December 26, 2025 • 48 mins
On this episode of The Dan Patrick Show, Jonas Knox & Brady Quinn are in as they go into depth on the stoppage of the USC & Notre Dame rivalry in College Football. Plus, Petros Papadakis stops by to give his two cents on the rivalry stoppage, and we have a heartwarming version of ICYMI!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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He's Brady Quinn. I'm Jonas Knox. Normally we do our
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
I mean, no, don't shame him. Don't do this. What
do you mean this? This is what you guys do
when one of us isn't here.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I got listen.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
We don't get into this. But he's got five kids.
They're all over the country. I got five that are young.
We're tied up with things. You're the one that would,
you know, work from two to five am every night
if if given the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, it's the only time in my house.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
We're building our family and we're we know, with our
family in the holiday.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I think that's okay.
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Speaker 1 (01:28):
Can I just tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
This because I know you were like belittling the Hawaii Bowl, Okay,
and I get it.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Who they played was not belittling anything. Just said, where's
the game played? And you got defensive?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Have your Rainbow Warriors coming back and winning because they're
playing essentially a home game.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And look, you know, yes, that is a home game.
And it's in front of a packed house of like
thirty five people. And look, I get all that, like
all of that is it.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Was well attended. There's a lot of Hawaiians there.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You know, Hey, interesting camrangles. I'll just I'll just put
it that way, very very interesting how they how they
present that game. But you know they're working on a
new stadium. They're working on a new stadium. A Loja
stadium is gone and buried, so all of that is
a disappointment. But I will say this, and I know
that people dismiss bowl games in general these days and say, well,
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you know who cares about this. It's a goofy sponsor
and nobody wants to be a part of this, and
nobody wants to be It is kind of cool to
just have random college football games on in the middle
of the day during the holidays. It is kind of cool,
Like I mean, and I'm not even saying from a
gambling standpoint. You don't know who you're betting on, and
I get that it's an exhibition. I still like random
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bowl games just thrown in in the middle of a Friday,
Like I just I like it, and I'm never gonna
not like it. And I hope that it continues on
for as long as it does, because I think there
is something fun about it. Maybe I'm in the minority,
but I'm a big fan of these random games just
in the middle of the week.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, if we need like the bowl games to be that.
It's great. I guess like I.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Love football, I love any level of football, and seeing
them on at any point in time during the day
like that, that's one of my favorite parts to it.
I just I think the tough thing is for where
college football is at. For the fan, that's what we love,
that's what we've always known, and unfortunately for the players
and coaches, this time of year isn't that anymore. You know,
these players now are being asked to play an exhibition
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game with a coach that may may not be staying,
and it's not usually a part of their deal, their contract.
I mean, that's as crazy as that sounds to admit.
That's how this works. You know, when you do a
contract before the season, sometimes there's some things laid in
that out in there, sometimes there's not. And these exhibition
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games are ones that most of the agents at the
college level who represent players are probably not factoring those
players into playing.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Those and it stinks.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
But it's where college foot it's now at a professional model,
So I know it. It's tough for us as fans
to hear about these guys opting out guys who transfer
the portal coaches, you know, with one foot out the door.
But this is that the adults at the table have
all made and we've we now no longer have this
amateur sport. And important because we've given power back to
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the players and they're and they're utilizing that. They're getting
compensated for what they should have been compensated all along.
And I looked up further because it's funny you bring
up like the bowlseason college football. The thing that's like
glaringly obvious to me that becomes like the biggest issue
in college athletics is what we're seeing in college basketball.
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Like you have players who have been drafted that went
overseas to play professional basketball that are now joining teams
with like a semester to play, or are players leaving
like the G League. Right, it's like coming back to
college basketball. And then that doesn't tell you this model
is completely jacked up. I don't know what does shout
(05:03):
out to, Uh, Brandon Whedon, Chris Wanky.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
You know, they were really ahead of their time, all right,
they were really ahead of their time.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
They were different, right, Like those are guys who played
professional sports in a different sport and then they came
back to football. These are guys who are the same sport.
It'd been like someone getting drafted in the sixth or
you know, fifth or sixth round and then you know
it doesn't work out for a year or two then
coming back to college.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You know that's the difference.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Like, like we've never seen this and this happening in
college basketball right now?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I where did like how did this whole thing start?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
This?
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Like this?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It's basically banana land? Was this all part of uh?
Like covid. I was talking to my brother last night
because my nephew plays at Fairris State. By the way,
just won another national championship, and he's going to get
a lot more burned time. Yeah no, uh, Antoine de Mela, Yeah,
he's gonna uh he's going to be getting on.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
You know. Is there anyone in your family with the
name that I just tried to Oh no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
And by the way, if you are looking for your
straight up whitebread name anywhere in the Knox family outside
of the immediate family, not happening. We shop in different aisles,
right there's like there's there's something for everybody there.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It is a real potluck.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
But like if you look at just sort of where
like for his case for example, So he's going to
be getting a lot more burn time as you call it,
next year as a player because the six year seniors
are leaving. And then I believe that he mentioned last
night that there was a seven year guy on the team,
(06:36):
and I'm thinking to myself, wait, what like like you
just like Tyler Shuck? I think I have this, Like
I think Tyler Shuck. Was he a teammate with Justin
Herbert at Oregon?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I think he was.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I think he played seven years. He's really two way
six now. Yeah, it's like, so what did this?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Is this just the COVID year just through everything for
a loop? Is is that where we're at now?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
That was part of it.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
But I think even with NIL once it was made
legal state by state, what's happened now is there's money involved,
and all of these players, it could be their families,
their agents, they're all trying to exhaust all efforts at
earning whatever they can while they can. And it's hard
for me to look back at that and criticize it
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because I think most people will do the same thing
too if you're in that position. And it's always funny
to me when you hear critics and people who comment
against this and say, well, why are they doing that?
Why can't they just move on? It's like, well, if
you were getting potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars to come,
you know, have your son play, or you know daughter
for that matter, maybe in some other sports, like you
would exhaust all efforts too. So as much as we
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would criticize it, this is a model that was essentially
made by the NCAA out of negligence, meaning they wanted
to keep denying the fact that this is where the
sport was going at in every sport, whether it's college basketball,
you know, football, whatever you want to talk about, this
is where it was going and everyone wanted to turn
a blind eye to it. And now we find ourselves
(08:10):
in this position where I think in men's college basketball
it's never been worse. There has never been a more confusing,
crazy time in men's college basketball than right now, where
you've got legitimate, you know, amateur athletes, guys coming from
the high school level up who are now competing with
pros essentially that couldn't.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Make it in the NBA or maybe are getting paid more.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Now to come over from foreign professional leagues to playing
the men's college basketball.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
And the thing that's crazy to me too, if we
want to make a parallel to just college football. Right now,
everyone loves March Madness, at least maybe besides maybe not
Joel Klatt, based on some of his comments about looking
to send a relatives that's his words, not Mineel Merry Christmas.
But everyone, maybe besides Joel loves March Madness and loves
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the potential of Cinderell stories. What I used to love though,
is like knowing the players on the team, and nowadays
you have no clue. There's it's so transient. There's so
much movement. There's guys who are there for one year.
There's guys who are you know, on different teams three
years in a row, all making their March Madness, you know,
debut with a different team each year. It's actually completely
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taken away from the experience of it. Yes, you have
some crazy finishes and you've got your you know, sixteen
seed challenging a number one seed, and that's exciting and
I'm part of it. That's added a level of parody
to the game, but it's also taken away from you know,
being able for I think these tournaments and these teams
and these brands to be well known, I mean part
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of the history of like Duke North Carolina. Are some
of the players who played through multiple years of that
matchup against one another. Yeah, And it's just tough now
to kind of look back on, you know, even some
of these the runs that some of those teams would
have in Arch madness that they're not there anymore.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's hard to have that consistent success.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And maybe you say, well, that's good because it creates
an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
For other teams.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
But is it, like, is this a world where we're
excited about college sports and what it's brought. It feels
like the conversation now is like leveled with what we're
seeing on the court, on the field, with what's.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Happening off of it.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
And I never feel like that's a good thing for
the sport as soon as the conversation around the sport
starts being more about everything other than the sport itself.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
And I think that the NBA is battling this right now.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
You've completely lost You've completely lost your sport.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
By the way, you mentioned the Duke North Carolina rivalry
and all those players that went through all those years
of the rivalry, Like, how about the fact and I
know you know this and we're going to talk with
Petros Papadakis coming up here shortly, but how about the
fact that there's going to be guys that attend USC
and Notre Dame who never know that rivalry, Like, like,
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there's gonna be a gap of players who never took
part in that rivalry.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
It's kind of wild.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
It's a shame, And I understand from the Southern cal perspective,
but this would this would.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Be my argument, I think out there and.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
A lot of people be like, oh, you're biased or
you're not objective because you went to Notre Dame. We
played Look I did, and I but I lost SC
in every one of those matchups and then playing against
them in the greatest area or excuse me era of
SC football. I think that's fair to say, and it's
probably factual at least during that time period where they
won back to back national championships, played for a third,
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and they were in contention for it even my senior
year when we went out there. If they didn't I
think drop a game, what is the UCLA Maybe whoever
they dropped the game to at some point, you know
that season that caused you know, Florida.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
To go instead of SC.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
But I would I would go back and play those
games and aperient sent all over again, even if you
know again that was the challenge of playing against the
number one team in the country every single one of
those years and knowing that, like our program wasn't built
back up to that extent anymore, because that was part
of the reason why you went to Notre Dame. It
was for the Notre Dame SC game. It was for
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a lot of those rivers that you played for. And
I think the tough thing for me with this entire
conversation around this rivalry that has existed since what nineteen
twenty six. I mean we've missed because of a World
War in COVID. That's the only two times the conversation
about this rivalry not being renewed. It didn't start with
Notre Dame. It started with Southern count I started with
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Lincoln Riley. He was the first person that introduced this.
And what's interesting about that is he had two years
in the PAC twelve before that got dismantled, or at
least I should say transformed to.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
What it is today, where he didn't win the.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Conference, you know, they struggled to beat Notre Dame and
so there was really no excuses. But I think when
they moved into the Big Ten, they realized like, oh,
we actually have to play an even tougher schedule now,
and because of that, they viewed this game as too
big of a big of a challenge.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
What's crazy to me, though, is like Pete Carroll.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Would have never ducked this game, never, And you've got
a head coach now that's willing to that's willing to
throw out history, throw out tradition, and he's been enabled
by their athletic director in Jen Cohen, who should be
able to stand up and say like, this is part
of the deal. When you took the job, you knew
you were going to play them every single year. That's
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part of the deal. It's part of the job. Marcus
Freeman took it knowing that Brian Kelly took it knowing
that that's part of one of those games you get
fired up for. But because of SC's decision to then
leave the Pac twelve, which altimately led to its crumbling,
join the Big Ten, and because of their lack of
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success and ability to compete we now have a rival
that go away because what's changed for Notre Dame in
that time absolutely nothing that changed head coaches, athletic director's presidents.
There was never a point time where Notre Dame asked
to be out of this rivalry, even during my era
where we went to a couple back to back BCS
games where we could be competitive, but not to the
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lengths of the team that was number one in the country.
Never and we've still remained independent, which a lot of
people hold against Notre Dame for that, you know, for
why we've done it, and I don't explain this to you.
I mean, there's a deep history to this. It's deeply
rooted in Notre Dame's Catholicism and the way you know,
Catholics at one point in time this country were persecuted.
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And why Notre Dame became this national brand. It wasn't
because of you know, necessarily just because of marketing and
New Rockney.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
It had a lot to do.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
With the fact that there were teams that didn't want
to let us in the Western Conference, which became the
Big Ten, because of their Catholic roots.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
So Notre Dame went out traveling amongst.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
The country to play whoever they could play, and then
became this national brand that was born from that. So
when people ask you to join a conference, maybe they
just don't really understand the roots and the deep ti
there is to Catholicism and why that matters for everyone
who's been a part of Notre Dame since then. But
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I digress because it's not about that.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
To me.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
It's about sc and it's about them not having any
success in this series of late making the decision to
join a conference now that they're having a hard time
competing in and then not having a head coach and
an athletic director that can stand up and say, you
know what, like, we're gonna keep doing this because we're
gonna get this right, because we believe that it will
eventually get back on top of that mountain. And you
can blame Notre Dame for saying like, well, obviously they
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didn't concede that to SE. Which think about that matchup
in general, Jonas, they never played in the cold months
in South Bend.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
They play in October.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
It's not like they're forcing SE to have to play
in inclement weather like in the end of the season.
They're playing in October there's still plenty of football left
to be played, and then Southern cal gets to host
at the end of the season at their place, which
plays all to their advantage in that regard. So even
the way it's scheduled as it was, it was never
playing to the advantage of Notre Dame. It was never
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forcing them to come play in inclement, whether at some
point in November in South Bend, it's always played to
Sea's advantage.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, the whole.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Thing is just it's sad.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
And then the other thing is, at least you have
people like Keishawn Johnson, you know, Patrick's we're gonna talk
to you here in a minute, coming out and then
calling them on it. And then you have guys like
Matt Leiner lukoh, you know, I believe it's like, come on, dude,
and I don't have this argument with Matt, like on
the phone through whatever, Like it's Christmas, so I'm not
going to do that. But it's sad for someone who
had so much success in the series, for someone who's
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been like you know him and whoever else you want
to talk about who's been in the history of se
some of the greatest players.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
The fact that you're not calling this out. It's crazy
to me.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Every SC player should, I would hope, unless they're just
scared of them, because that's really.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
What it comes down to.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
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college football playoff.
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continue the NFL conversation here. With a busy weekend, a
lot of things could be changing as far as the
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NFL playoff picture goes coming up here this upcoming weekend.
But right now, things are going to change, and that's
the mood that's.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Going to change.
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Because he's the one and only Petros Papadakis. He is
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Happy belated Christmas.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
Oh hello, Merry Christmas. Just happy New Year to everybody.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
We were what what's so funny?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
What's that fun.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Okay, it's always funny because you and I were texting
each other.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Was it Christmas Eve?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I think it was Christmas Eve? It was late because
of a lot of the news that came out.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Oh yeah, Christmas Eve.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Yeah, it's Christmas even instead of like you know, which
we eventually shared wishes for the holiday, but we were
both texting back and forth just about the decision where
Notre Dame and SC will no longer play until earliest
twenty thirty. And obviously you had your thoughts about it,
which I was like, you know what, we'll just talk
about a Friday. Let's let's try to enjoy the holiday
(20:23):
before we let it Ruin a portion.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Of this, you actually booked me on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I believe for this.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Okay, So here I am Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
All right, So let's let's get right into it now
that the dust is settled and the decision has been
made in twenty thirty, I guess is the earliest.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
At the note, there's no guarantee of that.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, where does it land with you? I obviously was
listening to you and Matt money Smith talk about it
on your show throughout the course of the week. I
think you used the word that you were disgusted by
the whole thing. Are you surprised that it ended up
in this spoty?
Speaker 9 (21:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Yeah, I thought, I to me, and this goes on
Notre Dame too to a certain degree. Either they didn't
start this, but to me, if you're the athletic director
at Notre Dame and you're the athletic director at USC.
And right now USC doesn't have a university president, and
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leadership is corroded to the point where we're here.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
But if this.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
Is your job as a leadership position at the universities,
it's your job to preserve this, even if they're being annoying,
even if they won't give you this concession or that concession,
it's your job to make sure the rivalry continues. You
don't want to be the person that ended a centuries
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old rivalry. You don't want to be the administration that
caused this kind of discord. And instead they used proxies
in the media and use social media and use all
kinds of petty tactics to go back and forth and say, well,
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you didn't tell us about this and this college football
playoff report and this and that.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
None of that means anything.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
The bottom line is it was your job to preserve
this and your job to understand it and how important
it is. And the truth is, ever since Lincoln Riley
got the USC job, he has tried to wriggle out
of games that were non conference that were difficult. Last year,
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Remember how bad they tried to get out of the
LSU game that they ended up winning that they played
in Las Vegas at the beginning of the twenty twenty
four season.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
You tried to get out of that.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
He's always commenting on how early the kick is, how
late the kick is if it's a Friday kick, how
long they have to prepare. This guy is preoccupied with
making sure they have winnable games all the time. That's
not what the USC coach is supposed to be. Maybe
leadership at US is corroda to the point where it is,
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But to me, the bar is very high at USC.
And if you can't if you can't handle that before
you even coach one game there, and he was talking
about the Notre Dame rivalry before he even coached a game,
then he should not be there either. It is a travesty.
I don't want to hear about now that USC is
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in the Big ten.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Blah blah blah. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Anybody that's ever played against Notre Dame for USC, or
USSE for Notre Dame against USC for Notre Dame knows
how special it is. It's what legitimizes the rivalry. It's
what or USC and college football. It's what legitimizes the
fact that USC is even better and more shining historic
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destiny nation on the West coast in Oregon or Washington
or anybody else, Ucla, Stanford cal because they played Notre
Dame every year for one hundred years, and that is
it's part of our identity. If you played at USC,
it's what makes it cool and vice versa. So yes,
I'm disgusted, and to me, it.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
USC should just get rid of every tradition they have
ever had and go with whatever's popular. Get rid of
the Trojan mascot and make it what is a French
bulldog is very popular these days, so they could be
the French bulldogs. Put names on the back of the uniforms.
Let everybody wear the stupid pink and purply shoes, do
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the alternate uniforms. Now, just forget it, because it's honestly,
and I'm not saying this to be hyperbolic, it's over.
This is an abortion of everything that college football is
supposed to be. I know that a lot of it
has slipped through our fingers in the last ten years,
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but USC Notre Dame was supposed to transcend that because
there's no conferences involved. I don't care if Notre Dame's
not in a conference. I don't care who else is
on Notre Dame schedule. I don't care whatever year circumstances,
whether Notre Dame needs USC more or USC needs Notre
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Dame more. These are the stupidest arguments I've ever heard.
There's nobody at USC to trust leadership wise. It's corroded
to that level. And the fact that they've let this
happen is exactly like I described a.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Couple of days ago. I'm discussed.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I hope they don't do away with this new tradition
i'm seeing of them announcing the players signing back. I mean,
it's like I always felt like SC was one of
those places where you're not going anywhere else. You're either
going to the pros or you'll be there. I didn't
know they needed to announce that more attention. Yes, Yes,
it's been an interesting trend.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I can't wait to see go away hopefully.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I do want to talk about this from the Notre
Dame perspective of things, because I'm not saying that they're
blameless in this instance, although.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
They're not, because they let part of this happen that
they didn't start this and I don't, you know, I'll
understand whatever they're in their nuances are, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Well, my understanding is that they tried to play this.
They tried to do it earlier in this season, and
they wanted to continue to keep doing it as a
home and home but it seemed like sc was and
for whatever reason. I mean, I'm more curious to your
perspective on this, Like, if you're NBC, you've got to
be pretty ticked off right now because you're, you know,
one of the Big ten partners and you've got one
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of the biggest brands, I mean arguably one that you're
going to be putting in your primetime slot on the
Big ten schedule probably often. And they're going behind your
back with Netflix to try to play a neutral site
game in Las Vegas or Mexico City.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
And it's like that who usc notre dame to me?
I mean, no, it's not so.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
I wonder when they should have never tried to change
the placement of where it is on the schedule. I
know that changed a little bit after a couple decades
after the rivalry started, it got moved to a little
bit earlier in October as opposed to a November November thing.
But that's the only time I ever moved. I don't
think that was necessary. I think that was stupid, and
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I understand why Notre Dame did what they did. They
got tired of dealing with SC and it became a
relatively public negotiation and everybody's pointing fingers. Now, none of
this should have ever happened, and it started with Lincoln Riley.
And there's nobody at USC strong enough to say, who
the hell are you Lincoln Riley, to tell us we
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can't do this or we can't have this. You won't
even be at USC in twenty thirty. So that's what
really drives me crazy. No, it should never have been
a neutral sit game where they play at the Atlantis
or some stupid ass thing like that. And it should
have never been a game in September. That's not what
USC Notre Dame is all about. Again, this is an
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abortion of tradition, an abortion of history.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
It is absolute and total proof.
Speaker 8 (28:16):
To me that we've completely lost the thread of college football.
And I know it's been crazy the last few years,
and there's been a lot of riding on the Wall.
I never thought it would go this far, and I'm
really disappointed.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
If they don't make the playoff, now, then what's the conversation,
because this is all about what's going to increase their
chance as USC that is of making the playoff.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Just think about the logic there.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
You know, we're not going to do something that identifies
us as USC football, so we can maybe make a
college football playoff, which I would think that I.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Would think that would strengthen your case if you could
beat Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Maybe that's just me.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
That's the thing.
Speaker 8 (29:00):
It's like year and in year out, you never really
know if you need it or not. And it's just
not USC football to schedule Arkansas State and Missouri State
and Georgia Southern. I mean, yes, every once in a while,
but to sit here and play those teams as your
non con and that's what Lincoln Riley wants to do.
That's clearly the model. I mean, I remember Pete Carroll,
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they played Kansas State, they'd go to Virginia. They filled
their non conference, they went Nebraska, Ohio State. They and
there was an even slimmer chance of playing in the
postseason for the national championship. But they went and did
it anyway, because that's supposed to be the mentality of
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USC football. You play the best, you beat the best,
you move on to the next week. That's how it's
supposed to be when it works. But it hasn't worked
in decades. And if they make the playoff, great, it
doesn't matter. You've lost your whole identity. I don't care
if they make the playoff, and what is the playoff.
There's gonna be twenty teams in the playoff in a
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couple of years. So to me, it's I mean, it's
like cutting off your arm because there's a cool sleeveless
jacket that's on the market.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
It's God, I've always wanted a best you know what
I mean.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
It's just it just to me, I don't know how
I'm gonna go forward and even talk about USC football
because to me, they just get rid of the band
and get a DJ and start playing at Bemo Stadium
and change the colors till whatever is really really cool
right now, like a like a neon pink and blue.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Just forget it. It's over.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Yeah, it's at least good to hear fight on French Voldo.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
It's good to hear former SC players like yourself, Keishawn Johnson.
There's been some others who seem disappointed by this, but
there's also some others who don't.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
They seem to be okay.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
With yes, supporting the decisions by Lincoln Riley and Jen
Cohen and those that be SC.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Those are the ones that are inside the building with
Lincoln Riley and Jen Cohen like those are the ones.
The few very visible USC people that are into this
are people that get paid by USC. It's that simple.
There are people on the inside that don't want to
lose their access to one of their revenue streams, and
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they don't have the courage to step outside it and say, look,
it's this rivalry that made me famous. It's this rivalry
that created all the stupid stuff that I do now.
So it's just simply cowardice to me. And I know
that I don't have any friends over there, and I
haven't had any friends over there for a long time,
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and it's partially because of the way I've been as
far as.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Being critical or objective.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Over the years. However you want to put.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
It is beyond the pale, and anybody that's a USC
football player that played against Notre Dame and played in
the USC Notre Dame rivalry, took the field at South Bend,
stuff like that, and they can turn around and say
this is for the best because USC has to go
to Nebraska in October now or whatever. I'm sure it's
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pretty hard for those people to look in the mirror.
It would be hard for me. Let's just put it
like that, and look, I have a relationship with the
USC athletic director and people like that. I don't dislike her,
I respect her. I thought she did a great job
at Washington. And there's a sad irony for me because
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for a long time I said USC needs new blood.
USC needs a real athletic director who's a real administrator
that can make real decisions. And USC needs a covenant
head coach from outside of the Trojan family. They don't
need to keep hiring people on the inside so they
can keep control of their program, like Clay Helton and
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stuff like that. And it's a sad irony that USC
got an athletic director that other people would have hired.
They got a head coach that other people would have hired,
which was not the case with.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Clay Helton and.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
Those two people guide them out of the Notre Dame rivalry.
So I mean, I feel kind of stupid forever endorsing
them in the first place. I thought it was going
to be glorious when Lincoln Riley was hired, and it's
been the opposite. He's been almost exactly the same performance
wise as Clay Helton, so for a lot more money
and a buyout that they can't afford, and the athletic
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director probably would have fired him if it wasn't for that.
But now they're in lockstep on this Notre Dame thing,
and it's sad. I should have never endorsed either of
them in the first place. And as far as people
that are around USC that are for this, they're compromised
by their work and their relationship with the university.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
And that's fine. Everybody makes their own decisions.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
But I would I would look hard at what the
Notre Dame rivalry did for those people and then wonder
why those people don't want to afford that opportunity to
USC and Notre Dame players in the future.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
That's kind of sad and feels kind of hypocritical.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, that's a great point, petros.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
I didn't want to ask you. We're talking about Matt Liiner.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I do.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
I don't want to see like a bitch not saying
his name. I mean, I know right now he's doing
that weird elbow thing to put his credit card on
the stuff from the commercial with Lady.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Oh Man, oh boy.
Speaker 8 (34:40):
I mean, look, you know, I mean, did I seriously
have to watch Brady and Matt and HD every single
freaking year for the last twenty years sit in a
theater and talk about the Bush push, only for Matt
Liner to show up on social media and endorse ending
the Notre Dame rivalry. Like am I living in Tunetown
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and Disneyland. This is the stupidest thing I've ever like.
I don't expect, you know, the Paradise loss to come
out of Matt Leiner's Twitter, But my god.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah, I mean you could also make the case that
game helps Reggie Bush win the Heisman.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
Dude, Notre Dame us. He defines Notre Dame in USC
that year. Every year, every player, whether whether it's nationally remembered,
we remember it. The guys that played. I mean, don't
get me started. Go ahead with your question.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
It just no, none of it makes any sense, and
we kind of made the point earlier this week in
that it's almost like.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
It makes sense if you start from the premise that
Lincoln Riley doesn't want to play. He doesn't want to
play games they might lose if you really peel back.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
The layers of Lincoln Riley in general, I mean, he
didn't want to go to LSU. He chose SCU over
LSU because I think he knew would be an easier path.
He wasn't going to stay at Oklahoma because he didn't
think that they would have a chance to compete in
the SEC. This isn't pretty clear time he's ducked like
challenges or that adversity that comes with it.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
Yeah, it started with him, you know. So the fact
that this started with him and then people are like, well,
Notre Durham said we worked on it, It's like, no, no, no,
this started with Lincoln Riley. The athletic director wasn't powerful
enough to stop him. There's no president of the university
right now. They don't have one. Leadership is corroded at
USC to the point where this could happen. This is
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on Lincoln Riley, and it's a disgusting, terrible thing. And
anybody that thinks it's not is a slave to the
moment in college football, and they'll be changing their opinion
rapidly every couple weeks because that's what that's why we
have such a problem in college football.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
But we have a lot of problems in college football.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
But one of the biggest problems is look at the
committee for the College Football Playoff, which is just owned
and operated and controlled by ESPN, which I guess is
fine because they pay the whole thing anyway, But the
committee has football people on it, like coach Alt and
Mozelle from the Sports Illustrated, a long time very respected
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media guy, Wesley Walls I think is on there or something.
I mean, Mike Riley, my old offensive coordinator. Those guys
are fine when you put ads on there. Now you're
putting politicians on there, and what a politicians do? They
have no backbone and they sway with public opinion. And
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if that's your case in college football right now, it's
like what are you standing on You're standing on jello.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
You have to have some kind of foundation, and we've.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
Completely lost that through the TV networks control of the sport.
And I understand a lot of money being made. I
understood the move from the Big from the PAC twelve
to the Big ten, and the collapse of the Packed
ten as we knew it, and then Packed twelve, which
is a conference that I loved. I understood that and
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to a certain degree defended it because I saw how
poorly the PAC twelve was run over the years. What
I'm saying is, I'm a pragmatist. I'm not just some
crazy old man on a hill screaming and yelling in
a robe and with a staff.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
I am.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
I am aware of the modern movings of college football,
but to me, this is beyond the pale. And there's
a lot of signs, like you guys have just pointed out, Brady,
there's a lot of signs as to why or how
this was happening. But it starts with Lincoln Riley not
wanting to play. And that's the bottom line. And you
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can look at it any which way, and that's really
where it started and that's where it ended up. And
it's very difficult to accept.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
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LA Sports Fox College football analysts and our goodbye petros.
We appreciate it and we'll talk to you hopefully next week.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Happy to know your brother. Happy New Year to you guys.
Speaker 8 (39:06):
I'm gonna go get a credit card machine and try
to that arm thing that liner.
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the guys. Coming up top of next hour about fifteen
minutes from now. Somebody's ruined one of the great traditions
in all of sportsoute disgusting. We'll get into that for
you right here on f s R. But right now
it's time for something we do on our show, Two
(40:07):
Pros and a Cup of Joe with myself, Brady Quinn
and LeVar Arrington. It's another edition of In Case You
missed It, and it starts now.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
Sometimes sometimes you can't get to everything in the world
of sports or entertainment. Good thing the guys are here
to bring you in.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Case you missed it, and for that we turned it
over to our executive producer, the one and only Patrick Sweek.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Patty speaks, what up, Brady?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
What up? What's up?
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
It's supposed to be an airport horns?
Speaker 9 (40:49):
That's my version of an air horn. It's not great,
but you know what, Thank you. Let's go well. In
case you missed it, I missed you, guys. It was
a lovely Christmas. But you know what, we're back in business. Everybody,
we're here.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
By the way, can I just say this, yes, Patrick's
mom how like how long does she like take to
like she just bakes all day like during the holidays.
Speaker 9 (41:15):
In particular, it was three days Friday, she ended Sunday, afternoon.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Unbelievable, Like, oh no, she just home homebrewed.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Man, you gotta start selling, like to like start selling
tins of goodies. I'm telling like, she put together stuff.
And my wife was like, who made these? And I
was about to lie and say I did, but she
would have seen right through because I can't. And I
just said, yeah, Patrick, our producer, he like his mom bakes,
And she said this is unbelievable. I was like, yeah,
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everything's good, creative, Like you're missing an opportunity there to
make a little cash point that.
Speaker 9 (41:53):
Out shout out to my mom's I know you listen
around now, just mamma, you good?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
You good moment?
Speaker 9 (41:59):
What up mama? Well, in case you missed it, guys,
speaking of ill again, a little fire here. JJ Reddick,
a coach of the Lakers after their recent loss yesterday,
was oh so not very happy at his team.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
In fact, I.
Speaker 9 (42:16):
Actually have a sound to play coming up here. Here's
what a coach Reddick had to say.
Speaker 10 (42:20):
I've been a good basketball team, and we haven't. We're
a terrible basketball team. And tonight we were a terrible
basketball team. And that started legitimately right away. We don't
care enough to do the things that are necessary. We
don't care enough to be a professional. It's you know,
we had it, it can change like that.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
We don't have it right now.
Speaker 10 (42:38):
What I said the other night, it's a matter of
making the choice, and too often we have guys that
don't want to make that choice. And it's pretty consistent
who those guys are. And so Saturday practice, I told
the guys it's going to be uncomfortable. The meeting is
going to be uncomfortable. I'm not doing another fifty three
games like this.
Speaker 9 (42:58):
Scathing from coach Redick here.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Good for him? Also, why did you take the gig?
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Dudes?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Like he could?
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Like he was great in the media, He was a
great as a broadcaster, he had his podcast, he had
all those other opportunities, and he chose to be miserable
as the coach of the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
It's one of those jobs, though, because if you get
offered it, can you turn it down?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
If you got options? Yeah, Like, I I don't know.
I just think he if he was awful, like if
it just wasn't working, and you know as a broadcaster,
he was flaming out and then there was an opportunity
to go, you know, be a head coach somewhere.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Oh yeah, that would make sense. But he was great
at that and.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
He just seems like he's miserable a lot of the
times as a coach of the leaders. I mean, but
at least Luca got skinny this year, so there is that.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Well, I guess I'll ask this, did he confuse the
relationship that he had with Lebron and maybe even like
when he was stepping into this role, who would ultimately
be in control of the roster and the decisions, because
I don't know, it feels like ever since that he's
stepped into this role, the relationship with with Lebron has
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been somewhat fractured. Alwa's not what it used to be.
And then it feels like he's just a figurehead more
than anything else.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, I think he wants you know, he's looking for
better defensive effort. And it's like like, but that's not
Luca's game, Like it never has been, Like, that's not
Lebron's game anymore. Like if you watch Lebron, like he's
out there just kind of kind of good and look,
he's been in the league one hundred and five years,
Like I get it, but it's like he's looking for
better defensive efforts. That's not their game. And so I
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don't know how why anybody should be surprised by this,
but you know, it's a Lakers and I feel like
we hit our quota in covering the Lakers here, you know,
to finish up the calendar year.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
So that's that's always important. What else we got, Patty?
All right?
Speaker 9 (44:55):
So Christmas gift for the Steelers on the eve of Christmas?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
You guys?
Speaker 8 (45:00):
Ask?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Well?
Speaker 5 (45:01):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Watt is back, Hey, he was practicing. Hey, after the injury,
let's go look at can we.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Get some details in the lung injury? How does that happen?
You know?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Nothing, like, hey, just very care your run of the
mill holiday SHIV by a member of the training staff
right before you get ready for Christmas?
Speaker 1 (45:19):
You know, just nothing.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I'm telling you, man, Nothing about that entire story has
made sense from the get go, even the explanation afterwards,
Like you're trying to explain dry needling and how nearly
impossible that is. And you've got like some doctors that
are saying, oh no, no, it's possible, could happen. And
doctor David Chow's on social media being like you'd have
to work really hard to collapse somebody's lung using those
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those little needles, like they're just really fine, like even
like thinner than sewing needles, and somehow has lung got collapsed.
Mike Tomlin doesn't have any answers, doesn't know what it's like.
It feels like we have not heard the end of
this and there's gonna be I'm sort of a conversation.
I don't know if there's a legal impact to it all,
but none of it has made.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
Sense, this whole thing.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
I mean, there'll definitely be a workman's calm claim at
the minimum, But I mean, I've had dry needling done before,
and I've had like issues with ribs cartilage and the
rib and all that, and I've had injections right like
usually they did numb it up before games to give
me a shot a novacane, so.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Locally you couldn't feel anything.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
And it's odd to me that Again, I understand mistakes happen,
but through dry needling, I just it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I don't even know them. Again, I'm not any expert
in this.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
I've never heard of a player getting dry needling in
that area.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, like what is the like, what's the Is it
just to relieve pressure like the dry needling is.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
To do what?
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Oh god, I don't know if we have enough time
to go through that.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
But I mean there's some people who talk about like
the meridian system, like your body's like electrical kind of
charge and energy. There's who talk from it from like
an acupuncture standpoint like that way. There's other people who
feel like it helps, you know, bring like recovery cells
and from like a cellular standpoint.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Locally to that area. I don't think that's that's a
warm hole you want to jump down.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
But but collapsing of the lung is not part of
the is not part of the conversation when it comes
to dry needly like they just it just feels, it
feels odd. What else we got, Patty Oh?
Speaker 9 (47:25):
With that said, uh, we're still gonna stay with the NFL.
So Dak Prescott and the Cowboys played yesterday on Christmas.
Dak Prescott says he's still gonna play for the final game,
and he actually said why he's gonna play with no
playoffs pride. He says he's never been He's never been,
you know, missing the playoffser you know, under five hundred
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and all that stuff. He says, this is the first
for him.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
He's just gonna play for pride.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I I love how like this.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Is being we act like he's not being paid.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
There's also that hey, like you can't just like sit
out where you're being paid fifty million a year.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Hey what a guy?
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I understand, but what is he supposed to not play? Like, no, listen,
you know what, let them have it. You know, we're
out of it. Like there's nothing like, what does he
what does he get? Are they trying to keep him
healthy for a game next week? Like, no, of course
he's gonna play. I don't understand why this is even
a topic of conversation, but I think the NBA has
kind of soiled it for everybody to where now when
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players do participate in games, you're like, man, what a teammate?
Speaker 1 (48:33):
What a player
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
I mean, no, don't shame him. Don't do this. What
do you mean this? This is what you guys do
when one of us isn't here.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I got listen.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
We don't get into this. But he's got five kids.
They're all over the country. I got five that are young.
We're tied up with things. You're the one that would,
you know, work from two to five am every night
if if given the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, it's the only time in my house.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
We're building our family and we're we know, with our
family in the holiday.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I think that's okay.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's the only time I'm able to speak English. So
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Speaker 1 (01:28):
Can I just tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
This because I know you were like belittling the Hawaii Bowl, Okay,
and I get it.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Who they played was not belittling anything. Just said, where's
the game played? And you got defensive?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Have your Rainbow Warriors coming back and winning because they're
playing essentially a home game.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And look, you know, yes, that is a home game.
And it's in front of a packed house of like
thirty five people. And look, I get all that, like
all of that is it.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Was well attended. There's a lot of Hawaiians there.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You know, Hey, interesting camrangles. I'll just I'll just put
it that way, very very interesting how they how they
present that game. But you know they're working on a
new stadium. They're working on a new stadium. A Loja
stadium is gone and buried, so all of that is
a disappointment. But I will say this, and I know
that people dismiss bowl games in general these days and say, well,
(02:19):
you know who cares about this. It's a goofy sponsor
and nobody wants to be a part of this, and
nobody wants to be It is kind of cool to
just have random college football games on in the middle
of the day during the holidays. It is kind of cool,
Like I mean, and I'm not even saying from a
gambling standpoint. You don't know who you're betting on, and
I get that it's an exhibition. I still like random
(02:41):
bowl games just thrown in in the middle of a Friday,
Like I just I like it, and I'm never gonna
not like it. And I hope that it continues on
for as long as it does, because I think there
is something fun about it. Maybe I'm in the minority,
but I'm a big fan of these random games just
in the middle of the week.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, if we need like the bowl games to be that.
It's great. I guess like I.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Love football, I love any level of football, and seeing
them on at any point in time during the day
like that, that's one of my favorite parts to it.
I just I think the tough thing is for where
college football is at. For the fan, that's what we love,
that's what we've always known, and unfortunately for the players
and coaches, this time of year isn't that anymore. You know,
these players now are being asked to play an exhibition
(03:27):
game with a coach that may may not be staying,
and it's not usually a part of their deal, their contract.
I mean, that's as crazy as that sounds to admit.
That's how this works. You know, when you do a
contract before the season, sometimes there's some things laid in
that out in there, sometimes there's not. And these exhibition
(03:47):
games are ones that most of the agents at the
college level who represent players are probably not factoring those
players into playing.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Those and it stinks.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
But it's where college foot it's now at a professional model,
So I know it. It's tough for us as fans
to hear about these guys opting out guys who transfer
the portal coaches, you know, with one foot out the door.
But this is that the adults at the table have
all made and we've we now no longer have this
amateur sport. And important because we've given power back to
(04:21):
the players and they're and they're utilizing that. They're getting
compensated for what they should have been compensated all along.
And I looked up further because it's funny you bring
up like the bowlseason college football. The thing that's like
glaringly obvious to me that becomes like the biggest issue
in college athletics is what we're seeing in college basketball.
(04:42):
Like you have players who have been drafted that went
overseas to play professional basketball that are now joining teams
with like a semester to play, or are players leaving
like the G League. Right, it's like coming back to
college basketball. And then that doesn't tell you this model
is completely jacked up. I don't know what does shout
(05:03):
out to, Uh, Brandon Whedon, Chris Wanky.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
You know, they were really ahead of their time, all right,
they were really ahead of their time.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
They were different, right, Like those are guys who played
professional sports in a different sport and then they came
back to football. These are guys who are the same sport.
It'd been like someone getting drafted in the sixth or
you know, fifth or sixth round and then you know
it doesn't work out for a year or two then
coming back to college.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You know that's the difference.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Like, like we've never seen this and this happening in
college basketball right now?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I where did like how did this whole thing start?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
This?
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Like this?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It's basically banana land? Was this all part of uh?
Like covid. I was talking to my brother last night
because my nephew plays at Fairris State. By the way,
just won another national championship, and he's going to get
a lot more burned time. Yeah no, uh, Antoine de Mela, Yeah,
he's gonna uh he's going to be getting on.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
You know. Is there anyone in your family with the
name that I just tried to Oh no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
And by the way, if you are looking for your
straight up whitebread name anywhere in the Knox family outside
of the immediate family, not happening. We shop in different aisles,
right there's like there's there's something for everybody there.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It is a real potluck.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
But like if you look at just sort of where
like for his case for example, So he's going to
be getting a lot more burn time as you call it,
next year as a player because the six year seniors
are leaving. And then I believe that he mentioned last
night that there was a seven year guy on the team,
(06:36):
and I'm thinking to myself, wait, what like like you
just like Tyler Shuck? I think I have this, Like
I think Tyler Shuck. Was he a teammate with Justin
Herbert at Oregon?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I think he was.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I think he played seven years. He's really two way
six now. Yeah, it's like, so what did this?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Is this just the COVID year just through everything for
a loop? Is is that where we're at now?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
That was part of it.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
But I think even with NIL once it was made
legal state by state, what's happened now is there's money involved,
and all of these players, it could be their families,
their agents, they're all trying to exhaust all efforts at
earning whatever they can while they can. And it's hard
for me to look back at that and criticize it
(07:25):
because I think most people will do the same thing
too if you're in that position. And it's always funny
to me when you hear critics and people who comment
against this and say, well, why are they doing that?
Why can't they just move on? It's like, well, if
you were getting potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars to come,
you know, have your son play, or you know daughter
for that matter, maybe in some other sports, like you
would exhaust all efforts too. So as much as we
(07:48):
would criticize it, this is a model that was essentially
made by the NCAA out of negligence, meaning they wanted
to keep denying the fact that this is where the
sport was going at in every sport, whether it's college basketball,
you know, football, whatever you want to talk about, this
is where it was going and everyone wanted to turn
a blind eye to it. And now we find ourselves
(08:10):
in this position where I think in men's college basketball
it's never been worse. There has never been a more confusing,
crazy time in men's college basketball than right now, where
you've got legitimate, you know, amateur athletes, guys coming from
the high school level up who are now competing with
pros essentially that couldn't.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Make it in the NBA or maybe are getting paid more.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Now to come over from foreign professional leagues to playing
the men's college basketball.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
And the thing that's crazy to me too, if we
want to make a parallel to just college football. Right now,
everyone loves March Madness, at least maybe besides maybe not
Joel Klatt, based on some of his comments about looking
to send a relatives that's his words, not Mineel Merry Christmas.
But everyone, maybe besides Joel loves March Madness and loves
(09:05):
the potential of Cinderell stories. What I used to love though,
is like knowing the players on the team, and nowadays
you have no clue. There's it's so transient. There's so
much movement. There's guys who are there for one year.
There's guys who are you know, on different teams three
years in a row, all making their March Madness, you know,
debut with a different team each year. It's actually completely
(09:26):
taken away from the experience of it. Yes, you have
some crazy finishes and you've got your you know, sixteen
seed challenging a number one seed, and that's exciting and
I'm part of it. That's added a level of parody
to the game, but it's also taken away from you know,
being able for I think these tournaments and these teams
and these brands to be well known, I mean part
(09:47):
of the history of like Duke North Carolina. Are some
of the players who played through multiple years of that
matchup against one another. Yeah, And it's just tough now
to kind of look back on, you know, even some
of these the runs that some of those teams would
have in Arch madness that they're not there anymore.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's hard to have that consistent success.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And maybe you say, well, that's good because it creates
an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
For other teams.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
But is it, like, is this a world where we're
excited about college sports and what it's brought. It feels
like the conversation now is like leveled with what we're
seeing on the court, on the field, with what's.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Happening off of it.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
And I never feel like that's a good thing for
the sport as soon as the conversation around the sport
starts being more about everything other than the sport itself.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
And I think that the NBA is battling this right now.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
You've completely lost You've completely lost your sport.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
By the way, you mentioned the Duke North Carolina rivalry
and all those players that went through all those years
of the rivalry, Like, how about the fact and I
know you know this and we're going to talk with
Petros Papadakis coming up here shortly, but how about the
fact that there's going to be guys that attend USC
and Notre Dame who never know that rivalry, Like, like,
(11:01):
there's gonna be a gap of players who never took
part in that rivalry.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
It's kind of wild.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
It's a shame, And I understand from the Southern cal perspective,
but this would this would.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Be my argument, I think out there and.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
A lot of people be like, oh, you're biased or
you're not objective because you went to Notre Dame. We
played Look I did, and I but I lost SC
in every one of those matchups and then playing against
them in the greatest area or excuse me era of
SC football. I think that's fair to say, and it's
probably factual at least during that time period where they
won back to back national championships, played for a third,
(11:40):
and they were in contention for it even my senior
year when we went out there. If they didn't I
think drop a game, what is the UCLA Maybe whoever
they dropped the game to at some point, you know
that season that caused you know, Florida.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
To go instead of SC.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
But I would I would go back and play those
games and aperient sent all over again, even if you
know again that was the challenge of playing against the
number one team in the country every single one of
those years and knowing that, like our program wasn't built
back up to that extent anymore, because that was part
of the reason why you went to Notre Dame. It
was for the Notre Dame SC game. It was for
(12:18):
a lot of those rivers that you played for. And
I think the tough thing for me with this entire
conversation around this rivalry that has existed since what nineteen
twenty six. I mean we've missed because of a World
War in COVID. That's the only two times the conversation
about this rivalry not being renewed. It didn't start with
Notre Dame. It started with Southern count I started with
(12:38):
Lincoln Riley. He was the first person that introduced this.
And what's interesting about that is he had two years
in the PAC twelve before that got dismantled, or at
least I should say transformed to.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
What it is today, where he didn't win the.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Conference, you know, they struggled to beat Notre Dame and
so there was really no excuses. But I think when
they moved into the Big Ten, they realized like, oh,
we actually have to play an even tougher schedule now,
and because of that, they viewed this game as too
big of a big of a challenge.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
What's crazy to me, though, is like Pete Carroll.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Would have never ducked this game, never, And you've got
a head coach now that's willing to that's willing to
throw out history, throw out tradition, and he's been enabled
by their athletic director in Jen Cohen, who should be
able to stand up and say like, this is part
of the deal. When you took the job, you knew
you were going to play them every single year. That's
(13:35):
part of the deal. It's part of the job. Marcus
Freeman took it knowing that Brian Kelly took it knowing
that that's part of one of those games you get
fired up for. But because of SC's decision to then
leave the Pac twelve, which altimately led to its crumbling,
join the Big Ten, and because of their lack of
(13:56):
success and ability to compete we now have a rival
that go away because what's changed for Notre Dame in
that time absolutely nothing that changed head coaches, athletic director's presidents.
There was never a point time where Notre Dame asked
to be out of this rivalry, even during my era
where we went to a couple back to back BCS
games where we could be competitive, but not to the
(14:17):
lengths of the team that was number one in the country.
Never and we've still remained independent, which a lot of
people hold against Notre Dame for that, you know, for
why we've done it, and I don't explain this to you.
I mean, there's a deep history to this. It's deeply
rooted in Notre Dame's Catholicism and the way you know,
Catholics at one point in time this country were persecuted.
(14:38):
And why Notre Dame became this national brand. It wasn't
because of you know, necessarily just because of marketing and
New Rockney.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
It had a lot to do.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
With the fact that there were teams that didn't want
to let us in the Western Conference, which became the
Big Ten, because of their Catholic roots.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
So Notre Dame went out traveling amongst.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
The country to play whoever they could play, and then
became this national brand that was born from that. So
when people ask you to join a conference, maybe they
just don't really understand the roots and the deep ti
there is to Catholicism and why that matters for everyone
who's been a part of Notre Dame since then. But
(15:14):
I digress because it's not about that.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
To me.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
It's about sc and it's about them not having any
success in this series of late making the decision to
join a conference now that they're having a hard time
competing in and then not having a head coach and
an athletic director that can stand up and say, you
know what, like, we're gonna keep doing this because we're
gonna get this right, because we believe that it will
eventually get back on top of that mountain. And you
can blame Notre Dame for saying like, well, obviously they
(15:37):
didn't concede that to SE. Which think about that matchup
in general, Jonas, they never played in the cold months
in South Bend.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
They play in October.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
It's not like they're forcing SE to have to play
in inclement weather like in the end of the season.
They're playing in October there's still plenty of football left
to be played, and then Southern cal gets to host
at the end of the season at their place, which
plays all to their advantage in that regard. So even
the way it's scheduled as it was, it was never
playing to the advantage of Notre Dame. It was never
(16:12):
forcing them to come play in inclement, whether at some
point in November in South Bend, it's always played to
Sea's advantage.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, the whole.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Thing is just it's sad.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
And then the other thing is, at least you have
people like Keishawn Johnson, you know, Patrick's we're gonna talk
to you here in a minute, coming out and then
calling them on it. And then you have guys like
Matt Leiner lukoh, you know, I believe it's like, come on, dude,
and I don't have this argument with Matt, like on
the phone through whatever, Like it's Christmas, so I'm not
going to do that. But it's sad for someone who
had so much success in the series, for someone who's
(16:45):
been like you know him and whoever else you want
to talk about who's been in the history of se
some of the greatest players.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
The fact that you're not calling this out. It's crazy
to me.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Every SC player should, I would hope, unless they're just
scared of them, because that's really.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
What it comes down to.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
You mentioned success feeding off the success of our college
basketball bracket challenge do we do each March? We decided,
you know what, let's do a bracket challenge for the
college football playoff.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
That's right, baby.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
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(17:57):
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Speaker 3 (18:24):
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Speaker 2 (18:29):
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What you don't interrupting our promo?
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You took those clips totally of context.
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Speaker 2 (18:53):
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here on FSR, coming up in about twenty minutes from now,
a little over twenty minutes from now, we're going to
continue the NFL conversation here. With a busy weekend, a
lot of things could be changing as far as the
(19:14):
NFL playoff picture goes coming up here this upcoming weekend.
But right now, things are going to change, and that's
the mood that's.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Going to change.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Because he's the one and only Petros Papadakis. He is
the co host of the Petros and Money Show, which
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him on X at the Old p Petros. Good morning,
Happy belated Christmas.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
Oh hello, Merry Christmas. Just happy New Year to everybody.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
We were what what's so funny?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
What's that fun.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Okay, it's always funny because you and I were texting
each other.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Was it Christmas Eve?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I think it was Christmas Eve? It was late because
of a lot of the news that came out.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Oh yeah, Christmas Eve.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Yeah, it's Christmas even instead of like you know, which
we eventually shared wishes for the holiday, but we were
both texting back and forth just about the decision where
Notre Dame and SC will no longer play until earliest
twenty thirty. And obviously you had your thoughts about it,
which I was like, you know what, we'll just talk
about a Friday. Let's let's try to enjoy the holiday
(20:23):
before we let it Ruin a portion.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Of this, you actually booked me on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I believe for this.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Okay, So here I am Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
All right, So let's let's get right into it now
that the dust is settled and the decision has been
made in twenty thirty, I guess is the earliest.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
At the note, there's no guarantee of that.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, where does it land with you? I obviously was
listening to you and Matt money Smith talk about it
on your show throughout the course of the week. I
think you used the word that you were disgusted by
the whole thing. Are you surprised that it ended up
in this spoty?
Speaker 9 (21:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Yeah, I thought, I to me, and this goes on
Notre Dame too to a certain degree. Either they didn't
start this, but to me, if you're the athletic director
at Notre Dame and you're the athletic director at USC.
And right now USC doesn't have a university president, and
(21:25):
leadership is corroded to the point where we're here.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
But if this.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
Is your job as a leadership position at the universities,
it's your job to preserve this, even if they're being annoying,
even if they won't give you this concession or that concession,
it's your job to make sure the rivalry continues. You
don't want to be the person that ended a centuries
(21:51):
old rivalry. You don't want to be the administration that
caused this kind of discord. And instead they used proxies
in the media and use social media and use all
kinds of petty tactics to go back and forth and say, well,
(22:11):
you didn't tell us about this and this college football
playoff report and this and that.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
None of that means anything.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
The bottom line is it was your job to preserve
this and your job to understand it and how important
it is. And the truth is, ever since Lincoln Riley
got the USC job, he has tried to wriggle out
of games that were non conference that were difficult. Last year,
(22:38):
Remember how bad they tried to get out of the
LSU game that they ended up winning that they played
in Las Vegas at the beginning of the twenty twenty
four season.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
You tried to get out of that.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
He's always commenting on how early the kick is, how
late the kick is if it's a Friday kick, how
long they have to prepare. This guy is preoccupied with
making sure they have winnable games all the time. That's
not what the USC coach is supposed to be. Maybe
leadership at US is corroda to the point where it is,
(23:12):
But to me, the bar is very high at USC.
And if you can't if you can't handle that before
you even coach one game there, and he was talking
about the Notre Dame rivalry before he even coached a game,
then he should not be there either. It is a travesty.
I don't want to hear about now that USC is
(23:32):
in the Big ten.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Blah blah blah. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Anybody that's ever played against Notre Dame for USC, or
USSE for Notre Dame against USC for Notre Dame knows
how special it is. It's what legitimizes the rivalry. It's
what or USC and college football. It's what legitimizes the
fact that USC is even better and more shining historic
(23:59):
destiny nation on the West coast in Oregon or Washington
or anybody else, Ucla, Stanford cal because they played Notre
Dame every year for one hundred years, and that is
it's part of our identity. If you played at USC,
it's what makes it cool and vice versa. So yes,
I'm disgusted, and to me, it.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
USC should just get rid of every tradition they have
ever had and go with whatever's popular. Get rid of
the Trojan mascot and make it what is a French
bulldog is very popular these days, so they could be
the French bulldogs. Put names on the back of the uniforms.
Let everybody wear the stupid pink and purply shoes, do
(24:44):
the alternate uniforms. Now, just forget it, because it's honestly,
and I'm not saying this to be hyperbolic, it's over.
This is an abortion of everything that college football is
supposed to be. I know that a lot of it
has slipped through our fingers in the last ten years,
(25:05):
but USC Notre Dame was supposed to transcend that because
there's no conferences involved. I don't care if Notre Dame's
not in a conference. I don't care who else is
on Notre Dame schedule. I don't care whatever year circumstances,
whether Notre Dame needs USC more or USC needs Notre
(25:27):
Dame more. These are the stupidest arguments I've ever heard.
There's nobody at USC to trust leadership wise. It's corroded
to that level. And the fact that they've let this
happen is exactly like I described a.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Couple of days ago. I'm discussed.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I hope they don't do away with this new tradition
i'm seeing of them announcing the players signing back. I mean,
it's like I always felt like SC was one of
those places where you're not going anywhere else. You're either
going to the pros or you'll be there. I didn't
know they needed to announce that more attention. Yes, Yes,
it's been an interesting trend.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I can't wait to see go away hopefully.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I do want to talk about this from the Notre
Dame perspective of things, because I'm not saying that they're
blameless in this instance, although.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
They're not, because they let part of this happen that
they didn't start this and I don't, you know, I'll
understand whatever they're in their nuances are, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Well, my understanding is that they tried to play this.
They tried to do it earlier in this season, and
they wanted to continue to keep doing it as a
home and home but it seemed like sc was and
for whatever reason. I mean, I'm more curious to your
perspective on this, Like, if you're NBC, you've got to
be pretty ticked off right now because you're, you know,
one of the Big ten partners and you've got one
(26:43):
of the biggest brands, I mean arguably one that you're
going to be putting in your primetime slot on the
Big ten schedule probably often. And they're going behind your
back with Netflix to try to play a neutral site
game in Las Vegas or Mexico City.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
And it's like that who usc notre dame to me?
I mean, no, it's not so.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
I wonder when they should have never tried to change
the placement of where it is on the schedule. I
know that changed a little bit after a couple decades
after the rivalry started, it got moved to a little
bit earlier in October as opposed to a November November thing.
But that's the only time I ever moved. I don't
think that was necessary. I think that was stupid, and
(27:27):
I understand why Notre Dame did what they did. They
got tired of dealing with SC and it became a
relatively public negotiation and everybody's pointing fingers. Now, none of
this should have ever happened, and it started with Lincoln Riley.
And there's nobody at USC strong enough to say, who
the hell are you Lincoln Riley, to tell us we
(27:49):
can't do this or we can't have this. You won't
even be at USC in twenty thirty. So that's what
really drives me crazy. No, it should never have been
a neutral sit game where they play at the Atlantis
or some stupid ass thing like that. And it should
have never been a game in September. That's not what
USC Notre Dame is all about. Again, this is an
(28:10):
abortion of tradition, an abortion of history.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
It is absolute and total proof.
Speaker 8 (28:16):
To me that we've completely lost the thread of college football.
And I know it's been crazy the last few years,
and there's been a lot of riding on the Wall.
I never thought it would go this far, and I'm
really disappointed.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
If they don't make the playoff, now, then what's the conversation,
because this is all about what's going to increase their
chance as USC that is of making the playoff.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Just think about the logic there.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
You know, we're not going to do something that identifies
us as USC football, so we can maybe make a
college football playoff, which I would think that I.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Would think that would strengthen your case if you could
beat Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Maybe that's just me.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
That's the thing.
Speaker 8 (29:00):
It's like year and in year out, you never really
know if you need it or not. And it's just
not USC football to schedule Arkansas State and Missouri State
and Georgia Southern. I mean, yes, every once in a while,
but to sit here and play those teams as your
non con and that's what Lincoln Riley wants to do.
That's clearly the model. I mean, I remember Pete Carroll,
(29:24):
they played Kansas State, they'd go to Virginia. They filled
their non conference, they went Nebraska, Ohio State. They and
there was an even slimmer chance of playing in the
postseason for the national championship. But they went and did
it anyway, because that's supposed to be the mentality of
(29:44):
USC football. You play the best, you beat the best,
you move on to the next week. That's how it's
supposed to be when it works. But it hasn't worked
in decades. And if they make the playoff, great, it
doesn't matter. You've lost your whole identity. I don't care
if they make the playoff, and what is the playoff.
There's gonna be twenty teams in the playoff in a
(30:04):
couple of years. So to me, it's I mean, it's
like cutting off your arm because there's a cool sleeveless
jacket that's on the market.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
It's God, I've always wanted a best you know what
I mean.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
It's just it just to me, I don't know how
I'm gonna go forward and even talk about USC football
because to me, they just get rid of the band
and get a DJ and start playing at Bemo Stadium
and change the colors till whatever is really really cool
right now, like a like a neon pink and blue.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Just forget it. It's over.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Yeah, it's at least good to hear fight on French Voldo.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
It's good to hear former SC players like yourself, Keishawn Johnson.
There's been some others who seem disappointed by this, but
there's also some others who don't.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
They seem to be okay.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
With yes, supporting the decisions by Lincoln Riley and Jen
Cohen and those that be SC.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Those are the ones that are inside the building with
Lincoln Riley and Jen Cohen like those are the ones.
The few very visible USC people that are into this
are people that get paid by USC. It's that simple.
There are people on the inside that don't want to
lose their access to one of their revenue streams, and
(31:26):
they don't have the courage to step outside it and say, look,
it's this rivalry that made me famous. It's this rivalry
that created all the stupid stuff that I do now.
So it's just simply cowardice to me. And I know
that I don't have any friends over there, and I
haven't had any friends over there for a long time,
(31:47):
and it's partially because of the way I've been as
far as.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Being critical or objective.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Over the years. However you want to put.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
It is beyond the pale, and anybody that's a USC
football player that played against Notre Dame and played in
the USC Notre Dame rivalry, took the field at South Bend,
stuff like that, and they can turn around and say
this is for the best because USC has to go
to Nebraska in October now or whatever. I'm sure it's
(32:21):
pretty hard for those people to look in the mirror.
It would be hard for me. Let's just put it
like that, and look, I have a relationship with the
USC athletic director and people like that. I don't dislike her,
I respect her. I thought she did a great job
at Washington. And there's a sad irony for me because
(32:43):
for a long time I said USC needs new blood.
USC needs a real athletic director who's a real administrator
that can make real decisions. And USC needs a covenant
head coach from outside of the Trojan family. They don't
need to keep hiring people on the inside so they
can keep control of their program, like Clay Helton and
(33:04):
stuff like that. And it's a sad irony that USC
got an athletic director that other people would have hired.
They got a head coach that other people would have hired,
which was not the case with.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Clay Helton and.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
Those two people guide them out of the Notre Dame rivalry.
So I mean, I feel kind of stupid forever endorsing
them in the first place. I thought it was going
to be glorious when Lincoln Riley was hired, and it's
been the opposite. He's been almost exactly the same performance
wise as Clay Helton, so for a lot more money
and a buyout that they can't afford, and the athletic
(33:40):
director probably would have fired him if it wasn't for that.
But now they're in lockstep on this Notre Dame thing,
and it's sad. I should have never endorsed either of
them in the first place. And as far as people
that are around USC that are for this, they're compromised
by their work and their relationship with the university.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
And that's fine. Everybody makes their own decisions.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
But I would I would look hard at what the
Notre Dame rivalry did for those people and then wonder
why those people don't want to afford that opportunity to
USC and Notre Dame players in the future.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
That's kind of sad and feels kind of hypocritical.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, that's a great point, petros.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
I didn't want to ask you. We're talking about Matt Liiner.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I do.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
I don't want to see like a bitch not saying
his name. I mean, I know right now he's doing
that weird elbow thing to put his credit card on
the stuff from the commercial with Lady.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Oh Man, oh boy.
Speaker 8 (34:40):
I mean, look, you know, I mean, did I seriously
have to watch Brady and Matt and HD every single
freaking year for the last twenty years sit in a
theater and talk about the Bush push, only for Matt
Liner to show up on social media and endorse ending
the Notre Dame rivalry. Like am I living in Tunetown
(35:02):
and Disneyland. This is the stupidest thing I've ever like.
I don't expect, you know, the Paradise loss to come
out of Matt Leiner's Twitter, But my god.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah, I mean you could also make the case that
game helps Reggie Bush win the Heisman.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
Dude, Notre Dame us. He defines Notre Dame in USC
that year. Every year, every player, whether whether it's nationally remembered,
we remember it. The guys that played. I mean, don't
get me started. Go ahead with your question.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
It just no, none of it makes any sense, and
we kind of made the point earlier this week in
that it's almost like.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
It makes sense if you start from the premise that
Lincoln Riley doesn't want to play. He doesn't want to
play games they might lose if you really peel back.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
The layers of Lincoln Riley in general, I mean, he
didn't want to go to LSU. He chose SCU over
LSU because I think he knew would be an easier path.
He wasn't going to stay at Oklahoma because he didn't
think that they would have a chance to compete in
the SEC. This isn't pretty clear time he's ducked like
challenges or that adversity that comes with it.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
Yeah, it started with him, you know. So the fact
that this started with him and then people are like, well,
Notre Durham said we worked on it, It's like, no, no, no,
this started with Lincoln Riley. The athletic director wasn't powerful
enough to stop him. There's no president of the university
right now. They don't have one. Leadership is corroded at
USC to the point where this could happen. This is
(36:30):
on Lincoln Riley, and it's a disgusting, terrible thing. And
anybody that thinks it's not is a slave to the
moment in college football, and they'll be changing their opinion
rapidly every couple weeks because that's what that's why we
have such a problem in college football.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
But we have a lot of problems in college football.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
But one of the biggest problems is look at the
committee for the College Football Playoff, which is just owned
and operated and controlled by ESPN, which I guess is
fine because they pay the whole thing anyway, But the
committee has football people on it, like coach Alt and
Mozelle from the Sports Illustrated, a long time very respected
(37:13):
media guy, Wesley Walls I think is on there or something.
I mean, Mike Riley, my old offensive coordinator. Those guys
are fine when you put ads on there. Now you're
putting politicians on there, and what a politicians do? They
have no backbone and they sway with public opinion. And
(37:34):
if that's your case in college football right now, it's
like what are you standing on You're standing on jello.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
You have to have some kind of foundation, and we've.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
Completely lost that through the TV networks control of the sport.
And I understand a lot of money being made. I
understood the move from the Big from the PAC twelve
to the Big ten, and the collapse of the Packed
ten as we knew it, and then Packed twelve, which
is a conference that I loved. I understood that and
(38:04):
to a certain degree defended it because I saw how
poorly the PAC twelve was run over the years. What
I'm saying is, I'm a pragmatist. I'm not just some
crazy old man on a hill screaming and yelling in
a robe and with a staff.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
I am.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
I am aware of the modern movings of college football,
but to me, this is beyond the pale. And there's
a lot of signs, like you guys have just pointed out, Brady,
there's a lot of signs as to why or how
this was happening. But it starts with Lincoln Riley not
wanting to play. And that's the bottom line. And you
(38:40):
can look at it any which way, and that's really
where it started and that's where it ended up. And
it's very difficult to accept.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Get him on X at the old p he is
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which you can hear on the blowtorch A five seventy
LA Sports Fox College football analysts and our goodbye petros.
We appreciate it and we'll talk to you hopefully next week.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Happy to know your brother. Happy New Year to you guys.
Speaker 8 (39:06):
I'm gonna go get a credit card machine and try
to that arm thing that liner.
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He's Brady Quinn. I'm Jonas Knox in for Dan and
the guys. Coming up top of next hour about fifteen
minutes from now. Somebody's ruined one of the great traditions
in all of sportsoute disgusting. We'll get into that for
you right here on f s R. But right now
it's time for something we do on our show, Two
(40:07):
Pros and a Cup of Joe with myself, Brady Quinn
and LeVar Arrington. It's another edition of In Case You
missed It, and it starts now.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
Sometimes sometimes you can't get to everything in the world
of sports or entertainment. Good thing the guys are here
to bring you in.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Case you missed it, and for that we turned it
over to our executive producer, the one and only Patrick Sweek.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Patty speaks, what up, Brady?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
What up? What's up?
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
It's supposed to be an airport horns?
Speaker 9 (40:49):
That's my version of an air horn. It's not great,
but you know what, Thank you. Let's go well. In
case you missed it, I missed you, guys. It was
a lovely Christmas. But you know what, we're back in business. Everybody,
we're here.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
By the way, can I just say this, yes, Patrick's
mom how like how long does she like take to
like she just bakes all day like during the holidays.
Speaker 9 (41:15):
In particular, it was three days Friday, she ended Sunday, afternoon.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Unbelievable, Like, oh no, she just home homebrewed.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Man, you gotta start selling, like to like start selling
tins of goodies. I'm telling like, she put together stuff.
And my wife was like, who made these? And I
was about to lie and say I did, but she
would have seen right through because I can't. And I
just said, yeah, Patrick, our producer, he like his mom bakes,
And she said this is unbelievable. I was like, yeah,
(41:47):
everything's good, creative, Like you're missing an opportunity there to
make a little cash point that.
Speaker 9 (41:53):
Out shout out to my mom's I know you listen
around now, just mamma, you good?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
You good moment?
Speaker 9 (41:59):
What up mama? Well, in case you missed it, guys,
speaking of ill again, a little fire here. JJ Reddick,
a coach of the Lakers after their recent loss yesterday,
was oh so not very happy at his team.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
In fact, I.
Speaker 9 (42:16):
Actually have a sound to play coming up here. Here's
what a coach Reddick had to say.
Speaker 10 (42:20):
I've been a good basketball team, and we haven't. We're
a terrible basketball team. And tonight we were a terrible
basketball team. And that started legitimately right away. We don't
care enough to do the things that are necessary. We
don't care enough to be a professional. It's you know,
we had it, it can change like that.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
We don't have it right now.
Speaker 10 (42:38):
What I said the other night, it's a matter of
making the choice, and too often we have guys that
don't want to make that choice. And it's pretty consistent
who those guys are. And so Saturday practice, I told
the guys it's going to be uncomfortable. The meeting is
going to be uncomfortable. I'm not doing another fifty three
games like this.
Speaker 9 (42:58):
Scathing from coach Redick here.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Good for him? Also, why did you take the gig?
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Dudes?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Like he could?
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Like he was great in the media, He was a
great as a broadcaster, he had his podcast, he had
all those other opportunities, and he chose to be miserable
as the coach of the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
It's one of those jobs, though, because if you get
offered it, can you turn it down?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
If you got options? Yeah, Like, I I don't know.
I just think he if he was awful, like if
it just wasn't working, and you know as a broadcaster,
he was flaming out and then there was an opportunity
to go, you know, be a head coach somewhere.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Oh yeah, that would make sense. But he was great
at that and.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
He just seems like he's miserable a lot of the
times as a coach of the leaders. I mean, but
at least Luca got skinny this year, so there is that.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Well, I guess I'll ask this, did he confuse the
relationship that he had with Lebron and maybe even like
when he was stepping into this role, who would ultimately
be in control of the roster and the decisions, because
I don't know, it feels like ever since that he's
stepped into this role, the relationship with with Lebron has
(44:11):
been somewhat fractured. Alwa's not what it used to be.
And then it feels like he's just a figurehead more
than anything else.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, I think he wants you know, he's looking for
better defensive effort. And it's like like, but that's not
Luca's game, Like it never has been, Like, that's not
Lebron's game anymore. Like if you watch Lebron, like he's
out there just kind of kind of good and look,
he's been in the league one hundred and five years,
Like I get it, but it's like he's looking for
better defensive efforts. That's not their game. And so I
(44:42):
don't know how why anybody should be surprised by this,
but you know, it's a Lakers and I feel like
we hit our quota in covering the Lakers here, you know,
to finish up the calendar year.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
So that's that's always important. What else we got, Patty?
All right?
Speaker 9 (44:55):
So Christmas gift for the Steelers on the eve of Christmas?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
You guys?
Speaker 8 (45:00):
Ask?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Well?
Speaker 5 (45:01):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Watt is back, Hey, he was practicing. Hey, after the injury,
let's go look at can we.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Get some details in the lung injury? How does that happen?
You know?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Nothing, like, hey, just very care your run of the
mill holiday SHIV by a member of the training staff
right before you get ready for Christmas?
Speaker 1 (45:19):
You know, just nothing.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I'm telling you, man, Nothing about that entire story has
made sense from the get go, even the explanation afterwards,
Like you're trying to explain dry needling and how nearly
impossible that is. And you've got like some doctors that
are saying, oh no, no, it's possible, could happen. And
doctor David Chow's on social media being like you'd have
to work really hard to collapse somebody's lung using those
(45:46):
those little needles, like they're just really fine, like even
like thinner than sewing needles, and somehow has lung got collapsed.
Mike Tomlin doesn't have any answers, doesn't know what it's like.
It feels like we have not heard the end of
this and there's gonna be I'm sort of a conversation.
I don't know if there's a legal impact to it all,
but none of it has made.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
Sense, this whole thing.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
I mean, there'll definitely be a workman's calm claim at
the minimum, But I mean, I've had dry needling done before,
and I've had like issues with ribs cartilage and the
rib and all that, and I've had injections right like
usually they did numb it up before games to give
me a shot a novacane, so.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Locally you couldn't feel anything.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
And it's odd to me that Again, I understand mistakes happen,
but through dry needling, I just it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I don't even know them. Again, I'm not any expert
in this.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
I've never heard of a player getting dry needling in
that area.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, like what is the like, what's the Is it
just to relieve pressure like the dry needling is.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
To do what?
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Oh god, I don't know if we have enough time
to go through that.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
But I mean there's some people who talk about like
the meridian system, like your body's like electrical kind of
charge and energy. There's who talk from it from like
an acupuncture standpoint like that way. There's other people who
feel like it helps, you know, bring like recovery cells
and from like a cellular standpoint.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Locally to that area. I don't think that's that's a
warm hole you want to jump down.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
But but collapsing of the lung is not part of
the is not part of the conversation when it comes
to dry needly like they just it just feels, it
feels odd. What else we got, Patty Oh?
Speaker 9 (47:25):
With that said, uh, we're still gonna stay with the NFL.
So Dak Prescott and the Cowboys played yesterday on Christmas.
Dak Prescott says he's still gonna play for the final game,
and he actually said why he's gonna play with no
playoffs pride. He says he's never been He's never been,
you know, missing the playoffser you know, under five hundred
(47:46):
and all that stuff. He says, this is the first
for him.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
He's just gonna play for pride.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I I love how like this.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Is being we act like he's not being paid.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
There's also that hey, like you can't just like sit
out where you're being paid fifty million a year.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Hey what a guy?
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I understand, but what is he supposed to not play? Like, no, listen,
you know what, let them have it. You know, we're
out of it. Like there's nothing like, what does he
what does he get? Are they trying to keep him
healthy for a game next week? Like, no, of course
he's gonna play. I don't understand why this is even
a topic of conversation, but I think the NBA has
kind of soiled it for everybody to where now when
(48:29):
players do participate in games, you're like, man, what a teammate?
Speaker 1 (48:33):
What a player
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The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.