December 3, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan wonders if the Pittsburgh Steelers are ready to move on from HC Mike Tomlin if he can’t manage to win a playoff game. And former NFL OL Andrew Whitworth stops by to talk a little pigskin.
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Speaker 4 (01:01):
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All righty David Arkansas. They call him Pittsburgh Dave. I
believe Hi Dave, Yes they do.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
And if I'm a paraphrase Jimmy Chitwood a little bit,
I don't know if it's going to make any change,
but I think it's about time for me to start
talking about Mike Tomlin and and well, we've got to.
I think what we've got to really look at is
I think there's a disconnect somewhere. Something has gone wrong.
There's a short, there's a short in the system. And
(03:11):
I do think it's time for him to go. I
think he's lost the.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Room, I think.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
But I think it's still very possible he could, you know,
go three and two these last five games, they end
up with a winning record, and possible even with that
win the division, they can even win the playoff game. Hey,
they could still run it out. They're not going to,
but I think regardless one way or the other, even
if they were, then you win on top and let's go.
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But I think I think the disconnect is there, and
I think it's time for him to move on. Whether
or not that place is Penn State, I could see that,
but I think he wants to be a pro coach.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, I wouldn't see Penn State. I could see him
doing TV or maybe he would take over another like
the Bengals if they're open. He's I mean, there's going
to be opportunities here if he wants to coach elsewhere.
But you're right, if he doesn't have the Super Bowl,
then I wonder if he's still the head coach there
because that helps the resume. But you haven't won a
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playoff game since twenty sixteen, and this is a team
franchise city that expects championships, not just a playoff win,
and he hasn't been able to come up with that.
That has to be factored in, and you know, the
players change, but the coach is still there. And Ben
Roethlisberger of all people said, you know, maybe it's time
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to clean house, and that should resonate with people in
the front office, with Ben saying that I don't know
his relationship with Mike Tomlin, but to say That is
a pretty strong statement. Yeah, PAULI.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
They kind of remind me the Steelers of Michigan five
six years ago when they couldn't find a quarterback and
are using the portal and they were just a quarterback
away from winning the national title and they did. It
feels like the Steelers are a team that just can't
find a quarterback the past five years and makes you
realize how competitive Roethlisberger kept you year to year. Picket
Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, a guy who's too young, two
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guys who are too old. How about a guy who's
twenty eight years old in his prime, and I think
they'd be right back in the thick of.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Things they could have their quarterback. But I mean it's
just not a threatening team. I mean it used to
be pretty simple. They played good defense, they ran the ball,
and they could come up with a couple of big plays.
I mean, go back to Terry Bradshaw. They weren't a
throwing team. They were running team, and they had a
great defense. I mean Ben was different, be Ben's a
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unique quarterback there, but it's still they were running the football,
playing great defense, and then Ben would come up with
a couple of big plays, but you got to win
playoff games, not just get to the playoffs, and especially
with a window that that's wide open that twenty sixteen.
I mean that goes back to the coach. Remember they
were going to change the but the gm oh we
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got to change. We got to change the offensive coordinator.
And okay, Matt Canada, Okay, you changed it. Arthur Smith, Okay,
nothing's really changed here. And I think that's where you
have to start looking at this. He'll make a hard decision,
and that is if you move on, who are you
getting that's going to be better than Mike Tomlin as
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Penn State found out, you can move on who's going
to be better or as good?
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Yes, Marvin, and I feel like the Pittsburgh fan base
is probably telling them the national media, we've been saying
this for about four or five years, but they haven't
been the Steelers haven't been bad enough for us to
pay attention to Mike toomlass job security.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, and you're right, And there is that local narrative
and it's different from the national one because it's like
everybody's like, man, I want to play for him. Man,
he's a great case. He's a leader, man, he's others.
He might be all of those things, but he's not
a coach who's going to win in the playoffs and
he hasn't and he probably won't this year either. Yeah, pung.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
And if you go back the past five years in
the draft for the Steelers twenty eighteen, James Washington wide
receiver didn't work out, Deontay Johnson the next year didn't
work out, Chase Claypool complete bust, second round. Uh, George
Pickens no longer on the team, now a star for
another team. They didn't get max value for him.
Speaker 8 (07:13):
That's all.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Those are a bunch of whiffs at the receiver position
in a row.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
But we've also been told Mike Tomlin is involved in
the draft. So it's not one of those where he
doesn't have any say. It's not like he's, you know,
Dallas cowboy head coach. You know where, Hey, who are
we taking? We'll let you know. Mike Tomlin, you know,
has been has been widely reported involved in those drafts. Uh.
Andrew in Vegas, Good morning, Andrew, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8 (07:38):
Good morning DPTE.
Speaker 9 (07:39):
First off, thank you for toughing it out today. I'm
well aware it's still a laying kiff in season. But
I'd like to put Michigan as a contender for the
best basketball state with Michigan dominating, Michigan State undefeated and
the Pistons as well.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Okay, we didn't ask that question yet. We did the
best football state, we were factoring in college and pro.
The best basketball state. I'll have to give that some thought,
but maybe in February we do that. But Michigan, Michigan State,
and of course my Pistons playing well. But thank you, Andrew,
thank you. Uh, let's see Steven Pittsburgh. Hi, Steve, what's
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on your mind?
Speaker 8 (08:25):
First time?
Speaker 10 (08:26):
Five nine one ninety. Yes. So the way we look
at it in Pittsburgh is that he essentially that' starmland
inherited a Hall of fame quarterback, inherited a locker room
that was built in one super bowls and that's all he.
Speaker 11 (08:44):
Won in the beginning. In he had the triple bs,
they could do nothing with them. And you can just
see when he drafted Kenny Pickett has no idea what
he's doing on the offensive side.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
All right, Yeah, once again, as Marvin point it out,
the local conversation about toilant has been this way for
the last couple of years. Nationally. I don't think you
find too many analysts or shows that are going to
come after Mike Tomlin. Sunday Night, the pressure is on CJ.
Stroud in the Texans. They face Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs.
(09:18):
Which team will rise to the occasion? Sunday seven Eastern
NBC and Peacock, Nick and Irvine. Hi, Nick, welcome back, Dan.
Speaker 12 (09:29):
Always in honor to talk to a Hall of Famer.
I remember regularly calling and talking to Chick Hern after
Laker games all the way through the nineties, and I
definitely put you in that category.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Bro.
Speaker 12 (09:41):
I buried Chick and I'll bury you, but I'll definitely
be raising a pint to you if fat ever does happen.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Listen, Bro, easy there, Nick, I turned dark quickly, not.
Speaker 12 (09:54):
Dark, that's Irish happy right there.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Hey, you know.
Speaker 12 (09:59):
What I'm saying. Listen.
Speaker 8 (10:01):
You know we're living through this revolution.
Speaker 12 (10:03):
I mean it's amazing, you know, Like we learned about
the American Revolution, the Communist Revolution, the sexual revolution, whatever,
but the actual concept to see it happening. Dan. We
remember when there were three teams at the end of
a college football season, undefeated, and we want to see him.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Play many times two teams.
Speaker 12 (10:21):
And you tell a teenager or a high school football
player about this and they're like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 10 (10:25):
Now, we got all these teams playing each other.
Speaker 12 (10:27):
We got the NCAA, who's been kicked to the curve
to say the least. We got a professional we got
thirty million dollar payrolls and it's going to triple in
the next two years. We got I mean, and what
a revolution is and what it results in are questions
that you could not have even fathomed, you know, five
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years ago, and now we need immediate action. And so
you have people doing the wrong thing. You have people
acting unilaterally on a college by college basis. It's just
it's it's a revolution, and it's super exciting and it's
better than it was. But we need something to happen,
and it needs to be on a more unified basis.
Speaker 11 (11:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, I don't know if it's going to happen anytime soon, Nick,
And thank you, thank you. I'll toast a pint to
you when you go as well. But yeah, you start
to look at the chaos here, and if I'm college football,
You're like, Okay, all right, it's not perfect, but we
love You know, when you had the playoffs where it
was one versus two and then we went to four.
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I mean they were there was always conversation, and I
think they like that you were talking about their product.
Now all of a sudden, you're invested in BYU. Oh
my god, their coach turned down Penn State. BYU's got
Texas Tech. Texas Tech may have a Heisman candidate linebacker.
You know, it's interesting, but that's what you want in
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today's sports society. Is anybody talking about our sport? Yeah, Marvin, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
And I think if you're in any Power for or
Power five conference, you're gonna say to a recruit, a
we have a chance to win the national title and
get into the playoffs, where twenty years ago there was
no shot of BYU touching the BCS Bowl games.
Speaker 11 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I mean the fact that Texas Tech went out and
spent money and they have a really good team and
they're gonna be in the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Indiana. In my wildest imagination, I never thought we'd be
talking about Indiana as a team that could win the
national title, win football. They just didn't or a player
who's gonna win the Heisman or be up there for
the heisman. Just didn't think it could happen. But these
things are happening in real time in a span of
a year or two years. It's not like we built
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this program. This is a quick fix, yes see.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
But part of that is what drives me nuts though,
is that, like I think a story like Indiana is awesome,
but it's also sort of begrudgingly happened because maybe they
select your committee, like.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
We can't keep them out.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
You have to put them in because they won the
you know, they won their way in. But not everybody
is going to have that opportunity to do that. There's
still that element of it's sort of that gymnastics thing
that I was talking about before. You're still getting judged.
It's not just wins and losses. You don't just win
your way in. You have to do the wwe part
of it too of like yeah, well we got to
do it the right way, right.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I hate that an inexact science. There's no science at all.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
It's it's judge, it's judgment and artistry rather than just data.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Well, you have wins and losses for the data. But
then there's also the eye test as well for members
of the committee.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yes, and it's funny that college football is a debated
sport and it's all about opinion and what you're doing now,
And the most debated sport in our country is the NFL,
and the NFL is just math. Like the Patriots are
eleven and two. Your opinion of the Patriots doesn't matter.
They can get home field advantage and you can't decide
to get them out of it, no matter if you
think that the Bills are better. There's no debate really
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in pro football. Is like when they do power rankings,
those are kind of meaning with us.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yes, I mean they do fill up time. Yes, But
like the Bears have the best record in the NFC. Okay,
I'm not saying they're the best team, but they played
well enough. You know when they say, well, I haven't
played anybody. The good teams beat the teams they're supposed
to beat, and the Bears have been able to do that.
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It's not like the Bears go, hey, commissioner, can we
talk to you. We want to make up our schedule here.
So it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yes, yeah, it's they're sort of meaningless. I guess, and
that power rankings don't equate playoff seeds, so they don't
usually line up. So that is sort of the debatable
fun part. Like the Rams right now are like the
best team in the league even though they're actually not,
but they're playing like they are.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
So for that example, but.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
In college football, they'll actually take that and use it
as that and that's why this team is in and
that's garbage.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, the open to interpretation college f fall is all
power rankings. Yeah, but you know, when Chris Fowler said,
you know, it's not about the brand, like I disagree
with him. I think there's certain programs, certainly Notre Dame,
that the brand is omnipresent and whether you like them
or not, you will watch them. It's like Duke, whether
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you like them or not, you will watch them the Cowboys,
whether you like them or not, you're going to watch them.
And I think that factors in, and maybe it's subconsciously,
but it just feels like Notre Dame is a really
good team and they did have the home loss that
cost them with Texas A and m and they open
up the season, you know, they played Miami on the
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road and played him, you know, they went toe to
toe with them. But yeah, we're always going to have
these debates, and if we go to sixteen teams, we'll
continue to have these debates.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Yeah, Paul, I really don't want the sports to look
like each other. Like the NFL is like an antiseptic
Applebee's with the same menu, and you know what you're
gonna get when you walk in college football is the
dive bar with the pool table and stuff all over
the place and wires hanging down and shady stuff happening
in the bathroom that's not up to code. And seriously,
that's what college football feels like, the CD version of
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the NFL, and it's great.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Guess, tod do we believe in?
Speaker 13 (16:18):
Chris Paul refers to truth serum and we've used that
before in these selection committee rooms. Is it possible that
they're looking at paperwork that's trying to figure out, let's
exhaust every possible way to try to figure out how
to get Notre Dame, for example, in and make more
of an effort for one school over another. Does that
do you think that exists on any level?
Speaker 5 (16:37):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
No, I don't think it's Oh my gosh, hey Tommy,
did you come up with a reason to get Notre
Dame Manah, Sarah, what about you, Hey, Skippy, I don't
think it's that. I think it's more of just you
look at them and you go, okay, can we make
an argument for them? Either can or you can't, because
you know, you still have to have the numbers are there,
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Like BYU as a better resume than Notre Dame. And
if BYU beats Texas Tech, they certainly you know, will
be involved in the playoffs. If they don't win, then
they're not going to be in so as much as
and Notre Dame is really the outlier, Like how many
other schools I'd love to have USC in but their
resume doesn't match up Alabama, Georgia, They're going to be
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in Ohio, State's going to be in. So I think
that there's always those schools. I mean, nobody's clamoring, you know,
for somebody out of the ACC where it's going to be,
you know, an injustice if somebody, if ACC doesn't have
a team in the in the playoffs? Yes, Tom, what if.
Speaker 13 (17:40):
Notre Dame was called South Bend States? The only reason
I say is again we get caught up in brands
and names over the years, the Alabamas and Georgias and
Ohios State in Michigan.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
But they're not called South Bend State. And if they
were called South Bend State, then they would have had
the history of being great and we wouldn't, you know,
go oh, South Bend State. They don't sound like a
big name brand that'd already be a brand.
Speaker 13 (18:03):
But I think that history causes some people maybe to
think one way or another. If you're totally on the
fence one way or another where it's down to the wire,
Notre Dame in Miami or whatever that like, there's something
about the name of one school of another that could influence.
Speaker 8 (18:15):
You a little bit.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
That's why I said subconsciously that could happen. But I
don't think they're going out of their way to devise
a plan. You still have to answer to the critics
with this. We'll take a break.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I make the sexy name Ohio State you would choose
over South Bend State?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Be like, ah, yes see, how are.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
We gonna.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
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Speaker 2 (19:25):
I'm still amazed with this Chris Paul situation with the
Clippers that you unceremoniously dump him in Atlanta and he's
gonna retire at the end of the season, Like, can't
you bring him back so he can retire in front
of the home crowd or say goodbye? I don't think
they have a retired jersey, do they, Marvin? Can you
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check to the Clippers, have they because here's Chris Paul,
arguably the best player that the franchise has ever had, right,
and all of a sudden he gets kicked to the
curb at three in the morning East Coast time, and
in Atlanta just felt like and I don't know if
anything else happened in Atlanta, but still, here's the best
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player that you've ever had, and that's how much you
think of him. Has to be something else attached to this.
It just feels that way. Andrew Whitworth Amazon Prime Video,
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Feels like a playoff game, like an elimination game for
both of these. I mean, Cowboys have to win. What
about the Lions playoff portion of this?
Speaker 8 (20:46):
Yeah, I think he really does. This feels like playoff
football already. I mean, you think of how hot the
Cowboys are right now, win three in a row, opportunity
for them to really fight themselves back into this playoff picture.
And then for the Lions, it's man a season ago dominant,
they were, you know, felt like it was going to
be a repeat. This year, It's not been the consistency
they've been used to. They've they've been banged up here
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recently now without Sam Laporter and possibly I'm on Saint
Round for a little bit. Man, this is going to
be a challenge because obviously what I'm on meant to
them and everything he is to them. Who Dan Campbell's
got his hands full now is the play caller, because
this is the guy who did everything for this offense,
and you've got to do it against a team that's
hot and a team that's looking to get themselves back
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in contention, has a whole lot of belief that they
are a playoff football team.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And I don't know if it's this simple, Andrew that
I said at the beginning of the year, and even
when they made the trade with MIKEL Parsons, just have
an average defense because you have a better than average offense,
and if you do that, you can be a playoff team.
But is it that simple that they now have an
average better than average defense to go along with that offense.
That's why they're so dangerous?
Speaker 8 (21:53):
Yeah, I mean, you look at it. I mean, I
think it's one of those things. I'm sure Jerry's walking
around kind of beating his chest right now. We all
criticize the trade we all, like, you know, everyone had
their opinion of it, and now all of a sudden
you start to look at how they've been successful in
defense the last few weeks. You know, they've they've increased
the interior. You look at Quinnon Williams, you look at
Kenny Clark, you look at these guys, how that they've played.
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They're kind of starting to play with these three D
three D tackle looks and starting to kind of do
something different, which give credit to Eberflus of kind of
creating the package to use all those guys. And they've
been able to slow down run games, be more efficient
getting after the quarterback, and effective you know that in
that regard, And so man, it's starting to show like,
all right, if we could slow people downs at least
not let them run the football on us, give ourselves
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an opportunity to get the football back to our offense
and then play well on offense, we can win. And
that's really It wasn't like they were perfect into Chiefs.
They still get enough points and yards, but they found
a way to win in those moments and give Dak
one more chance. And they've got some absolute aliens on
the outside right now playing receiver. And this is kind
of like to me the best the Cowboys have looked
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in recent years, and it looks like they are built
to go make a run right here.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Would you rather block Micah? Well, rather block who would
you want to avoid? Micah Parsons or Quinn Williams.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
I would say I'd always rather have the big boys.
I mean the big boys. Is uh, there's at least
a lot of what's the best the most appropriate way
I can say this, there's a lot of body to
get your hands on. Let's put it that way, all right,
So I like more masks that I can get a
hold of, if that makes sense. So the little guys
Micah in that sense, his height, his speed, his agility,
Getting your hands on those guys was always the hardest
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part is just finding a way to get in front
of them. So at least with Quinn, and it might
be a physical battle and he might win a couple
of those, but you weren't gonna have any problem getting
your hands on him. So I always, like, I prefer
to get my hands, you know, in the mud a
little bit, just get after it. So any guy that
I could fight and wrestle with, I much preferred.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Would you rather have if you have to pick now,
would you rather have a smart quarterback or a tough quarterback? Oh?
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Man, that's a good one. I'm gonna probably say, since
that you could possibly enter the category of having a
really good coordinator, I'd rather have a tough quarterback because
I feel like maybe there's some of those things we
can handle from a coaching standpoint, But when they're tough
and they're gonna survive down to down, they're gonna play
the physicality, they're gonna extend plays. There's a self belief
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I think in that starts to be created around them
and in that huddle. You know, when I start to
think of the great ones I played with, whether it
be Carson Palmer or Matthew Stafford and some of those
guys in Jared Goff, I start to think of how
tough they were, right, and like people talk about affecting
the quarterback, I mean I never heard those guys ever complain,
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you know why, or even put emphasis on anything other
than being at their best and their best is acquired
and find a way to respond. Those were guys you'd
never hear Whiper ever. I mean, Matthew Stafford always call
him John Wayne. But he's like the baddest cowboy in
the huddle. Everybody in that huddle wants to be as
tough as that dude every single snap, and you're living
to try and live up to man. I want to
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be tough enough that Matthew Stafford thinks I'm tough because
that's the kind of dute he is.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Okay, but what do you think when you hear Jackson
Dart that, Hey, this is in soccer and I'm gonna
be running and I'm gonna continue to play this way?
Is he being small? I love it he be. You're
okay with your quarterback doing that.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
I'm okay with what I think is gonna naturally happen.
We look, we saw it with Josh Allen, We've seen
it with other guys that love to get into that
mix a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Jackson coming out of concussion protocol, I mean I get
extra hits. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
But here's the thing. We can't if we want to
get in the ring and swing with heavyweights, we can't
control whether we're gonna get punched in the head. I
mean that's just the reality. So we're playing NFL football.
You're gonna take some shots. You wanna extend plays, You're
gonna take some shots. Here's what he's gonna have to do.
He's got to find ways that hey, like on the
sideline there, all right, those are downs, get out of bounds,
those are downs. Like as he plays and realizes because
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I think sometimes we talk about this in coverage, right,
young guys coming in and figuring out. Man, those guys
DB's at the NFL level. They can break on a football.
Oh man, I can't throw it as a tighter windows
as I used to could. It's not any different out
in space. He's learning the speed and the violence of
the game and saying, all right, you know what. I
bet he flipped over sideways the other night and said,
you know what, next time, I ought to get out
the oude of the bounds a little faster. Or that's
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the reality. So I think I love I love the mentality.
You gotta have it. I mean, that's just you look
at the league right now. You gotta have it. How
many true sit in the pocket quarterbacks do we have?
That that exists? And it's just not true. You got
to extend plays. You gotta be tough. Back to Mawmes
is one of the toughest dudes on the planet, so's
Josh Allen. I mean, these dudes running extend plays and
they've got to live in that world. But he's got
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to learn how to be smarter about it, and he's
got to get creative. And when do I do it?
When do I not? When do I make sure I
take care of my football team? But I also think
that Dan we have to give him credit. Who's he
playing with right now? Like does he have a bunch
of weapons that he can get rid of the football
and extend game plays to and get down the football
field too? No, he doesn't, So some of that he
feels like, Man, if I don't do it, I don't
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know where to go with the football, you know, I
think it'd be I think I'd rather assess him a
year from now when you see them add some weapons.
Is he still doing some of that stuff or is
he realizing, Man, maybe it's better to give those guys
opportunities in these situations.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, I need twenty five percent less John Wayne with him?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
That?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (27:17):
I like that?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Like is that John Wayne light? Okay? Is that okay?
Speaker 8 (27:22):
Yeah? Yeah, that's okay. Hey, look at Stafford's great, He's
a magician at it nowadays. You know, hey, listen, Matthew's
that ball's coming out if somebody's unblocked. You know, he's
out running in space. He's dirting that thing. We know
that he's smart that way, right, He's lived through it.
I mean, that guy if anybody's played through it and
knows so, I just think it's something that we don't
give him credit enough. These quarterbacks they've got to go
through that process too and learn how do I stay
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on the football field. And I think that's the conversation.
We need you on the football field because I think
Jackson Dart is going to be a really good football player.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Andrew Whitworth, Amazon Prime Football Analyst Coming up tomorrow night,
Cowboys and the Lions pregame coverage start set seven Eastern.
Also a Louisiana State alum. Your reaction to getting Lane
Kiffin as your coach, Oh Man.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
You know, it's one of those you hate the college
football system, You're mad about all that type stuff. At
the same time, I mean, i'd be lying if I
wasn't saying, as an LSU Tiger, I'm excited that we
have a coach that I think is gonna help us
be successful. But you know, Dan, I think it's tough too,
because if it wasn't for the calendar, it wasn't for
the timing. You know, it's more leaving your team when
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it's happening and what that's gonna do to impact the
kids that old miss and what they had in front
of them. Because the idea that you hear of, like,
oh man, you promise these kids this, or you built
this and you're leaving it. Like that's happened since I
was in college. I mean, people forget Nick Saban. I
was going to Florida with Steve Spurriy or Nick Saban
gets hired as the LSU coach. He comes in and
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sells me that LSU is a not a four year decision.
It's a forty year decision. You decide to stay in state,
go to LSU. We're gonna do great things. It's gonaffec. Well, hey,
three years later we've won a national championship. That's awesome.
Four years later he's gone. He took a big check
and he's going to the Miami Dolphins. So did he
lie to all the kids that came there and hey,
we're going to be built?
Speaker 10 (29:12):
No?
Speaker 8 (29:12):
I mean That's the reality is coaches have always done
this and it's always been a part of it. It's
just now, because of the calendar, we've ended this portal
system in NIL and now players are doing it and
we've entered this world now where that whole system needs
to be reset when it happens and why it happens
and all of that, and that's more the issue to me,
and unfortunately, I think it's put Lane in a really
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tough position. I can say this, I can both be
excited that LSU got Lane Kiffing to be their head
coach and say that if I was in that position,
I don't think I could have done it. I don't
think I could have left the kids in that moment
to not finish that season. I think I would have
just waited and seen what other opportunities are out there.
For me. That's me personally, but that's my personal decision,
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and Lane Kiffin needed to make his own.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I have told this story before, for there was a
kid who was and his dad. They were meeting with
a college coach at a big university and it was
a Sunday and they were meeting with him and they
wanted to know, Hey, the rumor is true that you
might be, you know, looking at a job in the NFL.
And he goes, no, I'm going to be here. So
the kid signs. Next day, coach goes to the NFL. Like,
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come on, I'll give you an example Dan last year,
Bryce Underwood. I was at LSU when he was there,
he was down there for the game, literally conversations with him,
his family, everything, like hey, only places kids ever wanted
to play LSU. This is where he's going to go
to school, this is where like, this is everything to us.
The next week is when the whole entire Michigan News
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came out to check everything.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
And I'm going I just looked this kid in the
eyes the other like six days ago, and he told
me that I would never want to play anywhere else
other than be an LSU Tiger like some And that's
not a bash on him, it's just that is the reality.
Soon if somebody else comes in big money, it's hard
to tell these people to turn that kind of stuff down.
It's life changing money and people need to make their
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own decisions. And that's my point. Lane Kiffin made the
best decision for him and his family. Who am I
to judge that, but I would say that if I
was in that position, I do think it'd be hard
for me to leave my football team. I don't think
I want to do it.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And I this since retired coach that when NIL came out,
he says, oh, who's going to sign lineman with it?
They're just going to give them like pizza, and I go,
linemen are going to make big money because that's where
you win in college football, your offense and defensive line.
I mean, look at Georgia. You win in the trenches, yep.
And I mean certainly in the NFL. But I thought,
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how naive to think you're not going to spend money
on your edge rusher or your offensive lineman just like
you do in the NFL. But I mean, what's the
biggest payout that you've heard for an offensive lineman in
college football?
Speaker 8 (31:57):
I don't know. I don't follow a lot of the
NL stuff, but I think it is going to continue
to be something huge. We've seen it in the NFL, right,
We've seen these teams that think, hey, you can try
to go the skill route and not invest in that
position as much, and you just don't see winning happening.
The teams that have good offensive lines and defensive lines
that want to win up front are the teams we're
talking about at the end of the year. Every single year.
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You look at some of the best teams in NFL.
This season, again, it's all teams or that's where they
learn to win in the trenches. And then the other pieces,
obviously are massive. Having a quarterback, having skilled players in
both sides of the football, all those things are massive.
But if you don't have the foundation of what creates
football success, you're living in a pretty temporary building in
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the sense that at any point it can be cut
out from underneath you. And look this Detroit team that's
playing tomorrow night. It's a great example of that. You
look at how good they were upfront, how dominant they
were last season. You lose Zeitler, you replace her, interior,
Frank ragnow retires. You got all new guys up there.
The young guy Ratleigs is playing good, but he's not
a veteran yet, right, and then the other guys have
been baying and not has played as well. The interior
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pressure on Jared Goff has been totally different this year.
He's been getting hit more like it changes your football team.
But they still have all those other guys Jamior Gibbs
and Jamison Williams and all the talents all out there.
But when you start to change that group up front,
it changes your football team.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
If the Cowboys get into the playoffs, what is the ceiling.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
As good as their defense can play that, I think
we're still.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Can they win a super Bowl? Or can they win
a Super Bowl?
Speaker 8 (33:36):
Here's what I would say about this season, Dan Patrick,
I think we have seen throughout the year. I don't
know if there's a team that's unbeatable. I think Carolina
beating it at LA last week shows us that. I
think the parody is it truly is? We use that
word all the time, we say it, but look weak
to week. I mean, there's not a team that you
go man. You know, if I go to Denver Broncos,
great defense, bonnecks and the offense have left me like
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wanting a lot more for a lot of weeks. You know,
I go to the Patriots, Man, maybe they're for real.
I mean, Drake may you look at them? But then
I go back and I go, wait, didn't they get
beat by the Raiders and the Steelers this year? Like
it's teams where you go, man, this team's unbeatable, but
well they lost to who, and so it's tons of
that this year. I don't think there's a team that
you sit there and go, man, this team without questions
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making a run. I think we're gonna see who's hot
and who's healthy, and that that team has got a
chance to go win a super Bowl this year. Because
if you look at Dallas, what a team's love to
do right now? I mean, you play man to man
this game matchup against Detroit, and you're gonna try to
who's got George Pickens and Cede Lamb, which one do
you want to cover? And teams are having to do that.
That's one of the things that they're doing really well.
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They're splitting them up and they're saying, which guy do
you want to lean to? We got the quarterback. People
forget how good Dak Prescott is, and we'll go to
whichever guy you don't lean to and we can win.
And so I think, to me, how good can the
defense be? How healthy can they be? That gives their
ceiling because they've got an opportunity to go score with
anybody in the NFL. And right now, if you look
at offensive football, there's a lot of teams, even the
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good ones, that have seemed to really struggle with being
consistent on offense.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I think Brian Kelly's accent is better than yours.
Speaker 8 (35:11):
Uh, there's there's no question. Uh. That was probably the
first moment that everybody should have been like whoa.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (35:18):
So, you know, I.
Speaker 8 (35:22):
Get it if I go down there. Ryan Fitzpatrick always
gives me a crap as soon as I go down
there to a game where I go visit. We have
a Saints game. We come back and he's like, wait,
what happened to you? And I'm like, dude, it just
it comes out. I get back around it. I have
a you know, I have a couple of fried shrimp
and get some rum a lot and then some metu
fe and it just starts. Man, it just starts. It
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starts folding out there.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Great to talk to you again, Thank you, buddy, Appreciate it.
Brother Andrew Whitworth, He'll be on the call the pregame
festivities for Amazon Prime. Yeah. I was waiting for the accent.
But there's certain places where you go back to and
all of a sudden it gets it's a little thicker.
Like somebody will go back to Brooklyn or go to
Long Island, Texas, certain parts of the South.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, Seon, Yeah, I spend a little time in New
Jersey that like coffee, start to taste a little more
like coffee.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
You know, it comes back, it does. It'll be the
Cowboys and the Lions and festivity start at seven Eastern
tomorrow night, Amazon Prime. Take a break. Last call for
phone calls? What we learn? What's in store tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to
listen live. Last call for phone calls, What we learn?
What's in store tomorrow? Hopefully the voice can hold up
for the next couple of days. Here final results of
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the poll question Seaton.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, we got a few of them up there.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Let's see if you were part of the College Football
Committee playoff committee, which rationale would be most important? Team's
resume has eighty percent of that vote. The team good
for ratings is just over three percent.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
That's not doing very well. And are you.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Comfortable with the current college football ranking system? Seventy three percent?
Hard no, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
And Todd thinks that because Notre Dame is called Notre Dame,
they might get special treatment. If they were known as
South Bend University or South Bend State, they probably wouldn't.
Speaker 8 (37:29):
Not just Notre Dame.
Speaker 13 (37:29):
Just like I do believe that's in the back of
mind certain brands of schools over the years that have
had some kind of a success over many years.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah, you have to have this success and the tradition. Yeah,
but then we have the name with success. You can't go. Man,
they got a great name, they're just not any good.
Speaker 13 (37:48):
Yeah, I'd meanted more of a brand in traditions. Maybe
I spoke a little bit the name Notre Dame, but
they shouldn't have fact it in.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
But I think they do a little bit.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
How about this day in sports history, Paul, I got
a bunch for you, Dan teen to fifty. Tom Fears
of the La Rams caught eighteen passes against the Packers.
That record stood until December of two thousand, when Terrell
Owens broke it with twenty catches, of course, against the Bears.
George blandon nineteen sixty one kicked a fifty five yardfield
goal record at the time. The Rules Committee in nineteen
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sixty eight of Major League Baseball lowered the pitching mound,
and I didn't know this one. They changed the strike
zone from knees to shoulders, to top of the knees
to the armpits, arm pits, armpits. In a press release, Yep, yeah.
The pitcher's mound went from fifteen inches to ten inches.
Fifteen to ten Yeah, and that's when you know Bob
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Gibson had that unbelievable seat. Nineteen sixty eight, pitching stats
were crazy. Danny McClain wins thirty Gibson, Bob Gibson's one
of the more underrated pitchers of all time.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
God lean and he was on the mound. It was
a big game and he was winning those big games.
Barry Sanders in nineteen eighty eight, I'm interviewing Barry sam
he won the Heisman Trophy and wil Chamberlain made his
debut at Kansas. I didn't get to talk about the
Kansas Jerseys, Paulie, that you were apoplectic about. So I'm
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watching the game last night.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
It's a really good game, and the Kansas Jerseys looked
like I don't want to describe because I want to
slight them. Good program, great fan base. They don't look
like Kansas jerseys. The classic script of Danny Manning and
Milton Newton and those guys, which was great and very unique.
Now it kind of looks like like a font of
a toy store or something like that. It's just very
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off putting. Marvin's you're looking at this.
Speaker 10 (39:35):
Right, I am.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
The Connecticut jerseys look great. It looks like yeah, and
they won too.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
The logo, the Kansas font for their word Kansas looks
like Golden Corral or some type of Oh yeah, No,
one's making that comp today.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
Day's sonic.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah. By the way, the Clippers are the only NBA
team without a retired jersey, and that says a lot
of says a lot about the franchise. But now they
don't have a retired jersey and Chris paul gets kicked
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to the curb on the road by the Clippers. Didn't
they trade Blake Griffin right after he signed a big deal,
send him to Detroit?
Speaker 8 (40:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Man, yeah, Paulie.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
By the way, you're Barry Sanders. Note hit the year
he won the Heisman, he ran for two and twenty
eight yards. In eleven games. He averaged two hundred and
forty yards a game average.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I do believe he could have had he could have
rushed for three thousand yards that year. I really do.
He made it look so easy. Let's go around the
room see if we learn anything on the program, Todd,
did you learn anything today?
Speaker 10 (40:47):
I did?
Speaker 13 (40:48):
Actually, Andrew Whitworth prefers to go up against someone with
more mass to grab onto, so he rather black Quinn
Williams than Micah Parsons Seeton.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
How about you back from vacation. What'd you learn today?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
It feels like an admission of holding right there. I
like the big guys because I can hold them better.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
That's what I love. You think Chris Fowler is tough
among other things, Paul, would you learn I made to.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Talk to a professional about my uniform issues.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Have a great day, everybody. We look forward to chatting
with you tomorrow.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Final Hour on this Wednesday. We are fully assembled, Fritzy's
here seating back from vacation, and we have Marvin and
Paulie yours truly in the brgs. Thank you for taking
advantage of the autograph calendars. They're all gone, but the
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(00:26):
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of the program. Good morning if you're watching on Peacock,
Thank you for downloading the app, and we say good
morning to our radio affiliates as well. Seaton Poll Question
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Final Hour, Paul just sent this one over.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
If you were the top high school quarterback in the
country and the nil money was all the same, where
would you sign today.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Penn State, Yes, PAULI I think I'd lean towards even
though I'm not a fan of the program. Ohio State
because of the situation with their receivers the past decade
decade plus.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, but that quarterback is going to be around for
a couple more years. I would probably say LSU. If
you're going there, they're spending money, and I got Lane
Kiff in there, you know they're going to get some
playmakers as well. Here's something for you. Here's the schools
that are having a better recruiting class than Penn State.
(01:38):
These are the ones having a better recruiting class than
Penn State as of right now, as of this morning.
This according to twenty four to seven Sports, Harvard, cal Pauly,
UC Davis, Northern Arizona, Kennesaw State, Delaware, North Texas, Hawaii, Idaho, Georgia,
Southern Georgia State, Old Dominion, UMass, Arkansas State, Buffalo, Charlotte,
(02:00):
fi U, Eastern Michigan, Central Michigan, South Alabama, Sacramento State.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Stand of the Day, Stand of the Day, Stantata Day,
Stannata Day.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
This is the stand of the Day satur Today, broughtrey
by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan
Patrick show, the offensive coordinator for the Ohio State Buckeyes
going to South Florida Brian Heartline, former receiver, is going
to go and take over the program at South Florida.
Penn State as of now has four commits and this
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is National Signing Day, still waiting to get their head coach.
All righty David Arkansas. They call him Pittsburgh Dave. I
believe Hi Dave, Yes they do.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
And if I'm a paraphrase Jimmy Chitwood a little bit,
I don't know if it's going to make any change,
but I think it's about time for me to start
talking about Mike Tomlin and and well, we've got to.
I think what we've got to really look at is
I think there's a disconnect somewhere. Something has gone wrong.
There's a short, there's a short in the system. And
(03:11):
I do think it's time for him to go. I
think he's lost the.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Room, I think.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
But I think it's still very possible he could, you know,
go three and two these last five games, they end
up with a winning record, and possible even with that
win the division, they can even win the playoff game. Hey,
they could still run it out. They're not going to,
but I think regardless one way or the other, even
if they were, then you win on top and let's go.
(03:37):
But I think I think the disconnect is there, and
I think it's time for him to move on. Whether
or not that place is Penn State, I could see that,
but I think he wants to be a pro coach.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, I wouldn't see Penn State. I could see him
doing TV or maybe he would take over another like
the Bengals if they're open. He's I mean, there's going
to be opportunities here if he wants to coach elsewhere.
But you're right, if he doesn't have the Super Bowl,
then I wonder if he's still the head coach there
because that helps the resume. But you haven't won a
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playoff game since twenty sixteen, and this is a team
franchise city that expects championships, not just a playoff win,
and he hasn't been able to come up with that.
That has to be factored in, and you know, the
players change, but the coach is still there. And Ben
Roethlisberger of all people said, you know, maybe it's time
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to clean house, and that should resonate with people in
the front office, with Ben saying that I don't know
his relationship with Mike Tomlin, but to say That is
a pretty strong statement. Yeah, PAULI.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
They kind of remind me the Steelers of Michigan five
six years ago when they couldn't find a quarterback and
are using the portal and they were just a quarterback
away from winning the national title and they did. It
feels like the Steelers are a team that just can't
find a quarterback the past five years and makes you
realize how competitive Roethlisberger kept you year to year. Picket
Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, a guy who's too young, two
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guys who are too old. How about a guy who's
twenty eight years old in his prime, and I think
they'd be right back in the thick of.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Things they could have their quarterback. But I mean it's
just not a threatening team. I mean it used to
be pretty simple. They played good defense, they ran the ball,
and they could come up with a couple of big plays.
I mean, go back to Terry Bradshaw. They weren't a
throwing team. They were running team, and they had a
great defense. I mean Ben was different, be Ben's a
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unique quarterback there, but it's still they were running the football,
playing great defense, and then Ben would come up with
a couple of big plays, but you got to win
playoff games, not just get to the playoffs, and especially
with a window that that's wide open that twenty sixteen.
I mean that goes back to the coach. Remember they
were going to change the but the gm oh we
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got to change. We got to change the offensive coordinator.
And okay, Matt Canada, Okay, you changed it. Arthur Smith, Okay,
nothing's really changed here. And I think that's where you
have to start looking at this. He'll make a hard decision,
and that is if you move on, who are you
getting that's going to be better than Mike Tomlin as
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Penn State found out, you can move on who's going
to be better or as good?
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Yes, Marvin, and I feel like the Pittsburgh fan base
is probably telling them the national media, we've been saying
this for about four or five years, but they haven't
been the Steelers haven't been bad enough for us to
pay attention to Mike toomlass job security.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, and you're right, And there is that local narrative
and it's different from the national one because it's like
everybody's like, man, I want to play for him. Man,
he's a great case. He's a leader, man, he's others.
He might be all of those things, but he's not
a coach who's going to win in the playoffs and
he hasn't and he probably won't this year either. Yeah, pung.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
And if you go back the past five years in
the draft for the Steelers twenty eighteen, James Washington wide
receiver didn't work out, Deontay Johnson the next year didn't
work out, Chase Claypool complete bust, second round. Uh, George
Pickens no longer on the team, now a star for
another team. They didn't get max value for him.
Speaker 8 (07:13):
That's all.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Those are a bunch of whiffs at the receiver position
in a row.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
But we've also been told Mike Tomlin is involved in
the draft. So it's not one of those where he
doesn't have any say. It's not like he's, you know,
Dallas cowboy head coach. You know where, Hey, who are
we taking? We'll let you know. Mike Tomlin, you know,
has been has been widely reported involved in those drafts. Uh.
Andrew in Vegas, Good morning, Andrew, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8 (07:38):
Good morning DPTE.
Speaker 9 (07:39):
First off, thank you for toughing it out today. I'm
well aware it's still a laying kiff in season. But
I'd like to put Michigan as a contender for the
best basketball state with Michigan dominating, Michigan State undefeated and
the Pistons as well.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Okay, we didn't ask that question yet. We did the
best football state, we were factoring in college and pro.
The best basketball state. I'll have to give that some thought,
but maybe in February we do that. But Michigan, Michigan State,
and of course my Pistons playing well. But thank you, Andrew,
thank you. Uh, let's see Steven Pittsburgh. Hi, Steve, what's
(08:22):
on your mind?
Speaker 8 (08:25):
First time?
Speaker 10 (08:26):
Five nine one ninety. Yes. So the way we look
at it in Pittsburgh is that he essentially that' starmland
inherited a Hall of fame quarterback, inherited a locker room
that was built in one super bowls and that's all he.
Speaker 11 (08:44):
Won in the beginning. In he had the triple bs,
they could do nothing with them. And you can just
see when he drafted Kenny Pickett has no idea what
he's doing on the offensive side.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
All right, Yeah, once again, as Marvin point it out,
the local conversation about toilant has been this way for
the last couple of years. Nationally. I don't think you
find too many analysts or shows that are going to
come after Mike Tomlin. Sunday Night, the pressure is on CJ.
Stroud in the Texans. They face Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs.
(09:18):
Which team will rise to the occasion? Sunday seven Eastern
NBC and Peacock, Nick and Irvine. Hi, Nick, welcome back, Dan.
Speaker 12 (09:29):
Always in honor to talk to a Hall of Famer.
I remember regularly calling and talking to Chick Hern after
Laker games all the way through the nineties, and I
definitely put you in that category.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Bro.
Speaker 12 (09:41):
I buried Chick and I'll bury you, but I'll definitely
be raising a pint to you if fat ever does happen.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Listen, Bro, easy there, Nick, I turned dark quickly, not.
Speaker 12 (09:54):
Dark, that's Irish happy right there.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Hey, you know.
Speaker 12 (09:59):
What I'm saying. Listen.
Speaker 8 (10:01):
You know we're living through this revolution.
Speaker 12 (10:03):
I mean it's amazing, you know, Like we learned about
the American Revolution, the Communist Revolution, the sexual revolution, whatever,
but the actual concept to see it happening. Dan. We
remember when there were three teams at the end of
a college football season, undefeated, and we want to see him.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Play many times two teams.
Speaker 12 (10:21):
And you tell a teenager or a high school football
player about this and they're like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 10 (10:25):
Now, we got all these teams playing each other.
Speaker 12 (10:27):
We got the NCAA, who's been kicked to the curve
to say the least. We got a professional we got
thirty million dollar payrolls and it's going to triple in
the next two years. We got I mean, and what
a revolution is and what it results in are questions
that you could not have even fathomed, you know, five
(10:48):
years ago, and now we need immediate action. And so
you have people doing the wrong thing. You have people
acting unilaterally on a college by college basis. It's just
it's it's a revolution, and it's super exciting and it's
better than it was. But we need something to happen,
and it needs to be on a more unified basis.
Speaker 11 (11:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, I don't know if it's going to happen anytime soon, Nick,
And thank you, thank you. I'll toast a pint to
you when you go as well. But yeah, you start
to look at the chaos here, and if I'm college football,
You're like, Okay, all right, it's not perfect, but we
love You know, when you had the playoffs where it
was one versus two and then we went to four.
(11:31):
I mean they were there was always conversation, and I
think they like that you were talking about their product.
Now all of a sudden, you're invested in BYU. Oh
my god, their coach turned down Penn State. BYU's got
Texas Tech. Texas Tech may have a Heisman candidate linebacker.
You know, it's interesting, but that's what you want in
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today's sports society. Is anybody talking about our sport? Yeah, Marvin, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
And I think if you're in any Power for or
Power five conference, you're gonna say to a recruit, a
we have a chance to win the national title and
get into the playoffs, where twenty years ago there was
no shot of BYU touching the BCS Bowl games.
Speaker 11 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I mean the fact that Texas Tech went out and
spent money and they have a really good team and
they're gonna be in the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Indiana. In my wildest imagination, I never thought we'd be
talking about Indiana as a team that could win the
national title, win football. They just didn't or a player
who's gonna win the Heisman or be up there for
the heisman. Just didn't think it could happen. But these
things are happening in real time in a span of
a year or two years. It's not like we built
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this program. This is a quick fix, yes see.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
But part of that is what drives me nuts though,
is that, like I think a story like Indiana is awesome,
but it's also sort of begrudgingly happened because maybe they
select your committee, like.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
We can't keep them out.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
You have to put them in because they won the
you know, they won their way in. But not everybody
is going to have that opportunity to do that. There's
still that element of it's sort of that gymnastics thing
that I was talking about before. You're still getting judged.
It's not just wins and losses. You don't just win
your way in. You have to do the wwe part
of it too of like yeah, well we got to
do it the right way, right.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I hate that an inexact science. There's no science at all.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
It's it's judge, it's judgment and artistry rather than just data.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Well, you have wins and losses for the data. But
then there's also the eye test as well for members
of the committee.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yes, and it's funny that college football is a debated
sport and it's all about opinion and what you're doing now,
And the most debated sport in our country is the NFL,
and the NFL is just math. Like the Patriots are
eleven and two. Your opinion of the Patriots doesn't matter.
They can get home field advantage and you can't decide
to get them out of it, no matter if you
think that the Bills are better. There's no debate really
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in pro football. Is like when they do power rankings,
those are kind of meaning with us.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yes, I mean they do fill up time. Yes, But
like the Bears have the best record in the NFC. Okay,
I'm not saying they're the best team, but they played
well enough. You know when they say, well, I haven't
played anybody. The good teams beat the teams they're supposed
to beat, and the Bears have been able to do that.
(14:23):
It's not like the Bears go, hey, commissioner, can we
talk to you. We want to make up our schedule here.
So it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yes, yeah, it's they're sort of meaningless. I guess, and
that power rankings don't equate playoff seeds, so they don't
usually line up. So that is sort of the debatable
fun part. Like the Rams right now are like the
best team in the league even though they're actually not,
but they're playing like they are.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
So for that example, but.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
In college football, they'll actually take that and use it
as that and that's why this team is in and
that's garbage.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, the open to interpretation college f fall is all
power rankings. Yeah, but you know, when Chris Fowler said,
you know, it's not about the brand, like I disagree
with him. I think there's certain programs, certainly Notre Dame,
that the brand is omnipresent and whether you like them
or not, you will watch them. It's like Duke, whether
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you like them or not, you will watch them the Cowboys,
whether you like them or not, you're going to watch them.
And I think that factors in, and maybe it's subconsciously,
but it just feels like Notre Dame is a really
good team and they did have the home loss that
cost them with Texas A and m and they open
up the season, you know, they played Miami on the
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road and played him, you know, they went toe to
toe with them. But yeah, we're always going to have
these debates, and if we go to sixteen teams, we'll
continue to have these debates.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Yeah, Paul, I really don't want the sports to look
like each other. Like the NFL is like an antiseptic
Applebee's with the same menu, and you know what you're
gonna get when you walk in college football is the
dive bar with the pool table and stuff all over
the place and wires hanging down and shady stuff happening
in the bathroom that's not up to code. And seriously,
that's what college football feels like, the CD version of
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the NFL, and it's great.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Guess, tod do we believe in?
Speaker 13 (16:18):
Chris Paul refers to truth serum and we've used that
before in these selection committee rooms. Is it possible that
they're looking at paperwork that's trying to figure out, let's
exhaust every possible way to try to figure out how
to get Notre Dame, for example, in and make more
of an effort for one school over another. Does that
do you think that exists on any level?
Speaker 5 (16:37):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
No, I don't think it's Oh my gosh, hey Tommy,
did you come up with a reason to get Notre
Dame Manah, Sarah, what about you, Hey, Skippy, I don't
think it's that. I think it's more of just you
look at them and you go, okay, can we make
an argument for them? Either can or you can't, because
you know, you still have to have the numbers are there,
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Like BYU as a better resume than Notre Dame. And
if BYU beats Texas Tech, they certainly you know, will
be involved in the playoffs. If they don't win, then
they're not going to be in so as much as
and Notre Dame is really the outlier, Like how many
other schools I'd love to have USC in but their
resume doesn't match up Alabama, Georgia, They're going to be
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in Ohio, State's going to be in. So I think
that there's always those schools. I mean, nobody's clamoring, you know,
for somebody out of the ACC where it's going to be,
you know, an injustice if somebody, if ACC doesn't have
a team in the in the playoffs? Yes, Tom, what if.
Speaker 13 (17:40):
Notre Dame was called South Bend States? The only reason
I say is again we get caught up in brands
and names over the years, the Alabamas and Georgias and
Ohios State in Michigan.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
But they're not called South Bend State. And if they
were called South Bend State, then they would have had
the history of being great and we wouldn't, you know,
go oh, South Bend State. They don't sound like a
big name brand that'd already be a brand.
Speaker 13 (18:03):
But I think that history causes some people maybe to
think one way or another. If you're totally on the
fence one way or another where it's down to the wire,
Notre Dame in Miami or whatever that like, there's something
about the name of one school of another that could influence.
Speaker 8 (18:15):
You a little bit.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
That's why I said subconsciously that could happen. But I
don't think they're going out of their way to devise
a plan. You still have to answer to the critics
with this. We'll take a break.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I make the sexy name Ohio State you would choose
over South Bend State?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Be like, ah, yes see, how are.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
We gonna.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
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Speaker 2 (19:25):
I'm still amazed with this Chris Paul situation with the
Clippers that you unceremoniously dump him in Atlanta and he's
gonna retire at the end of the season, Like, can't
you bring him back so he can retire in front
of the home crowd or say goodbye? I don't think
they have a retired jersey, do they, Marvin? Can you
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check to the Clippers, have they because here's Chris Paul,
arguably the best player that the franchise has ever had, right,
and all of a sudden he gets kicked to the
curb at three in the morning East Coast time, and
in Atlanta just felt like and I don't know if
anything else happened in Atlanta, but still, here's the best
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player that you've ever had, and that's how much you
think of him. Has to be something else attached to this.
It just feels that way. Andrew Whitworth Amazon Prime Video,
NFL analyst and won a Super Bowl Champion chip with
the Rams. Big game coming up tomorrow night, Cowboys Lions,
and you can catch the pregame coverage starting at seven
(20:29):
eastern four Pacific, kickoff at eight fifteen eastern on the program.
Feels like a playoff game, like an elimination game for
both of these. I mean, Cowboys have to win. What
about the Lions playoff portion of this?
Speaker 8 (20:46):
Yeah, I think he really does. This feels like playoff
football already. I mean, you think of how hot the
Cowboys are right now, win three in a row, opportunity
for them to really fight themselves back into this playoff picture.
And then for the Lions, it's man a season ago dominant,
they were, you know, felt like it was going to
be a repeat. This year, It's not been the consistency
they've been used to. They've they've been banged up here
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recently now without Sam Laporter and possibly I'm on Saint
Round for a little bit. Man, this is going to
be a challenge because obviously what I'm on meant to
them and everything he is to them. Who Dan Campbell's
got his hands full now is the play caller, because
this is the guy who did everything for this offense,
and you've got to do it against a team that's
hot and a team that's looking to get themselves back
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in contention, has a whole lot of belief that they
are a playoff football team.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And I don't know if it's this simple, Andrew that
I said at the beginning of the year, and even
when they made the trade with MIKEL Parsons, just have
an average defense because you have a better than average offense,
and if you do that, you can be a playoff team.
But is it that simple that they now have an
average better than average defense to go along with that offense.
That's why they're so dangerous?
Speaker 8 (21:53):
Yeah, I mean, you look at it. I mean, I
think it's one of those things. I'm sure Jerry's walking
around kind of beating his chest right now. We all
criticize the trade we all, like, you know, everyone had
their opinion of it, and now all of a sudden
you start to look at how they've been successful in
defense the last few weeks. You know, they've they've increased
the interior. You look at Quinnon Williams, you look at
Kenny Clark, you look at these guys, how that they've played.
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They're kind of starting to play with these three D
three D tackle looks and starting to kind of do
something different, which give credit to Eberflus of kind of
creating the package to use all those guys. And they've
been able to slow down run games, be more efficient
getting after the quarterback, and effective you know that in
that regard, And so man, it's starting to show like,
all right, if we could slow people downs at least
not let them run the football on us, give ourselves
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an opportunity to get the football back to our offense
and then play well on offense, we can win. And
that's really It wasn't like they were perfect into Chiefs.
They still get enough points and yards, but they found
a way to win in those moments and give Dak
one more chance. And they've got some absolute aliens on
the outside right now playing receiver. And this is kind
of like to me the best the Cowboys have looked
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in recent years, and it looks like they are built
to go make a run right here.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Would you rather block Micah? Well, rather block who would
you want to avoid? Micah Parsons or Quinn Williams.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
I would say I'd always rather have the big boys.
I mean the big boys. Is uh, there's at least
a lot of what's the best the most appropriate way
I can say this, there's a lot of body to
get your hands on. Let's put it that way, all right,
So I like more masks that I can get a
hold of, if that makes sense. So the little guys
Micah in that sense, his height, his speed, his agility,
Getting your hands on those guys was always the hardest
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part is just finding a way to get in front
of them. So at least with Quinn, and it might
be a physical battle and he might win a couple
of those, but you weren't gonna have any problem getting
your hands on him. So I always, like, I prefer
to get my hands, you know, in the mud a
little bit, just get after it. So any guy that
I could fight and wrestle with, I much preferred.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Would you rather have if you have to pick now,
would you rather have a smart quarterback or a tough quarterback? Oh?
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Man, that's a good one. I'm gonna probably say, since
that you could possibly enter the category of having a
really good coordinator, I'd rather have a tough quarterback because
I feel like maybe there's some of those things we
can handle from a coaching standpoint, But when they're tough
and they're gonna survive down to down, they're gonna play
the physicality, they're gonna extend plays. There's a self belief
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I think in that starts to be created around them
and in that huddle. You know, when I start to
think of the great ones I played with, whether it
be Carson Palmer or Matthew Stafford and some of those
guys in Jared Goff, I start to think of how
tough they were, right, and like people talk about affecting
the quarterback, I mean I never heard those guys ever complain,
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you know why, or even put emphasis on anything other
than being at their best and their best is acquired
and find a way to respond. Those were guys you'd
never hear Whiper ever. I mean, Matthew Stafford always call
him John Wayne. But he's like the baddest cowboy in
the huddle. Everybody in that huddle wants to be as
tough as that dude every single snap, and you're living
to try and live up to man. I want to
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be tough enough that Matthew Stafford thinks I'm tough because
that's the kind of dute he is.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Okay, but what do you think when you hear Jackson
Dart that, Hey, this is in soccer and I'm gonna
be running and I'm gonna continue to play this way?
Is he being small? I love it he be. You're
okay with your quarterback doing that.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
I'm okay with what I think is gonna naturally happen.
We look, we saw it with Josh Allen, We've seen
it with other guys that love to get into that
mix a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Jackson coming out of concussion protocol, I mean I get
extra hits. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
But here's the thing. We can't if we want to
get in the ring and swing with heavyweights, we can't
control whether we're gonna get punched in the head. I
mean that's just the reality. So we're playing NFL football.
You're gonna take some shots. You wanna extend plays, You're
gonna take some shots. Here's what he's gonna have to do.
He's got to find ways that hey, like on the
sideline there, all right, those are downs, get out of bounds,
those are downs. Like as he plays and realizes because
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I think sometimes we talk about this in coverage, right,
young guys coming in and figuring out. Man, those guys
DB's at the NFL level. They can break on a football.
Oh man, I can't throw it as a tighter windows
as I used to could. It's not any different out
in space. He's learning the speed and the violence of
the game and saying, all right, you know what. I
bet he flipped over sideways the other night and said,
you know what, next time, I ought to get out
the oude of the bounds a little faster. Or that's
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the reality. So I think I love I love the mentality.
You gotta have it. I mean, that's just you look
at the league right now. You gotta have it. How
many true sit in the pocket quarterbacks do we have?
That that exists? And it's just not true. You got
to extend plays. You gotta be tough. Back to Mawmes
is one of the toughest dudes on the planet, so's
Josh Allen. I mean, these dudes running extend plays and
they've got to live in that world. But he's got
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to learn how to be smarter about it, and he's
got to get creative. And when do I do it?
When do I not? When do I make sure I
take care of my football team? But I also think
that Dan we have to give him credit. Who's he
playing with right now? Like does he have a bunch
of weapons that he can get rid of the football
and extend game plays to and get down the football
field too? No, he doesn't, So some of that he
feels like, Man, if I don't do it, I don't
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know where to go with the football, you know, I
think it'd be I think I'd rather assess him a
year from now when you see them add some weapons.
Is he still doing some of that stuff or is
he realizing, Man, maybe it's better to give those guys
opportunities in these situations.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, I need twenty five percent less John Wayne with him?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
That?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (27:17):
I like that?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Like is that John Wayne light? Okay? Is that okay?
Speaker 8 (27:22):
Yeah? Yeah, that's okay. Hey, look at Stafford's great, He's
a magician at it nowadays. You know, hey, listen, Matthew's
that ball's coming out if somebody's unblocked. You know, he's
out running in space. He's dirting that thing. We know
that he's smart that way, right, He's lived through it.
I mean, that guy if anybody's played through it and
knows so, I just think it's something that we don't
give him credit enough. These quarterbacks they've got to go
through that process too and learn how do I stay
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on the football field. And I think that's the conversation.
We need you on the football field because I think
Jackson Dart is going to be a really good football player.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Andrew Whitworth, Amazon Prime Football Analyst Coming up tomorrow night,
Cowboys and the Lions pregame coverage start set seven Eastern.
Also a Louisiana State alum. Your reaction to getting Lane
Kiffin as your coach, Oh Man.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
You know, it's one of those you hate the college
football system, You're mad about all that type stuff. At
the same time, I mean, i'd be lying if I
wasn't saying, as an LSU Tiger, I'm excited that we
have a coach that I think is gonna help us
be successful. But you know, Dan, I think it's tough too,
because if it wasn't for the calendar, it wasn't for
the timing. You know, it's more leaving your team when
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it's happening and what that's gonna do to impact the
kids that old miss and what they had in front
of them. Because the idea that you hear of, like,
oh man, you promise these kids this, or you built
this and you're leaving it. Like that's happened since I
was in college. I mean, people forget Nick Saban. I
was going to Florida with Steve Spurriy or Nick Saban
gets hired as the LSU coach. He comes in and
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sells me that LSU is a not a four year decision.
It's a forty year decision. You decide to stay in state,
go to LSU. We're gonna do great things. It's gonaffec. Well, hey,
three years later we've won a national championship. That's awesome.
Four years later he's gone. He took a big check
and he's going to the Miami Dolphins. So did he
lie to all the kids that came there and hey,
we're going to be built?
Speaker 10 (29:12):
No?
Speaker 8 (29:12):
I mean That's the reality is coaches have always done
this and it's always been a part of it. It's
just now, because of the calendar, we've ended this portal
system in NIL and now players are doing it and
we've entered this world now where that whole system needs
to be reset when it happens and why it happens
and all of that, and that's more the issue to me,
and unfortunately, I think it's put Lane in a really
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tough position. I can say this, I can both be
excited that LSU got Lane Kiffing to be their head
coach and say that if I was in that position,
I don't think I could have done it. I don't
think I could have left the kids in that moment
to not finish that season. I think I would have
just waited and seen what other opportunities are out there.
For me. That's me personally, but that's my personal decision,
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and Lane Kiffin needed to make his own.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I have told this story before, for there was a
kid who was and his dad. They were meeting with
a college coach at a big university and it was
a Sunday and they were meeting with him and they
wanted to know, Hey, the rumor is true that you
might be, you know, looking at a job in the NFL.
And he goes, no, I'm going to be here. So
the kid signs. Next day, coach goes to the NFL. Like,
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come on, I'll give you an example Dan last year,
Bryce Underwood. I was at LSU when he was there,
he was down there for the game, literally conversations with him,
his family, everything, like hey, only places kids ever wanted
to play LSU. This is where he's going to go
to school, this is where like, this is everything to us.
The next week is when the whole entire Michigan News
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came out to check everything.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
And I'm going I just looked this kid in the
eyes the other like six days ago, and he told
me that I would never want to play anywhere else
other than be an LSU Tiger like some And that's
not a bash on him, it's just that is the reality.
Soon if somebody else comes in big money, it's hard
to tell these people to turn that kind of stuff down.
It's life changing money and people need to make their
(31:07):
own decisions. And that's my point. Lane Kiffin made the
best decision for him and his family. Who am I
to judge that, but I would say that if I
was in that position, I do think it'd be hard
for me to leave my football team. I don't think
I want to do it.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And I this since retired coach that when NIL came out,
he says, oh, who's going to sign lineman with it?
They're just going to give them like pizza, and I go,
linemen are going to make big money because that's where
you win in college football, your offense and defensive line.
I mean, look at Georgia. You win in the trenches, yep.
And I mean certainly in the NFL. But I thought,
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how naive to think you're not going to spend money
on your edge rusher or your offensive lineman just like
you do in the NFL. But I mean, what's the
biggest payout that you've heard for an offensive lineman in
college football?
Speaker 8 (31:57):
I don't know. I don't follow a lot of the
NL stuff, but I think it is going to continue
to be something huge. We've seen it in the NFL, right,
We've seen these teams that think, hey, you can try
to go the skill route and not invest in that
position as much, and you just don't see winning happening.
The teams that have good offensive lines and defensive lines
that want to win up front are the teams we're
talking about at the end of the year. Every single year.
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You look at some of the best teams in NFL.
This season, again, it's all teams or that's where they
learn to win in the trenches. And then the other pieces,
obviously are massive. Having a quarterback, having skilled players in
both sides of the football, all those things are massive.
But if you don't have the foundation of what creates
football success, you're living in a pretty temporary building in
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the sense that at any point it can be cut
out from underneath you. And look this Detroit team that's
playing tomorrow night. It's a great example of that. You
look at how good they were upfront, how dominant they
were last season. You lose Zeitler, you replace her, interior,
Frank ragnow retires. You got all new guys up there.
The young guy Ratleigs is playing good, but he's not
a veteran yet, right, and then the other guys have
been baying and not has played as well. The interior
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pressure on Jared Goff has been totally different this year.
He's been getting hit more like it changes your football team.
But they still have all those other guys Jamior Gibbs
and Jamison Williams and all the talents all out there.
But when you start to change that group up front,
it changes your football team.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
If the Cowboys get into the playoffs, what is the ceiling.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
As good as their defense can play that, I think
we're still.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Can they win a super Bowl? Or can they win
a Super Bowl?
Speaker 8 (33:36):
Here's what I would say about this season, Dan Patrick,
I think we have seen throughout the year. I don't
know if there's a team that's unbeatable. I think Carolina
beating it at LA last week shows us that. I
think the parody is it truly is? We use that
word all the time, we say it, but look weak
to week. I mean, there's not a team that you
go man. You know, if I go to Denver Broncos,
great defense, bonnecks and the offense have left me like
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wanting a lot more for a lot of weeks. You know,
I go to the Patriots, Man, maybe they're for real.
I mean, Drake may you look at them? But then
I go back and I go, wait, didn't they get
beat by the Raiders and the Steelers this year? Like
it's teams where you go, man, this team's unbeatable, but
well they lost to who, and so it's tons of
that this year. I don't think there's a team that
you sit there and go, man, this team without questions
(34:19):
making a run. I think we're gonna see who's hot
and who's healthy, and that that team has got a
chance to go win a super Bowl this year. Because
if you look at Dallas, what a team's love to
do right now? I mean, you play man to man
this game matchup against Detroit, and you're gonna try to
who's got George Pickens and Cede Lamb, which one do
you want to cover? And teams are having to do that.
That's one of the things that they're doing really well.
(34:39):
They're splitting them up and they're saying, which guy do
you want to lean to? We got the quarterback. People
forget how good Dak Prescott is, and we'll go to
whichever guy you don't lean to and we can win.
And so I think, to me, how good can the
defense be? How healthy can they be? That gives their
ceiling because they've got an opportunity to go score with
anybody in the NFL. And right now, if you look
at offensive football, there's a lot of teams, even the
(35:01):
good ones, that have seemed to really struggle with being
consistent on offense.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I think Brian Kelly's accent is better than yours.
Speaker 8 (35:11):
Uh, there's there's no question. Uh. That was probably the
first moment that everybody should have been like whoa.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (35:18):
So, you know, I.
Speaker 8 (35:22):
Get it if I go down there. Ryan Fitzpatrick always
gives me a crap as soon as I go down
there to a game where I go visit. We have
a Saints game. We come back and he's like, wait,
what happened to you? And I'm like, dude, it just
it comes out. I get back around it. I have
a you know, I have a couple of fried shrimp
and get some rum a lot and then some metu
fe and it just starts. Man, it just starts. It
(35:42):
starts folding out there.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Great to talk to you again, Thank you, buddy, Appreciate it.
Brother Andrew Whitworth, He'll be on the call the pregame
festivities for Amazon Prime. Yeah. I was waiting for the accent.
But there's certain places where you go back to and
all of a sudden it gets it's a little thicker.
Like somebody will go back to Brooklyn or go to
Long Island, Texas, certain parts of the South.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, Seon, Yeah, I spend a little time in New
Jersey that like coffee, start to taste a little more
like coffee.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
You know, it comes back, it does. It'll be the
Cowboys and the Lions and festivity start at seven Eastern
tomorrow night, Amazon Prime. Take a break. Last call for
phone calls? What we learn? What's in store tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
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listen live. Last call for phone calls, What we learn?
What's in store tomorrow? Hopefully the voice can hold up
for the next couple of days. Here final results of
(36:51):
the poll question Seaton.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, we got a few of them up there.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Let's see if you were part of the College Football
Committee playoff committee, which rationale would be most important? Team's
resume has eighty percent of that vote. The team good
for ratings is just over three percent.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
That's not doing very well. And are you.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Comfortable with the current college football ranking system? Seventy three percent?
Hard no, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
And Todd thinks that because Notre Dame is called Notre Dame,
they might get special treatment. If they were known as
South Bend University or South Bend State, they probably wouldn't.
Speaker 8 (37:29):
Not just Notre Dame.
Speaker 13 (37:29):
Just like I do believe that's in the back of
mind certain brands of schools over the years that have
had some kind of a success over many years.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah, you have to have this success and the tradition. Yeah,
but then we have the name with success. You can't go. Man,
they got a great name, they're just not any good.
Speaker 13 (37:48):
Yeah, I'd meanted more of a brand in traditions. Maybe
I spoke a little bit the name Notre Dame, but
they shouldn't have fact it in.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
But I think they do a little bit.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
How about this day in sports history, Paul, I got
a bunch for you, Dan teen to fifty. Tom Fears
of the La Rams caught eighteen passes against the Packers.
That record stood until December of two thousand, when Terrell
Owens broke it with twenty catches, of course, against the Bears.
George blandon nineteen sixty one kicked a fifty five yardfield
goal record at the time. The Rules Committee in nineteen
(38:17):
sixty eight of Major League Baseball lowered the pitching mound,
and I didn't know this one. They changed the strike
zone from knees to shoulders, to top of the knees
to the armpits, arm pits, armpits. In a press release, Yep, yeah.
The pitcher's mound went from fifteen inches to ten inches.
Fifteen to ten Yeah, and that's when you know Bob
(38:38):
Gibson had that unbelievable seat. Nineteen sixty eight, pitching stats
were crazy. Danny McClain wins thirty Gibson, Bob Gibson's one
of the more underrated pitchers of all time.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
God lean and he was on the mound. It was
a big game and he was winning those big games.
Barry Sanders in nineteen eighty eight, I'm interviewing Barry sam
he won the Heisman Trophy and wil Chamberlain made his
debut at Kansas. I didn't get to talk about the
Kansas Jerseys, Paulie, that you were apoplectic about. So I'm
(39:10):
watching the game last night.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
It's a really good game, and the Kansas Jerseys looked
like I don't want to describe because I want to
slight them. Good program, great fan base. They don't look
like Kansas jerseys. The classic script of Danny Manning and
Milton Newton and those guys, which was great and very unique.
Now it kind of looks like like a font of
a toy store or something like that. It's just very
(39:32):
off putting. Marvin's you're looking at this.
Speaker 10 (39:35):
Right, I am.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
The Connecticut jerseys look great. It looks like yeah, and
they won too.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
The logo, the Kansas font for their word Kansas looks
like Golden Corral or some type of Oh yeah, No,
one's making that comp today.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
Day's sonic.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah. By the way, the Clippers are the only NBA
team without a retired jersey, and that says a lot
of says a lot about the franchise. But now they
don't have a retired jersey and Chris paul gets kicked
(40:12):
to the curb on the road by the Clippers. Didn't
they trade Blake Griffin right after he signed a big deal,
send him to Detroit?
Speaker 8 (40:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Man, yeah, Paulie.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
By the way, you're Barry Sanders. Note hit the year
he won the Heisman, he ran for two and twenty
eight yards. In eleven games. He averaged two hundred and
forty yards a game average.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I do believe he could have had he could have
rushed for three thousand yards that year. I really do.
He made it look so easy. Let's go around the
room see if we learn anything on the program, Todd,
did you learn anything today?
Speaker 10 (40:47):
I did?
Speaker 13 (40:48):
Actually, Andrew Whitworth prefers to go up against someone with
more mass to grab onto, so he rather black Quinn
Williams than Micah Parsons Seeton.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
How about you back from vacation. What'd you learn today?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
It feels like an admission of holding right there. I
like the big guys because I can hold them better.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
That's what I love. You think Chris Fowler is tough
among other things, Paul, would you learn I made to.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Talk to a professional about my uniform issues.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Have a great day, everybody. We look forward to chatting
with you tomorrow.
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