September 23, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan welcomes Los Angeles Chargers HC Jim Harbaugh to the show to talk about his Bolts starting 3-0. And former NFL QB Ryan Fitzpatrick drops by to weigh in on Week 3 of the NFL season and the quarterback play throughout the league so far this season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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DP show Lions over the Ravens thirty eight thirty big
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fumble by the Ravens. Deep into that game with Dereck Henry.
You know, in that moment, Troy Aikman was an analyst
calling the game, but he acted like a quarterback because
he's saying, hey, Derrick Henry is throwing his helmet, he's
mad on the sidelines, and Troy's like, hey, you got
to get your act together. It's almost as if he
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was the quarterback talking to him. We got to go
back out there. And I thought it was a great
moment there with Troy that it was analyzing something. But
also in the moment, if that's my running back, if
that was Emmett and he's acting like that, I'd say, hey,
we got to get back out there. The game is
not lost yet. But give credit to the Lions. They're
now two and one. They got Cincinnati and Cleveland coming up. Meanwhile,
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the Ravens at one and two, they're at Kansas City
with their next game. All right, poll question, then we'll
bring in coach Harbaugh seton.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, we got a couple of them up there right
now in better shape right now, Ravens or the Chiefs.
The Ravens have about eighty percent of that vote, which
is interesting. Tier one of the NFC right now is
just between the Eagles and Lions. Then there's everybody else
and do you read books? No, currently has forty three percent.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Of that vote.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
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Patrick Show. Undefeated Chargers. They've beaten the Chiefs, the Raiders, Broncos,
they got the Giants coming up, and then after that
they've got one Washingtonis Jim Harbaugh back on the show.
Who has it better than we do? Nobody? I coach
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Rny Dan, I'm doing great. I'm doing great. How about you?
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Yeah? Doing really really good? Really uh really happy. I'm
happy about our team, our organization. There's a there's a
never give up, never give in personality, and that that
bodes well for Uh. That's the kind of hearts champions
are made up. Makes me happy.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
How long will you wait to call your brother after
that game last night?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
We've already texted, so Uh, I'm sure we'll talk sometime today.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
What do you add? Does he ask you or do
you volunteer?
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Oh? I think? Uh, I don't know. I don't know
how this one will go up. I mean, uh, he
saw a lot more than I did, and Uh, it
was a heck of a football game. I'm sure he knows,
he knows what his team needs this.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Uh. Punching the ball out? Do you teach that to
your players?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Yeah? Punch it out, rip it out? I mean, lawn more.
Uh that that ball. Everybody's going for that ball.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
But when it seems like Peanut Tillman might have been
the first who was punching the ball out, but you know,
we're not. There's certain guys that are hard to tackle.
But is that the philosophy Derrick Henry is tough to
bring down to? Why not go for the most vulnerable
part of him? And that's the ball.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yeah. I think you're bring up a great point. I mean,
if if something if mister Tilman can do it, then
another man can do it once. You know, once somebody
sees somebody do something that hasn't been done. Uh, then uh,
you know, see if I can do it that way.
You know, that's the Uh, that's the mentality there. It's
it's it's across sports.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
But you're teaching that to your guys.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Yeah, And and you teach every week. You show the
you show the ways that that the ball is coming
out and getting loose, you know, in the in the
running game from non aggressive angles. Uh, you know, the
quarterbacks the most at risk, and the ball carrier. You know,
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the different ways that the that the ball comes out.
You show it every single week, you know, for the
for the sake of the ball carrier and uh, for
the sake of those trying to get it out. And
you know, in the in the in the passing game,
in the interception turnovers, uh, tips and overs. Throws are
still the leading cause of turnovers in America.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
The Chiefs, Raiders, and Broncos. You've beaten them. Which out
of those three was your best game so far?
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Oh, that's Uh, it's it's it's like your kids. You'll, yeah,
I mean the wins, you'll you love them all. Uh,
you know, you love them all the same.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Weather has to be one where you're you know, you
say that.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
You know, you say that as a parent. There's gotta
there's gotta be a favorite.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
There's gotta be one that I have favorite kids, Jim.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
The division wins definitely, Uh, the division wins, you know,
the ones that that that it seems are better. You
know that you're you're you're right, there's there's some that
are better and those are the division wins.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Are you preparing for Jackson Dart to play this weekend
with the Giants?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Uh, we'll prepare for for the Giants. Uh. And in
both you know, both both quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
How do you prepare you prepared differently for Russell Wilson
and Jackson Dart?
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Uh, I mean somewhat, I mean some of the the uh,
I mean just off the you know, just off off
of what we've seen. I mean, Uh, Jackson Dart, the
quarterback driven kind of game is uh, you know, would
be more in play.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Talking to Jim Harball, they got the Giants coming up
on Sunday, the Herbert throw across his body As a
former quarterback, how would you describe that throw? And was
was that scripted to throw it that way?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
No, that was that was a that was an extended
play Justin. It was extending the play out of the pocket.
I do have the I do have the adjective to
describe it impossible. It was an impossible throw and it
was an impossible catch by Keenan Allen both both Justin
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to his left, a quarterback to his left. You know,
as he's throwing it, he you know, runs into the
arm of the defender. So he's really got about that
much extension. And then and then it was just then
it's just risk. You know, it's that much momentum plus
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wrist and you know that throws the ball, what was
it twenty five thirty yards? Uh? As the crow flies
there and maybe thirty five Uh with a defender covering Keenan. Uh,
you know, perfectly placed. And you know John Justin's Justin's throws, Uh,
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you know they never die at the at the receiver.
It's uh, it's got that it gets when I catch
his ball pregame, it's like none I've ever caught before
because when it's halfway to me, I know I better
get my hands up and especially protect my face because
it just at the end it I think baseball pitchers
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call it hop right when it's uh, when it speeds
up at the end. And you know there's quarterbacks that
that when they throw, I mean it'll hop and as
it's and go up. But his will hop and go
go straight on the line that it's going. It's it's uh.
It's different than than anything ever seen. Pussy gets hit
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in the head as he's throwing it. It was all
of that impossible.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Was it a good throw though? If it like were
you on the sidelines going no, no, yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
No, I've really learned not to not to do that anymore.
There was, there was, there's times, there's time in practice.
There there's been times in games where I said, no
that he's you know, the guy's covered, but he's got
the ability. And we tell our receivers everybody running, everybody alert,
even if you think you're covered. You know our quarterback
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Ken puts the ball to a spot you know he
can hit the bull's eye. It's to me, I think
of it as a handoff. You know, it's a thirty
five yard handoff or it's a forty five yard handoff.
I've seen it be a fifty five yard handoff, and
that's what a forty yard handoff looks like. You know,
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with the way he can he can put the ball
right on, right on the bullseye.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
We had him on preseason and I asked him if
he would incorporate more running, kind of like Josh Allen,
because I when I saw him in college, certainly in
the Rose Bowl, like, he looked really impressive running. And
Steve Young comes on the show and he says, there's
so much you know, real estate out there. If you
you got to take advantage of that. You got to
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use your legs and go get that. Is that being
incorporated into the game plan more this year than it
has been before?
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Well, it has, It definitely has. Uh you know, Justin's
making making so many plays that way. He's he's always
really been that kind of quarterback. You know, there's there's
nothing he's not good at it. There's an old saying.
I don't know when I heard it, but uh, you
know that God doesn't give anybody a monopoly, Uh maybe
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except justin her uh And in all seriousness, Uh. And
he has people ask me, you know, what was he
improved on this year? You know, he's he's he's just
always been great since I've been here day one. You know,
it's it's like watching greatness every single day. What has
he improved on? He did get a mile an hour
faster this this off season week. Previously had clocked him
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on a GPS at twenty point seven miles per hour,
and then in training camp he uh, he took off
ran and we got him at twenty one point six
miles an hour, so almost a full second uh faster.
And he works on it every day. His training is
is elite. He's he's conditioning, he's he's uh, it's speed training,
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and he has he has gotten faster and uh and
it's and it's showing up in the games.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
When did you realize there was unfinished business in the NFL?
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Uh? When when I walked off the field at the
at the Super Bowl in twenty and thirteen, you know,
I was really proud of our team and what they
did to get there and h and how they played
in the game, and felt like, you know, there'll be
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another day. Almost almost like who is the actor? Who's
the actor? In the field of dreams Burt Lancaster when
he said he got his one at bat in the
major leagues and he walked off the field and thought
there would be other days. But then there weren't any
other days. So yeah, I thought there would be other days,
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and then for a long time that there wasn't any
other days. And now with the Chargers, with the team
that that has the license and the ability to do it,
I'm I'm feeling that there's going to be another day.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
How's your dad?
Speaker 5 (12:03):
He's good, Thanks for asking. He's Uh, he was. He
was in Baltimore the last the last two weeks and
UH so been Uh been talking with him Texan Texan
this morning. I haven't talked yet, but uh looking looking
forward to that. We we uh he my mom, we
we talk about every other day. So uh get I
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need to talk to my dad today, see what Uh
see how he's doing. Get his football perspective of the
game last night and our game and uh and my
son Jay's game. Uh Jay harball? How about the Uh
you talk about the trifecta. He's the special teams coach
coordinator for the Seattle Seahawks and they had a ninety
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five yard kickoff return for a touchdown I think the
longest maybe in Seahawks history and maybe in the first
in the last ten years they had they had oh
that was a pump return return ninety five and then
a kickoff return for sixty five and and they blocked
the field goal. I mean, that's that's the trifecta right there.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Man, Well, really didn't John John started out with special teams,
didn't he dead?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Yeah, sure did. Uh. And it's uh, it's it's it's
it's the coach that uh probably I mean coaches everybody. Uh.
And James Jay's a great coach. We were together at
Michigan for for seven years. And Uh, I feel like,
you know, like in a proud way, in the in
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the in the in the best kind of way that uh,
you know, I'm here and he's kind of like he's going,
he's going above me, he's getting he's better, and I mean,
uh getting better and is better and and just ascending
in every way as a as a coach and a dad.
You know. Just one of my favorite coaches that I've
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ever ever worked with or been around. Uh. And that's
what we want for our kids, right We want him
to be. We want them to be better than us.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Look at that smile on your face. Look at you
brown dad. Do you think your dad could take me?
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Take you? Yeah, in a fight? Yeah, I don't know.
That's always the same may That's a that's never really
resonated with me, Like, who could? Who could? Why would
you want to fight? Let's let's be friends. We'll make
an enemy. You can make a friend.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Maybe arm wrestled.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
I mean, I don't know't.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
You know what he came hey, when he came in
that name.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
You're a really good shape. He's a really good shape.
I don't know that'd be uh.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, but he's eighty six. He's eighty six.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
It's a pretty good shape.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. He could probably
take me. So, but you're right, we'll.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Just be if I want to. I would want to
tangle with him, did you ever? He's one of the
My great grandfather Harball was a was a your boxer,
a little thunder. And then my grandfather, Bill Harball was
a boxer. He had eight eight fights, eight or nine fights.
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And my dad was never a boxer. But my dad
can handle himself that way, and I've seen it I've seen.
Maybe that's the story for another I've witnessed to take
care of himself.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, I know that. I don't deny that. Congrats on
the start. Great to catch up with you, Thanks for
joining us.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Thanks dad, thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That's coach coach Harball. Yeah, his dad came in and
he was like Patrick Harma and he just put this
big hand out there. That was the introduction. Oh yeah,
got a big kick at Patrick Harva like a coach. Yeah,
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Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm looking at the first nine seasons for Jared Goff
and Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford first nine years two hundred
and sixteen touchdowns, one hundred and eighteen picks, and zero
playoff wins, one Pro Bowl. Jared Goff first nine seasons,
two hundred and twenty eight touchdowns, ninety five picks, four
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Pro Bowls, four playoff wins, and a Super Bowl appearance.
But it helps going to a better franchise. And Matthew
Stafford always got extra credit because he was playing for
the Lions, while Jared Goff probably got less credit because
he was playing with better teams. Yeah, Pauling, this is obvious,
but we talked about this a year or so ago.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
If Jared Goff gets a Super Bowl victory with the Lions,
that's enough for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Let's bring in Ryan Fitzpatrick, NFL on Prime Video Thursday night.
Thursday Night, it's the Seahawks and the Cardinals. Do you
agree with that? Jared Goff a super Bowl win makes
him a Hall of Fame quarterback?
Speaker 9 (18:20):
Wow, we're starting with the tough questions early. I think
so because it's Detroit as well. You know, I think
there's a lot of fan bases that would go crazy
for that.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
But Buffalo and.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
Detroit, if there's a quarterback could bring a Super Bowl
to either of those I think they'll end up in
the Hall of Fame. So it's been amazing what Jared
has been able to do in Detroit and now switching
offensive coordinators. You know, we talked about the genius of
Ben Johnson and after the first game against the Packers,
will they be the same ever? Again, I think we
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got that answer. I think they're going to be just fine.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
What do you take away from last night game?
Speaker 9 (19:02):
I come out of that I think the Ravens are
going to be fine, But out of that game so
impressed with Detroit and what Dan Campbell has done there,
the mentality that those guys play with. Really happy for
Kelvin Sheppard to step in at defensive coordinator, the emotion
and the passion that he shows on the sideline.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
But I think Detroit right now.
Speaker 9 (19:24):
A lot of people obviously are going to say the Eagles,
and he got to knock off the Eagles, But I
think the.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Detroits for me are my favorite team in the NFC.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
The Ravens defense, they used to lead with their defense Rye.
That defense was non existent last night. That doesn't concern you.
It does a little bit.
Speaker 9 (19:41):
I mean, if you look to the week before, they
made some big plays, you know, fumble return for a touchdown,
the interception or turned down to the five by Wiggins.
They were missing Matabik last night, they were missing van Ney.
I think we've seen this from the Ravens before, though.
I think we've seen the struggles at the beginning of
the year. I think they're too talented on defense at
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all three levels, are too talented to not figure this
thing out by year's end.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
More concerned about the Chiefs of the Ravens since they
meet each other next week.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
Yeah, I'm more concerned with the Chiefs, and I've been
concerned with the Chiefs for the last few years, and
I've been very wrong.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I think a lot of us have.
Speaker 9 (20:21):
But you know, I think everybody is saying, well, wait,
the Cavalry's coming, Rashie Rice is going to come back.
Worthy's going to be healthy. This offense is going to
get back on track and figure it out. But it
just seems like things are difficult for the Chiefs right
now on offense. And you know, they have a much
better defense statistically than the Ravens do right now. But
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I just think the Ravens are a much better football team,
and I think that'll show up on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
What's it like to go against the defense that you
know is bad.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
It's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It is one of the Cowboys defense. You you know,
there's no pass rusher, secondary, pretty shaky. Like man, you
probably have to hide your giddiness. I think when you
go on the field, don't you.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
I think there's there's two different things as a quarterback.
One is to go into a game known you're gonna
be able to run the ball at will and for
it to actually happen. That's when that's when it's great.
When you can have a relaxing game when you can
get those five and ten yard plays and then a
chunk run here every now and again, and it opens
up the play action. You know, they're having to load
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the box to try to do anything to stop the
run game, and you've got one on ones on the
outside with big advantages.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
That's huge.
Speaker 9 (21:35):
But you know in our Thursday night game, you saw
Miami and the Bills and there was they were running
it at will and then something happened at halftime and
there was just a lowell And so it's the beauty
of the NFL where you just you there's professionals on
both sides of the balls, And I think that the
Cleveland Packers game reminded of it of that this weekend
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where it's like, we think we have this whole thing
figure out, and the Chiefs are falling down and the
Ravens are no good anymore, and all of a sudden,
you know, the Browns go ahead and beat the Packers,
who were the Super Bowl favorites two weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
How often did you go to the line of scrimmage
and you go touchdown before the play?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
So I'll tell you I was.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
I had the privilege of playing with a lot of
great receivers. So if I could walk up and see
a one on one matchup with a go ball and
I had Mike Evans on the outside, or I had
a quarters look and I had Deshaun Jackson on a post.
DeAndre Hopkins was that way too, And then my twenty
fifteen season with Brandon Marshall, I did that quite a
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bit and he got in the end zone quite a bit.
So I think a lot of that is based on
matchups and the guys that you have on the outside.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
How is quarterbacking changed in the last ten or fifteen years.
Speaker 9 (22:53):
It's changed a lot and I think, you know, part
of it is protecting the quarterbacks. Less big hits easier,
the easier for these guys to stay healthy.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
It's still obviously gonna hurt when you get hit.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
The great shot of Miles Garrett hitting Joe Burrow in
the in the first week, where it's like, so you
want to play quarterback in the end.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
This is what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
But these rules have helped quarterbacks stay healthy and stay
on the field. And I think the second thing that's
a big difference.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
You've seen completion percentage jump way up, and you know,
the air yards on these passes. A lot of these
offenses now getting the ball out on the perimeter, having
those plays where it's a swing pass and there's a
full back or a tight end as the lead blocker
out there.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
A lot of this is an extension of the run game.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
And so I think we're seeing a lot of quick passes,
a lot of short passes, and I don't know that
it's necessarily changing for the better. I like some of
that other stuff, and that's why you like teams like
Detroit and like to watch the play action and Jared
Goff throw it down the field and on fourth and
two the aman Rah play action, you know, trust in
him to make that throw.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
But it's changed.
Speaker 9 (24:01):
I don't know that it's changed for the better in
terms of all the quick short passes.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I don't know why more quarterbacks don't start under center
that it feels like you can run play action, like
you can hide a little bit more. It's more deception
there instead of being in the gun. Help me understand
why we don't see more of that.
Speaker 9 (24:21):
Yeah, I just think because of the way that it's
being taught from a very young age now and in college.
You know, it's all about you have guys coming into
the league that haven't really had to be in a
huddle and haven't really had to bark out a cadence
or a snap count. But that kind of stuff it's
easier to do. You like the spread out, wide open
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stuff in college, and so a lot of that occurs
in shotgun.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
But it's a big difference.
Speaker 9 (24:48):
It's a big change for some of these guys coming
into the NFL, and it is a huge advantage to
be able to get under center.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
You've got the Seahawks and the Cardinals on Thursday night.
I thought Marvin Harrison Junior was thousand year yards one
hundred catches. This is going to be easy. What the
hell has happened? I think part of it is a
confidence issue. You know, you saw in the last game
he had two big drops. One of them ended up
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not cost him because they had a past interference calling
the end zone. But just you know, stuff plays that
he's probably made since he was five years old, and
so that happens to guys sometimes where you just you
fall out of confidence. So I think it's the job
of Jonathan Gannon, especially the job of Kyler Murray, to
try to bring him up out of this and to
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breathe life and breathe confidence in him because he is
He's a good player. I think the biggest knock on
him so far, and I live in Arizona, so I've
been hearing a lot of it is, you know, his
inability to make that contested catch and to do it consistently.
He obviously dropped a couple where he was opened this
last weekend, but going up and being strong and using
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your hands, And I think that the hard thing is
the comparison is Larry Fitzgerald, Right, he comes in and
they want him to be the franchise guy, like Larry
was in the face of the franchise for seventeen years
and he hasn't lived up to that billing yet.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
But he has the talent.
Speaker 9 (26:10):
So it's still early and I hope he can he
can make himself come out of the scene and gain
some confidence back.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Would you put Jackson Dart in there for a home
game against a better team, the Chargers, or on the
road against a worse team the Saints. See, I've always
had it circled, So we have we have Week six.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I think let's see one, two, three, four.
Speaker 9 (26:31):
Yeah, our Week six game is the Giants, which is
a Thursday night, And so being a guy that has
started as the bridge quarterback for Plunket, you look at
the bye week first of all, and I think their
bye week is week fourteen, so it wasn't gonna happen then.
And then you look at the Thursday night games. We
can get a couple extra days of practice. So I've
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always had after our game circled, Week seven would be
his first start. You know, It's it's difficult obviously to
play this position, and Russell Wilson there's a lot of
things that he's going to try to cover up in
terms of maybe the line play, the lack of threats
on the outside, the running backs, whatever it is. It's
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nice for Jackson Dark to be able to sit and
kind of watch him operate a little bit and get
beat up. Their schedule is really tough, so he'll be
in there soon though, and I think there's a lot
of excitement around him. We were able to do his
preseason game and what he will bring is a little
bit more mobility.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
To that position.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
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you guys chopping it up, telling stories, giving dad energy there.
How much fun has that been? It's been a lot
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Speaker 9 (27:47):
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And Andrew Whitworth and irare teammates way back in seven
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But we love it.
Speaker 9 (28:06):
We just had Dion Dawkins on yesterday and to be
able to sit down and talk with some of these guys,
some of them we have forged friendships with already, and
some of them just really getting to know for the
first time, and Big Schnow was one of those guys.
But what a character he is and what a moment
he's having with the Buffalo Bills, and he's kind of
seen it all the last eight years with that franchise,
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but he's been with Josh from the beginning, So it
was cool to see and listen to some of those
stories with.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
The good to talk to you have fun on Thursday.
Great to catch up with you again.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Thanks Dan.
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It's Ryan Fitzpatrick. It's fits in Wit a Wave original
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They got Seahawks Cardinals on Thursday Night. Jake and Colorado.
Hi Jake, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Hey?
Speaker 10 (28:56):
DP, recent inductee to the DDC Club I learned to
call in seat. Made a comment earlier on your show
being that one of the or the best thing you
do is your interviews, and that's really what you guys
focus on. Even when I'm missing the show for work
and other reasons, I always go back and listen to
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the interviews. I've been introduced to so many guys that
I had no idea even existed in the entertainment World
and Professional World, and one of which was an old
interview you did with Burt Reynolds brought that committee ten
twelve years ago. Yeah, he was a My dad was
a huge fan of his and I just remember I
was drawing a bathroom at that time and I just
(29:38):
sat down and just listened to the interview and listened
to this guy I'd seen on the screen for years,
and you've brought out the person who he was. Just fantastic.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Well, I hope that my audience after this many years,
this many interviews, trust me, if I have somebody on
that maybe you're not familiar with, because I do think
of you if you're watching or you're listening in your car,
are you interested in this? Or this is why you
should be interested in this? And that's the fun part
of it. And you know, we kind of look at
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all different walks of life when it comes to this
that you know, is there a movie, is their music?
Is it just sports? And kind of expand everybody's horizon
there and also give you an idea of what interests
me when we have people on because I don't have
a boss, which is the beauty of this, and we
(30:32):
just talk about what we're interested in, and there are
days when you know there's not much to be interested in,
and that's the real challenge. I go back to COVID
and I think COVID is the proudest time of this show,
even given everything we were going through. We had to
come up with ideas, we had to come up with guests,
and we did it, and we got to work through
(30:55):
the entire COVID period. And that's what this is about,
getting along with each other, having ideas, trying to entertain you,
pequk your interest. And that's the challenge every single That's
why I say every day is a super Bowl because
during the NFL season it's easy to do this job.
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It's the other days, other time periods that you go,
what are we talking about today and what is of
interest to you or should be And that's the fun
part of it. But the interviews get you know, their
strategy to it. I take them very seriously and not
everybody comes out, you know, with a great interview, but
(31:39):
you know, our approach is the same, ask interesting questions,
but better yet, get interesting answers. That's the key. Let's
see Jordan in Peoria. Hi, Jordan, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (31:54):
Dan, thanks for having me on again. You've been covering
the NFL for a long time, and I've seen a
lot quarterbacks kind of come and go. And when you're
looking at like young quarterbacks, what traits do you look
for that usually tell you if they'll be successful And
kind of based on that, what have you seen so
far from Caleb Williams And do you think he shows
those traits? And I apologize, I'm a Chicago Bears apologist,
(32:15):
so I had to have to get a Bear's question
in today.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
That's okay, that's okay. I want people to be patient.
We're not in today's sports society. Everybody's got to have
a hot take. They want to be the first to say.
I mean Paul Feinbaum, who have great respect for, and
all of a sudden, he's slobbern all over Arch Manning.
Now this is the best prospects since Tim Tebow. And
I'm like, oh, don't do this, don't do this, and
(32:39):
then he had to walk that back. It's we don't
have to have an opinion right away, but when you
do have an opinion, then have it based on something.
And that's what I want people to do with Caleb Williams.
Or Bryce Young c J. Stroud. You get about a
three year window and then all of a sudden, we
decide if you're going to get a contract or you're
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going to be playing for somebody else and you'll be
a backup for a little while. That seems to be
the progress here, and Caleb has the talent. I don't
know how well he was coached at usc Is last year.
I don't know if he wanted to be coached. I
don't know if Lincoln Riley was able to coach him
(33:22):
to get him ready for the NFL. Because when he's bad,
he's playing like he did at usc which was good
enough for college. It's just not good enough for the NFL.
And he can make all the throws we've seen that.
I still think he and Ben Johnson can make some
magic there. You had people already moving on this will
(33:42):
never work out. I mean people I respect who are saying, oh,
this won't work out. If Caleb wants to be coached,
then he can be great. And that may sound strange,
but these guys are told at a young age how
great they are, and why am I listening to you?
And I'm going to do it my way. The great
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Joe Montana said, seventy five percent of my success is
because of Bill Walsh because he listened to him. That's
the key. Are you going to listen to somebody? Are
you going to be coached? That's the most important part
of all of this. And not everybody wants to be
coached or coached hard. Well, imagine your entire life. You've
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been great, You've been told you're great, and then all
of a sudden, you're not great. And the trait the
biggest thing. I like to see what happens when something
goes wrong. That tells me a whole lot about that quarterback. Well,
take a break, more phone calls coming up back after this.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
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Speaker 2 (34:50):
We are going to celebrate the thirty first anniversary of
Shawshank Redemption. At the top of the hour, I want
to bring back a portion of my interview with Tim Robbins,
Andy Dufrayin and the fascination with this movie that wasn't
a box office hit when it came out, but now
it feels like it's impossible to not have seen at
(35:11):
least a portion of Shawshank Redemption. I watched it last
week again and I noticed something I didn't notice before.
When Red was out there getting the money underneath the
tree and he has this slight, little like quick head turn,
hoping nobody is seeing him out there when he gets
this money, and he's in the middle of nowhere, when's
(35:36):
he Maine? And then he gets that money all of
a sudden, And they changed the ending because I think
it was going to end with him on the bus
going to see Tim Robbins, and then they said no, no, no,
you got to show those two. And then they got
together in Saint Lucia and with Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman.
(35:57):
But we'll bring back Tim Robbins. We had an interview
with him. I don't know how long ago that was,
probably you know, seven or eight years ago, but he
was really good on that movie and how much money
they didn't make. So we'll have that for you coming up.
Sergeant in Utah, Hi, sergeant, what's on your mind?
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
DPA?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Doing good, good, good six five?
Speaker 12 (36:21):
First time long time.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Hey.
Speaker 12 (36:24):
I wanted to I wanted to bring up your your
interviews and your your questions. Been listening for a long
time and being in law enforcement, I'm an expert in interview,
in interrogation, and I teach classes to law enforcement to civilians,
and I use one of your interviews back when Russell Wilson,
Junior the third was on the Seahawks and you were
(36:47):
talking about between Pete Carroll and his being upset about
an offensive line, what he was not saying, when he
wasn't saying anything, but what his body was saying, how
he was saying things.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I've used that.
Speaker 12 (37:01):
Interview for years because we all knew how upset Russell
Wilson was and the way you described it afterwards, he
took his body language, how you said things, when he
said things, or when he was saying things, all the
unsaid things, we were incredible things that you.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
All picked up on. And that's something that I do
every day.
Speaker 12 (37:21):
So it's always impressed me of how you interview these
you know, these professionals and get everything out of them
that you can.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Well, thank you, sergeant, and be safe out there. They'll
ask open ended questions. But this started at the Super
Bowl when I saw Russ sitting next to the Commissioner
and Brady and Mahomes were playing in the game, and
Russ looked miserable, and I said to Fritzie, I said,
see if Russell join us after the super Bowl. And
(37:51):
we were supposed to have him on that Friday of
super Bowl Week, and then he was there for Walter
Payton Man of the Year, and then I said, get
him on getting on he's he's sitting on something. And
you know Russ famously, you know, like a lot of
ath Derek Jeter, you know, they kind of look like
or sound like they're telling you something. They're not really
telling you anything, but they're very pleasant when they do it.
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And Russ would do that, and this was different, and
I thought, gosh, if I can I just need an
opening here, and I viewed him as an opponent I did.
I was like, I'm going to I got to figure
this out because he's got something he wants to he
wants to say something. I just don't know if he's
(38:33):
going to go into that Russell Wilson mode. And if
he does, then I'm not getting anything. And then all
of a sudden he cracked a little bit, or he
was willing to crack, and then all of a sudden
it was, you know, either me or coach and then yeah,
(38:54):
all of a sudden, boom, it detonated. That changed a
whole lot, whole lot. But thank you for the phone call,
Sergeant Matt in Ohio. Hi Matt, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 6 (39:07):
Hey guys, thanks for having me on again. I had
just two things real quick. The first one is you
caught me off guard with Shawshank Redemption, because that's my
favorite all time movie and I'll never forget the scene
where it's at the very end and Morgan Freeman is
walking towards mister Dufrain and he can just sense he's
(39:30):
there and kind of turns around and looks. I don't
know if from remember that part. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it
was just it was. And then the other thing is
I just want to echo a lot of the great
interviews that people have been talking about.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
And I've noticed that a lot of.
Speaker 6 (39:49):
Some of the better interviews you have are backup quarterbacks,
and they always be a bad rap, but I feel
like they get to see a lot of the game
and you know, not being caught up right in the
mix of it, and they can provide some of the
best info I think. I think that's been some of
your best interviews personally.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Well, thank you, Matt. They do see the game, they're
involved in the game, and they're usually not interviewed about
the game, and I love the fact that you can
have them on Like Chase Daniel is one of my
favorite interviews. But it's because he does his homework and
I can ask him what do you see and he
can tell me and then you know, and tell you
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the audience and it makes us smarter. And that's always
what's great. When you get those quarterbacks who are willing
to tell stories, and they're going to be able to
tell you something that we don't see because it's so subtle.
I mean even I know, I brought up the what
do you hear when you're in the pocket to Steve Young,
and I asked David and Derek Carr because I'm curious
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about that you've got chaos around you. And Steve Young
yesterday said, you know, I would hear Reggie White just screaming,
but he said, for the most part, it's like this
kind of white noise that's there for us. It looks like,
oh my gosh, people are yelling and screaming and saying
stuff and it's got to be chaos in there. But
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these guys can be in a vacuum and compartmentalized. And
that's what I find amazing, because we see everything around them.
They can't. They have to stay in the moment there,
all right, coming up. Tim Robbins on Shawshank Redemption thirty
one years later,
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Our.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Two on this Tuesday. Jim Harball the Chargers will stop
by momentarily. Ryan Fitzpatrick, the former NFL quarterback analysts for
NFL on Prime, will stop by as well. Your phone
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show email address dpat Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at
DP show Lions over the Ravens thirty eight thirty big
(00:26):
fumble by the Ravens. Deep into that game with Dereck Henry.
You know, in that moment, Troy Aikman was an analyst
calling the game, but he acted like a quarterback because
he's saying, hey, Derrick Henry is throwing his helmet, he's
mad on the sidelines, and Troy's like, hey, you got
to get your act together. It's almost as if he
(00:46):
was the quarterback talking to him. We got to go
back out there. And I thought it was a great
moment there with Troy that it was analyzing something. But
also in the moment, if that's my running back, if
that was Emmett and he's acting like that, I'd say, hey,
we got to get back out there. The game is
not lost yet. But give credit to the Lions. They're
now two and one. They got Cincinnati and Cleveland coming up. Meanwhile,
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the Ravens at one and two, they're at Kansas City
with their next game. All right, poll question, then we'll
bring in coach Harbaugh seton.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, we got a couple of them up there right
now in better shape right now, Ravens or the Chiefs.
The Ravens have about eighty percent of that vote, which
is interesting. Tier one of the NFC right now is
just between the Eagles and Lions. Then there's everybody else
and do you read books? No, currently has forty three percent.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Of that vote.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
That's an audience after my heart. There merchandise stores open.
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Who has it better than we do? Nobody? I coach
(02:09):
Rny Dan, I'm doing great. I'm doing great. How about you?
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Yeah? Doing really really good? Really uh really happy. I'm
happy about our team, our organization. There's a there's a
never give up, never give in personality, and that that
bodes well for Uh. That's the kind of hearts champions
are made up. Makes me happy.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
How long will you wait to call your brother after
that game last night?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
We've already texted, so Uh, I'm sure we'll talk sometime today.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
What do you add? Does he ask you or do
you volunteer?
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Oh? I think? Uh, I don't know. I don't know
how this one will go up. I mean, uh, he
saw a lot more than I did, and Uh, it
was a heck of a football game. I'm sure he knows,
he knows what his team needs this.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Uh. Punching the ball out? Do you teach that to
your players?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Yeah? Punch it out, rip it out? I mean, lawn more.
Uh that that ball. Everybody's going for that ball.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
But when it seems like Peanut Tillman might have been
the first who was punching the ball out, but you know,
we're not. There's certain guys that are hard to tackle.
But is that the philosophy Derrick Henry is tough to
bring down to? Why not go for the most vulnerable
part of him? And that's the ball.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yeah. I think you're bring up a great point. I mean,
if if something if mister Tilman can do it, then
another man can do it once. You know, once somebody
sees somebody do something that hasn't been done. Uh, then uh,
you know, see if I can do it that way.
You know, that's the Uh, that's the mentality there. It's
it's it's across sports.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
But you're teaching that to your guys.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Yeah, And and you teach every week. You show the
you show the ways that that the ball is coming
out and getting loose, you know, in the in the
running game from non aggressive angles. Uh, you know, the
quarterbacks the most at risk, and the ball carrier. You know,
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the different ways that the that the ball comes out.
You show it every single week, you know, for the
for the sake of the ball carrier and uh, for
the sake of those trying to get it out. And
you know, in the in the in the passing game,
in the interception turnovers, uh, tips and overs. Throws are
still the leading cause of turnovers in America.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
The Chiefs, Raiders, and Broncos. You've beaten them. Which out
of those three was your best game so far?
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Oh, that's Uh, it's it's it's like your kids. You'll, yeah,
I mean the wins, you'll you love them all. Uh,
you know, you love them all the same.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Weather has to be one where you're you know, you
say that.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
You know, you say that as a parent. There's gotta
there's gotta be a favorite.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
There's gotta be one that I have favorite kids, Jim.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
The division wins definitely, Uh, the division wins, you know,
the ones that that that it seems are better. You
know that you're you're you're right, there's there's some that
are better and those are the division wins.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Are you preparing for Jackson Dart to play this weekend
with the Giants?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Uh, we'll prepare for for the Giants. Uh. And in
both you know, both both quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
How do you prepare you prepared differently for Russell Wilson
and Jackson Dart?
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Uh, I mean somewhat, I mean some of the the uh,
I mean just off the you know, just off off
of what we've seen. I mean, Uh, Jackson Dart, the
quarterback driven kind of game is uh, you know, would
be more in play.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Talking to Jim Harball, they got the Giants coming up
on Sunday, the Herbert throw across his body As a
former quarterback, how would you describe that throw? And was
was that scripted to throw it that way?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
No, that was that was a that was an extended
play Justin. It was extending the play out of the pocket.
I do have the I do have the adjective to
describe it impossible. It was an impossible throw and it
was an impossible catch by Keenan Allen both both Justin
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to his left, a quarterback to his left. You know,
as he's throwing it, he you know, runs into the
arm of the defender. So he's really got about that
much extension. And then and then it was just then
it's just risk. You know, it's that much momentum plus
(06:54):
wrist and you know that throws the ball, what was
it twenty five thirty yards? Uh? As the crow flies
there and maybe thirty five Uh with a defender covering Keenan. Uh,
you know, perfectly placed. And you know John Justin's Justin's throws, Uh,
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you know they never die at the at the receiver.
It's uh, it's got that it gets when I catch
his ball pregame, it's like none I've ever caught before
because when it's halfway to me, I know I better
get my hands up and especially protect my face because
it just at the end it I think baseball pitchers
(07:38):
call it hop right when it's uh, when it speeds
up at the end. And you know there's quarterbacks that
that when they throw, I mean it'll hop and as
it's and go up. But his will hop and go
go straight on the line that it's going. It's it's uh.
It's different than than anything ever seen. Pussy gets hit
(08:01):
in the head as he's throwing it. It was all
of that impossible.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Was it a good throw though? If it like were
you on the sidelines going no, no, yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
No, I've really learned not to not to do that anymore.
There was, there was, there's times, there's time in practice.
There there's been times in games where I said, no
that he's you know, the guy's covered, but he's got
the ability. And we tell our receivers everybody running, everybody alert,
even if you think you're covered. You know our quarterback
(08:42):
Ken puts the ball to a spot you know he
can hit the bull's eye. It's to me, I think
of it as a handoff. You know, it's a thirty
five yard handoff or it's a forty five yard handoff.
I've seen it be a fifty five yard handoff, and
that's what a forty yard handoff looks like. You know,
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with the way he can he can put the ball
right on, right on the bullseye.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
We had him on preseason and I asked him if
he would incorporate more running, kind of like Josh Allen,
because I when I saw him in college, certainly in
the Rose Bowl, like, he looked really impressive running. And
Steve Young comes on the show and he says, there's
so much you know, real estate out there. If you
you got to take advantage of that. You got to
(09:28):
use your legs and go get that. Is that being
incorporated into the game plan more this year than it
has been before?
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Well, it has, It definitely has. Uh you know, Justin's
making making so many plays that way. He's he's always
really been that kind of quarterback. You know, there's there's
nothing he's not good at it. There's an old saying.
I don't know when I heard it, but uh, you
know that God doesn't give anybody a monopoly, Uh maybe
(09:59):
except justin her uh And in all seriousness, Uh. And
he has people ask me, you know, what was he
improved on this year? You know, he's he's he's just
always been great since I've been here day one. You know,
it's it's like watching greatness every single day. What has
he improved on? He did get a mile an hour
faster this this off season week. Previously had clocked him
(10:24):
on a GPS at twenty point seven miles per hour,
and then in training camp he uh, he took off
ran and we got him at twenty one point six
miles an hour, so almost a full second uh faster.
And he works on it every day. His training is
is elite. He's he's conditioning, he's he's uh, it's speed training,
(10:47):
and he has he has gotten faster and uh and
it's and it's showing up in the games.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
When did you realize there was unfinished business in the NFL?
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Uh? When when I walked off the field at the
at the Super Bowl in twenty and thirteen, you know,
I was really proud of our team and what they
did to get there and h and how they played
in the game, and felt like, you know, there'll be
(11:20):
another day. Almost almost like who is the actor? Who's
the actor? In the field of dreams Burt Lancaster when
he said he got his one at bat in the
major leagues and he walked off the field and thought
there would be other days. But then there weren't any
other days. So yeah, I thought there would be other days,
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and then for a long time that there wasn't any
other days. And now with the Chargers, with the team
that that has the license and the ability to do it,
I'm I'm feeling that there's going to be another day.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
How's your dad?
Speaker 5 (12:03):
He's good, Thanks for asking. He's Uh, he was. He
was in Baltimore the last the last two weeks and
UH so been Uh been talking with him Texan Texan
this morning. I haven't talked yet, but uh looking looking
forward to that. We we uh he my mom, we
we talk about every other day. So uh get I
(12:27):
need to talk to my dad today, see what Uh
see how he's doing. Get his football perspective of the
game last night and our game and uh and my
son Jay's game. Uh Jay harball? How about the Uh
you talk about the trifecta. He's the special teams coach
coordinator for the Seattle Seahawks and they had a ninety
(12:48):
five yard kickoff return for a touchdown I think the
longest maybe in Seahawks history and maybe in the first
in the last ten years they had they had oh
that was a pump return return ninety five and then
a kickoff return for sixty five and and they blocked
the field goal. I mean, that's that's the trifecta right there.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Man, Well, really didn't John John started out with special teams,
didn't he dead?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Yeah, sure did. Uh. And it's uh, it's it's it's
it's the coach that uh probably I mean coaches everybody. Uh.
And James Jay's a great coach. We were together at
Michigan for for seven years. And Uh, I feel like,
you know, like in a proud way, in the in
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the in the in the best kind of way that uh,
you know, I'm here and he's kind of like he's going,
he's going above me, he's getting he's better, and I mean,
uh getting better and is better and and just ascending
in every way as a as a coach and a dad.
You know. Just one of my favorite coaches that I've
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ever ever worked with or been around. Uh. And that's
what we want for our kids, right We want him
to be. We want them to be better than us.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Look at that smile on your face. Look at you
brown dad. Do you think your dad could take me?
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Take you? Yeah, in a fight? Yeah, I don't know.
That's always the same may That's a that's never really
resonated with me, Like, who could? Who could? Why would
you want to fight? Let's let's be friends. We'll make
an enemy. You can make a friend.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Maybe arm wrestled.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
I mean, I don't know't.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
You know what he came hey, when he came in
that name.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
You're a really good shape. He's a really good shape.
I don't know that'd be uh.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, but he's eighty six. He's eighty six.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
It's a pretty good shape.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. He could probably
take me. So, but you're right, we'll.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Just be if I want to. I would want to
tangle with him, did you ever? He's one of the
My great grandfather Harball was a was a your boxer,
a little thunder. And then my grandfather, Bill Harball was
a boxer. He had eight eight fights, eight or nine fights.
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And my dad was never a boxer. But my dad
can handle himself that way, and I've seen it I've seen.
Maybe that's the story for another I've witnessed to take
care of himself.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, I know that. I don't deny that. Congrats on
the start. Great to catch up with you, Thanks for
joining us.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Thanks dad, thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That's coach coach Harball. Yeah, his dad came in and
he was like Patrick Harma and he just put this
big hand out there. That was the introduction. Oh yeah,
got a big kick at Patrick Harva like a coach. Yeah,
drop and give me twenty. All right, we'll take a
break here. Ryan Fitzpatrick will join us. Man the smile
(15:56):
on his face when he was talking about his quarterback gushing,
all right, we're back after this Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm looking at the first nine seasons for Jared Goff
and Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford first nine years two hundred
and sixteen touchdowns, one hundred and eighteen picks, and zero
playoff wins, one Pro Bowl. Jared Goff first nine seasons,
two hundred and twenty eight touchdowns, ninety five picks, four
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Pro Bowls, four playoff wins, and a Super Bowl appearance.
But it helps going to a better franchise. And Matthew
Stafford always got extra credit because he was playing for
the Lions, while Jared Goff probably got less credit because
he was playing with better teams. Yeah, Pauling, this is obvious,
but we talked about this a year or so ago.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
If Jared Goff gets a Super Bowl victory with the Lions,
that's enough for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Let's bring in Ryan Fitzpatrick, NFL on Prime Video Thursday night.
Thursday Night, it's the Seahawks and the Cardinals. Do you
agree with that? Jared Goff a super Bowl win makes
him a Hall of Fame quarterback?
Speaker 9 (18:20):
Wow, we're starting with the tough questions early. I think
so because it's Detroit as well. You know, I think
there's a lot of fan bases that would go crazy
for that.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
But Buffalo and.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
Detroit, if there's a quarterback could bring a Super Bowl
to either of those I think they'll end up in
the Hall of Fame. So it's been amazing what Jared
has been able to do in Detroit and now switching
offensive coordinators. You know, we talked about the genius of
Ben Johnson and after the first game against the Packers,
will they be the same ever? Again, I think we
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got that answer. I think they're going to be just fine.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
What do you take away from last night game?
Speaker 9 (19:02):
I come out of that I think the Ravens are
going to be fine, But out of that game so
impressed with Detroit and what Dan Campbell has done there,
the mentality that those guys play with. Really happy for
Kelvin Sheppard to step in at defensive coordinator, the emotion
and the passion that he shows on the sideline.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
But I think Detroit right now.
Speaker 9 (19:24):
A lot of people obviously are going to say the Eagles,
and he got to knock off the Eagles, But I
think the.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Detroits for me are my favorite team in the NFC.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
The Ravens defense, they used to lead with their defense Rye.
That defense was non existent last night. That doesn't concern you.
It does a little bit.
Speaker 9 (19:41):
I mean, if you look to the week before, they
made some big plays, you know, fumble return for a touchdown,
the interception or turned down to the five by Wiggins.
They were missing Matabik last night, they were missing van Ney.
I think we've seen this from the Ravens before, though.
I think we've seen the struggles at the beginning of
the year. I think they're too talented on defense at
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all three levels, are too talented to not figure this
thing out by year's end.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
More concerned about the Chiefs of the Ravens since they
meet each other next week.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
Yeah, I'm more concerned with the Chiefs, and I've been
concerned with the Chiefs for the last few years, and
I've been very wrong.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I think a lot of us have.
Speaker 9 (20:21):
But you know, I think everybody is saying, well, wait,
the Cavalry's coming, Rashie Rice is going to come back.
Worthy's going to be healthy. This offense is going to
get back on track and figure it out. But it
just seems like things are difficult for the Chiefs right
now on offense. And you know, they have a much
better defense statistically than the Ravens do right now. But
(20:41):
I just think the Ravens are a much better football team,
and I think that'll show up on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
What's it like to go against the defense that you
know is bad.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
It's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It is one of the Cowboys defense. You you know,
there's no pass rusher, secondary, pretty shaky. Like man, you
probably have to hide your giddiness. I think when you
go on the field, don't you.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
I think there's there's two different things as a quarterback.
One is to go into a game known you're gonna
be able to run the ball at will and for
it to actually happen. That's when that's when it's great.
When you can have a relaxing game when you can
get those five and ten yard plays and then a
chunk run here every now and again, and it opens
up the play action. You know, they're having to load
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the box to try to do anything to stop the
run game, and you've got one on ones on the
outside with big advantages.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
That's huge.
Speaker 9 (21:35):
But you know in our Thursday night game, you saw
Miami and the Bills and there was they were running
it at will and then something happened at halftime and
there was just a lowell And so it's the beauty
of the NFL where you just you there's professionals on
both sides of the balls, And I think that the
Cleveland Packers game reminded of it of that this weekend
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where it's like, we think we have this whole thing
figure out, and the Chiefs are falling down and the
Ravens are no good anymore, and all of a sudden,
you know, the Browns go ahead and beat the Packers,
who were the Super Bowl favorites two weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
How often did you go to the line of scrimmage
and you go touchdown before the play?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
So I'll tell you I was.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
I had the privilege of playing with a lot of
great receivers. So if I could walk up and see
a one on one matchup with a go ball and
I had Mike Evans on the outside, or I had
a quarters look and I had Deshaun Jackson on a post.
DeAndre Hopkins was that way too, And then my twenty
fifteen season with Brandon Marshall, I did that quite a
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bit and he got in the end zone quite a bit.
So I think a lot of that is based on
matchups and the guys that you have on the outside.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
How is quarterbacking changed in the last ten or fifteen years.
Speaker 9 (22:53):
It's changed a lot and I think, you know, part
of it is protecting the quarterbacks. Less big hits easier,
the easier for these guys to stay healthy.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
It's still obviously gonna hurt when you get hit.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
The great shot of Miles Garrett hitting Joe Burrow in
the in the first week, where it's like, so you
want to play quarterback in the end.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
This is what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
But these rules have helped quarterbacks stay healthy and stay
on the field. And I think the second thing that's
a big difference.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
You've seen completion percentage jump way up, and you know,
the air yards on these passes. A lot of these
offenses now getting the ball out on the perimeter, having
those plays where it's a swing pass and there's a
full back or a tight end as the lead blocker
out there.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
A lot of this is an extension of the run game.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
And so I think we're seeing a lot of quick passes,
a lot of short passes, and I don't know that
it's necessarily changing for the better. I like some of
that other stuff, and that's why you like teams like
Detroit and like to watch the play action and Jared
Goff throw it down the field and on fourth and
two the aman Rah play action, you know, trust in
him to make that throw.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
But it's changed.
Speaker 9 (24:01):
I don't know that it's changed for the better in
terms of all the quick short passes.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I don't know why more quarterbacks don't start under center
that it feels like you can run play action, like
you can hide a little bit more. It's more deception
there instead of being in the gun. Help me understand
why we don't see more of that.
Speaker 9 (24:21):
Yeah, I just think because of the way that it's
being taught from a very young age now and in college.
You know, it's all about you have guys coming into
the league that haven't really had to be in a
huddle and haven't really had to bark out a cadence
or a snap count. But that kind of stuff it's
easier to do. You like the spread out, wide open
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stuff in college, and so a lot of that occurs
in shotgun.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
But it's a big difference.
Speaker 9 (24:48):
It's a big change for some of these guys coming
into the NFL, and it is a huge advantage to
be able to get under center.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
You've got the Seahawks and the Cardinals on Thursday night.
I thought Marvin Harrison Junior was thousand year yards one
hundred catches. This is going to be easy. What the
hell has happened? I think part of it is a
confidence issue. You know, you saw in the last game
he had two big drops. One of them ended up
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not cost him because they had a past interference calling
the end zone. But just you know, stuff plays that
he's probably made since he was five years old, and
so that happens to guys sometimes where you just you
fall out of confidence. So I think it's the job
of Jonathan Gannon, especially the job of Kyler Murray, to
try to bring him up out of this and to
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breathe life and breathe confidence in him because he is
He's a good player. I think the biggest knock on
him so far, and I live in Arizona, so I've
been hearing a lot of it is, you know, his
inability to make that contested catch and to do it consistently.
He obviously dropped a couple where he was opened this
last weekend, but going up and being strong and using
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your hands, And I think that the hard thing is
the comparison is Larry Fitzgerald, Right, he comes in and
they want him to be the franchise guy, like Larry
was in the face of the franchise for seventeen years
and he hasn't lived up to that billing yet.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
But he has the talent.
Speaker 9 (26:10):
So it's still early and I hope he can he
can make himself come out of the scene and gain
some confidence back.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Would you put Jackson Dart in there for a home
game against a better team, the Chargers, or on the
road against a worse team the Saints. See, I've always
had it circled, So we have we have Week six.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I think let's see one, two, three, four.
Speaker 9 (26:31):
Yeah, our Week six game is the Giants, which is
a Thursday night, And so being a guy that has
started as the bridge quarterback for Plunket, you look at
the bye week first of all, and I think their
bye week is week fourteen, so it wasn't gonna happen then.
And then you look at the Thursday night games. We
can get a couple extra days of practice. So I've
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always had after our game circled, Week seven would be
his first start. You know, It's it's difficult obviously to
play this position, and Russell Wilson there's a lot of
things that he's going to try to cover up in
terms of maybe the line play, the lack of threats
on the outside, the running backs, whatever it is. It's
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nice for Jackson Dark to be able to sit and
kind of watch him operate a little bit and get
beat up. Their schedule is really tough, so he'll be
in there soon though, and I think there's a lot
of excitement around him. We were able to do his
preseason game and what he will bring is a little
bit more mobility.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
To that position.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Fitch and Wit a wave original. Wherever you get your podcast,
you guys chopping it up, telling stories, giving dad energy there.
How much fun has that been? It's been a lot
of fun.
Speaker 9 (27:47):
I put off the podcast for a couple of years
and then what I realized was I finally found the right.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Person to do it with.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
And Andrew Whitworth and irare teammates way back in seven
eight for the Cincinnati Bengals, and our friendship has kind
of come back around after we started working for Amazon together.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
But we love it.
Speaker 9 (28:06):
We just had Dion Dawkins on yesterday and to be
able to sit down and talk with some of these guys,
some of them we have forged friendships with already, and
some of them just really getting to know for the
first time, and Big Schnow was one of those guys.
But what a character he is and what a moment
he's having with the Buffalo Bills, and he's kind of
seen it all the last eight years with that franchise,
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but he's been with Josh from the beginning, So it
was cool to see and listen to some of those
stories with.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
The good to talk to you have fun on Thursday.
Great to catch up with you again.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
It's Ryan Fitzpatrick. It's fits in Wit a Wave original
wherever you get your podcast? Andrew Whitworth, very funny guy.
They got Seahawks Cardinals on Thursday Night. Jake and Colorado.
Hi Jake, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Hey?
Speaker 10 (28:56):
DP, recent inductee to the DDC Club I learned to
call in seat. Made a comment earlier on your show
being that one of the or the best thing you
do is your interviews, and that's really what you guys
focus on. Even when I'm missing the show for work
and other reasons, I always go back and listen to
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the interviews. I've been introduced to so many guys that
I had no idea even existed in the entertainment World
and Professional World, and one of which was an old
interview you did with Burt Reynolds brought that committee ten
twelve years ago. Yeah, he was a My dad was
a huge fan of his and I just remember I
was drawing a bathroom at that time and I just
(29:38):
sat down and just listened to the interview and listened
to this guy I'd seen on the screen for years,
and you've brought out the person who he was. Just fantastic.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Well, I hope that my audience after this many years,
this many interviews, trust me, if I have somebody on
that maybe you're not familiar with, because I do think
of you if you're watching or you're listening in your car,
are you interested in this? Or this is why you
should be interested in this? And that's the fun part
of it. And you know, we kind of look at
(30:11):
all different walks of life when it comes to this
that you know, is there a movie, is their music?
Is it just sports? And kind of expand everybody's horizon
there and also give you an idea of what interests
me when we have people on because I don't have
a boss, which is the beauty of this, and we
(30:32):
just talk about what we're interested in, and there are
days when you know there's not much to be interested in,
and that's the real challenge. I go back to COVID
and I think COVID is the proudest time of this show,
even given everything we were going through. We had to
come up with ideas, we had to come up with guests,
and we did it, and we got to work through
(30:55):
the entire COVID period. And that's what this is about,
getting along with each other, having ideas, trying to entertain you,
pequk your interest. And that's the challenge every single That's
why I say every day is a super Bowl because
during the NFL season it's easy to do this job.
(31:16):
It's the other days, other time periods that you go,
what are we talking about today and what is of
interest to you or should be And that's the fun
part of it. But the interviews get you know, their
strategy to it. I take them very seriously and not
everybody comes out, you know, with a great interview, but
(31:39):
you know, our approach is the same, ask interesting questions,
but better yet, get interesting answers. That's the key. Let's
see Jordan in Peoria. Hi, Jordan, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (31:54):
Dan, thanks for having me on again. You've been covering
the NFL for a long time, and I've seen a
lot quarterbacks kind of come and go. And when you're
looking at like young quarterbacks, what traits do you look
for that usually tell you if they'll be successful And
kind of based on that, what have you seen so
far from Caleb Williams And do you think he shows
those traits? And I apologize, I'm a Chicago Bears apologist,
(32:15):
so I had to have to get a Bear's question
in today.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
That's okay, that's okay. I want people to be patient.
We're not in today's sports society. Everybody's got to have
a hot take. They want to be the first to say.
I mean Paul Feinbaum, who have great respect for, and
all of a sudden, he's slobbern all over Arch Manning.
Now this is the best prospects since Tim Tebow. And
I'm like, oh, don't do this, don't do this, and
(32:39):
then he had to walk that back. It's we don't
have to have an opinion right away, but when you
do have an opinion, then have it based on something.
And that's what I want people to do with Caleb Williams.
Or Bryce Young c J. Stroud. You get about a
three year window and then all of a sudden, we
decide if you're going to get a contract or you're
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going to be playing for somebody else and you'll be
a backup for a little while. That seems to be
the progress here, and Caleb has the talent. I don't
know how well he was coached at usc Is last year.
I don't know if he wanted to be coached. I
don't know if Lincoln Riley was able to coach him
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to get him ready for the NFL. Because when he's bad,
he's playing like he did at usc which was good
enough for college. It's just not good enough for the NFL.
And he can make all the throws we've seen that.
I still think he and Ben Johnson can make some
magic there. You had people already moving on this will
(33:42):
never work out. I mean people I respect who are saying, oh,
this won't work out. If Caleb wants to be coached,
then he can be great. And that may sound strange,
but these guys are told at a young age how
great they are, and why am I listening to you?
And I'm going to do it my way. The great
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Joe Montana said, seventy five percent of my success is
because of Bill Walsh because he listened to him. That's
the key. Are you going to listen to somebody? Are
you going to be coached? That's the most important part
of all of this. And not everybody wants to be
coached or coached hard. Well, imagine your entire life. You've
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been great, You've been told you're great, and then all
of a sudden, you're not great. And the trait the
biggest thing. I like to see what happens when something
goes wrong. That tells me a whole lot about that quarterback. Well,
take a break, more phone calls coming up back after this.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
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Speaker 2 (34:50):
We are going to celebrate the thirty first anniversary of
Shawshank Redemption. At the top of the hour, I want
to bring back a portion of my interview with Tim Robbins,
Andy Dufrayin and the fascination with this movie that wasn't
a box office hit when it came out, but now
it feels like it's impossible to not have seen at
(35:11):
least a portion of Shawshank Redemption. I watched it last
week again and I noticed something I didn't notice before.
When Red was out there getting the money underneath the
tree and he has this slight, little like quick head turn,
hoping nobody is seeing him out there when he gets
this money, and he's in the middle of nowhere, when's
(35:36):
he Maine? And then he gets that money all of
a sudden, And they changed the ending because I think
it was going to end with him on the bus
going to see Tim Robbins, and then they said no, no, no,
you got to show those two. And then they got
together in Saint Lucia and with Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman.
(35:57):
But we'll bring back Tim Robbins. We had an interview
with him. I don't know how long ago that was,
probably you know, seven or eight years ago, but he
was really good on that movie and how much money
they didn't make. So we'll have that for you coming up.
Sergeant in Utah, Hi, sergeant, what's on your mind?
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
DPA?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Doing good, good, good six five?
Speaker 12 (36:21):
First time long time.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Hey.
Speaker 12 (36:24):
I wanted to I wanted to bring up your your
interviews and your your questions. Been listening for a long
time and being in law enforcement, I'm an expert in interview,
in interrogation, and I teach classes to law enforcement to civilians,
and I use one of your interviews back when Russell Wilson,
Junior the third was on the Seahawks and you were
(36:47):
talking about between Pete Carroll and his being upset about
an offensive line, what he was not saying, when he
wasn't saying anything, but what his body was saying, how
he was saying things.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I've used that.
Speaker 12 (37:01):
Interview for years because we all knew how upset Russell
Wilson was and the way you described it afterwards, he
took his body language, how you said things, when he
said things, or when he was saying things, all the
unsaid things, we were incredible things that you.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
All picked up on. And that's something that I do
every day.
Speaker 12 (37:21):
So it's always impressed me of how you interview these
you know, these professionals and get everything out of them
that you can.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Well, thank you, sergeant, and be safe out there. They'll
ask open ended questions. But this started at the Super
Bowl when I saw Russ sitting next to the Commissioner
and Brady and Mahomes were playing in the game, and
Russ looked miserable, and I said to Fritzie, I said,
see if Russell join us after the super Bowl. And
(37:51):
we were supposed to have him on that Friday of
super Bowl Week, and then he was there for Walter
Payton Man of the Year, and then I said, get
him on getting on he's he's sitting on something. And
you know Russ famously, you know, like a lot of
ath Derek Jeter, you know, they kind of look like
or sound like they're telling you something. They're not really
telling you anything, but they're very pleasant when they do it.
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And Russ would do that, and this was different, and
I thought, gosh, if I can I just need an
opening here, and I viewed him as an opponent I did.
I was like, I'm going to I got to figure
this out because he's got something he wants to he
wants to say something. I just don't know if he's
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going to go into that Russell Wilson mode. And if
he does, then I'm not getting anything. And then all
of a sudden he cracked a little bit, or he
was willing to crack, and then all of a sudden
it was, you know, either me or coach and then yeah,
(38:54):
all of a sudden, boom, it detonated. That changed a
whole lot, whole lot. But thank you for the phone call,
Sergeant Matt in Ohio. Hi Matt, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 6 (39:07):
Hey guys, thanks for having me on again. I had
just two things real quick. The first one is you
caught me off guard with Shawshank Redemption, because that's my
favorite all time movie and I'll never forget the scene
where it's at the very end and Morgan Freeman is
walking towards mister Dufrain and he can just sense he's
(39:30):
there and kind of turns around and looks. I don't
know if from remember that part. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it
was just it was. And then the other thing is
I just want to echo a lot of the great
interviews that people have been talking about.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
And I've noticed that a lot of.
Speaker 6 (39:49):
Some of the better interviews you have are backup quarterbacks,
and they always be a bad rap, but I feel
like they get to see a lot of the game
and you know, not being caught up right in the
mix of it, and they can provide some of the
best info I think. I think that's been some of
your best interviews personally.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Well, thank you, Matt. They do see the game, they're
involved in the game, and they're usually not interviewed about
the game, and I love the fact that you can
have them on Like Chase Daniel is one of my
favorite interviews. But it's because he does his homework and
I can ask him what do you see and he
can tell me and then you know, and tell you
(40:32):
the audience and it makes us smarter. And that's always
what's great. When you get those quarterbacks who are willing
to tell stories, and they're going to be able to
tell you something that we don't see because it's so subtle.
I mean even I know, I brought up the what
do you hear when you're in the pocket to Steve Young,
and I asked David and Derek Carr because I'm curious
(40:55):
about that you've got chaos around you. And Steve Young
yesterday said, you know, I would hear Reggie White just screaming,
but he said, for the most part, it's like this
kind of white noise that's there for us. It looks like,
oh my gosh, people are yelling and screaming and saying
stuff and it's got to be chaos in there. But
(41:16):
these guys can be in a vacuum and compartmentalized. And
that's what I find amazing, because we see everything around them.
They can't. They have to stay in the moment there,
all right, coming up. Tim Robbins on Shawshank Redemption thirty
one years later,
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