February 20, 2024 • 11 mins
This study finds that of mothers of boys with gender dysphoria, more than 50% of them have borderline personality disorder.
Joe brought us this amazing article from the NY Times that explains this study from 1991.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I was so intrigued, but not the least bit surprised
to hear this. It's getting a fair amount of attention online.
Somebody you dug up a study from nineteen ninety one
which sounds like a long time ago, But if you're
in middle age, it doesn't seem like a long time ago.
At tall we had cars and computers, Nirvana, Nirvana, among
(00:21):
other things. But this study is published in the Journal
of the American Academy of Child in Adolescent Psychiatry by
a couple of female psychiatrists, showed that of mothers of
boys with gender dysphoria, which now, of course is all
(00:41):
the rage everybody's transgender now. Of those moms in nineteen
ninety one, more than half of them qualified as having
borderline personality disorder the mom the mothers, Yes, does that
not ring kind of truth? If you're not familiar with BPD,
I barely am. I've read about it so many times
(01:02):
and I still don't quite understand it. It's a personality
disorder characterized by a long term pattern of intense and
unstable interpersonal relationships, distorted sense of self, and strong emotional reactions.
Those affected often engage in self harm and other dangerous behaviors,
often due to their difficulty with returning their emotional level
to a healthy, normal baseline. They may also struggle with
(01:24):
this disassociation of feeling of emptiness and a fear of abandonment. Also,
there are many many mothers of transgender children in particular,
who are absolutely identifiable as suffering from or perpetrating munchause
in syndrome where they invent a malady or a disease
(01:45):
or a condition in their child, which then they are
a hero for confronting and helping the child overcome m
You see this with parents who convinced their kid and
shave their head that they have cancer and the rest
of it. Not just the scumbags who are raising money,
but or they poison their kid and then nurse them
back to health. It is a sick, sick sickness. But
(02:08):
the more you look into this, the more this rings true.
And interestingly enough, they talked to a practicing psychologist about
this and she pointed out yet another woman. I suspect
that if this study were conducted today, the results would
be similar, if not more pronounced, since fundamental motivators of
human behavior can remain thematically similar over time.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
But the social.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Incentives to have a non cisgendered child never use that term,
and are likely greater than thirty years ago. That said
a newer study. Well, anyway, what are you kidding by
a gazillion multiples? Right, it's more likely now it's super
hot and there's practically no downside to claim. Yeah, my
(02:53):
little boy is transgender because I saw him playing with
a doll once, and so I helped him to understand
he's transgender, and now I'm helping him transition, and they
get all the praises being a hero he's known since
he was six months right exactly. And so you got
the combination of borderline personality disorder in Munchausen's and you've
got this enormous incentive for crazy ladies to indulge in this,
(03:17):
which brings us to the New York crazy ladies.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
You say, oh yeah, I'll stand by that.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
New York man said his ex wife forced their young
son to transition from a boy to a girl during
their divorce, despite dad's protests that his son never wanted
to be a girl in the first.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Plast would I can't imagine hardly a bigger nightmare situation
than that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Six figures of lawyers. Years of battling, then he gets
the notice from school that his son, Jimmy whatever his name,
is now loosened.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Or what have you.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And although he still has visitation rights, he has no
say over the medical decisions. Cut to ironic Chase, a
year after the court battle ended, he says the now
nine year old is living happily as a boy quote
suddenly has no desire to be a girl, adding that
he's trying to get custody again, but he's teetering on bankruptcy.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
He never had a desire to be a girl. It
was a delusion, as mom pushed on him.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
No one ever considered the psychological impact of socially transitioning
a five year old boy. They had a treatment before diagnosis.
I will always love my son whoever he wants to be.
But this wasn't his choice. It was a choice. It
was forced upon him.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
God, you could convince a five year old of anything.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yes, absolutely anything, and it's on you, not them. Brief
note that Colorado lawmakers are weighing legislation to require the
state's public and charter schools to socially transition any gender
confused student by adopting that child's preferred name and pronouns
enshrining that and the law. And then finally, I'll continue
(04:53):
dipping in and out of this story as the weeks
to go by. The New York Times with a long
prominent peace entitled the Kids They thought they were trans
Now they no longer do, and they highlight quite a
few different youngsters who are rushed into this craze of
(05:14):
gender transition, a cruel and experimental set of procedures. And
I see the writers of this trying, and I appreciate it.
They're trying to drag their friends on the left along
without running them off, and so they phrase a lot
of the stuff in ways I never would.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Wow. You see them work. You think that's what's going
on at the New York Times.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
They've soured on this phenomenon, and they're trying to bring
along their woke friends. At least these writers and the
editors that approved the story are clearly doing that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Here's let me hit you with a couple of chunks
of it, and you can react however you want. They're
talking about this gal who's involved in the field for
a long time, founding psychologists of the first pediatric gender
clinic in the US, says when she first started to
practice in seven most of her patients had long standing
(06:14):
and deep seated gender dysphoria.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Transitioning clearly made.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Sense for almost all of them, and any mental health
issues they had were generally resolved through gender transition.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And this is one of the leaders in the field.
But that is just not the case anymore. As far
as I can tell, there are no professional organizations who
are stepping in to regulate what's going on. Most of
a patients, she said now have no history of childhood
gender dysphoria. Others refer to this phenomenon with some controversy,
as rapid onset gender dysphoria, in which adolescents, particularly tween
(06:46):
and teenage girls, expressed gender dysphoria despite never having done
so when they were younger. Frequently they have mental health
issues unrelated to gender.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So this expert, obviously one one hundred percent believes this
is a real thing in human beings, but just not
even close to the how often it occurs as it
is now.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
In fact, yeah, you would describe it as exceedingly rare,
and you should move very slowly and carefully toward any
medical anything. Then here's another guy, former head of the
Child in Adolescent Committee for the World Professional Association for
Transgender Health. So he's down with the whole transgender thing.
He said, I'm sorry, it's a she. You have to
(07:34):
take time to really assess what's going on and hear
the timeline and get the parent's perspective in order to
create an individualized treatment plan. Many providers are completely missing
that step. So these are like to heavyweights of the field, screaming, whoa.
These are kids who have made like a quickie decision,
(07:56):
and you're rushing them through a process that ought to
be extremely slow and careful. Where is the other part
that I wanted to highlight? Oh this do you want
a dead son or a live daughter?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Talking about that whole it's a trope. It's a dishonest
trope of the You've got to do this or they'll
kill themselves. It's emotional blackmail. Yeah, you're right, and they
go into a fair amount of detail. How that's utterly
not borne out by the by the data, and it
is causing people to do the very things we were
just talking about. You shouldn't do rush through things without
(08:34):
a history without addressing the other emotional problems.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
And it's they.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Pile evidence on evidence, testimony on testimony.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
In The New York Times, this is an.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Iron clad and heavy weight argument against the current situation.
And I haven't seen it echoed. I have not seen
it reprinted. I have not seen it quoted. Here's the
I'll end the screen in a second, but I wanted
to hit you with this. I finally found it. Progressives
often portrayed the heated debate over childhood transgender care is
(09:11):
a clash between those who are trying to help growing
numbers of children who express what they believe their genders
to be, and conservative politicians who won't let kids be themselves.
But writes The New York Freaking Times, right wing demagogues
are not the only ones who have inflamed this debate. Yeah,
excuse me if I think cruel, misguided, permanent medical experiments
(09:34):
are being run on little children by ideological extremists, and
I'm speaking out forcefully against it, I don't think that's
demagogging anything. I don't think I'm demagogging when I say
don't starve and burn your children with cigarette butts. I
don't think i'm demagogging anything. When I say, don't beat
your child anyway. Transgender activists have push their own ideological extremists,
(10:00):
especially by pressing for a treatment orthodoxy that has faced
increased scrutiny in recent years. Under that model of care,
clinicians are expected to affirm a young person's assertion of
gender identity and even provide medical treatment before or even
without exploring other possible causes of distress. This case is closed, friends,
(10:21):
It's closed for anybody, including for the love of the
journalism the New York Times. It's closed for anybody who's
willing to honestly confront it.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
That's interesting. I haven't heard about this. Seems like a
big deal. You'd think it would have echoed like crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
You'd think it'd be you know, reprinted and discussed all
over the place. But no, that's how strong the Dei
orthodoxy is right now. That's how much mind share and
fear they have generated in people and or your soft
heads for some he's in a picture of the chicks
on the view popped into my head, perhaps because they're
the ultimate example of this, you know, borderline stupidity disorder,
(11:09):
where they have been so convinced sheeplike as they are
that to be a good person, you advocate for gender
affirm and care. That they can't even hear even their
own ideological brethren say this is.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
A huge mistake. This is terrible, and it is terrible.
End of screen
I was so intrigued, but not the least bit surprised
to hear this. It's getting a fair amount of attention online.
Somebody you dug up a study from nineteen ninety one
which sounds like a long time ago, But if you're
in middle age, it doesn't seem like a long time ago.
At tall we had cars and computers, Nirvana, Nirvana, among
(00:21):
other things. But this study is published in the Journal
of the American Academy of Child in Adolescent Psychiatry by
a couple of female psychiatrists, showed that of mothers of
boys with gender dysphoria, which now, of course is all
(00:41):
the rage everybody's transgender now. Of those moms in nineteen
ninety one, more than half of them qualified as having
borderline personality disorder the mom the mothers, Yes, does that
not ring kind of truth? If you're not familiar with BPD,
I barely am. I've read about it so many times
(01:02):
and I still don't quite understand it. It's a personality
disorder characterized by a long term pattern of intense and
unstable interpersonal relationships, distorted sense of self, and strong emotional reactions.
Those affected often engage in self harm and other dangerous behaviors,
often due to their difficulty with returning their emotional level
to a healthy, normal baseline. They may also struggle with
(01:24):
this disassociation of feeling of emptiness and a fear of abandonment. Also,
there are many many mothers of transgender children in particular,
who are absolutely identifiable as suffering from or perpetrating munchause
in syndrome where they invent a malady or a disease
(01:45):
or a condition in their child, which then they are
a hero for confronting and helping the child overcome m
You see this with parents who convinced their kid and
shave their head that they have cancer and the rest
of it. Not just the scumbags who are raising money,
but or they poison their kid and then nurse them
back to health. It is a sick, sick sickness. But
(02:08):
the more you look into this, the more this rings true.
And interestingly enough, they talked to a practicing psychologist about
this and she pointed out yet another woman. I suspect
that if this study were conducted today, the results would
be similar, if not more pronounced, since fundamental motivators of
human behavior can remain thematically similar over time.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
But the social.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Incentives to have a non cisgendered child never use that term,
and are likely greater than thirty years ago. That said
a newer study. Well, anyway, what are you kidding by
a gazillion multiples? Right, it's more likely now it's super
hot and there's practically no downside to claim. Yeah, my
(02:53):
little boy is transgender because I saw him playing with
a doll once, and so I helped him to understand
he's transgender, and now I'm helping him transition, and they
get all the praises being a hero he's known since
he was six months right exactly. And so you got
the combination of borderline personality disorder in Munchausen's and you've
got this enormous incentive for crazy ladies to indulge in this,
(03:17):
which brings us to the New York crazy ladies.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
You say, oh yeah, I'll stand by that.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
New York man said his ex wife forced their young
son to transition from a boy to a girl during
their divorce, despite dad's protests that his son never wanted
to be a girl in the first.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Plast would I can't imagine hardly a bigger nightmare situation
than that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Six figures of lawyers. Years of battling, then he gets
the notice from school that his son, Jimmy whatever his name,
is now loosened.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Or what have you.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And although he still has visitation rights, he has no
say over the medical decisions. Cut to ironic Chase, a
year after the court battle ended, he says the now
nine year old is living happily as a boy quote
suddenly has no desire to be a girl, adding that
he's trying to get custody again, but he's teetering on bankruptcy.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
He never had a desire to be a girl. It
was a delusion, as mom pushed on him.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
No one ever considered the psychological impact of socially transitioning
a five year old boy. They had a treatment before diagnosis.
I will always love my son whoever he wants to be.
But this wasn't his choice. It was a choice. It
was forced upon him.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
God, you could convince a five year old of anything.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yes, absolutely anything, and it's on you, not them. Brief
note that Colorado lawmakers are weighing legislation to require the
state's public and charter schools to socially transition any gender
confused student by adopting that child's preferred name and pronouns
enshrining that and the law. And then finally, I'll continue
(04:53):
dipping in and out of this story as the weeks
to go by. The New York Times with a long
prominent peace entitled the Kids They thought they were trans
Now they no longer do, and they highlight quite a
few different youngsters who are rushed into this craze of
(05:14):
gender transition, a cruel and experimental set of procedures. And
I see the writers of this trying, and I appreciate it.
They're trying to drag their friends on the left along
without running them off, and so they phrase a lot
of the stuff in ways I never would.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Wow. You see them work. You think that's what's going
on at the New York Times.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
They've soured on this phenomenon, and they're trying to bring
along their woke friends. At least these writers and the
editors that approved the story are clearly doing that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Here's let me hit you with a couple of chunks
of it, and you can react however you want. They're
talking about this gal who's involved in the field for
a long time, founding psychologists of the first pediatric gender
clinic in the US, says when she first started to
practice in seven most of her patients had long standing
(06:14):
and deep seated gender dysphoria.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Transitioning clearly made.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Sense for almost all of them, and any mental health
issues they had were generally resolved through gender transition.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And this is one of the leaders in the field.
But that is just not the case anymore. As far
as I can tell, there are no professional organizations who
are stepping in to regulate what's going on. Most of
a patients, she said now have no history of childhood
gender dysphoria. Others refer to this phenomenon with some controversy,
as rapid onset gender dysphoria, in which adolescents, particularly tween
(06:46):
and teenage girls, expressed gender dysphoria despite never having done
so when they were younger. Frequently they have mental health
issues unrelated to gender.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So this expert, obviously one one hundred percent believes this
is a real thing in human beings, but just not
even close to the how often it occurs as it
is now.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
In fact, yeah, you would describe it as exceedingly rare,
and you should move very slowly and carefully toward any
medical anything. Then here's another guy, former head of the
Child in Adolescent Committee for the World Professional Association for
Transgender Health. So he's down with the whole transgender thing.
He said, I'm sorry, it's a she. You have to
(07:34):
take time to really assess what's going on and hear
the timeline and get the parent's perspective in order to
create an individualized treatment plan. Many providers are completely missing
that step. So these are like to heavyweights of the field, screaming, whoa.
These are kids who have made like a quickie decision,
(07:56):
and you're rushing them through a process that ought to
be extremely slow and careful. Where is the other part
that I wanted to highlight? Oh this do you want
a dead son or a live daughter?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Talking about that whole it's a trope. It's a dishonest
trope of the You've got to do this or they'll
kill themselves. It's emotional blackmail. Yeah, you're right, and they
go into a fair amount of detail. How that's utterly
not borne out by the by the data, and it
is causing people to do the very things we were
just talking about. You shouldn't do rush through things without
(08:34):
a history without addressing the other emotional problems.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
And it's they.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Pile evidence on evidence, testimony on testimony.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
In The New York Times, this is an.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Iron clad and heavy weight argument against the current situation.
And I haven't seen it echoed. I have not seen
it reprinted. I have not seen it quoted. Here's the
I'll end the screen in a second, but I wanted
to hit you with this. I finally found it. Progressives
often portrayed the heated debate over childhood transgender care is
(09:11):
a clash between those who are trying to help growing
numbers of children who express what they believe their genders
to be, and conservative politicians who won't let kids be themselves.
But writes The New York Freaking Times, right wing demagogues
are not the only ones who have inflamed this debate. Yeah,
excuse me if I think cruel, misguided, permanent medical experiments
(09:34):
are being run on little children by ideological extremists, and
I'm speaking out forcefully against it, I don't think that's
demagogging anything. I don't think I'm demagogging when I say
don't starve and burn your children with cigarette butts. I
don't think i'm demagogging anything. When I say, don't beat
your child anyway. Transgender activists have push their own ideological extremists,
(10:00):
especially by pressing for a treatment orthodoxy that has faced
increased scrutiny in recent years. Under that model of care,
clinicians are expected to affirm a young person's assertion of
gender identity and even provide medical treatment before or even
without exploring other possible causes of distress. This case is closed, friends,
(10:21):
It's closed for anybody, including for the love of the
journalism the New York Times. It's closed for anybody who's
willing to honestly confront it.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
That's interesting. I haven't heard about this. Seems like a
big deal. You'd think it would have echoed like crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
You'd think it'd be you know, reprinted and discussed all
over the place. But no, that's how strong the Dei
orthodoxy is right now. That's how much mind share and
fear they have generated in people and or your soft
heads for some he's in a picture of the chicks
on the view popped into my head, perhaps because they're
the ultimate example of this, you know, borderline stupidity disorder,
(11:09):
where they have been so convinced sheeplike as they are
that to be a good person, you advocate for gender
affirm and care. That they can't even hear even their
own ideological brethren say this is.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
A huge mistake. This is terrible, and it is terrible.
End of screen
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