July 15, 2026 • 37 mins
Baseball HOF pitcher John Smoltz discusses the rising velocity around baseball, explaining why modern pitchers continue to dominate. Former USMNT forward Eric Wynalda delivers a passionate critique of the American youth soccer system, insisting America must improve how it identifies elite talent. Former "Around the Horn" host Tony Reali discusses his new show "Real Deal with Tony Reali," and announces that he will host two DP Shows in August!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
John Smolts, Hall of Famer, he was on the.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Dismissed Let's go to Frank and Louisville. What do you
think about the lebron what teams?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
He going to? John Smoltz, hall of Famer, on the
call last night for the All Star Game on FONT
Do you follow social media? Do you care what people
say after a performance critique?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
No?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I have no social media. Yeah on purpose, Yeah, there's
no reason for it. And uh that way, I don't
even have to. I'd be uh, I'd be meeting people,
you know, at certain places. I'd say, hey, let's uh,
let's meet, let's talk. I want to hear it face
to face.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What if a fellow broadcaster said something same thing?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Okay, Yeah, I'd want to I'd want to see him
face to face. Maybe we could hug it out like
you guys did talk.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It out all right. I don't know if this is
an anomaly, but there were twenty seven strikeouts last night, John.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yeah, that was a little much when you think about
the hitters and the pitchers. Look, we know the pitchers
are great and they got great arms, and it's always
kind of a matchup nightmare depending on who's in the
lineup and who they face. But twenty seven strikeouts is
a little much.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
But I feel like you're out there, you got one inning,
and you want to throw you I mean, nobody wants
to be embarrassed. It's not like the other All Star
Games where you're kind of out there and both sides know, hey,
let's just not embarrass each other and have a little
bit of fun. I'm going up there to hit one
to the moon, and you're going to be on the
mound trying to strike me out. So we still do
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have that competitive part of the All Star Game, which
is what I still love.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, it's the best All Star game there is. I mean,
it's played like a regular season game, and certainly to
your points. I mean, you know, I remember just being
out there facing the top six six hitters in the lineup,
and I want to get them out. And you could
do things differently as a pitcher in one inning that
you wouldn't ever really not do in a six, seven
inning or five inning game. So I think that's that's
(02:08):
a lot to do with it. And you know, the
interesting thing, we didn't even have our biggest power arms
pitching last night. So to get twenty seven strikeouts, it's impressive,
but we didn't even have the top dogs able to pitch.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Is the radar gun still the radar gun like that,
you know when Nolan Ryan was pitching, or Sandy Kofax,
you know, some of these guys to what's happening now
is one hundred and nineteen sixty nine the same one
hundred that we have now.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
No technology has got it a little bit different coming
out of the hand versus crossing home plate. All the
different technology and spin rates creating this buzz and certainly
I think and a lot of people think it's a
little bit juice, but these arms are doing things that
we've never seen before, and it's the reason why we
have so many injuries. We talked about it, but one
hundred and two is one hundred and two. You could
tell by the way the hit he swings whether the
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ball life or whether it's straight. And they can hit
one hundred and two, but they're definitely seeing more velocity
than ever before. Have a hard time believing somebody threw
harder than Nolan Ryan, but you know, maybe they are.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
But also, how are the hitters going to stay keep
up with the number of pitchers who are throwing a
hundred and how fast can a human throw a baseball?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Well, that's the thing that in the future they've got
to do something about. I mean, pitching and the art
of throwing the ball hard is way ahead of hitting,
and they're trying to combat it with a launch angle,
and they're trying to hit mistakes. And that's really what
they're doing when they hit home runs, they're hitting mistakes.
Pitchers don't exactly locate today. I mean, they're throwing it
as hard as they can in that big box. But
I hope we get to a place where we dial
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that down.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Like, if you've got the ability to.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Throw a hundred, why wouldn't you want to throw ninety
five ninety six and ramp it up when you need to.
But that's not what they're asked to do. That's why
the reward system, in my opinion's flawed.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
PAULI has a good idea bad idea that he wants
to present to you.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
I have to do this a John Smoltz. Yeah, okay, John,
to combat the one hundred and three mile an hour fastball,
what if going forward, you tightened up the strike zone
one inch on all sides.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, I've often believed that if we were going to
go to the Avs, which we are and thankfully Tony
a two challenge, we needed to strike, put the strikes
so lower and create a little bit more opportunity for
the hitters. And they've done that a little bit. They've
lowered it, thankfully. But you saw a challenge last night
and it got one one thousandth of an inch of
the ball. I mean, that's the part of the game
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where I've said, if you ever go to that system,
pitchers are going to have a field day and hitters
will have no chance. So if they do lower it
and do squeeze it in, I think that would be better.
But what the ABS is doing also, you always got
to look at the side effects swing rates down, walk
rates up, so you're seeing the evidence of what's going
on that if we ever went to it full time,
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oh boy, we're going to get back to those games
that we don't want to see.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So most one hundred mile an hour pitches in the
All Star Game. This is since two thousand and nine.
Last night there were twenty three or no, twenty twenty four,
there were twenty three, twenty twenty five, there were twenty one.
There were only six pitches over one hundred miles an hour.
But as you said, you didn't have the big power
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arms last night, So maybe that's the aberration. You know,
twenty four and twenty five you're getting twenty three pitches
and twenty one pitches as well.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, you're always going to have an uptick in the
All Star Game because of adrenaline. You always worry about
that with a young player, and that adrenaline went up.
You know, Robolosky maybe doesn't have a you know, it
doesn't strike out a ton of people, but he struck
out five.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Out of six.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
You could tell maybe he had looked like so, I
think that's part of it.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
In the altar.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You're playing golf today, okay, do you have to run?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Do you have to run? And you have to okay?
I just just wanted to make sure the you played,
They see you played with Tiger numerous times, right.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I played the Tiger which was Tiger, Yeah, numerous times?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Did you ever beat him?
Speaker 7 (06:09):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Kig posts thought I had it done, talked to a
little trash at the end.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
It's a mistake.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I never did it again. When he talked trash to Tiger,
the antennas go up, and then he pays attention. You
just don't want him to pay attention, so you just
got to kind of sleep walk around. But there are
times where I felt like I could compete twenty years ago,
but the reality is there's no way.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
What about Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yeah, Michael and I played a lot of rounds of golf,
and he's got the will to get it done.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
It's same thing.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Don't talk trash. You're gonna lose His ability to just
figure out how he's going to get it done second
to none. So yeah, I've had I've had success against Michael.
Michael's a little bit older than me and and but
I certainly I've learned a lot watching both of them.
And I got to figure out a way to will
it in the hole too, because I don't do that
as well as they do.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
John Smoltz the Hall of Famer. If I give you
the Dodgers or the Field second a half of the season.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yeah, that's a great question, because what's gonna come with
the Field is gonna be an opportunity to kind of
get in and make some trades that hopefully they don't
go to the Dodgers. If you're a team that's trying
to chase the Dodgers, you want to make your splash
in the trade deadline. The field is always in impressive
and obviously you want to take the field. But the
Dodgers have been unbelievable. They haven't had their full compliment
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like a lot of teams. But this trade deadline is
gonna get very interesting for a lot of teams. And
I really believe you're gonna get a team that goes
all in and goes for it even despite the you know,
the favorites and the Dodgers and the heavy takers.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Okay, but who's gonna go all in? In your opinion, I.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Think we're gonna make a prize team. I think that
you know, teams that are built for the postseason, they're
gonna feel like they can they can kind of stand
pat I'd be very interested to see what the New
York Yankees do because of some of the entries and
the undult with with Aaron Judge. I'd also be interested
to see what those teams that out of nowhere, like
(08:00):
the White Sox, where if they got a chance to
seize the moment, maybe they make a play.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
It's all their young talent.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
The thing is, with all that's looming in the future
and and the labor thing, I think you got to
make an opportunity at a play if you're close to
change your franchise, just you know, not knowing what the
other side's going to be.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Do you think we're going to have a salary cap eventually?
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I think that's going to be the biggest topic of discussion.
It's always been there. I think it's going to be
the hardest part of the negotiations on what they get
to and and adamantly both sides are going to be
against the baseball is going to be against it. The
owners are going to want it. So I hope we
don't get to a place where the momentum baseball get
delayed way too long. I hope they figure out a
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way to get it done.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Thank you, John has always great Seeing you in Tahoe.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Oh my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's John Smoltz.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
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Speaker 2 (09:32):
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Speaker 7 (09:47):
I don't are we feeling okay?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I got caught up yesterday and I'm like, I want
you to talk about Spain that everybody's talking about in
Bope and Holland and Mess and all the you know, firepower.
Spain's kind of boringly great.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Well, no, it's it's it's more complex than that. But
I feel like I got to bring the level up today.
You guys are talking about death. You went from David
Busters to Pepperoni, I can't believe in none of you
guys took the chicken pizza. By the way, I'm with you, Dan,
and by the way, top four ESPN all time. Sometimes
on your exit from a former employer, they do stuff
(10:27):
like this just to piss you off.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
You are number one, period, is not even a question.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
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Speaker 3 (10:33):
Spain Spain, Okay.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
What Spain does And this is where it gets a
little bit confusing, because we could say it's defense, but
what what they do is actually fantastic. When France tried
to play defense, they made them chase in such a
way that they were all tired out by the time
they got the ball.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And there is a design to that.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
He watched the second goal, for example, and there's a
trust that they have and they have this guy Rodriy
and middle of the field who's coming off at acl
But it's it's kind of like if I threw a
pile of crap at you and your Rodriy you catch
it and somehow give it back packaged with a little
bow on it. Because that's how good he is. He's
just amazing and he makes everything look easy. He makes
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everybody look better. So France, since we're talking about death today,
they fell on their own sword. They just what they
didn't realize what's happening is in this transitional game is
you can't chase, chase, chase, and then run.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
You can't. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
Even the second goal, they took out that guy Barcola,
who was very instrumental in making it a tough day
for Lamina mal because every time Leamin would beat his guy,
this guy would run out of position just.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
To chase him down because he was fast enough.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
His replacement, Douet didn't do a he didn't chase Poro
and that's the only reason why that goal happened. So
France is out and Spain is good.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
They're very good. That's the reason why they won the Euro.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
I think this will continue and it's it's it's an
amazing deal. When you have a goalkeeper with six shutouts
and that's their thirty seventh consecutive win at international football,
it doesn't happen. I think it's the record and it's
been an amazing ride.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
What do you expect today with England and Argentina?
Speaker 7 (12:20):
This sucks, man, I can't believe that I'm going to
be saying that, but I you know, two hundred and
fifty years we got on boats to get away from
these guys, and that.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
We're rooting for us. What is that? I I think I.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Think Argentina has got something going on. There's the there's
an undercurrent here. I don't know what it is, but
I've been, you know, watching them almost seemingly implode everybody.
Everybody when you're play against Argentina, you're playing against the champions,
so you bring your your best game and the energy
levels are off the charts.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And they've gotten a little fortunate with the referee calls.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
I mean, you got to you have to have Let's
put it this way, England gets seven fouls before they
get a yellow cart, Argentina twenty two and a half.
Well in case something's going on, right, so they and
they've had an easy pathway. This is Argentina's first real game.
Argentina's a very good team.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
But are you saying there's favoritism here?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Absolutely, And anybody that says otherwise is just just trying to,
you know, come up with another narrative.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I mean, like the egypt goal.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
Taking that back, it's part of the biggest travesties I've
seen in a World Cup because that was a wonderful goal,
and I think I said this on another program, but
it was almost like, no, that's not a goal. Some
guy in the eighteenth th row spilled mustard on his
hot dog, I got his shirt, so.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
We got to call that one back.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Really really a shame because Egypt, Egypt was terrific and
they got cheated. So and by the way, Messi, you know,
we got ballagunner and who we take back the yellow?
They're the red card, which was which was not the
right thing. But Messi should have never even had his
first five goals. It was a red card defense in
the first game against Algeria. So yes, favoritism has been alive.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
And well with this Argentine set up.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Are you okay with that? That that like, why would
they be playing favorites? I know it's a TV event,
but do you think that there is.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
Well it's not only like like you guys are basketball guys, right,
so it's kind of like you do the tournament the
six four teams and blah blah blah and one two,
three four make it almost you know, there's always a
dark horse right before this tournament started, we could have
all told you it was gonna.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Be Spain, France, Argentina, England.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
And that that's you know, and we see the big
TV numbers and we see people like it has that
feel of and everybody's having shots at Infantino because it
just looks like it just looks corrupt, It looks bad
when when you see these kind of things happen, people
getting cheated out of goals, the whole, the whole Croatian goal,
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the ball detected someone's hair, follicical, but in the England game,
somehow that didn't hit the wire. And we're supposed to
believe that the technology within the ball is telling this
and our eyes are lying. It just gets it gets,
It gets a little weird sometimes in our game.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Do we depend on you know, instant replay or va
R too much? Do we lean on them? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
I don't like it.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
Only I like the I like the idea of you
when it's offside, it's offside, you know that that's and
then sometimes it's a toll where it's a nose or whatever.
And but when you go back, you know, ten seconds
and you're re refereeing the game, that that's where we've
gone too far and it and it makes it far
too easy for the conspiracy theorists to say, all right,
what's really going on here? Because some some teams get
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the favoritism, some teams don't. And then you re referee
these situations, you look at them in slow motion. Of
course it looks worse and they're not. They say it's
in the rules that they're not allowed to do that,
but they do it anyway. So it's it's it's getting
to be quite a mess.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I hope they fix it.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Eric win Alda, host of win Alda Talks Football Serious XMFC,
played on three World Cup teams, also runs the oldest
soccer academy for sixteen seventeen year olds. I'm sure you're
well aware. Kevin Fraser from Entertainment Tonight last week when
we are in Tahoe, laid into Alexi Lawless and our
soccer program here give me your thoughts on what it's
(16:18):
too long to play in this segment.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
But I get it, I know, Kevin. I mean, look,
I think he's kind of in the same.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Boat that we're all in right now.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
We just want we just want our soccer team to
be better. Than what we are.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
We want to go further than sixteenth in a competition
like this and when and I worked for Fox, so
I can raise my hand and say I'm no longer there,
mainly because I didn't subscribe to the idea that I
have to say something stupid every.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Day to get everybody all fired up.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
I didn't want to do it, and I'm not there anymore,
which is fine now. Lex and I are still very
good friends. I text message with him yesterday. He knows
what he's doing, and I don't think he cares what
Frey says, but what we should we should. I think
our soccer community is far too intelligent for him in
that position to go on that stage and say some
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of those things, as if he's just it's just gonna float,
float away and pop somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
It's not.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
It's not the state of our country. Our country is
far more intelligent as a soccer nation.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
To compare the academies in Europe, Like, what would you
do if you were going to make us formidable starting
I'm already.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Doing it, Dan, I'm already doing it. I have my
own team.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
I picked my own group of rock stars that are
not in the system, and we go beat MLS teams,
that's you know, and then they go, WHOA, where'd you
find these guys? And I said, well, maybe maybe it's
a little bit you're not looking under enough rocks, or
maybe you don't know what you're looking at in the
first place.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
But if everybody wants to solve the soccer problem, let
me just do it.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
You're ready.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
This is how easy this is.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
The rest of the world spends all of their time
trying to find the talent, and then they eliminate the untalented,
and they thin the herd pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
And so the best soccer.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Players at the age of sixteen seventeen in Europe or
France or Germany wherever it is, are playing, and then
they have the ability to tell those folks that aren't
good enough, no, don't play anymore, go do something else.
America is trying to figure out how to increase the numbers,
which is not helping to grow the game, and more
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people are playing soccer than ever before.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
That's not good, especially if.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
We're talking about two teams and let's say eight of
them can do it and eight of them can't. Right,
what service are those players who aren't talented enough to
be on that field, but have been told they are,
and they're paying for that instruction that this is somehow
going to work out for you. Some say, oh, it
didn't work out, give me another thousand dollars and we'll
see you next month.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
And that continues.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
So these these players who are holding onto hope and
a dream that they're going to someday miraculously be come
international talent.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
It's a lie.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
And I feel bad for those kids because they're being
told that they're going to be something that they're not,
and they're paying through the nose to try and get
somewherether and they're never going to get And the rest
of the world.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Doesn't do that.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
We just basically say no, it's my professional opinion. Go
do something else.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
You're sixteen, and go do something else for us too late,
that kid who's sixteen and is untalented in America will.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Stay all the way until the.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Collegiate process, make it a determination of whether I want
to go to college or be a pro, and then.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
It just fizzes out.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
We don't identify our real talent package them together.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Even though we have a national team.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
I think I could put together a group of sixteen
seventeen year olds and beat our national team.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
That's just me.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Maybe I'm being arrogant. I don't know, but I think
we just don't do it the right way. We involve
way too many people, and we charge too many people
when we should be thin in the herd finding the
talent and locking in on that.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
If we ever did that day and we'd win the
World Cup.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
You bring up and you mentioned money a few times.
I think that's the key with a lot of this
is we want to keep you in the system and
keep paying the money. The number of parents that I
heard from after Kevin Fraser was really remarkable because they said, look,
we don't know what to do and we want you know,
we're on a traveling team. We're spending all this money,
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and you know, I still want to know. Like Kevin
was bringing up, you know, the inner city kid, they
can't afford this, Like how do you find those plays?
You know, look where they found MESSI. He was nowhere.
You know, of a sudden, you're like, oh this kid,
you know he's twelve, will sign him? Uh, you know,
a contract on a bar napkin. We don't have those stories.
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It feels like this is a little too controlled the
money aspect, and once again I'm on the outside looking in.
But my questions, you know, may be obvious, but I'm
still looking for those answers of how do we make
this better instead of doing the same thing, because you know,
when Christian Polisic says, hey, this is just the start,
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it's not the start. No, we just start over its
groundhaul day every four years.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
Right, and that's usually you and I when you call
me every four years, then we rehash this thing. I'm
so honored to be on the show twice in a month,
by the way, this is great, right, And I see
you guys every day, by the way, So Todd, I'm
hopefully I get to spend some time on the couch.
Maybe you can help me out with that. That sounds
a good idea. I think we should. I think we
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could solve a lot of problems. But look, this is
what I do now, and I listen to other people.
I listened to the Landon Donovans of the world, you know,
criticize everything and say, all.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
We're doing this wrong, We're doing this wrong.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
Landon Donovan has absolutely zero experience at the youth level,
so he needs to kind of temper his his You
have to know what you're talking about before you talk
about it. That's that's my number one rule. My academy
is all about finding that kid who can afford it,
or is just super talented and isn't aware of how
talented they are, and I try to put them in
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environments where they can grow. It's also a problem that
upon that moment of discovery also is in this country, unfortunately,
the moment of the destruction of the soul of the player,
because the second that they find you, they try to
turn you into something that you're not. And that's not
what I do my whole man, I did put my
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money where my mouth is.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
I pay for this. These kids don't pay for anything.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
I take them to the opportunity's door and I knock
it down and it's been great.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
The response has been wonderful.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
You go to a place you all, we don't expect
you to know where Bulchem is, but that's my old club.
And I put a group of sixteen seventeen year olds
on a plane for one game, flew all the way
to Germany to play these and I explain to them,
this is what a professional environment looks like. And these
guys are going to try and hurt you if you
don't jump, so get ready. And we won the game
(22:59):
for nothing, and their take on this and all the
scouts that were at the game, We're like, where the
hell do you find these guys. It's not that we
don't have talent, it's just that we don't know what
to do with it once we find it. And that's
that's part of the system systemic problem that we have.
But it's it's just nobody wants to talk about it.
Nobody wants to hear somebody say we meet fewer people playing.
(23:20):
Nobody wants to hear that.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
But it's the truth.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
One word answer here England or Argentina.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
England and I.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Know, I know it's okay.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Something's going on with Argentina.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Their lucks run out. And I loved you, Billingham, I
love it. Just do some research on the guy, the guys.
He's a great human being, and then we don't have
enough of them. So I'm root for that guy today.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Great to talk to you again, Eric, Great to talk
to you. I don't know if it'll be four years.
I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't know if that.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Well, I'm gonna be on the couch in a couple
of days with Todd figure it out.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Eric.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
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Speaker 2 (24:05):
We make way for the former host of ESPN's Around
the Horn, mister high energy, mister Dan, you'll smile.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Trying to go a different way these days. I saw
Kevin Fraser come in Hot. I am a founding member
of the Coming in Hot community.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
I saw Fraser on your show last week and it
blew my mind.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
And that was about Alexi Lallis. Yeah, the man's got
a family. That was great. That was good stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Are you coming on with a Kevin Fraser like topic?
Speaker 9 (24:37):
I mean, I learned something in the last week then,
and you should always allow yourself to learn things that
what I'm doing now requires different energy perhaps than what
I've done in the past. I did a first episode.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
With Rowdy Gaines. I've never met Rowdy Gaines.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
I started the episode I'm hugging a screen right to
show him that I'm.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Welcoming him and loving I mean, how do you hug
a screen?
Speaker 9 (25:01):
And then I'm going in big and so now now
you're getting this Tony, Dad, you're getting this Tony.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Yes, very relaxed.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I want the fold Tony you want. Okay, I can
give you the bull if you were doing around the
horn to death. Yeah, give me a couple of for
instances that you would be asking the panel like, well.
Speaker 9 (25:21):
I mean, I've seen two things. I love Baseball. I
love the Baseball All Star Game. We want to criticize
the Baseball All Star Game for being.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
This or that it is the best.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
By far of all the All Star specimens we're throwing
out there. And Sandlot would be an example. Okay, sandlot
sidebar in the middle of a gate. I loved it.
I thought it was great. So I would go around
the horn on that with the panelists. But for me,
when you're a sport, you are what you are, all right,
lean into the Schmaltz if you're the Midsummer Classic, right.
(25:53):
So other sports have gone with with the streamer of
the day. We've seen this even you know, let's bring
in five streamers co collaborate with us and we'll get
more views. No baseballs should be going into the Samlot.
You could tell me it was schmaltzy, schmaltz all the way.
That's your DNA. The opposite side of that is get
the streamer and that's like a vampire blood transfusion that
(26:17):
a life hacker is doing with a younger person. You
know that guy, Brian Johnson, you know he's getting the
blood of a twenty year old.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
You don't need that your baseball. You did it right, great,
enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But now you go from you went on around the
Horn where you're asking questions where you don't necessarily get
to give your opinion to now you have to have opinions.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Oh, I'm mammy.
Speaker 9 (26:38):
I'm not a take guy, though, Dad, I'm a prospective guy.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
I'm gonna be me.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
This is one of the things someone told me some
great advice when I was sitting there the day two
of the long summer I had, and it was your
first show is going to be great in your mind,
the twenty fourth one is going to be the better show.
So I went through five iterations around the world and
two point zero. I think I love Around the Horn,
and I really I love PTI and I'm proud of
(27:05):
what that was.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
And I can do that again in the future.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
But right now, I wanted to be in a space
where I could be me a little bit more. And
that's not takes, but that is living in moments, and
that's where I landed.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
And I'm real happy in this space. I could do
this every day, you know, and I'm doing it weekly
right now.
Speaker 9 (27:24):
But I feel like, Okay, yeah, I want to relive
that moment that just came up in my feed.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
That's the that's the nugget of the idea, the colonel
of the idea.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Okay, I got my daughter's wedding coming up. Oh, in
a month from now.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
What are you dancing? What's the song, daddy, daughter?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Dad's I think it might be fly Me to the Moon.
Speaker 9 (27:43):
That's great, that's great. Well one two step, boom, boom,
you can end. I mean, your beautiful silhouettes. You gotta
work on a dip. Gotta do a dip.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I was gonna do. I was gonna do. It's getting
hot in here, so take off all your clothes, nelly.
But but I was told no, yeah, I'm I'm not
involved in it. I just said to my daughter, you
picked the song that you want, and you know, my wife,
you know, being Italian, you go Sinatra, you can't go wrong.
But here's what I want to get to. I have
(28:12):
to take off a Thursday and a Friday leading up
to the wedding. Yeah, I don't know what you're doing
during the week. Well, I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Now.
Speaker 9 (28:23):
If this is an offer, you can't take this back,
then don't take it back.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
This is an offer you're saying it.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Do you want me to come in, because I'm gonna
have you. It's not a ten day contract. It's a
two day contract. Are you two.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Days or like any other humans ten days? So don't
worry about that.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Okay, but you could, you would come in and I'd
be honest.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
I've been I thank you very much, I happily and
and and yes absolutely last year when we last talked.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
So that's a verbal it's a verbal, agreeable commitment from reality.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
Okay, I told you I wanted to do that, and
I also told you another thing. I promised you something,
and now I have to admit to this. I wanted
to give you the mute button, a mu button. I
had four on the desk. Yeah, and this was this
was a plan that I had. And again, I'm in
my long summer and I'm expecting now to hear more
(29:18):
things about what's happening.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Never heard a thing.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
But what I did see was the mute button, and
the full desk was auctioned off at the mothership headquarters,
and someone else who happened to just bid for it
got the full desk, and I'm seeing it on X
on Twitter just come up, and I'm like, well, okay,
I was trying to carve that into pieces and give
(29:41):
it to people who mean something to the show and
mean something to me, And now I can't even give.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
You the mute button.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
The picture was like somebody had a hostage.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
It was in there.
Speaker 9 (29:53):
And I'm not blaming anybody. This is how, this is
how it's done, and that's how it's done. It was
a desk, but I was trying, how do you even
carve up a desk? But I would have been on it.
I know, I would have loved to bid on it
and give me some of the producers of the people
who's blood and sweat was in there?
Speaker 5 (30:08):
What he pages?
Speaker 7 (30:09):
You know?
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Uh, you know, it's blood and sweat was in that
mute button. So I'm gonna have to find something else to.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
Gift you, to gift you what I do it. It
won't be the mute button though. We'll have to be
whatever this next show is.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Okay, So that's gonna be a Thursday and Friday. I'm
breaking this news to the Dan Edge just to let
you guys know that Tony is gonna come in now
on that Thursday and Friday.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Ready for that, Paul, Are you guys ready for this?
Do something?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
We're ready.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
But you're a high energy guy. We mapped off our coffee.
You know you're mister positive.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Yeah, this is gonna be great.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
You gotta I know, I know exactly how to how
to I'm you know, yeah, I'm gonna take skuy now
when I do this, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (30:47):
Maybe we'll see what we're gonna be, but it's going
to it's gonna be absolutely what you guys do every day,
which is a little reality.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
It's I love it, Toddy, Okay with Tony, I love
that idea.
Speaker 9 (30:56):
Okay, Marvin, I'm gonna take you guys through some some
of the some of the mechanics of.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
What around the Horn was, and then also what this
new show is.
Speaker 9 (31:03):
I have some games that I have some fun in
the show that I want to want to see if
you guys are up to speed?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Marvin okay with Tony Oh, I'm ready?
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
New episodes released every Tuesday. So each week Tony and
a rotating cast of guests we'll dig into a single
iconic sports moment and explore why it still resonates. I'm
guessing if you had Rowdy gains On, the former Olympic
swimmer are we talking about Michael Phelps.
Speaker 9 (31:31):
Makes precisely that dame, And why would I? I mean,
I don't cover swimming. I don't swim. I know how
to not drown, is the line I said to Rowdy.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
You know.
Speaker 9 (31:41):
But the genesis of this of the show came to
me in that this video came up in my feed
and I started crying. So now I want to unpack that.
I'm not going to use this show as my therapy
chair every week, but just for the first episode, I
wanted to sit in a moment that and many moments
that are irresistible to me, and it's that moment. So
Phelps is the image that sticks in my head. But
(32:04):
I know it's not about Phelps solely because Jason Lezak
had the greatest split in Olympic history. But then I
know it's not just about Jason Lezak. So this is
what I'm kind of pulling on the thread. And it's
Rowdy Gaines's voice when he makes the call Dad, you
know how I love my, my, my play by play guys,
my anles, my, my, You're an idol of mine.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
The voice for me unlocks the full feeling.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
So I got to do something with Rowdy where Rowdy
played Rowdy and I played Dan Hicks and we read
the transcript of that and I heard it in real
time and Rowdy hasn't thought about this. I mean, I'm
sorry he's seen the video, but he told me, you know,
I haven't reenacted this ever. And he delivers the voice
he's tightening up speaking of the French swimmer of lam
Bernard and that even in that moment, it was like dwink,
(32:48):
a little bit of like wow, something got me. And
then he did it. He did it, So I unpacked
that moment. There's an inspiration. I love the podcast the
Rewatchables for the Ringer Network, and I had been mulling
on Rewatchables for sports. Why aren't we doing this? No
game is a big, long thing. I don't know if
I would want to rewatch the entirety of a game.
(33:09):
I would maybe in front of a live audience and
have some fun with that, but not for a full podcast.
But then you get to a moment and you can
rewatch that ten second clip.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
You could break it down by frame if you want.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
You can do that, and then you can go on
to all these different side quests during it, and that's
what the show is.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I never understood this, and I said this to people
in management, that I found you to be one of
the most talented people at ESPN. Yeah, and it was
like you weren't doing anything other than around the horn
and at the Mothership they usually try to have you
do other jobs. Now that could be, you know, budgetary reasons,
(33:47):
but still I was shocked that you left. Like I said,
you would have been my nominee for Jeopardy. I think
you instead of Ken Jennings. You would You'd be great
in that role. But I just never understood why the
Mothership didn't hold on to you and offer you something else.
(34:09):
Did Am I missing something?
Speaker 5 (34:11):
I don't think you're missing something. I don't think I'm
missing something. I don't even know if they were missing something.
Speaker 9 (34:16):
I'm a person who is fiercely independent in a lot
of ways. I loved being hands and fingers all over
one particular thing rather than you know, so, I mean,
this may not be the best business strategy. My wife
is now the CEO of my whole real ones media,
(34:37):
you know, and she's like, no, we're gonna Yes. I
can appear in different places, I can do many different things,
and I'm happy to be doing that. But but in
that particular moment, I thought that show deserved and I
thought I deserved giving everything I could to that.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
So I didn't I didn't appreciate.
Speaker 9 (34:54):
Maybe those other opportunities I didn't ask for them, and
they didn't come my way.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
I can be honest about that too.
Speaker 9 (35:00):
But the new landscape, so I got out of this
moment with the show, and you're living a moment. I've
said this before, I'll say it again because I love
the reference. I just want people to google it. There
is a Oscars where Will Ferrell, Jack Black, and John
c Riley sing a song about being the comedian at
(35:20):
the Oscars, the loneiest, loniest man in town.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
You know this?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
No, okay, well.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Let's we'll put it, we'll google it whatever.
Speaker 9 (35:27):
But they sing this very elaborate song, and it ends
with them trying to be funny and getting a date
with Helen Mirren. But at one point Jack Black asked
Will Ferrell in song, what did you think when you
took off your pants and you ran around, you know,
Talladega knights, and he delivers the line, I thought they
love me, you know? And what did you think when
you're a mutant Woody Page? I thought they'd love me.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
I I you know, I wanted to be loved.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
I'm somebody who wants to do that. Those calls didn't happen.
The industry was changing so rapidly, and I had to
educate myself. Dan, you'll see, or I hope you'll see
parts of me in the show that aren't podcasting.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
It's full on walk and talk. I'm taking that from YouTube.
I'm taking that from my.
Speaker 9 (36:05):
Own personal love of the good Fellow's shot, right, But yes,
it's it's that. So I had to realize podcasts were
getting the TV jobs, and maybe it was I the
last TV host? Was I the last John Wayne in
this town? I don't know if there's TV hosts in
the future, They just might be people who work on
digital who go back to TV.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
All right, so you're you're locked in for two days.
When I go to my daughter's wedd i'mknocked in correct. Yeah, okay,
it's a Thursday and Friday, and you know, and oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Busy, that's a great football season. Preseason. I'm gonna be
breaking down football.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
And if you have guests that you want to have
on on your show, you just go through Fritzy and
then Fritz. He will try to book people that you
might want to help you in these two shows.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
M okay, let's work that.
Speaker 9 (36:53):
Yeah, Kathy Engelberg, Fritzyn Why did I say that?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Wow, Well, she might come on to talk to you,
but probably not with me.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Dan, you are in you know, you know my thoughts
when I make a show like this.
Speaker 9 (37:09):
You know, I want to thank you once again now
that you've already offered me the chance to sit in here.
But you know I am still in all of what
you do here on the regular and I can't wait
to hang out with the the dan Nettes. You guys
can have new names.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
For two days. You can be anything you want. You know.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
He's Tony Reality, former host of Around the Horn and
the new show is Real Deal with Tony Reality every
Tuesday with new episodes. As he has rotating guests, they
dig into a single iconic sports moment and explore while
it still resonates. Thank you, ton Thank you Dan.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
I'll see I'll see the Danets in too. But enjoy
the enjoy the wedding, don't think about the show. It's
all right, okay, we'll clean up everything.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Afterwards, all right, thank you. That's Tony Reality.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
John Smolts, Hall of Famer, he was on the.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Dismissed Let's go to Frank and Louisville. What do you
think about the lebron what teams?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
He going to? John Smoltz, hall of Famer, on the
call last night for the All Star Game on FONT
Do you follow social media? Do you care what people
say after a performance critique?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
No?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I have no social media. Yeah on purpose, Yeah, there's
no reason for it. And uh that way, I don't
even have to. I'd be uh, I'd be meeting people,
you know, at certain places. I'd say, hey, let's uh,
let's meet, let's talk. I want to hear it face
to face.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What if a fellow broadcaster said something same thing?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Okay, Yeah, I'd want to I'd want to see him
face to face. Maybe we could hug it out like
you guys did talk.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It out all right. I don't know if this is
an anomaly, but there were twenty seven strikeouts last night, John.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yeah, that was a little much when you think about
the hitters and the pitchers. Look, we know the pitchers
are great and they got great arms, and it's always
kind of a matchup nightmare depending on who's in the
lineup and who they face. But twenty seven strikeouts is
a little much.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
But I feel like you're out there, you got one inning,
and you want to throw you I mean, nobody wants
to be embarrassed. It's not like the other All Star
Games where you're kind of out there and both sides know, hey,
let's just not embarrass each other and have a little
bit of fun. I'm going up there to hit one
to the moon, and you're going to be on the
mound trying to strike me out. So we still do
(01:42):
have that competitive part of the All Star Game, which
is what I still love.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, it's the best All Star game there is. I mean,
it's played like a regular season game, and certainly to
your points. I mean, you know, I remember just being
out there facing the top six six hitters in the lineup,
and I want to get them out. And you could
do things differently as a pitcher in one inning that
you wouldn't ever really not do in a six, seven
inning or five inning game. So I think that's that's
(02:08):
a lot to do with it. And you know, the
interesting thing, we didn't even have our biggest power arms
pitching last night. So to get twenty seven strikeouts, it's impressive,
but we didn't even have the top dogs able to pitch.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Is the radar gun still the radar gun like that,
you know when Nolan Ryan was pitching, or Sandy Kofax,
you know, some of these guys to what's happening now
is one hundred and nineteen sixty nine the same one
hundred that we have now.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
No technology has got it a little bit different coming
out of the hand versus crossing home plate. All the
different technology and spin rates creating this buzz and certainly
I think and a lot of people think it's a
little bit juice, but these arms are doing things that
we've never seen before, and it's the reason why we
have so many injuries. We talked about it, but one
hundred and two is one hundred and two. You could
tell by the way the hit he swings whether the
(02:59):
ball life or whether it's straight. And they can hit
one hundred and two, but they're definitely seeing more velocity
than ever before. Have a hard time believing somebody threw
harder than Nolan Ryan, but you know, maybe they are.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
But also, how are the hitters going to stay keep
up with the number of pitchers who are throwing a
hundred and how fast can a human throw a baseball?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Well, that's the thing that in the future they've got
to do something about. I mean, pitching and the art
of throwing the ball hard is way ahead of hitting,
and they're trying to combat it with a launch angle,
and they're trying to hit mistakes. And that's really what
they're doing when they hit home runs, they're hitting mistakes.
Pitchers don't exactly locate today. I mean, they're throwing it
as hard as they can in that big box. But
I hope we get to a place where we dial
(03:44):
that down.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Like, if you've got the ability to.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Throw a hundred, why wouldn't you want to throw ninety
five ninety six and ramp it up when you need to.
But that's not what they're asked to do. That's why
the reward system, in my opinion's flawed.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
PAULI has a good idea bad idea that he wants
to present to you.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
I have to do this a John Smoltz. Yeah, okay, John,
to combat the one hundred and three mile an hour fastball,
what if going forward, you tightened up the strike zone
one inch on all sides.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, I've often believed that if we were going to
go to the Avs, which we are and thankfully Tony
a two challenge, we needed to strike, put the strikes
so lower and create a little bit more opportunity for
the hitters. And they've done that a little bit. They've
lowered it, thankfully. But you saw a challenge last night
and it got one one thousandth of an inch of
the ball. I mean, that's the part of the game
(04:31):
where I've said, if you ever go to that system,
pitchers are going to have a field day and hitters
will have no chance. So if they do lower it
and do squeeze it in, I think that would be better.
But what the ABS is doing also, you always got
to look at the side effects swing rates down, walk
rates up, so you're seeing the evidence of what's going
on that if we ever went to it full time,
(04:52):
oh boy, we're going to get back to those games
that we don't want to see.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So most one hundred mile an hour pitches in the
All Star Game. This is since two thousand and nine.
Last night there were twenty three or no, twenty twenty four,
there were twenty three, twenty twenty five, there were twenty one.
There were only six pitches over one hundred miles an hour.
But as you said, you didn't have the big power
(05:16):
arms last night, So maybe that's the aberration. You know,
twenty four and twenty five you're getting twenty three pitches
and twenty one pitches as well.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, you're always going to have an uptick in the
All Star Game because of adrenaline. You always worry about
that with a young player, and that adrenaline went up.
You know, Robolosky maybe doesn't have a you know, it
doesn't strike out a ton of people, but he struck
out five.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Out of six.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
You could tell maybe he had looked like so, I
think that's part of it.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
In the altar.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You're playing golf today, okay, do you have to run?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Do you have to run? And you have to okay?
I just just wanted to make sure the you played,
They see you played with Tiger numerous times, right.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I played the Tiger which was Tiger, Yeah, numerous times?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Did you ever beat him?
Speaker 7 (06:09):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Kig posts thought I had it done, talked to a
little trash at the end.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
It's a mistake.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I never did it again. When he talked trash to Tiger,
the antennas go up, and then he pays attention. You
just don't want him to pay attention, so you just
got to kind of sleep walk around. But there are
times where I felt like I could compete twenty years ago,
but the reality is there's no way.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
What about Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yeah, Michael and I played a lot of rounds of golf,
and he's got the will to get it done.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
It's same thing.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Don't talk trash. You're gonna lose His ability to just
figure out how he's going to get it done second
to none. So yeah, I've had I've had success against Michael.
Michael's a little bit older than me and and but
I certainly I've learned a lot watching both of them.
And I got to figure out a way to will
it in the hole too, because I don't do that
as well as they do.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
John Smoltz the Hall of Famer. If I give you
the Dodgers or the Field second a half of the season.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yeah, that's a great question, because what's gonna come with
the Field is gonna be an opportunity to kind of
get in and make some trades that hopefully they don't
go to the Dodgers. If you're a team that's trying
to chase the Dodgers, you want to make your splash
in the trade deadline. The field is always in impressive
and obviously you want to take the field. But the
Dodgers have been unbelievable. They haven't had their full compliment
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like a lot of teams. But this trade deadline is
gonna get very interesting for a lot of teams. And
I really believe you're gonna get a team that goes
all in and goes for it even despite the you know,
the favorites and the Dodgers and the heavy takers.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Okay, but who's gonna go all in? In your opinion, I.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Think we're gonna make a prize team. I think that
you know, teams that are built for the postseason, they're
gonna feel like they can they can kind of stand
pat I'd be very interested to see what the New
York Yankees do because of some of the entries and
the undult with with Aaron Judge. I'd also be interested
to see what those teams that out of nowhere, like
(08:00):
the White Sox, where if they got a chance to
seize the moment, maybe they make a play.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
It's all their young talent.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
The thing is, with all that's looming in the future
and and the labor thing, I think you got to
make an opportunity at a play if you're close to
change your franchise, just you know, not knowing what the
other side's going to be.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Do you think we're going to have a salary cap eventually?
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I think that's going to be the biggest topic of discussion.
It's always been there. I think it's going to be
the hardest part of the negotiations on what they get
to and and adamantly both sides are going to be
against the baseball is going to be against it. The
owners are going to want it. So I hope we
don't get to a place where the momentum baseball get
delayed way too long. I hope they figure out a
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way to get it done.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Thank you, John has always great Seeing you in Tahoe.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Oh my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's John Smoltz.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
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Speaker 2 (09:32):
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Sirius XMFC. Former member of the US team three World
Cups and back with a second appearance. Wow it's going on.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
I don't are we feeling okay?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I got caught up yesterday and I'm like, I want
you to talk about Spain that everybody's talking about in
Bope and Holland and Mess and all the you know, firepower.
Spain's kind of boringly great.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Well, no, it's it's it's more complex than that. But
I feel like I got to bring the level up today.
You guys are talking about death. You went from David
Busters to Pepperoni, I can't believe in none of you
guys took the chicken pizza. By the way, I'm with you, Dan,
and by the way, top four ESPN all time. Sometimes
on your exit from a former employer, they do stuff
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like this just to piss you off.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
You are number one, period, is not even a question.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Come on, thank kid, thanks all right?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Spain Spain, Okay.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
What Spain does And this is where it gets a
little bit confusing, because we could say it's defense, but
what what they do is actually fantastic. When France tried
to play defense, they made them chase in such a
way that they were all tired out by the time
they got the ball.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And there is a design to that.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
He watched the second goal, for example, and there's a
trust that they have and they have this guy Rodriy
and middle of the field who's coming off at acl
But it's it's kind of like if I threw a
pile of crap at you and your Rodriy you catch
it and somehow give it back packaged with a little
bow on it. Because that's how good he is. He's
just amazing and he makes everything look easy. He makes
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everybody look better. So France, since we're talking about death today,
they fell on their own sword. They just what they
didn't realize what's happening is in this transitional game is
you can't chase, chase, chase, and then run.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
You can't. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
Even the second goal, they took out that guy Barcola,
who was very instrumental in making it a tough day
for Lamina mal because every time Leamin would beat his guy,
this guy would run out of position just.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
To chase him down because he was fast enough.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
His replacement, Douet didn't do a he didn't chase Poro
and that's the only reason why that goal happened. So
France is out and Spain is good.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
They're very good. That's the reason why they won the Euro.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
I think this will continue and it's it's it's an
amazing deal. When you have a goalkeeper with six shutouts
and that's their thirty seventh consecutive win at international football,
it doesn't happen. I think it's the record and it's
been an amazing ride.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
What do you expect today with England and Argentina?
Speaker 7 (12:20):
This sucks, man, I can't believe that I'm going to
be saying that, but I you know, two hundred and
fifty years we got on boats to get away from
these guys, and that.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
We're rooting for us. What is that? I I think I.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Think Argentina has got something going on. There's the there's
an undercurrent here. I don't know what it is, but
I've been, you know, watching them almost seemingly implode everybody.
Everybody when you're play against Argentina, you're playing against the champions,
so you bring your your best game and the energy
levels are off the charts.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And they've gotten a little fortunate with the referee calls.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
I mean, you got to you have to have Let's
put it this way, England gets seven fouls before they
get a yellow cart, Argentina twenty two and a half.
Well in case something's going on, right, so they and
they've had an easy pathway. This is Argentina's first real game.
Argentina's a very good team.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
But are you saying there's favoritism here?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Absolutely, And anybody that says otherwise is just just trying to,
you know, come up with another narrative.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I mean, like the egypt goal.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
Taking that back, it's part of the biggest travesties I've
seen in a World Cup because that was a wonderful goal,
and I think I said this on another program, but
it was almost like, no, that's not a goal. Some
guy in the eighteenth th row spilled mustard on his
hot dog, I got his shirt, so.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
We got to call that one back.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Really really a shame because Egypt, Egypt was terrific and
they got cheated. So and by the way, Messi, you know,
we got ballagunner and who we take back the yellow?
They're the red card, which was which was not the
right thing. But Messi should have never even had his
first five goals. It was a red card defense in
the first game against Algeria. So yes, favoritism has been alive.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
And well with this Argentine set up.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Are you okay with that? That that like, why would
they be playing favorites? I know it's a TV event,
but do you think that there is.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
Well it's not only like like you guys are basketball guys, right,
so it's kind of like you do the tournament the
six four teams and blah blah blah and one two,
three four make it almost you know, there's always a
dark horse right before this tournament started, we could have
all told you it was gonna.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Be Spain, France, Argentina, England.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
And that that's you know, and we see the big
TV numbers and we see people like it has that
feel of and everybody's having shots at Infantino because it
just looks like it just looks corrupt, It looks bad
when when you see these kind of things happen, people
getting cheated out of goals, the whole, the whole Croatian goal,
(14:53):
the ball detected someone's hair, follicical, but in the England game,
somehow that didn't hit the wire. And we're supposed to
believe that the technology within the ball is telling this
and our eyes are lying. It just gets it gets,
It gets a little weird sometimes in our game.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Do we depend on you know, instant replay or va
R too much? Do we lean on them? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
I don't like it.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
Only I like the I like the idea of you
when it's offside, it's offside, you know that that's and
then sometimes it's a toll where it's a nose or whatever.
And but when you go back, you know, ten seconds
and you're re refereeing the game, that that's where we've
gone too far and it and it makes it far
too easy for the conspiracy theorists to say, all right,
what's really going on here? Because some some teams get
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the favoritism, some teams don't. And then you re referee
these situations, you look at them in slow motion. Of
course it looks worse and they're not. They say it's
in the rules that they're not allowed to do that,
but they do it anyway. So it's it's it's getting
to be quite a mess.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I hope they fix it.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Eric win Alda, host of win Alda Talks Football Serious XMFC,
played on three World Cup teams, also runs the oldest
soccer academy for sixteen seventeen year olds. I'm sure you're
well aware. Kevin Fraser from Entertainment Tonight last week when
we are in Tahoe, laid into Alexi Lawless and our
soccer program here give me your thoughts on what it's
(16:18):
too long to play in this segment.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
But I get it, I know, Kevin. I mean, look,
I think he's kind of in the same.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Boat that we're all in right now.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
We just want we just want our soccer team to
be better. Than what we are.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
We want to go further than sixteenth in a competition
like this and when and I worked for Fox, so
I can raise my hand and say I'm no longer there,
mainly because I didn't subscribe to the idea that I
have to say something stupid every.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Day to get everybody all fired up.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
I didn't want to do it, and I'm not there anymore,
which is fine now. Lex and I are still very
good friends. I text message with him yesterday. He knows
what he's doing, and I don't think he cares what
Frey says, but what we should we should. I think
our soccer community is far too intelligent for him in
that position to go on that stage and say some
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of those things, as if he's just it's just gonna float,
float away and pop somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
It's not.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
It's not the state of our country. Our country is
far more intelligent as a soccer nation.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
To compare the academies in Europe, Like, what would you
do if you were going to make us formidable starting
I'm already.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Doing it, Dan, I'm already doing it. I have my
own team.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
I picked my own group of rock stars that are
not in the system, and we go beat MLS teams,
that's you know, and then they go, WHOA, where'd you
find these guys? And I said, well, maybe maybe it's
a little bit you're not looking under enough rocks, or
maybe you don't know what you're looking at in the
first place.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
But if everybody wants to solve the soccer problem, let
me just do it.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
You're ready.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
This is how easy this is.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
The rest of the world spends all of their time
trying to find the talent, and then they eliminate the untalented,
and they thin the herd pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
And so the best soccer.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Players at the age of sixteen seventeen in Europe or
France or Germany wherever it is, are playing, and then
they have the ability to tell those folks that aren't
good enough, no, don't play anymore, go do something else.
America is trying to figure out how to increase the numbers,
which is not helping to grow the game, and more
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people are playing soccer than ever before.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
That's not good, especially if.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
We're talking about two teams and let's say eight of
them can do it and eight of them can't. Right,
what service are those players who aren't talented enough to
be on that field, but have been told they are,
and they're paying for that instruction that this is somehow
going to work out for you. Some say, oh, it
didn't work out, give me another thousand dollars and we'll
see you next month.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
And that continues.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
So these these players who are holding onto hope and
a dream that they're going to someday miraculously be come
international talent.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
It's a lie.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
And I feel bad for those kids because they're being
told that they're going to be something that they're not,
and they're paying through the nose to try and get
somewherether and they're never going to get And the rest
of the world.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Doesn't do that.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
We just basically say no, it's my professional opinion. Go
do something else.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
You're sixteen, and go do something else for us too late,
that kid who's sixteen and is untalented in America will.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Stay all the way until the.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Collegiate process, make it a determination of whether I want
to go to college or be a pro, and then.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
It just fizzes out.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
We don't identify our real talent package them together.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Even though we have a national team.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
I think I could put together a group of sixteen
seventeen year olds and beat our national team.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
That's just me.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Maybe I'm being arrogant. I don't know, but I think
we just don't do it the right way. We involve
way too many people, and we charge too many people
when we should be thin in the herd finding the
talent and locking in on that.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
If we ever did that day and we'd win the
World Cup.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
You bring up and you mentioned money a few times.
I think that's the key with a lot of this
is we want to keep you in the system and
keep paying the money. The number of parents that I
heard from after Kevin Fraser was really remarkable because they said, look,
we don't know what to do and we want you know,
we're on a traveling team. We're spending all this money,
(20:24):
and you know, I still want to know. Like Kevin
was bringing up, you know, the inner city kid, they
can't afford this, Like how do you find those plays?
You know, look where they found MESSI. He was nowhere.
You know, of a sudden, you're like, oh this kid,
you know he's twelve, will sign him? Uh, you know,
a contract on a bar napkin. We don't have those stories.
(20:45):
It feels like this is a little too controlled the
money aspect, and once again I'm on the outside looking in.
But my questions, you know, may be obvious, but I'm
still looking for those answers of how do we make
this better instead of doing the same thing, because you know,
when Christian Polisic says, hey, this is just the start,
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it's not the start. No, we just start over its
groundhaul day every four years.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
Right, and that's usually you and I when you call
me every four years, then we rehash this thing. I'm
so honored to be on the show twice in a month,
by the way, this is great, right, And I see
you guys every day, by the way, So Todd, I'm
hopefully I get to spend some time on the couch.
Maybe you can help me out with that. That sounds
a good idea. I think we should. I think we
(21:34):
could solve a lot of problems. But look, this is
what I do now, and I listen to other people.
I listened to the Landon Donovans of the world, you know,
criticize everything and say, all.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
We're doing this wrong, We're doing this wrong.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
Landon Donovan has absolutely zero experience at the youth level,
so he needs to kind of temper his his You
have to know what you're talking about before you talk
about it. That's that's my number one rule. My academy
is all about finding that kid who can afford it,
or is just super talented and isn't aware of how
talented they are, and I try to put them in
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environments where they can grow. It's also a problem that
upon that moment of discovery also is in this country, unfortunately,
the moment of the destruction of the soul of the player,
because the second that they find you, they try to
turn you into something that you're not. And that's not
what I do my whole man, I did put my
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money where my mouth is.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
I pay for this. These kids don't pay for anything.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
I take them to the opportunity's door and I knock
it down and it's been great.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
The response has been wonderful.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
You go to a place you all, we don't expect
you to know where Bulchem is, but that's my old club.
And I put a group of sixteen seventeen year olds
on a plane for one game, flew all the way
to Germany to play these and I explain to them,
this is what a professional environment looks like. And these
guys are going to try and hurt you if you
don't jump, so get ready. And we won the game
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for nothing, and their take on this and all the
scouts that were at the game, We're like, where the
hell do you find these guys. It's not that we
don't have talent, it's just that we don't know what
to do with it once we find it. And that's
that's part of the system systemic problem that we have.
But it's it's just nobody wants to talk about it.
Nobody wants to hear somebody say we meet fewer people playing.
(23:20):
Nobody wants to hear that.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
But it's the truth.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
One word answer here England or Argentina.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
England and I.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Know, I know it's okay.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Something's going on with Argentina.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Their lucks run out. And I loved you, Billingham, I
love it. Just do some research on the guy, the guys.
He's a great human being, and then we don't have
enough of them. So I'm root for that guy today.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Great to talk to you again, Eric, Great to talk
to you. I don't know if it'll be four years.
I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't know if that.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Well, I'm gonna be on the couch in a couple
of days with Todd figure it out.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Eric.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
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Speaker 2 (24:05):
We make way for the former host of ESPN's Around
the Horn, mister high energy, mister Dan, you'll smile.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Trying to go a different way these days. I saw
Kevin Fraser come in Hot. I am a founding member
of the Coming in Hot community.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
I saw Fraser on your show last week and it
blew my mind.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
And that was about Alexi Lallis. Yeah, the man's got
a family. That was great. That was good stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Are you coming on with a Kevin Fraser like topic?
Speaker 9 (24:37):
I mean, I learned something in the last week then,
and you should always allow yourself to learn things that
what I'm doing now requires different energy perhaps than what
I've done in the past. I did a first episode.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
With Rowdy Gaines. I've never met Rowdy Gaines.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
I started the episode I'm hugging a screen right to
show him that I'm.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Welcoming him and loving I mean, how do you hug
a screen?
Speaker 9 (25:01):
And then I'm going in big and so now now
you're getting this Tony, Dad, you're getting this Tony.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Yes, very relaxed.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I want the fold Tony you want. Okay, I can
give you the bull if you were doing around the
horn to death. Yeah, give me a couple of for
instances that you would be asking the panel like, well.
Speaker 9 (25:21):
I mean, I've seen two things. I love Baseball. I
love the Baseball All Star Game. We want to criticize
the Baseball All Star Game for being.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
This or that it is the best.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
By far of all the All Star specimens we're throwing
out there. And Sandlot would be an example. Okay, sandlot
sidebar in the middle of a gate. I loved it.
I thought it was great. So I would go around
the horn on that with the panelists. But for me,
when you're a sport, you are what you are, all right,
lean into the Schmaltz if you're the Midsummer Classic, right.
(25:53):
So other sports have gone with with the streamer of
the day. We've seen this even you know, let's bring
in five streamers co collaborate with us and we'll get
more views. No baseballs should be going into the Samlot.
You could tell me it was schmaltzy, schmaltz all the way.
That's your DNA. The opposite side of that is get
the streamer and that's like a vampire blood transfusion that
(26:17):
a life hacker is doing with a younger person. You
know that guy, Brian Johnson, you know he's getting the
blood of a twenty year old.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
You don't need that your baseball. You did it right, great,
enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But now you go from you went on around the
Horn where you're asking questions where you don't necessarily get
to give your opinion to now you have to have opinions.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Oh, I'm mammy.
Speaker 9 (26:38):
I'm not a take guy, though, Dad, I'm a prospective guy.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
I'm gonna be me.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
This is one of the things someone told me some
great advice when I was sitting there the day two
of the long summer I had, and it was your
first show is going to be great in your mind,
the twenty fourth one is going to be the better show.
So I went through five iterations around the world and
two point zero. I think I love Around the Horn,
and I really I love PTI and I'm proud of
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what that was.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
And I can do that again in the future.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
But right now, I wanted to be in a space
where I could be me a little bit more. And
that's not takes, but that is living in moments, and
that's where I landed.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
And I'm real happy in this space. I could do
this every day, you know, and I'm doing it weekly
right now.
Speaker 9 (27:24):
But I feel like, Okay, yeah, I want to relive
that moment that just came up in my feed.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
That's the that's the nugget of the idea, the colonel
of the idea.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Okay, I got my daughter's wedding coming up. Oh, in
a month from now.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
What are you dancing? What's the song, daddy, daughter?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Dad's I think it might be fly Me to the Moon.
Speaker 9 (27:43):
That's great, that's great. Well one two step, boom, boom,
you can end. I mean, your beautiful silhouettes. You gotta
work on a dip. Gotta do a dip.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I was gonna do. I was gonna do. It's getting
hot in here, so take off all your clothes, nelly.
But but I was told no, yeah, I'm I'm not
involved in it. I just said to my daughter, you
picked the song that you want, and you know, my wife,
you know, being Italian, you go Sinatra, you can't go wrong.
But here's what I want to get to. I have
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to take off a Thursday and a Friday leading up
to the wedding. Yeah, I don't know what you're doing
during the week. Well, I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Now.
Speaker 9 (28:23):
If this is an offer, you can't take this back,
then don't take it back.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
This is an offer you're saying it.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Do you want me to come in, because I'm gonna
have you. It's not a ten day contract. It's a
two day contract. Are you two.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Days or like any other humans ten days? So don't
worry about that.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Okay, but you could, you would come in and I'd
be honest.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
I've been I thank you very much, I happily and
and and yes absolutely last year when we last talked.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
So that's a verbal it's a verbal, agreeable commitment from reality.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
Okay, I told you I wanted to do that, and
I also told you another thing. I promised you something,
and now I have to admit to this. I wanted
to give you the mute button, a mu button. I
had four on the desk. Yeah, and this was this
was a plan that I had. And again, I'm in
my long summer and I'm expecting now to hear more
(29:18):
things about what's happening.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Never heard a thing.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
But what I did see was the mute button, and
the full desk was auctioned off at the mothership headquarters,
and someone else who happened to just bid for it
got the full desk, and I'm seeing it on X
on Twitter just come up, and I'm like, well, okay,
I was trying to carve that into pieces and give
(29:41):
it to people who mean something to the show and
mean something to me, And now I can't even give.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
You the mute button.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
The picture was like somebody had a hostage.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
It was in there.
Speaker 9 (29:53):
And I'm not blaming anybody. This is how, this is
how it's done, and that's how it's done. It was
a desk, but I was trying, how do you even
carve up a desk? But I would have been on it.
I know, I would have loved to bid on it
and give me some of the producers of the people
who's blood and sweat was in there?
Speaker 5 (30:08):
What he pages?
Speaker 7 (30:09):
You know?
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Uh, you know, it's blood and sweat was in that
mute button. So I'm gonna have to find something else to.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
Gift you, to gift you what I do it. It
won't be the mute button though. We'll have to be
whatever this next show is.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Okay, So that's gonna be a Thursday and Friday. I'm
breaking this news to the Dan Edge just to let
you guys know that Tony is gonna come in now
on that Thursday and Friday.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Ready for that, Paul, Are you guys ready for this?
Do something?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
We're ready.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
But you're a high energy guy. We mapped off our coffee.
You know you're mister positive.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Yeah, this is gonna be great.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
You gotta I know, I know exactly how to how
to I'm you know, yeah, I'm gonna take skuy now
when I do this, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (30:47):
Maybe we'll see what we're gonna be, but it's going
to it's gonna be absolutely what you guys do every day,
which is a little reality.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
It's I love it, Toddy, Okay with Tony, I love
that idea.
Speaker 9 (30:56):
Okay, Marvin, I'm gonna take you guys through some some
of the some of the mechanics of.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
What around the Horn was, and then also what this
new show is.
Speaker 9 (31:03):
I have some games that I have some fun in
the show that I want to want to see if
you guys are up to speed?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Marvin okay with Tony Oh, I'm ready?
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
New episodes released every Tuesday. So each week Tony and
a rotating cast of guests we'll dig into a single
iconic sports moment and explore why it still resonates. I'm
guessing if you had Rowdy gains On, the former Olympic
swimmer are we talking about Michael Phelps.
Speaker 9 (31:31):
Makes precisely that dame, And why would I? I mean,
I don't cover swimming. I don't swim. I know how
to not drown, is the line I said to Rowdy.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
You know.
Speaker 9 (31:41):
But the genesis of this of the show came to
me in that this video came up in my feed
and I started crying. So now I want to unpack that.
I'm not going to use this show as my therapy
chair every week, but just for the first episode, I
wanted to sit in a moment that and many moments
that are irresistible to me, and it's that moment. So
Phelps is the image that sticks in my head. But
(32:04):
I know it's not about Phelps solely because Jason Lezak
had the greatest split in Olympic history. But then I
know it's not just about Jason Lezak. So this is
what I'm kind of pulling on the thread. And it's
Rowdy Gaines's voice when he makes the call Dad, you
know how I love my, my, my play by play guys,
my anles, my, my, You're an idol of mine.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
The voice for me unlocks the full feeling.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
So I got to do something with Rowdy where Rowdy
played Rowdy and I played Dan Hicks and we read
the transcript of that and I heard it in real
time and Rowdy hasn't thought about this. I mean, I'm
sorry he's seen the video, but he told me, you know,
I haven't reenacted this ever. And he delivers the voice
he's tightening up speaking of the French swimmer of lam
Bernard and that even in that moment, it was like dwink,
(32:48):
a little bit of like wow, something got me. And
then he did it. He did it, So I unpacked
that moment. There's an inspiration. I love the podcast the
Rewatchables for the Ringer Network, and I had been mulling
on Rewatchables for sports. Why aren't we doing this? No
game is a big, long thing. I don't know if
I would want to rewatch the entirety of a game.
(33:09):
I would maybe in front of a live audience and
have some fun with that, but not for a full podcast.
But then you get to a moment and you can
rewatch that ten second clip.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
You could break it down by frame if you want.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
You can do that, and then you can go on
to all these different side quests during it, and that's
what the show is.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I never understood this, and I said this to people
in management, that I found you to be one of
the most talented people at ESPN. Yeah, and it was
like you weren't doing anything other than around the horn
and at the Mothership they usually try to have you
do other jobs. Now that could be, you know, budgetary reasons,
(33:47):
but still I was shocked that you left. Like I said,
you would have been my nominee for Jeopardy. I think
you instead of Ken Jennings. You would You'd be great
in that role. But I just never understood why the
Mothership didn't hold on to you and offer you something else.
(34:09):
Did Am I missing something?
Speaker 5 (34:11):
I don't think you're missing something. I don't think I'm
missing something. I don't even know if they were missing something.
Speaker 9 (34:16):
I'm a person who is fiercely independent in a lot
of ways. I loved being hands and fingers all over
one particular thing rather than you know, so, I mean,
this may not be the best business strategy. My wife
is now the CEO of my whole real ones media,
(34:37):
you know, and she's like, no, we're gonna Yes. I
can appear in different places, I can do many different things,
and I'm happy to be doing that. But but in
that particular moment, I thought that show deserved and I
thought I deserved giving everything I could to that.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
So I didn't I didn't appreciate.
Speaker 9 (34:54):
Maybe those other opportunities I didn't ask for them, and
they didn't come my way.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
I can be honest about that too.
Speaker 9 (35:00):
But the new landscape, so I got out of this
moment with the show, and you're living a moment. I've
said this before, I'll say it again because I love
the reference. I just want people to google it. There
is a Oscars where Will Ferrell, Jack Black, and John
c Riley sing a song about being the comedian at
(35:20):
the Oscars, the loneiest, loniest man in town.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
You know this?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
No, okay, well.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Let's we'll put it, we'll google it whatever.
Speaker 9 (35:27):
But they sing this very elaborate song, and it ends
with them trying to be funny and getting a date
with Helen Mirren. But at one point Jack Black asked
Will Ferrell in song, what did you think when you
took off your pants and you ran around, you know,
Talladega knights, and he delivers the line, I thought they
love me, you know? And what did you think when
you're a mutant Woody Page? I thought they'd love me.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
I I you know, I wanted to be loved.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
I'm somebody who wants to do that. Those calls didn't happen.
The industry was changing so rapidly, and I had to
educate myself. Dan, you'll see, or I hope you'll see
parts of me in the show that aren't podcasting.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
It's full on walk and talk. I'm taking that from YouTube.
I'm taking that from my.
Speaker 9 (36:05):
Own personal love of the good Fellow's shot, right, But yes,
it's it's that. So I had to realize podcasts were
getting the TV jobs, and maybe it was I the
last TV host? Was I the last John Wayne in
this town? I don't know if there's TV hosts in
the future, They just might be people who work on
digital who go back to TV.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
All right, so you're you're locked in for two days.
When I go to my daughter's wedd i'mknocked in correct. Yeah, okay,
it's a Thursday and Friday, and you know, and oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Busy, that's a great football season. Preseason. I'm gonna be
breaking down football.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
And if you have guests that you want to have
on on your show, you just go through Fritzy and
then Fritz. He will try to book people that you
might want to help you in these two shows.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
M okay, let's work that.
Speaker 9 (36:53):
Yeah, Kathy Engelberg, Fritzyn Why did I say that?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Wow, Well, she might come on to talk to you,
but probably not with me.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Dan, you are in you know, you know my thoughts
when I make a show like this.
Speaker 9 (37:09):
You know, I want to thank you once again now
that you've already offered me the chance to sit in here.
But you know I am still in all of what
you do here on the regular and I can't wait
to hang out with the the dan Nettes. You guys
can have new names.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
For two days. You can be anything you want. You know.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
He's Tony Reality, former host of Around the Horn and
the new show is Real Deal with Tony Reality every
Tuesday with new episodes. As he has rotating guests, they
dig into a single iconic sports moment and explore while
it still resonates. Thank you, ton Thank you Dan.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
I'll see I'll see the Danets in too. But enjoy
the enjoy the wedding, don't think about the show. It's
all right, okay, we'll clean up everything.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Afterwards, all right, thank you. That's Tony Reality.
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