I
think that like obviously he wanted to prove that there
is a different way to win, and see if there
is a different way to win. But you know, I
think that like the stuff that's happened between Belichick and Craft,
(32:06):
you know, look, Belichick and Brady are in a good place.
Like you know, these guys are never going to be
spit in your palm pals, but you know they're in
a good place in terms of their relationship. I think
it's going to take a lot of work for the
relationship between Robert Craft and Bill Belichick to you know,
be in a good place if that ever happens.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Good luck with the book. Great to catch up with
you again. Thank you, Seth.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
Thanks man.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Great to see you, Seth Wickersham. The book is out today.
It's called American King's a Biography of the quarterback. It's
a life cycle. It looks at the high school, college,
NFL and then retirement of some of the great quarterbacks
of all time. Well take a break, phone calls coming up,
and it's going to be rhyme time with Fritzie.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
It is back after this.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
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Speaker 2 (33:06):
There hasn't been a no hitter in Major League Baseball
this season. Last full season without a no no was
two thousand and five, but it was on this date
in nineteen sixty five Sandy Kofax through his fourth career
no hitter and first perfect game in a win against
the Cubs. Marvin asked a question during the commercial break,
(33:26):
the most famous quarterback when you were growing up? And
I would probably say Joe Namath was famous, but it
was it was different because he wasn't the best quarterback.
I thought Lenny Dawson was a better quarterback. But what
Joe did and what he did in New York, and
(33:48):
he did it for the Jets, and he won the
super Bowl and the big underdog, and he's such a
nice person too, And he just had charisma. He had
it when you're wearing white shoes, like you you better
be really good. And he had long hair and he
wore like this big fur coat on the sidelines when
(34:09):
he was injured for a game. He played at Shay
terrible field. But oh what a release gosh. I think
it might be the you know, if you're looking at
pure quarterback throwing it.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
He made it look effortless.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
So I would say him Bart's Starr because he was
with the Packers and they were winning championships, they won
Super Bowls. Johnny Unitis, he was a little bit before
my time, but I would say those guys in the
late sixties, early seventies, and your quarterback back then, wasn't
(34:48):
somebody throwing thirty touchdowns Bart's Starr, Bob Greasy. They weren't,
you know, stat stuffers. They weren't going to put up
incredible numbers there. But they back then, being a field general,
they would call it. They were field generals. Joe Fisman
became famous. Uh he was a celebrity of sorts, and
(35:11):
then he was dating who was he dating on that show?
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Ton Oh like believe it or not?
Speaker 12 (35:18):
Do something like that?
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Yeah, Kathy Lee Crossey.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, Yeah, he was a celebrity. But I don't know
if did you have a quarterback growing up where you go?
Roger Staubach was another one who lives who became because
he was the Cowboys quarterback and he had been in
the military and Naval Academy, Heisman Trophy winner. He was
something special. You know, those were the first ones that
(35:42):
I came across, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 8 (35:44):
For me, it's probably Dan Marino. Yeah, I saw him
first in the movie ace Ventura Pet Detective.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Yeah, and I didn't know.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
He was a real quarterback.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Dylan, did you have one? I mean, for me, it
was really like Brady and Peyton Manning.
Speaker 16 (36:00):
Okay that their prime was sort of when I was
in my youth.
Speaker 18 (36:03):
You uh, well, it was a big Dann Marino fan.
But if when you asked me the most famous quarterback
from when I was young, it would have been Phil Simms.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Okay, he was you know Jersey.
Speaker 18 (36:14):
The Giants. We were on a run. You know, Phil
Simms was like as big as it got.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Todd.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, I was always big on the Cowboys Steelers, so
like Starback and Bradshaw. But again, the one that I
really felt like, like what Martin was saying, Dan Marino
for me, was like the first tie with the curly
hair and the tan and the good.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
One he did the is Toner glove commercial. Yeah, then
he you know when he's playing himself in the movie
with Jim Carrey, all right, time to do rhyme. Time,
Todd give us gets get the rules. Let everybody know
how to play rhyme time.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I'm gonna give you a pair of clues. The answer,
the words are rhymes there one word answer is that
rhyme with each other.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
So it'll be like we did. Bengal Broadcast Award was
Burrow Morrow. That's how the game go.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Here we go Groin NBC's Melissa Clark Stark Clark Star.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Kaitlin Clark bottling that growing injury and Mossa Stark.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Of course, buccaneer pretender, buccaneer, Baker, Baker Faker. Now we're
on a roll here, Pats leader capable, Pat's leader.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
Capable, Abel Abel Abel, Here you go.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Wow, you guys are banging these out.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Okay, state head, married with children, Gundy, Bundy, Gundee Bundy,
Red Sox Great Tennis Champ, Red Sox Great Tennis Champ.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
I think of current tennis great players, number eight with Boston.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Karis Stremsky and who was what they call college, Yes,
who's a great tennis player these days?
Speaker 19 (37:51):
Al Kaz Alcoraz a rhyme, Yes, Alcoraz car protector, he
car protector, m's bat car protector, m's bat bumper dumper.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Buck Eye Land hint buck eye land hint.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
Another word for a hint, shoe clue, the horseshoe clu.
I got a few more here. Longhorn, Madness, Longhorn madness,
Arch March, Arch March. This is how it works. Sweetness
Dodger for Paul Sweetness Dodger.
Speaker 20 (38:35):
Peyton Clayton, Peyton Clayton, Rains NBC, Rains, NBC. It was
Tim Rain's nickname Rock NBC thirty peacock, Rock Peacock.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Okay, we got three more. I think we can get
him in Irving, our friend.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Irving seven, Irving seven, the man they call seven Irving
from our show, Irving seven. Lay say, oh way, Leader,
I can't do the pronunce.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
I can't do it. Michael Irvin.
Speaker 18 (39:11):
I was thinking, I'm like Michael and Michael Vick, Michael Michael,
but it was not.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
It was Irving.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Leader, Aristotle, Leader, Aristotle, Shaq dak Jack.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Shaq would be Leader Aristotle dak Shack.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
The last one is Let's ride Flex, Let's ride flex.
Speaker 8 (39:33):
Russell Mussel, Russell Musco a minute and a half to
spare John.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
I like the way you did those clues. They were
a little they were a little off. They weren't.
Speaker 18 (39:44):
Some of them were pretty on the nose, but some
of them it took you a minute to get there.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
That was good. H Terry and Tennessee, morning Terry. What's
on your mind today?
Speaker 12 (39:52):
Hey?
Speaker 21 (39:53):
What's up Van?
Speaker 4 (39:53):
How you doing good?
Speaker 21 (39:55):
Hey man, I got to give you props for props
to do. You've made great recommendations on those for Drum
and those my Father's and if you hadn't tried the
new my Father's Blue, you'll love It's that's price pointed
by twelve bucks.
Speaker 12 (40:06):
You'll love it.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Thank you, Terry.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, those are cigars if you can't get Cuban cigars,
and they're even tougher to get now. The Padrone Anniversary
series is always great and my father a nice price point,
you know, maybe ten dollars, eleven dollars, twelve dollars, great cigar.
And I have no affiliation with, you know, any of
(40:29):
these cigars. I'm just telling you that if i'm smoking,
I usually have my Father, but the Padrone Anniversary that's
more expensive, but that's a great cigar. Never had a
bad Padrone. Now, if you give me a Hoyot demonaey,
I'll smoke that. That's a great cigar or boulevar. There's
(40:52):
there's quite a few of them. If you smoke cigars
and drink tequila, Ford Eliza is the great tequila you
can't get anymore. For some reason, everybody started buying it
up or they stopped making it.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Enough, let the secrets out. Damn all right. Two hours
in the books, One more to go, Fritzie's Seaton, Marv
Dylan and Yours Truly
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio over Reaction Tuesday. Welcome to the program. Already
in progress, Hour two. Fritzie's here seat and Marv Paulie's
out today. Dylan is in his chair.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Of course, the backroom guys offering up emotional support as always.
It's a Friday, Fritzy on a Tuesday, with Paulie not here,
no lifeguard on duty, and Fritzi is swimming in the
deep end. We will have a rhyme time coming up
later on this hour. Would you explain to the audience
what rhyme time is and how it works.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
The way it works is I give you, guys two
clues and the answers rhyme with one another.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Why don't you give us a four instance?
Speaker 5 (00:43):
For instance, as I grabbed my sheet?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Okay, how about this Bengal Broadcast Award Bengal Broadcast.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Award Edward R. Murrow Burrow.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, but that's too many words. It's just Burrow Murrow.
But you did get it.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
So that's a one word to one word.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Why to do the Edgar is yeah, no, they don't
know who he is.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
That's unfortunately Borrow Murrow is the right answer. And that's
how the game works.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
More entertainment like that coming up later on this hour.
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Thank you for downloading the app. We'll have a poll
question for hour two. Seth Wickersham, senior writer at The Mothership,
has a new book and it's all about quarterbacks. Here's
something I want to bring up to him, because it
used to be the focus of the NFL was about
(01:52):
the running back. It wasn't about the quarterback. And I
want to know when that changed. When we went from
you know, Jim Brown and Marion Motley and all of
these you know, hop Along Cassidy and Red Grange and
Jim then it went to the quarterback. When did that happen?
Because now we've had quarterbacks who have been celebrities back
(02:15):
in the twenties, thirties and forties, but now that that
is the marquee position in all the sports, being a
quarterback for an NFL team.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
But the book is.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Great and it deals with the evolution of the quarterback
in not only the NFL but also in college. So
he'll join us coming up a little bit later on
Minnesota wins twenty seven to twenty four. If I said
fill in the blank, let's do an early fill in
the blank, Marvin, I'll start with you. After last night,
(02:50):
the Vikings are blank.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Contenders. Dylan better than I thought, a dangerous.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Seatan solid after last night, the Bears are blank Todd
disappointing Seaton, who we.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Thought they were? Ooh ooh, Marvin, what Seaton said? Dylan
not terrible on offense? Yeah, I expected. I thought I
was going to get more.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I thought the Bears were going to win that game,
and it certainly looked like that seventeen to six going
into the fourth quarter. And whatever they did to JJ
McCarthy the first three quarters, they forgot to do in
the final quarter. But it did feel like Kevin O'Connell
gave him a little bit more latitude or longitude, and
he took advantage of it a couple of touchdown passes,
(03:45):
touchdown run and it started to look and feel like okay.
Because I, once again I've said this before, I've said
it many times on the show. I've watched him play
and nothing really stood out. But I think, you know,
that's a partial blame to Jim Harbaugh because I kept thinking,
(04:07):
all right, you got this top ten talent, they run
the football and play defense that Jim didn't really sway
from that. And now I did see him in a
game against Ohio State, where you go, okay, but I
didn't see enough of that. And I remember, you know,
one of my sources is a scout, and he goes, no,
the guy wins, and I go, but now, what's that mean?
(04:32):
He somehow does what he needs to do when you
need him to do it. That's how it was defined
to me. And you saw that last night in the
fourth quarter. Now he didn't show that in the first
three quarters. Now glimpses, But Caleb Williams is supposed to
have those kind of games. We're waiting. That's six consecutive
home losses for the Bears, and they were booed as
(04:52):
they left the field last night, and you got Detroit
coming up on a short work week for the Bears.
But Caleb Williams, he shows glimpses. I just want him
to be great for a game. That's that's what happens
with quarterbacks in the NFL. It's not just hey I'm
(05:12):
good in the first quarter or hey I had a
great first half. It's you got to be consistent and
then you got to be great. That's usually what you
find out with these Marquee Courton like, you know, he
saw Josh Allen, all right, he's good. Now he needs
to be great, and he was. You know, Lamar Jackson
was great. But I need that quarterback who's going to
(05:35):
be I'll keep my team in the in the game,
or he might be leading, but when you need me
the most, that's when I step up. That's what separated
Brady from everybody, Patrick Mahomes from everybody game on the line.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
We got that guy.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And you saw that last night with JJ McCarthy, And
I think that that was the surprising part of it,
is where was it and why didn't you know all
of a sudden emerge. Here is JJ McCarthy on winning
and keeping composure.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
You know, I felt like I did a really good
job with that, and you know, just feeding off the
energy of my teammates and my coaches, you know, helped
me out tremendously. But you know, at the end of
the day, you know, we're so blessed to be able
to play this game. So every snap we get is
a complete blessing. And you know that's something that I
was mentioning to the guys in the huddle while we
were down, like where else.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Would you rather be?
Speaker 6 (06:25):
So I feel like, you know, we did a great job,
and this team showed a lot of poise and responded
very well.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
We'll get two phone calls coming up eight seven to
seven three DP Show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com Twitter handle.
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The Dan Patrick Show. We had phone issues yesterday and
I said, if you want a call in today best
and worst of the weekend, then we'll do that on
(06:53):
a Tuesday. Reggie in South Carolina leads us off second
hour high reg.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
What's going on, man, I just want to talk about
them Indianapolis coach man coming down the whole rocket, showing
them Dolphins down man. Yes, Sir, Daniel Jones QB rating
one sixteen man resurrect.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Alrighty, Reg. I didn't expect Reg calling in and Daniel
Jones shout out QBR Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 8 (07:26):
Reggie sounds a lot like James in Virginia. He's not
gonna fool me. You're not gonna fool me.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Twice Reggie, Josh and San Antonio, Good morning, Josh.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 9 (07:38):
What's up Dan?
Speaker 10 (07:39):
Longtime listener here. I just wanted to kind of go
off the board here.
Speaker 11 (07:44):
I always enjoy your interviews with two receivers, in particular
my man Michael Irvin and Steve Smith eighty nine, and
I just wanted to throw my hat in the ring
and you can join the bandwagon. Can we start the
campaign to get Steve Smith Soior into the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Because there are.
Speaker 11 (08:01):
Very there's a short list of receivers that I would
draft that I know that I could go to in
crunch time that's going to be a dog in big games,
and Steve Smith Senior is.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Right at the top of that.
Speaker 11 (08:12):
He was a triple Crown winner after breaking his leg
the season before. He played big time minutes and he
knew you could always come on him down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well, he certainly helped Cam that rookie year because he
was whenever Cam needed to bail out, somebody to bail
him out. Steve Smith was wonderful, but I'd have to
look at the numbers. I think he got overshadowed certainly
playing with Cam. But he played in the Super Bowl,
(08:43):
and Steve was tough, really really tough guy. Let's see
Bill in Tampa. Hi, Bill, what's on your mind?
Speaker 12 (08:52):
Good morning, DP and dan Esh. We've got two bets
of the weekend, A comment and a question, if I
may right. My first best is too and oh usf Bothie.
They are no cream buffs. My second is Tommy DeVito
getting a progressive commercial, and now that he's in New England,
maybe we could start calling him Tommy klam Stouder.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Right, Thank you, Bill, Yes you see that's pretty funny commercial.
Yeah I have.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I don't know if it's Tommy clam Chatter, but I
always thought Tommy Salami was going to be a great one,
but nobody went with that.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
It was Tommy Cutler's. I don't know how about Tommy
clam Chatter. I love that. That's the best joke of
the week, best joke of the month. How about Tommy clamchowder.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Gregg in North Carolina? How about Tommy lobster.
Speaker 10 (09:44):
Kittyp I got my best and worst of the week,
Best of the week, and you touched on this a
lot already, as JJ McCarthy last night.
Speaker 13 (09:53):
Went into the season kind of wondering why they'd give
up a quarterback that won twelve games for somebody that
didn't make it through pre season last year.
Speaker 10 (10:00):
And I think we got to see a little bit
of that last night. Worse of the week was definitely
the Browns went into the season with no expectation whatsoever,
and defense looked really good.
Speaker 13 (10:12):
Thought we had a chance to win that game, and
we ended it in about as big as Browns fashion
as we could.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I thought the Browns were going to win that game,
because I mean, why not everything that's happened in the
offseason and somehow they would win that game.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And they should have won that game.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I mean, you shut down what is supposed to be
maybe the best offense in football or the best passing
game in football. It's seven yards in the second half
and still couldn't you know they pulled out a win.
I mean, that's what's amazing. Brown's defense played really well.
But do you have that opportunity? I don't even know
(10:52):
if I'm sure the Browns want to win, But do
they really really want to win? If you're a Browns fan,
are you hoping that they were bad and then maybe
you're you're gonna get a quarterback?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 8 (11:06):
This feels like the movie Major League, where the players
want to win, but ownership has no interest in winning,
so he can get the number one pick.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Matt in Utah, Hi, Matt, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 12 (11:17):
Hey? Dan?
Speaker 14 (11:18):
Just the best the worst of the weekend, and a
pilot of face offer. Oh, also five to nine and
a hard one sixty Uh, that's the weekend. My Utah
Youth's barely skinned by the cow Poly Mustang sixty three
to nine. Course of the weekend. My Denver Bronco's barely
(11:40):
beating a terrible Titans team. Also for my pilot face,
I was trying to do a self proposed Utah Youth
beating the Texas Tech Writers next week by self proposed
over eight and a half. If I lose all cold
Plunge Fair asked into the chili great falt Lake.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I'm rooting for Utah, so I'm not gonna take you up.
I don't think I mean Texas Tech spent a lot
of money in the off season.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Utah is a great program.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I don't think you have any takers, Matt, But thank you,
thank you for the offer. Very kind of, very generous
to jump naked into salt Lake. Nick and Irvine, Hi, Nick.
Speaker 15 (12:27):
Dan, always an honor talk to the Hall of Famer. Hey,
I have my best of the weekend. Continue on with
their marks to the super Bowl. They're gonna be beating
the Commanders forty five to two, and that.
Speaker 10 (12:44):
Is my prediction.
Speaker 15 (12:45):
The worst of the weekend is sitting down on Saturday
watching my Dodgers on the road to one hundred and
twenty not victories and two out in the bottom of
the ninth inning, gonna see my first ever first pitch,
the last pitch, no hitter, and they ended up getting
walked off. Pumpounded with Fritz saying that it was his
(13:08):
best of the weekend. What unmitigated gall What lack of sympathy,
what lack of empathy that was? There should be a
Hall of Fame for worst of the weekend and the
first ballot to be that game. That was the worst
loss I have ever suffered as a fanatic. But my
Ana Dyne name Dan was listening to your show. It's
(13:29):
a great show. I love you guys. Keep up the
good work.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Thank you Nick Todd.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
For every worst side, there's the best side. It's just
the other side of the coin.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
And it happened on Cal Ripkin's record streak for the
Iron Man, So that happened on that date to come
back down three nothing to win forty three and just
that was an amazing win for the oiels. I could
certainly understand the disappointment of a Dodger fan.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Thank you Todd.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
But didn't we get the cal Ripken game as a
Christmas gift at ESPN?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, we got like some VHS tape thanks for your
time with the company something, Chris.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I mean, I didn't expect anything great, but I don't
know Cal Ripkens game and they give you a VHS
copy of that. Didn't we get a season on the
Brink when they were doing the movie Ryan Dannahey, didn't.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
We get a.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Maybe it was a VHS tape of that for our
Christmas gift?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
If they threw it in ESPN Radio, Frisbee and to
ketch it. I'm not sure that.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, I think I was supposed to get something after
being there. I was there eighteen years. I think after
ten years you were supposed to get something, or maybe
after fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yes, ton, I got it.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I have some kind of Mickey Mouse plaque for ten
years with the Walt Disney Company. So it's just a
smiling Mickey Mouse on some kind of frame thing.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Now, I got that.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I got a statue or a little statuette that I
gave to Scott Van Pelt when I went back. I
hadn't been back in ten years, and I went on
a show and I gave you my Mickey Mouse. Yes, Marvin, why.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
Would they give you more money? Let's just give you
a black instead or.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
A VHS tape. I can't even find a VHS machine
now he's season one of playmakers.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yay. Well, we have to buy gifts for a lot
of people. Okay, all right, yes, uh Dylan, how did
they land on it being the cal Ripken game? Was
that just like the last recorded thing? And they're like,
all right, crank out.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
A bunch of no because ESPN carried it and that
was the famous Chris Berman didn't say a word for
like eighteen minutes, and there was called you one of
the I don't know how you say, man, that's one
of the best called games ever. But eighteen minutes there
was nothing said, but that stood out because Chris just
(15:46):
let it breathe. But I remember that was really big deal.
It's like, yeah, man, did you watch the game? I said, yeah, hey, Youah,
Chris didn't say a word for eighteen minutes, and I said,
I didn't think that was possible.
Speaker 16 (16:03):
Yes, Oh, well, so I was actually at the game
Dan this weekend, I went, uh Eagles Cowboys to Orioles
Dodgers the Classic. Uh sure, and just coincidentally one of
(16:30):
the best baseball games I've ever been to. Like, I
didn't know it was the cal rip cal Ripkin Ceremony
until I got there. The place was going nuts and
then obviously ended in pretty dramatic fashion, and I catched
that parlay that I desperately needed.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Did they hand out cal ripkn VHS copy to people there?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I think it was Blu Ray Blue Ray.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
We got some really strange gifts. But I remember a
friend of mine in management, Uh, he said, well, we
spend all that money on the Christmas party, and most
of the time I didn't go to the Christmas party.
It was like, I don't know, I always found them
kind of awkward, weird. And then you know, you got
management who doesn't like you, and then everybody's drinking getting hammered,
(17:15):
and you're supposed to be Hey, how are you skippy?
How are you Tommy? Yes, Todd, And.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Then the other awkward part is you already don't want
to talk to that particular person. Now, how do I
get out of this and not be rude? But how
do we wrap this conversation up so I can kind
of move? Hey, I'm going to get a drink.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Do you want anything something? I got to hit the restroom.
You just got to get.
Speaker 12 (17:32):
Out of there.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I haven't mastered that very often. I'm bad that. You know,
you're like talking and talking and then I just don't
have that exit rap yet.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yes, Tod, I'll.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Usually go with you. I'm gonna go make the rounds.
I'll catch up later.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I got some people want to go say hi to
something like that so they don't feel like they're being
blown off.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
But then then my wife goes, did you ever think
that they're tired of talking to you. I hadn't thought
of it, but now I'm think about that all the time. Hey,
I don't want to waste any more of your time.
I'm sorry. I'm gonna go get to some shrimp cocktail.
How about we take a break here speaking of the Mothership.
One of the great writers there seth Wickersham. He's got
(18:12):
another book out, guaranteed to be a New York Times bestseller.
It's about the evolution of the quarterback. He'll join us
coming up next, Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 17 (18:31):
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Speaker 2 (19:12):
The book is called American Kings, A Biography of the Quarterback,
and you'll find it on bookshelves today. Seth Wickersham, senior
writer for The Mothership, author of New York Times bestseller
It's Better to Be Feared, the Patriots Dynasty, and the
new book American King's A Biography of the Quarterback. Great
(19:32):
to see again, Seth, I had a random thought late
last night that I grew up in an era where
the running back was the most important position on the
football team that you know, you had, you had to
have your Jim Brown or somebody of that ilk And
I didn't know if there was a time when all
of a sudden quarterback became the most important position and
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kind of you know, took the baton from the running back.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Was there a line of Demo Arcasian in your memory?
Speaker 9 (20:04):
What's up, man, It's good to see you. You know
you brought back some some hazy memories when you were
talking about the old holiday parties. I went to one
back in the day, and that was that was quite
the spectacle. Yeah, I appreciate you having me on. I
think that really had happened in the eighties and I
really think that, Look, this was a lot of Bill
(20:26):
Walsh's genius, and that's that he you know, partially through
desperation when he was with the Cincinnati Bengals, but he
developed an entire offense that was based on the past,
first as a substitute for the run, and really, you know,
he revolutionized football all the way down to Pop Warner.
(20:47):
And as I get into in the book, it's it's
interesting to see Steve Young when when he was sort
of taking over for Joe Montana, he had this moment
where you know, he was playing really really well and
winning a VPS, but he wasn't Joe and Mike Shanahan
had come along and he spent two days with every
(21:10):
quarterback and Montana was still with the Niners, but he
was injured. And after spending time with Joe Montana, he
called Joe back and he was like, Joe, you look
at the West Coast offense different than anybody, Like, I
need to understand how you think about this, And Joe
was like, yeah, I was hoping you wouldn't notice that.
And as it turns out, Joe was this incredible practitioner
(21:34):
and radical simplifier, and he didn't run the West Coast
offense the way that Bill Walsh drew it up. He
basically narrowed it down to one receiver and then if
that guy wasn't there, he looked for the outlet, and
if that guy wasn't there, he was throwing it away
where Steve was running at the way that Bill Walsh
drew it up. And because of that, he was taking
some unnecessary contact. So the year after Joe Montana was
(21:57):
trained to the Chiefs, Mike Shanahan called Steve Young back
in and was like, all right, we're changing the way
the offense run. We're not doing it by the playbook again, you.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Uh, And the book deals with high school college NFL retirement.
In fact, you know, the book ends you're you're talking
to John Elway. And when I read that, I immediately
thought of when Right Thompson profiled Joe Montana, and it
was sad because here's he was the greatest quarterback. This
(22:30):
is before Brady surpassed him, and then you lose your
identity that he's not the greatest quarterback and that right,
Thompson kind of said you could see it with Joe
you he lost something there. You're you're chronicling these guys
like always done and you know now it's retirement and
(22:53):
trying to hold onto things or let things go. And
you're talking a lot of these Hall of Fame you know,
Steve Young and Warren Moon and Elway, and was there
a common theme about once it's over with, how they've felt.
Speaker 9 (23:09):
Well, I mean, so quarterback is such a unique job
and it has such unique responsibilities. I mean, there's one
day with Steve Young that we went through all the
hats you have to wear as an NFL quarterback, from
you know, master motivator to a spokesperson for a multi
billion dollar organization. All of these things. We stopped at seventeen,
and frankly, like, I think we could have kept going.
And so I think that like to survive. You know,
(23:32):
what one interested me most about Elway was that he
was the first quarterback who was number one out of
high school, first pick in the draft, first ballot, Hall
of Famer, and you have to hardwire yourself in a
particular way to survive that Winnowing and to pull that
off and to live up to expectation, and he did it.
(23:53):
And so the entire look at Elway was like what
it did to him. And I think that like the sadness,
that the wistfulness that you talk about with Montana was
with him too. I mean, I think that like he
dealt with that, and I think it's one of the
reasons why he jumped back in and became general manager
of the Broncos is because look, he needed to reinvent
(24:17):
himself and but he also went back to what he
knew best. And I think that there are some painful moments,
you know, in that in that process that we get
into in the book.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
You look at the quarterback now and everything funnels through them,
their celebrities, but you go back to what it was
it Bob Bob Waterfield, Oh yeah, Was he the first
celebrit because he married Jane Russell, famous actress? Was he
the first that this was before Demigio and Marilyn Monroe?
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I think?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And but was was he the first or that's the
first celebrity couple that we had.
Speaker 9 (24:54):
I mean they were, yeah, they were friends with Demaggio
and Marilyn Monroe ironically, but on Yeah, So from the
moment the forward pass was legalized in college football in
nineteen oh six, you know, I wanted to look at
like how fast it took until it became this thing
that our country kind of mythologized and celebrated, And it
happened a lot faster than I thought. And Waterfield was
(25:16):
kind of the first culmination of that. So he for
people who don't know, you know, he was a star
at UCLA, got drafted by the Cleveland Rams in nineteen
forty five. He wins MVP, they win an NFL championship.
He's married to Jane Russell, who's the world's biggest or
at least the country's biggest pin up star at the time,
(25:36):
and the owner of the Cleveland Rams. Dan Reeves is
basically like, I got to take advantage of this this power.
I mean, you're talking about the Golden Age of Hollywood.
And for that and a few other reasons, he moves
the team to Los Angeles, and you know that was
a huge moment in the idea of a quarterback like
(25:56):
Bob Waterfield kind of looked like James Dean before there
was such a thing as James Dean, And you know,
their celebrity became a huge thing. I mean, the the
parties at their house, I get into them at the book,
but I mean the parties at their house that you know,
overlooked the valley were legendary because it was this collision
(26:20):
of football in Hollywood. Like Pete Roselle was an intern
for the Rams at that time, and he talked about
how like one of the high moments of his career,
at least his young career, was just being invited to
their house and seeing the spectacle that it was.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Talking to Seth Wickershamy ESPN Senior writer and the new
book American Kings, A Biography of the Quarterback, the most
important quarterback in NFL history is whom.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
I mean, they're all kind of culturally descendant of Johnny
Unidis and Joe Namath, So you know, you have to
kind of think about one of those two guys. I think,
but know, I'd probably go with Naymeath more than any
more than Uniteds because name is kind of he He
not only had kind of evolved Unitis in the sense
(27:10):
that like he was calling his own plays and he
looked at the job as kind of a field general,
but he was the first one, you know, to offer
quarterback as lifestyle. I mean he told boys, you know,
and girls everywhere that like this is what throwing a
football well can get you. And I mean he scared
people to death. He scared people to death with his moxy,
with his release, with his attitude. And there was a
(27:34):
moment later late in the book where I'm with Joe
and I ask him, like, look, having been through everything
you've been through as this American, you know, luminary, is
it worth it? Like would you rather be a quarterback
or would you would rather have done anything else? And
his answer was really really interesting. What did he say, Oh,
(27:56):
you know, I have to have to help have a
little bit of a fingers, like you know. I think
the most interesting thing was that it was something that,
like I asked him, it had surprised him, but you
could tell that it was something that he had actually
spent some time thinking about because you know, he experienced
a lot. I mean, he experienced unbelievable highs, some unbelievable lows,
(28:17):
and you know a lot of physical pain also obviously, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
He was a celebrity. I didn't think Joe was a
great quarterback. I think he he fit the character. He
looked at the hair. You know, the Beatles were big.
He had that haircut. He and the fur code, the
white shoes. The greatest released quarterback has ever unveiled. But
(28:41):
he was he had a bar the commissioner told him to.
You know, he had to Bachelor's three. I mean, there
was a lot of stuff going on with Joe in
New York and then through all the women in there
as well, and well.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
Well and Johnny Uniteds was kind of like bedrock nineteen
fifties establishment, and Joe Namath was rebellion. And even though
you know he wasn't a rock star, he kind of
looked like one, even more than a quarterback. I mean
he was kind of hunched over and you know he
he like I said, you know, he was the first
to offer it his lifestyle, and I think that, like
(29:20):
his influence in the zeitgeist is so big, and.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I'm you're right.
Speaker 9 (29:28):
I mean, you know, look, he didn't he didn't have
like a great career in a lot of ways. But
when you're talking about the pantheon of American men who
have like influenced culture, he's part of it. And you know,
he's up there with some very very very famous Americans.
Speaker 12 (29:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I like in Johnny unit As, he was right out
of Mayberry or Leave It to Beaver, and Namath was
Fonsie on happy days. He was just he was the
cool guy, leather, leather jacket. It's great talking to you again.
I wish you well with the book. And have you
talked to Bill Belichick recently?
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (30:03):
My gosh, no, But you know, I think they're going
to figure things out there. And I think that, like,
you know, look, he's changed a lot, and and you know,
our impression of him has changed a lot in the
past couple of years, and I think that, like in
talking to people close to him, I think you can't
underestimate how pissed he is at the way that things
ended in New England. Not just that he was kind
(30:24):
of you know that that he didn't end on his
terms exactly, but just you know the Dynasty docuseries and
what that did to his reputation. You know how Don
Vanatta and Jeremy Fowler and I reported that Robert Kraft,
you know, didn't do him any favors when he was
trying to get back in the league after the Patriots
let him go. Oh I'm sorry. After there was a
(30:47):
mutual party. And you know, I think that, like, you know,
the news that came out last week about you know,
banning the Scouts is not just notable in the sense
that you know the guy and hold a grudge, but
it's also that he's willing to be so public with it.
And I think that is so much different than the
Bill Belichick that we know. I mean, this is a
(31:07):
guy who, I think, as much as anybody in American
public life the past twenty years, has been careful with
his words and chosen his words carefully. And we're seeing
a little bit of a different Bill now. And you know,
it's it's fascinating to watch the vapor trail from the dynasty,
not the docu sries, but just the dynasty with the
(31:29):
greatness they accomplished, continues to to you know, really continues
to this day.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
But who should be more upset with their exit? Brady
or Belichick? With the Patriots? I mean Tom got embarrassed.
Speaker 9 (31:44):
Who should be more? Yeah, Well, you know Tom, you know,
he won, you know, he won the narrative forever, and
you know, whether he wanted to or not. And I
think that like obviously he wanted to prove that there
is a different way to win, and see if there
is a different way to win. But you know, I
think that like the stuff that's happened between Belichick and Craft,
(32:06):
you know, look, Belichick and Brady are in a good place.
Like you know, these guys are never going to be
spit in your palm pals, but you know they're in
a good place in terms of their relationship. I think
it's going to take a lot of work for the
relationship between Robert Craft and Bill Belichick to you know,
be in a good place if that ever happens.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Good luck with the book. Great to catch up with
you again. Thank you, Seth.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
Thanks man.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Great to see you, Seth Wickersham. The book is out today.
It's called American King's a Biography of the quarterback. It's
a life cycle. It looks at the high school, college,
NFL and then retirement of some of the great quarterbacks
of all time. Well take a break, phone calls coming up,
and it's going to be rhyme time with Fritzie.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
It is back after this.
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Speaker 2 (33:06):
There hasn't been a no hitter in Major League Baseball
this season. Last full season without a no no was
two thousand and five, but it was on this date
in nineteen sixty five Sandy Kofax through his fourth career
no hitter and first perfect game in a win against
the Cubs. Marvin asked a question during the commercial break,
(33:26):
the most famous quarterback when you were growing up? And
I would probably say Joe Namath was famous, but it
was it was different because he wasn't the best quarterback.
I thought Lenny Dawson was a better quarterback. But what
Joe did and what he did in New York, and
(33:48):
he did it for the Jets, and he won the
super Bowl and the big underdog, and he's such a
nice person too, And he just had charisma. He had
it when you're wearing white shoes, like you you better
be really good. And he had long hair and he
wore like this big fur coat on the sidelines when
(34:09):
he was injured for a game. He played at Shay
terrible field. But oh what a release gosh. I think
it might be the you know, if you're looking at
pure quarterback throwing it.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
He made it look effortless.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
So I would say him Bart's Starr because he was
with the Packers and they were winning championships, they won
Super Bowls. Johnny Unitis, he was a little bit before
my time, but I would say those guys in the
late sixties, early seventies, and your quarterback back then, wasn't
(34:48):
somebody throwing thirty touchdowns Bart's Starr, Bob Greasy. They weren't,
you know, stat stuffers. They weren't going to put up
incredible numbers there. But they back then, being a field general,
they would call it. They were field generals. Joe Fisman
became famous. Uh he was a celebrity of sorts, and
(35:11):
then he was dating who was he dating on that show?
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Ton Oh like believe it or not?
Speaker 12 (35:18):
Do something like that?
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Yeah, Kathy Lee Crossey.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, Yeah, he was a celebrity. But I don't know
if did you have a quarterback growing up where you go?
Roger Staubach was another one who lives who became because
he was the Cowboys quarterback and he had been in
the military and Naval Academy, Heisman Trophy winner. He was
something special. You know, those were the first ones that
(35:42):
I came across, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 8 (35:44):
For me, it's probably Dan Marino. Yeah, I saw him
first in the movie ace Ventura Pet Detective.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Yeah, and I didn't know.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
He was a real quarterback.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Dylan, did you have one? I mean, for me, it
was really like Brady and Peyton Manning.
Speaker 16 (36:00):
Okay that their prime was sort of when I was
in my youth.
Speaker 18 (36:03):
You uh, well, it was a big Dann Marino fan.
But if when you asked me the most famous quarterback
from when I was young, it would have been Phil Simms.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Okay, he was you know Jersey.
Speaker 18 (36:14):
The Giants. We were on a run. You know, Phil
Simms was like as big as it got.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Todd.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, I was always big on the Cowboys Steelers, so
like Starback and Bradshaw. But again, the one that I
really felt like, like what Martin was saying, Dan Marino
for me, was like the first tie with the curly
hair and the tan and the good.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
One he did the is Toner glove commercial. Yeah, then
he you know when he's playing himself in the movie
with Jim Carrey, all right, time to do rhyme. Time,
Todd give us gets get the rules. Let everybody know
how to play rhyme time.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I'm gonna give you a pair of clues. The answer,
the words are rhymes there one word answer is that
rhyme with each other.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
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Speaker 2 (36:58):
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Speaker 5 (37:04):
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Wow, you guys are banging these out.
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who's a great tennis player these days?
Speaker 19 (37:51):
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Another word for a hint, shoe clue, the horseshoe clu.
I got a few more here. Longhorn, Madness, Longhorn madness,
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Speaker 20 (38:35):
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Speaker 5 (38:52):
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Speaker 3 (38:55):
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I can't do it. Michael Irvin.
Speaker 18 (39:11):
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Shaq would be Leader Aristotle dak Shack.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
The last one is Let's ride Flex, Let's ride flex.
Speaker 8 (39:33):
Russell Mussel, Russell Musco a minute and a half to
spare John.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
I like the way you did those clues. They were
a little they were a little off. They weren't.
Speaker 18 (39:44):
Some of them were pretty on the nose, but some
of them it took you a minute to get there.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
That was good. H Terry and Tennessee, morning Terry. What's
on your mind today?
Speaker 12 (39:52):
Hey?
Speaker 21 (39:53):
What's up Van?
Speaker 4 (39:53):
How you doing good?
Speaker 21 (39:55):
Hey man, I got to give you props for props
to do. You've made great recommendations on those for Drum
and those my Father's and if you hadn't tried the
new my Father's Blue, you'll love It's that's price pointed
by twelve bucks.
Speaker 12 (40:06):
You'll love it.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Thank you, Terry.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, those are cigars if you can't get Cuban cigars,
and they're even tougher to get now. The Padrone Anniversary
series is always great and my father a nice price point,
you know, maybe ten dollars, eleven dollars, twelve dollars, great cigar.
And I have no affiliation with, you know, any of
(40:29):
these cigars. I'm just telling you that if i'm smoking,
I usually have my Father, but the Padrone Anniversary that's
more expensive, but that's a great cigar. Never had a
bad Padrone. Now, if you give me a Hoyot demonaey,
I'll smoke that. That's a great cigar or boulevar. There's
(40:52):
there's quite a few of them. If you smoke cigars
and drink tequila, Ford Eliza is the great tequila you
can't get anymore. For some reason, everybody started buying it
up or they stopped making it.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Enough, let the secrets out. Damn all right. Two hours
in the books, One more to go, Fritzie's Seaton, Marv
Dylan and Yours Truly
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