September 11, 2025 • 42 mins
If you're a fan of The Conjuring, must listen! Madison Lawlor & Orion Smith (who play young Ed & Lorraine Warren in The Conjuring: Last Rites) join JoJo to talk about the movie, real paranormal encounters, favorite horror movies, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you love horror movies, specifically, if you love the
Conjuring series, you're gonna love this episode. I am so
obsessed with this, with this movie and the entire Conjuring universe.
And I went to the screening of The Conjuring Last
Rites and I met two of the actors, two young actors.
They play young Ed and young Lorraine in the movie
Ed and Lorraine Warren, obviously, and they were super cool.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And Oriyan told me that he's Jojo.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We had something happen on set that we think it
was paranormal. So at that point, I'm like, you guys
got to come in. You have to come in, So
we set it all up, recorded the podcast. Since the
podcast was recorded, the movie has opened, and this movie,
The Conjuring Last Rights, had the highest global opening in
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horror movie history. It beat out apparently it and they
may be even after saying this was the last one,
they may be working on a prequel. That's not confirmed.
I'm sure we'll find out, you know, soon enough.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
But this episode is called the con Juring Last Riots episode.
Enjoy Jojo on the Radio present Paranormal and normal. I
love this movie so much.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
The Conjuring Last Riots I'm a big fan of the
Conjuring series if you don't know, And I've got two
of the stars of this movie, Madison Lawler who plays
young Lorraine Warren and a Riot Smith who plays young
Ed Warren.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It's so good to see you guys. How are you great?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Thanks for having good Yeah, happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I'm man.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
First of all, we went to the screening they had
the Conjuring Last Right screening, which took place about a
week maybe week and a half before the release. That
was that screening the first time either of you had
seen the finished movie.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, it was surreal because we had seen like bits
and pieces going for like ad R and getting like
little tidbits here and there. But first beginning and end,
final cut, it was just a great Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
With all the the effects and the sound design and
the music and everything, it was epic. Also so fun
to see it for the first time with an audience
and see how everyone's reacting to all the different elements
in the scares.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It was some flast without giving no spoilers in this
but without giving you know anything away, what movie what
scene really scared you or did anything scare you? Because
since I guess kind of a different thing for you guys,
because you shot this thing for months, you know, is
my guess.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
But I mean there's one jump scare that comes to
my mind.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I don't know how I can describe it without giving
anything away. But they're at a haunted house, right, This
is the Smirl family haunting, right, And oh man, how
do I even say this? Pretty much, just when you
least expect it, you know, something's happening, and this is
like when everything's beginning to build and the family knows
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there's something going on, and there's just this like snap
moment where it's like, oh, yeah, no, something bad is happening.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It's all and it's all bad.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And then it's yeah, yeah, what scene got you well?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I mean, true to conjuring fashion, I feel like it
just ramps up in the last twenty five minutes. You're
just on the edge of your seat and I get
affected by all of that. It is extremely hard not
to give anything away. But the first thing that really
creeped me out was something that spoke I don't want
to say.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
What it said, something that's yeah, okay, yeah, this movie
is terrifying. I mean, I'm such a huge Conjuring fan
and speaking of just the Conjuring moves, not the Annabelle's
and the nuns. But out of the four Conjures, you
got to give credit to the original. That was just
a groundbreaking This is now my second favorite of the
Conjuring series. You guys did such a specifically you and
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the entire cast record, but you guys were just fun.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Not you are Ed and Lorraine, thank you. That's so sweet.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Hey, how digging into the story of the Conjuring itself,
how familiar were you with the Conjuring before you guys
got the part, or with the Conjuring universe in general.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I knew it like I had seen the movies.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I've always kind of followed Patrick Wilson's career and like
just like seeing the things that he's done, So I
knew of the movies. I didn't know pretty much anything
about the actual lore like the real Ed and I
hadn't studied their lives, So that was a big process
for me of seeing the parallels between the movies and
the real world after getting the party, I think.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Pretty similar for me, I had seen the Conjuring films
like once each and then also had not studied much
of the real Warrens, and then once I found out
I booked it, and also in preparing for the role,
then obsessively watched all of them and became obsessed with
the whole lore and the Warrens and the franchise and everything.
It's such an amazing it is such an amazing franchise.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I read that around you.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Maybe both you guys rewatched the entire Conjuring series after
you got it, like all of it, everything start to finish, right, Absolutely,
I done.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
I did the full rewatch for the screening, so I
went back and rewatched all the movies just a prep
to see Last Rites for the first time.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So yeah, yeah, is.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It true you guys didn't like when you guys auditioned,
you didn't know what you were auditioning for.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I think we knew it was Conjuring.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yes, we knew it was a Conjuring. I didn't know
what role I was auditioning for. You had an inkling.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Again, like I feel like I've had this connection with
Patrick because I get it. Like even in college, I
would get like, you know what actor you look like?
You look like Patrick Wilson. So I would be like, Okay, yeah,
I can roll with this. That's a great compliment. I'll
take it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, context clues you're like, uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, when you guys first got you know, and I
love these moments when you got the call or email
or whatever it was, who told you you got the
role and what was your reaction. Who's the first person
you told after you got this this crazy role.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
It was Michael who called and he was like, so
we want you to be young Lorraine. So Michael is
oh the director Michael shops. Yeah, sorry, I should have clarified.
He's like, so, yeah, I get ready to pack your
bags and come to London. And I was like, it's
very surreal. You're just I was standing in my kitchen
and I was like whoa wow, oh my gosh, thank
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you so much, thank you, thank you. And then I
think I immediately called my parents and I was like,
I'm going to be going to be in the next.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Conjuring Yeah, but they flipped down.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, they were super excited.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Oh man, yeah I got the call. Well, so first
my my agent text me was like, hey, you got
a second to hop on the phone. I was like, yeah, sure,
you know, I'm working out, but that's fine, Like I
can answer. And then I pick it up, and I
had no idea Michael Shoves was gonna be on the
other line.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And so he's there and immediately what's going on, Like
is this good news?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Is bad news?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
And then he tells me that I got the part
and that he's super excited and you know, we're gonna
film this thing in London, and I was super ecstatic.
A crazy thing that also happened was like ten minutes
before I got that call, there was an earthquake and
I think the earthquake was in like Pasadena, so it
wasn't like I wasn't in the heart of it, but
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the building was like shaking a bit. I was like,
this is weird, you know, I don't know what's going on.
Very conjuring, is very conunduring, Like it was really there's
been like these random things that happened throughout the whole process.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
There was just like just surreal. It was.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
It was surren for me. But then I think the
first thing I did, uh, was called my brother and
he was super excited. Yeah, we have a great relationship.
And then I think I ran three miles because I
was like, I don't want to do right now, too excited.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
That what a rush to get a to get that
call and then to you know, because I'm guessing in
your head, you've always thought when I get a role
like this, a major role, it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I'm gonna be jumping up and screaming.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And then and then you get the call and it's
like a normal phone call.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Hey you got the role. Oh cool, sweet, and then
you're like wait, wait what just happened?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, Oh my gosh, it's crazy. And I feel like, also,
you know, the scenes are really intense. So you get
it and you're ecstatic, and then you're like, whoa, Okay,
you got to lock in because you're you're you know
what you're going to be doing and you know what
it requires, and so you're like, oh, okay, we got
to prepare ourselves mentally, physically, emotionally to do it, and
it's it's sort of daunting.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I think also through the audition callback process, I always
try to like keep a little like, you know, whatever happens,
it's fine, it's all good. And then when you actually
get the part, you're like, oh, no, I've got to
do this kind of said, oh, this is real, this
is gonna happen. I better get working.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
By the way, the audition, I just I haven't done
as many auditions as you guys have, but they're just
I think they're the worst awful, right, Yeah, it's like
you're being well, you are being judged. You go in
there and you're there to be judged. Madison, when you uh,
before you started on the role, of course, you talked
to Vera, who plays Lorraine Warren.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Obviously, Yeah, you talked to Vera. What was her advice?
What she tell you about it?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I'm curious what she said, because not only are you
playing young Lorraine Warm, but you're playing the young version
of Vera's version of Lorraine.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
And she is just so incredible and so talented and
just amazing to watch and amazing as a human being.
And she's lived with Lorraine for so many years playing her,
and she has so much knowledge to share and to give,
and she really was just so generous and open with
that and very warm and like she just immediately brought
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me in for a hug and she's like, I see it,
you see it. She's just incredible, And you know, she
was like, we want younger, we want the younger energy.
So I can give you all the advice, I can
answer any questions, but also have ownership over this. You
have a different perspective and that's why you're here to
play them at the at the younger at the start
of their careers as the Warrens that we know.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And same question for you, because I know you love
Patrick obviously, yeah you do look like it. What advice
did he give you? What you guys talk about?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
We talked, so we went through pretty much the entirety
of our of my scenes as the younger version, and
we just went b by b and really the main
advice that he gave me walking away was that whatever
day you're on the first take, you've just got to
go all out and that'll kind of set the president
for the rest of the day to really just like
give it your all. Especially in the horror genre, you
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can't hold anything back. The stakes are as high as
it gets. Everything is heightened. So that was just a
great piece of advice. And then at the very end
he said like, yeah you got this, like trust instance, my.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
God, it was like whoa, yeah, I mean that's the
the uh. Once again not giving anything away. There's a
scene and this really has nothing to do with the
horror of them a birth, well it does. But the
childbirth scene, dude, that was both of you guys, but
Madison in particular, because you're giving birth.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
How do you how that looks so real?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It was very intense and exhausting, but we also had
so much support. There was a midwife there who has
worked on film sets before, who really talked me through
what it actually feel. I learned a lot more about
real birth being there, but she talked me through, you know,
where you're feeling things in your body at certain times,
what's actually happening medically, that's this emergency that's going on,
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where the breathing and the pushing comes from. But and
how to not hyperventilate and faint. But that also happens
to women as they're giving birth. So it was it
was just Yeah, it was exhausting and it was a marathon.
We shot that particular part of the sequence over multiple days,
so I was like, oh, what I really have to
do is figure out how to pace myself so that
I can show up a hundred percent when I need to.
But that was definitely yeah, I mean, it was about
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it was intense. It was intense.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
That was insanity, and we have a daughter, one daughter,
And I've described granted I'm just the dude, minimal role
in this, you know, but I've always described that as
a horror movie with happy ending, because.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It's a horror movie with a happy ending.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Would you agree with that or I don't know if
you have kids or not, but it's just scary, scary, scary, scary, scary,
greatest thing ever.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Only imagine. I don't have kids, but I can only imagine.
It must be strange standing next to this person that
you love and seeing them go through that that must
be really.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, well, I mean definitely, like through the scene and
through that whole process. She was really going through it,
like in an extremely impressive way. Being on set with
her and yeah, going day after day of just this
immense intensity was was really and really Yeah, the best
I could do was just, yeah, be there for her.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
In some ways, your your birth was worse because you know,
at least my wife's she get it was like one
evening for three.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Don't even have a baby somewhere.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Oh my god, all right, at the screening here, we're
gonna turn. We're gonna take a little left turn here.
Ryan told me at the screening. Something we'll call it paranormal. God,
I love this stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You guys know this.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, oh my god, something paranormal of sorts happened during filming.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
The floor is yours? Oh man, okay, okay, all right,
So pretty much the first.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Take of the first day. Do you recall what scene?
The first take? I know, sometimes you shoot amount of
order off.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
So this was it's the first scene that you see
in the movie.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Oh yeahs yes, the first scene. Yes, it was very communient,
the first scene you shot. Yes, yes, yeah, first see
we shot, and so we had we had already been
in London for a little while, so we had been
like going through hair and makeup and like test shoots,
and so it had been like already a week or so,
and this was the first day on set actually filming.
And without giving anything away, there's like a monologue that
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is very haunting, and at the moment, if you remember,
there's a door in the room, it's uh, yes, I'm
getting confused. Yeah, I don't think it's giving anything because
it's in the trailer, the door that we open. At
the moment we both look back without anyone in the
area or anything happening. There's complete silence and the door
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slowly creaks open by itself shut up, and everyone on
set was good. It was for per second, it was
just like silence, and everyone was like was someone over there?
Like was there a pa And it was like, no,
no one was over there. Nothing was happening, And so
it was like, this is the beginning of the conjuring
And I think we were early in the filming process too,
so I don't know if it was the actual first
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day of the entire production, but it was very early
in the process. It was like, wow, this is, in
an ironic way, the christening of the projects.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
So we locked the door with the like sandbag and
was like, all right, we just got to keep going.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I'm guessing somebody and the somebody has that moment, whether
that part is in the film or not, but somebody
probably has that door opening on film.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Maybe I think they do.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I'm pretty sure they do, unless it was the camera
spacing the other way, but it has to be somewhere. Yeah,
but it was crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
It was crazy.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
There's definitely footage of the take, like definitely of us
reacting to it. I don't know if the doors in it,
but there's definitely us what just happened?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, yeah, I wonder if they're like, you know, uh,
probably too busy to do research because you're filming the
biggest movie ever. But any gut feeling on what it
was or did the place have a history to it?
This set, Like I don't know if you're filming in
an old house or whatever, but we.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Were filming on an old airfield.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, in these relatively new stages on an airfield.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah yeah, so I don't know, Yeah, there's anything that
happened on the airfield, but it was Yeah, it was
converted to a studio, yeah, within the last five years
or something, So I don't know what was on the
ground or anything, or if it was just the you know,
everyone bringing everything in and you know, having that energy there.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, if that is the case, I bet you know,
and this wouldn't be the first time that's happened or
you know, reportedly having I bet you could go through
the contry the film and if you look real close,
and some fans will do this, I bet something might
pop up on screen like what is that I don't
remember that guy, I don't know that girl. Something to
throw out there for the for the conjuring fans, which
I'll be one of those doing that at this moment.
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Did that clearly you've already answered this question, I guess,
but let me put it out there again. Did it
seem like once that happened, did it seem like, Okay,
this is a different kind of movie.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Well, I remember initially when it happened, I was like, oh,
did the blocking of the scene change? Like, are we
you know? Is it supposed to? Like was that the
gag that I didn't know about and they're trying to
get our real surprise reaction? And then everyone was like,
oh no, no, no, that was not supposed to happen,
and it just felt yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
We were like whoa that was because it really was
like the perfect timing. The same thing crossed my mind
and it was like, oh is that a part of
the scene, Like that was so spooky, exactly what it
should be.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, hey, well you mentioned earlier family, your friend's reaction
to seeing I know your dad was there, Ryan, I'm
who you were with there.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I had some friends and I had my husband there.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Okay, gotcha, So what was his reaction? Friends in same
thing with your your dad? I want to get the reactions.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Okay, well, Nick, this is my husband's name. He is
the biggest scaredy cat of all time. The last time
I went and brought him to a horror movie, he
tweaked his next heart. He had to go to physical therapy.
I'm not joking, I'm not jogging. I got it was
something I remember with something about haunted photographs.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
God ring.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
It was years ago. It was years ago.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Wait, the ring was about a videotape. Okay, well I
have to look that up.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I about to look it up too, because I've thought
about it recently and I'm curious. But he's he gets
so scared and he's like this the whole time. And
he also hates seeing me in distress. And so for him,
he was having a hard time. He had to stuff
out a couple times because he needed a break. He's like,
I just need to reset. I need to go get
a snack because my I'm feeling insane. He was, Yeah,
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he was very affected. My friends. One of my friends
that I brought is the biggest horror fan that I know,
and it was so fun to sit next to her
because she was one who was like screaming and she's like, sorry, sorry,
and I'm like, no, it's perfect, it's perfect. But yeah,
I brought two of my really close friends and they
they loved it. They had a great time and they
were super proud.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I remember seeing Nick after the screening and yeah, his
energy was like oh that was a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah talking to it.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Same question for you. I know your your dad was
I'm not sure who else was with you. Maybe it's
just your dad, but what was his table and seeing
you know you in the mid and you guys as
a couple going through hell.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I mean I think, first of all, like he was
just stoked to be there, but I kind of because
he lives in Colorado and you know, we were this
is in La so I kind of just like tossed
it by him, like hey, like if you want to come,
you're welcome to And immediately he was like, I'm I'm
gonna book flights right now. So like him and my
mom like got online and booked him a flight and
he came down and I literally had to coach him
like okay, dad, don't scream, like don't shout my name
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when I'm on the.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Big scrip, like just just be calm, be good.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
And yeah he was and I think after the scene finished,
he like reached over to me and I was like,
good job or something. It was so like really he
loved being there and loved everything about it.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Did he get hied?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
His reaction when he gets like scared nervous is to laugh,
so like something freak you would happen, and then he'd
be like a.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Defense mechanism that happens. You know.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I'm like, yeah, hey, super random. But did you guys
realize at the screening? You know, they had all the
press kind of little highlights and you know, photo ops.
Did you realize that the priest was a real priest,
the one that was handing out the holy water?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
No, I was told.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I was told he was a real priest. Because I
walked over and I saw this priest, I thought it
was an actor. Hannaber said, thought like actor. Cool, cool,
you look like a real priest. Good for you and
all the holy water. To my understanding, he blessed it,
which makes it holy. I think I'm not Yes, I
mean I could be wrong, but that's what I was told.
But you know, you walk up and he said, what
would you like your blessing to be? And I was
just thinking, I'm talking to an actor. So I said
something dumb like bless me so I can make it
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through this movie.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Something like that. That was a real priest, I would.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Have said like, hey, give me something else other than
get through the conjuring did you guys?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I guess you didn't know.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I had no idea I heard.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I didn't know there was a priest there. I heard
that the holy Water was actually blessed, but I didn't
see the priest or meet him at all.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
I actually didn't even see the holy Water until you
posted it, and I was like, I missed the holy
Water and I missed the priest. It was.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I was like, wait, what, oh God.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
So now I'm thinking, if if that priest is listening,
I would like to get a redo because.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
He did, yeah, fact, to make it through the movie.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
So that's a good point. That's true. That's true.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
How you mentioned earlier about you know ed and Lorraine Warren.
Let's get to this part of it now, Edion Loraine,
you didn't know much about their particular history until you
got the part.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
You did a bunch of research.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
What can you tell me about what you learned about
the actual the real Ed and Lorraine Warren fascinating story.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
And it's so much there. I just think it's really
I am just so intrigued by their relationship and I
really feel like they were meant for each other and
learning about how they Yeah, they've faced so much skepticism
and certain levels of criticism, but they've been so steadfast
in their belief of each other and never once has
Ed questioned Lorraine's abilities, and like they've always just had
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each other's back. And learning about kind of their origin
was really wonderful and it's I don't know, I think
that their roots and their partnership, it just it's really
cool and interesting and they were Yeah, I just feel
like they were made.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
For each other. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Yeah, I spent a lot of time trying to research
like how they got into what they did, and like
it was it was kind of early on, like Ed
went overseas war and like Lorraine was here, and it
was while they were together that her clarity around the
clairvoyance became clear to both of them that she had
this ability and Ed was a painter for a long time.
That's something that I didn't know and they they hinted
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at it at a lot of in the conjuring movies
like he paints the None and he does these things.
But they would go up and knock on doors that
like Lorraine would know that the house on and they
would go up and knock on doors and be like, hey,
I'll give you this painting if you let us explore
this house, which was so interesting to me, interesting because
it is like before you have any credits, if some
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stranger walks up to your house and like, hey, can
I like, oh, I guess so.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Out No.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I did some research after because I didn't know the
painting part. I've known of Edon Lorraine for quite a while,
the Amityville Haunting on down. You know, I didn't realize
the painting was a part of it until doing some
research for you guys coming in. They started this paranormal research.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Thing way before.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It was kind of cool because now we've got just
fifty you know, reality shows, which I love them, all
about ghosts and paranormal Back then, there was nothing. They
were just nutcases, you know, they were perceived as just nutcases.
I assume you guys did not get a chance, or
if you get a chance, you should visit the uh,
the Edon Lorraine or the Warren Occult museum. I'm not
sure if it's available for visiting. I don't know, or
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maybe maybe I don't know. I don't know how to
get into it. I'm going to do some research on them. Yeah,
but have you guys taken the chance to, uh to
visit that or would you like to do that?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I totally would.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I I haven't had the chance, but I would love to,
even especially after getting so invested in these these characters
and these people.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I would just be so curious to.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Experience it's a real coal museum, because the real, the
real Annabelle Doll is, to my understanding, in that museum,
which in the movie is portrayed in their house.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I assume it's still in their house. I don't know.
Maybe it's a separate building. I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Didn't this is that comedian dude the Doll, didn't he?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I think he bought the house with it?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, wow. I think yeah he owns it
all now.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So it's a big question of what's gonna happen with everything.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Is he gonna turn it into like a joke or
is he gonna keep it kind of I hope not.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, same.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I hope he kens Yeah, true to what what it is?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You know, I hope so too.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
All right, Uh, do you guys believe in the Once again,
you probably kind of answered this, but do you believe
in the paranormal?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
What do you stand on that?
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I believe that there is much more than meets the eye? Right,
I think there are so many things that can't be
explained with what we have now, and so that was
in Lorraine's big thing was discovering what this is and
what's going on, and how to tell what's real and
to tell what's fake. So that's definitely where I hold
of I really don't know, and spooky things about like
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the door opening or even during filming, like I've had
nights where I couldn't sleep because I was so invested
in this the paranormal world. So I can't say without
a doubt in my mind there's something, but I know
that there's more than meets the same question to you.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, I think you worded that perfectly. I think I
feel very much the same way. And I think about
energy and the idea that energy is neither created nor destroyed,
simply transferred. I feel like that can mean so many
different things, And I feel like these energies exist that
we can't see but we can feel, and that can
come in a variety of different ways and be a
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lot of different things. But I also feel like I
don't know, and there are some certain things that have
happened that are so inexplicable. I think my parents had
something really interesting happened.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
This is my next question.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Go from oh, okay and my dad, I would say,
you're never going to meet a bigger skeptic than my dad.
I think my mom is more like spiritual, more of minded,
but my dad, this is a skeptic. And they were hiking
across the carry Way in Ireland. They're big hikers. They're amazing.
I love them so much. But they were hiking and
they were staying in these different airbnbs, these old Irish
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country homes, and there was one airbnb that they were
staying at and it just so happened that the room
was separated into two twin beds, so they each had
to sleep on a twin bed, and my dad woke
up in the middle of the night and he saw
my mom's bed shaking, and then he saw a woman
in a white dress outside their window and he was like, Okay,
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I must be dreaming, but I don't know what's going on.
But he went back to bed again, tried not to
think much about it. Again, he's the most skeptical person
of all time. The next morning, at breakfast, my mom
was like, gosh, I had the weirdest dream. And my
dad was like what, And she's like, I had a
dream that your bed was shaking. And then I looked
out the window and I saw this woman in white
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And my dad was like, I saw that. I had
the exact dream that she had a dream. My dad's
bed was shake So my dad woke up, saw her
bed shaking, saw a woman dressed in white outside the window.
And then my mom thought that hers was a dream,
but she saw the river. She said, I had this
dream that your bed was shaking, and then there was
this woman. Oh and it freaked them out and there's
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totally not like you know it was that. And then
hearing them tell that story to me, knowing them, I'm like, whoa,
it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Would you mind uh not now, but would you mind
asking them what that? What the airbnb was? Yeah, I
would love to do some research.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yes, I'll ask them. Yeah, Oh my God, Definitely, it
definitely shook them.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, that's a terrifying and hear that, hear that, and
you know they're not lying.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, yeah, like you've never met her parents, right, No,
but you can bathe like I believe I believe.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, I believe them too. I'm like, you wouldn't lie
to me? Yeah, they have no reason to lie and
that I feel like that was one story where I
was like, how uh it left me speechless?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, especially because they're you said, your dad such a skeptic.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
I think that's when it's the most interesting to me,
when it happens to a skeptic and it kind of
changes their perception on it.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Right, that's crazy. Has anything else happened happened to them?
Or is that their only experience?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I feel like that's the main thing in recent history.
But yeah, definitely to this day, my dad's like, I
don't know how to explain it, but it was very
weird and definitely yeah interesting, and they totally wouldn't lie
about it, so it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, I need to do some full on research on
that place. Yeah, to have two people experience something basically.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
The same, you can not talk about it till the
next day. I know, it's so interesting and I wish
you knew my parents so you'd know how it's very
out of character everyone.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
These days, wol get them to do this. Yeah, the
same question. Have you or anybody you know I ever
had anything paranormal happened to them?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
You know, nothing like that. I have not had anything
like that. I remember when I was a kid, we
stayed at the Stanley Hotel in Yes, Yeah, no way really,
how about that? Yeah, we stayed there and the whole
night we were like on edge because we were ready
for something to happen, ready for like, you know, our
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beds to shake or see something out the window. And
I remember waking up in the morning being like, didn't
get nothing happened. The place is so fascinating, is it
is an incredible story. And we did the like ghost
tour and everything too. Yeah, it's worth the trip if
you haven't been there yet.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Were you scared?
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I was scared? Yeah, especially because I was young. Yeah,
like was freaked out someone was going to happen for.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
People who don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And I would imagine most people that listen to this
podcast know all about that hotel, but that's the place
where Stephen King stayed at years ago, had an experience
which inspired on the right the Shining. But aside from that,
there's story after story after story that has nothing to
do with Stephen King of haunts in that hotel. I
mean I heard one story, and like every time I
say the story, I ramble, So I hope I can
kind of narrow this down. But a story about a
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lady that worked there for quite a while, worked until
she was, you know, pretty old, and one day she
one morning she came into work, you know, no big deal,
set high to a few people, pretty much normal day.
Then that afternoon they get a call that she had
passed away the night before. Whoa you look that one up?
It is, yeah, it's it's just crazy. From what I'm told,
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that hotel is beyond haunted.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It is.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I mean a lot of sciff happens in hotels in general.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
That's why I interview a lot of music artists and
I always ask them because they travel a lot tours
and hotels and a lot of these hotels have a history,
and I've heard some pretty wild stories. My next question is,
would you ever consider as you travel around and do
promo and you'll be just staying in hotels in general,
Would you ever consider requesting the haunted room and then
reporting back to me if you what happens. You know,
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because once again I'm not telling you to go stay
at the creepiest Cecil hotel downtown La God, don't even
go there. Yeah, but you know a lot of these
super nice hotels have the history. Don't stay in room
B three forty, that's a Queen Mary reference. Don't don't
go to the seventh floor, don't look in the mirror
in the women's room, you know, the women's restaurant. Would
you ever consider requesting the haunted room?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Well, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Maybe not with Nick.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I also think my imagination really can get the best
of me. I was saying, there's a hotel in my hometown,
Rapid City, South Dakota that's called the Hotel Alex Johnson
that is supposedly haunted. Haunted. The story there is apparently
a bride jumped out of the window and took her
own life and in room eight twelve. So theoretically I
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could have had the opportunity I suppose to request a
haunted room. But I think that I I think I'm
too scared. I feel like that energy. I'm like trying
to protect myself right now, I'm helping myself.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
That's a bad idea in general. I'm just throwing a
terrible idea. Just apologize.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I see you being brave.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I think I would do it for a night. I
don't think I'm going to stay a week in a
haunted room, no God, but if I especially, I don't
know if I have to be up early the next day.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Maybe not because I'll probably, but I would be curious.
I really would be down to do that. I may
though like it.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
At some point, I'll check with you your crazy team,
yeah and big shotan Angela, and see if we can
set something up to do a like a haunted property visit.
We were throwing around some ideas, Like me, the obvious
one would be to visit the Conjuring House.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
That would be special. You know, the hotel in your hometown.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
What's it called again, It's called the Hotel Alex Johnson.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Sounds like a nice place.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Or we could do something on the West coast here,
like the Winchester Mystery House in San Jose.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I was telling you about that. Have you heard about that?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I haven't.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
The Winchester Mystery house it is. It was built by
the Winchester family. I think her name is Sarah Winchester.
And her theory was, or what she was told was
because the Winchester family responsible for Winchester Rifles, and she
felt that she was responsible for a lot of deaths
because of what you know, rifles do. But they somebody
told her that she needed noise to keep the spirits away.
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So she had this house. She had the builders, the
construction team just keep building. So there's stairways that go
nowhere just ended in a wall or just it's just
a bizarre house.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
She had a.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Seance room, you know, it was pretty it's pretty wide.
And when she passed away, that's when the building stopped.
And they've used this, this house, this giant house as
like a tourist attraction. It's kind of like the Queen
Mary here in la or in Long Beach and they
give ghost tours too. It's it's awesome and very haunted
to my understanding. So I'm going to reach out to
them and beg if you're listening to this when Chester
miss after hours and just kind of spend the night there.
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See if you guys want to go to something along
those lines or the Queen Mary. We should do the
Queen Mary. Who knows where if.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
We're sleeping there, Yeah, I probably would do it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I mean we'll have a crew with this, yeah, spend
the night, all right? So to be continued on that, Yeah, whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
That is very interesting proposition.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Horror movies. I love horror movies, clearly. I would assume
you do too. You're in one other than the conjuring
Last Rites. What are your top four horror movies? Scary movies?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Want to go to one by one? Yeah, and this
any particular order, just for random.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Mine will be no particular order.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yeah, it's just kind of random because I feel like
I like them for different reasons. It's always hard to choose.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
And horror, Like I was telling her earlier, horror or
scary movies, it's your definition. Like some people say your
favorite scary movies. Some people will put like a not
not that it's scary, but like a beetlejuice in there,
just because it's in the horror family. So that's I
I can't accept that. I mean, okay, I don't need
to accept that, but I get that. That's yeah, okay,
you won't get kicked down the studio, get out of here.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Answer the question right. I'll start off with Hereditary, that movie.
I think I saw it on Halloween night for the
first time. That sounds like a gra and it was.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I was so scared I could not sleep that night,
the like final moments with I guess we can spoil it,
don't get.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, honestly, I was telling madismis. I know I'm a
huge scary movie fan, but I've been holding off on
seeing it. I guess I'm just trying to wait for
that perfect moment, which never Yes, yeah, but I've started it.
I'm like, no, I can't get distract with the phone
or this. I want to see the whole thing. Lights off.
I want to go because I've heard so much about it.
It's on this pedestal, so I don't if you don't mind,
don't spoil it. But I've heard it's also grief horror,
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which kind of that turns me off.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Yeah, I mean, I think Tony she's one of my favorites.
Her performs in that so good, incredible.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
The score that also is one of my favorites. But
I'll try to think of a different one. But the
score of that film is so good. Have you ever
listened to just this one? It's beautiful and haunting and
powerful and amazing. But the score of that movie. I
listened to that score pretty regularly. Reborn, that's one of
the names of songs.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
So both you guys are picking Hereditary as you like,
it's a cough.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Okay, you watch it at the Winchester. Oh, that would
be that would be something. Yeah, what a good idea.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Though.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
One of my favorite horrors recently is the Substance. Have
you seen the Substance?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Body?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Or The production design on that film is so phenomenal
and the cinematography. I really thoroughly enjoyed that movie.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah. The end, Oh, it just.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yes, and it is the perfect way. It just keeps
it has. I thought it had like a false ending
and then it kept going. I was like, oh, I
was like cackling laughing at the end because of how
extreme it was.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I was.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I really thoroughly enjoyed the ride of that film.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Okay, these are two movies I haven't I haven't seen.
I go back to you number two. I gotta go
with the Shining We've already brought it up. But the
Shining classic so good. Jack Nelson's performance. Just everything about
it is all time so memorable. Also saw it when
I was way too young.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Was scared I'll do it.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
I think the second time I was not, I felt
sleep and I woke up right when he's being the act.
It was like it was late because we would marathon movies,
so we'd watched like a bunch in a row, and
so this was like I don't know, yeah, two in
the morning or something, so we're all like barely hanging
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in there, and I wake up like right at the
moment when he's getting attacking with the acts, and I
was like, no, it was when he was killing the guy.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, And that was like the scariest
thing to wake up to because it was like immediately
I got shocked, like my entire body had this shot
of adrenaline.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
The thing that gets me in that movie are the
them twins. Yes, in the whole way, can play with us, Danny.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, incredible.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, but you got you're a second.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Okay, my second, I'm gonna go with Silence of the Land.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Oh my god. Yeah. Answer.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I remember the first time I saw that movie. I
think it was one of my first introductions to Jodie
Foster and I absolutely love Jodie Foster and Anthony Hopkins,
and it was it's just chilling, and I don't know,
I just think it's classic.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Three, I gotta go. This is a little bit outside
of horror. Shutter Island, Okay, right Island.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
That's a good one. It gets me.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
And I love like brain teasers. I love thinking about it,
the psychological aspects of it. And yeah, yeah the end
of that what is it to die a hero or
live a monster or something like that?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Great all time. Wow, you guys are thrown some good
ones here expected.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Okay, number three I will go with, oh gosh, the Barbarian.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah for sure. I haven't seen that one.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Was surprising to me. I just wasn't expecting where it
was going. And yeah, it was super good.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Ogain. You love the escalation and the end of the movie.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yes, and I like when there's a twist that I'm
not expecting because I think sometimes you're like, Okay, I
kind of feel like I know where this is gonna go.
I just didn't know. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
You should see that one yet.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Our last one is you know with Donnie Darko. Okay, yes, again,
just kind of sat with me for a while. That,
I mean, the rabbit, the like aspect of like losing mind,
like what is reality? All that stuff really just kind
of sat with me in a weird way.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
It's a creeper man, It's no, yeah, it's kind of
kind of yeah, totally recommend.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, okay, you're.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Trying to think of my fourth Yeah, tough one that
really changed. I was just I feel like the perfect
age when the first Paranormal Activity came out, and that
I felt like created this new genre of Well and
Blair Witch. They the found horror, found footage, horror films
was such a craze when I was really like the
perfect age to watch these horror movies and be extremely
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affected by them. And the first Paranormal Activity really scared me. Yeah,
it was, And I don't remember actly how old I was,
either in middle school, high school, and it was the
craze at the time, and so that one happened. In fact,
I got on that.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Crazy your your your famous publicist Angela is typed with
the lead actor of Paranormal Activity and she brings them
to K pop shows.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
We were just at a show the other day for
a group called the Rose and there walks in mister
paranormal activity and what the heck? Awesome, it's pretty cool
in my top four and you get it's one from
It's the Shining Oh yes, yes, no explanation number two,
The Original Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yes, oh yes, that's a great one.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah all right, I'm not really into you know, Slashers,
but I just love Halloween, the Original Halloween Michael Myers.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yes, and the fourth one.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
It's kind of a toss up with the Original Conjuring,
which is just god, I mean just and the sixth sense. Yes,
you guys mentioned twist and I did not see that
one coming when I was Yeah, that's such a good movie.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
That is great. Yeah, wow, oh man, that so many
mind Yes, it's hard to alright.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
As we wrap this up, The Conjuring Last Rights, I'll
tell you once again this is and this is a
huge compliment coming from me. This is this is my
second favorite Conjuring. Now, do you guys hear what was
that was that? Your stomach?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Alien? God?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
You got me sidetracked. Now, this movie, The Conjuring Last Rights,
I want to hear from you guys. How scary is it?
Why should fans go see The Conjuring Last Rights, which
is the final, to my understanding, the last of the
Conjuring universe, right, like, is there anything else going to happen?
According to what I heard at the screening, this is it.
Although they always say that and they make another one,
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but as of now, this is the last, the last Rights,
the last one.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Your thoughts watching people go see this movie, I think
it just delivers in so many ways. It delivers on
the scares and the fear factor and the message with
your mind, but it also delivers with yeah, Ed and
Lorraine just their whole story and watching them experience the world.
Delivers with giving callbacks to the other movies, and that's
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stringing back other people without spoiling anything. I think it's
just so satisfying. It's such a satisfying conclusion to the franchise.
And Yeah, fully think everyone should go and see it
if they get a chance.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Agreed.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I think that
this is the end of a really amazing era. And
I feel like the film does the Warrens justice, it
does the fans justice, it does horror justice, and it's
also I think so much more so than other genres
of film horror is the best to see in theater. Yeah,
and the sound the impacts is scared, the roller goes
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to ride, the people here with it's like a communal
experience and I think that it adds to it adds
to your experience. So I feel like this delivers on
all fronts and it's just epic and big and the
scares are big, and I think that it's Yeah, it's
fun to go with through friends.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
You know what I loved about this movie is at
the very end, during the credits, they had the home movies.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Of the warrants.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I thought that was just a cool, nice touch, and
so it brought so much realism because when you say,
like based on a true story and then you see footage, yeah,
it's so cool. That was I think that was just
a great way to in it. Just a grit and
it's not spelling anything obviously. And also one of the
other scenes I love. There's so many scenes.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I love when she's splashing the holy water in the
basement I believe it was, and.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
The steam comes Yes, yeah, exactly that.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
God, did you guys know random fact you guys probably
know this, But in the first conjuring the real Lorraine
Warren was in the movie.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, she was in the in the audience, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Right, he was speaking at ours. They were speaking out
of college, I believe, Yes, the audience I.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Even know if I did know that. Yeah, really, I'm
gonna have to.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Rere Yeah, all right, final question I promised this time.
What else can we see you in? Or is everything
top secret?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
I have a film that's premier out fantastic fast speaking
of horror, at the end of September. September twenty third,
a film I co wrote and co produce called Theater's Dead.
It's a campy whore. It's really fun. It's yeah, that's
next on the docket.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Love it.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Yeah, nice, Nothing to talk about here, but yeah, but
just working with my team, I mean, and you'l like
got a great manager. Yes, we're just cooking up some
new stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Huge.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Congrats on everything, and please keep in touch. And I
honestly god, I'm gonna throw something at you guys, and
if you can't.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Do it, we'll You know what.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I would love that let's figure out something to do
some haunted location and let's just go live the conjuring.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, I love that. Thank you so much for hanging
out with thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
At the end of every interview, fist bump to make
it official, I gotta lean over here, get.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Ooh, okay, here we go. There it is
If you love horror movies, specifically, if you love the
Conjuring series, you're gonna love this episode. I am so
obsessed with this, with this movie and the entire Conjuring universe.
And I went to the screening of The Conjuring Last
Rites and I met two of the actors, two young actors.
They play young Ed and young Lorraine in the movie
Ed and Lorraine Warren, obviously, and they were super cool.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And Oriyan told me that he's Jojo.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We had something happen on set that we think it
was paranormal. So at that point, I'm like, you guys
got to come in. You have to come in, So
we set it all up, recorded the podcast. Since the
podcast was recorded, the movie has opened, and this movie,
The Conjuring Last Rights, had the highest global opening in
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horror movie history. It beat out apparently it and they
may be even after saying this was the last one,
they may be working on a prequel. That's not confirmed.
I'm sure we'll find out, you know, soon enough.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
But this episode is called the con Juring Last Riots episode.
Enjoy Jojo on the Radio present Paranormal and normal. I
love this movie so much.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
The Conjuring Last Riots I'm a big fan of the
Conjuring series if you don't know, And I've got two
of the stars of this movie, Madison Lawler who plays
young Lorraine Warren and a Riot Smith who plays young
Ed Warren.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It's so good to see you guys. How are you great?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Thanks for having good Yeah, happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I'm man.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
First of all, we went to the screening they had
the Conjuring Last Right screening, which took place about a
week maybe week and a half before the release. That
was that screening the first time either of you had
seen the finished movie.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, it was surreal because we had seen like bits
and pieces going for like ad R and getting like
little tidbits here and there. But first beginning and end,
final cut, it was just a great Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
With all the the effects and the sound design and
the music and everything, it was epic. Also so fun
to see it for the first time with an audience
and see how everyone's reacting to all the different elements
in the scares.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It was some flast without giving no spoilers in this
but without giving you know anything away, what movie what
scene really scared you or did anything scare you? Because
since I guess kind of a different thing for you guys,
because you shot this thing for months, you know, is
my guess.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
But I mean there's one jump scare that comes to
my mind.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I don't know how I can describe it without giving
anything away. But they're at a haunted house, right, This
is the Smirl family haunting, right, And oh man, how
do I even say this? Pretty much, just when you
least expect it, you know, something's happening, and this is
like when everything's beginning to build and the family knows
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there's something going on, and there's just this like snap
moment where it's like, oh, yeah, no, something bad is happening.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It's all and it's all bad.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And then it's yeah, yeah, what scene got you well?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I mean, true to conjuring fashion, I feel like it
just ramps up in the last twenty five minutes. You're
just on the edge of your seat and I get
affected by all of that. It is extremely hard not
to give anything away. But the first thing that really
creeped me out was something that spoke I don't want
to say.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
What it said, something that's yeah, okay, yeah, this movie
is terrifying. I mean, I'm such a huge Conjuring fan
and speaking of just the Conjuring moves, not the Annabelle's
and the nuns. But out of the four Conjures, you
got to give credit to the original. That was just
a groundbreaking This is now my second favorite of the
Conjuring series. You guys did such a specifically you and
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the entire cast record, but you guys were just fun.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Not you are Ed and Lorraine, thank you. That's so sweet.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Hey, how digging into the story of the Conjuring itself,
how familiar were you with the Conjuring before you guys
got the part, or with the Conjuring universe in general.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I knew it like I had seen the movies.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I've always kind of followed Patrick Wilson's career and like
just like seeing the things that he's done, So I
knew of the movies. I didn't know pretty much anything
about the actual lore like the real Ed and I
hadn't studied their lives, So that was a big process
for me of seeing the parallels between the movies and
the real world after getting the party, I think.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Pretty similar for me, I had seen the Conjuring films
like once each and then also had not studied much
of the real Warrens, and then once I found out
I booked it, and also in preparing for the role,
then obsessively watched all of them and became obsessed with
the whole lore and the Warrens and the franchise and everything.
It's such an amazing it is such an amazing franchise.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I read that around you.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Maybe both you guys rewatched the entire Conjuring series after
you got it, like all of it, everything start to finish, right, Absolutely,
I done.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
I did the full rewatch for the screening, so I
went back and rewatched all the movies just a prep
to see Last Rites for the first time.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So yeah, yeah, is.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It true you guys didn't like when you guys auditioned,
you didn't know what you were auditioning for.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I think we knew it was Conjuring.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yes, we knew it was a Conjuring. I didn't know
what role I was auditioning for. You had an inkling.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Again, like I feel like I've had this connection with
Patrick because I get it. Like even in college, I
would get like, you know what actor you look like?
You look like Patrick Wilson. So I would be like, Okay, yeah,
I can roll with this. That's a great compliment. I'll
take it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, context clues you're like, uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, when you guys first got you know, and I
love these moments when you got the call or email
or whatever it was, who told you you got the
role and what was your reaction. Who's the first person
you told after you got this this crazy role.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
It was Michael who called and he was like, so
we want you to be young Lorraine. So Michael is
oh the director Michael shops. Yeah, sorry, I should have clarified.
He's like, so, yeah, I get ready to pack your
bags and come to London. And I was like, it's
very surreal. You're just I was standing in my kitchen
and I was like whoa wow, oh my gosh, thank
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you so much, thank you, thank you. And then I
think I immediately called my parents and I was like,
I'm going to be going to be in the next.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Conjuring Yeah, but they flipped down.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, they were super excited.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Oh man, yeah I got the call. Well, so first
my my agent text me was like, hey, you got
a second to hop on the phone. I was like, yeah, sure,
you know, I'm working out, but that's fine, Like I
can answer. And then I pick it up, and I
had no idea Michael Shoves was gonna be on the
other line.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And so he's there and immediately what's going on, Like
is this good news?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Is bad news?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
And then he tells me that I got the part
and that he's super excited and you know, we're gonna
film this thing in London, and I was super ecstatic.
A crazy thing that also happened was like ten minutes
before I got that call, there was an earthquake and
I think the earthquake was in like Pasadena, so it
wasn't like I wasn't in the heart of it, but
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the building was like shaking a bit. I was like,
this is weird, you know, I don't know what's going on.
Very conjuring, is very conunduring, Like it was really there's
been like these random things that happened throughout the whole process.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
There was just like just surreal. It was.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
It was surren for me. But then I think the
first thing I did, uh, was called my brother and
he was super excited. Yeah, we have a great relationship.
And then I think I ran three miles because I
was like, I don't want to do right now, too excited.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
That what a rush to get a to get that
call and then to you know, because I'm guessing in
your head, you've always thought when I get a role
like this, a major role, it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I'm gonna be jumping up and screaming.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And then and then you get the call and it's
like a normal phone call.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Hey you got the role. Oh cool, sweet, and then
you're like wait, wait what just happened?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, Oh my gosh, it's crazy. And I feel like, also,
you know, the scenes are really intense. So you get
it and you're ecstatic, and then you're like, whoa, Okay,
you got to lock in because you're you're you know
what you're going to be doing and you know what
it requires, and so you're like, oh, okay, we got
to prepare ourselves mentally, physically, emotionally to do it, and
it's it's sort of daunting.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I think also through the audition callback process, I always
try to like keep a little like, you know, whatever happens,
it's fine, it's all good. And then when you actually
get the part, you're like, oh, no, I've got to
do this kind of said, oh, this is real, this
is gonna happen. I better get working.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
By the way, the audition, I just I haven't done
as many auditions as you guys have, but they're just
I think they're the worst awful, right, Yeah, it's like
you're being well, you are being judged. You go in
there and you're there to be judged. Madison, when you uh,
before you started on the role, of course, you talked
to Vera, who plays Lorraine Warren.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Obviously, Yeah, you talked to Vera. What was her advice?
What she tell you about it?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I'm curious what she said, because not only are you
playing young Lorraine Warm, but you're playing the young version
of Vera's version of Lorraine.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
And she is just so incredible and so talented and
just amazing to watch and amazing as a human being.
And she's lived with Lorraine for so many years playing her,
and she has so much knowledge to share and to give,
and she really was just so generous and open with
that and very warm and like she just immediately brought
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me in for a hug and she's like, I see it,
you see it. She's just incredible, And you know, she
was like, we want younger, we want the younger energy.
So I can give you all the advice, I can
answer any questions, but also have ownership over this. You
have a different perspective and that's why you're here to
play them at the at the younger at the start
of their careers as the Warrens that we know.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And same question for you, because I know you love
Patrick obviously, yeah you do look like it. What advice
did he give you? What you guys talk about?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
We talked, so we went through pretty much the entirety
of our of my scenes as the younger version, and
we just went b by b and really the main
advice that he gave me walking away was that whatever
day you're on the first take, you've just got to
go all out and that'll kind of set the president
for the rest of the day to really just like
give it your all. Especially in the horror genre, you
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can't hold anything back. The stakes are as high as
it gets. Everything is heightened. So that was just a
great piece of advice. And then at the very end
he said like, yeah you got this, like trust instance, my.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
God, it was like whoa, yeah, I mean that's the
the uh. Once again not giving anything away. There's a
scene and this really has nothing to do with the
horror of them a birth, well it does. But the
childbirth scene, dude, that was both of you guys, but
Madison in particular, because you're giving birth.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
How do you how that looks so real?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It was very intense and exhausting, but we also had
so much support. There was a midwife there who has
worked on film sets before, who really talked me through
what it actually feel. I learned a lot more about
real birth being there, but she talked me through, you know,
where you're feeling things in your body at certain times,
what's actually happening medically, that's this emergency that's going on,
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where the breathing and the pushing comes from. But and
how to not hyperventilate and faint. But that also happens
to women as they're giving birth. So it was it
was just Yeah, it was exhausting and it was a marathon.
We shot that particular part of the sequence over multiple days,
so I was like, oh, what I really have to
do is figure out how to pace myself so that
I can show up a hundred percent when I need to.
But that was definitely yeah, I mean, it was about
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it was intense. It was intense.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
That was insanity, and we have a daughter, one daughter,
And I've described granted I'm just the dude, minimal role
in this, you know, but I've always described that as
a horror movie with happy ending, because.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It's a horror movie with a happy ending.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Would you agree with that or I don't know if
you have kids or not, but it's just scary, scary, scary, scary, scary,
greatest thing ever.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Only imagine. I don't have kids, but I can only imagine.
It must be strange standing next to this person that
you love and seeing them go through that that must
be really.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, well, I mean definitely, like through the scene and
through that whole process. She was really going through it,
like in an extremely impressive way. Being on set with
her and yeah, going day after day of just this
immense intensity was was really and really Yeah, the best
I could do was just, yeah, be there for her.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
In some ways, your your birth was worse because you know,
at least my wife's she get it was like one
evening for three.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Don't even have a baby somewhere.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Oh my god, all right, at the screening here, we're
gonna turn. We're gonna take a little left turn here.
Ryan told me at the screening. Something we'll call it paranormal. God,
I love this stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You guys know this.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, oh my god, something paranormal of sorts happened during filming.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
The floor is yours? Oh man, okay, okay, all right,
So pretty much the first.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Take of the first day. Do you recall what scene?
The first take? I know, sometimes you shoot amount of
order off.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
So this was it's the first scene that you see
in the movie.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Oh yeahs yes, the first scene. Yes, it was very communient,
the first scene you shot. Yes, yes, yeah, first see
we shot, and so we had we had already been
in London for a little while, so we had been
like going through hair and makeup and like test shoots,
and so it had been like already a week or so,
and this was the first day on set actually filming.
And without giving anything away, there's like a monologue that
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is very haunting, and at the moment, if you remember,
there's a door in the room, it's uh, yes, I'm
getting confused. Yeah, I don't think it's giving anything because
it's in the trailer, the door that we open. At
the moment we both look back without anyone in the
area or anything happening. There's complete silence and the door
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slowly creaks open by itself shut up, and everyone on
set was good. It was for per second, it was
just like silence, and everyone was like was someone over there?
Like was there a pa And it was like, no,
no one was over there. Nothing was happening, And so
it was like, this is the beginning of the conjuring
And I think we were early in the filming process too,
so I don't know if it was the actual first
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day of the entire production, but it was very early
in the process. It was like, wow, this is, in
an ironic way, the christening of the projects.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
So we locked the door with the like sandbag and
was like, all right, we just got to keep going.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I'm guessing somebody and the somebody has that moment, whether
that part is in the film or not, but somebody
probably has that door opening on film.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Maybe I think they do.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I'm pretty sure they do, unless it was the camera
spacing the other way, but it has to be somewhere. Yeah,
but it was crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
It was crazy.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
There's definitely footage of the take, like definitely of us
reacting to it. I don't know if the doors in it,
but there's definitely us what just happened?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, yeah, I wonder if they're like, you know, uh,
probably too busy to do research because you're filming the
biggest movie ever. But any gut feeling on what it
was or did the place have a history to it?
This set, Like I don't know if you're filming in
an old house or whatever, but we.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Were filming on an old airfield.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, in these relatively new stages on an airfield.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah yeah, so I don't know, Yeah, there's anything that
happened on the airfield, but it was Yeah, it was
converted to a studio, yeah, within the last five years
or something, So I don't know what was on the
ground or anything, or if it was just the you know,
everyone bringing everything in and you know, having that energy there.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, if that is the case, I bet you know,
and this wouldn't be the first time that's happened or
you know, reportedly having I bet you could go through
the contry the film and if you look real close,
and some fans will do this, I bet something might
pop up on screen like what is that I don't
remember that guy, I don't know that girl. Something to
throw out there for the for the conjuring fans, which
I'll be one of those doing that at this moment.
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Did that clearly you've already answered this question, I guess,
but let me put it out there again. Did it
seem like once that happened, did it seem like, Okay,
this is a different kind of movie.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Well, I remember initially when it happened, I was like, oh,
did the blocking of the scene change? Like, are we
you know? Is it supposed to? Like was that the
gag that I didn't know about and they're trying to
get our real surprise reaction? And then everyone was like,
oh no, no, no, that was not supposed to happen,
and it just felt yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
We were like whoa that was because it really was
like the perfect timing. The same thing crossed my mind
and it was like, oh is that a part of
the scene, Like that was so spooky, exactly what it
should be.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, hey, well you mentioned earlier family, your friend's reaction
to seeing I know your dad was there, Ryan, I'm
who you were with there.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I had some friends and I had my husband there.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Okay, gotcha, So what was his reaction? Friends in same
thing with your your dad? I want to get the reactions.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Okay, well, Nick, this is my husband's name. He is
the biggest scaredy cat of all time. The last time
I went and brought him to a horror movie, he
tweaked his next heart. He had to go to physical therapy.
I'm not joking, I'm not jogging. I got it was
something I remember with something about haunted photographs.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
God ring.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
It was years ago. It was years ago.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Wait, the ring was about a videotape. Okay, well I
have to look that up.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I about to look it up too, because I've thought
about it recently and I'm curious. But he's he gets
so scared and he's like this the whole time. And
he also hates seeing me in distress. And so for him,
he was having a hard time. He had to stuff
out a couple times because he needed a break. He's like,
I just need to reset. I need to go get
a snack because my I'm feeling insane. He was, Yeah,
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he was very affected. My friends. One of my friends
that I brought is the biggest horror fan that I know,
and it was so fun to sit next to her
because she was one who was like screaming and she's like, sorry, sorry,
and I'm like, no, it's perfect, it's perfect. But yeah,
I brought two of my really close friends and they
they loved it. They had a great time and they
were super proud.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I remember seeing Nick after the screening and yeah, his
energy was like oh that was a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah talking to it.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Same question for you. I know your your dad was
I'm not sure who else was with you. Maybe it's
just your dad, but what was his table and seeing
you know you in the mid and you guys as
a couple going through hell.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I mean I think, first of all, like he was
just stoked to be there, but I kind of because
he lives in Colorado and you know, we were this
is in La so I kind of just like tossed
it by him, like hey, like if you want to come,
you're welcome to And immediately he was like, I'm I'm
gonna book flights right now. So like him and my
mom like got online and booked him a flight and
he came down and I literally had to coach him
like okay, dad, don't scream, like don't shout my name
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when I'm on the.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Big scrip, like just just be calm, be good.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
And yeah he was and I think after the scene finished,
he like reached over to me and I was like,
good job or something. It was so like really he
loved being there and loved everything about it.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Did he get hied?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
His reaction when he gets like scared nervous is to laugh,
so like something freak you would happen, and then he'd
be like a.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Defense mechanism that happens. You know.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I'm like, yeah, hey, super random. But did you guys
realize at the screening? You know, they had all the
press kind of little highlights and you know, photo ops.
Did you realize that the priest was a real priest,
the one that was handing out the holy water?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
No, I was told.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I was told he was a real priest. Because I
walked over and I saw this priest, I thought it
was an actor. Hannaber said, thought like actor. Cool, cool,
you look like a real priest. Good for you and
all the holy water. To my understanding, he blessed it,
which makes it holy. I think I'm not Yes, I
mean I could be wrong, but that's what I was told.
But you know, you walk up and he said, what
would you like your blessing to be? And I was
just thinking, I'm talking to an actor. So I said
something dumb like bless me so I can make it
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through this movie.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Something like that. That was a real priest, I would.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Have said like, hey, give me something else other than
get through the conjuring did you guys?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I guess you didn't know.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I had no idea I heard.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I didn't know there was a priest there. I heard
that the holy Water was actually blessed, but I didn't
see the priest or meet him at all.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
I actually didn't even see the holy Water until you
posted it, and I was like, I missed the holy
Water and I missed the priest. It was.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I was like, wait, what, oh God.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
So now I'm thinking, if if that priest is listening,
I would like to get a redo because.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
He did, yeah, fact, to make it through the movie.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
So that's a good point. That's true. That's true.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
How you mentioned earlier about you know ed and Lorraine Warren.
Let's get to this part of it now, Edion Loraine,
you didn't know much about their particular history until you
got the part.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
You did a bunch of research.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
What can you tell me about what you learned about
the actual the real Ed and Lorraine Warren fascinating story.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
And it's so much there. I just think it's really
I am just so intrigued by their relationship and I
really feel like they were meant for each other and
learning about how they Yeah, they've faced so much skepticism
and certain levels of criticism, but they've been so steadfast
in their belief of each other and never once has
Ed questioned Lorraine's abilities, and like they've always just had
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each other's back. And learning about kind of their origin
was really wonderful and it's I don't know, I think
that their roots and their partnership, it just it's really
cool and interesting and they were Yeah, I just feel
like they were made.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
For each other. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Yeah, I spent a lot of time trying to research
like how they got into what they did, and like
it was it was kind of early on, like Ed
went overseas war and like Lorraine was here, and it
was while they were together that her clarity around the
clairvoyance became clear to both of them that she had
this ability and Ed was a painter for a long time.
That's something that I didn't know and they they hinted
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at it at a lot of in the conjuring movies
like he paints the None and he does these things.
But they would go up and knock on doors that
like Lorraine would know that the house on and they
would go up and knock on doors and be like, hey,
I'll give you this painting if you let us explore
this house, which was so interesting to me, interesting because
it is like before you have any credits, if some
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stranger walks up to your house and like, hey, can
I like, oh, I guess so.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Out No.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I did some research after because I didn't know the
painting part. I've known of Edon Lorraine for quite a while,
the Amityville Haunting on down. You know, I didn't realize
the painting was a part of it until doing some
research for you guys coming in. They started this paranormal research.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Thing way before.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It was kind of cool because now we've got just
fifty you know, reality shows, which I love them, all
about ghosts and paranormal Back then, there was nothing. They
were just nutcases, you know, they were perceived as just nutcases.
I assume you guys did not get a chance, or
if you get a chance, you should visit the uh,
the Edon Lorraine or the Warren Occult museum. I'm not
sure if it's available for visiting. I don't know, or
(21:45):
maybe maybe I don't know. I don't know how to
get into it. I'm going to do some research on them. Yeah,
but have you guys taken the chance to, uh to
visit that or would you like to do that?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I totally would.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I I haven't had the chance, but I would love to,
even especially after getting so invested in these these characters
and these people.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I would just be so curious to.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Experience it's a real coal museum, because the real, the
real Annabelle Doll is, to my understanding, in that museum,
which in the movie is portrayed in their house.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I assume it's still in their house. I don't know.
Maybe it's a separate building. I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Didn't this is that comedian dude the Doll, didn't he?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I think he bought the house with it?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, wow. I think yeah he owns it
all now.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So it's a big question of what's gonna happen with everything.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Is he gonna turn it into like a joke or
is he gonna keep it kind of I hope not.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, same.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I hope he kens Yeah, true to what what it is?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You know, I hope so too.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
All right, Uh, do you guys believe in the Once again,
you probably kind of answered this, but do you believe
in the paranormal?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
What do you stand on that?
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I believe that there is much more than meets the eye? Right,
I think there are so many things that can't be
explained with what we have now, and so that was
in Lorraine's big thing was discovering what this is and
what's going on, and how to tell what's real and
to tell what's fake. So that's definitely where I hold
of I really don't know, and spooky things about like
(23:05):
the door opening or even during filming, like I've had
nights where I couldn't sleep because I was so invested
in this the paranormal world. So I can't say without
a doubt in my mind there's something, but I know
that there's more than meets the same question to you.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, I think you worded that perfectly. I think I
feel very much the same way. And I think about
energy and the idea that energy is neither created nor destroyed,
simply transferred. I feel like that can mean so many
different things, And I feel like these energies exist that
we can't see but we can feel, and that can
come in a variety of different ways and be a
(23:40):
lot of different things. But I also feel like I
don't know, and there are some certain things that have
happened that are so inexplicable. I think my parents had
something really interesting happened.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
This is my next question.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Go from oh, okay and my dad, I would say,
you're never going to meet a bigger skeptic than my dad.
I think my mom is more like spiritual, more of minded,
but my dad, this is a skeptic. And they were hiking
across the carry Way in Ireland. They're big hikers. They're amazing.
I love them so much. But they were hiking and
they were staying in these different airbnbs, these old Irish
(24:11):
country homes, and there was one airbnb that they were
staying at and it just so happened that the room
was separated into two twin beds, so they each had
to sleep on a twin bed, and my dad woke
up in the middle of the night and he saw
my mom's bed shaking, and then he saw a woman
in a white dress outside their window and he was like, Okay,
(24:32):
I must be dreaming, but I don't know what's going on.
But he went back to bed again, tried not to
think much about it. Again, he's the most skeptical person
of all time. The next morning, at breakfast, my mom
was like, gosh, I had the weirdest dream. And my
dad was like what, And she's like, I had a
dream that your bed was shaking. And then I looked
out the window and I saw this woman in white
(24:53):
And my dad was like, I saw that. I had
the exact dream that she had a dream. My dad's
bed was shake So my dad woke up, saw her
bed shaking, saw a woman dressed in white outside the window.
And then my mom thought that hers was a dream,
but she saw the river. She said, I had this
dream that your bed was shaking, and then there was
this woman. Oh and it freaked them out and there's
(25:14):
totally not like you know it was that. And then
hearing them tell that story to me, knowing them, I'm like, whoa,
it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Would you mind uh not now, but would you mind
asking them what that? What the airbnb was? Yeah, I
would love to do some research.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yes, I'll ask them. Yeah, Oh my God, Definitely, it
definitely shook them.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, that's a terrifying and hear that, hear that, and
you know they're not lying.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, yeah, like you've never met her parents, right, No,
but you can bathe like I believe I believe.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, I believe them too. I'm like, you wouldn't lie
to me? Yeah, they have no reason to lie and
that I feel like that was one story where I
was like, how uh it left me speechless?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, especially because they're you said, your dad such a skeptic.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
I think that's when it's the most interesting to me,
when it happens to a skeptic and it kind of
changes their perception on it.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Right, that's crazy. Has anything else happened happened to them?
Or is that their only experience?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I feel like that's the main thing in recent history.
But yeah, definitely to this day, my dad's like, I
don't know how to explain it, but it was very
weird and definitely yeah interesting, and they totally wouldn't lie
about it, so it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, I need to do some full on research on
that place. Yeah, to have two people experience something basically.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
The same, you can not talk about it till the
next day. I know, it's so interesting and I wish
you knew my parents so you'd know how it's very
out of character everyone.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
These days, wol get them to do this. Yeah, the
same question. Have you or anybody you know I ever
had anything paranormal happened to them?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
You know, nothing like that. I have not had anything
like that. I remember when I was a kid, we
stayed at the Stanley Hotel in Yes, Yeah, no way really,
how about that? Yeah, we stayed there and the whole
night we were like on edge because we were ready
for something to happen, ready for like, you know, our
(27:05):
beds to shake or see something out the window. And
I remember waking up in the morning being like, didn't
get nothing happened. The place is so fascinating, is it
is an incredible story. And we did the like ghost
tour and everything too. Yeah, it's worth the trip if
you haven't been there yet.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Were you scared?
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I was scared? Yeah, especially because I was young. Yeah,
like was freaked out someone was going to happen for.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
People who don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And I would imagine most people that listen to this
podcast know all about that hotel, but that's the place
where Stephen King stayed at years ago, had an experience
which inspired on the right the Shining. But aside from that,
there's story after story after story that has nothing to
do with Stephen King of haunts in that hotel. I
mean I heard one story, and like every time I
say the story, I ramble, So I hope I can
kind of narrow this down. But a story about a
(27:50):
lady that worked there for quite a while, worked until
she was, you know, pretty old, and one day she
one morning she came into work, you know, no big deal,
set high to a few people, pretty much normal day.
Then that afternoon they get a call that she had
passed away the night before. Whoa you look that one up?
It is, yeah, it's it's just crazy. From what I'm told,
(28:10):
that hotel is beyond haunted.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It is.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I mean a lot of sciff happens in hotels in general.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
That's why I interview a lot of music artists and
I always ask them because they travel a lot tours
and hotels and a lot of these hotels have a history,
and I've heard some pretty wild stories. My next question is,
would you ever consider as you travel around and do
promo and you'll be just staying in hotels in general,
Would you ever consider requesting the haunted room and then
reporting back to me if you what happens. You know,
(28:40):
because once again I'm not telling you to go stay
at the creepiest Cecil hotel downtown La God, don't even
go there. Yeah, but you know a lot of these
super nice hotels have the history. Don't stay in room
B three forty, that's a Queen Mary reference. Don't don't
go to the seventh floor, don't look in the mirror
in the women's room, you know, the women's restaurant. Would
you ever consider requesting the haunted room?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Well, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Maybe not with Nick.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I also think my imagination really can get the best
of me. I was saying, there's a hotel in my hometown,
Rapid City, South Dakota that's called the Hotel Alex Johnson
that is supposedly haunted. Haunted. The story there is apparently
a bride jumped out of the window and took her
own life and in room eight twelve. So theoretically I
(29:26):
could have had the opportunity I suppose to request a
haunted room. But I think that I I think I'm
too scared. I feel like that energy. I'm like trying
to protect myself right now, I'm helping myself.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
That's a bad idea in general. I'm just throwing a
terrible idea. Just apologize.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I see you being brave.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I think I would do it for a night. I
don't think I'm going to stay a week in a
haunted room, no God, but if I especially, I don't
know if I have to be up early the next day.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Maybe not because I'll probably, but I would be curious.
I really would be down to do that. I may
though like it.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
At some point, I'll check with you your crazy team,
yeah and big shotan Angela, and see if we can
set something up to do a like a haunted property visit.
We were throwing around some ideas, Like me, the obvious
one would be to visit the Conjuring House.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
That would be special. You know, the hotel in your hometown.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
What's it called again, It's called the Hotel Alex Johnson.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Sounds like a nice place.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Or we could do something on the West coast here,
like the Winchester Mystery House in San Jose.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I was telling you about that. Have you heard about that?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I haven't.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
The Winchester Mystery house it is. It was built by
the Winchester family. I think her name is Sarah Winchester.
And her theory was, or what she was told was
because the Winchester family responsible for Winchester Rifles, and she
felt that she was responsible for a lot of deaths
because of what you know, rifles do. But they somebody
told her that she needed noise to keep the spirits away.
(30:50):
So she had this house. She had the builders, the
construction team just keep building. So there's stairways that go
nowhere just ended in a wall or just it's just
a bizarre house.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
She had a.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Seance room, you know, it was pretty it's pretty wide.
And when she passed away, that's when the building stopped.
And they've used this, this house, this giant house as
like a tourist attraction. It's kind of like the Queen
Mary here in la or in Long Beach and they
give ghost tours too. It's it's awesome and very haunted
to my understanding. So I'm going to reach out to
them and beg if you're listening to this when Chester
miss after hours and just kind of spend the night there.
(31:26):
See if you guys want to go to something along
those lines or the Queen Mary. We should do the
Queen Mary. Who knows where if.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
We're sleeping there, Yeah, I probably would do it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I mean we'll have a crew with this, yeah, spend
the night, all right? So to be continued on that, Yeah, whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
That is very interesting proposition.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Horror movies. I love horror movies, clearly. I would assume
you do too. You're in one other than the conjuring
Last Rites. What are your top four horror movies? Scary movies?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Want to go to one by one? Yeah, and this
any particular order, just for random.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Mine will be no particular order.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yeah, it's just kind of random because I feel like
I like them for different reasons. It's always hard to choose.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
And horror, Like I was telling her earlier, horror or
scary movies, it's your definition. Like some people say your
favorite scary movies. Some people will put like a not
not that it's scary, but like a beetlejuice in there,
just because it's in the horror family. So that's I
I can't accept that. I mean, okay, I don't need
to accept that, but I get that. That's yeah, okay,
you won't get kicked down the studio, get out of here.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Answer the question right. I'll start off with Hereditary, that movie.
I think I saw it on Halloween night for the
first time. That sounds like a gra and it was.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I was so scared I could not sleep that night,
the like final moments with I guess we can spoil it,
don't get.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, honestly, I was telling madismis. I know I'm a
huge scary movie fan, but I've been holding off on
seeing it. I guess I'm just trying to wait for
that perfect moment, which never Yes, yeah, but I've started it.
I'm like, no, I can't get distract with the phone
or this. I want to see the whole thing. Lights off.
I want to go because I've heard so much about it.
It's on this pedestal, so I don't if you don't mind,
don't spoil it. But I've heard it's also grief horror,
(33:10):
which kind of that turns me off.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Yeah, I mean, I think Tony she's one of my favorites.
Her performs in that so good, incredible.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
The score that also is one of my favorites. But
I'll try to think of a different one. But the
score of that film is so good. Have you ever
listened to just this one? It's beautiful and haunting and
powerful and amazing. But the score of that movie. I
listened to that score pretty regularly. Reborn, that's one of
the names of songs.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
So both you guys are picking Hereditary as you like,
it's a cough.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Okay, you watch it at the Winchester. Oh, that would
be that would be something. Yeah, what a good idea.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Though.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
One of my favorite horrors recently is the Substance. Have
you seen the Substance?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Body?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Or The production design on that film is so phenomenal
and the cinematography. I really thoroughly enjoyed that movie.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah. The end, Oh, it just.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yes, and it is the perfect way. It just keeps
it has. I thought it had like a false ending
and then it kept going. I was like, oh, I
was like cackling laughing at the end because of how
extreme it was.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I was.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I really thoroughly enjoyed the ride of that film.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Okay, these are two movies I haven't I haven't seen.
I go back to you number two. I gotta go
with the Shining We've already brought it up. But the
Shining classic so good. Jack Nelson's performance. Just everything about
it is all time so memorable. Also saw it when
I was way too young.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Was scared I'll do it.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
I think the second time I was not, I felt
sleep and I woke up right when he's being the act.
It was like it was late because we would marathon movies,
so we'd watched like a bunch in a row, and
so this was like I don't know, yeah, two in
the morning or something, so we're all like barely hanging
(35:19):
in there, and I wake up like right at the
moment when he's getting attacking with the acts, and I
was like, no, it was when he was killing the guy.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, And that was like the scariest
thing to wake up to because it was like immediately
I got shocked, like my entire body had this shot
of adrenaline.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
The thing that gets me in that movie are the
them twins. Yes, in the whole way, can play with us, Danny.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, incredible.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, but you got you're a second.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Okay, my second, I'm gonna go with Silence of the Land.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Oh my god. Yeah. Answer.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I remember the first time I saw that movie. I
think it was one of my first introductions to Jodie
Foster and I absolutely love Jodie Foster and Anthony Hopkins,
and it was it's just chilling, and I don't know,
I just think it's classic.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Three, I gotta go. This is a little bit outside
of horror. Shutter Island, Okay, right Island.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
That's a good one. It gets me.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
And I love like brain teasers. I love thinking about it,
the psychological aspects of it. And yeah, yeah the end
of that what is it to die a hero or
live a monster or something like that?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Great all time. Wow, you guys are thrown some good
ones here expected.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Okay, number three I will go with, oh gosh, the Barbarian.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah for sure. I haven't seen that one.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Was surprising to me. I just wasn't expecting where it
was going. And yeah, it was super good.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Ogain. You love the escalation and the end of the movie.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yes, and I like when there's a twist that I'm
not expecting because I think sometimes you're like, Okay, I
kind of feel like I know where this is gonna go.
I just didn't know. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
You should see that one yet.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Our last one is you know with Donnie Darko. Okay, yes, again,
just kind of sat with me for a while. That,
I mean, the rabbit, the like aspect of like losing mind,
like what is reality? All that stuff really just kind
of sat with me in a weird way.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
It's a creeper man, It's no, yeah, it's kind of
kind of yeah, totally recommend.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, okay, you're.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Trying to think of my fourth Yeah, tough one that
really changed. I was just I feel like the perfect
age when the first Paranormal Activity came out, and that
I felt like created this new genre of Well and
Blair Witch. They the found horror, found footage, horror films
was such a craze when I was really like the
perfect age to watch these horror movies and be extremely
(37:52):
affected by them. And the first Paranormal Activity really scared me. Yeah,
it was, And I don't remember actly how old I was,
either in middle school, high school, and it was the
craze at the time, and so that one happened. In fact,
I got on that.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Crazy your your your famous publicist Angela is typed with
the lead actor of Paranormal Activity and she brings them
to K pop shows.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
We were just at a show the other day for
a group called the Rose and there walks in mister
paranormal activity and what the heck? Awesome, it's pretty cool
in my top four and you get it's one from
It's the Shining Oh yes, yes, no explanation number two,
The Original Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yes, oh yes, that's a great one.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah all right, I'm not really into you know, Slashers,
but I just love Halloween, the Original Halloween Michael Myers.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yes, and the fourth one.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
It's kind of a toss up with the Original Conjuring,
which is just god, I mean just and the sixth sense. Yes,
you guys mentioned twist and I did not see that
one coming when I was Yeah, that's such a good movie.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
That is great. Yeah, wow, oh man, that so many
mind Yes, it's hard to alright.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
As we wrap this up, The Conjuring Last Rights, I'll
tell you once again this is and this is a
huge compliment coming from me. This is this is my
second favorite Conjuring. Now, do you guys hear what was
that was that? Your stomach?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Alien? God?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
You got me sidetracked. Now, this movie, The Conjuring Last Rights,
I want to hear from you guys. How scary is it?
Why should fans go see The Conjuring Last Rights, which
is the final, to my understanding, the last of the
Conjuring universe, right, like, is there anything else going to happen?
According to what I heard at the screening, this is it.
Although they always say that and they make another one,
(39:46):
but as of now, this is the last, the last Rights,
the last one.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Your thoughts watching people go see this movie, I think
it just delivers in so many ways. It delivers on
the scares and the fear factor and the message with
your mind, but it also delivers with yeah, Ed and
Lorraine just their whole story and watching them experience the world.
Delivers with giving callbacks to the other movies, and that's
(40:12):
stringing back other people without spoiling anything. I think it's
just so satisfying. It's such a satisfying conclusion to the franchise.
And Yeah, fully think everyone should go and see it
if they get a chance.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Agreed.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I think that
this is the end of a really amazing era. And
I feel like the film does the Warrens justice, it
does the fans justice, it does horror justice, and it's
also I think so much more so than other genres
of film horror is the best to see in theater. Yeah,
and the sound the impacts is scared, the roller goes
(40:47):
to ride, the people here with it's like a communal
experience and I think that it adds to it adds
to your experience. So I feel like this delivers on
all fronts and it's just epic and big and the
scares are big, and I think that it's Yeah, it's
fun to go with through friends.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
You know what I loved about this movie is at
the very end, during the credits, they had the home movies.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Of the warrants.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I thought that was just a cool, nice touch, and
so it brought so much realism because when you say,
like based on a true story and then you see footage, yeah,
it's so cool. That was I think that was just
a great way to in it. Just a grit and
it's not spelling anything obviously. And also one of the
other scenes I love. There's so many scenes.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I love when she's splashing the holy water in the
basement I believe it was, and.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
The steam comes Yes, yeah, exactly that.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
God, did you guys know random fact you guys probably
know this, But in the first conjuring the real Lorraine
Warren was in the movie.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, she was in the in the audience, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Right, he was speaking at ours. They were speaking out
of college, I believe, Yes, the audience I.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Even know if I did know that. Yeah, really, I'm
gonna have to.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Rere Yeah, all right, final question I promised this time.
What else can we see you in? Or is everything
top secret?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
I have a film that's premier out fantastic fast speaking
of horror, at the end of September. September twenty third,
a film I co wrote and co produce called Theater's Dead.
It's a campy whore. It's really fun. It's yeah, that's
next on the docket.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Love it.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Yeah, nice, Nothing to talk about here, but yeah, but
just working with my team, I mean, and you'l like
got a great manager. Yes, we're just cooking up some
new stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Huge.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Congrats on everything, and please keep in touch. And I
honestly god, I'm gonna throw something at you guys, and
if you can't.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Do it, we'll You know what.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I would love that let's figure out something to do
some haunted location and let's just go live the conjuring.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, I love that. Thank you so much for hanging
out with thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
At the end of every interview, fist bump to make
it official, I gotta lean over here, get.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Ooh, okay, here we go. There it is
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Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!
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