August 13, 2024 • 7 mins
We’ll have the chance to meet the legendary America's Cup and his security team!
They fill us in on the involvement of Formula One, how the race dynamics are always evolving, and the exciting new technologies making waves.
We also reveal how you can get close to the cup!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
With the John and Ben Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Cheers to Dilma making the world a better tea.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Lovely lovely to have you in here.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
You and and the America's Cup, which is constant saying
it's a lot bigger than you think it would be.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
It is. No one's ever said that to me.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Do you find that people do say that about the
America's Cup? The surprised with the size of it.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everybody says that, yeah, yeah, it is a spectacular trophy.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It is I would say, the size of a what
a four or five year old kid?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, but if you want to use the child measurement system, yeah,
for a five year old kid.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah. So how heavy is it? Because I imagine we
are where mere mortals. We can't we haven't won the
America's Cup? So how heavy is this thing?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Seventeen kilograms? Do you whip that.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Down to mister minute in the all and they do
the ingram the engraving or is there like a process
when when someone wins the America's Cup that goes to
a special engraver.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It goes to a very special engraver.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
That's right?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah, So am I right in saying that eighteen hundred
and forty eight or something when it was first made
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So the trophy was first competed for. The first race
was eighteen fifty one.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Right, Okay, so it's been around to the oldest trophy in.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Sports, oldest trophy in sport over one hundred and seventy
years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Is really it's a sight to behold and you're going
to be taking it around the country.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
That's right. So we're our friends from Toyota, New Zealand.
We're taking it to forty destinations around the country, from
Kitty Kitty in the north to Icargo in the south,
visiting sailing clubs, schools. Toyota stores the length and the
breedge to the country.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
That's very coose so people can get up close to
it and get a photo.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Awesome, Now you got you got a wonderful gentleman here
with white gloves on. Now you're it's his job to
carry it around.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
That's that's norm normally norm it's normal. Is he a
safe bare of hands?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Norm?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Norm is a very safe hasn't dropped it?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Dropped it once yet?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, I meased a huge responsibility for you.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Norm. Normal. Normal.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
It's like you could kill a man don't message, don't
the cap.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Well, and yeah, many people will be aware that it's
not going to be held in New Zealand this time.
Whereabouts is the next America's Cup.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
The next America's Cup is in barcel and what.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
They take it to Barcelona.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Because Barcelona offered to host it for us and by
doing that the team was able to raise enough money
to be able to hopefully successfully defend it. Nice, So
that's a little bit different this time. So this is
effectively the Cup going on. It's oe and we're doing
something different.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
But it's still a home race for us.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
We are still defending it, and so are their new teams.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
New countries entering this America's Cup that haven't been there previously.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yes there are, so there's teams from France before. The
Swiss are back with an.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
They had a linger.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, and what is different this time is they've brought
in the muscle of some of the Formula One teams
and Lingy have so they've got the Red Bull Formula
One team in thes have bought in the Mercedes Formula
One team, so they're putting enormous resource and horsepower and
Team New Zealand are working incredibly hard, so make sure
that they can do because it's changed.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
So much over I remember, you know, the early times
that I would watch it with the boats would seem
to go out.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I felt like they're out there for days. He probably wasn't.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
But now they've got a missing for six hours. We'll
find out who wins the joving.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
But now it's like Formula one on water, isn't it.
They had the little trampoline thing they had, but one
stage pedaling with their feet and legs as well. It's
so many innovations have happened over the last few.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Years, and the cyclers are back this time. But what
will be unique this time is the event will be
literally sailed off the beach in Barcelona.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
The design of the boat changes dramatically between one America's
Cup to the next. Do all of the teams competing
have to go? Okay this year we're going to allow
the cycling technology or could you have one boat that's
got cycling technology, one boat that's got a Formula one
engine strapped to the bottom of.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It, like could you have different boats or they all
have to be of the.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Same They're all subject to the same rule. And this
time it's a second generation of the boats we saw
here in Auckland. There are some minor modifications, like the
cyclaws are back, so all the teams will have those.
But I think a lot of the smarts are the
stuff that you and I won't notice, which is what's
going on within the foils and inside the boat and
the systems they're using to sail the boat. I think
(04:02):
that's where the refinement will be this time.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Is it going to be fast?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
How much faster can go?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well, the feedback we're getting is a lot faster than
last America, is a lot faster than the last America.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Because there's always a secrecy too, because no one wants
to sort of played their hand too early and the
technology and stuff that so how does all that happen?
Do they sort of sail when other people aren't watching, or.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
As I say, a lot of the technology and the
sophistication is what we can't see. It's inside the boats.
They can only build a certain number of foils so
they can see each other's, but they'll all be careful.
There's actually the preliminary regatta for the America's Cup starts
at the end of this month, and that will be
the first time that we'll see all the boats racing
together and actually start to get a feel for who's
(04:45):
fast and who's not.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well, that's very excited.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Are they mixed crews out there? Are there females aboard
any of the boats?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Not for the America's Cup itself, as I understand, But
what is different this time is there's two lead up regattas.
One is the Youth America's Cup and the other is
a women's America's Cup.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And they've got the same tech and they're still got
the cycles.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And so they're one design boats. Yeah, and that's designed
to build depth in the sailors that will ultimately be
able to sail in the America's Cup boats in the future.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
And so do they look to like Olympic athletes and
things because of like, if you've got cyclists, we're just
one goal. Multiple times the women did in France, that's right.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You know. In fact, you know Ta New Zealand has
ex Olympic cyclaws in their team.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Wow, it's very interesting. It's a crazy sport, isn't it,
And there's so much money behind it.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
It's wild, there is, and I think you know that's
an important point. It is actually more than a sporting event.
It's creating a team, it's the technology, it's the innovation,
it's the engineering as well as sailing a boat.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Because I guess you're in New Zealand, you know we
do such a great job of it, but you know
we're probably there's probably other teams with more money.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
What makes us so good at it?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I think it is that innovation. So, you know, one
of the remarkable things about what Emirates Team New Zealand
have done over forty years, less resources than anyone else's got,
has been able to be consistently successful. And that is
by thinking differently, being innovative, being creative, coming up with
ideas that no one else has and and and that's
something that I think we can all be very proud of.
(06:13):
And I think that's something that we aspire to is
as New Zealanders on the bottom the world, competing on
the world stage, is that ability to be innovative and
creative and come up with a smarter solution.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Do we have a big hand in making the rules
for this America's Cup given that we're the current cup holders.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
We do, But we have to agree with with what
they call a challenger of record which is a club
that acts on behalf of the challenging clubs and in
this type this case it's the Royal Yacht Squadron out
of England.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Because I'd be like, hey, by the way, no formula
one dudes, don't want to keep those in and allowed. Yeah, yeah,
and you get you to start five minutes after we start.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Oh well, thank you so much for bringing that. And
it's really an honor.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
They have America's Company yourself in the studio. Where can
people if they want to see it, as you said,
it's going from the top of the north the bottom
of the south, how can they find out where it's
going to be.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, the best place to go is our website which
is keywecup dot co dot nz it and that has
all the details.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
For the trip.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
And look at it now. I'm not we're not over
selling it. It's a remarkable It's a remarkable side, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
You're absolutely right. I mean this it is a spectacular
trophy and people can come and have their photo taken
with it, get up close and personal and actually just
see how much detail there is on the club. And
I don't know if you've noticed there, but it's got
the result of every race over one hundred and seventy
years engraved on the trophy.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
It's a pretty small engraving going on here.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
He like me to get the old Silvo out on
that thing, and there a whole bottle for polishing job. Yeah,
really remarkable. So you definitely go out and see this thing,
have a photo with it before it heads off. When
does it go overseas?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It goes to Barcelona towards end of September.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, carry on luggage, first class, first class.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I can imagine it would be first class. We're going
a first class bock. Well, thank you so much for
coming in. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Pleasure
With the John and Ben Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Cheers to Dilma making the world a better tea.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Lovely lovely to have you in here.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
You and and the America's Cup, which is constant saying
it's a lot bigger than you think it would be.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
It is. No one's ever said that to me.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Do you find that people do say that about the
America's Cup? The surprised with the size of it.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everybody says that, yeah, yeah, it is a spectacular trophy.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It is I would say, the size of a what
a four or five year old kid?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, but if you want to use the child measurement system, yeah,
for a five year old kid.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah. So how heavy is it? Because I imagine we
are where mere mortals. We can't we haven't won the
America's Cup? So how heavy is this thing?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Seventeen kilograms? Do you whip that.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Down to mister minute in the all and they do
the ingram the engraving or is there like a process
when when someone wins the America's Cup that goes to
a special engraver.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It goes to a very special engraver.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
That's right?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah, So am I right in saying that eighteen hundred
and forty eight or something when it was first made
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So the trophy was first competed for. The first race
was eighteen fifty one.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Right, Okay, so it's been around to the oldest trophy in.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Sports, oldest trophy in sport over one hundred and seventy
years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Is really it's a sight to behold and you're going
to be taking it around the country.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
That's right. So we're our friends from Toyota, New Zealand.
We're taking it to forty destinations around the country, from
Kitty Kitty in the north to Icargo in the south,
visiting sailing clubs, schools. Toyota stores the length and the
breedge to the country.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
That's very coose so people can get up close to
it and get a photo.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Awesome, Now you got you got a wonderful gentleman here
with white gloves on. Now you're it's his job to
carry it around.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
That's that's norm normally norm it's normal. Is he a
safe bare of hands?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Norm?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Norm is a very safe hasn't dropped it?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Dropped it once yet?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, I meased a huge responsibility for you.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Norm. Normal. Normal.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
It's like you could kill a man don't message, don't
the cap.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Well, and yeah, many people will be aware that it's
not going to be held in New Zealand this time.
Whereabouts is the next America's Cup.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
The next America's Cup is in barcel and what.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
They take it to Barcelona.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Because Barcelona offered to host it for us and by
doing that the team was able to raise enough money
to be able to hopefully successfully defend it. Nice, So
that's a little bit different this time. So this is
effectively the Cup going on. It's oe and we're doing
something different.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
But it's still a home race for us.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
We are still defending it, and so are their new teams.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
New countries entering this America's Cup that haven't been there previously.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yes there are, so there's teams from France before. The
Swiss are back with an.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
They had a linger.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, and what is different this time is they've brought
in the muscle of some of the Formula One teams
and Lingy have so they've got the Red Bull Formula
One team in thes have bought in the Mercedes Formula
One team, so they're putting enormous resource and horsepower and
Team New Zealand are working incredibly hard, so make sure
that they can do because it's changed.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
So much over I remember, you know, the early times
that I would watch it with the boats would seem
to go out.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I felt like they're out there for days. He probably wasn't.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
But now they've got a missing for six hours. We'll
find out who wins the joving.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
But now it's like Formula one on water, isn't it.
They had the little trampoline thing they had, but one
stage pedaling with their feet and legs as well. It's
so many innovations have happened over the last few.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Years, and the cyclers are back this time. But what
will be unique this time is the event will be
literally sailed off the beach in Barcelona.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
The design of the boat changes dramatically between one America's
Cup to the next. Do all of the teams competing
have to go? Okay this year we're going to allow
the cycling technology or could you have one boat that's
got cycling technology, one boat that's got a Formula one
engine strapped to the bottom of.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It, like could you have different boats or they all
have to be of the.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Same They're all subject to the same rule. And this
time it's a second generation of the boats we saw
here in Auckland. There are some minor modifications, like the
cyclaws are back, so all the teams will have those.
But I think a lot of the smarts are the
stuff that you and I won't notice, which is what's
going on within the foils and inside the boat and
the systems they're using to sail the boat. I think
(04:02):
that's where the refinement will be this time.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Is it going to be fast?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
How much faster can go?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well, the feedback we're getting is a lot faster than
last America, is a lot faster than the last America.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Because there's always a secrecy too, because no one wants
to sort of played their hand too early and the
technology and stuff that so how does all that happen?
Do they sort of sail when other people aren't watching, or.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
As I say, a lot of the technology and the
sophistication is what we can't see. It's inside the boats.
They can only build a certain number of foils so
they can see each other's, but they'll all be careful.
There's actually the preliminary regatta for the America's Cup starts
at the end of this month, and that will be
the first time that we'll see all the boats racing
together and actually start to get a feel for who's
(04:45):
fast and who's not.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well, that's very excited.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Are they mixed crews out there? Are there females aboard
any of the boats?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Not for the America's Cup itself, as I understand, But
what is different this time is there's two lead up regattas.
One is the Youth America's Cup and the other is
a women's America's Cup.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And they've got the same tech and they're still got
the cycles.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And so they're one design boats. Yeah, and that's designed
to build depth in the sailors that will ultimately be
able to sail in the America's Cup boats in the future.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
And so do they look to like Olympic athletes and
things because of like, if you've got cyclists, we're just
one goal. Multiple times the women did in France, that's right.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You know. In fact, you know Ta New Zealand has
ex Olympic cyclaws in their team.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Wow, it's very interesting. It's a crazy sport, isn't it,
And there's so much money behind it.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
It's wild, there is, and I think you know that's
an important point. It is actually more than a sporting event.
It's creating a team, it's the technology, it's the innovation,
it's the engineering as well as sailing a boat.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Because I guess you're in New Zealand, you know we
do such a great job of it, but you know
we're probably there's probably other teams with more money.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
What makes us so good at it?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I think it is that innovation. So, you know, one
of the remarkable things about what Emirates Team New Zealand
have done over forty years, less resources than anyone else's got,
has been able to be consistently successful. And that is
by thinking differently, being innovative, being creative, coming up with
ideas that no one else has and and and that's
something that I think we can all be very proud of.
(06:13):
And I think that's something that we aspire to is
as New Zealanders on the bottom the world, competing on
the world stage, is that ability to be innovative and
creative and come up with a smarter solution.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Do we have a big hand in making the rules
for this America's Cup given that we're the current cup holders.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
We do, But we have to agree with with what
they call a challenger of record which is a club
that acts on behalf of the challenging clubs and in
this type this case it's the Royal Yacht Squadron out
of England.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Because I'd be like, hey, by the way, no formula
one dudes, don't want to keep those in and allowed. Yeah, yeah,
and you get you to start five minutes after we start.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Oh well, thank you so much for bringing that. And
it's really an honor.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
They have America's Company yourself in the studio. Where can
people if they want to see it, as you said,
it's going from the top of the north the bottom
of the south, how can they find out where it's
going to be.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, the best place to go is our website which
is keywecup dot co dot nz it and that has
all the details.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
For the trip.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
And look at it now. I'm not we're not over
selling it. It's a remarkable It's a remarkable side, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
You're absolutely right. I mean this it is a spectacular
trophy and people can come and have their photo taken
with it, get up close and personal and actually just
see how much detail there is on the club. And
I don't know if you've noticed there, but it's got
the result of every race over one hundred and seventy
years engraved on the trophy.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
It's a pretty small engraving going on here.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
He like me to get the old Silvo out on
that thing, and there a whole bottle for polishing job. Yeah,
really remarkable. So you definitely go out and see this thing,
have a photo with it before it heads off. When
does it go overseas?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It goes to Barcelona towards end of September.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, carry on luggage, first class, first class.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I can imagine it would be first class. We're going
a first class bock. Well, thank you so much for
coming in. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Pleasure
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