December 31, 2025 • 43 mins
Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, & LaVar Arrington, fill in for the Dan Patrick Show as they talk about the College Football Playoffs and a lot of these college teams playing in bowl games pondering whether opting out is the best option. Plus, the guys continue their talks on these bowl games, give a NFL HOF edition of ICYMI, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas knocks with you in for
the Dan Patrick Show on this New Year's Eve edition,
and we are talking college football. It's officially bowl season.
We're going to have another edition of Quinn's Wins, getting
you set for the college football playoffs.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We're going to talk about one.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Guy recommitting to a blue blood program like we've never
seen before. John Calipari's got some thoughts on a major
issue in the world of sports. The old Pete petrospopa
Acas is going to stop by, and we got the
usual fun stuff. It's all yours coming up next here,
Two pros and a cup of Joe in for the
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Speaker 2 (01:30):
What up sticks?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Good morning man, Good morning? How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
We are good?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
We are he's old professional today? All professional?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
What are you talking? You know more?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
You aren't. You aren't all professional. I'll tell you that.
I don't know what that means. I don't pay attention
to social media.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Got leea, what's going on on my timeline yesterday? I
don't know, bro. I felt like there was a clashing
of cultures on my very timeline.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Cultures.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, what are you talking about? Oh no, man?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
It was like it was two pros versus up on game,
and I was in the middle of it.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Here's the thing about LeVar too, Since LaVar's got a
Saturday morning show, he will try to be like, hey, whosh,
why do you go out and reach out about something?
And an interesting thing about it was he couldn't have
listened to the clip because what he said clearly meant
he didn't like. If you listen to it, it literally
answered his question in it, which is one of the
reasons why other people started to jump ontom after that.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
I get stressed out on stuff like that. I did
not I did not facilitate that. I did not instigate that.
In fact, I did not even look at it. I
just saw I put I saw you responded, I saw
he wrote something. I put popcorn on one, I put
eyes on one, and I said it was two pros
verses up on get u og and that was it.
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I was out.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
For the people that aren't familiar, we're referring to Lincoln
Riley basically putting the blame on Notre Dame for the
canceling of the Notre Dame USC rivalry. Brady responded yesterday
and then well we posted it on social media.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
There was the social media clip Brady giving his opinions
on it, and people started weighing in on it, and
one of the persons was TJ. Houch Manzada, who I
work with on the weekends for Up on Game.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
And here's the thing is, there's no disrespect that comes
with it. I think oftentimes on social media that's the
problem is we don't have the opportunity to talk to
people face to face. It all that, But when you
kind of go, I don't have a dog in the fight,
but you went away and it's like, well want to
set this one out then right, It's like the what's
the point of weig in.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
If you don't have a dog in the fight.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
And my whole thing with with this entire scenario is
a look at how much.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Traction it's gotten. This isn't like my words or anything.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
I'm just saying, that's how much this robbery is meant
to two fan bases.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
That's how much this robbery is.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Meant to college football really in sports and the history
behind it and everything else. So I've said what I've
said on it. I'm sure people are tired of hearing it,
but you don't have to look any further.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Than the last night's game.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
If you're a C fan of just disappointment and who
your head coaches and his lack of being able to deliver.
But Gil given credit for playing the game. Their raim's
not playing a ball game. They opted out. So you
can only say so much as a Notre Dame fan
in that sense. But I would just generally say this
the reaction the traction. In a way, it's kind of
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carried the bull season conversation up until these you know,
quarterfinal games now. But that's how much the robberies meant,
and that's how much it's meant to college football. So
it kind of goes to show you like, even people
who don't have a dog in the fight necessarily want
to weigh in on it because it's that big of
a subject.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Sure, but it is bullseason, and I thought last night
was really the first.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean, we've had some bowl games. I mean, the
star of the show's been the Hawaii You guys both
know that. I mean that goes unsaid.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
But last night we got Illinois, Brett Beelama getting it done.
That's a nine win Illinois team. They went on a
field goal. Then you get to the TCU USC game
which goes into overtime just you know, piss poor tackling
towards the end results in a touchdown. It just felt
like all of that was the prelude to the college
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football Playoff, which kicks off later on tonight.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Between Miami and Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
So it does feel like we're officially here. It is
bowl season, and we are off and running here getting
ready for this college football playoff.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
There you guard it up, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
As just say, I don't know how you look at
bowl seas up to this point, but I think one
of the things that we always hear throughout the course
of the year is which conference is the top of
college football? And with as many teams that are always
ranked in the top twenty five and as many teams
that make the playoff, I think there's what five from
the SEC this year. It always feels like the SEC
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does the better job of marketing their conference and putting
out this idea that they're better than the rest. And
at this current moment, the SEC's two and five in
bowl games the Big Ten six and one, their only
loss being Southern Cal last night.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Shocking.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
But this is a trend, by the way that has
been the case over the last five years, with the
exception of one year the Big Ten has been better
than the SEC in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
This is an opinion, this is factual.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
Go back to last year, the SEC was eight and
seven in bowl games and this includes the playoffs. Big
ten was eleven and six. Twenty twenty three SEC was
five and four, little tighter Big ten was six and four.
The only year the SEC in the last five years
has been better than the Big Ten was twenty twenty
two and they went seven and five in bowl games.
The year before that SEC was six and eight. Big
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ten was six and four. I mean, so you can
clearly see by just the number of teams they are
getting in between the two conferences that the SEC is
viewed and looked at as the better conference. But there's
also the element of how they've scheduled through those years,
Like next year is gonna be the first year they
have nine conference again, it's only played eight usually, so
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if you think about to get boils, if you have
to win six games, they've got four games, which we
all know how the SEC schedules in October November with
some of those FCS cupcakes and then a couple other
lighter games directional schools to get into their actual conference schedule.
I mean, so if you really think about, like up
to this point and every single year, I feel like
we do this. We look at the difference conference in
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college football, say well, what's the top conference?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Who's the best?
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Well, we won't always get the chance to play each other.
You do win bowl season, and the Big Ten has
been better than the SEC.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Yeah, I think the SEC might win the national this year.
But with that being said, it's factual information. It has
been the Big Ten that's doing better in the bowl games.
Not my words, your words, and and listen, I love
the you know, the competition of it all, the almost
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like the rivalry of it all that's being created between
the Big Ten and the SEC. But it plays out,
it plays out, and in these games that are are upcoming,
and yeah, I'm I'm super excited to be able to
watch them, uh in the friendly confines of my crib.
I got all my kids here like for the first
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time and like I don't know, like forever, like two
years or so. So yeah, I'm excited to see the games. Man,
I'll probably watch them with a with a other host
of cool people that that come through to bring the
new year in. But yeah, man, I think, uh, I
think when you you look at it, where where we
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are right now, this is as exciting a moment in
college football as as it. I mean to me. Now,
I don't know that this is factual. This is obviously opinion,
but I think the build up is because it seems
like it took forever for us to get here, like
get the game last night, it was like, yeah, I've
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just watched the game so far outside of the first
round of the playoffs, and they, you know, outside of
like what maybe one game, they were kind of as expected,
went to kind of the way that that you would
have hoped it did it, but you knew it would,
and so you know, now now we get down to business. Now,
we get down to the nitty gritty. And I feel
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like with what Nils created because I'm not just looking
at these teams anymore as Okay, you're coming in, you're
playing the game. I'm looking at how strong is your dollar?
This is like stock market game too. This isn't just okay,
how well did you recruit and how well are you coaching?
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This is how far is your dollar stretching? And that's
interesting because that's a new wrinkle on on how I'm
watching college football. So you're looking at the big spenders,
like what I mean, are they going on with the big
spenders won last year? Right? Big bank take little Bank?
They made a song about you know, well.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
I think to that point, like Texas Tech is the
one that's rumored to be the biggest spender this year.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Cody Campbell.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
They're billionaire who's kind of come to the rescue of
Texas Tech Sports, and he's been very outspoken about where
where the state of the game is at and has
talked about the things he would do to change it
to make it better to a more professionalized model. But
that's neither here nor there. The point is he's put
in so much money that I feel like when you
look at, for example, Kenny Dillingham, who decided to stay
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at Arizona State, what was one of the first things he
talked about, you know, some rich alum stroking a twenty
million dollar check because he's looking within this conference and saying,
we don't have a Cody Campbell at Arizona State, and
we can't compete if we don't have that. Give him
to certain rules were that all teams are playing under,
and that is you've got your rev share that's.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Coming from the TV distribution rights. But that's not enough.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
As long as the NCAA allows for collectives to exist,
there's always going to be imbalances. And that's where you
kind of find yourself. Where a Texas Tech team, who
I think the high watermark for Joey Maguire their head
coach during his tenures was eight wins until Cody Campbell
invested in this roster completely revamped their defensive front. You're
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going to see that tomorrow versus Oregon. Romelo Heights is
a stud off the end. David Bailey, he was the
most expensive edge rusher and the porter out of Stanford
and even the interior.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Players are really good.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
But that investment has led to them now winning the
Big twelve and getting a buy and now, you know,
being the number four team in the country with a
chance to legitimately compete for a national championship. Ohio State
the year before it was that, the year before that,
it was Michigan. You know, those were all the teams
to be rumored to be having the most only the
biggest spend. And so to your point, LeVar like, we'll
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see if it plays out where you know, they indeed
do end up winning it all. And we're gonna see
every single program set we want to win one.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Well you can buy you to put the money into it.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
You gotta put the money up.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, Yeah, And I'm okay with it. If that's what
it is. That's what it is. So let's let's let's
have it, you know, let's let's let's see, let's see
where it goes. I mean, I'm interested because Ohio State,
like you said, everybody's gotten it, so let's see if
it happens this year, it's Texas Tech to take and see.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Yeah, and I think if we're being honest with ourselves,
like going back to the conversations about the SEC and
Big Ten, like two of the SEC's wins are in
the playoff, actually the only two wins, one in which
they played it themselves Alabama versus Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
And the other one was a layup in Old miss
playing Tulane.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
So when you look at even the success that the
SEC has had so far, it's really just been the
amount of teams that have gotten in the playoff, which
is a four of them to be talked about at
this point, well who could, But.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I mean who controls the which SEC teams.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Getting to the point oh ESPN and the whole playoff,
But the general point is the illusion that we even
need to have a debate between the SEC and Big ten.
Like if you really look at it, Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, Bama,
Like those four teams are consistently in it. I don't
know that you can say any other program is as
consistently in as those four. And it's kind of those
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four really competing for at least in recent history since
the expansion playoff And what are the all for of
those schools have They have deep pockets, they have money
and and they're spending it on their rosters. You know,
you won't find one that's more expensive than Ohio State, Oregon.
You know, we talked about text tech this year that
hasn't been the past, And we'll see if it plays
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out in the playoffs. But if I had my bet,
I bet one of those four teams wins the national
Championship from seeing them up close, you know, and you
know in person, all four of.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Those teams look different.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
They've got the size that up, the speed, and they've
got you know, everything that they kind of need to
put together as far as their you know, staffs that
they've gotten in the support system.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
You know, one of those four teams is probably gonna
win it all this year.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And then we get the rematch of you know, the
two thousand and three Classic between Miami and Ohio State,
which gets the College Football Playoff kicked off later on
tonight at seven thirty Eastern time, And I know that
people look at just sort of this whole landscape of
things and they're like, well, you know, these these are.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
The bowl games and it's the playoff.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I do think Dan Lanning's point about the fact that
Texas Tech should have a home game, but they don't
have a home game. I don't know how you if
this is a product of when you get sixteen teams in,
you're gonna get you know, a bye week advantage into
a home game. But it just feels like this is
where we are. There's still some things they've got to
iron out with the whole College Football Playoff. It's going
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to look different like it did from last year to
this year and then this year probably the next year.
But it does feel like those teams yet again, Yeah,
you get that bye week, but the fact that you're
playing on a neutral site, even you're an opposing coach
is defending the team who's the higher ranked team, and
says listen man, they should this game should be played
in loveck Like the fact that we're not there doesn't
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make a lot of sense.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
As an Orange Bowl committee member, I am very I
feel very disrespected by those colleges from Deadlands. I'm not
taking that very well. So I hate to hear that,
but I understand the desire for it. I mean, they
obviously hosted a home playoff game versus James Madison, so
he knows.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
What that's like.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
And it's unfortunate for Texas Tech that, you know, they
don't get to experience that. Even though they get to
buy and they get the additional moneies that come with
that and then to go to the next round, they
don't get to feel what that feels like. And I
think if you look at where this sport is at,
where it's creeping slowly towards a professional model, we already
have a model that's in the NFL level that I
think everyone likes the playoff format and likes the fact.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
That you do get home field advantage top seeded team.
You do get home field advantage if you win your division.
There's elements to all of that. The hard part is we've.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Got a committee that's going to be deciding that, so
there's always going to be some subjectivity to it.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
There's going to be people who are.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Frustrated with the process of how they go about picking
those games in which teams make it, which teams don't.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
We're just not quite to that format.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
But I don't disagree that if you really take a
step back, look at any tournament format where there's sudden
death and you only play one game, it doesn't play
to the advantage of those teams that play the best
in the regular season.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I mean, look at college basketball.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
You don't get home core advantage in the tournament, and
outside of the opening round, that's all you get, and
then you're playing on these neutral site games. So I
understand the point he's making, but I also don't feel
like we're at a spot right now in college football
to be able to make the changes necessary to get
to the point where we've got sixteen teams playing in
it and we can start having more of those home
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playoff games.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
And we don't feel like teams don't deserve it buy.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
I don't even know, do you guys feel like a
team deserves a buy based on what they've done in
the regular season so far.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
I could see why they would structure it that way.
It just just because of the amount of teams. But
I think, you know, the playoffs are the playoffs. If
you make it into the playoffs, let's play. You know.
I get it, though, if you play well enough and
you're highly ranked, and you're rated based off of the numbers,
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I would say I don't have a problem with a
bye week. I really don't, you know, but that could
work to your advantage, but it could also work to
your disadvantage. I mean, obviously, the clear and easy is
you get healthy, you have time to prepare. You can
prepare for both teams, even though you don't know which
one you're going to play. I think there is an
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advantage to having a bye week, but I don't know
that for certain. I don't know that you have this
distinct advantage going into it, just because of the amount
of time you have off versus the time that the
other team had off.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I also think that there's in college football, there's your
condition to complain.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
It just is what it is like.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
No matter what, people are just gonna have a bitch
about something.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
And if you really want to go through the.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
List of playoff formats and other sports, I mean, look
look at the NFL.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
We talked about it a lot last year.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
The fact that the an NFC South team, whoever wins
the NFC South is going to host a playoff game
is absurd over a team, and it happened a couple
of times last year the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
We don't need seven game series to open up every round.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Like every playoff format has flaws, but in college football,
everybody harps on what there is and as opposed to, dude,
we've got a playoff like this is the this is
the best you could possibly get. You're no longer having
it voted on, you're not having split champions, you're not
having just four teams in.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
You've got teams in.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
You gave opportunities to the little guys, didn't go well
for them. But now we're here, and now you've got
name brands, and I think I think that's why I
would rather watch and enjoy what we've got, knowing it's
going to change. Last year just like it did this
past year. It's flawed, but so is every other playoff
format in sports. You can find something wrong with anything
if you wanted to.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
That's true.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
I do think it's funny that after one year we
were like up in arms of how it god that
we could wait for like two or three years to
play out of this twelve team playoff format. So we
have to keep tweaking it constantly, which we'll see where
it ends up going. I mean, I think sixteen sounds
like a good number. I hope it gets to that number,
and that way we can avoid kind of the buys
and also just the lag in between. But I do
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think if you get to sixteen and you're talking about
having more first round games, you are going to have
to change up the college football schedule a bit in
regards to when it starts and when these first round
playoff games start, adding a couple more in there. But
also just I think it takes away from the bowl season.
And I've said this before. As much as we want
to keep looking at the ball season as a reward
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for players, it's just not how it works anymore. Look
how many players were sitting out for Illinois, you know,
versus Tennessee and Tennessee for that matter. You know, look
at the situation that SE's in Danton Lynz already at
Penn State.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
He's not coaching their defense, and.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
It's their defense that ends up getting their backs broken
on a third and twenty in overtime. And now granted
that's more technique and fundamentals, not tackling, but still, you know,
you look at how that game ends, and it's defensively
the struggles in and they had a number of players
who opted out too. So I just I look at
that portion of it, and I wonder the impact of
having sixteen teams, and if we do start playing these
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games a little bit sooner, how it would impact the
rest of the bowl season. If those shouldn't be just
moved to the front of the season for neutral site
non conference games in general, I think they would survive
and probably last a lot longer if that was the case.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
I was about to say, I hate to do it
because I know you're on a committee, but I think
this college Playoff as it continues to evolve, is the
death of bowls. D I really do outside of the
bowls that exists within the playoff, which is I don't
how long will that last? You know, how long will
the bowl games that represent the playoff? How long will
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it be the Rose.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Bowl or the Cotton Bowl or what he got against
the Tony the Tiger Sun Bull's wrong.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I don't have anything, but I think what Q said
is correct. And here's what you got to think about.
You know, I know we had the big conversation about
Notre Dame opting out of playing the game altogether. But
if I have Penn State had, I believe fifteen or
so guys and most all of those guys who opted
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out are preparing for the combine in the NFL draft.
Now how many will get drafted, I don't know. But
you're talking about basically the nucleus of your team. And
while I'm okay with saying, you know, go play it.
Let the younger guys get an opportunity to play. For one,
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I don't look at those as legitimate victories for one
or legitimate losses for two. It's not as interesting. It's
just not it's not as interesting. It seems very very
I don't know, it just seems like it's an exhibition,
which obviously that is what you know, what bowl games are.
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But it just doesn't have the same type of emotional
connection to it. Like if you're watching the Orange Bowl,
you knew what it was. If you knew you know,
if you were watching the Rose Bowl, you knew that
it was going to be the pack versus the Big Ten.
You just knew what that you were going to get
a pretty interesting matchup within those bowl games. And now
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you got to ask yourself is it worth it as
a school? Is it worth it financially to do a
bowl game? And if it's not one of those big,
high end bowl games, is it worth it to do
a bowl game? Because it's going to cost to go
do it. You got to for hotel rooms, you gotta
you gotta pay for transportation, you got to do all
of these that you got to pay for food, you
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got to do all these things that bring cost and
expenses to you to your university. How much is that
as offset by the amount you're going to receive going
to the bowl game.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So the people that are putting the ball game on
aren't taking care of your travel and your your food
and all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
That's all what I'm telling you is within the expenses
of what it takes to do those games. They're paying.
You're getting paid your money, but how much overhead is
there that's going to eat into that money? And why
would you why would you do the game? Why would
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you do the game if you know you don't have
ten fifteen of your players that play. It's like you
take all of those combinations and you put them together.
I just don't why would you want to do it? Yeah? Yeah,
you know what, Notre day might have opened up Pandora's box. Man.
I did a lot of teams that come out and
be like, man, like, oh, Notre Dame had a great
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they had a great thought on that, like if we
don't make it into the playoff, like, let's just get
ready for next year.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
But here's here's the unique scenario for Notre Dame for that.
I mean, I've said this before and back in two
thousand and four when we went six and five ty
we Longham got fired. You know a lot of the
conversation from our upperclassmen back then was hey, if it's
not a BCS or playing for the national championship, obviously.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Like we don't go.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
And I and a lot of the younger guys were like, hey,
you know, we got a young group we want to
keep trying to practice. We want to keep doing this.
That was our argument, and we took a team vote. Dude,
we were sixty forty. And what I quickly realized when
we got out there was even though we had an
amazing time in Scottsdale, Arizona, like I love that place.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I think it's so much fun, it was a lot
of fun, and it wasn't.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
There was not a lot of seriousness taken to the
approach for the game.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
And that was by the players and coach and coaches.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Because the coaches were looking for new new jobs and
players were having fun at night. You know, you get
those boys outside of South Bend, Indiana, man, things things
get wild. Sommers I would I would say this. You know,
I'm not for opting out of bowl games. I think
each team has to make their own individual decision. But
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for Notre Dame, it's unique because that's all you're playing
for every year. You don't have a conference championship, you know,
you don't have those things that are set for years, goals.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
You know, now, let's get to the playoff and go
win a national championship.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
So when that's not there for you anymore, there's obviously
other things to consider, and I think.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Don't you think other teams would look at it that way?
Like if we didn't, Yes, I don't. I don't want
to like this is a nice.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Season, and I think they have That's why, you know,
Iowa State, there's others that opted out, and I granted
some of those schools had, you know, head coaching changes
and things that played a role in that. And that's
kind of again where I kind of can relate to that.
But that's why each like we shouldn't walk down on
upon the team or players for making that decision, you know,
because that became a big talking piece for a lot
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of people when I think each team's got.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Their own reason for what they're doing and why they're
doing it.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
But to your point, I do think the rest of
these Bowl games need to start thinking creativity, you know,
creatively about where can we where can we exist? You
know in the future. I think the New Year six
are fine. It's just going to be the rest that
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So do you remember how when Christian McCaffrey and Leonard
Fournette opted out of bowl games and it was like
how could they?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Like, how could you do that to your teammates? You know,
how could you?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
They're trying to get ready for the draft, and it
was just like there was all this criticism that was
levy towards them. And then you know, Notre Dame opts
out of wanting to play in a bowl game and
they got all sorts of heat about it.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
What you're too good for the bull Yes?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yes, as a matter of fact, yeah, believe it or not,
there are certain people in college sports that are better
than others like that that it is I don't want
to say beneath them, but yeah, they can get to
places and get to where they want to go and
not need everything that comes along with every other program
or every other player in the sport. And I don't
(31:35):
think that you look at And what reminds me of
this is years ago, do kind of really down year
and they decided to not partake in the NIT and
they got a lot of heat for it, and it
was like, well, what you're too good for the n IT?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, as a matter of fact, we have options, and
I feel like there's sort of a bitterness towards players
and pro who have options who are bigger than some
of these other things that are thrown on their lap
and other things that.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Are out there in the world of college sports.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
And I don't know if you guys see that as
well too, but I definitely see it. And I've never
had an issue with a player or a team deciding
what they want us to do is not in our
best interest, despite whether or not anybody likes.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
It or not.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I think that's what's a good point. Yeah, I would
just say I would say, for me, I didn't opt out.
And so there's personal personal assessments and then there's sensible assessments.
The sensible side of me says, it's your choice. You know,
if you're at the point in your career where you're
(32:45):
about to go to the pros, I mean, you think
of who is the young man that was dope linebacker
for the Notre Dame Jialn Smith plays and he plays
in the game, and Jackson's lag up or mcgahey jack
is lag up, and those are extreme those are extreme cases.
But I mean, do you want to risk being one
of the extreme cases that could alter what your future is.
(33:08):
So I look at it from that perspective and say,
if somebody wants to, you know, say listen, I'm going
to prepare for the next level. For what it's worth,
our regular season is finished, this is the bowl season.
I'm going to opt out. Like I get that.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Now.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
It's a little harder to make that determination with the
playoffs because you still have a chance to win the
national title, and that would to me not mean that
your season is over. But if it's just a regular
bowl game, you know, if it is the n i
T Tournament and you are a classic blue blood team
that generally plays in the regular tournament, I don't I
(33:47):
don't see there being an issue with it. But I do.
I do think it's cool. Like Deny, you know, Dennis
Deny Sutton. You know, he he played and he bawled
and probably butchered his name. I might have messed it
up because I got used to calling his name different,
But anyway, he balled out, balled out for Penn State
(34:08):
because I called him Deny. That's all I call him.
But behind did you try to put them all together?
Sometimes I put him in the wrong order. But anyway,
you know, but Zaye Durant opted out, you know, Zachi Wheatley,
he opted out, And I don't feel any differently about
them than I do with Dennis playing in the game.
(34:28):
So I just think it's a personal deal. Don't get to,
like you said, caught up personally into it.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Yeah, look to that point, there's individual decisions. I think
there's teams decisions too. What's interesting to me about this
where we're venturing to in college football because you point
out that about Duke, and I think that's always kind
of existed to for some of the bigger programs that
if they do have that down year, if.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
They don't go to the n I T. You know,
it's kind of you to so be it.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Like the transfer portal has changed a lot of that
because your roster turnover is so signif eficant. And I
think if you look at it from a football perspective nowadays,
I mean, if you're not a part of the college
football playoff, you're probably going to be losing a good
amount of players either to the portal, to their eligibility
being up, which maybe is in question nowadays, or you know,
(35:18):
to go into the NFL. And if that's the case,
you know, are you really putting your brand, your program
the best foot forward when you go out and play
some of these bowl games.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Probably not right.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
I mean, like, do Tennessee losing the Illinois do anything
to help their program or the perception of the SEC.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
And again I'm not saying that they shouldn't go out
there and play because it's another opportunity to go out
there and play football. It's the greatest game of the
world in my opinion, but we also act like this
isn't a business and just talking from the NNIL side
and how agents talk to these kids, Now, that's how
it's structured. Like you play your regular season, if you
play for a national championship, every single agent that's representing
these kids are going to tell you to go out
(35:57):
there and play. Now, they might be trying to leverage
what you're getting paid, get paid more if you're a
team that's part of the playoff.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
We heard about that.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
Story last year with nigo Ia Malaiava and Tennessee before
they played Ohio State, they were trying to redo the
contract get paid more. So that sort of stuff is
going on. But when you really peeled all back. You know,
it doesn't sometimes make as much sense for some of
those brands and those schools, you know, but again it's
their own individual choice. I don't have a problem with
(36:24):
a guy sitting out or even a team at this
point only because if they're going to have a lot
of moving parts with all of it, then why not
focus on what is to be that next season and everyone,
especially for teams that have guys coming back. I mean,
let's say, for example, last night Jade Mayava got hurt,
I was going to impact his ability to start the
following year. Does that make that game worth it for
(36:45):
SC especially in hindsight losing the way you did.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Probably not.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
And so I just that whole question of these exhibition games,
these additional Bowl games, than their existence, like it's gonna
come to.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
The forefront here soon. Yeah, it's kind of a I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I look at it and I go, there's a lot
of people speaking on behalf of choices being made that
have nothing to do with them. I literally have nothing
to do with them, does not impact them, does not
benefit them. Like you mentioned, Jalen smith Man, remember Jake Butt.
Jake Butt was thought to be like a really top prospect.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
In the NFL tight end. He got it. He got
his leg ripped up in a bowl game.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Like it's just like, so you want them to just
risk it so that you could, you know, seeing what
dump cheese. It's on their head like everybody else is
doing it. Why can't you do it? Okay, Well, I
don't know because I've got to fifty.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
That's the reality.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
And if you really peel back that, the business model
is most of these ball games, these exhibition ball games,
are owned by ESPN.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
If there was forty of them, about half. I think
they sold off some of them.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
Then some are obviously owned by others, but when you
really look at it, most of them are owned by ESPN,
so it's kind of their own creation. It's part of
their business model for this time of year because the
ratings for these bull games are typically higher.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Than many of these teams usually you.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
Know face like I guarantee you Coastal Carolina and Louis
Gonna Tech yesterday probably rated higher than any of their
other games this season because it was on in a
spot where it was a standalone nothing's up against him,
and people are dying for some sort of sports. There's
gambos who want to bet. So that's all part of
you know, their model to make money off it. So
there's no one gets more upset about it than ESPN
(38:27):
when a team opts out there not part of their
you know, postseason business model. But does it make sense
for anyone else you know that that's involved in the process,
the coaches, the players, maybe not. I mean again, like
this is not a part of them getting paid additionally,
And that's a conversation we have.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
To start having that.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
That's the big conversation, you.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Know, like like we're not getting like bowl game bonuses
for these players if they get in the playoff. Maybe
is structured in there, but like we're not to that
point yet. We don't have a CBA for the players.
There's not a union that's you know, collected collectively bargaining
against whatever power structure is created.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
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I mean, all those dudes will probably get in. I
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There's five, right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
So I get I get hit up by a couple
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I'm looking for the messages. I'll tell you who I
gave them, who I gave them. Darren Woodson. I think
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I think it's way long overdue for Willy Anderson to
get in. And I think Luke Keigley and Frank Borer
should get in Wow, those are my five over Breeze,
I think. I mean, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
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Speaker 5 (41:58):
It won't it won't be over Breeze. But if you're
asking me the five, if if I had to replace one,
I'd say probably Luke with with Drew Brees. But I
gotta put the line.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I would say, Frank Laura, if you're going to replace
one of those, I would.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
Say, his body of work is too. It's so great though, I.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Think you should get into But if you're only picking five.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
Yeah, but his body of work, like who's done with
Frank Gore has done.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Quarterback, I think he's got a better that's fair.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
That's fair too. Yeah, that is fair. That is fair.
I mean you're listen. If it's Frank Gordon has to
go as I mean that that was my five, guys.
That that was That's what I gave you.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
That's I said my five.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
I didn't say. I didn't say it was factually back.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
That's what you didn't say five? Either said it was
your five?
Speaker 5 (42:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:44):
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to get my five? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (42:48):
I don't know what I think Keiley has to get in.
Was he an All Pro for like four five? I
mean he defensive player of there, defensive rookie. Ye, he's
got all the accolades. I know it was, you know
it wasn't long. But I don't think he was ever
worse than an eight, like a second team All.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Pro five time All Pro.
Speaker 6 (43:06):
Well, first team, he was a second team for like
the rest of them.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
If your first team All Pro one time, you've done
well in your life, You've done well in your life.
That's how hard it is to become a first team
All Pro. That's elusive.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
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Speaker 6 (43:24):
I'd say there's other definitions for doing well in life,
but yes, that is.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
You don't know that. I mean, okay, miss Notre Dame,
I went to Penn State. Relax, Relax, I'm educated.
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We are he's old professional today? All professional?
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Cultures.
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It was like it was two pros versus up on game,
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And an interesting thing about it was he couldn't have
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reasons why other people started to jump ontom after that.
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I get stressed out on stuff like that. I did
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In fact, I did not even look at it. I
just saw I put I saw you responded, I saw
he wrote something. I put popcorn on one, I put
eyes on one, and I said it was two pros
verses up on get u og and that was it.
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I was out.
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For the people that aren't familiar, we're referring to Lincoln
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There was the social media clip Brady giving his opinions
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one of the persons was TJ. Houch Manzada, who I
work with on the weekends for Up on Game.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
And here's the thing is, there's no disrespect that comes
with it. I think oftentimes on social media that's the
problem is we don't have the opportunity to talk to
people face to face. It all that, But when you
kind of go, I don't have a dog in the fight,
but you went away and it's like, well want to
set this one out then right, It's like the what's
the point of weig in.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
If you don't have a dog in the fight.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
And my whole thing with with this entire scenario is
a look at how much.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Traction it's gotten. This isn't like my words or anything.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
I'm just saying, that's how much this robbery is meant
to two fan bases.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
That's how much this robbery is.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Meant to college football really in sports and the history
behind it and everything else. So I've said what I've
said on it. I'm sure people are tired of hearing it,
but you don't have to look any further.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Than the last night's game.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
If you're a C fan of just disappointment and who
your head coaches and his lack of being able to deliver.
But Gil given credit for playing the game. Their raim's
not playing a ball game. They opted out. So you
can only say so much as a Notre Dame fan
in that sense. But I would just generally say this
the reaction the traction. In a way, it's kind of
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carried the bull season conversation up until these you know,
quarterfinal games now. But that's how much the robberies meant,
and that's how much it's meant to college football. So
it kind of goes to show you like, even people
who don't have a dog in the fight necessarily want
to weigh in on it because it's that big of
a subject.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Sure, but it is bullseason, and I thought last night
was really the first.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean, we've had some bowl games. I mean, the
star of the show's been the Hawaii You guys both
know that. I mean that goes unsaid.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
But last night we got Illinois, Brett Beelama getting it done.
That's a nine win Illinois team. They went on a
field goal. Then you get to the TCU USC game
which goes into overtime just you know, piss poor tackling
towards the end results in a touchdown. It just felt
like all of that was the prelude to the college
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football Playoff, which kicks off later on tonight.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Between Miami and Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
So it does feel like we're officially here. It is
bowl season, and we are off and running here getting
ready for this college football playoff.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
There you guard it up, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
As just say, I don't know how you look at
bowl seas up to this point, but I think one
of the things that we always hear throughout the course
of the year is which conference is the top of
college football? And with as many teams that are always
ranked in the top twenty five and as many teams
that make the playoff, I think there's what five from
the SEC this year. It always feels like the SEC
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does the better job of marketing their conference and putting
out this idea that they're better than the rest. And
at this current moment, the SEC's two and five in
bowl games the Big Ten six and one, their only
loss being Southern Cal last night.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Shocking.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
But this is a trend, by the way that has
been the case over the last five years, with the
exception of one year the Big Ten has been better
than the SEC in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
This is an opinion, this is factual.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
Go back to last year, the SEC was eight and
seven in bowl games and this includes the playoffs. Big
ten was eleven and six. Twenty twenty three SEC was
five and four, little tighter Big ten was six and four.
The only year the SEC in the last five years
has been better than the Big Ten was twenty twenty
two and they went seven and five in bowl games.
The year before that SEC was six and eight. Big
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ten was six and four. I mean, so you can
clearly see by just the number of teams they are
getting in between the two conferences that the SEC is
viewed and looked at as the better conference. But there's
also the element of how they've scheduled through those years,
Like next year is gonna be the first year they
have nine conference again, it's only played eight usually, so
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if you think about to get boils, if you have
to win six games, they've got four games, which we
all know how the SEC schedules in October November with
some of those FCS cupcakes and then a couple other
lighter games directional schools to get into their actual conference schedule.
I mean, so if you really think about, like up
to this point and every single year, I feel like
we do this. We look at the difference conference in
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college football, say well, what's the top conference?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Who's the best?
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Well, we won't always get the chance to play each other.
You do win bowl season, and the Big Ten has
been better than the SEC.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Yeah, I think the SEC might win the national this year.
But with that being said, it's factual information. It has
been the Big Ten that's doing better in the bowl games.
Not my words, your words, and and listen, I love
the you know, the competition of it all, the almost
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like the rivalry of it all that's being created between
the Big Ten and the SEC. But it plays out,
it plays out, and in these games that are are upcoming,
and yeah, I'm I'm super excited to be able to
watch them, uh in the friendly confines of my crib.
I got all my kids here like for the first
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time and like I don't know, like forever, like two
years or so. So yeah, I'm excited to see the games. Man,
I'll probably watch them with a with a other host
of cool people that that come through to bring the
new year in. But yeah, man, I think, uh, I
think when you you look at it, where where we
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are right now, this is as exciting a moment in
college football as as it. I mean to me. Now,
I don't know that this is factual. This is obviously opinion,
but I think the build up is because it seems
like it took forever for us to get here, like
get the game last night, it was like, yeah, I've
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just watched the game so far outside of the first
round of the playoffs, and they, you know, outside of
like what maybe one game, they were kind of as expected,
went to kind of the way that that you would
have hoped it did it, but you knew it would,
and so you know, now now we get down to business. Now,
we get down to the nitty gritty. And I feel
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like with what Nils created because I'm not just looking
at these teams anymore as Okay, you're coming in, you're
playing the game. I'm looking at how strong is your dollar?
This is like stock market game too. This isn't just okay,
how well did you recruit and how well are you coaching?
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This is how far is your dollar stretching? And that's
interesting because that's a new wrinkle on on how I'm
watching college football. So you're looking at the big spenders,
like what I mean, are they going on with the big
spenders won last year? Right? Big bank take little Bank?
They made a song about you know, well.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
I think to that point, like Texas Tech is the
one that's rumored to be the biggest spender this year.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Cody Campbell.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
They're billionaire who's kind of come to the rescue of
Texas Tech Sports, and he's been very outspoken about where
where the state of the game is at and has
talked about the things he would do to change it
to make it better to a more professionalized model. But
that's neither here nor there. The point is he's put
in so much money that I feel like when you
look at, for example, Kenny Dillingham, who decided to stay
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at Arizona State, what was one of the first things he
talked about, you know, some rich alum stroking a twenty
million dollar check because he's looking within this conference and saying,
we don't have a Cody Campbell at Arizona State, and
we can't compete if we don't have that. Give him
to certain rules were that all teams are playing under,
and that is you've got your rev share that's.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Coming from the TV distribution rights. But that's not enough.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
As long as the NCAA allows for collectives to exist,
there's always going to be imbalances. And that's where you
kind of find yourself. Where a Texas Tech team, who
I think the high watermark for Joey Maguire their head
coach during his tenures was eight wins until Cody Campbell
invested in this roster completely revamped their defensive front. You're
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going to see that tomorrow versus Oregon. Romelo Heights is
a stud off the end. David Bailey, he was the
most expensive edge rusher and the porter out of Stanford
and even the interior.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Players are really good.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
But that investment has led to them now winning the
Big twelve and getting a buy and now, you know,
being the number four team in the country with a
chance to legitimately compete for a national championship. Ohio State
the year before it was that, the year before that,
it was Michigan. You know, those were all the teams
to be rumored to be having the most only the
biggest spend. And so to your point, LeVar like, we'll
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see if it plays out where you know, they indeed
do end up winning it all. And we're gonna see
every single program set we want to win one.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Well you can buy you to put the money into it.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
You gotta put the money up.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, Yeah, And I'm okay with it. If that's what
it is. That's what it is. So let's let's let's
have it, you know, let's let's let's see, let's see
where it goes. I mean, I'm interested because Ohio State,
like you said, everybody's gotten it, so let's see if
it happens this year, it's Texas Tech to take and see.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Yeah, and I think if we're being honest with ourselves,
like going back to the conversations about the SEC and
Big Ten, like two of the SEC's wins are in
the playoff, actually the only two wins, one in which
they played it themselves Alabama versus Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
And the other one was a layup in Old miss
playing Tulane.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
So when you look at even the success that the
SEC has had so far, it's really just been the
amount of teams that have gotten in the playoff, which
is a four of them to be talked about at
this point, well who could, But.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I mean who controls the which SEC teams.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Getting to the point oh ESPN and the whole playoff,
But the general point is the illusion that we even
need to have a debate between the SEC and Big ten.
Like if you really look at it, Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, Bama,
Like those four teams are consistently in it. I don't
know that you can say any other program is as
consistently in as those four. And it's kind of those
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four really competing for at least in recent history since
the expansion playoff And what are the all for of
those schools have They have deep pockets, they have money
and and they're spending it on their rosters. You know,
you won't find one that's more expensive than Ohio State, Oregon.
You know, we talked about text tech this year that
hasn't been the past, And we'll see if it plays
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out in the playoffs. But if I had my bet,
I bet one of those four teams wins the national
Championship from seeing them up close, you know, and you
know in person, all four of.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Those teams look different.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
They've got the size that up, the speed, and they've
got you know, everything that they kind of need to
put together as far as their you know, staffs that
they've gotten in the support system.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
You know, one of those four teams is probably gonna
win it all this year.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And then we get the rematch of you know, the
two thousand and three Classic between Miami and Ohio State,
which gets the College Football Playoff kicked off later on
tonight at seven thirty Eastern time, And I know that
people look at just sort of this whole landscape of
things and they're like, well, you know, these these are.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
The bowl games and it's the playoff.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I do think Dan Lanning's point about the fact that
Texas Tech should have a home game, but they don't
have a home game. I don't know how you if
this is a product of when you get sixteen teams in,
you're gonna get you know, a bye week advantage into
a home game. But it just feels like this is
where we are. There's still some things they've got to
iron out with the whole College Football Playoff. It's going
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to look different like it did from last year to
this year and then this year probably the next year.
But it does feel like those teams yet again, Yeah,
you get that bye week, but the fact that you're
playing on a neutral site, even you're an opposing coach
is defending the team who's the higher ranked team, and
says listen man, they should this game should be played
in loveck Like the fact that we're not there doesn't
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make a lot of sense.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
As an Orange Bowl committee member, I am very I
feel very disrespected by those colleges from Deadlands. I'm not
taking that very well. So I hate to hear that,
but I understand the desire for it. I mean, they
obviously hosted a home playoff game versus James Madison, so
he knows.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
What that's like.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
And it's unfortunate for Texas Tech that, you know, they
don't get to experience that. Even though they get to
buy and they get the additional moneies that come with
that and then to go to the next round, they
don't get to feel what that feels like. And I
think if you look at where this sport is at,
where it's creeping slowly towards a professional model, we already
have a model that's in the NFL level that I
think everyone likes the playoff format and likes the fact.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
That you do get home field advantage top seeded team.
You do get home field advantage if you win your division.
There's elements to all of that. The hard part is we've.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Got a committee that's going to be deciding that, so
there's always going to be some subjectivity to it.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
There's going to be people who are.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Frustrated with the process of how they go about picking
those games in which teams make it, which teams don't.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
We're just not quite to that format.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
But I don't disagree that if you really take a
step back, look at any tournament format where there's sudden
death and you only play one game, it doesn't play
to the advantage of those teams that play the best
in the regular season.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I mean, look at college basketball.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
You don't get home core advantage in the tournament, and
outside of the opening round, that's all you get, and
then you're playing on these neutral site games. So I
understand the point he's making, but I also don't feel
like we're at a spot right now in college football
to be able to make the changes necessary to get
to the point where we've got sixteen teams playing in
it and we can start having more of those home
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playoff games.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
And we don't feel like teams don't deserve it buy.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
I don't even know, do you guys feel like a
team deserves a buy based on what they've done in
the regular season so far.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
I could see why they would structure it that way.
It just just because of the amount of teams. But
I think, you know, the playoffs are the playoffs. If
you make it into the playoffs, let's play. You know.
I get it, though, if you play well enough and
you're highly ranked, and you're rated based off of the numbers,
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I would say I don't have a problem with a
bye week. I really don't, you know, but that could
work to your advantage, but it could also work to
your disadvantage. I mean, obviously, the clear and easy is
you get healthy, you have time to prepare. You can
prepare for both teams, even though you don't know which
one you're going to play. I think there is an
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advantage to having a bye week, but I don't know
that for certain. I don't know that you have this
distinct advantage going into it, just because of the amount
of time you have off versus the time that the
other team had off.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I also think that there's in college football, there's your
condition to complain.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
It just is what it is like.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
No matter what, people are just gonna have a bitch
about something.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
And if you really want to go through the.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
List of playoff formats and other sports, I mean, look
look at the NFL.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
We talked about it a lot last year.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
The fact that the an NFC South team, whoever wins
the NFC South is going to host a playoff game
is absurd over a team, and it happened a couple
of times last year the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
We don't need seven game series to open up every round.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Like every playoff format has flaws, but in college football,
everybody harps on what there is and as opposed to, dude,
we've got a playoff like this is the this is
the best you could possibly get. You're no longer having
it voted on, you're not having split champions, you're not
having just four teams in.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
You've got teams in.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
You gave opportunities to the little guys, didn't go well
for them. But now we're here, and now you've got
name brands, and I think I think that's why I
would rather watch and enjoy what we've got, knowing it's
going to change. Last year just like it did this
past year. It's flawed, but so is every other playoff
format in sports. You can find something wrong with anything
if you wanted to.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
That's true.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
I do think it's funny that after one year we
were like up in arms of how it god that
we could wait for like two or three years to
play out of this twelve team playoff format. So we
have to keep tweaking it constantly, which we'll see where
it ends up going. I mean, I think sixteen sounds
like a good number. I hope it gets to that number,
and that way we can avoid kind of the buys
and also just the lag in between. But I do
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think if you get to sixteen and you're talking about
having more first round games, you are going to have
to change up the college football schedule a bit in
regards to when it starts and when these first round
playoff games start, adding a couple more in there. But
also just I think it takes away from the bowl season.
And I've said this before. As much as we want
to keep looking at the ball season as a reward
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for players, it's just not how it works anymore. Look
how many players were sitting out for Illinois, you know,
versus Tennessee and Tennessee for that matter. You know, look
at the situation that SE's in Danton Lynz already at
Penn State.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
He's not coaching their defense, and.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
It's their defense that ends up getting their backs broken
on a third and twenty in overtime. And now granted
that's more technique and fundamentals, not tackling, but still, you know,
you look at how that game ends, and it's defensively
the struggles in and they had a number of players
who opted out too. So I just I look at
that portion of it, and I wonder the impact of
having sixteen teams, and if we do start playing these
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games a little bit sooner, how it would impact the
rest of the bowl season. If those shouldn't be just
moved to the front of the season for neutral site
non conference games in general, I think they would survive
and probably last a lot longer if that was the case.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
I was about to say, I hate to do it
because I know you're on a committee, but I think
this college Playoff as it continues to evolve, is the
death of bowls. D I really do outside of the
bowls that exists within the playoff, which is I don't
how long will that last? You know, how long will
the bowl games that represent the playoff? How long will
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it be the Rose.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Bowl or the Cotton Bowl or what he got against
the Tony the Tiger Sun Bull's wrong.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I don't have anything, but I think what Q said
is correct. And here's what you got to think about.
You know, I know we had the big conversation about
Notre Dame opting out of playing the game altogether. But
if I have Penn State had, I believe fifteen or
so guys and most all of those guys who opted
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out are preparing for the combine in the NFL draft.
Now how many will get drafted, I don't know. But
you're talking about basically the nucleus of your team. And
while I'm okay with saying, you know, go play it.
Let the younger guys get an opportunity to play. For one,
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I don't look at those as legitimate victories for one
or legitimate losses for two. It's not as interesting. It's
just not it's not as interesting. It seems very very
I don't know, it just seems like it's an exhibition,
which obviously that is what you know, what bowl games are.
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But it just doesn't have the same type of emotional
connection to it. Like if you're watching the Orange Bowl,
you knew what it was. If you knew you know,
if you were watching the Rose Bowl, you knew that
it was going to be the pack versus the Big Ten.
You just knew what that you were going to get
a pretty interesting matchup within those bowl games. And now
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you got to ask yourself is it worth it as
a school? Is it worth it financially to do a
bowl game? And if it's not one of those big,
high end bowl games, is it worth it to do
a bowl game? Because it's going to cost to go
do it. You got to for hotel rooms, you gotta
you gotta pay for transportation, you got to do all
of these that you got to pay for food, you
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got to do all these things that bring cost and
expenses to you to your university. How much is that
as offset by the amount you're going to receive going
to the bowl game.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So the people that are putting the ball game on
aren't taking care of your travel and your your food
and all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
That's all what I'm telling you is within the expenses
of what it takes to do those games. They're paying.
You're getting paid your money, but how much overhead is
there that's going to eat into that money? And why
would you why would you do the game? Why would
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you do the game if you know you don't have
ten fifteen of your players that play. It's like you
take all of those combinations and you put them together.
I just don't why would you want to do it? Yeah? Yeah,
you know what, Notre day might have opened up Pandora's box. Man.
I did a lot of teams that come out and
be like, man, like, oh, Notre Dame had a great
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they had a great thought on that, like if we
don't make it into the playoff, like, let's just get
ready for next year.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
But here's here's the unique scenario for Notre Dame for that.
I mean, I've said this before and back in two
thousand and four when we went six and five ty
we Longham got fired. You know a lot of the
conversation from our upperclassmen back then was hey, if it's
not a BCS or playing for the national championship, obviously.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Like we don't go.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
And I and a lot of the younger guys were like, hey,
you know, we got a young group we want to
keep trying to practice. We want to keep doing this.
That was our argument, and we took a team vote. Dude,
we were sixty forty. And what I quickly realized when
we got out there was even though we had an
amazing time in Scottsdale, Arizona, like I love that place.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I think it's so much fun, it was a lot
of fun, and it wasn't.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
There was not a lot of seriousness taken to the
approach for the game.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
And that was by the players and coach and coaches.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Because the coaches were looking for new new jobs and
players were having fun at night. You know, you get
those boys outside of South Bend, Indiana, man, things things
get wild. Sommers I would I would say this. You know,
I'm not for opting out of bowl games. I think
each team has to make their own individual decision. But
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for Notre Dame, it's unique because that's all you're playing
for every year. You don't have a conference championship, you know,
you don't have those things that are set for years, goals.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
You know, now, let's get to the playoff and go
win a national championship.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
So when that's not there for you anymore, there's obviously
other things to consider, and I think.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Don't you think other teams would look at it that way?
Like if we didn't, Yes, I don't. I don't want
to like this is a nice.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Season, and I think they have That's why, you know,
Iowa State, there's others that opted out, and I granted
some of those schools had, you know, head coaching changes
and things that played a role in that. And that's
kind of again where I kind of can relate to that.
But that's why each like we shouldn't walk down on
upon the team or players for making that decision, you know,
because that became a big talking piece for a lot
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of people when I think each team's got.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Their own reason for what they're doing and why they're
doing it.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
But to your point, I do think the rest of
these Bowl games need to start thinking creativity, you know,
creatively about where can we where can we exist? You
know in the future. I think the New Year six
are fine. It's just going to be the rest that
aren't a part of the college wall play up. They
have to figure out a place to live, Yeah the dumpster?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Can we.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Else?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Can we continue this conversation because I do I do
think there's more to it on the backside of this
here as we are LeVar Arrington, Brady, Quinn.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Jonas's backside, Maybe damn.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Right that red light red light the baby getting healed.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
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So do you remember how when Christian McCaffrey and Leonard
Fournette opted out of bowl games and it was like
how could they?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Like, how could you do that to your teammates? You know,
how could you?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
They're trying to get ready for the draft, and it
was just like there was all this criticism that was
levy towards them. And then you know, Notre Dame opts
out of wanting to play in a bowl game and
they got all sorts of heat about it.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
What you're too good for the bull Yes?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yes, as a matter of fact, yeah, believe it or not,
there are certain people in college sports that are better
than others like that that it is I don't want
to say beneath them, but yeah, they can get to
places and get to where they want to go and
not need everything that comes along with every other program
or every other player in the sport. And I don't
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think that you look at And what reminds me of
this is years ago, do kind of really down year
and they decided to not partake in the NIT and
they got a lot of heat for it, and it
was like, well, what you're too good for the n IT?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, as a matter of fact, we have options, and
I feel like there's sort of a bitterness towards players
and pro who have options who are bigger than some
of these other things that are thrown on their lap
and other things that.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Are out there in the world of college sports.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
And I don't know if you guys see that as
well too, but I definitely see it. And I've never
had an issue with a player or a team deciding
what they want us to do is not in our
best interest, despite whether or not anybody likes.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
It or not.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I think that's what's a good point. Yeah, I would
just say I would say, for me, I didn't opt out.
And so there's personal personal assessments and then there's sensible assessments.
The sensible side of me says, it's your choice. You know,
if you're at the point in your career where you're
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about to go to the pros, I mean, you think
of who is the young man that was dope linebacker
for the Notre Dame Jialn Smith plays and he plays
in the game, and Jackson's lag up or mcgahey jack
is lag up, and those are extreme those are extreme cases.
But I mean, do you want to risk being one
of the extreme cases that could alter what your future is.
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So I look at it from that perspective and say,
if somebody wants to, you know, say listen, I'm going
to prepare for the next level. For what it's worth,
our regular season is finished, this is the bowl season.
I'm going to opt out. Like I get that.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Now.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
It's a little harder to make that determination with the
playoffs because you still have a chance to win the
national title, and that would to me not mean that
your season is over. But if it's just a regular
bowl game, you know, if it is the n i
T Tournament and you are a classic blue blood team
that generally plays in the regular tournament, I don't I
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don't see there being an issue with it. But I do.
I do think it's cool. Like Deny, you know, Dennis
Deny Sutton. You know, he he played and he bawled
and probably butchered his name. I might have messed it
up because I got used to calling his name different,
But anyway, he balled out, balled out for Penn State
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because I called him Deny. That's all I call him.
But behind did you try to put them all together?
Sometimes I put him in the wrong order. But anyway,
you know, but Zaye Durant opted out, you know, Zachi Wheatley,
he opted out, And I don't feel any differently about
them than I do with Dennis playing in the game.
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So I just think it's a personal deal. Don't get to,
like you said, caught up personally into it.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Yeah, look to that point, there's individual decisions. I think
there's teams decisions too. What's interesting to me about this
where we're venturing to in college football because you point
out that about Duke, and I think that's always kind
of existed to for some of the bigger programs that
if they do have that down year, if.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
They don't go to the n I T. You know,
it's kind of you to so be it.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Like the transfer portal has changed a lot of that
because your roster turnover is so signif eficant. And I
think if you look at it from a football perspective nowadays,
I mean, if you're not a part of the college
football playoff, you're probably going to be losing a good
amount of players either to the portal, to their eligibility
being up, which maybe is in question nowadays, or you know,
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to go into the NFL. And if that's the case,
you know, are you really putting your brand, your program
the best foot forward when you go out and play
some of these bowl games.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Probably not right.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
I mean, like, do Tennessee losing the Illinois do anything
to help their program or the perception of the SEC.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
And again I'm not saying that they shouldn't go out
there and play because it's another opportunity to go out
there and play football. It's the greatest game of the
world in my opinion, but we also act like this
isn't a business and just talking from the NNIL side
and how agents talk to these kids, Now, that's how
it's structured. Like you play your regular season, if you
play for a national championship, every single agent that's representing
these kids are going to tell you to go out
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there and play. Now, they might be trying to leverage
what you're getting paid, get paid more if you're a
team that's part of the playoff.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
We heard about that.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
Story last year with nigo Ia Malaiava and Tennessee before
they played Ohio State, they were trying to redo the
contract get paid more. So that sort of stuff is
going on. But when you really peeled all back. You know,
it doesn't sometimes make as much sense for some of
those brands and those schools, you know, but again it's
their own individual choice. I don't have a problem with
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a guy sitting out or even a team at this
point only because if they're going to have a lot
of moving parts with all of it, then why not
focus on what is to be that next season and everyone,
especially for teams that have guys coming back. I mean,
let's say, for example, last night Jade Mayava got hurt,
I was going to impact his ability to start the
following year. Does that make that game worth it for
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SC especially in hindsight losing the way you did.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Probably not.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
And so I just that whole question of these exhibition games,
these additional Bowl games, than their existence, like it's gonna
come to.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
The forefront here soon. Yeah, it's kind of a I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I look at it and I go, there's a lot
of people speaking on behalf of choices being made that
have nothing to do with them. I literally have nothing
to do with them, does not impact them, does not
benefit them. Like you mentioned, Jalen smith Man, remember Jake Butt.
Jake Butt was thought to be like a really top prospect.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
In the NFL tight end. He got it. He got
his leg ripped up in a bowl game.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Like it's just like, so you want them to just
risk it so that you could, you know, seeing what
dump cheese. It's on their head like everybody else is
doing it. Why can't you do it? Okay, Well, I
don't know because I've got to fifty.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
That's the reality.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
And if you really peel back that, the business model
is most of these ball games, these exhibition ball games,
are owned by ESPN.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
If there was forty of them, about half. I think
they sold off some of them.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
Then some are obviously owned by others, but when you
really look at it, most of them are owned by ESPN,
so it's kind of their own creation. It's part of
their business model for this time of year because the
ratings for these bull games are typically higher.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Than many of these teams usually you.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
Know face like I guarantee you Coastal Carolina and Louis
Gonna Tech yesterday probably rated higher than any of their
other games this season because it was on in a
spot where it was a standalone nothing's up against him,
and people are dying for some sort of sports. There's
gambos who want to bet. So that's all part of
you know, their model to make money off it. So
there's no one gets more upset about it than ESPN
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when a team opts out there not part of their
you know, postseason business model. But does it make sense
for anyone else you know that that's involved in the process,
the coaches, the players, maybe not. I mean again, like
this is not a part of them getting paid additionally,
And that's a conversation we have.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
To start having that.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
That's the big conversation, you.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Know, like like we're not getting like bowl game bonuses
for these players if they get in the playoff. Maybe
is structured in there, but like we're not to that
point yet. We don't have a CBA for the players.
There's not a union that's you know, collected collectively bargaining
against whatever power structure is created.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
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twenty twenty six Pro Football Hall of Fame have announced
their finalists, and let's go with the you know at
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Speaker 2 (40:40):
Here, Drew Brees is in this, Larry.
Speaker 7 (40:43):
Fitz, Frank Gore, maybe maybe Tory Holt, Luke Keikley. Shout
out to the linebackers, Willie Anderson, Jare Evans Eli is
on there again, Terrell Suggs, vinetary ad invententary for those
Reggie Wayne, Kevin Williams, Jason Witten, Darren Woodson.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
And Marshall yonder Man.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
I mean, all those dudes will probably get in. I
don't know how many get in this time.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
There's five, right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
So I get I get hit up by a couple
of voters and they give me the list. I'll tell you,
I'm looking for the messages. I'll tell you who I
gave them, who I gave them. Darren Woodson. I think
it's long overdue for Darren Woodson to get in. I
think it's way long overdue for Tory Holt to get in.
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I think it's way long overdue for Willy Anderson to
get in. And I think Luke Keigley and Frank Borer
should get in Wow, those are my five over Breeze,
I think. I mean, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
It's the first ballot Hall of Favor.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
It won't it won't be over Breeze. But if you're
asking me the five, if if I had to replace one,
I'd say probably Luke with with Drew Brees. But I
gotta put the line.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I would say, Frank Laura, if you're going to replace
one of those, I would.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
Say, his body of work is too. It's so great though, I.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Think you should get into But if you're only picking five.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
Yeah, but his body of work, like who's done with
Frank Gore has done.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Quarterback, I think he's got a better that's fair.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
That's fair too. Yeah, that is fair. That is fair.
I mean you're listen. If it's Frank Gordon has to
go as I mean that that was my five, guys.
That that was That's what I gave you.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
That's I said my five.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
I didn't say. I didn't say it was factually back.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
That's what you didn't say five? Either said it was
your five?
Speaker 5 (42:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:44):
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to get my five? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (42:48):
I don't know what I think Keiley has to get in.
Was he an All Pro for like four five? I
mean he defensive player of there, defensive rookie. Ye, he's
got all the accolades. I know it was, you know
it wasn't long. But I don't think he was ever
worse than an eight, like a second team All.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Pro five time All Pro.
Speaker 6 (43:06):
Well, first team, he was a second team for like
the rest of them.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
If your first team All Pro one time, you've done
well in your life, You've done well in your life.
That's how hard it is to become a first team
All Pro. That's elusive.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
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Speaker 6 (43:24):
I'd say there's other definitions for doing well in life,
but yes, that is.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
You don't know that. I mean, okay, miss Notre Dame,
I went to Penn State. Relax, Relax, I'm educated.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
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