September 26, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan thinks Cam Newton has every right to criticize Tua Tagovailoa. And former NFL QB Chris Simms drops by to break down the QB play in the NFL so far this season and weigh in on Russell Wilson’s legacy.
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With Peacock on our radio affiliates around the country. Chris
Sims from Football Night in America will stop by. We'll
have the most must win game of the weekend coming
up a little bit later on as well. Seahawks hold
off the Cardinals and Seattle now improves to three and one,
a quiet three and one. By the way, Viking Steelers
will be in Ireland coming up on Sunday morning. Some
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of the other great games Eagles Buccaneers. I think if
the Buccaneers win this game and Baker Mayfield plays well,
he'll be your leading candidate for MVP. The Colts and
the Rams, Ravens, Chiefs, Bengals, and the Broncos, just to
name a few. College football weekend as well. Will run
down some of those games. My favorite game is Washington
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hosting Ohio State because Washington is good at home. They
got a really good offense and that went from ten
and a half down to seven and a half.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So the sharps are all over you.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
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email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show.
We've talked about quarterbacks. We certainly did in the first
hour that felt like there was I don't know piling
on last night on Thursday Night Football with Tony Gonzalez
and Richard Sherman talking about Russell Wilson not being a
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Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
We watch Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Kyler Murray has as much talent as anybody who's played
that position. It feels like, and I think I've said
this many times and I would say it too Kyler Murray,
it almost came too easy for him. And this isn't
all on him, but I still believe sometimes when you
have too much talent. You think you can get away
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with more. You try to extend the play. Lamar Jackson
does this, Caleb Williams does this. Kyler Murray trying to
make a play. You're so used to making a play.
I could do this in high school, I could do
this in college. You can't do this consistently in the NFL.
And Lamar Jackson's doing less of this, even though he
just got sacked what seven times by the Lions. Kyler
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Murray got sacked what six times last night? Those are
horrible numbers. He shouldn't be getting sacked that many times now. Granted,
offensive lines they vary and how good they are, but
a quarterback can still get rid of the ball. I
don't care how good the rush is. You can still
get rid of the ball. And I think a lot
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of these quarterbacks now don't want to throw, whether take
a chance for an interception or an incompletion. Everybody is
kind of caught up in these numbers here certainly touchdown
to interception ratio. And I brought it up yesterday that
somebody had told me it was Russ trying to guard
his numbers because the last drive that he had the
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Giants you throw it out of the end zone like
he threw passes that couldn't be caught by anybody, and
you didn't give your team a chance. And somebody former
quarterback said, sometimes you start to guard your stats late
in your career. And Russ has the fifth best touchdown
to interception ratio in the history of the game. He
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was fourth a month ago. But last night Richard Sherman,
former teammate and Tony Gonzalez, said, basically, Russ is washed
and the Legion of Boom is the reason why he
was successful in Seattle. I don't think either of those
are correct. Do I think he could still play for
the Bengals. Would he be an upgrade over Jake Browning?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I do.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I do believe that, and I do the Legion of
Boom was unbelievable. But Russ in the last five years
put up incredible numbers for a team that didn't have
a good defense. The offense stayed the same, scoring twenty
five points on averag The defense was giving up twenty
five points, but Russ did his part. The last couple
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of years haven't been good at all, And I think
recency bias. Everybody has his strong opinion about Russell Wilson.
Cam Newton had some things to say about two a
tongue of Iiloa. He said that he's making more than
Mahomes and Herbert Lamar Jackson, Hurts Mayfield, Stafford, Jaden Daniels,
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and he is trying to put things into perspective. He
sees Tua and it feels like he's not all in.
He said, when you're being paid what you're asked to do,
what you have the capability of, from one quarterback to another,
I look at the situation like, come on, dog, especially
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when you've got a Ferrari and a Lamborghini and other
amenities that other quarterbacks don't or wish they had. So
that's you know, you have Jalen Waddle, have Tyreek Kill.
So here is Tua talking about Cam Newton.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Anybody can play quarterback in this league, then, I mean
I want to see anybody on the streets come and
play quarterback. I mean, Cam Cam's doing his thing, for sure,
but you know, to it's I think it's easier to
be able to hold a clicker and talk about it
that way, or talk about what someone else is doing
wrong when you're you're not going out and having to
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do the same as them, right.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So I think it's it's it's all.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
It's easy to do that. I think anybody can do that.
I don't think anybody can play quarterback.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Well, to hold on, Cam was an MVP. Cam went
to a Super Bowl. Cam was a great quarterback. He's
not a clipboard holder. He's not Chase Daniel breaking down
film or Dan or Lobsky. Well, no, I like he
could critique those guys because they didn't play at a
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high level, okay, or as often. But now all of
a sudden, you know, you can take anybody off the street.
That's not what Cam was saying. You have weapons, you're accurate,
and you should be better. And he played the position.
Now if I say it, Tua can say what does
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he know? And he would be right. But you can't
say that about Cam Newton. Cam played the position at
a very high level. He helped carry an offense to
the Super Bowl. I mean to get to the postseason
and win a game, and yes, this is what happens.
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You know, you got a big you got a big contract,
and you didn't deserve that contract. They never should have
given you that contract based off your health and some
of the results against quality teams. They should have made
you play one more year and then franchise you, and
then franchise you. They went all in and they'll regret that.
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But Cam has every right to be able to be
critical of your quarterback plaque. He's not a clipboard holder.
Let's see a couple of phone calls in here a Seaton.
What's the whole question for hour or two? We got
two of them up there. Let's see we put two
up for our one. We have vikings. Letting Sam Donald
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leave was right at the time, or we'll haunt them.
We'll hunt them as sixty two percent of that vote
the NFL franchise that.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
How many times were you voting PAULI for? That will
haunt them.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
I'm not a hunter.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, but you're a Sam Donalder.
Speaker 7 (10:39):
I'm a donaldist.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yes, you're a Donald. Oh my god, early.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
You were in Early. I didn't hear from you when
he was in like Carolina and some of these other places.
Lying and you were playing the longest Okay, it was
a big forty nine ers era.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Huge Now that they got a real quarterback, Watch out,
Sam and I are.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Playing the law game, Dan, What else do you have?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
NFL franchise that feels least competitive year to year. Your options.
There are Cardinals, Brown's, Jets, other right now the Jets.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I would have voted for the Jets as well. I
would that's a mess, you know, when you see. I
saw a Jets fan.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
He had his jersey on and he was in the
supermarket on Sunday and I said, hey, good luck, and
he looked at me and he goes about what And
I said, no, your team. He goes, oh, we need
more in luck, we need talent, And I said, okay,
I don't know. Seems like they're on an uptick with
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Aaron Glenn nearly pulled out the win against Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I'm just trying to be nice, you know.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
I think that's what's maybe more frustrating about the Jets.
I think they have a talented roster. I mean, they've
got a very good wide receiver, a very good cornerback, Sauce.
They were aggressive trying to get even when they traded
up for Sanchez. They are aggressive. They spend and it
never works. They are not a franchise that doesn't spend
or doesn't try things and it just doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And I don't think they've had good coaches, haven't been
able to find, you know, their next Joe Namath And
I don't know. It just always feels like it's an
inferior product because you're playing in giant stadium.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You're the Jets and you play in giant stadium, Yes, Todd.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
How does one gauge a culture change, which is what
Aaron Glenn spoke about before he took the job, Other
than wins and losses, when how many moral victories can
you have? You know, as far as a culture change
and going in the right direction if you're not still winning.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I haven't been involved in something like that where it's
a culture change. I was hoping for one my first
year at Eastern Kentucky, but then I realized that I
was the one who was going to have to change.
You are the culture change. Let's get rid of that guy. Yeah,
get rid of Golden Boy. By golly, Golden Boy, get
out of here. But I don't, you know, Dan Campbell,
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that's a culture change. I think Pete Carroll had a
culture change, whether it was with USC or Seattle. I
remember asking Pete, I said, man, you're leaving USC to
go to Seattle, And he said, there's a that's a
hidden I forget what it was, but it was something hidden.
There's a lot of talent there and he was probably
getting away from USC with sanctions.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Loomy.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Let me see Zach and Knoxville. Hey, Zach, what's on
your mind today?
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Hedp? Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Two things.
Speaker 9 (13:36):
One, everything you were just saying about Tua and what
Cam said minus to injuries, I would put on Kyler Murray.
Speaker 10 (13:44):
I don't think.
Speaker 8 (13:45):
He's a starting quarterback in.
Speaker 10 (13:46):
The league and that's just my take.
Speaker 8 (13:49):
And to take a big left turn.
Speaker 9 (13:51):
Since you dabble in the arts, I wanted to know
if you have any comments on the ri Odd Comedy
Festival that's coming up, since it's seen like sports washing
is making its way into other avenues of entertainment.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I haven't delved into it. I don't know anything about
who's going to be over there. I know Shane Gillis
turned it down, but I have no idea who's going
to be involved in it. So thanks for the phone call.
Zac James in Austin, Hi James, what's on your mind?
Speaker 10 (14:30):
Hey Bee?
Speaker 8 (14:30):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
You doing man good?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I had a T shirt idea okay, and maybe it's.
Speaker 11 (14:35):
More of a philosophy for how fast Todd goes off
the rails but gone in forty seconds?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Ooh man, one of my favorite movies, by the way,
Gone in sixty seconds, Angelina, jo Lee, Nicholas Cage, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Is that a good bad movie or a good hockey movie?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
But see they could have been The Fast and Furious?
Speaker 8 (14:58):
Were they first?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Or I think they had a checking I think they
had it. Nicholas Cage, his name like Montana Range or
something like that something.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Yeah, Memphis Rains, give me.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
A blue though, Giovanni Ribisi.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, yeah, but Angeline and Julie. It was like sort
of like the tweaker engine guy.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, Robert, Robert Duval, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 12 (15:23):
The best part is that's not to me. That's not
even his best great bad movie. It's Connye the accent alone.
I told you I was going to get that doll back.
However you said it, John Malkovich.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Nicholas Cage plays Cameron Poe and Conny Air.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, but how about pig.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Different eras though that's different. You can't include the pig
era in the con Air the rock era.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I want my pig, I want my pig.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Gone in sixty seconds, came out one year before.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
They could have been Fast and Furious, and.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
You're before Fast and Furious. Yes, better hockey movie. Gone
in sixty seconds, original Fast and Furious.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
That's insulting to the Fast and Furious franchise.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Fast and Furious. Hey had it.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
As soon as I saw it, I said, oh my god,
you got great cars and hot women. That was the
original table that it should have been. It should have
been hot women, great cars.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Yes time, I'm embarrassed to say I was gone in
like fifteen seconds. But everyone's different.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Than find a break, Take a break.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Chris Simms will join us right after this Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 3 (17:47):
More phone calls coming up these Chris Sims Pro Football
Talk Live, co host, also his podcast Unbuttoned and a
contributor to Football Night in America. Where is this dislike discrediting,
hatred or whatever it might be? With Russell Wilson coming
from that, now it's a topic is he playing his
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way out of the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 15 (18:11):
Well, yeah, I mean, you know, first off, I don't
think I had him in the Hall of Fame anyways,
So I think that's still a debatable topic there a
little bit, all right, NFL legend, right, one of the
better quarterbacks of our era for sure, but hall of Fame.
I'm not really ready to say that about Russell Wilson.
Speaker 8 (18:28):
Now. The criticism, you know, again, I.
Speaker 15 (18:32):
Think a lot of it has to do with his play,
and I think a little bit has to do with
his personality and how he's viewed, not only by the public,
but how people view him. I think in the football world,
in locker room stuff like that. Right, We've seen a
number of locker rooms that, Yeah, Russell Wilson's a nice guy,
But is he a leader?
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Is he one of the guys? Right?
Speaker 15 (18:50):
Is he respected like one of the guys? I think
that's been debatable at certain places. There was a lot
of talk of that last year in Pittsburgh, Denver. You
didn't hear anybody there sticking up going, man, he really
got a raw deal there, right, You didn't really hear
about it in Seattle either, and he kind of forced
his way out of that situation. So I think between
that acting maybe like he's a Hall of Famer and
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then playing like he's barely a starter in the NFL,
that's probably where we are right now. As far as
the criticism around Russell Wilson, it feels like Matthew Stafford
is a bro and he'd never been a Pro Bowl
quarterback or one time, never been an MVP, right, but
he won a Super Bowl, Yeah, and that feels like
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that alone is going to get him into the Hall
of Fame. Well, I think there's some different circumstances there
where I go. You know, Matthew Stafford for me for
a while, was the only reason Detroit was ever in
any conversations about being in the playoffs at all. Right,
he was almost his own worst enemy in the fact
that he was so good he made them eight to
eight and they might have gotten the playoffs or didn't
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but lost them the first round or whatever, and people say, oh, look,
he couldn't get in the playoffs or he choked in
the playoffs, when it was like, no, they weren't really
a playoff team. They got there because he's so amazing.
So that's where I would stick up for him. He
was the football team there, and then you saw as
soon as he got with a team that could support.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
Him at all, it was like, Boom, I'm gonna win
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 15 (20:15):
And Russell Wilson's I think, is a little different than that,
where Hey, some good years, certainly, but we know the
legion of Boom and that defense and run game.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
Were the most important parts of that football team early
on in his career.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, but I can look at this and say that
Russ got with a team that was really good and
he won. He went to two Super Bowls, Whereas when
he's not with a good team, he still took Pittsburgh
to the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
Yeah, he took Putsford the playoffs.
Speaker 15 (20:38):
But the passing offense and everything around him has been
the question, right, And I don't think that's been the
question around Matthew Stafford. We are never like, I don't
know if the passing offense is gonna work with Matthew Stafford.
We've gotten to a point here where you've seen one
of the greatest offensive mines in the history of football.
And Sean Payton go through a half a year ago
it ain't gonna work. It's not gonna work. We're going
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to ask him to take off the guarantees of his
contract next year. That's how much it's not gonna work.
I'm gonna bench him for Jared Stidham. So I think
with all of that, and then yeah, last year there
was some moments, but again he's limited in what he
can do.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
Dan right, because he can't run and scramble anymore.
Speaker 15 (21:19):
He's not very good playing within the pocket, and he
doesn't really work at whole offense.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
He's never surgical, as I would say.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But he was up a resume, Chris. He had.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yes, he built up a ten year career and whether
you value Pro Bowls or not.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, I hear you, And I respect all
of that. I do.
Speaker 15 (21:39):
He had a lot of awesome years. There's no doubt
about that. And I'm not saying I'm right about the
Hall of Fame thing. That's just my opinion, and I'm
sure there's other people that are smart in football that
may be differ in that. So I understand the resume
and all that, but I also think within the resume
and resume, the team he had and all that, it
was set up so perfectly for him to look awesome, right,
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and he obviously.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Didn't like it there.
Speaker 15 (22:03):
He wanted to be more of a guy like Josh
Allen and Patrick Mahomes where everything was around him, and
we're seeing that the physical talents are not there of
that like those guys right there, and he can't do it.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Talking to Chris Sim's Pro Football Talk Live co host,
the show that preceiges hours on Peacock, you can see
him on Football Night in America. How long should we
wait for Kyler Murray?
Speaker 15 (22:27):
I think we've waited long enough. There's no longer, there's
no longer to wait. It's like, hey, dude, you gotta
make some plays. We got to win some football games.
We got to win some of these tough post games here. Yeah,
Kyler Murray is the guy that's floating in that area
of He's got some talent that makes you think he
could be a top ten quarterback or elite, but there's
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other issues in his game that make him look real average.
And you saw the game last night, there's lots of
moments there where yeah, it is real average, and you
expect him to make a few plays on the run
that he didn't make last night some of those throws.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
So, yeah, I'm a.
Speaker 15 (23:01):
Little disappointed in Kyler Murray. I expected more out of
him by this time of his career. And yeah, he's
getting to that point where if some results don't happen,
you know, they're gonna be looking for changes out there
in Arizona in the next year or two. And Marvin
Harrison was a sure thing. Well he was yeah to
a lot. You know, I knew he was really good.
You know, you're talking to one guy here that when
(23:23):
I you know, I thought it was a little.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Overhyped coming out right.
Speaker 15 (23:27):
I mean again, really good, And I know he can
still be really good.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
He's on the right path.
Speaker 15 (23:32):
The problem is is people tried to make him like
the greatest superstar ever. And I was like, wait, I mean,
there wasn't a ton of separation in college. I don't
see slants where he went for eighty yards after Meanwhile,
those guys we saw at LSU Molik Neighbors and Brian
Thomas Junior, who are the guys I had at the
top of Lewis that year. I was going, they're running
by everybody, They're leaving everybody in the dust. Right, So
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I think all of that has kind of played into
this Marvin Harrison thing. Let alone, their offense isn't great
as well, so that doesn't lend itself to great passing
yards and stats either.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
How often does this happen? What happened to Cam Newton
with Tua? Because two is saying, Oh, you know, anybody
I guess can play quarterback and you know you can?
He like, how dare you criticize him? And I was
I was surprised that two has said that since we
know that you know, Cam had a pretty storied career,
(24:25):
but you didn't have that. But you're a great analyst.
How often do you get what do you know about
the position? Or how dare you critique me?
Speaker 8 (24:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (24:34):
That's always I mean, you know, I haven't got that
from players and anything like that.
Speaker 8 (24:39):
I think, you know, most people in the NFL.
Speaker 15 (24:42):
No, I'm pretty connected and obsessed with the sport and
study it like mad and know what I'm talking about
a little bit. Now, I get that from fans and
I see that on my social media.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
Like, oh, your career sucked? How could you talk about
this guy?
Speaker 15 (24:55):
You know? All? So I always hear that type of
stuff that comes with the job. That does mean I'm
not good at evaluating players and knowing the game and
understanding it that way either. And I can talk it
really good too. So yeah, there's all that. And you know, again,
one of my themes of my year on my podcast
at all of that a little bit is, you know,
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is to challenge some of these teams and what they've
done with these quarterback contracts.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Hey to us being paid like.
Speaker 15 (25:23):
He's Lamar, like he's Josh Allen, like he's Patrick Mahomes,
Then sorry, team, I'm gonna blame you. I want to
see those results that I'm gonna blame that quarterback too.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
I am.
Speaker 15 (25:33):
I don't know where we've gotten to this mold that
we're gonna pay the quarterback four times more as much
money than the best players on the football team, even
when the quarterbacks are middle of the road in the
NFL and nobody in football is gonna pay two of
fifty five million dollars a year. I mean, they literally
negotiated against themselves. So now they want to wonder why
they're in this spot. And when you make when you
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make a statements that I can't do half the things
Josh Allen does when you're getting ready to play them,
and you're being paid just like them, and and okay,
the rubber meets the road there. That doesn't make sense.
And I feel like we have a little of that
in the NFL right now, where there's four or five
guys that deserve to be paid like they are everybody else.
I want to go, it's a little crazy, and agents
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and gms have fooled the rest of the world that
the quarterbacks are so much worth more money than everybody
else on the football team.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Should the Cowboys acknowledge Micah Parsons in a.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Celebratory way prior to the game?
Speaker 8 (26:31):
I mean, I'm old school.
Speaker 15 (26:33):
I don't give a damn if they do, right, But
at the same time, it would probably be the classy
thing to do to make a little acknowledgment for one
of the better players there that they've had in recent history,
who also, you know, lefts.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
In a little bit of a weird situation, right, I
mean just a little bit, just a little.
Speaker 15 (26:53):
Bit, and we took under the you know, you know,
below the belt shots at them through the whole process
and trying to change the rules of the CVA. And
we don't want his agent to negotiate because he might
know what he's talking about in negotiations and contracts.
Speaker 8 (27:05):
We'd rather talk about it as to the football player.
So yeah, do I think that would be the classy
thing to do.
Speaker 15 (27:11):
I would, But if they don't do it, I'm not
going to sit there and drag the Cowboys. He's only
been there a short period of time. This is not
like it's a Randy White or Ed two tall Jones.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Finish this sentence. Daniel Jones is.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
Is a lot better than people realize.
Speaker 15 (27:28):
And that's one of my favorite Well why because he's
got all the physical tools and the mentality to be
good at quarterback. You know the thing I always say,
right jokingly, I'm like, get and you'd probably said it
to you before. If you're around crap all the time,
you start to smell like crap, and crap gets on
you and then all of a sudden you don't look
so good. Say Quon Barkley was a bust up with
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the New York Giants. They should have never picked him
the number two. And then he goes to a team
like the Eagles and we go, is he the best
running back I've ever seen in my life? So yeah,
the support system wasn't correct for Daniel Jones, let alone,
just the climate around him. You know, it's the New
York fans being so critical, playing for a coach who
didn't really draft him, right, and Brian Dayball and I
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don't know if he was totally invested there.
Speaker 8 (28:12):
So now you're.
Speaker 15 (28:13):
Seeing you put a little offense around him, You give
him a few answers, you protect him a little bit.
Oh my gosh, Daniel Jones can make a lot happen,
just like Sam Darnold, just like Baker Mayfield, just like
sa Juan Barkley. It's a team sport. You need some support.
You're not not everybody Superman.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Which the most must win game of the weekend? Oh
all right, so that's a good one.
Speaker 15 (28:34):
I do look at the Broncos being one and two
on Monday night, going they better win that one against
the Bengals, right, who are not playing good football, who
are miraculously two and one even though they've been out
played in every game. I think the most one must
win is the Ravens Chiefs game. I don't think there's
any doubt about that. I still think the Ravens are
a really good football team. I mean, if Derrick Henry
doesn't fumble against Buffalo, they probably win. If he doesn't
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fumble the other night, it's gonna be a nail bier
right between the Detroit Lions. So I still look at
them as one of the top teams in football. The Chiefs,
on the other hand, I do not. I've been one
all year that's kind of said, this is not the
year they're going to do it in the AFC West,
and it's been worse than I expected. The receiver injuries
have certainly been a big part of that. But yeah,
the Chiefs are a team right now that I look
at and I go it's not close. So I'm not like, Ooh,
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I like this. If they get this straight, watch out
they're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
To me a little bit here, we don't teach tackling anymore,
it feels like, but we are teaching punching the ball
out right right at any point, and I don't want
to be a buzzkill. Does the NFL legislate a violent
act of trying to punch a ball out?
Speaker 8 (29:44):
Probably not, I don't think so.
Speaker 15 (29:48):
I don't think they'll ever be enough there, and I
think it just adds too much to the excitement of
the football game. I think the NFL wants excitement, they
want big plays, they want turnovers, they want points and
all that, and that's a big part of it. And
to your point, yeah, we don't practice tackling as much
anymore because of all the rules and and everything's just
different to where you can't hit the same But at
the same point, the tackling is also falling off because
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I can tell you that defensive players are going, hey,
when you get in there, the coaches are going hold
them up so Johnny can come by and knock the
ball out, and that leads to bad pocket tackling too.
But no, I don't think that's going anywhere here anytime soon.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Paulie insists that I ask you this question about the
Vikings in Sam Donald because nobody, nobody loves Sam Donald
more than Pauline. Right, will the Vikings regret moving on
from Sam Donald?
Speaker 15 (30:39):
Well, they're definitely in a spot right now where you
don't know where it's gonna go, right. I think that's
that Like with JJ McCarthy, the fact that he didn't
play his rookie year.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
Here we are year two.
Speaker 15 (30:52):
It was a little shaky in the game, and the
half that he did play right and now we're and
now we're gonna wait few weeks for his development. And
you go, oh, I don't know where this quarterback situation is.
Did it go for the rest of the year. It
might be a problem. They might really have to manage it. Yeah,
from that standpoint, they're gonna I think they're gonna regret
it this year, but I think the long play, they
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will not regret it when it's all said and done.
I still believe in JJ McCarthy and more of that.
I just believe it. No, I mean Kevin O'Connell and
his ability to groom these quarterbacks and make them, you know,
pretty awesome.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
On the field.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, I'm I'm all in on that. I just didn't
see that. JJ McCarthy, Oh my gosh, man. And yeah, yeah,
I hear you, And I trust your judgment as much,
if not more so, than anybody. I just don't I
didn't see it at Michigan. He wasn't featured at Michigan.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
No, you're right, that's the fair point.
Speaker 15 (31:43):
And you know that year coming out, I had them
five out of those six great quarterbacks that all went
in the first round, right because of some of the
things you said, Right, there was a part of you
that goes, wait, I like that he has to play
NFL football where it's not just spread and easy throws,
and he's playing in Michigan where it's play action and
throw the ball down the field. But to your point, yeah,
I didn't like that we might go a quarter without
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him even throwing the football.
Speaker 8 (32:06):
That's a little crazy.
Speaker 15 (32:07):
And the thing I think you're seeing too that he
has to work on is he's only got one club
in the bag.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
He only has the driver, he only has the fastball.
We don't see any like flick flick of the wrist
throws any side arm and he you know, laying it
over the linebackers and touching it to the second level
to a tight end.
Speaker 15 (32:26):
That's where he has to grow. To me, every throw
he makes that's good is really just the fastball.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Hardball and what he's doing with justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I don't know if it's tangible that you see something
that he's a different quarterback. Yes, and I think Jim
builds in almost bumpers rails for Herbert that he's going
to be successful. But I don't know exactly what Jim
is doing, but it looks different.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
Well, he's an ex quarterback.
Speaker 15 (32:57):
He makes the quarterbacks feel like he's in the fight
with them, right like, I'm out there playing with you,
I'm supporting you. I know it's not easy, and I
think that's always great for a quarterback because it's not
easy and not a lot of people could put themselves
in their shoes that way. And he also, I think,
is trying to change the culture there. And let's not
forget the Chargers. Chargering was a big thing, them screwing
up games, doing everything there. He's changed that aspect about
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the football team, and within that, he's got to change
kind of the mindset of the quarterback who's leading the charge.
I think there's two things that I look at. One,
watch this Sunday. He gets mad at his teammates. Now
he yells a little bit. That's what I like to see.
The second thing is he's jetting outside the pocket and
making plays out there. That was the only era he
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really lacked behind the great ones mahomes Lamar Josh Allen Burrow.
Right when the defense would win against those guys, those
guys still made a play and got a twenty yard game.
Where you go, man, that was the perfect defense, the
perfect pass rush. But they still made it happen, almost
imposing their will that way. I don't think Herbert was
like that, but you're seeing that this year, and he's
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playing as good as anybody in the NFL right now
at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Good appearance, have a good weekend. Great to talk to
you again, Chris, Thank you, thanks a lot man Thanks you. See,
now that's Chris Sims Pro Football. He didn't even say anything.
You says say he loo to the knuckleheads there, the
jerks over there that maybe he's locked in. Yeah, maybe
bring Chris back and see if he wants to say that. Uh,
(34:27):
is Chris still there?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Thank's going? Yeah, that was quick.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Okay, we don't need to be called We get called
jerks a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I'm okay to.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Skip that one time. I don't know, just my thoughts.
Pro Football Talk Live co host Chris Sims. When we
come back, are we doing the most must win game
of the weekend next or we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Wait a little bit.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
Oh we're gonna wait on that.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Oh okay, mmw gootw okay, We're gonna slide into the weekend,
some of the matchups, more of your phone calls as well.
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Speaker 3 (35:09):
Miss Lane Kiffin has told everybody to take the over
in this game, Oregon against Penn State, a rematch of
the Big Ten title game. That's a big one right now.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, Oregon, that's a big one.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
One. Seven Alabama Georgia. Georgia has won thirty three consecutive
games at home. That's the longest active streak in college football,
NFL Ravens Chiefs, somebody's going to one in three. And
then you got the Packers and the Cowboys. Perhaps you've
heard of that matchup. Micah Parsons makes his return to Dallas.
(35:45):
I got the Packers favored by seven? Is that right, West? Yeah,
that seems like a lot. Packers by seven. They'll sleep
on Indiana at Iowa. I'm hot on that. Oh, I know,
love that game. Yeah, seems like Hey, I never thought
I'd say this. Indiana and Iowa.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
I've never looked forward to that matchup more than I
have this year. That is a big game.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Yeah, Pauline, I have a trap game. Notre Dame at Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, I know Arkansas.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
They beat themselves twice this year. Otherwise they're four and.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Oh I think Notre Dame favored by foreigner.
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Speaker 2 (37:16):
They've kind of laid up me a little bit.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Okay, it's still more negative than positive camping and let
us get through move.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Over, but it's changed your driving.
Speaker 10 (37:26):
It actually has.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
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And if you feel like I'm in someone's way that
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Speaker 2 (37:32):
That's very nice. Timothy in Vegas, Hi, tim what's on
your mind?
Speaker 7 (37:37):
The reason seat and I are laughing. Tod is getting
to giving his explanation and tailing off, and you just
take it and go.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
And it's like the second or third time today that
you've done that.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
It was a little dismissive.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
I tend to ramble, so somewhere in the middle of
your rudeness and me not knowing when to stop talking.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
If you go your briefer, then I won't be.
Speaker 8 (37:58):
I know there's a middle ground there.
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Speaker 8 (38:03):
Alex Jeff from Indiana passionate point.
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Speaker 9 (38:12):
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Speaker 15 (38:15):
Right?
Speaker 9 (38:17):
Uh?
Speaker 10 (38:17):
I got a comment on the Russell Wilson.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (38:21):
I think people are just hating on Risks because right
now is easy. He's more of a suburb less inner
city and I think that's why people like Sherman or
other guys probably don't like him. But remember he came
into the league with Luck and RG three and they
all made their postseason their rookie year, but it was
rest who have a long term success.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, and you know, and Chris Sims basically said that
it's kind of likability and thank you for the phone call,
tim uh Keith and Chico Hi, Keith, welcome.
Speaker 11 (38:52):
Back, Hey Dan, good morning. I also had a couple
of comments on the Russell Wilson situation. I just think
we need to remember what Russ had to work with
in Seattle. From what I remember, Russ wasn't playing with
a bunch of elite offensive skill guys during those runs.
Sure he had Marshawn but some fun play calling as well,
but his wide receivers were all pretty short guys, all
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had solid hands and rout running, but no Hall of Famers.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
No, no, he didn't have what else.
Speaker 11 (39:21):
I also think some of the Seahawks resent Russ for
not changing the play on that Super Bowl interception at
the one, and I think that's where a lot of
the Richard Sherman disrespect stems.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
But in fairness to him, he didn't call the play.
Thank you, Keith, and if you believe and what has
kind of lingered out there that this was Daryl Bebell
and you know Pete wanting Russ to be the MVP.
And if he throws the touchdown, then he's the MVP.
If Marshawn runs it in, is he the MVP. And
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if that factored in, it's kind of crazy. I still
would have had a run pass option with Russ, But
what do I know?
Speaker 12 (40:02):
Yeah, Smart, that might be the most important play as
far as legacy shaping and NFL history. Tom Brady loses
a third Super Bowl w a crazy Remember the curse
catch was another crazy catch before that, and Tom Brady
was maybe a yard away from Saint Gosh, I'm about
to lose on another crazy catch. Instead, he wins another
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one in the legion to Boom and Russell Wilson. They
have two Super Bowls. We're probably never having this conversation
about a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
You're right, yeah, yeah, PAULI.
Speaker 7 (40:32):
The play before a minute left, New England's up twenty
eight twenty four. They run left tackle Marshawn Lynch. He
gets tripped up at the one. He's probably a foot
and a half from scoring on that play, and it's
never as brought up again. Patriots would have got the
ball back with a little more time and two timeouts.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
But I thought they were gonna let him score.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
It would have been a smart move if they score
on that play. The Patriots get the ball back with
fifty five seconds and two timeouts.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I thought they were gonna let Marshawn score. And man,
I'm staring at marsh On during that play. I'm just
watching him because I'm gonna I have my phone out.
I'm gonna I'm gonna capture this on my phone and
then uh, you know, I'll be on the podium handing
the super Bowl Trophy to the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
All of a sudden, I'm.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Like, what, oh bleep? And I thought, oh man, they
dodged a bullet. That's inter incomplete.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
H not so fast.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
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have the most must win game of the weekend coming
up a little bit later on as well. Seahawks hold
off the Cardinals and Seattle now improves to three and one,
a quiet three and one. By the way, Viking Steelers
will be in Ireland coming up on Sunday morning. Some
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he'll be your leading candidate for MVP. The Colts and
the Rams, Ravens, Chiefs, Bengals, and the Broncos, just to
name a few. College football weekend as well. Will run
down some of those games. My favorite game is Washington
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hosting Ohio State because Washington is good at home. They
got a really good offense and that went from ten
and a half down to seven and a half.
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We've talked about quarterbacks. We certainly did in the first
hour that felt like there was I don't know piling
on last night on Thursday Night Football with Tony Gonzalez
and Richard Sherman talking about Russell Wilson not being a
(04:28):
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
We watch Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Kyler Murray has as much talent as anybody who's played
that position. It feels like, and I think I've said
this many times and I would say it too Kyler Murray,
it almost came too easy for him. And this isn't
all on him, but I still believe sometimes when you
have too much talent. You think you can get away
(04:52):
with more. You try to extend the play. Lamar Jackson
does this, Caleb Williams does this. Kyler Murray trying to
make a play. You're so used to making a play.
I could do this in high school, I could do
this in college. You can't do this consistently in the NFL.
And Lamar Jackson's doing less of this, even though he
just got sacked what seven times by the Lions. Kyler
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Murray got sacked what six times last night? Those are
horrible numbers. He shouldn't be getting sacked that many times now. Granted,
offensive lines they vary and how good they are, but
a quarterback can still get rid of the ball. I
don't care how good the rush is. You can still
get rid of the ball. And I think a lot
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of these quarterbacks now don't want to throw, whether take
a chance for an interception or an incompletion. Everybody is
kind of caught up in these numbers here certainly touchdown
to interception ratio. And I brought it up yesterday that
somebody had told me it was Russ trying to guard
his numbers because the last drive that he had the
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Giants you throw it out of the end zone like
he threw passes that couldn't be caught by anybody, and
you didn't give your team a chance. And somebody former
quarterback said, sometimes you start to guard your stats late
in your career. And Russ has the fifth best touchdown
to interception ratio in the history of the game. He
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was fourth a month ago. But last night Richard Sherman,
former teammate and Tony Gonzalez, said, basically, Russ is washed
and the Legion of Boom is the reason why he
was successful in Seattle. I don't think either of those
are correct. Do I think he could still play for
the Bengals. Would he be an upgrade over Jake Browning?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I do.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I do believe that, and I do the Legion of
Boom was unbelievable. But Russ in the last five years
put up incredible numbers for a team that didn't have
a good defense. The offense stayed the same, scoring twenty
five points on averag The defense was giving up twenty
five points, but Russ did his part. The last couple
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of years haven't been good at all, And I think
recency bias. Everybody has his strong opinion about Russell Wilson.
Cam Newton had some things to say about two a
tongue of Iiloa. He said that he's making more than
Mahomes and Herbert Lamar Jackson, Hurts Mayfield, Stafford, Jaden Daniels,
(07:27):
and he is trying to put things into perspective. He
sees Tua and it feels like he's not all in.
He said, when you're being paid what you're asked to do,
what you have the capability of, from one quarterback to another,
I look at the situation like, come on, dog, especially
(07:49):
when you've got a Ferrari and a Lamborghini and other
amenities that other quarterbacks don't or wish they had. So
that's you know, you have Jalen Waddle, have Tyreek Kill.
So here is Tua talking about Cam Newton.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Anybody can play quarterback in this league, then, I mean
I want to see anybody on the streets come and
play quarterback. I mean, Cam Cam's doing his thing, for sure,
but you know, to it's I think it's easier to
be able to hold a clicker and talk about it
that way, or talk about what someone else is doing
wrong when you're you're not going out and having to
(08:26):
do the same as them, right.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So I think it's it's it's all.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
It's easy to do that. I think anybody can do that.
I don't think anybody can play quarterback.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Well, to hold on, Cam was an MVP. Cam went
to a Super Bowl. Cam was a great quarterback. He's
not a clipboard holder. He's not Chase Daniel breaking down
film or Dan or Lobsky. Well, no, I like he
could critique those guys because they didn't play at a
(08:56):
high level, okay, or as often. But now all of
a sudden, you know, you can take anybody off the street.
That's not what Cam was saying. You have weapons, you're accurate,
and you should be better. And he played the position.
Now if I say it, Tua can say what does
(09:17):
he know? And he would be right. But you can't
say that about Cam Newton. Cam played the position at
a very high level. He helped carry an offense to
the Super Bowl. I mean to get to the postseason
and win a game, and yes, this is what happens.
(09:40):
You know, you got a big you got a big contract,
and you didn't deserve that contract. They never should have
given you that contract based off your health and some
of the results against quality teams. They should have made
you play one more year and then franchise you, and
then franchise you. They went all in and they'll regret that.
(10:05):
But Cam has every right to be able to be
critical of your quarterback plaque. He's not a clipboard holder.
Let's see a couple of phone calls in here a Seaton.
What's the whole question for hour or two? We got
two of them up there. Let's see we put two
up for our one. We have vikings. Letting Sam Donald
(10:27):
leave was right at the time, or we'll haunt them.
We'll hunt them as sixty two percent of that vote
the NFL franchise that.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
How many times were you voting PAULI for? That will
haunt them.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
I'm not a hunter.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, but you're a Sam Donalder.
Speaker 7 (10:39):
I'm a donaldist.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yes, you're a Donald. Oh my god, early.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
You were in Early. I didn't hear from you when
he was in like Carolina and some of these other places.
Lying and you were playing the longest Okay, it was
a big forty nine ers era.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Huge Now that they got a real quarterback, Watch out,
Sam and I are.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Playing the law game, Dan, What else do you have?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
NFL franchise that feels least competitive year to year. Your options.
There are Cardinals, Brown's, Jets, other right now the Jets.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I would have voted for the Jets as well. I
would that's a mess, you know, when you see. I
saw a Jets fan.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
He had his jersey on and he was in the
supermarket on Sunday and I said, hey, good luck, and
he looked at me and he goes about what And
I said, no, your team. He goes, oh, we need
more in luck, we need talent, And I said, okay,
I don't know. Seems like they're on an uptick with
(11:43):
Aaron Glenn nearly pulled out the win against Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I'm just trying to be nice, you know.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
I think that's what's maybe more frustrating about the Jets.
I think they have a talented roster. I mean, they've
got a very good wide receiver, a very good cornerback, Sauce.
They were aggressive trying to get even when they traded
up for Sanchez. They are aggressive. They spend and it
never works. They are not a franchise that doesn't spend
or doesn't try things and it just doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And I don't think they've had good coaches, haven't been
able to find, you know, their next Joe Namath And
I don't know. It just always feels like it's an
inferior product because you're playing in giant stadium.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You're the Jets and you play in giant stadium, Yes, Todd.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
How does one gauge a culture change, which is what
Aaron Glenn spoke about before he took the job, Other
than wins and losses, when how many moral victories can
you have? You know, as far as a culture change
and going in the right direction if you're not still winning.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I haven't been involved in something like that where it's
a culture change. I was hoping for one my first
year at Eastern Kentucky, but then I realized that I
was the one who was going to have to change.
You are the culture change. Let's get rid of that guy. Yeah,
get rid of Golden Boy. By golly, Golden Boy, get
out of here. But I don't, you know, Dan Campbell,
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that's a culture change. I think Pete Carroll had a
culture change, whether it was with USC or Seattle. I
remember asking Pete, I said, man, you're leaving USC to
go to Seattle, And he said, there's a that's a
hidden I forget what it was, but it was something hidden.
There's a lot of talent there and he was probably
getting away from USC with sanctions.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Loomy.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Let me see Zach and Knoxville. Hey, Zach, what's on
your mind today?
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Hedp? Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Two things.
Speaker 9 (13:36):
One, everything you were just saying about Tua and what
Cam said minus to injuries, I would put on Kyler Murray.
Speaker 10 (13:44):
I don't think.
Speaker 8 (13:45):
He's a starting quarterback in.
Speaker 10 (13:46):
The league and that's just my take.
Speaker 8 (13:49):
And to take a big left turn.
Speaker 9 (13:51):
Since you dabble in the arts, I wanted to know
if you have any comments on the ri Odd Comedy
Festival that's coming up, since it's seen like sports washing
is making its way into other avenues of entertainment.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I haven't delved into it. I don't know anything about
who's going to be over there. I know Shane Gillis
turned it down, but I have no idea who's going
to be involved in it. So thanks for the phone call.
Zac James in Austin, Hi James, what's on your mind?
Speaker 10 (14:30):
Hey Bee?
Speaker 8 (14:30):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
You doing man good?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I had a T shirt idea okay, and maybe it's.
Speaker 11 (14:35):
More of a philosophy for how fast Todd goes off
the rails but gone in forty seconds?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Ooh man, one of my favorite movies, by the way,
Gone in sixty seconds, Angelina, jo Lee, Nicholas Cage, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Is that a good bad movie or a good hockey movie?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
But see they could have been The Fast and Furious?
Speaker 8 (14:58):
Were they first?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Or I think they had a checking I think they
had it. Nicholas Cage, his name like Montana Range or
something like that something.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Yeah, Memphis Rains, give me.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
A blue though, Giovanni Ribisi.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, yeah, but Angeline and Julie. It was like sort
of like the tweaker engine guy.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, Robert, Robert Duval, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 12 (15:23):
The best part is that's not to me. That's not
even his best great bad movie. It's Connye the accent alone.
I told you I was going to get that doll back.
However you said it, John Malkovich.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Nicholas Cage plays Cameron Poe and Conny Air.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, but how about pig.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Different eras though that's different. You can't include the pig
era in the con Air the rock era.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I want my pig, I want my pig.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Gone in sixty seconds, came out one year before.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
They could have been Fast and Furious, and.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
You're before Fast and Furious. Yes, better hockey movie. Gone
in sixty seconds, original Fast and Furious.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
That's insulting to the Fast and Furious franchise.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Fast and Furious. Hey had it.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
As soon as I saw it, I said, oh my god,
you got great cars and hot women. That was the
original table that it should have been. It should have
been hot women, great cars.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Yes time, I'm embarrassed to say I was gone in
like fifteen seconds. But everyone's different.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Than find a break, Take a break.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Chris Simms will join us right after this Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
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Speaker 13 (16:45):
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Speaker 14 (16:53):
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Speaker 13 (17:08):
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Speaker 14 (17:12):
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Speaker 8 (17:32):
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Speaker 3 (17:47):
More phone calls coming up these Chris Sims Pro Football
Talk Live, co host, also his podcast Unbuttoned and a
contributor to Football Night in America. Where is this dislike discrediting,
hatred or whatever it might be? With Russell Wilson coming
from that, now it's a topic is he playing his
(18:09):
way out of the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 15 (18:11):
Well, yeah, I mean, you know, first off, I don't
think I had him in the Hall of Fame anyways,
So I think that's still a debatable topic there a
little bit, all right, NFL legend, right, one of the
better quarterbacks of our era for sure, but hall of Fame.
I'm not really ready to say that about Russell Wilson.
Speaker 8 (18:28):
Now. The criticism, you know, again, I.
Speaker 15 (18:32):
Think a lot of it has to do with his play,
and I think a little bit has to do with
his personality and how he's viewed, not only by the public,
but how people view him. I think in the football world,
in locker room stuff like that. Right, We've seen a
number of locker rooms that, Yeah, Russell Wilson's a nice guy,
But is he a leader?
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Is he one of the guys? Right?
Speaker 15 (18:50):
Is he respected like one of the guys? I think
that's been debatable at certain places. There was a lot
of talk of that last year in Pittsburgh, Denver. You
didn't hear anybody there sticking up going, man, he really
got a raw deal there, right, You didn't really hear
about it in Seattle either, and he kind of forced
his way out of that situation. So I think between
that acting maybe like he's a Hall of Famer and
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then playing like he's barely a starter in the NFL,
that's probably where we are right now. As far as
the criticism around Russell Wilson, it feels like Matthew Stafford
is a bro and he'd never been a Pro Bowl
quarterback or one time, never been an MVP, right, but
he won a Super Bowl, Yeah, and that feels like
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that alone is going to get him into the Hall
of Fame. Well, I think there's some different circumstances there
where I go. You know, Matthew Stafford for me for
a while, was the only reason Detroit was ever in
any conversations about being in the playoffs at all. Right,
he was almost his own worst enemy in the fact
that he was so good he made them eight to
eight and they might have gotten the playoffs or didn't
(19:55):
but lost them the first round or whatever, and people say, oh, look,
he couldn't get in the playoffs or he choked in
the playoffs, when it was like, no, they weren't really
a playoff team. They got there because he's so amazing.
So that's where I would stick up for him. He
was the football team there, and then you saw as
soon as he got with a team that could support.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
Him at all, it was like, Boom, I'm gonna win
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 15 (20:15):
And Russell Wilson's I think, is a little different than that,
where Hey, some good years, certainly, but we know the
legion of Boom and that defense and run game.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
Were the most important parts of that football team early
on in his career.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, but I can look at this and say that
Russ got with a team that was really good and
he won. He went to two Super Bowls, Whereas when
he's not with a good team, he still took Pittsburgh
to the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
Yeah, he took Putsford the playoffs.
Speaker 15 (20:38):
But the passing offense and everything around him has been
the question, right, And I don't think that's been the
question around Matthew Stafford. We are never like, I don't
know if the passing offense is gonna work with Matthew Stafford.
We've gotten to a point here where you've seen one
of the greatest offensive mines in the history of football.
And Sean Payton go through a half a year ago
it ain't gonna work. It's not gonna work. We're going
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to ask him to take off the guarantees of his
contract next year. That's how much it's not gonna work.
I'm gonna bench him for Jared Stidham. So I think
with all of that, and then yeah, last year there
was some moments, but again he's limited in what he
can do.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
Dan right, because he can't run and scramble anymore.
Speaker 15 (21:19):
He's not very good playing within the pocket, and he
doesn't really work at whole offense.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
He's never surgical, as I would say.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But he was up a resume, Chris. He had.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yes, he built up a ten year career and whether
you value Pro Bowls or not.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, I hear you, And I respect all
of that. I do.
Speaker 15 (21:39):
He had a lot of awesome years. There's no doubt
about that. And I'm not saying I'm right about the
Hall of Fame thing. That's just my opinion, and I'm
sure there's other people that are smart in football that
may be differ in that. So I understand the resume
and all that, but I also think within the resume
and resume, the team he had and all that, it
was set up so perfectly for him to look awesome, right,
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and he obviously.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Didn't like it there.
Speaker 15 (22:03):
He wanted to be more of a guy like Josh
Allen and Patrick Mahomes where everything was around him, and
we're seeing that the physical talents are not there of
that like those guys right there, and he can't do it.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Talking to Chris Sim's Pro Football Talk Live co host,
the show that preceiges hours on Peacock, you can see
him on Football Night in America. How long should we
wait for Kyler Murray?
Speaker 15 (22:27):
I think we've waited long enough. There's no longer, there's
no longer to wait. It's like, hey, dude, you gotta
make some plays. We got to win some football games.
We got to win some of these tough post games here. Yeah,
Kyler Murray is the guy that's floating in that area
of He's got some talent that makes you think he
could be a top ten quarterback or elite, but there's
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other issues in his game that make him look real average.
And you saw the game last night, there's lots of
moments there where yeah, it is real average, and you
expect him to make a few plays on the run
that he didn't make last night some of those throws.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
So, yeah, I'm a.
Speaker 15 (23:01):
Little disappointed in Kyler Murray. I expected more out of
him by this time of his career. And yeah, he's
getting to that point where if some results don't happen,
you know, they're gonna be looking for changes out there
in Arizona in the next year or two. And Marvin
Harrison was a sure thing. Well he was yeah to
a lot. You know, I knew he was really good.
You know, you're talking to one guy here that when
(23:23):
I you know, I thought it was a little.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Overhyped coming out right.
Speaker 15 (23:27):
I mean again, really good, And I know he can
still be really good.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
He's on the right path.
Speaker 15 (23:32):
The problem is is people tried to make him like
the greatest superstar ever. And I was like, wait, I mean,
there wasn't a ton of separation in college. I don't
see slants where he went for eighty yards after Meanwhile,
those guys we saw at LSU Molik Neighbors and Brian
Thomas Junior, who are the guys I had at the
top of Lewis that year. I was going, they're running
by everybody, They're leaving everybody in the dust. Right, So
(23:55):
I think all of that has kind of played into
this Marvin Harrison thing. Let alone, their offense isn't great
as well, so that doesn't lend itself to great passing
yards and stats either.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
How often does this happen? What happened to Cam Newton
with Tua? Because two is saying, Oh, you know, anybody
I guess can play quarterback and you know you can?
He like, how dare you criticize him? And I was
I was surprised that two has said that since we
know that you know, Cam had a pretty storied career,
(24:25):
but you didn't have that. But you're a great analyst.
How often do you get what do you know about
the position? Or how dare you critique me?
Speaker 8 (24:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (24:34):
That's always I mean, you know, I haven't got that
from players and anything like that.
Speaker 8 (24:39):
I think, you know, most people in the NFL.
Speaker 15 (24:42):
No, I'm pretty connected and obsessed with the sport and
study it like mad and know what I'm talking about
a little bit. Now, I get that from fans and
I see that on my social media.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
Like, oh, your career sucked? How could you talk about
this guy?
Speaker 15 (24:55):
You know? All? So I always hear that type of
stuff that comes with the job. That does mean I'm
not good at evaluating players and knowing the game and
understanding it that way either. And I can talk it
really good too. So yeah, there's all that. And you know, again,
one of my themes of my year on my podcast
at all of that a little bit is, you know,
(25:16):
is to challenge some of these teams and what they've
done with these quarterback contracts.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Hey to us being paid like.
Speaker 15 (25:23):
He's Lamar, like he's Josh Allen, like he's Patrick Mahomes,
Then sorry, team, I'm gonna blame you. I want to
see those results that I'm gonna blame that quarterback too.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
I am.
Speaker 15 (25:33):
I don't know where we've gotten to this mold that
we're gonna pay the quarterback four times more as much
money than the best players on the football team, even
when the quarterbacks are middle of the road in the
NFL and nobody in football is gonna pay two of
fifty five million dollars a year. I mean, they literally
negotiated against themselves. So now they want to wonder why
they're in this spot. And when you make when you
(25:53):
make a statements that I can't do half the things
Josh Allen does when you're getting ready to play them,
and you're being paid just like them, and and okay,
the rubber meets the road there. That doesn't make sense.
And I feel like we have a little of that
in the NFL right now, where there's four or five
guys that deserve to be paid like they are everybody else.
I want to go, it's a little crazy, and agents
(26:15):
and gms have fooled the rest of the world that
the quarterbacks are so much worth more money than everybody
else on the football team.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Should the Cowboys acknowledge Micah Parsons in a.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Celebratory way prior to the game?
Speaker 8 (26:31):
I mean, I'm old school.
Speaker 15 (26:33):
I don't give a damn if they do, right, But
at the same time, it would probably be the classy
thing to do to make a little acknowledgment for one
of the better players there that they've had in recent history,
who also, you know, lefts.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
In a little bit of a weird situation, right, I
mean just a little bit, just a little.
Speaker 15 (26:53):
Bit, and we took under the you know, you know,
below the belt shots at them through the whole process
and trying to change the rules of the CVA. And
we don't want his agent to negotiate because he might
know what he's talking about in negotiations and contracts.
Speaker 8 (27:05):
We'd rather talk about it as to the football player.
So yeah, do I think that would be the classy
thing to do.
Speaker 15 (27:11):
I would, But if they don't do it, I'm not
going to sit there and drag the Cowboys. He's only
been there a short period of time. This is not
like it's a Randy White or Ed two tall Jones.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Finish this sentence. Daniel Jones is.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
Is a lot better than people realize.
Speaker 15 (27:28):
And that's one of my favorite Well why because he's
got all the physical tools and the mentality to be
good at quarterback. You know the thing I always say,
right jokingly, I'm like, get and you'd probably said it
to you before. If you're around crap all the time,
you start to smell like crap, and crap gets on
you and then all of a sudden you don't look
so good. Say Quon Barkley was a bust up with
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the New York Giants. They should have never picked him
the number two. And then he goes to a team
like the Eagles and we go, is he the best
running back I've ever seen in my life? So yeah,
the support system wasn't correct for Daniel Jones, let alone,
just the climate around him. You know, it's the New
York fans being so critical, playing for a coach who
didn't really draft him, right, and Brian Dayball and I
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don't know if he was totally invested there.
Speaker 8 (28:12):
So now you're.
Speaker 15 (28:13):
Seeing you put a little offense around him, You give
him a few answers, you protect him a little bit.
Oh my gosh, Daniel Jones can make a lot happen,
just like Sam Darnold, just like Baker Mayfield, just like
sa Juan Barkley. It's a team sport. You need some support.
You're not not everybody Superman.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Which the most must win game of the weekend? Oh
all right, so that's a good one.
Speaker 15 (28:34):
I do look at the Broncos being one and two
on Monday night, going they better win that one against
the Bengals, right, who are not playing good football, who
are miraculously two and one even though they've been out
played in every game. I think the most one must
win is the Ravens Chiefs game. I don't think there's
any doubt about that. I still think the Ravens are
a really good football team. I mean, if Derrick Henry
doesn't fumble against Buffalo, they probably win. If he doesn't
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fumble the other night, it's gonna be a nail bier
right between the Detroit Lions. So I still look at
them as one of the top teams in football. The Chiefs,
on the other hand, I do not. I've been one
all year that's kind of said, this is not the
year they're going to do it in the AFC West,
and it's been worse than I expected. The receiver injuries
have certainly been a big part of that. But yeah,
the Chiefs are a team right now that I look
at and I go it's not close. So I'm not like, Ooh,
(29:19):
I like this. If they get this straight, watch out
they're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
To me a little bit here, we don't teach tackling anymore,
it feels like, but we are teaching punching the ball
out right right at any point, and I don't want
to be a buzzkill. Does the NFL legislate a violent
act of trying to punch a ball out?
Speaker 8 (29:44):
Probably not, I don't think so.
Speaker 15 (29:48):
I don't think they'll ever be enough there, and I
think it just adds too much to the excitement of
the football game. I think the NFL wants excitement, they
want big plays, they want turnovers, they want points and
all that, and that's a big part of it. And
to your point, yeah, we don't practice tackling as much
anymore because of all the rules and and everything's just
different to where you can't hit the same But at
the same point, the tackling is also falling off because
(30:12):
I can tell you that defensive players are going, hey,
when you get in there, the coaches are going hold
them up so Johnny can come by and knock the
ball out, and that leads to bad pocket tackling too.
But no, I don't think that's going anywhere here anytime soon.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Paulie insists that I ask you this question about the
Vikings in Sam Donald because nobody, nobody loves Sam Donald
more than Pauline. Right, will the Vikings regret moving on
from Sam Donald?
Speaker 15 (30:39):
Well, they're definitely in a spot right now where you
don't know where it's gonna go, right. I think that's
that Like with JJ McCarthy, the fact that he didn't
play his rookie year.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
Here we are year two.
Speaker 15 (30:52):
It was a little shaky in the game, and the
half that he did play right and now we're and
now we're gonna wait few weeks for his development. And
you go, oh, I don't know where this quarterback situation is.
Did it go for the rest of the year. It
might be a problem. They might really have to manage it. Yeah,
from that standpoint, they're gonna I think they're gonna regret
it this year, but I think the long play, they
(31:13):
will not regret it when it's all said and done.
I still believe in JJ McCarthy and more of that.
I just believe it. No, I mean Kevin O'Connell and
his ability to groom these quarterbacks and make them, you know,
pretty awesome.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
On the field.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, I'm I'm all in on that. I just didn't
see that. JJ McCarthy, Oh my gosh, man. And yeah, yeah,
I hear you, And I trust your judgment as much,
if not more so, than anybody. I just don't I
didn't see it at Michigan. He wasn't featured at Michigan.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
No, you're right, that's the fair point.
Speaker 15 (31:43):
And you know that year coming out, I had them
five out of those six great quarterbacks that all went
in the first round, right because of some of the
things you said, Right, there was a part of you
that goes, wait, I like that he has to play
NFL football where it's not just spread and easy throws,
and he's playing in Michigan where it's play action and
throw the ball down the field. But to your point, yeah,
I didn't like that we might go a quarter without
(32:04):
him even throwing the football.
Speaker 8 (32:06):
That's a little crazy.
Speaker 15 (32:07):
And the thing I think you're seeing too that he
has to work on is he's only got one club
in the bag.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
He only has the driver, he only has the fastball.
We don't see any like flick flick of the wrist
throws any side arm and he you know, laying it
over the linebackers and touching it to the second level
to a tight end.
Speaker 15 (32:26):
That's where he has to grow. To me, every throw
he makes that's good is really just the fastball.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Hardball and what he's doing with justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I don't know if it's tangible that you see something
that he's a different quarterback. Yes, and I think Jim
builds in almost bumpers rails for Herbert that he's going
to be successful. But I don't know exactly what Jim
is doing, but it looks different.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
Well, he's an ex quarterback.
Speaker 15 (32:57):
He makes the quarterbacks feel like he's in the fight
with them, right like, I'm out there playing with you,
I'm supporting you. I know it's not easy, and I
think that's always great for a quarterback because it's not
easy and not a lot of people could put themselves
in their shoes that way. And he also, I think,
is trying to change the culture there. And let's not
forget the Chargers. Chargering was a big thing, them screwing
up games, doing everything there. He's changed that aspect about
(33:20):
the football team, and within that, he's got to change
kind of the mindset of the quarterback who's leading the charge.
I think there's two things that I look at. One,
watch this Sunday. He gets mad at his teammates. Now
he yells a little bit. That's what I like to see.
The second thing is he's jetting outside the pocket and
making plays out there. That was the only era he
(33:41):
really lacked behind the great ones mahomes Lamar Josh Allen Burrow.
Right when the defense would win against those guys, those
guys still made a play and got a twenty yard game.
Where you go, man, that was the perfect defense, the
perfect pass rush. But they still made it happen, almost
imposing their will that way. I don't think Herbert was
like that, but you're seeing that this year, and he's
(34:01):
playing as good as anybody in the NFL right now
at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Good appearance, have a good weekend. Great to talk to
you again, Chris, Thank you, thanks a lot man Thanks you. See,
now that's Chris Sims Pro Football. He didn't even say anything.
You says say he loo to the knuckleheads there, the
jerks over there that maybe he's locked in. Yeah, maybe
bring Chris back and see if he wants to say that. Uh,
(34:27):
is Chris still there?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Thank's going? Yeah, that was quick.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Okay, we don't need to be called We get called
jerks a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I'm okay to.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Skip that one time. I don't know, just my thoughts.
Pro Football Talk Live co host Chris Sims. When we
come back, are we doing the most must win game
of the weekend next or we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Wait a little bit.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
Oh we're gonna wait on that.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Oh okay, mmw gootw okay, We're gonna slide into the weekend,
some of the matchups, more of your phone calls as well.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
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Speaker 3 (35:09):
Miss Lane Kiffin has told everybody to take the over
in this game, Oregon against Penn State, a rematch of
the Big Ten title game. That's a big one right now.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, Oregon, that's a big one.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
One. Seven Alabama Georgia. Georgia has won thirty three consecutive
games at home. That's the longest active streak in college football,
NFL Ravens Chiefs, somebody's going to one in three. And
then you got the Packers and the Cowboys. Perhaps you've
heard of that matchup. Micah Parsons makes his return to Dallas.
(35:45):
I got the Packers favored by seven? Is that right, West? Yeah,
that seems like a lot. Packers by seven. They'll sleep
on Indiana at Iowa. I'm hot on that. Oh, I know,
love that game. Yeah, seems like Hey, I never thought
I'd say this. Indiana and Iowa.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
I've never looked forward to that matchup more than I
have this year. That is a big game.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Yeah, Pauline, I have a trap game. Notre Dame at Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, I know Arkansas.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
They beat themselves twice this year. Otherwise they're four and.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Oh I think Notre Dame favored by foreigner.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
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mind today?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Greg?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Brandon in Illinois, Hi Brandon, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8 (36:54):
DP? What'sought?
Speaker 15 (36:55):
Man?
Speaker 8 (36:55):
Its first time long time six foot one one nineties?
I had an idea for Todd.
Speaker 10 (37:02):
Sure, I thought section roll.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Speed Ooh okay, all right, we got to decide on
a T shirt here by the end of the show,
and then it'll be available at Dan Patrick dot com. Todd,
how social media been to you?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
They've kind of laid up me a little bit.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Okay, it's still more negative than positive camping and let
us get through move.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Over, but it's changed your driving.
Speaker 10 (37:26):
It actually has.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
It's in my head. I'm like, I'm more cognizanto that
And if you feel like I'm in someone's way that
I'm moving over.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
That's very nice. Timothy in Vegas, Hi, tim what's on
your mind?
Speaker 7 (37:37):
The reason seat and I are laughing. Tod is getting
to giving his explanation and tailing off, and you just
take it and go.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
And it's like the second or third time today that
you've done that.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
It was a little dismissive.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
I tend to ramble, so somewhere in the middle of
your rudeness and me not knowing when to stop talking.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
If you go your briefer, then I won't be.
Speaker 8 (37:58):
I know there's a middle ground there.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
You're like, Okay, you're just going We've all been there.
Speaker 8 (38:03):
Alex Jeff from Indiana passionate point.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Us Timothy and back now I only do it to you. Hey,
tim how are you doing?
Speaker 9 (38:12):
Five?
Speaker 10 (38:13):
Six?
Speaker 15 (38:15):
Right?
Speaker 9 (38:17):
Uh?
Speaker 10 (38:17):
I got a comment on the Russell Wilson.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (38:21):
I think people are just hating on Risks because right
now is easy. He's more of a suburb less inner
city and I think that's why people like Sherman or
other guys probably don't like him. But remember he came
into the league with Luck and RG three and they
all made their postseason their rookie year, but it was
rest who have a long term success.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, and you know, and Chris Sims basically said that
it's kind of likability and thank you for the phone call,
tim uh Keith and Chico Hi, Keith, welcome.
Speaker 11 (38:52):
Back, Hey Dan, good morning. I also had a couple
of comments on the Russell Wilson situation. I just think
we need to remember what Russ had to work with
in Seattle. From what I remember, Russ wasn't playing with
a bunch of elite offensive skill guys during those runs.
Sure he had Marshawn but some fun play calling as well,
but his wide receivers were all pretty short guys, all
(39:14):
had solid hands and rout running, but no Hall of Famers.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
No, no, he didn't have what else.
Speaker 11 (39:21):
I also think some of the Seahawks resent Russ for
not changing the play on that Super Bowl interception at
the one, and I think that's where a lot of
the Richard Sherman disrespect stems.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
But in fairness to him, he didn't call the play.
Thank you, Keith, and if you believe and what has
kind of lingered out there that this was Daryl Bebell
and you know Pete wanting Russ to be the MVP.
And if he throws the touchdown, then he's the MVP.
If Marshawn runs it in, is he the MVP. And
(39:53):
if that factored in, it's kind of crazy. I still
would have had a run pass option with Russ, But
what do I know?
Speaker 12 (40:02):
Yeah, Smart, that might be the most important play as
far as legacy shaping and NFL history. Tom Brady loses
a third Super Bowl w a crazy Remember the curse
catch was another crazy catch before that, and Tom Brady
was maybe a yard away from Saint Gosh, I'm about
to lose on another crazy catch. Instead, he wins another
(40:24):
one in the legion to Boom and Russell Wilson. They
have two Super Bowls. We're probably never having this conversation
about a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
You're right, yeah, yeah, PAULI.
Speaker 7 (40:32):
The play before a minute left, New England's up twenty
eight twenty four. They run left tackle Marshawn Lynch. He
gets tripped up at the one. He's probably a foot
and a half from scoring on that play, and it's
never as brought up again. Patriots would have got the
ball back with a little more time and two timeouts.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
But I thought they were gonna let him score.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
It would have been a smart move if they score
on that play. The Patriots get the ball back with
fifty five seconds and two timeouts.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I thought they were gonna let Marshawn score. And man,
I'm staring at marsh On during that play. I'm just
watching him because I'm gonna I have my phone out.
I'm gonna I'm gonna capture this on my phone and
then uh, you know, I'll be on the podium handing
the super Bowl Trophy to the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
All of a sudden, I'm.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Like, what, oh bleep? And I thought, oh man, they
dodged a bullet. That's inter incomplete.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
H not so fast.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
What is the most must win game of the weekend
and who had the best week in sports? We'll have
that for you a final hour in this meet Friday.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
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