September 11, 2025 • 22 mins
Hoy conversamos con la psicoterapeuta Michelle Hernández sobre el impacto emocional que genera el asesinato de Charlie Kirk en Utah. Hablamos de cómo manejar el miedo, la ansiedad y el enojo que deja una tragedia así, y de herramientas simples para recuperar la calma y la esperanza en medio de tanta violencia.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Santos Cricky Santos.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Podcast show Andrique Santo streaming live and Rique Santos.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Song.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I heard radio the car wherever you go, h So, Julio,
we got we got doctor Lisa coming in. We have
do we have a doctor? Okay, Damela Alemo, Michel, Michel, Rnandez.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
And young.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I heard the saptamente snado you ta the El Conserva
or Charlie kirk dam being yesque traves the el.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
What's up? Trero Cinco says Serro Cinco. Let's go what's up?
Like a get in the sogar, what's uprisinco.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Quadrisinco CROs qua quatro express and show the Santos I.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
See them experience and then why I want to say
jobs half or the lostmes told last Navia communication in
the moment to communication maas Ilma the lone quam has
(01:35):
for the cast and Dremo downtown for fail for really
and now I can flashback the local Passames Jr. Family
for Tuna Hava Cerca, the Most Commons and c TM
(01:58):
book when when p glasses.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
All, I went, Henrique and ye yourr you diego je
nor a mania yere Portal of the viral nature, the
(02:27):
the last senator yellow and lower and tender Como, the
funding is a tip the lazo and nollo loke no
no no no retrin so with thee nollo sak and
the the the lso no babu gardo the qual care cosa.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
There is a retrin hell.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
You know it's a name, isn't na cosa the a
senator because I turn with there to loe yeah, yea
video Kelvi, theoda Isabela and Friingo can they fund and
(03:15):
the the persona, the heracia a lo par and no
limit and lo telefono and losjo pera por confier and
losso dibo goza can know they went they.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Were you know they were they very Ye there they
were you know, yeah like ya and Lo tampion and
replay and repeat Sinato and person telefon gravando videos, joy
(03:51):
Yato can sando te ver video the alguin sindo as
a Sinado nandez MoMA and ham Como said Como conversation
could look at tam biendo Ma Daniel viog and repeat.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
And CaCO Enrique see for donamed look at ciendo tra
manojo se comboo younger person man So so primea Filago
(04:43):
ke persona canep the training ken Mano. They were the
red okay I go badanting person and to Savio sum
Mentain for Dante, Consumendo SMaL Nin Modulto, Counta verso not
importa di Pasando Loda da Verses and the Regio, the
(05:12):
La persona, Persia Melo you, Tela Violet Orlando, Conservatio, Mago
Hami Parentosna cannot be inn san Dio, Paciencia keet and
(05:35):
consumiendo you Canna persona kel Papa Murio and lost at
Semana and social support Dave la photo, the Lame and
Candela Condo kine to photo remember see remember Perdentoo, the
visiong se Humanong Familias r ke ke Con kirk Ca
(06:00):
Charlie Kirky, You're not Amilia. It is a course Attindanza, the.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Presaldo puntore, mid Persona.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Svent guadro and it was a year, the mill personas
present and Timpo real Elato, the Deri.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah are you know?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Madre and t prim Caro, theres like the La Cola
and videos ma Ra sangs. Kelly Keller recommended of Paris.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Tricky Santos podcasty Tricky Santos.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Podcast you know and tik prim caro. There is like
the La Cola and videos Kelly Keller recommend of Paris.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Primeric that like no permitted the lef you ness present
or received and from oyo come on and an elementary
(07:40):
at Yeah you're not born in thee lef and campus.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Is man ya is U call like that in your
own in you know, I helicopter parents that are on
top of their kids all the time, but not all
telling the helicopter perl terris is what I say. I'm
not saying helicopter. I was gonna say helicopter pilot, helicopter man.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
No so mamel called Roberto ok m ok l trauma
not trama, drama tan to Salaha and aquela the name
langue and social cosassa casa telephono, doo po como familiar
(08:42):
no lampar velto temple compressa coma traffic Okay, perro Carlos
capo tako ganquano perueno and.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Like telemamos.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
Thing, it's a converstion. You're going to see who get
to look in diendo po.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Contment what retto grand eCos, the oo, the poet.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
How can you be a cool mom and daddy at
the same time at tarcondo, not tar conical alejarativida lore
not informalo rosso.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
You know balancing.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Really, it's really.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
On hand blow our temple, the roadblocks and don't say
yellow and my ba you momento a minom teresos torminos
as it is on la regla, and you know buen
okay perro c see competa metro moucho like consumendo. It's
(10:15):
a era. She do not taungarging to popondents and take
tuck con contigo. Do you look at tapa sano like
young Quale, like mar like young argin, or like youngest
crena funda young com la la la hente see conger,
(10:41):
Oh no la manera kela silla sous sous forums call
the golm. They look to sid a long conte see
who's a super con conservatibo.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
It was top, you know, and the doctor Andrique when
(11:28):
when not the how are you pretty good than you?
Speaker 8 (11:31):
And when I'll tell you I'm okay pedro.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
This has really shocked me.
Speaker 8 (11:36):
Yesterday when I picked up my son, he said he's
only thirteen, He's like, Mom, did you see what happened
to Chris? And I'm like, you knew. He's like, yeah,
remember that. We always talk about him. But he's all
over social media obviously, and my son followed him, which
is which to me was like, wow, you know, I
worked for the government, so you know we are really
in tune. But okay, belto are you know in this connection?
(12:05):
Who Personamino la persona contend and okay, everything is different.
Look you know what I'm saying. And on top of that,
I keep telling people that when people go to the
doctor a cohero and wellness j k on one include La.
(12:30):
I said, you know, mal Mal, I see it every
day like I saw you. I work for the government
and if you people don't see what I see and
it's really really tough out here.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Well, thank you for thank you for what you do
in we interregended and mental in normally.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Henlo in on Mala no Manico Kurato com parl Berto mafasts.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
As Torris you canno, youn know the quwn You know
the qu.
Speaker 9 (13:15):
Come came to carl Look and my calat gang illegal wipers,
the chick gang illegal friend.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
When its system analysis and Alison to electrical and glad.
He's one of the aucho want the.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Tongue in prison your video singer I guando frien and.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
Sell.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Yeah the la hinting lost presidente your lgo comentario caminoament
not for cala hint not friend then is a pacal
for intente is here to camino. They have pa.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Clavis at punto Young not be there because among faces
of death. When I said yes, caud you face the death,
Tuad and manasall look at your prepara the co in
sen javang different.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Pantosa you I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yes, krea bereso no o o and the a formplo
et a a sinato hanplo perfecto that the kereas better
the time to feed it agin telemando po snado fai
dia and.
Speaker 9 (15:01):
Berta Ming navigated nowhere low but doesn't know no, brother
said Persas Young, Yeah, mc grand the idea.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Persona again.
Speaker 9 (15:17):
Quarter personall me there to know, No, do know what's like?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
What's the notch? You know? Persona commercas young and that's
the way to be part of it. Lady. I'm sorry
this lady there, ladies, Okay, what's.
Speaker 10 (15:40):
Up this is yes, good morning, que and I got
a topic about Charlie. I'm going they kill Yester? Yeah,
what you guys talk about him and him him? Why
you guys don't talk about the girl that got killed
on the train in New York going on the train.
I don't know where her, but the guy behind her
(16:01):
took a knife and stabbed her in his own video
and everything.
Speaker 11 (16:04):
Why they don't talk about her? Why do you talk
about Charty?
Speaker 10 (16:07):
The guy got money, that's why they talk about people
that have money, but the poor people nobody talks about.
Speaker 11 (16:11):
Nobody knows her, Nobody say nothing. But the guy Charlie,
because he's Trump's friend, is everything. That's what they talk about.
What the girl that lost her life on the train
going knows where? They don't talk about her. But it's okay.
That's all My concern is, why don't talk about her?
About her case?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Of course we talked about her chart CHARTI Charlie Burgersmirante
called the terrifian a train in Charlotte a young people
logo animalcy uh. He stabbed her people the suspect and
(16:52):
the federal stabbing of the Grania AAA and Charlotte's rail
system for Cargo's criminalisis the Carlos Brown Junior, Trenty Guadrons
on the Irna Zuraska on immigrante the gran right you
(17:28):
have from Ukraine, So negativa. So you met the t
and d a o no permo as not inclusive col Sir,
(17:49):
thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Santo Creaky Santos podcast and Santos Cricky Santos.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Podcast, Fernando go morning.
Speaker 12 (18:07):
And the Twin and I was on the twin Lario
Magati or raped nunca nunca m edo lo oas is
that do our comension to mate prado is loco eny
(18:33):
So perience a very view okay okay, okay video seeing
die glafensa perla and and d and the poco non
criminal looking off.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Cant pricipio show the conceos so recomo nos divida yes
Enrique alelante, Fernando and Coula.
Speaker 12 (19:00):
And Tosa and kua jes go vimos and gonna sell
back look you I have, I'm gonna sell back juans
a limos p okay Gama Lugaris is the him mysel
bamo como leone leoni no know how no no, what's
yeah it is and monan tero. The inside gets from
(19:22):
you my liver. The mundo no are you paying a monk?
I thought from your pi literature and no no no,
I thought remains before the look and yeah you're on
the winn of the road. The name of the veris
the name of the retro.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Memo, the.
Speaker 12 (19:38):
Ngo yeahlo for lecture, the gay ban Cristy and when
I fight that took a bas I mean like don't
so yeaho and cannot too okay here I'm not by
I c m locally into the convening or not like
cominga o you know notna like tremo.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
The coaches is.
Speaker 12 (20:03):
Trail nan totalment.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Alabas young and and serro manola condition as a technologia
alohavances lose, step backs pass and I know you Mana
is you know coma conditions. I said that causes redarku
(20:35):
tra courses. You look as the uta Fernandi and Si
Josh yes for you yeah, so many year so yata.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
All the memo is.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Co querra cosas totalmenten unto those omri kadina and and
and do it that can do more per prop But.
Speaker 12 (21:05):
Lin Regans is he at the time high school and
senior lu.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Sorry, but I'm sorry, no fast.
Speaker 12 (21:12):
Exactly, not fastive, not fast book and Carloman and and
then some persona penser I reaction for your mid Moss
reaction song Key Wokers. You know Trata sello os reactions
from positiva. You know how your com for Saki. You
see a forest Camino Oka ring can say can on
(21:38):
the hoween e k lokate prokopa okay you the po
car pero depended is no e contraltmoo okay you from
m one logo from muen some persona persona my you,
some person capa, I refer to the person of my
(21:58):
perosph me partic p la parte and me in the
cuela a part locating and look at Tarifa the course
mentor Camino. Yes, I met san.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
We went to.
Speaker 12 (22:19):
No pos Meicanomy on a show in Mexico.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Has As Fernando.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Senter Tricky Santos
Speaker 11 (22:33):
Podcast
Santos Cricky Santos.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Podcast show Andrique Santo streaming live and Rique Santos.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Song.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I heard radio the car wherever you go, h So, Julio,
we got we got doctor Lisa coming in. We have
do we have a doctor? Okay, Damela Alemo, Michel, Michel, Rnandez.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
And young.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I heard the saptamente snado you ta the El Conserva
or Charlie kirk dam being yesque traves the el.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
What's up? Trero Cinco says Serro Cinco. Let's go what's up?
Like a get in the sogar, what's uprisinco.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Quadrisinco CROs qua quatro express and show the Santos I.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
See them experience and then why I want to say
jobs half or the lostmes told last Navia communication in
the moment to communication maas Ilma the lone quam has
(01:35):
for the cast and Dremo downtown for fail for really
and now I can flashback the local Passames Jr. Family
for Tuna Hava Cerca, the Most Commons and c TM
(01:58):
book when when p glasses.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
All, I went, Henrique and ye yourr you diego je
nor a mania yere Portal of the viral nature, the
(02:27):
the last senator yellow and lower and tender Como, the
funding is a tip the lazo and nollo loke no
no no no retrin so with thee nollo sak and
the the the lso no babu gardo the qual care cosa.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
There is a retrin hell.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
You know it's a name, isn't na cosa the a
senator because I turn with there to loe yeah, yea
video Kelvi, theoda Isabela and Friingo can they fund and
(03:15):
the the persona, the heracia a lo par and no
limit and lo telefono and losjo pera por confier and
losso dibo goza can know they went they.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Were you know they were they very Ye there they
were you know, yeah like ya and Lo tampion and
replay and repeat Sinato and person telefon gravando videos, joy
(03:51):
Yato can sando te ver video the alguin sindo as
a Sinado nandez MoMA and ham Como said Como conversation
could look at tam biendo Ma Daniel viog and repeat.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
And CaCO Enrique see for donamed look at ciendo tra
manojo se comboo younger person man So so primea Filago
(04:43):
ke persona canep the training ken Mano. They were the
red okay I go badanting person and to Savio sum
Mentain for Dante, Consumendo SMaL Nin Modulto, Counta verso not
importa di Pasando Loda da Verses and the Regio, the
(05:12):
La persona, Persia Melo you, Tela Violet Orlando, Conservatio, Mago
Hami Parentosna cannot be inn san Dio, Paciencia keet and
(05:35):
consumiendo you Canna persona kel Papa Murio and lost at
Semana and social support Dave la photo, the Lame and
Candela Condo kine to photo remember see remember Perdentoo, the
visiong se Humanong Familias r ke ke Con kirk Ca
(06:00):
Charlie Kirky, You're not Amilia. It is a course Attindanza, the.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Presaldo puntore, mid Persona.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Svent guadro and it was a year, the mill personas
present and Timpo real Elato, the Deri.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah are you know?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Madre and t prim Caro, theres like the La Cola
and videos ma Ra sangs. Kelly Keller recommended of Paris.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Tricky Santos podcasty Tricky Santos.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Podcast you know and tik prim caro. There is like
the La Cola and videos Kelly Keller recommend of Paris.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Primeric that like no permitted the lef you ness present
or received and from oyo come on and an elementary
(07:40):
at Yeah you're not born in thee lef and campus.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Is man ya is U call like that in your
own in you know, I helicopter parents that are on
top of their kids all the time, but not all
telling the helicopter perl terris is what I say. I'm
not saying helicopter. I was gonna say helicopter pilot, helicopter man.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
No so mamel called Roberto ok m ok l trauma
not trama, drama tan to Salaha and aquela the name
langue and social cosassa casa telephono, doo po como familiar
(08:42):
no lampar velto temple compressa coma traffic Okay, perro Carlos
capo tako ganquano perueno and.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Like telemamos.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
Thing, it's a converstion. You're going to see who get
to look in diendo po.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Contment what retto grand eCos, the oo, the poet.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
How can you be a cool mom and daddy at
the same time at tarcondo, not tar conical alejarativida lore
not informalo rosso.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
You know balancing.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Really, it's really.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
On hand blow our temple, the roadblocks and don't say
yellow and my ba you momento a minom teresos torminos
as it is on la regla, and you know buen
okay perro c see competa metro moucho like consumendo. It's
(10:15):
a era. She do not taungarging to popondents and take
tuck con contigo. Do you look at tapa sano like
young Quale, like mar like young argin, or like youngest
crena funda young com la la la hente see conger,
(10:41):
Oh no la manera kela silla sous sous forums call
the golm. They look to sid a long conte see
who's a super con conservatibo.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
It was top, you know, and the doctor Andrique when
(11:28):
when not the how are you pretty good than you?
Speaker 8 (11:31):
And when I'll tell you I'm okay pedro.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
This has really shocked me.
Speaker 8 (11:36):
Yesterday when I picked up my son, he said he's
only thirteen, He's like, Mom, did you see what happened
to Chris? And I'm like, you knew. He's like, yeah,
remember that. We always talk about him. But he's all
over social media obviously, and my son followed him, which
is which to me was like, wow, you know, I
worked for the government, so you know we are really
in tune. But okay, belto are you know in this connection?
(12:05):
Who Personamino la persona contend and okay, everything is different.
Look you know what I'm saying. And on top of that,
I keep telling people that when people go to the
doctor a cohero and wellness j k on one include La.
(12:30):
I said, you know, mal Mal, I see it every
day like I saw you. I work for the government
and if you people don't see what I see and
it's really really tough out here.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Well, thank you for thank you for what you do
in we interregended and mental in normally.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Henlo in on Mala no Manico Kurato com parl Berto mafasts.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
As Torris you canno, youn know the quwn You know
the qu.
Speaker 9 (13:15):
Come came to carl Look and my calat gang illegal wipers,
the chick gang illegal friend.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
When its system analysis and Alison to electrical and glad.
He's one of the aucho want the.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Tongue in prison your video singer I guando frien and.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
Sell.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Yeah the la hinting lost presidente your lgo comentario caminoament
not for cala hint not friend then is a pacal
for intente is here to camino. They have pa.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Clavis at punto Young not be there because among faces
of death. When I said yes, caud you face the death,
Tuad and manasall look at your prepara the co in
sen javang different.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Pantosa you I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yes, krea bereso no o o and the a formplo
et a a sinato hanplo perfecto that the kereas better
the time to feed it agin telemando po snado fai
dia and.
Speaker 9 (15:01):
Berta Ming navigated nowhere low but doesn't know no, brother
said Persas Young, Yeah, mc grand the idea.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Persona again.
Speaker 9 (15:17):
Quarter personall me there to know, No, do know what's like?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
What's the notch? You know? Persona commercas young and that's
the way to be part of it. Lady. I'm sorry
this lady there, ladies, Okay, what's.
Speaker 10 (15:40):
Up this is yes, good morning, que and I got
a topic about Charlie. I'm going they kill Yester? Yeah,
what you guys talk about him and him him? Why
you guys don't talk about the girl that got killed
on the train in New York going on the train.
I don't know where her, but the guy behind her
(16:01):
took a knife and stabbed her in his own video
and everything.
Speaker 11 (16:04):
Why they don't talk about her? Why do you talk
about Charty?
Speaker 10 (16:07):
The guy got money, that's why they talk about people
that have money, but the poor people nobody talks about.
Speaker 11 (16:11):
Nobody knows her, Nobody say nothing. But the guy Charlie,
because he's Trump's friend, is everything. That's what they talk about.
What the girl that lost her life on the train
going knows where? They don't talk about her. But it's okay.
That's all My concern is, why don't talk about her?
About her case?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Of course we talked about her chart CHARTI Charlie Burgersmirante
called the terrifian a train in Charlotte a young people
logo animalcy uh. He stabbed her people the suspect and
(16:52):
the federal stabbing of the Grania AAA and Charlotte's rail
system for Cargo's criminalisis the Carlos Brown Junior, Trenty Guadrons
on the Irna Zuraska on immigrante the gran right you
(17:28):
have from Ukraine, So negativa. So you met the t
and d a o no permo as not inclusive col Sir,
(17:49):
thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Santo Creaky Santos podcast and Santos Cricky Santos.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Podcast, Fernando go morning.
Speaker 12 (18:07):
And the Twin and I was on the twin Lario
Magati or raped nunca nunca m edo lo oas is
that do our comension to mate prado is loco eny
(18:33):
So perience a very view okay okay, okay video seeing
die glafensa perla and and d and the poco non
criminal looking off.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Cant pricipio show the conceos so recomo nos divida yes
Enrique alelante, Fernando and Coula.
Speaker 12 (19:00):
And Tosa and kua jes go vimos and gonna sell
back look you I have, I'm gonna sell back juans
a limos p okay Gama Lugaris is the him mysel
bamo como leone leoni no know how no no, what's
yeah it is and monan tero. The inside gets from
(19:22):
you my liver. The mundo no are you paying a monk?
I thought from your pi literature and no no no,
I thought remains before the look and yeah you're on
the winn of the road. The name of the veris
the name of the retro.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Memo, the.
Speaker 12 (19:38):
Ngo yeahlo for lecture, the gay ban Cristy and when
I fight that took a bas I mean like don't
so yeaho and cannot too okay here I'm not by
I c m locally into the convening or not like
cominga o you know notna like tremo.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
The coaches is.
Speaker 12 (20:03):
Trail nan totalment.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Alabas young and and serro manola condition as a technologia
alohavances lose, step backs pass and I know you Mana
is you know coma conditions. I said that causes redarku
(20:35):
tra courses. You look as the uta Fernandi and Si
Josh yes for you yeah, so many year so yata.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
All the memo is.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Co querra cosas totalmenten unto those omri kadina and and
and do it that can do more per prop But.
Speaker 12 (21:05):
Lin Regans is he at the time high school and
senior lu.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Sorry, but I'm sorry, no fast.
Speaker 12 (21:12):
Exactly, not fastive, not fast book and Carloman and and
then some persona penser I reaction for your mid Moss
reaction song Key Wokers. You know Trata sello os reactions
from positiva. You know how your com for Saki. You
see a forest Camino Oka ring can say can on
(21:38):
the hoween e k lokate prokopa okay you the po
car pero depended is no e contraltmoo okay you from
m one logo from muen some persona persona my you,
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