November 26, 2025 • 38 mins
Co-host of “2 Pros and a Cup of Joe” and college football analyst, Brady Quinn thinks this Michigan team is far more dangerous than last season and believes the best story for the NFL on Thanksgiving would be Dallas knocking off Kansas City. Mike Golic Jr. says Ohio State's matchup with Michigan is a must-win for Ryan Day and thinks the committee could judge Ole Miss differently if Lane Kiffin leaves. Football analyst Ross Tucker seeks clarity from Packers-Lions and praises Shedeur Sanders' poise and quick decisions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We bring in Brady Quinn, Fox College football analyst, former
Notre Dame quarterback. Also the show that precedes hours on
Fox Sports, The Two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
He's going to be at the Big House. It's Ohio
State Michigan Saturday, nine am Eastern is when they get started,
big noon kickoff. How would you compare Notre Dame USC
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to Michigan and Ohio State rivalry.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Well, I grew up in Columbus, Ohio, So I've got
a pretty good idea of the differences between its two
only because of the nature of both schools, how close
they are in proximity, the types of players that they
traditionally recruit in both states, you know, the top players,
and so it's just an entirely different feel between its
two because they're both two Midwest schools. And so it's
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not a battle of culture where you get that a
little bit with you know, Catholicism and Notre Dame in
the Midwest versus like the so cow laid bag, like
let's go out and surf and I don't want to
believe in anything, or I believe in everything. So it's
a very stark contrast between the two fan bases for
SC Notre Dame versus what you get in Michigan in
Ohio State. I mean, these are two programs and two
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schools know that you know each other so well. There's
so much history behind it, just in regards to even
the coaching staffs and all of that. So I would
say with Notre Dame SC, there's tradition, there's history, there's both.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Schools kind of honoring, at least used to.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I don't know if that tradition will continue, but honoring
kind of the differences between the two.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
With Ohio State Michigan, I don't feel like either or
honoring anything.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I feel like it's a he it's you against us,
and that's all that matters this one day every year,
and depending on the outcome, we're never going to forget
it for theer in sixty four days, regardless of how
well our team does in the playoff, for even winning
a national championship.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Michigan's an oh by the way, what nine and two
I get they don't feel threatening, but you know, in
this game it does. I mean we've seen where better teams,
better records, doesn't matter how dangerous is Michigan in this game.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I think they're more dangerous than last year. I mean,
they're playing at home.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
They've got a freshman quarterback who oozes with talent and ability,
and he's started to develop chemistry with this freshman wide
receiver Andrew marsh McCauley's coming along. So the passing game
has kind of seen more bright spots of late than
bad spots.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
So I would say if you're looking at this matchup.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
After last year, when I think Davis warrenth threw for
like sixty yards and they're playing in Columbus, they were
the biggest underdogs they've ever been in this rivalry. Yeah,
this year, they've got a much better team and should
have a better chance of imposing their will and doing
what they do every single time these two teams have
played over the last four years head into five years,
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is Michigan's going to try to make you play this
game in a phone booth, and they're gonna try to
win the trenches. They're gonna limit the amount of possessions
of Ohio State gets, and they're gonna try to eliminate
guys like Jeremiah Smith and Carnelzate and the big playability
of this offense, and say we want you to try
to run the football and be better than us. We're
not gonna let you win this game throwing to two
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of the best players in the entire country will be
first round draft picks, and we'll see if you can
do it.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
If he would answer, what would you ask Lane Kiffin today?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I would ask him what is the one determining factor
in where he's going to go next?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Like, what's the number one thing you're are prioritizing most?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
But what do you think it is?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I'm not a big offer, one hundred million dollars contract reportedly,
Dan so I would say it's it's hard for any
human being to turn down what is generational wealth. You're
offered that sort of opportunity.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But all knows they're going to match that, so let's
take money out of this. So then yet, but just
now it still comes down to money with nil and collectives,
you know, the roster, all of that. But is this
just I can get more talent? There is he going
to fall? Not fall the victim too? But Brian Kelly
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couldn't win a national title, you know, in his mind
at Notre Dame, So I'm going to LSU where I've
got all of this talent. Is that what this comes
down to, is Lane Kiffin going to follow?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I mean I think if you look at that decision
Brian Brian Kelly and retrospect, now you kind of looking
back on it like, well else kind of foolish. But
I think there's a star contrast between Lane Kiff and
Brian Kelly in the sense that like Lane Kiffin is
willing to recruit. I mean, half the time he's driving
around in a nice car with a recruit in the back,
they're filming.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Some sort of video. Brian Kelly didn't want to do that.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And so if you look at what makes Lane successful
at Ole miss and what can make him successful at
LSU or Florida, it's the fact that not only do
you just really have to I mean, you can recruit
nationally for a number of players, but you don't have
to go too far in that region or in that
state before you find some of the best players in
the country.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
So if it's not.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Money and it really comes down to your best chance
of winning a national championship, I think you'd have to
look at the track record of LSU head coaches and
say it's probably LSU.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Then now is could it get messy?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Of course, when you have a good opener, getting involved
with the conversation around the head coach had that institution.
But I do think if you look at the track
record of at Orizaran, Les Miles, Nicksaban, if you're a
Lane Kiffen and you're saying, maybe we've hit our ceiling
at Old Miss, then LSU would be that next job
that comes up, and I feel like would give him
the best chance.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
To do so.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
If USC could hire Lane Kiffen, do you think they
would do that?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Well, let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Over the last four years, all right, Lane Kiffin's record,
I believe so off the top of my head, is
like thirty nine and eleven. He's got two on one
in bowl games, never won a conference champion ship, and
the highest he's finished in the polls is eleventh. It's
probably gonna be different this year. If you look at
Lincoln Riley's record, I think he's thirty four and seventeen,
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also two and one goal games high Seed's finished his
twelfth in the final poll.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
How different really are they?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It was brought up to me last night by a
college source saying, I'm asking you the.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Question, like, how different are they?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
It feels like Lane overachieved and Lincoln underachieved.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
But doesn't it take a job like a blue blood
like sc then to determine whether someone over underachieved. Like
it's kind of all upside and old miss unless you
just completely flam out. And that's where if you go
to an LSU and you're not meeting expectations, are all
even throwing at another job that he's not up for.
But like Penn State, Penn State moved on from James
frank because they din't feel like they could win the
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big game. So what's the next head coach going to
be expected to do? Every top ten game, every top
five game, they're expected to win because because that's what
you were brought in here to do. It wasn't to
win ten to eleven, you know, twelve games.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And mistake Brady in retrospect, now you've got to find
somebody who's better than James Franklin.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah, I would say one the timing of it, yes,
I didn't feel like that was the right timing to
move on from James Franklin, especially the way the team's
playing now.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
They're obviously playing much more inspired football last two games
they've won, and you know they were even close, you know,
previously to that. But it just it felt like it
was a little early to throw in the towel, even
though they were on the skid. And I think, if
you're going to move on from a guy like James Franklin,
you better have that next guy like loaded ready to
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go and not be like, well, this is who our
top target is.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It's like, no, that this should be like already done.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
And I understand there's a lot of ways that this
needs to work, and that's probably not the proper way
of doing it, which is one of the reasons why
I think the time was terrible. Like they could have
waited till at the end of the season. They could
have waited to see how things played out. I mean,
now it kind of looks like maybe you shouldn't have
fired him after if Matt wll was your target.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, but you might he's going to win and then
keep his job. It felt like this was booster impatient
and they're like, you know, we're not gonna we got
to start winning these games. We're not winning these games,
and you know, the shelf life for him at Penn
State was expiring.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
But isn't that the truth of what college football is
right now?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yestient.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
It's not run by well, it's not run by presidents
and ads. Yes, it's run by boosters.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I mean, when you're talking about who's ultimately funding these rosters,
it's the rich guy who what's school there that wants
to be a part of the process. That party played
fantasy and is like, you know what, I think I
can figure this stuff out. I watched enough you know
whatever recruiting website and seeing the huddle highlights, and I
think this kid's a really good player. So you know,
I'm gonna put a bunch of money in here. So
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that's essentially what this has become, has it?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Not talking to Brady Quinn Big noon kickoff, It'll be
at the Big House at Ohio State. Michigan. They start
their coverage at nine am Eastern, go to noon Eastern. Unfucked.
I'm not going to name any names, but I was
told that there is a school that's getting really good
at stealing signs. Now, this isn't a Michigan Connor Stallion's
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This is actually somebody watching on the other sidelines and
legally stealing signs. Have you heard about this?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Well, I had heard about this forever ago, because even
when you're a backup quarterback and you're on the sideline,
you're trying to steal signals during a game.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I mean, that's that's part of the game and ship.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
If I know that we can shift her motion as
an offense to something and I can dictate or predict
what your coverage is, of course you're going to steal
every sign possible, whether it's from the sideline or from
the player.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
You know, these defensive guys, yes, not the sharpest tools
in the shed.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
So usually they'll be something like, hey, hey, you're like,
oh is that a tee for to Tampa?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Oh okay, great, Yeah, we've got you here. Or hey,
we're gonna we're gonna, we're gonna we're gonna lock locking.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Oh oh, so it's man to man because you're locking
man to man of that guy, gotcha, Like, of course
we're going.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
To use that to our advantage.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Which, by the way, you know, the whole sign stealing
thing with Conner Stiens in Michigan, to me, it was
a Pandora's box that no one really wanted to open
because there was a lot of teams doing it. I
think since Connor Steyan's has left and he's been more
emboldened to talk about it. You know, he's trading this
information with other teams and they were willing to trade
with him.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I mean, it is probably the secret to college football
that not many people want to address. It's one of
the reasons why I think they needed to coach the
quarterback communication. Uh, probably a long time ago when they
could have implemented it to eliminate some of the signs signaling,
which would would help. Right if you're you know, communicating
it into your player, there really should be much signing
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going on unless you're playing up tempo where you get
the line and you call play and you know you're
use a double caateence to something of that you know nature.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It feels like Andrew luck is really really close to
being the head coach at Stanford, Like this was almost
a prep year for him. What do you think it's.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
A big time commitment. You know, I don't know Andrew personally.
Obviously respect him a ton as a former player.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
He's got time. What else is he doing? But but I.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Also think is being the general manager of Stanford's a
huge investment of time too. And if you're trying to
raise a family and get all these things going on,
like I don't know, do you do you want to
have to, you know, sacrifice essentially raising your kids to
raise someone else's That's what it feels like being a
college football head coach is nowadays.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
When you include that, you're not just coaching.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
You know, you're you're dealing with recruiting, you're dealing with
talent evaluation, you're dealing with nil and fundraising and there's
a lot of hats that college football head coaches. Where
does he need to invite that into his life? Does
he want to? And also I think there's always this
thought too, if you go back to your alma mater
and you coach there and everything's gonna work out and it's.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Going to be perfect, Well, why isn't he does that
it doesn't work out?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
And what was if it flames out, that doesn't kind
of tarnish his feelings about it or maybe how how
he's agree.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I never hire somebody you can't fire, and we've seen
that with basketball with Patrick Ewing, Chris mallin Clyde Dregsler
going to bring somebody back, and there's going to be
that day that they go just not working out here.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And I also think there's an element of thought that like,
even though you need to understand the landscape that you're
entering into as a head coach, if they're hiring you
this because things weren't going well and oftentimes you got
to create some sort of change and maybe you need
the outside of the box thinking that comes from someone
else who's been somewhere else. Like right now, I don't
know why Bob Chas he's not getting more interviews or
discussion for a major power for head coaching job, Like
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if we want to keep using Kurt Signetti and they
turn around they've been able to make in two years time,
and we're all trying to figure out how they do it.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
It's like, well, the guy knows how to coach because.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
He did it at lower levels with less resources and
less talent everything else, and he's been able to bring
some of the players to Indiana but also bring a
lot of what he was able to do been prior
years with lesser teams to have success.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
On a higher level.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Why are we looking at Bob Chesney like because he's
just done the same exact thing to get to the
point at James Madison, and he's continued on what Kurt
Signetti did there, and yet like we're not hearing as
much buzz about it.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I think State, maybe Penn State, maybe Penn State.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Penn State would be a job that I think, you know,
would make a lot of sense for again, someone like
Bob Chesney, someone like Jeff Mounkin. You know, you want
someone who's been able to build a program that's able
to overachieve with less and and those two guys, without
a doubt fall in that category. I know, arms not
having going to be year this year, to go back
last year and the season that they had.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
All right only be with this. Is it better for
the Chiefs or the Cowboys to win tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Well, I mean, did the Chiefs really have much of
an option just because of how much Parry.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And Howl like the storyline? Well, storylines, I.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Think you'd say it's probably better for Dallas, right, I mean,
you get two storylines coming out of that. Everyone expects
that the Chiefs are going to be in the mix.
If they drop one, how many more can they afford
to lose. And on the flip side, Dallas kind of
getting back into that conversation. And also it's the Dallas Cowboys,
like Jerry Jones is probably gonna say something wild out there.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I mean, it could be about football, could be about
Thanksgiving dinner.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Maybe he's not a fan of Thanksgiving me. I don't know.
Maybe you fall into that category. Maybe you're one of
those like, ah, it's not really for me.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
I eat turkey once a year unless it's on a sandwich,
you know, So maybe he's not a Thanksgiving yet.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Safe travels. Are you gonna you get booed when you
go to Michigan, don't you?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yes, there's a there's a decent amount of booing. I
let them know though. You know, only started one game
back in two thousand and five in Michigan, and we
make sure we got out of there with the victory.
So I know it's been a while. But you know
a lot of these a lot of his young cats
don't know history, such the young kids that talk trash.
The older fans will say, yeah, you can't really say anything,
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and then Urban walks out there and they all boot
him and they're just like, you can't say anything either,
And then and then and the wider walks out there,
he's like, yeah, we beat you when you played it twos.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
You can only say, so there's there really shouldn't be
any trash talking.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
But they're Michigan fans, so they're gonna stick their nose
about you, and they're gonna make sure they talk down
to you and act like, you know, they won the
national championship last season, even though it was actually Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Safe travels, play nice.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Thank you, We'll do our best. Happy thanks to Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
That's Brady Quinn.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
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Speaker 2 (16:34):
More phone calls coming up. Our buddy Ross Tucker in
an hour from now. He's got Iowa and Nebraska tomorrow.
Believe that's a noon Eastern kickoff. Mike Golig, junior, co
host of Golick and Golick on FanDuel's Sports Network, former
Notre Dame offensive lineman and back on the program. Great
to see you, Bud him. Give me the most must
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win game of the weekend for you?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Ooh, the most college or pro?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
What do you want to either one? The most must
win is who I.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Would say the most must win this week, and to
me feels like the game for Ryan Day. Like Ohio
States accomplished a lot, this team would still be in
the playoff even with the loss, but considering the recent
run they've been on and everything else that's finally mounted
in his favor, this is kind.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Of the last remaining box to check.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
And it's strange because this year I feel so much
better about Ohio State provided their best wide receivers are healthy,
even though last year going into this game they were
favored by more it was a far worse Michigan team
than the one they're going against this year. But I
just think the matchup in a bunch of the key areas,
specifically Ohio States defense and what Matt Patricia has done
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versus a freshman quarterback for Michigan, even at home where
he's been better this season, it feels like a tough one.
So I think if you're Ryan Day, hey, you've got
the fan base back on your side after the run
you went on last year. If you really want to
stamp your place now in the lore of this rivalry
and at the helm of this team, I think you
got to win this weekend.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Do you imagine if Michigan won?
Speaker 7 (18:06):
Oh, it's I mean. And the thing is, we went
through this last year where people were legitimately it felt
like around Columbus starting to talk about Ryan Day's job
in a way that feels insane for all the rest
of us that see what Ohio State has, what he's accomplished,
But you understand those games mean more, and those pain
points in these rivalry series are always tough to come by.
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So yeah, I don't know what it would do. He's
They're not going to do anything because he won the
championship and still could this year, but it just would
make things really awkward of the Thanksgiving dinner table this
year and next year if it happened.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Now you, of course, we're an offensive lineman at Notre
Dame and probably you know keep an eye on Notre
Dame far more than most of us. But I'm wondering,
wondering if this style of running the football to a
national title, can they do that?
Speaker 7 (18:55):
I think they can, and I think doing that is
easier because you also have a quarterback that's now been
able to stretch the field and the way that's different
Like last year, Dan looking at Notre Dame when Riley
Lennon was the quarterback that was a Hey, there are
no frills and no questions about how we're going to
do this. We're going to hand the ball off a
bunch of these running backs. Our quarterback when we get
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into fourth and one is going to be a human
battering ram and he is even going to erase the edges.
I think back to the Georgia game last year in
the CFP run for Notre Dame where Riley Leonard gets
through the perimeter and against sec caliber NFL caliber athletes
like Jalen Walker, who is going to go on against
the Falcons. He's erasing the edge against them and finding
the perimeter. So that team was that there were I
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said it was masters of the obvious last year for
Notre Dame, and everything they did this year, there's a
little bit more sleight of hand because CJ cars come
in and stretch the field. For this team, the explosive
play rate, their ability to hit downfield with players like
Malati Fields, the transfer wide receiver from Virginia, I think
have put defenses in a conundrum. And look no further
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than what USC decided to do against Notre Dame when
it came to South Bend.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Notre Dame with two.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
Prolific running backs runners up for the Heisman right now,
and USC said, we would rather not have your passing
attack beat us, So we're gonna put two safeties deep.
We're gonna play back and try and take away the
passing attack. And as a result, Notre Dame handed off
the ball over and over again and broke their will
in that game. Because USC had to do the math
problem ended up guessing wrong. And that's the ability Notre
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Dame has. This year that makes it different, But the
engine that still makes it all go is Jeremiah Love
and I absolutely think he's a great enough player for
them to ride to a title.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
If Lane Kiffen would answer the question, what question would
you ask, Hey, what.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Are we doing here? Bud?
Speaker 7 (20:43):
Like I think outside of you, what Dan? The obvious
of what are we doing? Is why now?
Speaker 8 (20:50):
Like?
Speaker 7 (20:50):
Why would you force the issue on this now? And
is he at the helm of that? Because we've seen
plenty of instances of coaches that we knew were kind
of room for these certain things play out. What they've
got going on, and the way that this has all
played out really publicly with Old Miss, to me, I
always feel worse for the players, like that, What a
disservice to the players on this team right now, everything
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that's happened with this situation, whether it's the Old Miss
Brass that forced the ultimatum, whether it was just too
much to bear internally, you got a team that's in
the top ten of college football that we haven't talked
about on the field and god knows how long because
we're all wondering if their coach is even going to
be with them after the rivalry game.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
This weekend.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
So I just wonder, especially with the opportunity ahead of
them in a college football world that's infinitely more accessible
in terms of who can win the title.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
You had one of.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Those teams, and now it seems like everyone involved might
be willing to walk away from the table and let
that team go into the playoff with an interim head
coach or a head coach that knows he's going to
be gone to greener past years. The whole situation, it
just is bizarre, and I feel bad for the players
who will put so much into the season and have
had that certainly upended by this, but could potentially be
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even more upended after this weekend.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, and I wonder if it comes out if he
tells the team prior to that he's leaving, I would
say put it on the players to vote if they
want Lane Kiffin to be their coach after this for
the playoffs, even though you know the committee made ding
them if Lane Kiffin is not their head coach.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
And yeah, yeah, sorry sorry about that, Dan, but no,
I saw that point made.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
And I don't know.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
We've seen the committee ding teams for interesting things, but
I do think that's the right approach it should be
on the players if it comes down to that decision,
and if they're comfortable enough with that and say, hey,
you still give us the best chance to win this season,
especially considering a bunch of those players could follow him
if he goes. This is the Dan Agent college football
we live in, where you could pluck the core of
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your roster and help reset the foundation elsewhere there might
be a little bit less Oh, you're leaving us here
than there used to be, and so maybe with some
of that mercenary mindset, these guys could be more comfortable
with that the most.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
We're talking to Mike Gulli, junior co host of Golick
and Golick on FanDuel's Sports Network. Yeah, just trying to
figure this out of these How did we get to
the point where you're somebody's talking to somebody about your
next job during a season. I know what happens, but
why did it have to happen this way? Why couldn't
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this wait until the end of the season or at
least when you get into you know, the playoff, Like,
I don't know, it just it feels like coaches don't
want distractions, but the coaches created the distraction and that's
what you know. That has to be a better way
to do this. Mike there does I think all of
it to me just boils down to like the pressure now,
(23:42):
Don't get me wrong, like some of the way that
this has been framed around Lane Kiffin, like he's got
a role in this too. This is not just something
that's happening to him. So I don't want to use
this as like a way to make him a victim
of circumstance that he is, at least in part helped create.
But I do think this all I'm from the pressure
to win now in college that leads to the massive
(24:03):
buyout that we've seen because all these coaches understand, Hey,
especially in this day and age, when you can come
in an overhaul roster in one year with the portal,
I got to come in and show your results now,
because if not in two or three years at these places,
you wind up like Brian Kelly, having to fight for
your buyout with the school that's trying to go back
and fire you for cause for ways that don't make sense.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
And so what does that mean? I have to get
in because the transfer portal window did used to open
during the playoffs in December and now opens in January.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
So we've got to get.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Ahead start on that class. I've got to get a
head start on recruiting the next group of guys they're
going to be in high school, and just get the
things going here at a time where we've created more
postseason than ever before, so it's going to affect more
games when you pull out and do that. And so
I think all of that that urgency of hey, if
I'm going to take this next big opportunity forever, it's
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got to start tonight, Like we've got to get going
on this now, because if we don't, we're already behind
this ever churning machine. And if you fall behind too far,
now all of a sudden you're the guy with the
massive buyout getting ready to go on college game.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Help me understand this. I know we want to protect
the NFL players, We've changed the kickoff rule. Do we
not want to protect the college players? Why don't we
have the same kickoff formation in college as we do
in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Dan, It's a.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
Great question, and I have no idea college in so
many ways is resistant to doing things anywhere close to
the NFL level. In like weird little bits of minute details,
and I'd agree. Now, maybe the people at large in college,
although it's not like you've got an NFLPA in college
that can commission studies and the NFL Central body, Like,
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no one runs this in college football, and so no one.
Maybe the conference heads could do it within the big
tag of the SEC or the ACC, but like there's
no one here that's going to amass the data that
cares enough about it to then try and get it
implemented across the whole sport, Like this is part of
the difficulty in college football of having no one in
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charge of anything that's going on. Because you're right, if
that at the highest level of football is something they
felt was necessary in one of the most violent plays
in the sport, then yeah, it would to me make
an overwhelming amount of sense for player safety reasons, for continuity,
reasons for these guys going to the next level. Like
your job is to win games in college, but I
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do think if you can do it in such a
way that helps prepare guys for the biggest job interview
of their life, hey, that's probably not a bad deal
either overall structurally, So your guest as good as mine.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
At your peak could you take down a turkey dinner?
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Oh yeah, absolutely. At my peak, I was a bottomless pit.
I was a bunch of raccoons in a trench code,
not just one. So yeah, no, I was about that life.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
But then you got your dad and your brother Jake
is even bigger than every you guys.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Yeah, it was a.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Competition for resources at the table every year in the
goal of family Thanksgiving, Like.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
There was no room for manners or the korum.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
You just had to get in there and get what
you thought was yours established dominance at the table, or
else you were going to be sitting there with a
plate that was lacking around everybody else who was enjoying themselves.
So I like to think that was where the competitive
fire was born, not on the athletic field, but just
having to scrap it out for food at home.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Happy Thanksgiving, Good to talk to you, Thank you, Mike,
Happy thanksgetting to appreciate it. Mike Golick, junior co host
of Golick and Golick on FanDuel Sports Network.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
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Speaker 2 (27:41):
Ross Tucker CBS Sports Westwood One college football analyst, and
you can follow him on social media at Ross Tucker NFL.
He was in the booth for the Browns and the
Raiders last weekend, and he'll be on the call for
Iowa and Nebraska kicking off tomorrow at noon Eastern non CBS.
Let's get the important question out of the way. Have
you ever eaten a whole turkey?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
No?
Speaker 8 (28:05):
I don't think so, but I think I probably could
if I really wanted to, I definitely could have. When
I was high school, college of the NFL. I mean,
I look back on it now and my wife's still
marvels Dan. When we first were in Dallas and Chipotle,
that's when Chipotle started. I used to eat two burritos,
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no problem.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
High school and college.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
I used to go to Subway and get two foot
long bmt's biggest medias tastiest. I would get double meat
ad bacon and eat two foot longs like I wasn't
eating machine for a good ten year period of my life.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
All Right, that's all I wanted to talk to you about.
Happy thanksgetting there. Where do you want to start? What's
your biggest question mark that will be answered this weekend
in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
Ooh, that is a really really good one, man. I
feel like the NFL did a terrific job with these
standalone games the next couple of days. You know, I
mean Packers, Lions. I'm not sure I look at them
either one of them right now, Dan as super Bowl contenders.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
You know, when I go on all the other.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
Shows all you know, wherever I cheat on you sometimes
I do go on other shows from time to time they'll.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Say, who are the legit super Bowl contenders?
Speaker 8 (29:30):
And I guess right now, I kind of feel like
I have a tough time picturing it being anybody other
than the Rams or the Eagles in the NFC. And
I say that because the Lions and Packers just haven't
shown enough consistency for me to picture them winning three
playoff games. And even the Seahawks, so I think, are
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really good. I don't think they're going to win that division.
So does that mean I think Sam Darnold's gonna win
three road playoff games? I don't, so I think right
now it's the Eagles or the Rams. With the Rams
pretty clearly I think being the best team in football
so that Lions Packers matchup is huge for both those teams.
You know, I'm curious to see if the Cowboys can
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keep this momentum going after the win against the Eagles,
whereas the Chiefs finally won a one score game and
they look like a good team in that game, and
then even you know, tomorrow night Joe Burrow out there
and then I can't believe that, I mean, out of
all the games, for the Black Friday game to.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Be eight and three Bears eight and three Eagles.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
I don't know many people were expecting that when that
first came out. So kudos tip of the cap to
the NFL schedule makers for the standalone game the next
couple of.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Days better for the NFL if the Cowboys win or
the Chiefs win.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Ooh, I think if the Cowboys win, because the Cowboys still.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Have some more standalone games.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
If they lose, they're pretty much you know, if they lose,
they're out of it.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
If they win, then the.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Following Thursday, they play the Lions on Thursday Night Football
be calling that game for west Wood One. Then the
Cowboys all of a sudden have a real chance and
get interesting. Plus, even if the Chiefs lose. I almost
think it makes them more compelling for the rest of
the year as they scratch and claw to try to
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make the playoffs, to try to get a chance to
get into the tournament.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
So I think it's better for the NFL.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
If the Cowboys win, Joe Burrow is going to play
against the Ravens like they may not make the playoffs.
I'm talking about the Bengals. Obviously it's a long shot,
but they're going to decide who wins the AFC North
because you got the Ravens twice. Now. Chris collins Worth
yesterday said he would not bring back Joe Burrow.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
What do you think. I don't think I would either.
I don't think I would either. You know, unfortunately, Joe
is injury prone. I think last year might have been
the only year where he didn't get injured. It's clearly
a lost season. Even in this game at Baltimore, you
don't have Trey Hendrickson, you don't have t Higgins, and
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I'm sure Burrow will play well enough in these games
that they'll win a couple of them. And you know,
I think the fans will appreciate that he's out there playing.
He wants to play. But man, he'd better be one
hundred percent. Dan, He'd better not be even a little
bit compromised, cause I'm gonna be watching that. We all
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will Thursday night. You know what they're gonna do. They're
gonna bring pressure on them, make him move around. This
is the NFL, Okay, If they're not sure whether or
not you're one hundred percent, they're going.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
To test it. Right.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
Like if I played against a guy and he had
a bad arm or had his hand in the cast,
I attacked that arm, you know, like I I ran
that way.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I mean, like, if there's a scab in the NFL,
you pick it.
Speaker 8 (32:59):
So Joe Burrow better not have a scab because they'll
attack it if he does.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I'm talking to Ross Tucker the Ross Tucker Football Podcast.
You can follow him on social media at Ross Tucker NFL.
He'll be on the call for Iowa and Nebraska Friday
at noon Eastern on CBS. Last weekend, you got to
call shud Or Sanders first NFL start. Did he do
enough to warrant starting against the Niners this weekend?
Speaker 5 (33:23):
No question? I was impressed, Dan.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
I thought overall it was a very favorable evaluation. He
didn't light the world on fire. They didn't need him to.
He did have a tremendous throw on the run to
Isaiah Bond. I just can't picture Dylan Gabriel making that play.
But you know what it was, Dan, Maybe this is
me as the former offensive lineman.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
It was the eye test. You know.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
He wasn't drifting out of the back of the pocket.
He was stepping up as they encouraged him to do.
He was getting rid of the ball pretty quickly. He
was poised.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
He was now.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
I don't know why the Raiders didn't blitz him more
than they did, but he only took one sack. He
got fooled on an interception. That'll happen. I think he
thought the guy was buzzing to the flat. They kind
of tricked him on that one. But I would say
the biggest thing for me was from that second half
against the Ravens to this game against the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
There was clear strides.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
I mean, he made significant improvement in getting rid of
the ball and not taking sacks and not drifting back
in the pocket. I, like everybody else, especially Browns fans,
I want to see more.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
I want to see how much he improves from start
one to start two.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
But you know this feeling as well as anybody. When
you go to the line of scrimmage you're an offensive lineman.
The difference between I have no idea too. You know,
this guy's got a little bit of confidence there, or
he can throw the ball downfield. It just felt like
he gave his team a lift because they knew that
he Dylan Gabriel's not making those twenty yard throws and
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Shador is not afraid. He's got a better arm, And
it just feels like they're a little more threatening now.
I know when they got down to the goal line,
they got into the red zone, they weren't you know,
it wasn't Shador. They were a running football team, which
is what it feels like Kevin Stefanski still wants to be.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Yeah, they went to the wildcat, which, by the way,
I feel like, and I said this during the broadcast,
that's so demoralizing for the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
You know, when the other team says.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
We're gonna tell you right now, there's no chance we're
throwing the ball, zero chance, and they still run it
right down your throat. That's a little embarrassing if you
ask me. Uh, but you're right about shadoor Driver. I'll
say this, that was the best the offensive line's played
all year, I thought. And it's almost like talking with
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Joel Buttonio the day before the game.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
They knew that they needed to, you know.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Rise their level of play to help Shador to give
them a chance. But did you see Miles Garrett's face
when Shador threw that bomb to bond As By the way,
he was getting smashed by Max Crosby. You know, he
did enough, and it's almost like his reputation precedes him.
They know he had a lot of flashy plays in
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college that he did Engender and Foster. I think some
belief amongst the players, which really goes a long way.
Now that can go out of the window quick too.
But I think you know, if you think your quarterback
gives you a legit chance, and you feel good about
your quarterback, it makes a big difference.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
I've been on both sides of that.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
If I told you in August Matthew Stafford would win
the NFL MVP, you would have said, what.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
You're an idiot? I mean, Dan, this is how dumb
I am.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
On the even Money Betting podcast, all we kept saying
is take the under on Stafford passing yards because remember
during training camp he didn't do anything. He had a
herni a disk in his back. He got an epic.
He is having I don't have the stats. Maybe somebody
can check me stutt of the day, but he's having
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the greatest season by a thirty seven year old with
a herniat disk.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Dura will never practice one time during training camp and
NFL history, I mean, he's clearly the MVP.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
After not doing anything, He's now setting the template for
all older quarterbacks. I'm gonna do nothing during training camp,
not practice one time. I'll show up the first week
of the season and just be awesome.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Safe travels to Nebraska. I hope it's a great Thanksgiving
out there for you. Has that a direct flight?
Speaker 5 (37:37):
It is not a direct flight. Nope.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
I'll be pitstop, quick, pitstop in Chicago.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
But I love you know, I love college football.
Speaker 8 (37:45):
I love rivalries, and I love how much this game
means the people of Iowa and Nebraska. That's what you want,
right as a broadcaster. You want to be calling big
games that mean a lot to the people involved.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
That'll be Friday at noon Eastern on CBS. Thank you, Ross,
Thank you Dan, that's the great great Ross Tucker there
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We bring in Brady Quinn, Fox College football analyst, former
Notre Dame quarterback. Also the show that precedes hours on
Fox Sports, The Two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
He's going to be at the Big House. It's Ohio
State Michigan Saturday, nine am Eastern is when they get started,
big noon kickoff. How would you compare Notre Dame USC
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to Michigan and Ohio State rivalry.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Well, I grew up in Columbus, Ohio, So I've got
a pretty good idea of the differences between its two
only because of the nature of both schools, how close
they are in proximity, the types of players that they
traditionally recruit in both states, you know, the top players,
and so it's just an entirely different feel between its
two because they're both two Midwest schools. And so it's
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not a battle of culture where you get that a
little bit with you know, Catholicism and Notre Dame in
the Midwest versus like the so cow laid bag, like
let's go out and surf and I don't want to
believe in anything, or I believe in everything. So it's
a very stark contrast between the two fan bases for
SC Notre Dame versus what you get in Michigan in
Ohio State. I mean, these are two programs and two
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schools know that you know each other so well. There's
so much history behind it, just in regards to even
the coaching staffs and all of that. So I would
say with Notre Dame SC, there's tradition, there's history, there's both.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Schools kind of honoring, at least used to.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I don't know if that tradition will continue, but honoring
kind of the differences between the two.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
With Ohio State Michigan, I don't feel like either or
honoring anything.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I feel like it's a he it's you against us,
and that's all that matters this one day every year,
and depending on the outcome, we're never going to forget
it for theer in sixty four days, regardless of how
well our team does in the playoff, for even winning
a national championship.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Michigan's an oh by the way, what nine and two
I get they don't feel threatening, but you know, in
this game it does. I mean we've seen where better teams,
better records, doesn't matter how dangerous is Michigan in this game.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I think they're more dangerous than last year. I mean,
they're playing at home.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
They've got a freshman quarterback who oozes with talent and ability,
and he's started to develop chemistry with this freshman wide
receiver Andrew marsh McCauley's coming along. So the passing game
has kind of seen more bright spots of late than
bad spots.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
So I would say if you're looking at this matchup.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
After last year, when I think Davis warrenth threw for
like sixty yards and they're playing in Columbus, they were
the biggest underdogs they've ever been in this rivalry. Yeah,
this year, they've got a much better team and should
have a better chance of imposing their will and doing
what they do every single time these two teams have
played over the last four years head into five years,
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is Michigan's going to try to make you play this
game in a phone booth, and they're gonna try to
win the trenches. They're gonna limit the amount of possessions
of Ohio State gets, and they're gonna try to eliminate
guys like Jeremiah Smith and Carnelzate and the big playability
of this offense, and say we want you to try
to run the football and be better than us. We're
not gonna let you win this game throwing to two
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of the best players in the entire country will be
first round draft picks, and we'll see if you can
do it.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
If he would answer, what would you ask Lane Kiffin today?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I would ask him what is the one determining factor
in where he's going to go next?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Like, what's the number one thing you're are prioritizing most?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
But what do you think it is?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I'm not a big offer, one hundred million dollars contract reportedly,
Dan so I would say it's it's hard for any
human being to turn down what is generational wealth. You're
offered that sort of opportunity.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But all knows they're going to match that, so let's
take money out of this. So then yet, but just
now it still comes down to money with nil and collectives,
you know, the roster, all of that. But is this
just I can get more talent? There is he going
to fall? Not fall the victim too? But Brian Kelly
(04:21):
couldn't win a national title, you know, in his mind
at Notre Dame, So I'm going to LSU where I've
got all of this talent. Is that what this comes
down to, is Lane Kiffin going to follow?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I mean I think if you look at that decision
Brian Brian Kelly and retrospect, now you kind of looking
back on it like, well else kind of foolish. But
I think there's a star contrast between Lane Kiff and
Brian Kelly in the sense that like Lane Kiffin is
willing to recruit. I mean, half the time he's driving
around in a nice car with a recruit in the back,
they're filming.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Some sort of video. Brian Kelly didn't want to do that.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And so if you look at what makes Lane successful
at Ole miss and what can make him successful at
LSU or Florida, it's the fact that not only do
you just really have to I mean, you can recruit
nationally for a number of players, but you don't have
to go too far in that region or in that
state before you find some of the best players in
the country.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
So if it's not.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Money and it really comes down to your best chance
of winning a national championship, I think you'd have to
look at the track record of LSU head coaches and
say it's probably LSU.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Then now is could it get messy?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Of course, when you have a good opener, getting involved
with the conversation around the head coach had that institution.
But I do think if you look at the track
record of at Orizaran, Les Miles, Nicksaban, if you're a
Lane Kiffen and you're saying, maybe we've hit our ceiling
at Old Miss, then LSU would be that next job
that comes up, and I feel like would give him
the best chance.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
To do so.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
If USC could hire Lane Kiffen, do you think they
would do that?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Well, let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Over the last four years, all right, Lane Kiffin's record,
I believe so off the top of my head, is
like thirty nine and eleven. He's got two on one
in bowl games, never won a conference champion ship, and
the highest he's finished in the polls is eleventh. It's
probably gonna be different this year. If you look at
Lincoln Riley's record, I think he's thirty four and seventeen,
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also two and one goal games high Seed's finished his
twelfth in the final poll.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
How different really are they?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It was brought up to me last night by a
college source saying, I'm asking you the.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Question, like, how different are they?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
It feels like Lane overachieved and Lincoln underachieved.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
But doesn't it take a job like a blue blood
like sc then to determine whether someone over underachieved. Like
it's kind of all upside and old miss unless you
just completely flam out. And that's where if you go
to an LSU and you're not meeting expectations, are all
even throwing at another job that he's not up for.
But like Penn State, Penn State moved on from James
frank because they din't feel like they could win the
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big game. So what's the next head coach going to
be expected to do? Every top ten game, every top
five game, they're expected to win because because that's what
you were brought in here to do. It wasn't to
win ten to eleven, you know, twelve games.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And mistake Brady in retrospect, now you've got to find
somebody who's better than James Franklin.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah, I would say one the timing of it, yes,
I didn't feel like that was the right timing to
move on from James Franklin, especially the way the team's
playing now.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
They're obviously playing much more inspired football last two games
they've won, and you know they were even close, you know,
previously to that. But it just it felt like it
was a little early to throw in the towel, even
though they were on the skid. And I think, if
you're going to move on from a guy like James Franklin,
you better have that next guy like loaded ready to
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go and not be like, well, this is who our
top target is.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It's like, no, that this should be like already done.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
And I understand there's a lot of ways that this
needs to work, and that's probably not the proper way
of doing it, which is one of the reasons why
I think the time was terrible. Like they could have
waited till at the end of the season. They could
have waited to see how things played out. I mean,
now it kind of looks like maybe you shouldn't have
fired him after if Matt wll was your target.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, but you might he's going to win and then
keep his job. It felt like this was booster impatient
and they're like, you know, we're not gonna we got
to start winning these games. We're not winning these games,
and you know, the shelf life for him at Penn
State was expiring.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
But isn't that the truth of what college football is
right now?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yestient.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
It's not run by well, it's not run by presidents
and ads. Yes, it's run by boosters.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I mean, when you're talking about who's ultimately funding these rosters,
it's the rich guy who what's school there that wants
to be a part of the process. That party played
fantasy and is like, you know what, I think I
can figure this stuff out. I watched enough you know
whatever recruiting website and seeing the huddle highlights, and I
think this kid's a really good player. So you know,
I'm gonna put a bunch of money in here. So
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that's essentially what this has become, has it?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Not talking to Brady Quinn Big noon kickoff, It'll be
at the Big House at Ohio State. Michigan. They start
their coverage at nine am Eastern, go to noon Eastern. Unfucked.
I'm not going to name any names, but I was
told that there is a school that's getting really good
at stealing signs. Now, this isn't a Michigan Connor Stallion's
(09:20):
This is actually somebody watching on the other sidelines and
legally stealing signs. Have you heard about this?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Well, I had heard about this forever ago, because even
when you're a backup quarterback and you're on the sideline,
you're trying to steal signals during a game.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I mean, that's that's part of the game and ship.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
If I know that we can shift her motion as
an offense to something and I can dictate or predict
what your coverage is, of course you're going to steal
every sign possible, whether it's from the sideline or from
the player.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
You know, these defensive guys, yes, not the sharpest tools
in the shed.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
So usually they'll be something like, hey, hey, you're like,
oh is that a tee for to Tampa?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Oh okay, great, Yeah, we've got you here. Or hey,
we're gonna we're gonna, we're gonna we're gonna lock locking.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Oh oh, so it's man to man because you're locking
man to man of that guy, gotcha, Like, of course
we're going.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
To use that to our advantage.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Which, by the way, you know, the whole sign stealing
thing with Conner Stiens in Michigan, to me, it was
a Pandora's box that no one really wanted to open
because there was a lot of teams doing it. I
think since Connor Steyan's has left and he's been more
emboldened to talk about it. You know, he's trading this
information with other teams and they were willing to trade
with him.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I mean, it is probably the secret to college football
that not many people want to address. It's one of
the reasons why I think they needed to coach the
quarterback communication. Uh, probably a long time ago when they
could have implemented it to eliminate some of the signs signaling,
which would would help. Right if you're you know, communicating
it into your player, there really should be much signing
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going on unless you're playing up tempo where you get
the line and you call play and you know you're
use a double caateence to something of that you know nature.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It feels like Andrew luck is really really close to
being the head coach at Stanford, Like this was almost
a prep year for him. What do you think it's.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
A big time commitment. You know, I don't know Andrew personally.
Obviously respect him a ton as a former player.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
He's got time. What else is he doing? But but I.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Also think is being the general manager of Stanford's a
huge investment of time too. And if you're trying to
raise a family and get all these things going on,
like I don't know, do you do you want to
have to, you know, sacrifice essentially raising your kids to
raise someone else's That's what it feels like being a
college football head coach is nowadays.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
When you include that, you're not just coaching.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
You know, you're you're dealing with recruiting, you're dealing with
talent evaluation, you're dealing with nil and fundraising and there's
a lot of hats that college football head coaches. Where
does he need to invite that into his life? Does
he want to? And also I think there's always this
thought too, if you go back to your alma mater
and you coach there and everything's gonna work out and it's.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Going to be perfect, Well, why isn't he does that
it doesn't work out?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
And what was if it flames out, that doesn't kind
of tarnish his feelings about it or maybe how how
he's agree.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I never hire somebody you can't fire, and we've seen
that with basketball with Patrick Ewing, Chris mallin Clyde Dregsler
going to bring somebody back, and there's going to be
that day that they go just not working out here.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And I also think there's an element of thought that like,
even though you need to understand the landscape that you're
entering into as a head coach, if they're hiring you
this because things weren't going well and oftentimes you got
to create some sort of change and maybe you need
the outside of the box thinking that comes from someone
else who's been somewhere else. Like right now, I don't
know why Bob Chas he's not getting more interviews or
discussion for a major power for head coaching job, Like
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if we want to keep using Kurt Signetti and they
turn around they've been able to make in two years time,
and we're all trying to figure out how they do it.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
It's like, well, the guy knows how to coach because.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
He did it at lower levels with less resources and
less talent everything else, and he's been able to bring
some of the players to Indiana but also bring a
lot of what he was able to do been prior
years with lesser teams to have success.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
On a higher level.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Why are we looking at Bob Chesney like because he's
just done the same exact thing to get to the
point at James Madison, and he's continued on what Kurt
Signetti did there, and yet like we're not hearing as
much buzz about it.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I think State, maybe Penn State, maybe Penn State.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Penn State would be a job that I think, you know,
would make a lot of sense for again, someone like
Bob Chesney, someone like Jeff Mounkin. You know, you want
someone who's been able to build a program that's able
to overachieve with less and and those two guys, without
a doubt fall in that category. I know, arms not
having going to be year this year, to go back
last year and the season that they had.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
All right only be with this. Is it better for
the Chiefs or the Cowboys to win tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Well, I mean, did the Chiefs really have much of
an option just because of how much Parry.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And Howl like the storyline? Well, storylines, I.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Think you'd say it's probably better for Dallas, right, I mean,
you get two storylines coming out of that. Everyone expects
that the Chiefs are going to be in the mix.
If they drop one, how many more can they afford
to lose. And on the flip side, Dallas kind of
getting back into that conversation. And also it's the Dallas Cowboys,
like Jerry Jones is probably gonna say something wild out there.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I mean, it could be about football, could be about
Thanksgiving dinner.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Maybe he's not a fan of Thanksgiving me. I don't know.
Maybe you fall into that category. Maybe you're one of
those like, ah, it's not really for me.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
I eat turkey once a year unless it's on a sandwich,
you know, So maybe he's not a Thanksgiving yet.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Safe travels. Are you gonna you get booed when you
go to Michigan, don't you?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yes, there's a there's a decent amount of booing. I
let them know though. You know, only started one game
back in two thousand and five in Michigan, and we
make sure we got out of there with the victory.
So I know it's been a while. But you know
a lot of these a lot of his young cats
don't know history, such the young kids that talk trash.
The older fans will say, yeah, you can't really say anything,
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and then Urban walks out there and they all boot
him and they're just like, you can't say anything either,
And then and then and the wider walks out there,
he's like, yeah, we beat you when you played it twos.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
You can only say, so there's there really shouldn't be
any trash talking.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
But they're Michigan fans, so they're gonna stick their nose
about you, and they're gonna make sure they talk down
to you and act like, you know, they won the
national championship last season, even though it was actually Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Safe travels, play nice.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Thank you, We'll do our best. Happy thanks to Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
That's Brady Quinn.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
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Speaker 2 (16:34):
More phone calls coming up. Our buddy Ross Tucker in
an hour from now. He's got Iowa and Nebraska tomorrow.
Believe that's a noon Eastern kickoff. Mike Golig, junior, co
host of Golick and Golick on FanDuel's Sports Network, former
Notre Dame offensive lineman and back on the program. Great
to see you, Bud him. Give me the most must
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win game of the weekend for you?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Ooh, the most college or pro?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
What do you want to either one? The most must
win is who I.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Would say the most must win this week, and to
me feels like the game for Ryan Day. Like Ohio
States accomplished a lot, this team would still be in
the playoff even with the loss, but considering the recent
run they've been on and everything else that's finally mounted
in his favor, this is kind.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Of the last remaining box to check.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
And it's strange because this year I feel so much
better about Ohio State provided their best wide receivers are healthy,
even though last year going into this game they were
favored by more it was a far worse Michigan team
than the one they're going against this year. But I
just think the matchup in a bunch of the key areas,
specifically Ohio States defense and what Matt Patricia has done
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versus a freshman quarterback for Michigan, even at home where
he's been better this season, it feels like a tough one.
So I think if you're Ryan Day, hey, you've got
the fan base back on your side after the run
you went on last year. If you really want to
stamp your place now in the lore of this rivalry
and at the helm of this team, I think you
got to win this weekend.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Do you imagine if Michigan won?
Speaker 7 (18:06):
Oh, it's I mean. And the thing is, we went
through this last year where people were legitimately it felt
like around Columbus starting to talk about Ryan Day's job
in a way that feels insane for all the rest
of us that see what Ohio State has, what he's accomplished,
But you understand those games mean more, and those pain
points in these rivalry series are always tough to come by.
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So yeah, I don't know what it would do. He's
They're not going to do anything because he won the
championship and still could this year, but it just would
make things really awkward of the Thanksgiving dinner table this
year and next year if it happened.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Now you, of course, we're an offensive lineman at Notre
Dame and probably you know keep an eye on Notre
Dame far more than most of us. But I'm wondering,
wondering if this style of running the football to a
national title, can they do that?
Speaker 7 (18:55):
I think they can, and I think doing that is
easier because you also have a quarterback that's now been
able to stretch the field and the way that's different
Like last year, Dan looking at Notre Dame when Riley
Lennon was the quarterback that was a Hey, there are
no frills and no questions about how we're going to
do this. We're going to hand the ball off a
bunch of these running backs. Our quarterback when we get
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into fourth and one is going to be a human
battering ram and he is even going to erase the edges.
I think back to the Georgia game last year in
the CFP run for Notre Dame where Riley Leonard gets
through the perimeter and against sec caliber NFL caliber athletes
like Jalen Walker, who is going to go on against
the Falcons. He's erasing the edge against them and finding
the perimeter. So that team was that there were I
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said it was masters of the obvious last year for
Notre Dame, and everything they did this year, there's a
little bit more sleight of hand because CJ cars come
in and stretch the field. For this team, the explosive
play rate, their ability to hit downfield with players like
Malati Fields, the transfer wide receiver from Virginia, I think
have put defenses in a conundrum. And look no further
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than what USC decided to do against Notre Dame when
it came to South Bend.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Notre Dame with two.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
Prolific running backs runners up for the Heisman right now,
and USC said, we would rather not have your passing
attack beat us, So we're gonna put two safeties deep.
We're gonna play back and try and take away the
passing attack. And as a result, Notre Dame handed off
the ball over and over again and broke their will
in that game. Because USC had to do the math
problem ended up guessing wrong. And that's the ability Notre
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Dame has. This year that makes it different, But the
engine that still makes it all go is Jeremiah Love
and I absolutely think he's a great enough player for
them to ride to a title.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
If Lane Kiffen would answer the question, what question would
you ask, Hey, what.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Are we doing here? Bud?
Speaker 7 (20:43):
Like I think outside of you, what Dan? The obvious
of what are we doing? Is why now?
Speaker 8 (20:50):
Like?
Speaker 7 (20:50):
Why would you force the issue on this now? And
is he at the helm of that? Because we've seen
plenty of instances of coaches that we knew were kind
of room for these certain things play out. What they've
got going on, and the way that this has all
played out really publicly with Old Miss, to me, I
always feel worse for the players, like that, What a
disservice to the players on this team right now, everything
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that's happened with this situation, whether it's the Old Miss
Brass that forced the ultimatum, whether it was just too
much to bear internally, you got a team that's in
the top ten of college football that we haven't talked
about on the field and god knows how long because
we're all wondering if their coach is even going to
be with them after the rivalry game.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
This weekend.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
So I just wonder, especially with the opportunity ahead of
them in a college football world that's infinitely more accessible
in terms of who can win the title.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
You had one of.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Those teams, and now it seems like everyone involved might
be willing to walk away from the table and let
that team go into the playoff with an interim head
coach or a head coach that knows he's going to
be gone to greener past years. The whole situation, it
just is bizarre, and I feel bad for the players
who will put so much into the season and have
had that certainly upended by this, but could potentially be
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even more upended after this weekend.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, and I wonder if it comes out if he
tells the team prior to that he's leaving, I would
say put it on the players to vote if they
want Lane Kiffin to be their coach after this for
the playoffs, even though you know the committee made ding
them if Lane Kiffin is not their head coach.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
And yeah, yeah, sorry sorry about that, Dan, but no,
I saw that point made.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
And I don't know.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
We've seen the committee ding teams for interesting things, but
I do think that's the right approach it should be
on the players if it comes down to that decision,
and if they're comfortable enough with that and say, hey,
you still give us the best chance to win this season,
especially considering a bunch of those players could follow him
if he goes. This is the Dan Agent college football
we live in, where you could pluck the core of
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your roster and help reset the foundation elsewhere there might
be a little bit less Oh, you're leaving us here
than there used to be, and so maybe with some
of that mercenary mindset, these guys could be more comfortable
with that the most.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
We're talking to Mike Gulli, junior co host of Golick
and Golick on FanDuel's Sports Network. Yeah, just trying to
figure this out of these How did we get to
the point where you're somebody's talking to somebody about your
next job during a season. I know what happens, but
why did it have to happen this way? Why couldn't
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this wait until the end of the season or at
least when you get into you know, the playoff, Like,
I don't know, it just it feels like coaches don't
want distractions, but the coaches created the distraction and that's
what you know. That has to be a better way
to do this. Mike there does I think all of
it to me just boils down to like the pressure now,
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Don't get me wrong, like some of the way that
this has been framed around Lane Kiffin, like he's got
a role in this too. This is not just something
that's happening to him. So I don't want to use
this as like a way to make him a victim
of circumstance that he is, at least in part helped create.
But I do think this all I'm from the pressure
to win now in college that leads to the massive
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buyout that we've seen because all these coaches understand, Hey,
especially in this day and age, when you can come
in an overhaul roster in one year with the portal,
I got to come in and show your results now,
because if not in two or three years at these places,
you wind up like Brian Kelly, having to fight for
your buyout with the school that's trying to go back
and fire you for cause for ways that don't make sense.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
And so what does that mean? I have to get
in because the transfer portal window did used to open
during the playoffs in December and now opens in January.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
So we've got to get.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Ahead start on that class. I've got to get a
head start on recruiting the next group of guys they're
going to be in high school, and just get the
things going here at a time where we've created more
postseason than ever before, so it's going to affect more
games when you pull out and do that. And so
I think all of that that urgency of hey, if
I'm going to take this next big opportunity forever, it's
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got to start tonight, Like we've got to get going
on this now, because if we don't, we're already behind
this ever churning machine. And if you fall behind too far,
now all of a sudden you're the guy with the
massive buyout getting ready to go on college game.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Help me understand this. I know we want to protect
the NFL players, We've changed the kickoff rule. Do we
not want to protect the college players? Why don't we
have the same kickoff formation in college as we do
in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Dan, It's a.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
Great question, and I have no idea college in so
many ways is resistant to doing things anywhere close to
the NFL level. In like weird little bits of minute details,
and I'd agree. Now, maybe the people at large in college,
although it's not like you've got an NFLPA in college
that can commission studies and the NFL Central body, Like,
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no one runs this in college football, and so no one.
Maybe the conference heads could do it within the big
tag of the SEC or the ACC, but like there's
no one here that's going to amass the data that
cares enough about it to then try and get it
implemented across the whole sport, Like this is part of
the difficulty in college football of having no one in
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charge of anything that's going on. Because you're right, if
that at the highest level of football is something they
felt was necessary in one of the most violent plays
in the sport, then yeah, it would to me make
an overwhelming amount of sense for player safety reasons, for continuity,
reasons for these guys going to the next level. Like
your job is to win games in college, but I
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do think if you can do it in such a
way that helps prepare guys for the biggest job interview
of their life, hey, that's probably not a bad deal
either overall structurally, So your guest as good as mine.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
At your peak could you take down a turkey dinner?
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Oh yeah, absolutely. At my peak, I was a bottomless pit.
I was a bunch of raccoons in a trench code,
not just one. So yeah, no, I was about that life.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
But then you got your dad and your brother Jake
is even bigger than every you guys.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Yeah, it was a.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Competition for resources at the table every year in the
goal of family Thanksgiving, Like.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
There was no room for manners or the korum.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
You just had to get in there and get what
you thought was yours established dominance at the table, or
else you were going to be sitting there with a
plate that was lacking around everybody else who was enjoying themselves.
So I like to think that was where the competitive
fire was born, not on the athletic field, but just
having to scrap it out for food at home.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Happy Thanksgiving, Good to talk to you, Thank you, Mike,
Happy thanksgetting to appreciate it. Mike Golick, junior co host
of Golick and Golick on FanDuel Sports Network.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
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Speaker 2 (27:41):
Ross Tucker CBS Sports Westwood One college football analyst, and
you can follow him on social media at Ross Tucker NFL.
He was in the booth for the Browns and the
Raiders last weekend, and he'll be on the call for
Iowa and Nebraska kicking off tomorrow at noon Eastern non CBS.
Let's get the important question out of the way. Have
you ever eaten a whole turkey?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
No?
Speaker 8 (28:05):
I don't think so, but I think I probably could
if I really wanted to, I definitely could have. When
I was high school, college of the NFL. I mean,
I look back on it now and my wife's still
marvels Dan. When we first were in Dallas and Chipotle,
that's when Chipotle started. I used to eat two burritos,
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no problem.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
High school and college.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
I used to go to Subway and get two foot
long bmt's biggest medias tastiest. I would get double meat
ad bacon and eat two foot longs like I wasn't
eating machine for a good ten year period of my life.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
All Right, that's all I wanted to talk to you about.
Happy thanksgetting there. Where do you want to start? What's
your biggest question mark that will be answered this weekend
in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
Ooh, that is a really really good one, man. I
feel like the NFL did a terrific job with these
standalone games the next couple of days. You know, I
mean Packers, Lions. I'm not sure I look at them
either one of them right now, Dan as super Bowl contenders.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
You know, when I go on all the other.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
Shows all you know, wherever I cheat on you sometimes
I do go on other shows from time to time they'll.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Say, who are the legit super Bowl contenders?
Speaker 8 (29:30):
And I guess right now, I kind of feel like
I have a tough time picturing it being anybody other
than the Rams or the Eagles in the NFC. And
I say that because the Lions and Packers just haven't
shown enough consistency for me to picture them winning three
playoff games. And even the Seahawks, so I think, are
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really good. I don't think they're going to win that division.
So does that mean I think Sam Darnold's gonna win
three road playoff games? I don't, so I think right
now it's the Eagles or the Rams. With the Rams
pretty clearly I think being the best team in football
so that Lions Packers matchup is huge for both those teams.
You know, I'm curious to see if the Cowboys can
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keep this momentum going after the win against the Eagles,
whereas the Chiefs finally won a one score game and
they look like a good team in that game, and
then even you know, tomorrow night Joe Burrow out there
and then I can't believe that, I mean, out of
all the games, for the Black Friday game to.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Be eight and three Bears eight and three Eagles.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
I don't know many people were expecting that when that
first came out. So kudos tip of the cap to
the NFL schedule makers for the standalone game the next
couple of.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Days better for the NFL if the Cowboys win or
the Chiefs win.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Ooh, I think if the Cowboys win, because the Cowboys still.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Have some more standalone games.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
If they lose, they're pretty much you know, if they lose,
they're out of it.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
If they win, then the.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Following Thursday, they play the Lions on Thursday Night Football
be calling that game for west Wood One. Then the
Cowboys all of a sudden have a real chance and
get interesting. Plus, even if the Chiefs lose. I almost
think it makes them more compelling for the rest of
the year as they scratch and claw to try to
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make the playoffs, to try to get a chance to
get into the tournament.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
So I think it's better for the NFL.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
If the Cowboys win, Joe Burrow is going to play
against the Ravens like they may not make the playoffs.
I'm talking about the Bengals. Obviously it's a long shot,
but they're going to decide who wins the AFC North
because you got the Ravens twice. Now. Chris collins Worth
yesterday said he would not bring back Joe Burrow.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
What do you think. I don't think I would either.
I don't think I would either. You know, unfortunately, Joe
is injury prone. I think last year might have been
the only year where he didn't get injured. It's clearly
a lost season. Even in this game at Baltimore, you
don't have Trey Hendrickson, you don't have t Higgins, and
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I'm sure Burrow will play well enough in these games
that they'll win a couple of them. And you know,
I think the fans will appreciate that he's out there playing.
He wants to play. But man, he'd better be one
hundred percent. Dan, He'd better not be even a little
bit compromised, cause I'm gonna be watching that. We all
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will Thursday night. You know what they're gonna do. They're
gonna bring pressure on them, make him move around. This
is the NFL, Okay, If they're not sure whether or
not you're one hundred percent, they're going.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
To test it. Right.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
Like if I played against a guy and he had
a bad arm or had his hand in the cast,
I attacked that arm, you know, like I I ran
that way.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I mean, like, if there's a scab in the NFL,
you pick it.
Speaker 8 (32:59):
So Joe Burrow better not have a scab because they'll
attack it if he does.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I'm talking to Ross Tucker the Ross Tucker Football Podcast.
You can follow him on social media at Ross Tucker NFL.
He'll be on the call for Iowa and Nebraska Friday
at noon Eastern on CBS. Last weekend, you got to
call shud Or Sanders first NFL start. Did he do
enough to warrant starting against the Niners this weekend?
Speaker 5 (33:23):
No question? I was impressed, Dan.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
I thought overall it was a very favorable evaluation. He
didn't light the world on fire. They didn't need him to.
He did have a tremendous throw on the run to
Isaiah Bond. I just can't picture Dylan Gabriel making that play.
But you know what it was, Dan, Maybe this is
me as the former offensive lineman.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
It was the eye test. You know.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
He wasn't drifting out of the back of the pocket.
He was stepping up as they encouraged him to do.
He was getting rid of the ball pretty quickly. He
was poised.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
He was now.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
I don't know why the Raiders didn't blitz him more
than they did, but he only took one sack. He
got fooled on an interception. That'll happen. I think he
thought the guy was buzzing to the flat. They kind
of tricked him on that one. But I would say
the biggest thing for me was from that second half
against the Ravens to this game against the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
There was clear strides.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
I mean, he made significant improvement in getting rid of
the ball and not taking sacks and not drifting back
in the pocket. I, like everybody else, especially Browns fans,
I want to see more.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
I want to see how much he improves from start
one to start two.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
But you know this feeling as well as anybody. When
you go to the line of scrimmage you're an offensive lineman.
The difference between I have no idea too. You know,
this guy's got a little bit of confidence there, or
he can throw the ball downfield. It just felt like
he gave his team a lift because they knew that
he Dylan Gabriel's not making those twenty yard throws and
(35:00):
Shador is not afraid. He's got a better arm, And
it just feels like they're a little more threatening now.
I know when they got down to the goal line,
they got into the red zone, they weren't you know,
it wasn't Shador. They were a running football team, which
is what it feels like Kevin Stefanski still wants to be.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Yeah, they went to the wildcat, which, by the way,
I feel like, and I said this during the broadcast,
that's so demoralizing for the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
You know, when the other team says.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
We're gonna tell you right now, there's no chance we're
throwing the ball, zero chance, and they still run it
right down your throat. That's a little embarrassing if you
ask me. Uh, but you're right about shadoor Driver. I'll
say this, that was the best the offensive line's played
all year, I thought. And it's almost like talking with
(35:47):
Joel Buttonio the day before the game.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
They knew that they needed to, you know.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Rise their level of play to help Shador to give
them a chance. But did you see Miles Garrett's face
when Shador threw that bomb to bond As By the way,
he was getting smashed by Max Crosby. You know, he
did enough, and it's almost like his reputation precedes him.
They know he had a lot of flashy plays in
(36:13):
college that he did Engender and Foster. I think some
belief amongst the players, which really goes a long way.
Now that can go out of the window quick too.
But I think you know, if you think your quarterback
gives you a legit chance, and you feel good about
your quarterback, it makes a big difference.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
I've been on both sides of that.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
If I told you in August Matthew Stafford would win
the NFL MVP, you would have said, what.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
You're an idiot? I mean, Dan, this is how dumb
I am.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
On the even Money Betting podcast, all we kept saying
is take the under on Stafford passing yards because remember
during training camp he didn't do anything. He had a
herni a disk in his back. He got an epic.
He is having I don't have the stats. Maybe somebody
can check me stutt of the day, but he's having
(37:06):
the greatest season by a thirty seven year old with
a herniat disk.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Dura will never practice one time during training camp and
NFL history, I mean, he's clearly the MVP.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
After not doing anything, He's now setting the template for
all older quarterbacks. I'm gonna do nothing during training camp,
not practice one time. I'll show up the first week
of the season and just be awesome.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Safe travels to Nebraska. I hope it's a great Thanksgiving
out there for you. Has that a direct flight?
Speaker 5 (37:37):
It is not a direct flight. Nope.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
I'll be pitstop, quick, pitstop in Chicago.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
But I love you know, I love college football.
Speaker 8 (37:45):
I love rivalries, and I love how much this game
means the people of Iowa and Nebraska. That's what you want,
right as a broadcaster. You want to be calling big
games that mean a lot to the people involved.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
That'll be Friday at noon Eastern on CBS. Thank you, Ross,
Thank you Dan, that's the great great Ross Tucker there
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