October 6, 2025 • 43 mins
DP reacts to a busy weekend in the NFL and in college football. Former NFL QB Chase Daniel calls the Cardinals' collapse the "worst loss of the weekend” and is all-in on Drake Maye's rise. CFB analyst Greg McElroy doesn't mince words after Penn State's shocking loss to UCLA and sees Oregon-Indiana's showdown this weekend as likely to shape the Heisman race.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hope you had a great weekend. Everybody. Gang's all here,
ready to go. The lovely and talented Fritzie and his
Bronco gear after a big win. Congratulations Toddler, Go Broncos.
That didn't sound enthusiasmical, Broncos. There you go.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Have We got the Jets next in London. We better
win that one too.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Uh. Seaton's here, Marv, Paul yours truly in the backroom, guys,
A lot of things to dissect today. Last night, if
you went to bed, you're not alone, Patriot, well you
might have been alone. Patriots over the Bills, Surprise, surprise.
Drake May looks like he's ready for the spotlight. The
Commanders quietly handled the Chargers. I watched a lot of
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that game, and I kept waiting for the Chargers to
be that new and improved Chargers. Give credit to the
Commanders and the Buccaneers. You know, don't turn the game
off at final two minutes. You know, that's when the
Bucks seemed to pull out all of these wins as
they beat the Seahawks in a shootout.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Colts.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I still believe that the Colts are a playoff team.
They rolled the Raiders. The Raiders may have a decision
to make a quarterback. The Saints gotta win. About Spencer Rattler? Yay,
beat the g Men, the Texans over the Ravens. We'll
talk about that game and a little bit. And the
Titans won. Yeah, well, no, that's Arizona lost. Titans didn't win.
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Arizona lost. Baseball Toronto up two to zero, when the Yankees,
Tigers and Mariners tighter to game, the piece Brewers up
one zero, when the Cubs Dodgers up one. Oh, in
the Phillies tonight, you have the Dodgers at the Phillies,
Cubs at the Brewers, and the Chiefs and the Jaguars.
I got the Chiefs favored by three and a half.
All right, Seaton Poll question for hour one is going
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to be.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Well, we got to populate this one because, as we
usually start off on Mondays, who had the worst weekend? Oh,
there's a lot of candidates here, Okay, I mean we
could start with, well, Kyler Murray didn't have a great weekend,
didn't have the worst weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, but I'm not gonna blame him. I'm gonna be
oh he did. After the game, he was kind of
like stumbling around trying to figure out what exactly happened.
I mean, the odds are incredible when you look at
the possibility. Okay, I've got the numbers here. Let's see,
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Arizona gave up a twenty one to three lead and
they lost. They've lost three games now, and they did
it in such dramatic fashion that so they've lost three
straight games on game winning field goals, the first team
to do that since the merger in nineteen seventy. They
go even further than that. Teams that had by twenty
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two points or more in the fourth quarter were one
two hundred and seventy six to one over the last
twenty five seasons to close out win. So some pretty
impressive numbers there for Arizona as they stumbled, bumbled, fumbled
their way to giving the Titans a win.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
Yeah, Paul, if you're not watching that game and you
see the Democado the running back fumble, he's going into
the end zone.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
I think it was like a seventy yard run.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
He's going to close out that, you know, put them
in a lead that they can't come back up from,
and he just lays the ball down to this is
a guy who's a bounce around running back. He's kind
of a backup who's having a nice year. He's got
four career touchdowns, he doesn't have forty, and he just
lays it down. I mean, what does a coach do
in a situation like that in game and after the game?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Oh, after the game, I think gets a long talk
and then you know, you start to figure out if
you're gonna have playing time reduced. I mean, you do
need him. He did have a seventy five yard run.
He has the ability. But whatever happened to when Emmett
Smith would score a touchdown, he'd take the football and
take it over to the sidelines and give it to
the trainer and he would write down, you know this
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touchdown came on this day, and that would be it.
He would keep all of his footballs. I don't know
what's going on now where you just get to the
front door and it's like you're dropping off a newspaper
and then you're gonna leave. But that was embarrassing. They
also had an interception that turned into a touchdown with
Tyler Lockett. I mean, you want to talk about a
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way to lose a game that is up there in
NFL history. Congratulations you did at Arizona and the Titans
got a victory. The Jets are winless. You know, I
keep waiting for culture. We're big on culture. You know,
we talk about culture and guys, you know, Aaron Glenn's
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gonna come over and he was with the Lions. He
knows about culture. But after the loss to the Cowboys,
he was asked this question.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Five straight games without a takeaway. That's historic, has never
been done before.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
That's true.
Speaker 8 (04:57):
And well, I don't know if it's true or not,
but I just know this that we haven't taken the
ball away. And that's one thing you guys are going
to hear me say. It's not giveaways, it's not turnovers.
You have to take the ball away.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
That's what you do.
Speaker 8 (05:08):
As a defense. There has to be the mentality of
defense that we have to go and get it because
no one's going to give it to us. And we
have to be intentional about that too. So we emphasize it,
we attack it, we go through it. But man, you
just have to show up. We got to keep doing it.
We can't just sit back and say, Okay, we're.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Not getting them.
Speaker 8 (05:24):
You know, we have to continue to try and emphasize
it and hopefully at some point, Man, they're going to
come in bunch for us.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah. Maybe I'm not expecting a big turnaround. Didn't expect it.
Jets fans probably aren't expecting it either. But you do
want to see positive signs. You want to go, okay,
we can build on that. Whenever I see a bad team,
I always want to know what are they building on
the coach, the enthusiasm, the quarterback, the defense, whatever it is.
I'm waiting to find out exactly what that is for
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the Jets.
Speaker 9 (05:54):
Yes, Marvin, but if you're a Jets fan, you're over
that because you know what, the Jets have guys everywhere.
It's not like they have a bunch of minimum wage guys.
They have really good players on every level. They shouldn't
be zero to five.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, but are they overrated because they play in New York?
They're the Jets that you know, maybe the media focuses
a little bit more on the New York teams because
you're right, Sauce Gardner is supposed to be great or
Quinnon Williams. I mean, they're supposed to have guys who
are great Garrett Wilson, like they're supposed to be. I
just I don't know if they are. There are times
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when you get glimpses where you go, man, that guy's good,
and then they disappear. But you know, this is it's
been a really interesting NFL season so far. Statistically, do
you realize that there have been fourteen games where somebody
has scored forty or more points. That's the most through
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the first five games of any season since nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 10 (06:57):
Who to day STEATATA day, stout outa day.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
This is the State of.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
The Day, brought to you by Panini America, the official
trading cards for the Dan Patrick Show. I'm not sure
what the number means, but you have offenses who are
piling up some points, but then it feels like you
got some teams that are kind of mailing it in
that Ravens loss. I mean, even with Lamar Jackson, they're
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not winning that game, but forty four to ten, and
then you start to look at the numbers that the
Ravens have been giving up forty one, thirty eight, thirty seven,
forty four. You're not beating anybody, by the way. North
Carolina with Bill Belichick and their losses forty eight, thirty
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four and thirty eight. They're both giving up an average
of forty points per game, the Ravens and North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
That's not gonna get it done.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Dan, Thank you, Todd, Thank you, Todd. All righty eight
seven seven three DP show operator sitting by Tyler will
take your phone calls. Any other poll question, Seaton, Why.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Don't we stick with this one for a minute. Who
had the worst weekend you could look at? We're going
to jump around from sports here, but James Franklin did
not have a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
He did not.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
He did not.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Penn State. That is a humiliating defeat.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
No offense to new Heizel's Sun had a really good weekend.
He's the new offensive coordinator at UCLA, and they might
have stumbled upon something there with Jerry who called a
really good game.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Yes, Paul, So, Penn State loses to Oregon in overtime
last week. That's acceptable, that's a high end loss, as
we say, But to be down twenty seven to seven
at halftime UCLA with nobody in the building basically, you know,
maybe twenty thousand out of seventy thousand seats, and they
can't close it at the end. They can't finish at
the end. The only way this is a good thing
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is if you're a Penn State fan who is not
like your current head coach, a game like this can
help you get a new head coach someday, someday soonish.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
This is where I hope you enjoy that big ten
schedule where you get to go all the way out
to California to play a game. You know, you look
at these teams where they're going cross country and it
didn't used to be this way, but that's the way
of now. I'm not saying that's why they lost, but
you're going out to UCLA and all of a sudden
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you have a long flight back with a big loss.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Yeah, Paul, and Penn State's got some toughies later this month.
They are at Ohio State and host Indiana later this month.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, Penn State, Texas, North Carolina, Ravens, Eagles, Cardinals, Chargers, Raiders.
There's a lot of candidates to put on the poll
question today, Seaton.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
There are there are a lot of candidates, for sure.
How about the New York Yankees.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Good grief giving up a lot of runs there with
Toronto many many runs. Yeah. In fact, vlad Guerrero hit
a grand slam and it sounded like this.
Speaker 11 (10:10):
Righty's two to one swinging a deep drive let field.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
That ball is soaring outa here blood land slam.
Speaker 11 (10:20):
Pitch yourself all you want. You will not wake up
from this dream. Right now, the Blue Jays leap nine
nothing on a Vladimir Carrero Junior grand slam.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
On the other side of this, this is how the
Yankees called vlad Guerrero Junior the third's grand slam.
Speaker 12 (10:39):
You on pitch he did deep drive, left field grand slam.
Speaker 10 (10:51):
Well, they can't get Vladimir Berrero out and that one,
as Weethas said, it's not optimal to have to pitch
the flatty with the bases loaded.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's the Yankees call, and I applaud Dave Simms's call.
There's no it might be it could now if the
Yankees had done that, then you're gonna dress it up
a little bit. You're gonna be like it might be
it could be. You know, that was just uh he
did it and then silence. Yes, Marvin, I.
Speaker 9 (11:18):
Had to shorten that clip because I counted there was
silence for twenty one seconds.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh, they said nothing Grant like that. That's called laying
out in the business. Let it breathe. Yes, Tom, can
you be a homer?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I guess the other way, like Dave Simmons just did.
Speaker 13 (11:32):
It's one thing to get all extra excited when something
good happens, but to totally downplay.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It with something negative against your team. Habit was a
grand slam.
Speaker 13 (11:41):
Yeah, but you know, I know you want, I know,
I understand that, and everyone's listening and you know you're
they're all bummed. But that that just was really like,
it's still an exciting moment in the game. I'm not
saying be raw rah, but I think you can be
a homer in the other direction when something negative happens,
like Aaron Rative's grand slam.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
No, no, no. If he's working for a network, I
understand that, but he's not. I mean he's working for
the Yankees.
Speaker 13 (12:07):
I mean, I'm supposed to be really cheering or booing
even if you're the home team call on.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I don't think he did either. Yeah. See that is
madness to me.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I would hate listening to you that the person doing
the home caller, like your team's call, is supposed to
be right there with you. They should in my opinion anyway,
Like I don't want to be like, hey, sucks for
our team, but that was a hell of a shot.
You got to give it to him. That was a
hell of a cut. Good job by you, but not
great for the hell No, dude, I don't want to
hear that.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Todd when the Broncos lost to the Colts and you
came in Paldie face. How would you like it if
the Broncos play by play guy was like, oh, it's
unbelievable that leverage call.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I would expect the announcer to be very bummed about it.
Speaker 13 (12:49):
But I think there's got to be a little bit
of a happy medium as opposed to total excitement of total.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You are the Homer of Homer's Marvin played again. Here's
Dave Simms on the Yankees call with flag roil.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Do you want Pitt?
Speaker 12 (13:02):
He did big drive left filf Grand Slam, So what.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Do you want him to do?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Tell a Grand Slam home run at a playoff game.
Speaker 13 (13:12):
It's it's a big moment, I know what to get
to your team.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
It certainly shouldn't sound positive, but we're not.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Going to have a left lane situation with this.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I think there's a gray air. It's not that black
and white to me. If you're you know, it's in
the broadcast booth Grand Slam Blue Jays, and it's not
looking good for the Yankees. I'm just jumping a little
more upbeat, but.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Not the glad shocked. I'm shocked that you don't understand
the hometown announcers job. I'm shocked. I am. I'm more
shocked at this than you in the left lane the passing.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Wow, let's say something.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I I am I more shocked at this that you
want you want him to be up a little bit action.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I don't know if up is the you're still calling
the actor.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It's a Grand Slam of the playoff game, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 9 (14:05):
But Dave Simms is a representative of the fans in
a way. Do you think if you're a Yankee fan,
oh man, it was a heck of a call. He
feels just like everybody else feels, that's rooting for the Yankee.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Maybe I feel the play.
Speaker 13 (14:15):
By play person supposed to call it as you see it,
and the analyst is the one that goes like that
sucks on a network.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
Maybe, yes, PAULI I think Dave Simms' job is to
call it objectively, but his tone has to match the
broadcast that he's doing, which is the Yankee broadcast. So
he didn't go, oh man, they jobbed us. He didn't
do one of those where he slanted. He just gave
the tone of the fan.
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podcast that he's involved with. Worst loss of the NFL
weekend was turned in by who.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
Oh it's Cardinals, right, it's got to be the Cardinals.
Speaker 15 (15:56):
I mean, you have a chance to go U twenty
eight to six on probably the worst team in the
NFL at home and Dan, Look, this is one of
my pet peeves and I'm sure it's one of yours too.
How many times do we need to have something like
this happen where they dropped the football before they reached
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the goal and like carry it in with two hands.
We've already had a couple times this year carry it
in with two hands, hand it to the ref like
you're in grade school, and celebrate your team instead, it's
just it's just air after air after air, And looked
at last three games the Cardinals have lost by I
combine five points and three walk off field goals, and
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I mean the cam Ward, the cam Mord interception turned
touchdown to It was just a litany of errors, but
there's no doubt in my mind it's got to be
the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yesterday, Eagles lose to the Broncos, and it feels like
there's been some issues there. I touched on this three
weeks ago. It felt like something was off. They were winning,
but they were it was taking some you know, some
spectacular plays and all of a sudden that offense isn't
clicking like we thought it was going to. What are
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you seeing?
Speaker 15 (17:15):
Yeah, I mean, look, the defenses are stacking the box
against Jalen Hurts and they're they're definitely not letting Saquon
Barkley get to two thousand yards like they did last year.
And at times in the season when that has happened
and defenses has dared throw Jalen Hurts to throw the
football down the field, he hasn't been accurate at all.
Now times they're yes, like yesterday's game, he's been extremely
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accurate and it's looked really really good.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
That's sort of the issue here.
Speaker 15 (17:41):
And look, they're they're four and one, right, and they've
beaten three of the teams that I think are like
top five in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
They've beaten the Chiefs, theyve beaten the Rams, and they've
beaten the Bucks, Like those teams are really elite teams.
Speaker 15 (17:53):
They've done it defensively, and they've done it in spurts
of offensive prowess. They're not motioning as much as they
were last year with Kellen Moore. I'm not sure. I'm
still trying to get a beat on their offense. It
just there's no consistency there. And they have ten of
eleven starters back. They should be a lot better. And look,
I've been one of the bigger critics on Jalen Hurts,
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and when he looks good, he looks good, and when
he looks bad, it just isn't clicking. And he's a
very streaky type player. I'm not gonna say this season
reminds me of two years ago, I think when they
started ten to zero then really faltered down the stretch.
But there are some signs offensively to what it was
like two years ago where they faltered down the stretch.
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But I just I think they still have the best
team in the NFL. I still think they have the
best roster.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
In the NFL.
Speaker 15 (18:40):
I would just go more so a signature win for
Sean Payton more so than like damning loss to the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
You've got Drake May going into Buffalo and pulling out
a win. And I know that you break down these quarterbacks,
but I'm curious, is what we're seeing with Drake May real?
Speaker 7 (19:01):
It's absolutely real.
Speaker 15 (19:03):
And look, I've broken him down quite a bit last year,
quite a bit this year. It was about halfway through
him starting last year, once he actually got onto the
field that he started playing really well. And then get
with Josh McDaniels and and the offense.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Has looked really, really good.
Speaker 15 (19:18):
Look, if you're not following him from a national standpoint,
you are now because this is what Drake May has
done every single game. But it's now on for the
national audience and twenty five million people to see. So
he's gonna start getting his flowers nationally. But it's looked
this good. And he did some and this is sort
of crazy to say, but he did some Josh Allen
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type stuff playing Josh Allen and he's not quite the
runner that Josh Allen is. But when he escapes the
pocket like I don't know if I've seen a better
quarterback this year escaping pocket and making some stuff happen
like he did. And so I just think the national
audience is sort of waking up for it.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
But he's been playing. He's been playing this good all
season long.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
The Chargers game, the Commanders were the better team. That
wasn't a fluke. But I'm it feels like I'm always
critical of the Chargers. But yeah, I'm sorry, I'm always
critical of the Chargers.
Speaker 15 (20:18):
Yeah, I mean, look the jayde Daniels coming back, I
think it really helped him. And that's a really good
defense at home with the Chargers, And you know, the
first two games of the year, man, I thought I
was on the Chargers bandwagon.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
I played for the charge.
Speaker 15 (20:30):
I know, justin Herbert personally, and he's playing like an
MVP through two games.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
And then you sort of come back down to Earth.
Speaker 15 (20:37):
You lose to the Giants and you lose to the
Commanders back to back NFC East losses, and it just
doesn't look good.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
I still think their defense is really good.
Speaker 15 (20:45):
But there's a play and a stretch that really sort
of lost them the game, and it was justin Herbert.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
He had a guy open.
Speaker 15 (20:52):
Quentin Johnson in the end zone on a crossing route,
missed it. He ends up throwing a Keenan Allen back
gets like, you know, knocked away, and then the very
next play it's an interception. And it just seems like
that offensive line with multiple injuries, just cannot stand up.
And they really want to be and it's crazy to
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say this, that they really want to be a throwing
team with harball and if they can't hold up in
the pocket and if they get from behind, that's really
difficult for them to come from behind and win.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
But I thought the.
Speaker 15 (21:22):
Commanders, I mean, I didn't think the Commanders were going
to go in there and win.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
But you know, it is what it is any any
given Sunday.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Chase Daniel ESPN, NFL and College football analyst. I know
you've been very excited Dak Prescott, You've been very well,
But you were talking about how great he's been playing. Yeah,
and that granted it's against the Jets, but still, what
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are you seeing that it is and he doesn't even
have CD Lamb in there, So what is it about
Dak's performance that you've seen that you expect to continue.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
I think bullish would be the word right.
Speaker 15 (22:05):
And the one thing for me is I'm a technician
when it comes to quarterback plays, so I don't really look.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
At box scores.
Speaker 15 (22:14):
I like to watch the film and I like to
try and pick out certain plays or moments within the
game that you are controlling the football. Game stats are
misleading sometimes, Oh, let me throw the football down the field.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
We can do this. The way Dak's.
Speaker 15 (22:29):
Doing and playing right now, it's at an extremely high level.
It's really at a level I've never seen him play
because Brian Schottenheimer, who's calling plays and also the head coach,
he puts.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
A lot on him at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 15 (22:41):
So Dak is consistently and constantly changing plays to get
into a new play that's working.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
And I just haven't seen him do a lot this offense.
Speaker 15 (22:50):
The way they're sequencing plays, meaning, hey, they're calling twenty
one personnel, but that makes it look like eleven personnel.
They're in twenty two personnel down the goal line, but
they're throwing it. It just makes sense on what an
NFL type offense looks. They're using motion at an extremely
high rate. There's a lot of shifts. There's a lot
of motions, and at every single turn, Dak Prescott's been
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in control. And look, he's missing his four starting offensive lineman,
he's missing his number one receiver, and he's missing his
number three receiver. Like, I don't think this Dallas team
is a good team. Do I think they can make
the playoffs and win ten games? Maybe the defense is improving,
but it was against the Jets.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
I give you that, But if you just really look more.
Speaker 15 (23:30):
Than the stats and the box score, I just like
the way he's playing the position of quarterback and he's.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Been doing it all year long.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
The Baker Mayfield resurgence here from last year and this year.
And I don't know, since you played the position, the
importance of the quarterback in the final two minutes or
the coach if you were going to say, I'm going
to give a little bit more credibility to a coach
or the quarterback. Because Baker and Tampa Bay again in
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the final drive, final two minutes, you're winning games. And
that's not a coincidence. No, And he's only thrown one interception.
Speaker 15 (24:06):
He's thrown ten touchdowns this year, thrown for a ton
of yards. I think he's second or third in the
NFL and passing yards, but it's got to be the
quarterback in two minute drives because I've been with some
really good quarterbacks and I've been with some not so
good quarterbacks. The good quarterbacks and two minute drills they
called their own place. Like I remember when I was
with Breeze and two minute drills.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
He's one of the.
Speaker 15 (24:27):
Best of all time, and just watching him operate two
minutes and Sean's like, go, Drew's like running out to
the field for a two minute drive and Sewan's like, hey,
you got it, meaning.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
You're calling the whole series. Now. I'm not sure if
Baker's doing it of that, but it's the coach has
the easy job.
Speaker 15 (24:42):
It's like, hey, one play, and there's a set amount
of plays that you run in two minutes unless you're
huddling on third down or red zone. So there's a
menu of ten plays and Baker has just owned those
and all four wins have come in two minute drives.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
And I do think.
Speaker 15 (24:58):
That that sort of callous as a team that gets
a team sort of rolling in the right direction. And
I just think in general, like you have to start
talking Baker Mayfield for MVP. Just look at his stats,
look at what he's done, look at what he's meant
to this team, and they have not been fully healthy either.
I just think it's been an extremely cool situation for
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the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And he has that personality that you know, it's almost
like he invites that drama, like he wants it. That
nothing seems to be too big for him. And yeah,
I think that has to go. Like you can't go
out there and go like, uh, I don't know, you know,
good luck, guys. You need that guy who gets in
the huddle takes charge, and that's certainly Baker. The Chiefs
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getting you know, Xavier Worthy back seem like that unlocked
a lot of different things options for them. Is that
the only thing with the Chiefs that you're seeing offensively
that is changing them, making them a little more threatening.
Speaker 15 (26:00):
Well, they got under center, they ran the football, they're
in twelve personnel, they're in twenty one personnel, and that's
something that they really haven't tried to do this year.
And then I do think though the catalyst is Xavier Worthy.
I do think what he's doing is opening up the field.
And look, they haven't had a snap, and I know
it's been talked about they haven't had a snap with
she Rice Hollywood Brown and Xavier Worthy on the field
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at all.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
And so my whole thing was like, Hey, if the
Chiefs can just.
Speaker 15 (26:26):
Get to three and three, if they can get to
three and three through six games, because they have some
tough games coming up, they're gonna be just fine. But
I just have never really understood, like, hey, especially early
this season, Hey, the Chiefs they suck.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
They're not that good, and there's been that.
Speaker 15 (26:40):
I'm like, Okay, you still have the best quarterback in
the entire world.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
You still have Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
Who can do it.
Speaker 15 (26:46):
I think that offensive line has short up a little
bit more. But Xavier Worthy, when you have a weapon
like that, it's not Tyreek kill esque for the Chiefs,
but it does open up the short pass game. It
does open up the run game, because when you saw
Xavier Worthy last week, the defense was in two I
safeties and Dan, you know you're really smart, but if
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you're in two I safeties, there's one less guy in
the box, You're gonna run the football. And look, I
just don't want Patrick Mahomes to continue to be the
leading rusher on the team, so someone else has to
step up for that, but it definitely helps.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I'm gonna be the guy who says, can you explain
the twenty two personnel and the twenty one personnel and
the twelve personnel and the eleven personnel?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (27:29):
Absolutely so, Dan, when we're saying twelve personnel, the first
or any personnels, the first digit talks to the amount
of running backs in the game, So twelve personnel want
the one one running back. The second digit always talks
to the amount of tight ends in your group. So
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twelve personnel is one back, two tight ends, and you
need five skill players. Dan, So how many receivers is
that two?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Right?
Speaker 15 (27:58):
And then so if you go twenty two personnel, which
is like it just means heavy personnel, it's two running backs,
two tight ends, and only one receiver. There's also thirteen personnel,
which I think the Chiefs do a good bit of
one back, three tight ends, and I think you're sort
of seeing a resurgence of these heavier personnels.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Just talking about trends overall.
Speaker 15 (28:19):
In the National Football League, because so many teams play
just nickel defense, so they have five defensive backs on
the field at all times rather than four defensive linemen
three linebackers.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
And so when teams are.
Speaker 15 (28:32):
Playing nickel personnel five dbs even to twenty two personnel,
two backs, two tight ends, you're seeing teams run the
football a lot more because teams are so sick and
tired of guys just sitting back in two high safety
looks and saying, hey.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
Try to throw the ball over ahead. They're just like,
we can't do it.
Speaker 15 (28:50):
And that's why I think you're seeing a resurgence of
the play action pass under center game as well. So
these are the trends I'm seeing. I hope I explained
it good enough.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You did. And I've been saying for years that eventually
you're going to have an offense that's gonna be all power.
They're gonna go, they're gonna run it down your throat
because everybody's playing that prevent defense and you got, you know,
quicker guys, not beefier guys up front. And now you're
seeing that with Saquon Barkley. I mean, you're seeing the
resurgence in running the football there. So thank you for
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that explanation. I think, yeah, of course. Yeah. And when
you do games on TV just make sure that you
speak our language, not your language.
Speaker 15 (29:30):
Yes, you know, you guys are really smart, and so
I just figured that the audience of the Dan Patrick
Show knew that. But yeah, that's good advice on TV
because I do try to. You know, the best advice
I got so far was from Kirk Kirtre. He's like, hey,
call game like your mother in law's watching. I was like, oh, okay,
Like if you want to say cover two, that's great.
(29:51):
Just explain what cover two means. And so that's been
great advice. But you guys, come on, you know that.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Well, no, we're not good because I could have gone
through this entire segment and acted like I knew with
the twelve person.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
I saw you laughing when I said that.
Speaker 15 (30:06):
But I'm glad like I have, Like that's sort of
what I try to do on my YouTube page too.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
I try to like explain some stuff like that for
the average football fan.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Well, you know when we throw out a gap and
all of that stuff, and you know.
Speaker 15 (30:18):
Just that's a little that's a little much the a
gap that was the gap between the center and the guard.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Just so you know, oh yeah, I know that. I
was when I was running the quarterback sneak. I went
a gap all the time, all the time. Have fun
on Wednesday night, and remember just explaining you don't don't
you don't have to talk wall to wall. Tick your spots,
be your brilliant self and enlighten people on some things.
Speaker 15 (30:47):
I will, yeah, you know, I've actually I like to
talk a little bit. But I felt like they're in
the broadcast that if you let it breathe a little
bit the the atmosphere and you don't have to fill
every single spot you do those.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Words, and so do not go wall to wall. Make
sure that you don't talk too much because you're play
by play guy still has to do his job. It's
just you're punching. You're just hitting, hitting, hitting, You know
that that's what you do. Hit and then get out hit.
Speaker 15 (31:18):
Who do you think the best analyst is in the
NFL right now? Or who do you enjoy listening to?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You know? I like Olson a want yea. Herbie has
kind of opened my eyes and ears a little bit
more because he I'm still amazed when the play happens.
And then you come back and then you have to
you have to, you know, basically decide this is what happened,
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you're gonna describe it. I'm like goll Lee, I never
saw that, and I think that's what's amazing when you
see you know, if Romo went at his peak or
Collinsworth Herbie. I mean, there's a lot of good analysts,
but the great ones. The great ones give you enthusiasm nuggets.
They're smart, they're to the point, they get out and
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it makes it a crisper broadcast. So that's I'm gonna
would be this one's yes, yes, I'll be more happy
to critique you on it.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Please, I need you know what.
Speaker 15 (32:21):
Here's the thing too, I know you guys gotta go,
but old ex players at play, we like to be coached,
and so much of the fact that, at least what
I've heard from broadcast analysts, we don't get coached because
it's so subjective, Like you can think something's awesome and
then my boss thinks something stinks. But overall, I feel
like there's a good feel for what a broadcast should
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look and feel like. And so I think that's the
hard thing about being an analyst is like everyone likes
something different, but I'm just gonna be true to myself
at the end.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, and I think Aikman got to this point where
he didn't give a bleep, like he's just gonna call
the game, and I think that changed with Troy. He's
just like, Hey, this is it. And I love that
because I don't want you to be holding to anybody
playing favorites. I just want you to call the game.
But yeah, Wednesday night, all right. I didn't expect that
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I would be watching Middle Tennessee State and Missouri State,
but now I am. Now I am Chase. There you go.
I love it. Thanks man, Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
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Speaker 2 (33:32):
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(33:53):
It's Georgia and Auburn. All right, where do you want
to start a good game or a bad game? I'll
let you pick.
Speaker 16 (34:03):
Well, it's in the eye of the beholder. Dan, I'll
let you direct it where you want to go, because
the ugliest games are sometimes the prettiest in my eyes,
because I'm a football junkie and a bit of.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
A sick So I'll let you direct traffic, my friend.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Right, should we be focusing on what UCLA did or
what Penn State didn't do?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
A little of both.
Speaker 16 (34:23):
I hate to do the cop out answer there and
straddled defense. But Ucla was great, and I think their quarterback.
You run into a hot quarterback in college football with talent,
you're going to have some challenges, which means you got
to go out score them, and sometimes that happens. I
thought your defense doesn't have their best stuff. But to me,
this was not about effort. I looked at Penn State
and a lot of people were saying, oh, well, they
were flat. When I watched it, I was like, they
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weren't flat. They just weren't making plays. They were out schemed.
They gave up multiple third and longs to run game.
Quarterbacks scramble in particular, which killed them. The third and
fifteen the third eleven both converted with the quarterback scrambled
third and seven leads to a fifty two yard scramble
that three just with the quarterbacks legs and one with
the running backs legs.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
That was huge.
Speaker 16 (35:05):
The thing that was most troubling to me was a
little bit how James Franklin handled the post game. If
I'm gonna be completely honest, just some of the excuses
travel issues. We lost guys last week, we lost guys
during practice this week. Guys didn't have enough energy, And
to me, that's gonna fall on deaf years considering the
week before, Oregon travels three time zones and beat you
in your house in a whiteout. So I guess I
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just don't understand why he took to the podium and
went about it that way as opposed to just taking
ownership and saying, hey, we got to be better.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. I don't want to
hear these coaches complain about time zones. You know, Lincoln
Riley going to Illinois, this is what you signed up for.
This is the Big Ten. This is Big Ten football,
and that means you're going coast to coast. This is
what your athletic directors signed up for. So find a
way to deal with it. I was hoping for a
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little more with Vandy and Alabama the game you did,
you know, you look back on what happened last year,
and I think we thought we would get a little
more Diego Pabia magic there. Maybe Alabama is a really
good team. How would you assess what you've seen so far?
Speaker 16 (36:12):
I think I think they are very good. I think
both teams, by the way, are very good. And if
not for the strip of Diego Pavia going in where
it could have been fourteen to nothing and now Alabama's
now playing from behind, very much changed the game. That
was the biggest moment in the game was that strip
in the red zone and the fumble recovery for the Tide.
I think Alabama one thing in this game more than
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anything else Dan.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
They showed the ability to weather the storm.
Speaker 16 (36:37):
They showed the ability to absorb the punch, and that
was not something they did very well last year under
killing the Boar. They didn't do that very well against
Florida State. They got punched early in this game and
they responded, so that to me is progress. They also
made some adjustments defensively that I thought were really really good,
and that's not something they've done consistently. At times in
the last couple of years, they adjusted their alignment they
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as to where the defensive backs and the linebackers were
off the ball.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
That was helpful.
Speaker 16 (37:04):
So I really like Vanderbilt, by the way, like everyone
looks at Vanderbilt to look at the name, to look
at the historical significance, and they will dismiss them automatically,
whereas we've seen with teams like Indiana, with team like Vanderbilt,
where you can be very different in this new era
with nil support, and they are really good.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
This was big for Bama to get this win.
Speaker 16 (37:24):
And it doesn't get much easier to go on the road
to Missouri this week, and that's a team that runs
for over three hundred nearly three hundred yards a game,
so they'll have their handsful on the road this one
and at eleven o'clock kick there in Columbia, Missouri, which
would be tough against top fifteen opponents. So this is
a very tough stretch for Alabama. This I think was
proof that they have matured as a program, given how
they performed against Vandy compared to how they performed last year.
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But it doesn't get any easier as the challenges still
lie ahead.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Heisman race is wide open.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
You got somebody, has there ever been one that's this
wide open?
Speaker 16 (37:58):
By the way seven weeks?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
But I thought that coming in that it felt wide open,
just because last year wasn't wide open, right, you know?
I think arch people thought that, you know, this foregone conclusion,
Texas to be good. He'll be good, They'll play for
a national title and you win the Heisman in the process. Well,
that hasn't gone as scripted. So who do you have?
Speaker 16 (38:24):
Well, right now, I think the biggest Heisman moment of
the season could come this weekend, and that's between two
guys that are among the front runners, with Fernando Mendoza
in Indiana, who's playing lights out football to the first
five games of the year, But this will be by
far the biggest stage he's playing on. It'll be a
nationally consumable audience. Yes, it's up against Red River rivalry
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at the same time, but for the most part, man,
everyone's curious what he's gonna do now on the road
against a really good Oregon football team and then Oregon's
quarterback Dante More.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Those two guys are going head to head.
Speaker 16 (38:56):
I feel like I'm watching the program and it's you know,
Joe Caine against Wayman. I mean, it's all about the
quarterbacks in this game for whatever reason.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Right, you know you love that that drop for sure.
Speaker 16 (39:06):
But to me, it's kind of interesting that one those
two I think are right there.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
I think ty Simpson is ascending, but big.
Speaker 16 (39:15):
Opportunities lie ahead for ty Simpson to kind of have
that Heisman moment, whether it's against LSU, perhaps it's against
Oklahoma when John Mattier, who's also in that mix, even
though he's hurt right now, if they play there in
mid November, that could be big. Of course, the SEC
Championship game if they get there's big. And then I'll
throw a little dark horse at you, Trinidad Shambliss Ole Miss.
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This kid is the real deal, man. I mean, I
am a believer, I really am. I think he's that good.
And he was a D two player last year at
Farris State. No one really knew who he was. But
I remember doing their game week two and Lane Kiff
and Sean McDonough asked Lane, Hey, Lane, what else do
we need to know about your team? And he goes, yeah,
just so you know my backup quarterback. If he goes
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in the game, this guy's gonna cause a lot of problems.
And sure enough he goes in these last few weeks
and he's been unstoppable and against quality competition.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
To l us use no joke on defense.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
What's North Carolina going to have to do? Big picture?
And I know it's early. You got to have patients.
They brought in all of these transfers, which I said,
to be fair to Belichick, give him a month and
then maybe you're going to find out if this team
is any good. But then when one of his guys
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on his staff, Mike Lombardi, said, we're going to focus
on freshman next year, well that means you got to
have even more patience. If you're going to be focusing
on recruits next year, how long do you know if
North Carolina is any good?
Speaker 16 (40:47):
Uh No, I don't think they're very good. I do
think last week was not necessarily the best indicator of
what's going on in the future because Clemson, while they've
struggled in the first four weeks of the season, it.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Was a kind of a get right opportunity.
Speaker 16 (41:00):
Like I just had a feeling that game was going
to go that way, Like Clemson was due and North
Carolina's got a whole host of issues. Now they've had
some injuries, so you could point to that, But the
big problem is that when you look at what Bill
Belichick has done traditionally, and what he does well is
takeaway teams top tendencies, and they haven't really done that
very well, and part of that is a lack of
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talent and it's going to take some time. So I
don't think he's in jeopardy of losing his job or
anything like that. I think that's way too premature. I mean,
he's four or five games into his tenure as a
college coach. But I also think at some point you
have to sow some progress because the recruits that you're
recruiting are also being actively recruited by other teams. And
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if you can show the recruits, hey, there's some doubt
with North Carolina, then they're going to be more open
to listening to overtures from other programs, even though they're
currently committed to the tar Heels. So I think as
long as recruiting's good, they're in good shape. But how
long will recruiting be good if things spin off?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
The rails ownership offers, did you get.
Speaker 16 (42:04):
I don't remember exactly, but probably like thirty thirty five.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
In that vicinity. All the smart schools.
Speaker 16 (42:12):
Dan that was all I had, all the smart schools
like Alabama and some others, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Okay, did Shaban come to the house.
Speaker 16 (42:24):
Saban wasn't there. Actually he got there the following year.
So I got recruited by Mike Shula, son of Don
and current offensive coordinator of the South Carolina game cock.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
So that was who recruited me.
Speaker 16 (42:36):
And him and a guy named Bob Connolly came to
the house and it made the offer and I committed
pretty quickly. My parents didn't even know I was going there,
but thought it was a good decision and ended up
working out pretty good.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
If not Alabama, where would you have gone.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
It's kind of a tough call. I probably would have
ended up at.
Speaker 16 (42:54):
Either North Carolina, but kind of my final groups were
North Carolina, Old Man Alabama. I was committed to Texas
Tech for a bit, probably wasn't going to end up
there because they had taken another guy as well. And
then late to the party were some teams that were
coming in, like USC was really good at that point.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
They relate to the party.
Speaker 16 (43:12):
So a little different era back then where you get
offered your senior year as opposed to like in seventh grade,
so it's changed a lot.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Did you back up Chase Daniel in high school?
Speaker 4 (43:23):
I did?
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Okay, we just we just had him on last hour.
Oh nice, so he opened.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
You Carol Dragons.
Speaker 16 (43:33):
Sure have put the dragon helmet out here and see
who would have had more stars on the on the
side of the helmet like buckeye stickers. I think Chase
probably had a few more than I did.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Great to catch up with you, have fun with Georgia
and Auburn coming up this weekend. Thank you always.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Great to be with you, buddy, See soon.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
That's Greg McElroy.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hope you had a great weekend. Everybody. Gang's all here,
ready to go. The lovely and talented Fritzie and his
Bronco gear after a big win. Congratulations Toddler, Go Broncos.
That didn't sound enthusiasmical, Broncos. There you go.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Have We got the Jets next in London. We better
win that one too.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Uh. Seaton's here, Marv, Paul yours truly in the backroom, guys,
A lot of things to dissect today. Last night, if
you went to bed, you're not alone, Patriot, well you
might have been alone. Patriots over the Bills, Surprise, surprise.
Drake May looks like he's ready for the spotlight. The
Commanders quietly handled the Chargers. I watched a lot of
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that game, and I kept waiting for the Chargers to
be that new and improved Chargers. Give credit to the
Commanders and the Buccaneers. You know, don't turn the game
off at final two minutes. You know, that's when the
Bucks seemed to pull out all of these wins as
they beat the Seahawks in a shootout.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Colts.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I still believe that the Colts are a playoff team.
They rolled the Raiders. The Raiders may have a decision
to make a quarterback. The Saints gotta win. About Spencer Rattler? Yay,
beat the g Men, the Texans over the Ravens. We'll
talk about that game and a little bit. And the
Titans won. Yeah, well, no, that's Arizona lost. Titans didn't win.
(01:24):
Arizona lost. Baseball Toronto up two to zero, when the Yankees,
Tigers and Mariners tighter to game, the piece Brewers up
one zero, when the Cubs Dodgers up one. Oh, in
the Phillies tonight, you have the Dodgers at the Phillies,
Cubs at the Brewers, and the Chiefs and the Jaguars.
I got the Chiefs favored by three and a half.
All right, Seaton Poll question for hour one is going
(01:46):
to be.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Well, we got to populate this one because, as we
usually start off on Mondays, who had the worst weekend? Oh,
there's a lot of candidates here, Okay, I mean we
could start with, well, Kyler Murray didn't have a great weekend,
didn't have the worst weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, but I'm not gonna blame him. I'm gonna be
oh he did. After the game, he was kind of
like stumbling around trying to figure out what exactly happened.
I mean, the odds are incredible when you look at
the possibility. Okay, I've got the numbers here. Let's see,
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Arizona gave up a twenty one to three lead and
they lost. They've lost three games now, and they did
it in such dramatic fashion that so they've lost three
straight games on game winning field goals, the first team
to do that since the merger in nineteen seventy. They
go even further than that. Teams that had by twenty
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two points or more in the fourth quarter were one
two hundred and seventy six to one over the last
twenty five seasons to close out win. So some pretty
impressive numbers there for Arizona as they stumbled, bumbled, fumbled
their way to giving the Titans a win.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
Yeah, Paul, if you're not watching that game and you
see the Democado the running back fumble, he's going into
the end zone.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
I think it was like a seventy yard run.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
He's going to close out that, you know, put them
in a lead that they can't come back up from,
and he just lays the ball down to this is
a guy who's a bounce around running back. He's kind
of a backup who's having a nice year. He's got
four career touchdowns, he doesn't have forty, and he just
lays it down. I mean, what does a coach do
in a situation like that in game and after the game?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Oh, after the game, I think gets a long talk
and then you know, you start to figure out if
you're gonna have playing time reduced. I mean, you do
need him. He did have a seventy five yard run.
He has the ability. But whatever happened to when Emmett
Smith would score a touchdown, he'd take the football and
take it over to the sidelines and give it to
the trainer and he would write down, you know this
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touchdown came on this day, and that would be it.
He would keep all of his footballs. I don't know
what's going on now where you just get to the
front door and it's like you're dropping off a newspaper
and then you're gonna leave. But that was embarrassing. They
also had an interception that turned into a touchdown with
Tyler Lockett. I mean, you want to talk about a
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way to lose a game that is up there in
NFL history. Congratulations you did at Arizona and the Titans
got a victory. The Jets are winless. You know, I
keep waiting for culture. We're big on culture. You know,
we talk about culture and guys, you know, Aaron Glenn's
(04:43):
gonna come over and he was with the Lions. He
knows about culture. But after the loss to the Cowboys,
he was asked this question.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Five straight games without a takeaway. That's historic, has never
been done before.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
That's true.
Speaker 8 (04:57):
And well, I don't know if it's true or not,
but I just know this that we haven't taken the
ball away. And that's one thing you guys are going
to hear me say. It's not giveaways, it's not turnovers.
You have to take the ball away.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
That's what you do.
Speaker 8 (05:08):
As a defense. There has to be the mentality of
defense that we have to go and get it because
no one's going to give it to us. And we
have to be intentional about that too. So we emphasize it,
we attack it, we go through it. But man, you
just have to show up. We got to keep doing it.
We can't just sit back and say, Okay, we're.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Not getting them.
Speaker 8 (05:24):
You know, we have to continue to try and emphasize
it and hopefully at some point, Man, they're going to
come in bunch for us.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah. Maybe I'm not expecting a big turnaround. Didn't expect it.
Jets fans probably aren't expecting it either. But you do
want to see positive signs. You want to go, okay,
we can build on that. Whenever I see a bad team,
I always want to know what are they building on
the coach, the enthusiasm, the quarterback, the defense, whatever it is.
I'm waiting to find out exactly what that is for
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the Jets.
Speaker 9 (05:54):
Yes, Marvin, but if you're a Jets fan, you're over
that because you know what, the Jets have guys everywhere.
It's not like they have a bunch of minimum wage guys.
They have really good players on every level. They shouldn't
be zero to five.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, but are they overrated because they play in New York?
They're the Jets that you know, maybe the media focuses
a little bit more on the New York teams because
you're right, Sauce Gardner is supposed to be great or
Quinnon Williams. I mean, they're supposed to have guys who
are great Garrett Wilson, like they're supposed to be. I
just I don't know if they are. There are times
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when you get glimpses where you go, man, that guy's good,
and then they disappear. But you know, this is it's
been a really interesting NFL season so far. Statistically, do
you realize that there have been fourteen games where somebody
has scored forty or more points. That's the most through
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the first five games of any season since nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 10 (06:57):
Who to day STEATATA day, stout outa day.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
This is the State of.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
The Day, brought to you by Panini America, the official
trading cards for the Dan Patrick Show. I'm not sure
what the number means, but you have offenses who are
piling up some points, but then it feels like you
got some teams that are kind of mailing it in
that Ravens loss. I mean, even with Lamar Jackson, they're
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not winning that game, but forty four to ten, and
then you start to look at the numbers that the
Ravens have been giving up forty one, thirty eight, thirty seven,
forty four. You're not beating anybody, by the way. North
Carolina with Bill Belichick and their losses forty eight, thirty
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four and thirty eight. They're both giving up an average
of forty points per game, the Ravens and North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
That's not gonna get it done.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Dan, Thank you, Todd, Thank you, Todd. All righty eight
seven seven three DP show operator sitting by Tyler will
take your phone calls. Any other poll question, Seaton, Why.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Don't we stick with this one for a minute. Who
had the worst weekend you could look at? We're going
to jump around from sports here, but James Franklin did
not have a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
He did not.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
He did not.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Penn State. That is a humiliating defeat.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
No offense to new Heizel's Sun had a really good weekend.
He's the new offensive coordinator at UCLA, and they might
have stumbled upon something there with Jerry who called a
really good game.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Yes, Paul, So, Penn State loses to Oregon in overtime
last week. That's acceptable, that's a high end loss, as
we say, But to be down twenty seven to seven
at halftime UCLA with nobody in the building basically, you know,
maybe twenty thousand out of seventy thousand seats, and they
can't close it at the end. They can't finish at
the end. The only way this is a good thing
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is if you're a Penn State fan who is not
like your current head coach, a game like this can
help you get a new head coach someday, someday soonish.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
This is where I hope you enjoy that big ten
schedule where you get to go all the way out
to California to play a game. You know, you look
at these teams where they're going cross country and it
didn't used to be this way, but that's the way
of now. I'm not saying that's why they lost, but
you're going out to UCLA and all of a sudden
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you have a long flight back with a big loss.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Yeah, Paul, and Penn State's got some toughies later this month.
They are at Ohio State and host Indiana later this month.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, Penn State, Texas, North Carolina, Ravens, Eagles, Cardinals, Chargers, Raiders.
There's a lot of candidates to put on the poll
question today, Seaton.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
There are there are a lot of candidates, for sure.
How about the New York Yankees.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Good grief giving up a lot of runs there with
Toronto many many runs. Yeah. In fact, vlad Guerrero hit
a grand slam and it sounded like this.
Speaker 11 (10:10):
Righty's two to one swinging a deep drive let field.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
That ball is soaring outa here blood land slam.
Speaker 11 (10:20):
Pitch yourself all you want. You will not wake up
from this dream. Right now, the Blue Jays leap nine
nothing on a Vladimir Carrero Junior grand slam.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
On the other side of this, this is how the
Yankees called vlad Guerrero Junior the third's grand slam.
Speaker 12 (10:39):
You on pitch he did deep drive, left field grand slam.
Speaker 10 (10:51):
Well, they can't get Vladimir Berrero out and that one,
as Weethas said, it's not optimal to have to pitch
the flatty with the bases loaded.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's the Yankees call, and I applaud Dave Simms's call.
There's no it might be it could now if the
Yankees had done that, then you're gonna dress it up
a little bit. You're gonna be like it might be
it could be. You know, that was just uh he
did it and then silence. Yes, Marvin, I.
Speaker 9 (11:18):
Had to shorten that clip because I counted there was
silence for twenty one seconds.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh, they said nothing Grant like that. That's called laying
out in the business. Let it breathe. Yes, Tom, can
you be a homer?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I guess the other way, like Dave Simmons just did.
Speaker 13 (11:32):
It's one thing to get all extra excited when something
good happens, but to totally downplay.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It with something negative against your team. Habit was a
grand slam.
Speaker 13 (11:41):
Yeah, but you know, I know you want, I know,
I understand that, and everyone's listening and you know you're
they're all bummed. But that that just was really like,
it's still an exciting moment in the game. I'm not
saying be raw rah, but I think you can be
a homer in the other direction when something negative happens,
like Aaron Rative's grand slam.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
No, no, no. If he's working for a network, I
understand that, but he's not. I mean he's working for
the Yankees.
Speaker 13 (12:07):
I mean, I'm supposed to be really cheering or booing
even if you're the home team call on.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I don't think he did either. Yeah. See that is
madness to me.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I would hate listening to you that the person doing
the home caller, like your team's call, is supposed to
be right there with you. They should in my opinion anyway,
Like I don't want to be like, hey, sucks for
our team, but that was a hell of a shot.
You got to give it to him. That was a
hell of a cut. Good job by you, but not
great for the hell No, dude, I don't want to
hear that.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Todd when the Broncos lost to the Colts and you
came in Paldie face. How would you like it if
the Broncos play by play guy was like, oh, it's
unbelievable that leverage call.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I would expect the announcer to be very bummed about it.
Speaker 13 (12:49):
But I think there's got to be a little bit
of a happy medium as opposed to total excitement of total.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You are the Homer of Homer's Marvin played again. Here's
Dave Simms on the Yankees call with flag roil.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Do you want Pitt?
Speaker 12 (13:02):
He did big drive left filf Grand Slam, So what.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Do you want him to do?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Tell a Grand Slam home run at a playoff game.
Speaker 13 (13:12):
It's it's a big moment, I know what to get
to your team.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
It certainly shouldn't sound positive, but we're not.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Going to have a left lane situation with this.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I think there's a gray air. It's not that black
and white to me. If you're you know, it's in
the broadcast booth Grand Slam Blue Jays, and it's not
looking good for the Yankees. I'm just jumping a little
more upbeat, but.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Not the glad shocked. I'm shocked that you don't understand
the hometown announcers job. I'm shocked. I am. I'm more
shocked at this than you in the left lane the passing.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Wow, let's say something.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I I am I more shocked at this that you
want you want him to be up a little bit action.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I don't know if up is the you're still calling
the actor.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It's a Grand Slam of the playoff game, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 9 (14:05):
But Dave Simms is a representative of the fans in
a way. Do you think if you're a Yankee fan,
oh man, it was a heck of a call. He
feels just like everybody else feels, that's rooting for the Yankee.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Maybe I feel the play.
Speaker 13 (14:15):
By play person supposed to call it as you see it,
and the analyst is the one that goes like that
sucks on a network.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
Maybe, yes, PAULI I think Dave Simms' job is to
call it objectively, but his tone has to match the
broadcast that he's doing, which is the Yankee broadcast. So
he didn't go, oh man, they jobbed us. He didn't
do one of those where he slanted. He just gave
the tone of the fan.
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podcast that he's involved with. Worst loss of the NFL
weekend was turned in by who.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
Oh it's Cardinals, right, it's got to be the Cardinals.
Speaker 15 (15:56):
I mean, you have a chance to go U twenty
eight to six on probably the worst team in the
NFL at home and Dan, Look, this is one of
my pet peeves and I'm sure it's one of yours too.
How many times do we need to have something like
this happen where they dropped the football before they reached
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the goal and like carry it in with two hands.
We've already had a couple times this year carry it
in with two hands, hand it to the ref like
you're in grade school, and celebrate your team instead, it's
just it's just air after air after air, And looked
at last three games the Cardinals have lost by I
combine five points and three walk off field goals, and
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I mean the cam Ward, the cam Mord interception turned
touchdown to It was just a litany of errors, but
there's no doubt in my mind it's got to be
the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yesterday, Eagles lose to the Broncos, and it feels like
there's been some issues there. I touched on this three
weeks ago. It felt like something was off. They were winning,
but they were it was taking some you know, some
spectacular plays and all of a sudden that offense isn't
clicking like we thought it was going to. What are
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you seeing?
Speaker 15 (17:15):
Yeah, I mean, look, the defenses are stacking the box
against Jalen Hurts and they're they're definitely not letting Saquon
Barkley get to two thousand yards like they did last year.
And at times in the season when that has happened
and defenses has dared throw Jalen Hurts to throw the
football down the field, he hasn't been accurate at all.
Now times they're yes, like yesterday's game, he's been extremely
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accurate and it's looked really really good.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
That's sort of the issue here.
Speaker 15 (17:41):
And look, they're they're four and one, right, and they've
beaten three of the teams that I think are like
top five in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
They've beaten the Chiefs, theyve beaten the Rams, and they've
beaten the Bucks, Like those teams are really elite teams.
Speaker 15 (17:53):
They've done it defensively, and they've done it in spurts
of offensive prowess. They're not motioning as much as they
were last year with Kellen Moore. I'm not sure. I'm
still trying to get a beat on their offense. It
just there's no consistency there. And they have ten of
eleven starters back. They should be a lot better. And look,
I've been one of the bigger critics on Jalen Hurts,
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and when he looks good, he looks good, and when
he looks bad, it just isn't clicking. And he's a
very streaky type player. I'm not gonna say this season
reminds me of two years ago, I think when they
started ten to zero then really faltered down the stretch.
But there are some signs offensively to what it was
like two years ago where they faltered down the stretch.
(18:35):
But I just I think they still have the best
team in the NFL. I still think they have the
best roster.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
In the NFL.
Speaker 15 (18:40):
I would just go more so a signature win for
Sean Payton more so than like damning loss to the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
You've got Drake May going into Buffalo and pulling out
a win. And I know that you break down these quarterbacks,
but I'm curious, is what we're seeing with Drake May real?
Speaker 7 (19:01):
It's absolutely real.
Speaker 15 (19:03):
And look, I've broken him down quite a bit last year,
quite a bit this year. It was about halfway through
him starting last year, once he actually got onto the
field that he started playing really well. And then get
with Josh McDaniels and and the offense.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Has looked really, really good.
Speaker 15 (19:18):
Look, if you're not following him from a national standpoint,
you are now because this is what Drake May has
done every single game. But it's now on for the
national audience and twenty five million people to see. So
he's gonna start getting his flowers nationally. But it's looked
this good. And he did some and this is sort
of crazy to say, but he did some Josh Allen
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type stuff playing Josh Allen and he's not quite the
runner that Josh Allen is. But when he escapes the
pocket like I don't know if I've seen a better
quarterback this year escaping pocket and making some stuff happen
like he did. And so I just think the national
audience is sort of waking up for it.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
But he's been playing. He's been playing this good all
season long.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
The Chargers game, the Commanders were the better team. That
wasn't a fluke. But I'm it feels like I'm always
critical of the Chargers. But yeah, I'm sorry, I'm always
critical of the Chargers.
Speaker 15 (20:18):
Yeah, I mean, look the jayde Daniels coming back, I
think it really helped him. And that's a really good
defense at home with the Chargers, And you know, the
first two games of the year, man, I thought I
was on the Chargers bandwagon.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
I played for the charge.
Speaker 15 (20:30):
I know, justin Herbert personally, and he's playing like an
MVP through two games.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
And then you sort of come back down to Earth.
Speaker 15 (20:37):
You lose to the Giants and you lose to the
Commanders back to back NFC East losses, and it just
doesn't look good.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
I still think their defense is really good.
Speaker 15 (20:45):
But there's a play and a stretch that really sort
of lost them the game, and it was justin Herbert.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
He had a guy open.
Speaker 15 (20:52):
Quentin Johnson in the end zone on a crossing route,
missed it. He ends up throwing a Keenan Allen back
gets like, you know, knocked away, and then the very
next play it's an interception. And it just seems like
that offensive line with multiple injuries, just cannot stand up.
And they really want to be and it's crazy to
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say this, that they really want to be a throwing
team with harball and if they can't hold up in
the pocket and if they get from behind, that's really
difficult for them to come from behind and win.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
But I thought the.
Speaker 15 (21:22):
Commanders, I mean, I didn't think the Commanders were going
to go in there and win.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
But you know, it is what it is any any
given Sunday.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Chase Daniel ESPN, NFL and College football analyst. I know
you've been very excited Dak Prescott, You've been very well,
But you were talking about how great he's been playing. Yeah,
and that granted it's against the Jets, but still, what
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are you seeing that it is and he doesn't even
have CD Lamb in there, So what is it about
Dak's performance that you've seen that you expect to continue.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
I think bullish would be the word right.
Speaker 15 (22:05):
And the one thing for me is I'm a technician
when it comes to quarterback plays, so I don't really look.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
At box scores.
Speaker 15 (22:14):
I like to watch the film and I like to
try and pick out certain plays or moments within the
game that you are controlling the football. Game stats are
misleading sometimes, Oh, let me throw the football down the field.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
We can do this. The way Dak's.
Speaker 15 (22:29):
Doing and playing right now, it's at an extremely high level.
It's really at a level I've never seen him play
because Brian Schottenheimer, who's calling plays and also the head coach,
he puts.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
A lot on him at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 15 (22:41):
So Dak is consistently and constantly changing plays to get
into a new play that's working.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
And I just haven't seen him do a lot this offense.
Speaker 15 (22:50):
The way they're sequencing plays, meaning, hey, they're calling twenty
one personnel, but that makes it look like eleven personnel.
They're in twenty two personnel down the goal line, but
they're throwing it. It just makes sense on what an
NFL type offense looks. They're using motion at an extremely
high rate. There's a lot of shifts. There's a lot
of motions, and at every single turn, Dak Prescott's been
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in control. And look, he's missing his four starting offensive lineman,
he's missing his number one receiver, and he's missing his
number three receiver. Like, I don't think this Dallas team
is a good team. Do I think they can make
the playoffs and win ten games? Maybe the defense is improving,
but it was against the Jets.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
I give you that, But if you just really look more.
Speaker 15 (23:30):
Than the stats and the box score, I just like
the way he's playing the position of quarterback and he's.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Been doing it all year long.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
The Baker Mayfield resurgence here from last year and this year.
And I don't know, since you played the position, the
importance of the quarterback in the final two minutes or
the coach if you were going to say, I'm going
to give a little bit more credibility to a coach
or the quarterback. Because Baker and Tampa Bay again in
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the final drive, final two minutes, you're winning games. And
that's not a coincidence. No, And he's only thrown one interception.
Speaker 15 (24:06):
He's thrown ten touchdowns this year, thrown for a ton
of yards. I think he's second or third in the
NFL and passing yards, but it's got to be the
quarterback in two minute drives because I've been with some
really good quarterbacks and I've been with some not so
good quarterbacks. The good quarterbacks and two minute drills they
called their own place. Like I remember when I was
with Breeze and two minute drills.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
He's one of the.
Speaker 15 (24:27):
Best of all time, and just watching him operate two
minutes and Sean's like, go, Drew's like running out to
the field for a two minute drive and Sewan's like, hey,
you got it, meaning.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
You're calling the whole series. Now. I'm not sure if
Baker's doing it of that, but it's the coach has
the easy job.
Speaker 15 (24:42):
It's like, hey, one play, and there's a set amount
of plays that you run in two minutes unless you're
huddling on third down or red zone. So there's a
menu of ten plays and Baker has just owned those
and all four wins have come in two minute drives.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
And I do think.
Speaker 15 (24:58):
That that sort of callous as a team that gets
a team sort of rolling in the right direction. And
I just think in general, like you have to start
talking Baker Mayfield for MVP. Just look at his stats,
look at what he's done, look at what he's meant
to this team, and they have not been fully healthy either.
I just think it's been an extremely cool situation for
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the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And he has that personality that you know, it's almost
like he invites that drama, like he wants it. That
nothing seems to be too big for him. And yeah,
I think that has to go. Like you can't go
out there and go like, uh, I don't know, you know,
good luck, guys. You need that guy who gets in
the huddle takes charge, and that's certainly Baker. The Chiefs
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getting you know, Xavier Worthy back seem like that unlocked
a lot of different things options for them. Is that
the only thing with the Chiefs that you're seeing offensively
that is changing them, making them a little more threatening.
Speaker 15 (26:00):
Well, they got under center, they ran the football, they're
in twelve personnel, they're in twenty one personnel, and that's
something that they really haven't tried to do this year.
And then I do think though the catalyst is Xavier Worthy.
I do think what he's doing is opening up the field.
And look, they haven't had a snap, and I know
it's been talked about they haven't had a snap with
she Rice Hollywood Brown and Xavier Worthy on the field
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at all.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
And so my whole thing was like, Hey, if the
Chiefs can just.
Speaker 15 (26:26):
Get to three and three, if they can get to
three and three through six games, because they have some
tough games coming up, they're gonna be just fine. But
I just have never really understood, like, hey, especially early
this season, Hey, the Chiefs they suck.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
They're not that good, and there's been that.
Speaker 15 (26:40):
I'm like, Okay, you still have the best quarterback in
the entire world.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
You still have Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
Who can do it.
Speaker 15 (26:46):
I think that offensive line has short up a little
bit more. But Xavier Worthy, when you have a weapon
like that, it's not Tyreek kill esque for the Chiefs,
but it does open up the short pass game. It
does open up the run game, because when you saw
Xavier Worthy last week, the defense was in two I
safeties and Dan, you know you're really smart, but if
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you're in two I safeties, there's one less guy in
the box, You're gonna run the football. And look, I
just don't want Patrick Mahomes to continue to be the
leading rusher on the team, so someone else has to
step up for that, but it definitely helps.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I'm gonna be the guy who says, can you explain
the twenty two personnel and the twenty one personnel and
the twelve personnel and the eleven personnel?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (27:29):
Absolutely so, Dan, when we're saying twelve personnel, the first
or any personnels, the first digit talks to the amount
of running backs in the game, So twelve personnel want
the one one running back. The second digit always talks
to the amount of tight ends in your group. So
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twelve personnel is one back, two tight ends, and you
need five skill players. Dan, So how many receivers is
that two?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Right?
Speaker 15 (27:58):
And then so if you go twenty two personnel, which
is like it just means heavy personnel, it's two running backs,
two tight ends, and only one receiver. There's also thirteen personnel,
which I think the Chiefs do a good bit of
one back, three tight ends, and I think you're sort
of seeing a resurgence of these heavier personnels.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Just talking about trends overall.
Speaker 15 (28:19):
In the National Football League, because so many teams play
just nickel defense, so they have five defensive backs on
the field at all times rather than four defensive linemen
three linebackers.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
And so when teams are.
Speaker 15 (28:32):
Playing nickel personnel five dbs even to twenty two personnel,
two backs, two tight ends, you're seeing teams run the
football a lot more because teams are so sick and
tired of guys just sitting back in two high safety
looks and saying, hey.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
Try to throw the ball over ahead. They're just like,
we can't do it.
Speaker 15 (28:50):
And that's why I think you're seeing a resurgence of
the play action pass under center game as well. So
these are the trends I'm seeing. I hope I explained
it good enough.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You did. And I've been saying for years that eventually
you're going to have an offense that's gonna be all power.
They're gonna go, they're gonna run it down your throat
because everybody's playing that prevent defense and you got, you know,
quicker guys, not beefier guys up front. And now you're
seeing that with Saquon Barkley. I mean, you're seeing the
resurgence in running the football there. So thank you for
(29:21):
that explanation. I think, yeah, of course. Yeah. And when
you do games on TV just make sure that you
speak our language, not your language.
Speaker 15 (29:30):
Yes, you know, you guys are really smart, and so
I just figured that the audience of the Dan Patrick
Show knew that. But yeah, that's good advice on TV
because I do try to. You know, the best advice
I got so far was from Kirk Kirtre. He's like, hey,
call game like your mother in law's watching. I was like, oh, okay,
Like if you want to say cover two, that's great.
(29:51):
Just explain what cover two means. And so that's been
great advice. But you guys, come on, you know that.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Well, no, we're not good because I could have gone
through this entire segment and acted like I knew with
the twelve person.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
I saw you laughing when I said that.
Speaker 15 (30:06):
But I'm glad like I have, Like that's sort of
what I try to do on my YouTube page too.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
I try to like explain some stuff like that for
the average football fan.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Well, you know when we throw out a gap and
all of that stuff, and you know.
Speaker 15 (30:18):
Just that's a little that's a little much the a
gap that was the gap between the center and the guard.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Just so you know, oh yeah, I know that. I
was when I was running the quarterback sneak. I went
a gap all the time, all the time. Have fun
on Wednesday night, and remember just explaining you don't don't
you don't have to talk wall to wall. Tick your spots,
be your brilliant self and enlighten people on some things.
Speaker 15 (30:47):
I will, yeah, you know, I've actually I like to
talk a little bit. But I felt like they're in
the broadcast that if you let it breathe a little
bit the the atmosphere and you don't have to fill
every single spot you do those.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Words, and so do not go wall to wall. Make
sure that you don't talk too much because you're play
by play guy still has to do his job. It's
just you're punching. You're just hitting, hitting, hitting, You know
that that's what you do. Hit and then get out hit.
Speaker 15 (31:18):
Who do you think the best analyst is in the
NFL right now? Or who do you enjoy listening to?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You know? I like Olson a want yea. Herbie has
kind of opened my eyes and ears a little bit
more because he I'm still amazed when the play happens.
And then you come back and then you have to
you have to, you know, basically decide this is what happened,
(31:50):
you're gonna describe it. I'm like goll Lee, I never
saw that, and I think that's what's amazing when you
see you know, if Romo went at his peak or
Collinsworth Herbie. I mean, there's a lot of good analysts,
but the great ones. The great ones give you enthusiasm nuggets.
They're smart, they're to the point, they get out and
(32:11):
it makes it a crisper broadcast. So that's I'm gonna
would be this one's yes, yes, I'll be more happy
to critique you on it.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Please, I need you know what.
Speaker 15 (32:21):
Here's the thing too, I know you guys gotta go,
but old ex players at play, we like to be coached,
and so much of the fact that, at least what
I've heard from broadcast analysts, we don't get coached because
it's so subjective, Like you can think something's awesome and
then my boss thinks something stinks. But overall, I feel
like there's a good feel for what a broadcast should
(32:43):
look and feel like. And so I think that's the
hard thing about being an analyst is like everyone likes
something different, but I'm just gonna be true to myself
at the end.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, and I think Aikman got to this point where
he didn't give a bleep, like he's just gonna call
the game, and I think that changed with Troy. He's
just like, Hey, this is it. And I love that
because I don't want you to be holding to anybody
playing favorites. I just want you to call the game.
But yeah, Wednesday night, all right. I didn't expect that
(33:12):
I would be watching Middle Tennessee State and Missouri State,
but now I am. Now I am Chase. There you go.
I love it. Thanks man, Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
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Speaker 2 (33:32):
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Sean McDonough and Molly McGrath. The Deep sounds oldest rivalry.
(33:53):
It's Georgia and Auburn. All right, where do you want
to start a good game or a bad game? I'll
let you pick.
Speaker 16 (34:03):
Well, it's in the eye of the beholder. Dan, I'll
let you direct it where you want to go, because
the ugliest games are sometimes the prettiest in my eyes,
because I'm a football junkie and a bit of.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
A sick So I'll let you direct traffic, my friend.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Right, should we be focusing on what UCLA did or
what Penn State didn't do?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
A little of both.
Speaker 16 (34:23):
I hate to do the cop out answer there and
straddled defense. But Ucla was great, and I think their quarterback.
You run into a hot quarterback in college football with talent,
you're going to have some challenges, which means you got
to go out score them, and sometimes that happens. I
thought your defense doesn't have their best stuff. But to me,
this was not about effort. I looked at Penn State
and a lot of people were saying, oh, well, they
were flat. When I watched it, I was like, they
(34:45):
weren't flat. They just weren't making plays. They were out schemed.
They gave up multiple third and longs to run game.
Quarterbacks scramble in particular, which killed them. The third and
fifteen the third eleven both converted with the quarterback scrambled
third and seven leads to a fifty two yard scramble
that three just with the quarterbacks legs and one with
the running backs legs.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
That was huge.
Speaker 16 (35:05):
The thing that was most troubling to me was a
little bit how James Franklin handled the post game. If
I'm gonna be completely honest, just some of the excuses
travel issues. We lost guys last week, we lost guys
during practice this week. Guys didn't have enough energy, And
to me, that's gonna fall on deaf years considering the
week before, Oregon travels three time zones and beat you
in your house in a whiteout. So I guess I
(35:25):
just don't understand why he took to the podium and
went about it that way as opposed to just taking
ownership and saying, hey, we got to be better.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. I don't want to
hear these coaches complain about time zones. You know, Lincoln
Riley going to Illinois, this is what you signed up for.
This is the Big Ten. This is Big Ten football,
and that means you're going coast to coast. This is
what your athletic directors signed up for. So find a
way to deal with it. I was hoping for a
(35:55):
little more with Vandy and Alabama the game you did,
you know, you look back on what happened last year,
and I think we thought we would get a little
more Diego Pabia magic there. Maybe Alabama is a really
good team. How would you assess what you've seen so far?
Speaker 16 (36:12):
I think I think they are very good. I think
both teams, by the way, are very good. And if
not for the strip of Diego Pavia going in where
it could have been fourteen to nothing and now Alabama's
now playing from behind, very much changed the game. That
was the biggest moment in the game was that strip
in the red zone and the fumble recovery for the Tide.
I think Alabama one thing in this game more than
(36:33):
anything else Dan.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
They showed the ability to weather the storm.
Speaker 16 (36:37):
They showed the ability to absorb the punch, and that
was not something they did very well last year under
killing the Boar. They didn't do that very well against
Florida State. They got punched early in this game and
they responded, so that to me is progress. They also
made some adjustments defensively that I thought were really really good,
and that's not something they've done consistently. At times in
the last couple of years, they adjusted their alignment they
(36:59):
as to where the defensive backs and the linebackers were
off the ball.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
That was helpful.
Speaker 16 (37:04):
So I really like Vanderbilt, by the way, like everyone
looks at Vanderbilt to look at the name, to look
at the historical significance, and they will dismiss them automatically,
whereas we've seen with teams like Indiana, with team like Vanderbilt,
where you can be very different in this new era
with nil support, and they are really good.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
This was big for Bama to get this win.
Speaker 16 (37:24):
And it doesn't get much easier to go on the road
to Missouri this week, and that's a team that runs
for over three hundred nearly three hundred yards a game,
so they'll have their handsful on the road this one
and at eleven o'clock kick there in Columbia, Missouri, which
would be tough against top fifteen opponents. So this is
a very tough stretch for Alabama. This I think was
proof that they have matured as a program, given how
they performed against Vandy compared to how they performed last year.
(37:46):
But it doesn't get any easier as the challenges still
lie ahead.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Heisman race is wide open.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
You got somebody, has there ever been one that's this
wide open?
Speaker 16 (37:58):
By the way seven weeks?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
But I thought that coming in that it felt wide open,
just because last year wasn't wide open, right, you know?
I think arch people thought that, you know, this foregone conclusion,
Texas to be good. He'll be good, They'll play for
a national title and you win the Heisman in the process. Well,
that hasn't gone as scripted. So who do you have?
Speaker 16 (38:24):
Well, right now, I think the biggest Heisman moment of
the season could come this weekend, and that's between two
guys that are among the front runners, with Fernando Mendoza
in Indiana, who's playing lights out football to the first
five games of the year, But this will be by
far the biggest stage he's playing on. It'll be a
nationally consumable audience. Yes, it's up against Red River rivalry
(38:45):
at the same time, but for the most part, man,
everyone's curious what he's gonna do now on the road
against a really good Oregon football team and then Oregon's
quarterback Dante More.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Those two guys are going head to head.
Speaker 16 (38:56):
I feel like I'm watching the program and it's you know,
Joe Caine against Wayman. I mean, it's all about the
quarterbacks in this game for whatever reason.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Right, you know you love that that drop for sure.
Speaker 16 (39:06):
But to me, it's kind of interesting that one those
two I think are right there.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
I think ty Simpson is ascending, but big.
Speaker 16 (39:15):
Opportunities lie ahead for ty Simpson to kind of have
that Heisman moment, whether it's against LSU, perhaps it's against
Oklahoma when John Mattier, who's also in that mix, even
though he's hurt right now, if they play there in
mid November, that could be big. Of course, the SEC
Championship game if they get there's big. And then I'll
throw a little dark horse at you, Trinidad Shambliss Ole Miss.
(39:37):
This kid is the real deal, man. I mean, I
am a believer, I really am. I think he's that good.
And he was a D two player last year at
Farris State. No one really knew who he was. But
I remember doing their game week two and Lane Kiff
and Sean McDonough asked Lane, Hey, Lane, what else do
we need to know about your team? And he goes, yeah,
just so you know my backup quarterback. If he goes
(39:58):
in the game, this guy's gonna cause a lot of problems.
And sure enough he goes in these last few weeks
and he's been unstoppable and against quality competition.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
To l us use no joke on defense.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
What's North Carolina going to have to do? Big picture?
And I know it's early. You got to have patients.
They brought in all of these transfers, which I said,
to be fair to Belichick, give him a month and
then maybe you're going to find out if this team
is any good. But then when one of his guys
(40:32):
on his staff, Mike Lombardi, said, we're going to focus
on freshman next year, well that means you got to
have even more patience. If you're going to be focusing
on recruits next year, how long do you know if
North Carolina is any good?
Speaker 16 (40:47):
Uh No, I don't think they're very good. I do
think last week was not necessarily the best indicator of
what's going on in the future because Clemson, while they've
struggled in the first four weeks of the season, it.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Was a kind of a get right opportunity.
Speaker 16 (41:00):
Like I just had a feeling that game was going
to go that way, Like Clemson was due and North
Carolina's got a whole host of issues. Now they've had
some injuries, so you could point to that, But the
big problem is that when you look at what Bill
Belichick has done traditionally, and what he does well is
takeaway teams top tendencies, and they haven't really done that
very well, and part of that is a lack of
(41:22):
talent and it's going to take some time. So I
don't think he's in jeopardy of losing his job or
anything like that. I think that's way too premature. I mean,
he's four or five games into his tenure as a
college coach. But I also think at some point you
have to sow some progress because the recruits that you're
recruiting are also being actively recruited by other teams. And
(41:43):
if you can show the recruits, hey, there's some doubt
with North Carolina, then they're going to be more open
to listening to overtures from other programs, even though they're
currently committed to the tar Heels. So I think as
long as recruiting's good, they're in good shape. But how
long will recruiting be good if things spin off?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
The rails ownership offers, did you get.
Speaker 16 (42:04):
I don't remember exactly, but probably like thirty thirty five.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
In that vicinity. All the smart schools.
Speaker 16 (42:12):
Dan that was all I had, all the smart schools
like Alabama and some others, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Okay, did Shaban come to the house.
Speaker 16 (42:24):
Saban wasn't there. Actually he got there the following year.
So I got recruited by Mike Shula, son of Don
and current offensive coordinator of the South Carolina game cock.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
So that was who recruited me.
Speaker 16 (42:36):
And him and a guy named Bob Connolly came to
the house and it made the offer and I committed
pretty quickly. My parents didn't even know I was going there,
but thought it was a good decision and ended up
working out pretty good.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
If not Alabama, where would you have gone.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
It's kind of a tough call. I probably would have
ended up at.
Speaker 16 (42:54):
Either North Carolina, but kind of my final groups were
North Carolina, Old Man Alabama. I was committed to Texas
Tech for a bit, probably wasn't going to end up
there because they had taken another guy as well. And
then late to the party were some teams that were
coming in, like USC was really good at that point.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
They relate to the party.
Speaker 16 (43:12):
So a little different era back then where you get
offered your senior year as opposed to like in seventh grade,
so it's changed a lot.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Did you back up Chase Daniel in high school?
Speaker 4 (43:23):
I did?
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Okay, we just we just had him on last hour.
Oh nice, so he opened.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
You Carol Dragons.
Speaker 16 (43:33):
Sure have put the dragon helmet out here and see
who would have had more stars on the on the
side of the helmet like buckeye stickers. I think Chase
probably had a few more than I did.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Great to catch up with you, have fun with Georgia
and Auburn coming up this weekend. Thank you always.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Great to be with you, buddy, See soon.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
That's Greg McElroy.
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