September 15, 2025 • 40 mins
DP recaps Week 2 of the NFL and Week 3 of the college football season. Former NFL QB EJ Manuel breaks down the bad vibe around Clemson, and praises Miami as a legitimate national title contender. Pro Football HOF coach Bill Cowher remains staunchly anti-Tush Push and says the Browns should seriously consider pursuing Kirk Cousins to stay in contention.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Let me start with the Bengals because they have failed
business one oh one, Protect your investment. Back in twenty
twenty three, Burrow signed that five year, two hundred and
seventy five million dollar contract. The front office surrounded him
with weapons to mark Chase T Higgins arguably the best
receiving duo in football, but the offensive line. And that's
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not just limiting Joe Burrow's ceiling, it's keeping him off
the field. Now, in twenty twenty he tore just about
every ligament in his knee, ended his rookie year twenty
twenty two, MCL spring twenty twenty three, a cap string,
torn wrist ligament. Now, two weeks into the season and
his season is over. He'll be out for a minimum
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of three months. And at some point you think Cincinnati
would learn its lesson. You don't hand out these contracts
without protecting those who are making that kind of money.
Without Buro, the Bengals, they were contenders to maybe an afterthought,
and that can happen in a hurry. I know it's
only two weeks, but this is one of those once
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again where you go if you're a Bengal fan. It's
not a question of if Joe Burrow is gonna get hurt,
it's which body part here and now with turf toe,
And this is the weird part of football. Here's the
smallest thing you could injured. It's a tow but it's
turf toe, and he's going to need surgery. But three
months he'll be out, all right. Some of the other games,
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I'll just run down. Eagles over the Chiefs, Mike Colts
beat the Broncos on the leverage play.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Todd not in a good mood today.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Seahawks surprise the Steelers, Falcons handle the Vikings. Last night
the Niners over the Saints. Patriots with a big win
against the Dolphins, Lions roll the Bears, and Cowboys escape
the Giants, and what a great game back and forth
wild tonight you got the Buccaneers. They're getting two and
a half half against the Texans. Chargers are giving three
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and a half against My Raiders. College football Georgia and overtime.
Miami rolls USF, My Bulls and A and m over
Notre Dame, Vandy drops South Carolina, and Georgia Tech stuns
Clemson as well. Phone calls, Ready to go, Tyler sitting by,
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He'll take your phone calls. The Kansas City Chiefs game
against the Eagles. Eagles were favored and there was some
controversy there with the tush push.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And I have no problem.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
With the play because it's just me against you.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You know what we're doing. Try to stop it.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
But something happened yesterday that I think will change the
tush push, and that is Dean Blandino, former head of officials.
Now is you know he reviews plays for Fox. He
says I'm done. During the broadcast, he says, I'm done
with the toushbush. You can't officiate it. And I went
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ding ding ding ding ding. If the NFL Home Office
is going to hear that because they don't have the data.
I think from what I was told, my source said
they were trying to gather data that would say, hey,
we got to get read of this play. They don't
want the play, but you have to have a reason
to get read of the play. And the reason was
going to be, oh, look at the injuries. Well, they
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didn't have the data. And then all of a sudden,
you're going, Okay, yeah, I guess it's back in Well,
when Dean Blandino said that yesterday, I thought, there is
the out the NFL can say, we can't officiate this play.
We can't see everything that's going on. Well, there were
a couple of things you could see and they couldn't
officiate that because it looked like there was false start
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or the Chiefs were lined up in the neutral zone.
These are all things that can be officiated, but they
When Dean Blandino said that, I thought the NFL has
it's out because they don't have the injury and information
but you have. We just can't officiate this play. Now,
it's not fair, you know, to the Eagles, because the Eagles,
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you know, they designed this play. Everybody can run this play.
They're not the only ones. It's not like, hey, that's
our play, you can't run that. And that's why I said,
you know, I can't penalize the Eagles because they're really
good at this play. But the officials have to be
really good at that play as well, and they weren't yesterday. Now,
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did I think the Eagles were better than the Chiefs? Yes,
I did yesterday, But you know this is going to
be the Oh my gosh, the Chiefs are zero and two. Okay,
they weren't supposed to win this one. They have a
game on the road against the Chargers and Justin Herbert
has one of the best games of his career. I
you know, these people who bail after one game or
two games, you bail, don't come back, and like the
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Lions after Week.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
One unless they're coordinators. And I don't know. Now, the
bear can make anybody look good apparently, But.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Even with this, the Eagles are the best team in
football right now, and they proved it. They went to
Kansas City, but it was a close game. It just
we get on a bandwagon and then all of a sudden,
it's like, I'm off to the arch Manning bandwagon. Paul Feinbaum,
who have great respect for but he you know, fallen
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victim to the hot take squad here and then you know, hey,
this guy's the best motalented quarterback since Tim.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Tebow, and I went, how do we know this?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
There's no sample size where you go, yep, he's gonna
Teams are gonna tank for arch Manning and went, godly,
can we slow down on saying stupid things?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
If you want somebody to notice you, you're gonna say
these crazy things. I have no reason to believe arch Manning.
If arch Manning is not arch Manning, we would not
be This would not be a discussion. Oh but his
you know, his grandfather and his uncles, and I get
all of those things. I want to see what he does.
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I want I was fair to him against Ohio State,
extremely tough conditions. But you know, when you're playing UTEP,
I expect you to light it up unless he's injured.
That was the only caveat I would add to this.
Let me see what he does. Let's be fair to him.
We're hyping him. He's not now he's taking advantage of
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the hype with nil.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
But and I would have.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Discouraged him from doing that first year. I would have said,
you don't need the money, you know, just go out
there like Andrew Luck did this his first year in
the NFL. RG three got all the commercials. Andrew Luck said, no,
I'm just going to go in and play football. I
would have told Archie, don't do it. You know, your
family's got money, don't do it, because then you go
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to those commercial breaks after you you've you know, thrown
an interception or you know, got sacked and it just
it's not a good look there. But besides that, you know,
I gotta give him a chance here. Everybody was in
on JJ McCarthy, right, maybe not so much today after
last night.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
That's what we've become. It's so I gotta get this out.
I gotta have a hot take.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You don't have to, Rex Ryan said, Russell Wilson can't play.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
That was a week ago.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Can Russ still play now?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
He's somewhere in between week one and week two and
the Cowboys defense. I imagine if the Cowboys had a
pass rusher yesterday. But Russ can throw the deep ball,
and Dallas let him throw the deep ball. But Rex
Ryan said, Russell Wilson can't play anymore. Do you stand
by that? Hey, you got to get Jackson Dart in there.
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You don't have some patience. Let Russ play for a
month and then see what you have with the team.
And Russ played well enough to win. And I don't
know the interception. I don't know if that's on him.
I'll have to wait the guys who break down film.
It looked like it might have been the wrong pass
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route run by neighbors, might have been in fairness to us,
but he did play really well. But man, do we
want to we got it all figured out? We do
not have it figured out as much as we think
we do.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yes, Paulie, I have a five minute pole question before
we get to our normal Who had the worst weekend?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Should the Cincinnati Bengals call the Atlanta Falcons this morning
about Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
If you think that your team legitimately is going to
make the playoffs, I would probably stay with you Jake Browning.
He's not as good as Kirk Cousins, but Cousin's going
to cost you a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I think the better question that PAULI asked is, should
the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Call the Bengals? Yeah, Hey, Kirk.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Cousin, I mean, Michael Pennix Junior, the third played well
last night.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You could get Kirk Cousins off the books. I would.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I would at least inquire. But if I'm the Bengals
and the Bengals are thrifty trying to be kind as
it is, Kirk Cousins, yeah, thrifty, I would stay with
Jake Browning. I mean, you got two really good receivers
who need to act like two really good receivers here.
But three months, boy, that's if I mean, that's your
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season right there? Can you still carve out nine wins?
I mean they got the win yesterday against Jacksonville. That's
the important part of this. But you start to look
at these situations and that's why when you make predictions.
You know, Joe Burrow was MVP, like last year, he
was unbelievable. If they make the playoffs, maybe he's your MVP.
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Although you know Josh Allen and Lamar had spectacular years.
But you know, you're trying to figure out, Okay, he's
going to be m v P this year. Bengal's going
to make the playoffs. Now that's gone watching you know
people all in all in, you know the Pittsburgh Steelers, Okay,
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Aaron Rodgers, Yeah, until no against Seattle. So these things,
you know, you're trying to figure them out in real time.
Are you off Kansas City? You were off Detroit? There's
a market correction that happens every single year. Somebody's going
to be really good better than you thought. Somebody's not
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going to be as good. A couple of teams, you know,
maybe maybe that teams Kansas City maybe they're not as
good as we thought. You know, I think the Raiders
are better, the Chargers are better, the Broncos. And how
about the Niners Mac Jones two and zero. I mean
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they're banged up too, Yes, Martin.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
It's amazing what happens when you get that guy a chance.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Well, I didn't think they would fall off that much
because mac Jones is sort of a brocked pretty type quarterback,
and they were interested in mac Jones when he was
coming out, So I'm not surprised at that. He should
be pretty good. He got experience. Maybe he uses us
to get a new contract someplace else. Maybe it's like
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Sam Donald, Sam Darnald with Seattle. How about that big
win on the road. All right, so we'll get the
phone calls, best and worst of the weekend, What you
saw that you liked, you didn't like. We'll talk some
college football coming out as well. E J Manuel ESPN
college football analysts former NFL quarterback Bill Cower. The Steelers
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will stop by. Well he's of CBS. But you think
a coward, you think Steelers seat and you have poll
questions for us?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Heck yeah, dude, after the break, Heck yeah, dude.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Okay, all right, fair enough, how's morale? I'm sorry, I
know you're down, Oh.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Rally, I'm just u it was that was a tough,
but that was a tough one to take.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I would like to have seen what you look like.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
You did not want to see that. My wife had
to do with that. She was right next to me,
and she.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
What did it sound like?
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I was?
Speaker 6 (12:41):
I was just so frustrated by letting Daniel Jones look
like Joe Montana over three hundred yards passing one hundred
and sixty five yards rushing, they give up the tailor,
they miss a field goal late to go five, which
means obviously, anything other than a touchdown you win. And
then don't get me started on the last seconds with
the sixty yarder and then the forty five yard fieldal.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, these sixty yarders are nothing now, and you get
the ball at the thirty five yard line, two first downs,
you're in field goal range. And the Colts played for
a sixty yard field goal. They didn't try to improve,
they didn't try to go for more yards.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
They're like, no, we're good.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
The Cowboys, It's like, ah, sixty four, Yeah, we're good.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
It's not a big deal.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Although esthetically, you know, the NFL wants those high scoring plays,
and you know, and then all of a sudden you
bring out the least football like player and he's going
to decide these games. But and the pressure Brandon Aubrey,
who's going to be a free agent sixty four yarder,
so four career field goals of at least sixty yards
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he'll end up with the longest. I wouldn't be surprised
he ends up with his sixty seven sixty eight yarder
and passes Justin Tucker on the all time list.
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How do you think things are going in Clemson today?
Speaker 8 (14:50):
Who?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
First and foremost?
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Dan?
Speaker 8 (14:51):
Great to see you as well. I just want to
say you are an absolute legend. And since today's my
dad's birthday, we will wake up and watching on Sports
Center every single day. When I was young, not to
age yet all Dan, still look good, but want to
give you your flowers here as I joined the show. I'll
tell you what man, look, It's probably a dark, gloomy,
maybe rainy day in Clemson, South Carolina. And this is
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a team that came into the season with so much
hype and expectation preseason, all Americans and potential first overall
pick in the quarterback in k club Nick, and they
just haven't played consistently well.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
And the crazy.
Speaker 8 (15:27):
Part, Dan is they've been out physical in some portions
of the game. And going into this matchup with Jeordia Tech,
who is a tough team because of their head coach
and Brent Key.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
That's exactly what happened.
Speaker 8 (15:37):
And you know, they made some plays, but ultimately Jeordia
Tech made more, and that's what Tech has done since
Key's been the head coach.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But do you think if I said Notre Dame at
zero and two or Clemson at one and two, who's
in worse shape?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You would say, I'd say Notre Dame.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
It's in worse shape really, because, yeah, because they don't
have a conference championship to rely on. Dan So that's
the part for Notre Dame as an independent that we
have to take into consideration. So even if they go
undefeated from this point forward, they're still going to have
to really have a resume that shows, hey, we belong
in the top twelve to get into the playoff. Whereas
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for Clemson, you look at it, this is just one
conference loss, so they still have a ton more conference
games to play. They went out, potentially still make it
to Charlotte first weekend in December, it can play for ACS.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Championship like they did last year.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
And they actually lost one game in conference to Louisville
in twenty twenty four and still were able to make
the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
So I would say right.
Speaker 8 (16:34):
Now, Notre Dame's in a bit more, you know, tougher
shape than Clemson.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Is what happened at uc LA.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Oh dude, do they want to be a football program?
Speaker 5 (16:48):
You know?
Speaker 8 (16:48):
I had this conversation with Matt Barry and Joey Galloway
over the weekend as we're watching all the games, and
to me, Dan, I think it's a great job. You know,
we were having that discussion, is this a good spot
for another, you know, big name head coach because I
know now Deshaun Foster is now fired. I think it's
a great spot and looked. I lived in LA for
three years once I finished playing with the Raiders. I
had a little place out there. It was great. West
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was beautiful. It always seemed like the sun was shining.
But as far as football, I don't know what it is.
I'm not sure if it's buying from the presidents or
university presidents are just simply getting good players, because I
don't understand how you can be in Los Angeles and
not get really good talent in that area. If you
just draw a circle around LA, you should be able
to have a competitive team. So I don't know if
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it's going to the big ten. I'm not sure if
it's trying to figure it out with the quarterback, because
keep in mind Nikole ay mal Java got there pretty
late in the process. So as a QB sometimes you
need six or seven months to really learn an offense
to truly master it. But right now, again similar to
what I said about Clemson, they're being out physical, out
coached at times, and that's why now they're going to
get a new head coach.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
The Tennessee kicker Max Gilbert, Yeah, he misses the field goal.
I'm curious. What is it like to go to class
on that Monday after a bad game?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
You be in the quarterback Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I mean at Florida State, this is different because if
you're a professional kicker, you're not seeing people other than
your teammates when you go to practice. This guy has
to walk on campus and go to classes. And what's
that feeling like.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
It's not a good feeling at all, Dan, And you know,
it's one of those things I would allude it to this.
So imagine if there's a really pretty girl in class
that you sit next to, and she saw you the
first couple of weeks like, hey, good game, I see
I'll stand doing your thing, and then you go to
class that next Monday after a loss, and she doesn't
say anything to you.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
And that's literally what it is.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Man. It's one of those just where you know you
have to wear it for the next six days until
you get a chance to play again and hopefully you win.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
But it's tough. It's definitely tough, not easy.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Miami Hurricanes contender they are.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
I think their National championship contender is funny. I actually
texted the offensive coiner this morning, Shannon Dawson and I
know I'm a seminal, so technically we shouldn't like each other,
but as a professional, you know. And also I was
getting recruited by Mario Chris of Ball years ago, so
I've had a relationship with them. They look really good.
They're great in all three phases. Carson Beck is playing
at a high level. And I said this back in
the summer, Dan that when he got to Miami being
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in this offense. If you watched the growth of cam
Ward last year, a lot of this is because of
play calling from Shannon Dawson and OC. So he's somebody
to keep in mind as far as potential head coaching
jobs in the future. But also they got an excellent
offensive line defense is really physical, so Miami certainly is
a contender.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Feels like everybody we're talking to EJ.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Manuel ESPN College Football studio analyst, the Arch Manning hype train.
There was no room, you know, even in coach class.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
It was over hyped.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And the machine now feels like there's plenty of room
in first class here for arch Manning. What have you
seen and if and I don't know if he was
getting booed, but the offense was getting bowed and he's
the quarterback of that offense. But handicap what you've seen
and what we should ex out of Arch Manning, Well, what.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
I've seen is him just not feeling comfortable. And I
don't know if this is necessarily the play calls, because
he's been in this offense for two seasons now going
on three as the backup in the first two, but
you should have some comfort at this point. And I
do think this is partly just the emotion of handling
the expectation being a Manning and your grandpa was a
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Hall of Famer, your two uncles of Hall of famers,
and all the you know talk that goes into the offseason,
and shoot, I mean he was on preseason lists as
a first teamer and I even really played a full season,
and so uh, those types of things. I think one
is shown that he's human, and we all know that
he's human. But I think this is an area where
you still see a young man that's growing, that's learning.
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I'm sure if you ask coach Sarkesian, does he expecting
to play better? Sure, but as a young, inexperienced still quarterback.
This is what his fifth or sixth start of his career.
Dan He is technically, you know, on on time. And
the good thing too, they've only lost a house state
in close fashion. They won these two most recent games,
again not against tough opponents, but the team's still winning.
So I think right now for archers about building confidence.
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Continue to play with great timing like he did in
twenty twenty four, and that's really why I think the
hype was.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
There, because he looked really good.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
But it is a different layer of being the backup
versus when you're the full time guy.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You look back at your rookie season in the NFL,
if I could say to you, you could change something,
because it feels like all of these rookie quarterbacks come
in and they all make the same mistake. Take me
back to that rookie season and how you felt and
what you didn't realize.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah, that's a great, great question.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
So the one thing that I would look back on
This is probably gonna surprise people, but I actually got
hurt in the preseason. So I tore my meniscus in
the second preseason game, same injury that JJ McCarthy had
last year as a rookie and got surgery, fought back
to be able to play, and all that kind of stuff.
And truly, man, looking back, when I wish I advocated
for myself and say, coach, can I get like fully
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healthy before I start my NFL career because you get
judged as if you're fully healthy, And so that was
one part of it. The other part too, I think,
just continue to grow and learn the game, and also
reaching out to veterans, reaching out to other guys even
if they weren't on my team, reaching out to a
Donovan McNabb or a Warren Moon or Michael Vic, guys
who I knew would be willing to help me and
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to you know, kind of teach me in the off
seasons of just how to be a pro. That was
one thing I didn't really have within the locker room.
But as far as playing, look, I mean, you got
to make the froze, you got to make the reads.
You got to be accountable as well when you win,
and certainly have to be accountable when you lose.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
But looking back when, of course, I still.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Wish I was out there playing because I got buddies
who are still out there going.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
But I'm proud of the man. It is what it is.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
I learned a ton while I was in Buffalo and
met some great people and still root for the Bills
to this day.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, but I see these quarterbacks. They don't step up
in the pocket. They think that they can make a play.
Even cam Ward rolling right and throwing back left is
a terrible throw. It is, I mean, a great, great result,
but a terrible terrible.
Speaker 8 (22:59):
So let me touch on that. I think a little
bit of it is again an experience. I think the
other part is these quarterbacks were able to get away
with it in college and you assume, hey, I can
still make this play.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
And you know what, Dan, the game has changed.
Speaker 8 (23:13):
I mean the game now the quarterback position is predicated
off of athleticism. I mean, the best quarterbacks in our
league right now, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Like,
these guys are all very agile, very good athletes that
can move around and make plays.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
So you're right. Sometimes it's not a pretty play.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
It's not you know, the basic hey five in a
hitch or seven in a hitch, step up in the pocket.
But you know, again, for young quarterbacks, I think it's
a little bit of grace and giving them that opportunity
to grow and make mistakes. And as long as there's
a plan, I think that's the other thing, too, Dann.
For young quarterbacks, there has to be a plan set
in place for them for three years to say, hey,
look you got to hit this benchmark you got to
get and show me that you've had this amount of
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growth in this amount of time.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
And that way, I can think you can.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
Actually scale the amount of growth that you've seen from
guys good Patrick Mahomes, look at Josh Allen, how they grew,
you know, in their early tenures. Jordan Love, you know,
he got to sit for three seasons before he came
to Starter.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
So a lot of it's about development.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Joe Burrow's not doing anything athletically for the next three months.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Yeah, that is unfortunate. I saw that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, for turf toe. It's one of those when you
hear turf toe. Jack Lambert I think ended his career
with turf toe, Dione with turf toe.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I it's just one of those injuries where you go,
huh yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
It's tough too because Joe's playing so well. He is playing,
So I actually was watching the Quarterback Series on Netflix
and just getting a peek behind his mind and how
he goes about his daily life as far as a QB.
So it's unfortunate. And look, you know, I think it's
Jake Browning who's going to.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Be the backup.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
You know, he's played well, and I know that you
still got some really good pieces t Higgins and Jim
ar Chase and those kind of guys to still make
some plays for him. So you know, coz that got
a lot, a lot of work to do at this point,
but they'll certainly be missing Joe.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
My best to your father, Happy birthday to your father,
and great to talk to you again.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
He Jay.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Likewise, Thanks Dan EJ Manual.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
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Speaker 2 (25:12):
He's the Hall of Fame coach Bill Kawer, super Bowl Champion,
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Studio analyst coach.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Good to see you again.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
How do you not overreact to the first two weeks
of the season as a coach, Well.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
You can't, Dan.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
I think the biggest thing you do is just kind
of gain information about your football team and try to
find ways to win, but constantly adjusted and adapting as
you go through the first month, because I think you know,
you really don't know what you have and one thing
you have to keep in mind. I think now the
way people are approaching the preseason, the early first game
you're going to see these guys play a whole game
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is last week, and so now you have the second
week where now you're a little bit probably more sore,
so you're prepping for this. So I always thought that
first month is so trying to kind of get a
gauge for where your football team, your strengths, your flaws,
and then in the meantime, trying to find ways to
win games to stay in the hunt in that first month.
So if you go five hundred, I think you're good. Obviously,
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you know, to a fast start, it gives you a
little bit of leeway. In the middle of the season
we hit those inevitable walls. So but it's been an
exciting first two weeks, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
But it feels like Bill Belichick was given credit for
treating September like it was his preseason, Like those first
four games, we're going to get everybody. We're going to
find out what kind of football team, Like did you
do that as well? That you could look at an
entire month and go, then we can figure out who
we are.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
Yeah, I really wanted to kind of know what we
couldn't do more than what we could do. I mean,
because I think there's some things that didn't. You kind
of adapt and adjust a philosophy that's around what your
strengths are, trying to mask the flaws that you see
that show up. You know, you do something one week
as a circumstance, in two weeks in a row, it's
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a trend. You do something that's three weeks in a
row that's potentially a problem or that's a strength. So
I mean, I think that's the biggest thing you're trying
to do is understand what it is. But you also
don't want to make sure that you have flexibility in
your system so you can adapt and adjust injuries to
to who you're playing right now, or somebody starts to
stand out, you want to get them more involved into
the game plan. So it's really a fact finding month
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to me, and at the same time still finding ways
to win games so that you don't fall too far
in a hole. And if you're more obviously if you
go three and one, if you can go four and
on that first month, it just gives you some leeway
as you go down this. Like I said before, it's
hard to sustain it for four months. You don't want
to be playing your best football at the beginning. You
want to play your best football at the end. But
you off to a fast start really helps.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
How would you assess the Steelers after two games?
Speaker 9 (27:50):
Well, I mean, I think they did a lot of
good things in Week one. That's certainly a tough loss. Yesterday,
I think you know it's again, I mean, with that offense,
there's going to be some mistimings.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
That you saw.
Speaker 9 (28:03):
I thought it was interesting you saw a lot of
slants of DK Metcalf were behind him in the first week,
which means you know, you know, Aaron's trying to get
engauge for DK. This week was a couple were in
front of him. So there's that timing element that just
takes the game time element and seeing who plays faster,
who plays slower. There's some injuries that are going through
right now, and then certainly what happened with Caleb Johnson.
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I think that the with the with the uh you know,
with the kickoff. It reminds me going back in two
thousand in Plexico Burst his first year.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
I think it was week five.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
We were playing the Jacksonville Jaguars in Jacksonville, Plexyville goes
over the middle of the field, catches a dig route,
goes to the ground, gets up and spikes the ball
and then they was never touched. They catch the ball.
He's wondering why everyone keeps playing, and he realizes, oh, yeah,
I'm in the NFL, and you know what, you have
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to tag me down.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
So thank goodness, we were twenty we had a big lead.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
I'm going I hope that is a great teaching moment
for you, I says, because it didn't cost us the game,
but disunderstanding the Unnational Football League, you know you got
you gotta be tagged down. And I think for Kato
Johnson going back there seeing the ball going over his head,
he see he realized he didn't touch it. He went
into the end zone. So it's just gonna be a
touch back, no catob it's the NFL. You gotta jump
(29:21):
on it. So I don't think anyone felt worse about
that he did. It's a teaching moment that unfortunately came
at a very bad time in the game. But you know,
that is kind of the National Football League. I think
Mike Tomplin said the best yesterday that you know, the
week before they get a fumble on a putt return
and they end up going in and scoring and getting
to win, and yesterday they have a blunder in the
kicking game again. And so the kicking game, I thought
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these first two weeks have been very instrumental in football games.
And you're starting to see the kickoff now coming back
into play.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
So in the.
Speaker 9 (29:52):
Past I think we probably have kept players because we
weren't thinking about special teams, not much coverage. Well, you
start going to start thinking about it. Right now and
the kickers. We see him miss some points. Then we
see a sixty four yarder at the end of regulation,
followed up by another one at the end of overtime.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
So the kicking game has played a big part these
first two weeks.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
How a whare are you in the moment of yelling
at a player when you know everything's televised, there's a
camera on you constantly. But you know you saw this
in the Jacksonville game yesterday with coaching quarterback when you coached,
How aware were you?
Speaker 9 (30:26):
I don't think I didn't want to be aware. It's
an emotional game. I think the biggest thing they understood
with me is I wanted to be able to address
it at the moment, and if I felt at times
that I need to be the common storm, which means
there's too much hecticness going around. I was the calm,
but sometimes I needed to be the storm. I felt
like we're sleepwalking out there. I'm going to start getting
the people's faces and start waking them up, I said,
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Because so it really is to me that job at
the head coach, you kind of gauge where your football
team is and I think at the same time know
who the players are. There's some guys I think it's
okay to jump outside. No, it's not okay. They'll never
be okay. Pre snap penalty me is a lack of
focus that you have on your football team, and that's
totally unacceptable. You know, and taking care of the football.
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Sometimes those things happen. We see more punch outs now.
I talked about that yesterday in our show, is you
know the peanut punch that Charles Tillman punch out had
become very instrumental, and so protecting the football in space
is very very critical. Protecting the football overall is critical.
Pre snap penalty is unacceptable. So I think it's who
you are and who you're with. But also if you're
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going to yell at that personation, you pat him on
the back too. When they play, they have a good play.
So I just think and making sure they know where
they stand with you, and you make sure you know
where you stand with them, and make sure you know
who the player is.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Bill Kauer, hall of Famer and analyst for the NFL
Today on CBS, the Tush push prominent yesterday. And I
don't know if you've changed your opinion one way or another.
But I brought up the Dean Blandino during the broadcast
said that he's given up on this. He doesn't know
how you can officiate this play.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
Your thoughts, well, oh, I've been against the play for
two years and made my feelings quite known. It's not
a football play. It's a scrum, you know. And they
had that rugby, Dan, you know what they didn't Rugby,
They eliminated the scrump. They took it out because it
wasn't a safe play, but we keep it in. The
NFL makes sense of that one. They got rid of
it because of the years, So we're gonna have to
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wait for some kind of catastrophic injury to change it.
I don't think it's a good looking play. I know
that Philadelphia is good at It has nothing to do
with the Philadelphia Eagles for me. But you know, I
think you saw that play yesterday. How many times did
we see? It's because of our technology today that they're
leaving before the balls even snapped. So I mean, I
don't know how we can somehow look at that play
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and understand that it's an injury waiting to happen. I
think personally, and it doesn't even a good looking play
and pushing people down the field. When do you stop
the push? And I think it makes it very hard
for officials to understand, you know, at what point is
to play over with with with this play.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
So I don't know.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
So I just I feel like it's we're gonna have
to get more information. There's two votes away from being
eliminated in the league meeting a year ago. We'll see
where it is a year from now. But I just,
I mean, I think it's a dangerous play. I know
there's not been any data to support that, but I
don't even think it's a good looking play. Listen, you
want to do the quarterback snake, then do what bart
(33:26):
Star did with Jerry Kramer. Run over your good offensive
Wiman and a frozen Tundra. I'm not taking away the
quarterback snake. Love the quarterback sneak, but not the touch push.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Come on, yeah, I think Philadelphia would still be almost
as successful given Jalen Hurts. There's no quarterback built like
Jalen Hurds. I don't like the people behind Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I don't like that aspect of it. But I do
think there's an out, no coach, and that is that
you can't officiate this. You know, you're you're just somebody
in the neutral zone. Did somebody jump? But like there's
where do you spot the ball? There's language in here
now that I think because you don't have the injury data,
now the NFL can say we just can't officiate this correctly.
Speaker 9 (34:10):
I don't I listen, please go on the platform. I'm
supporting you one, I agree with you on multiple levels.
And I also to go back to another thing then
I think, I go say this, when is the scrum over?
And now to take that scrum down the field. And
now you're going to get players who are so used
to pushing the other players when you're in space. That
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is a safety issue that's involved with that as well.
So I mean, pushing players. Why can't we push on defense?
Why is it just the offensive guys get to push?
I mean, so it's almost an unfair legality to the
play like this. So, I mean, it's just it's so
one sided. It's not a pretty play. It's not a
strategical play at all either. I think football is a
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string game of strategy, and I again, I'm not trying
to get rid of of the quarterback sneaking. There's a
certain art to the quarterback sneak.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
And I agree with you. Jail hurts to be good
at it.
Speaker 9 (35:03):
He takes a step back, He's always having a feel
for where they try to to to sit there and
take away this gap. He'll take it one gap wider.
And so there is an art. I mean, we talked.
We used to practice a quarterback sneak all the time
with Cordell Stewart. Ben Roethlisberger a big guy, and so
there's a degree of hesitancy that you have to have
with the quarterback sneak. But to have guys push you
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from behind and get that line up we saw yesterday
like a b formation, like a flock of geese get
ready to take off one south and something.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
I don't know, it's just it's just it's just I
don't know. I don't like the look of it.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
I don't think it's a safe play and I don't
think it's strategical in any manner.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Well, you had the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
They got penalized for leverage yesterday on that field goal.
They are not allowed to push up the middle, and
I gets I know that's a tough penalty to call.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
It's a tough penalty to call.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
It was the correct call, And again, you look at
some of these things that are being at that time,
I mean at the game that was won, literally taken
away from him just because of an oversight. I mean, right, really,
here's a guy never even made a sixty yarders, so
you're going out there, he's.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Already beyond what He's never made.
Speaker 9 (36:12):
One that far, So why you even put yourself in
that situation where you'd even have it to be misinterpreted?
So you know, again, I'm sure that's one Sean probably
feels like he would have had back too, is you
know they get kidd and not just the penalty itself,
but fifteen yards I mean, okay, I mean I leverage
like that, Come on, maybe five yards okay, at least
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fifteen yards is pretty severe.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I'm wondering, if you're the Bengals with Joe Burrow now
out for three months, do you reach out to the
Falcons for Kirk Cousins? Would you reach out to Derek Carr,
who last week said on the show not officially retired
if somebody called him, maybe, But at what point do
you go Is Jake Browning good enough with the Bengals
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or do we go out and get a better quarterback.
Speaker 9 (37:00):
Oh, I think Jake Browning is going to be the
guy right now. But I agree with you. I think
Kirk Cousins. I watched him last night sitting there with
Michael Pennix where he's at, and I know that, you know,
having him as a backup right now for the Falcons
is something that you may have to give up something.
But listen, I think the Cincinnati Bengals said they're all in.
They were all in when he signed to Higgins, They're
all in when he made that deal with Trey Hendrickson
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to get him to come into play this year. He's
played his butt off his first two weeks, so I
just think they have to look at a backup playing.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
I think Nate Browning is the guy. He knows that offense.
Speaker 9 (37:30):
Zach Taylor, I think has done a great job with
his team getting them ready to play in the first
two weeks.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
But you know, three.
Speaker 9 (37:36):
Months is a long period of time and I would
hate to jeopardize that and not having a quality backup
behind it. So I don't know where Derek carry is
with his shoulder I think was just mentioned. I think
the best guy out there right now is a guy
like Kirk Cousins, because I think he is now here
moved from his injury. He looked like a guy who's
very anty to play on that sideline. Last night he
was watching Michael pennicks Man. He's like, you know, that's
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my ex team out there, So I'd be a guy
I would have on my radar.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Good to talk to you. I didn't get you fired
up this Monday like I have before.
Speaker 9 (38:06):
No, no, no, no, you always get me fired out.
I was fired enough to come on here. And we
didn't even talking about the games tonight. I wanted to talk.
I mean, let's just talk about one second, Okay, the
infamous Jim Harball going against Pete Carroll. This goes so
far back. Jim Harball was at Stanford, Pete Carroll was
at USC. They used to recruit against each other. Then
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they go to the NFC West, Pete Carroll goes to Seattle,
Jim Harball goes to San Francisco, and they used to
compete against each other. And here they are tonight. Here
they are the Vegas going against the Chargers winner first
place in the AFC West. You got to love this scenario,
the game within the game. We're gonna have that tonight
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and this is watched. Those two guys on the sideline,
there's a genuine dislike for each other, a genuine respect
for each other.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
But this is deep, deep rooted.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Did you have have one of those rivalries with a coach?
Speaker 9 (39:04):
Oh, I didn't like the Baltimore Ravens when I coached,
and that was with Brian Billing.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Did you know like Brian Billick?
Speaker 5 (39:14):
Well, he was a part of Baltimore raven.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
I'm that would be a yes.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
I just it was. He was a Raven.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But he was a genius. He was called a genius.
You probably were bothered by that that he was an
offensive genius.
Speaker 9 (39:32):
You know, you want to get you started this, that's
let it go.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
It's a nice Monday, a lot of good wins. We're
not going down his staff. That's another day. An okay,
all right, we'll pick up on that.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Why don't you just take a walk in Central Park
and cool down a little bit.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Okay, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. Thank you.
Speaker 9 (39:53):
So, I know, I guess I kind of I guess
I kind of brought that coaching thing up?
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Did I yes?
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yes? Okay, my bad all Thank you coach, good to
talk to you. That's Bill Kauer.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Let me start with the Bengals because they have failed
business one oh one, Protect your investment. Back in twenty
twenty three, Burrow signed that five year, two hundred and
seventy five million dollar contract. The front office surrounded him
with weapons to mark Chase T Higgins arguably the best
receiving duo in football, but the offensive line. And that's
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not just limiting Joe Burrow's ceiling, it's keeping him off
the field. Now, in twenty twenty he tore just about
every ligament in his knee, ended his rookie year twenty
twenty two, MCL spring twenty twenty three, a cap string,
torn wrist ligament. Now, two weeks into the season and
his season is over. He'll be out for a minimum
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of three months. And at some point you think Cincinnati
would learn its lesson. You don't hand out these contracts
without protecting those who are making that kind of money.
Without Buro, the Bengals, they were contenders to maybe an afterthought,
and that can happen in a hurry. I know it's
only two weeks, but this is one of those once
(01:10):
again where you go if you're a Bengal fan. It's
not a question of if Joe Burrow is gonna get hurt,
it's which body part here and now with turf toe,
And this is the weird part of football. Here's the
smallest thing you could injured. It's a tow but it's
turf toe, and he's going to need surgery. But three
months he'll be out, all right. Some of the other games,
(01:33):
I'll just run down. Eagles over the Chiefs, Mike Colts
beat the Broncos on the leverage play.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Todd not in a good mood today.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Seahawks surprise the Steelers, Falcons handle the Vikings. Last night
the Niners over the Saints. Patriots with a big win
against the Dolphins, Lions roll the Bears, and Cowboys escape
the Giants, and what a great game back and forth
wild tonight you got the Buccaneers. They're getting two and
a half half against the Texans. Chargers are giving three
(02:03):
and a half against My Raiders. College football Georgia and overtime.
Miami rolls USF, My Bulls and A and m over
Notre Dame, Vandy drops South Carolina, and Georgia Tech stuns
Clemson as well. Phone calls, Ready to go, Tyler sitting by,
(02:24):
He'll take your phone calls. The Kansas City Chiefs game
against the Eagles. Eagles were favored and there was some
controversy there with the tush push.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And I have no problem.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
With the play because it's just me against you.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You know what we're doing. Try to stop it.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
But something happened yesterday that I think will change the
tush push, and that is Dean Blandino, former head of officials.
Now is you know he reviews plays for Fox. He
says I'm done. During the broadcast, he says, I'm done
with the toushbush. You can't officiate it. And I went
(03:05):
ding ding ding ding ding. If the NFL Home Office
is going to hear that because they don't have the data.
I think from what I was told, my source said
they were trying to gather data that would say, hey,
we got to get read of this play. They don't
want the play, but you have to have a reason
to get read of the play. And the reason was
going to be, oh, look at the injuries. Well, they
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didn't have the data. And then all of a sudden,
you're going, Okay, yeah, I guess it's back in Well,
when Dean Blandino said that yesterday, I thought, there is
the out the NFL can say, we can't officiate this play.
We can't see everything that's going on. Well, there were
a couple of things you could see and they couldn't
officiate that because it looked like there was false start
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or the Chiefs were lined up in the neutral zone.
These are all things that can be officiated, but they
When Dean Blandino said that, I thought the NFL has
it's out because they don't have the injury and information
but you have. We just can't officiate this play. Now,
it's not fair, you know, to the Eagles, because the Eagles,
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you know, they designed this play. Everybody can run this play.
They're not the only ones. It's not like, hey, that's
our play, you can't run that. And that's why I said,
you know, I can't penalize the Eagles because they're really
good at this play. But the officials have to be
really good at that play as well, and they weren't yesterday. Now,
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did I think the Eagles were better than the Chiefs? Yes,
I did yesterday, But you know this is going to
be the Oh my gosh, the Chiefs are zero and two. Okay,
they weren't supposed to win this one. They have a
game on the road against the Chargers and Justin Herbert
has one of the best games of his career. I
you know, these people who bail after one game or
two games, you bail, don't come back, and like the
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Lions after Week.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
One unless they're coordinators. And I don't know. Now, the
bear can make anybody look good apparently, But.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Even with this, the Eagles are the best team in
football right now, and they proved it. They went to
Kansas City, but it was a close game. It just
we get on a bandwagon and then all of a sudden,
it's like, I'm off to the arch Manning bandwagon. Paul Feinbaum,
who have great respect for but he you know, fallen
(05:23):
victim to the hot take squad here and then you know, hey,
this guy's the best motalented quarterback since Tim.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Tebow, and I went, how do we know this?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
There's no sample size where you go, yep, he's gonna
Teams are gonna tank for arch Manning and went, godly,
can we slow down on saying stupid things?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
If you want somebody to notice you, you're gonna say
these crazy things. I have no reason to believe arch Manning.
If arch Manning is not arch Manning, we would not
be This would not be a discussion. Oh but his
you know, his grandfather and his uncles, and I get
all of those things. I want to see what he does.
(06:08):
I want I was fair to him against Ohio State,
extremely tough conditions. But you know, when you're playing UTEP,
I expect you to light it up unless he's injured.
That was the only caveat I would add to this.
Let me see what he does. Let's be fair to him.
We're hyping him. He's not now he's taking advantage of
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the hype with nil.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
But and I would have.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Discouraged him from doing that first year. I would have said,
you don't need the money, you know, just go out
there like Andrew Luck did this his first year in
the NFL. RG three got all the commercials. Andrew Luck said, no,
I'm just going to go in and play football. I
would have told Archie, don't do it. You know, your
family's got money, don't do it, because then you go
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to those commercial breaks after you you've you know, thrown
an interception or you know, got sacked and it just
it's not a good look there. But besides that, you know,
I gotta give him a chance here. Everybody was in
on JJ McCarthy, right, maybe not so much today after
last night.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
That's what we've become. It's so I gotta get this out.
I gotta have a hot take.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You don't have to, Rex Ryan said, Russell Wilson can't play.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
That was a week ago.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Can Russ still play now?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
He's somewhere in between week one and week two and
the Cowboys defense. I imagine if the Cowboys had a
pass rusher yesterday. But Russ can throw the deep ball,
and Dallas let him throw the deep ball. But Rex
Ryan said, Russell Wilson can't play anymore. Do you stand
by that? Hey, you got to get Jackson Dart in there.
(08:00):
You don't have some patience. Let Russ play for a
month and then see what you have with the team.
And Russ played well enough to win. And I don't
know the interception. I don't know if that's on him.
I'll have to wait the guys who break down film.
It looked like it might have been the wrong pass
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route run by neighbors, might have been in fairness to us,
but he did play really well. But man, do we
want to we got it all figured out? We do
not have it figured out as much as we think
we do.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yes, Paulie, I have a five minute pole question before
we get to our normal Who had the worst weekend?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Should the Cincinnati Bengals call the Atlanta Falcons this morning
about Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
If you think that your team legitimately is going to
make the playoffs, I would probably stay with you Jake Browning.
He's not as good as Kirk Cousins, but Cousin's going
to cost you a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I think the better question that PAULI asked is, should
the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Call the Bengals? Yeah, Hey, Kirk.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Cousin, I mean, Michael Pennix Junior, the third played well
last night.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You could get Kirk Cousins off the books. I would.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I would at least inquire. But if I'm the Bengals
and the Bengals are thrifty trying to be kind as
it is, Kirk Cousins, yeah, thrifty, I would stay with
Jake Browning. I mean, you got two really good receivers
who need to act like two really good receivers here.
But three months, boy, that's if I mean, that's your
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season right there? Can you still carve out nine wins?
I mean they got the win yesterday against Jacksonville. That's
the important part of this. But you start to look
at these situations and that's why when you make predictions.
You know, Joe Burrow was MVP, like last year, he
was unbelievable. If they make the playoffs, maybe he's your MVP.
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Although you know Josh Allen and Lamar had spectacular years.
But you know, you're trying to figure out, Okay, he's
going to be m v P this year. Bengal's going
to make the playoffs. Now that's gone watching you know
people all in all in, you know the Pittsburgh Steelers, Okay,
(10:35):
Aaron Rodgers, Yeah, until no against Seattle. So these things,
you know, you're trying to figure them out in real time.
Are you off Kansas City? You were off Detroit? There's
a market correction that happens every single year. Somebody's going
to be really good better than you thought. Somebody's not
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going to be as good. A couple of teams, you know,
maybe maybe that teams Kansas City maybe they're not as
good as we thought. You know, I think the Raiders
are better, the Chargers are better, the Broncos. And how
about the Niners Mac Jones two and zero. I mean
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they're banged up too, Yes, Martin.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
It's amazing what happens when you get that guy a chance.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Well, I didn't think they would fall off that much
because mac Jones is sort of a brocked pretty type quarterback,
and they were interested in mac Jones when he was
coming out, So I'm not surprised at that. He should
be pretty good. He got experience. Maybe he uses us
to get a new contract someplace else. Maybe it's like
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Sam Donald, Sam Darnald with Seattle. How about that big
win on the road. All right, so we'll get the
phone calls, best and worst of the weekend, What you
saw that you liked, you didn't like. We'll talk some
college football coming out as well. E J Manuel ESPN
college football analysts former NFL quarterback Bill Cower. The Steelers
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will stop by. Well he's of CBS. But you think
a coward, you think Steelers seat and you have poll
questions for us?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Heck yeah, dude, after the break, Heck yeah, dude.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Okay, all right, fair enough, how's morale? I'm sorry, I
know you're down, Oh.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Rally, I'm just u it was that was a tough,
but that was a tough one to take.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I would like to have seen what you look like.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
You did not want to see that. My wife had
to do with that. She was right next to me,
and she.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
What did it sound like?
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I was?
Speaker 6 (12:41):
I was just so frustrated by letting Daniel Jones look
like Joe Montana over three hundred yards passing one hundred
and sixty five yards rushing, they give up the tailor,
they miss a field goal late to go five, which
means obviously, anything other than a touchdown you win. And
then don't get me started on the last seconds with
the sixty yarder and then the forty five yard fieldal.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, these sixty yarders are nothing now, and you get
the ball at the thirty five yard line, two first downs,
you're in field goal range. And the Colts played for
a sixty yard field goal. They didn't try to improve,
they didn't try to go for more yards.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
They're like, no, we're good.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
The Cowboys, It's like, ah, sixty four, Yeah, we're good.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
It's not a big deal.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Although esthetically, you know, the NFL wants those high scoring plays,
and you know, and then all of a sudden you
bring out the least football like player and he's going
to decide these games. But and the pressure Brandon Aubrey,
who's going to be a free agent sixty four yarder,
so four career field goals of at least sixty yards
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he'll end up with the longest. I wouldn't be surprised
he ends up with his sixty seven sixty eight yarder
and passes Justin Tucker on the all time list.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
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Speaker 7 (14:04):
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Speaker 2 (14:32):
He provides studio coverage every Saturday throughout the season on
ESPN with Matt Berry and Joey Galloway. Also co host
the ACC Network football podcast. Good to see You Again, Ej.
How do you think things are going in Clemson today?
Speaker 8 (14:50):
Who?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
First and foremost?
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Dan?
Speaker 8 (14:51):
Great to see you as well. I just want to
say you are an absolute legend. And since today's my
dad's birthday, we will wake up and watching on Sports
Center every single day. When I was young, not to
age yet all Dan, still look good, but want to
give you your flowers here as I joined the show. I'll
tell you what man, look, It's probably a dark, gloomy,
maybe rainy day in Clemson, South Carolina. And this is
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a team that came into the season with so much
hype and expectation preseason, all Americans and potential first overall
pick in the quarterback in k club Nick, and they
just haven't played consistently well.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
And the crazy.
Speaker 8 (15:27):
Part, Dan is they've been out physical in some portions
of the game. And going into this matchup with Jeordia Tech,
who is a tough team because of their head coach
and Brent Key.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
That's exactly what happened.
Speaker 8 (15:37):
And you know, they made some plays, but ultimately Jeordia
Tech made more, and that's what Tech has done since
Key's been the head coach.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But do you think if I said Notre Dame at
zero and two or Clemson at one and two, who's
in worse shape?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You would say, I'd say Notre Dame.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
It's in worse shape really, because, yeah, because they don't
have a conference championship to rely on. Dan So that's
the part for Notre Dame as an independent that we
have to take into consideration. So even if they go
undefeated from this point forward, they're still going to have
to really have a resume that shows, hey, we belong
in the top twelve to get into the playoff. Whereas
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for Clemson, you look at it, this is just one
conference loss, so they still have a ton more conference
games to play. They went out, potentially still make it
to Charlotte first weekend in December, it can play for ACS.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Championship like they did last year.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
And they actually lost one game in conference to Louisville
in twenty twenty four and still were able to make
the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
So I would say right.
Speaker 8 (16:34):
Now, Notre Dame's in a bit more, you know, tougher
shape than Clemson.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Is what happened at uc LA.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Oh dude, do they want to be a football program?
Speaker 5 (16:48):
You know?
Speaker 8 (16:48):
I had this conversation with Matt Barry and Joey Galloway
over the weekend as we're watching all the games, and
to me, Dan, I think it's a great job. You know,
we were having that discussion, is this a good spot
for another, you know, big name head coach because I
know now Deshaun Foster is now fired. I think it's
a great spot and looked. I lived in LA for
three years once I finished playing with the Raiders. I
had a little place out there. It was great. West
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was beautiful. It always seemed like the sun was shining.
But as far as football, I don't know what it is.
I'm not sure if it's buying from the presidents or
university presidents are just simply getting good players, because I
don't understand how you can be in Los Angeles and
not get really good talent in that area. If you
just draw a circle around LA, you should be able
to have a competitive team. So I don't know if
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it's going to the big ten. I'm not sure if
it's trying to figure it out with the quarterback, because
keep in mind Nikole ay mal Java got there pretty
late in the process. So as a QB sometimes you
need six or seven months to really learn an offense
to truly master it. But right now, again similar to
what I said about Clemson, they're being out physical, out
coached at times, and that's why now they're going to
get a new head coach.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
The Tennessee kicker Max Gilbert, Yeah, he misses the field goal.
I'm curious. What is it like to go to class
on that Monday after a bad game?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
You be in the quarterback Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I mean at Florida State, this is different because if
you're a professional kicker, you're not seeing people other than
your teammates when you go to practice. This guy has
to walk on campus and go to classes. And what's
that feeling like.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
It's not a good feeling at all, Dan, And you know,
it's one of those things I would allude it to this.
So imagine if there's a really pretty girl in class
that you sit next to, and she saw you the
first couple of weeks like, hey, good game, I see
I'll stand doing your thing, and then you go to
class that next Monday after a loss, and she doesn't
say anything to you.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
And that's literally what it is.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Man. It's one of those just where you know you
have to wear it for the next six days until
you get a chance to play again and hopefully you win.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
But it's tough. It's definitely tough, not easy.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Miami Hurricanes contender they are.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
I think their National championship contender is funny. I actually
texted the offensive coiner this morning, Shannon Dawson and I
know I'm a seminal, so technically we shouldn't like each other,
but as a professional, you know. And also I was
getting recruited by Mario Chris of Ball years ago, so
I've had a relationship with them. They look really good.
They're great in all three phases. Carson Beck is playing
at a high level. And I said this back in
the summer, Dan that when he got to Miami being
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in this offense. If you watched the growth of cam
Ward last year, a lot of this is because of
play calling from Shannon Dawson and OC. So he's somebody
to keep in mind as far as potential head coaching
jobs in the future. But also they got an excellent
offensive line defense is really physical, so Miami certainly is
a contender.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Feels like everybody we're talking to EJ.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Manuel ESPN College Football studio analyst, the Arch Manning hype train.
There was no room, you know, even in coach class.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
It was over hyped.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And the machine now feels like there's plenty of room
in first class here for arch Manning. What have you
seen and if and I don't know if he was
getting booed, but the offense was getting bowed and he's
the quarterback of that offense. But handicap what you've seen
and what we should ex out of Arch Manning, Well, what.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
I've seen is him just not feeling comfortable. And I
don't know if this is necessarily the play calls, because
he's been in this offense for two seasons now going
on three as the backup in the first two, but
you should have some comfort at this point. And I
do think this is partly just the emotion of handling
the expectation being a Manning and your grandpa was a
(20:22):
Hall of Famer, your two uncles of Hall of famers,
and all the you know talk that goes into the offseason,
and shoot, I mean he was on preseason lists as
a first teamer and I even really played a full season,
and so uh, those types of things. I think one
is shown that he's human, and we all know that
he's human. But I think this is an area where
you still see a young man that's growing, that's learning.
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I'm sure if you ask coach Sarkesian, does he expecting
to play better? Sure, but as a young, inexperienced still quarterback.
This is what his fifth or sixth start of his career.
Dan He is technically, you know, on on time. And
the good thing too, they've only lost a house state
in close fashion. They won these two most recent games,
again not against tough opponents, but the team's still winning.
So I think right now for archers about building confidence.
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Continue to play with great timing like he did in
twenty twenty four, and that's really why I think the
hype was.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
There, because he looked really good.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
But it is a different layer of being the backup
versus when you're the full time guy.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You look back at your rookie season in the NFL,
if I could say to you, you could change something,
because it feels like all of these rookie quarterbacks come
in and they all make the same mistake. Take me
back to that rookie season and how you felt and
what you didn't realize.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah, that's a great, great question.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
So the one thing that I would look back on
This is probably gonna surprise people, but I actually got
hurt in the preseason. So I tore my meniscus in
the second preseason game, same injury that JJ McCarthy had
last year as a rookie and got surgery, fought back
to be able to play, and all that kind of stuff.
And truly, man, looking back, when I wish I advocated
for myself and say, coach, can I get like fully
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healthy before I start my NFL career because you get
judged as if you're fully healthy, And so that was
one part of it. The other part too, I think,
just continue to grow and learn the game, and also
reaching out to veterans, reaching out to other guys even
if they weren't on my team, reaching out to a
Donovan McNabb or a Warren Moon or Michael Vic, guys
who I knew would be willing to help me and
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to you know, kind of teach me in the off
seasons of just how to be a pro. That was
one thing I didn't really have within the locker room.
But as far as playing, look, I mean, you got
to make the froze, you got to make the reads.
You got to be accountable as well when you win,
and certainly have to be accountable when you lose.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
But looking back when, of course, I still.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Wish I was out there playing because I got buddies
who are still out there going.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
But I'm proud of the man. It is what it is.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
I learned a ton while I was in Buffalo and
met some great people and still root for the Bills
to this day.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, but I see these quarterbacks. They don't step up
in the pocket. They think that they can make a play.
Even cam Ward rolling right and throwing back left is
a terrible throw. It is, I mean, a great, great result,
but a terrible terrible.
Speaker 8 (22:59):
So let me touch on that. I think a little
bit of it is again an experience. I think the
other part is these quarterbacks were able to get away
with it in college and you assume, hey, I can
still make this play.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
And you know what, Dan, the game has changed.
Speaker 8 (23:13):
I mean the game now the quarterback position is predicated
off of athleticism. I mean, the best quarterbacks in our
league right now, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Like,
these guys are all very agile, very good athletes that
can move around and make plays.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
So you're right. Sometimes it's not a pretty play.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
It's not you know, the basic hey five in a
hitch or seven in a hitch, step up in the pocket.
But you know, again, for young quarterbacks, I think it's
a little bit of grace and giving them that opportunity
to grow and make mistakes. And as long as there's
a plan, I think that's the other thing, too, Dann.
For young quarterbacks, there has to be a plan set
in place for them for three years to say, hey,
look you got to hit this benchmark you got to
get and show me that you've had this amount of
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growth in this amount of time.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
And that way, I can think you can.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
Actually scale the amount of growth that you've seen from
guys good Patrick Mahomes, look at Josh Allen, how they grew,
you know, in their early tenures. Jordan Love, you know,
he got to sit for three seasons before he came
to Starter.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
So a lot of it's about development.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Joe Burrow's not doing anything athletically for the next three months.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Yeah, that is unfortunate. I saw that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, for turf toe. It's one of those when you
hear turf toe. Jack Lambert I think ended his career
with turf toe, Dione with turf toe.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I it's just one of those injuries where you go,
huh yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
It's tough too because Joe's playing so well. He is playing,
So I actually was watching the Quarterback Series on Netflix
and just getting a peek behind his mind and how
he goes about his daily life as far as a QB.
So it's unfortunate. And look, you know, I think it's
Jake Browning who's going to.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Be the backup.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
You know, he's played well, and I know that you
still got some really good pieces t Higgins and Jim
ar Chase and those kind of guys to still make
some plays for him. So you know, coz that got
a lot, a lot of work to do at this point,
but they'll certainly be missing Joe.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
My best to your father, Happy birthday to your father,
and great to talk to you again.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
He Jay.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Likewise, Thanks Dan EJ Manual.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
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Speaker 2 (25:12):
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Speaker 3 (25:20):
Good to see you again.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
How do you not overreact to the first two weeks
of the season as a coach, Well.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
You can't, Dan.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
I think the biggest thing you do is just kind
of gain information about your football team and try to
find ways to win, but constantly adjusted and adapting as
you go through the first month, because I think you know,
you really don't know what you have and one thing
you have to keep in mind. I think now the
way people are approaching the preseason, the early first game
you're going to see these guys play a whole game
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is last week, and so now you have the second
week where now you're a little bit probably more sore,
so you're prepping for this. So I always thought that
first month is so trying to kind of get a
gauge for where your football team, your strengths, your flaws,
and then in the meantime, trying to find ways to
win games to stay in the hunt in that first month.
So if you go five hundred, I think you're good. Obviously,
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you know, to a fast start, it gives you a
little bit of leeway. In the middle of the season
we hit those inevitable walls. So but it's been an
exciting first two weeks, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
But it feels like Bill Belichick was given credit for
treating September like it was his preseason, Like those first
four games, we're going to get everybody. We're going to
find out what kind of football team, Like did you
do that as well? That you could look at an
entire month and go, then we can figure out who
we are.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
Yeah, I really wanted to kind of know what we
couldn't do more than what we could do. I mean,
because I think there's some things that didn't. You kind
of adapt and adjust a philosophy that's around what your
strengths are, trying to mask the flaws that you see
that show up. You know, you do something one week
as a circumstance, in two weeks in a row, it's
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a trend. You do something that's three weeks in a
row that's potentially a problem or that's a strength. So
I mean, I think that's the biggest thing you're trying
to do is understand what it is. But you also
don't want to make sure that you have flexibility in
your system so you can adapt and adjust injuries to
to who you're playing right now, or somebody starts to
stand out, you want to get them more involved into
the game plan. So it's really a fact finding month
(27:24):
to me, and at the same time still finding ways
to win games so that you don't fall too far
in a hole. And if you're more obviously if you
go three and one, if you can go four and
on that first month, it just gives you some leeway
as you go down this. Like I said before, it's
hard to sustain it for four months. You don't want
to be playing your best football at the beginning. You
want to play your best football at the end. But
you off to a fast start really helps.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
How would you assess the Steelers after two games?
Speaker 9 (27:50):
Well, I mean, I think they did a lot of
good things in Week one. That's certainly a tough loss. Yesterday,
I think you know it's again, I mean, with that offense,
there's going to be some mistimings.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
That you saw.
Speaker 9 (28:03):
I thought it was interesting you saw a lot of
slants of DK Metcalf were behind him in the first week,
which means you know, you know, Aaron's trying to get
engauge for DK. This week was a couple were in
front of him. So there's that timing element that just
takes the game time element and seeing who plays faster,
who plays slower. There's some injuries that are going through
right now, and then certainly what happened with Caleb Johnson.
(28:25):
I think that the with the with the uh you know,
with the kickoff. It reminds me going back in two
thousand in Plexico Burst his first year.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
I think it was week five.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
We were playing the Jacksonville Jaguars in Jacksonville, Plexyville goes
over the middle of the field, catches a dig route,
goes to the ground, gets up and spikes the ball
and then they was never touched. They catch the ball.
He's wondering why everyone keeps playing, and he realizes, oh, yeah,
I'm in the NFL, and you know what, you have
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to tag me down.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
So thank goodness, we were twenty we had a big lead.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
I'm going I hope that is a great teaching moment
for you, I says, because it didn't cost us the game,
but disunderstanding the Unnational Football League, you know you got
you gotta be tagged down. And I think for Kato
Johnson going back there seeing the ball going over his head,
he see he realized he didn't touch it. He went
into the end zone. So it's just gonna be a
touch back, no catob it's the NFL. You gotta jump
(29:21):
on it. So I don't think anyone felt worse about
that he did. It's a teaching moment that unfortunately came
at a very bad time in the game. But you know,
that is kind of the National Football League. I think
Mike Tomplin said the best yesterday that you know, the
week before they get a fumble on a putt return
and they end up going in and scoring and getting
to win, and yesterday they have a blunder in the
kicking game again. And so the kicking game, I thought
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these first two weeks have been very instrumental in football games.
And you're starting to see the kickoff now coming back
into play.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
So in the.
Speaker 9 (29:52):
Past I think we probably have kept players because we
weren't thinking about special teams, not much coverage. Well, you
start going to start thinking about it. Right now and
the kickers. We see him miss some points. Then we
see a sixty four yarder at the end of regulation,
followed up by another one at the end of overtime.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
So the kicking game has played a big part these
first two weeks.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
How a whare are you in the moment of yelling
at a player when you know everything's televised, there's a
camera on you constantly. But you know you saw this
in the Jacksonville game yesterday with coaching quarterback when you coached,
How aware were you?
Speaker 9 (30:26):
I don't think I didn't want to be aware. It's
an emotional game. I think the biggest thing they understood
with me is I wanted to be able to address
it at the moment, and if I felt at times
that I need to be the common storm, which means
there's too much hecticness going around. I was the calm,
but sometimes I needed to be the storm. I felt
like we're sleepwalking out there. I'm going to start getting
the people's faces and start waking them up, I said,
(30:48):
Because so it really is to me that job at
the head coach, you kind of gauge where your football
team is and I think at the same time know
who the players are. There's some guys I think it's
okay to jump outside. No, it's not okay. They'll never
be okay. Pre snap penalty me is a lack of
focus that you have on your football team, and that's
totally unacceptable. You know, and taking care of the football.
(31:08):
Sometimes those things happen. We see more punch outs now.
I talked about that yesterday in our show, is you
know the peanut punch that Charles Tillman punch out had
become very instrumental, and so protecting the football in space
is very very critical. Protecting the football overall is critical.
Pre snap penalty is unacceptable. So I think it's who
you are and who you're with. But also if you're
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going to yell at that personation, you pat him on
the back too. When they play, they have a good play.
So I just think and making sure they know where
they stand with you, and you make sure you know
where you stand with them, and make sure you know
who the player is.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Bill Kauer, hall of Famer and analyst for the NFL
Today on CBS, the Tush push prominent yesterday. And I
don't know if you've changed your opinion one way or another.
But I brought up the Dean Blandino during the broadcast
said that he's given up on this. He doesn't know
how you can officiate this play.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
Your thoughts, well, oh, I've been against the play for
two years and made my feelings quite known. It's not
a football play. It's a scrum, you know. And they
had that rugby, Dan, you know what they didn't Rugby,
They eliminated the scrump. They took it out because it
wasn't a safe play, but we keep it in. The
NFL makes sense of that one. They got rid of
it because of the years, So we're gonna have to
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wait for some kind of catastrophic injury to change it.
I don't think it's a good looking play. I know
that Philadelphia is good at It has nothing to do
with the Philadelphia Eagles for me. But you know, I
think you saw that play yesterday. How many times did
we see? It's because of our technology today that they're
leaving before the balls even snapped. So I mean, I
don't know how we can somehow look at that play
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and understand that it's an injury waiting to happen. I
think personally, and it doesn't even a good looking play
and pushing people down the field. When do you stop
the push? And I think it makes it very hard
for officials to understand, you know, at what point is
to play over with with with this play.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
So I don't know.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
So I just I feel like it's we're gonna have
to get more information. There's two votes away from being
eliminated in the league meeting a year ago. We'll see
where it is a year from now. But I just,
I mean, I think it's a dangerous play. I know
there's not been any data to support that, but I
don't even think it's a good looking play. Listen, you
want to do the quarterback snake, then do what bart
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Star did with Jerry Kramer. Run over your good offensive
Wiman and a frozen Tundra. I'm not taking away the
quarterback snake. Love the quarterback sneak, but not the touch push.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Come on, yeah, I think Philadelphia would still be almost
as successful given Jalen Hurts. There's no quarterback built like
Jalen Hurds. I don't like the people behind Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I don't like that aspect of it. But I do
think there's an out, no coach, and that is that
you can't officiate this. You know, you're you're just somebody
in the neutral zone. Did somebody jump? But like there's
where do you spot the ball? There's language in here
now that I think because you don't have the injury data,
now the NFL can say we just can't officiate this correctly.
Speaker 9 (34:10):
I don't I listen, please go on the platform. I'm
supporting you one, I agree with you on multiple levels.
And I also to go back to another thing then
I think, I go say this, when is the scrum over?
And now to take that scrum down the field. And
now you're going to get players who are so used
to pushing the other players when you're in space. That
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is a safety issue that's involved with that as well.
So I mean, pushing players. Why can't we push on defense?
Why is it just the offensive guys get to push?
I mean, so it's almost an unfair legality to the
play like this. So, I mean, it's just it's so
one sided. It's not a pretty play. It's not a
strategical play at all either. I think football is a
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string game of strategy, and I again, I'm not trying
to get rid of of the quarterback sneaking. There's a
certain art to the quarterback sneak.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
And I agree with you. Jail hurts to be good
at it.
Speaker 9 (35:03):
He takes a step back, He's always having a feel
for where they try to to to sit there and
take away this gap. He'll take it one gap wider.
And so there is an art. I mean, we talked.
We used to practice a quarterback sneak all the time
with Cordell Stewart. Ben Roethlisberger a big guy, and so
there's a degree of hesitancy that you have to have
with the quarterback sneak. But to have guys push you
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from behind and get that line up we saw yesterday
like a b formation, like a flock of geese get
ready to take off one south and something.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
I don't know, it's just it's just it's just I
don't know. I don't like the look of it.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
I don't think it's a safe play and I don't
think it's strategical in any manner.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Well, you had the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
They got penalized for leverage yesterday on that field goal.
They are not allowed to push up the middle, and
I gets I know that's a tough penalty to call.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
It's a tough penalty to call.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
It was the correct call, And again, you look at
some of these things that are being at that time,
I mean at the game that was won, literally taken
away from him just because of an oversight. I mean, right, really,
here's a guy never even made a sixty yarders, so
you're going out there, he's.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Already beyond what He's never made.
Speaker 9 (36:12):
One that far, So why you even put yourself in
that situation where you'd even have it to be misinterpreted?
So you know, again, I'm sure that's one Sean probably
feels like he would have had back too, is you
know they get kidd and not just the penalty itself,
but fifteen yards I mean, okay, I mean I leverage
like that, Come on, maybe five yards okay, at least
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fifteen yards is pretty severe.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I'm wondering, if you're the Bengals with Joe Burrow now
out for three months, do you reach out to the
Falcons for Kirk Cousins? Would you reach out to Derek Carr,
who last week said on the show not officially retired
if somebody called him, maybe, But at what point do
you go Is Jake Browning good enough with the Bengals
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or do we go out and get a better quarterback.
Speaker 9 (37:00):
Oh, I think Jake Browning is going to be the
guy right now. But I agree with you. I think
Kirk Cousins. I watched him last night sitting there with
Michael Pennix where he's at, and I know that, you know,
having him as a backup right now for the Falcons
is something that you may have to give up something.
But listen, I think the Cincinnati Bengals said they're all in.
They were all in when he signed to Higgins, They're
all in when he made that deal with Trey Hendrickson
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to get him to come into play this year. He's
played his butt off his first two weeks, so I
just think they have to look at a backup playing.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
I think Nate Browning is the guy. He knows that offense.
Speaker 9 (37:30):
Zach Taylor, I think has done a great job with
his team getting them ready to play in the first
two weeks.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
But you know, three.
Speaker 9 (37:36):
Months is a long period of time and I would
hate to jeopardize that and not having a quality backup
behind it. So I don't know where Derek carry is
with his shoulder I think was just mentioned. I think
the best guy out there right now is a guy
like Kirk Cousins, because I think he is now here
moved from his injury. He looked like a guy who's
very anty to play on that sideline. Last night he
was watching Michael pennicks Man. He's like, you know, that's
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my ex team out there, So I'd be a guy
I would have on my radar.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Good to talk to you. I didn't get you fired
up this Monday like I have before.
Speaker 9 (38:06):
No, no, no, no, you always get me fired out.
I was fired enough to come on here. And we
didn't even talking about the games tonight. I wanted to talk.
I mean, let's just talk about one second, Okay, the
infamous Jim Harball going against Pete Carroll. This goes so
far back. Jim Harball was at Stanford, Pete Carroll was
at USC. They used to recruit against each other. Then
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they go to the NFC West, Pete Carroll goes to Seattle,
Jim Harball goes to San Francisco, and they used to
compete against each other. And here they are tonight. Here
they are the Vegas going against the Chargers winner first
place in the AFC West. You got to love this scenario,
the game within the game. We're gonna have that tonight
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and this is watched. Those two guys on the sideline,
there's a genuine dislike for each other, a genuine respect
for each other.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
But this is deep, deep rooted.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Did you have have one of those rivalries with a coach?
Speaker 9 (39:04):
Oh, I didn't like the Baltimore Ravens when I coached,
and that was with Brian Billing.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Did you know like Brian Billick?
Speaker 5 (39:14):
Well, he was a part of Baltimore raven.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
I'm that would be a yes.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
I just it was. He was a Raven.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But he was a genius. He was called a genius.
You probably were bothered by that that he was an
offensive genius.
Speaker 9 (39:32):
You know, you want to get you started this, that's
let it go.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
It's a nice Monday, a lot of good wins. We're
not going down his staff. That's another day. An okay,
all right, we'll pick up on that.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Why don't you just take a walk in Central Park
and cool down a little bit.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Okay, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. Thank you.
Speaker 9 (39:53):
So, I know, I guess I kind of I guess
I kind of brought that coaching thing up?
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Did I yes?
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yes? Okay, my bad all Thank you coach, good to
talk to you. That's Bill Kauer.
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