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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So one thing I don't have to worry about, Joe
and I don't have to worry about is we don't
have two dozen end bombs in our past that could
come back to haunt us. So Joe Rogan, who has
been quite the topic of conversation for the last couple
of weeks, he's among the most popular podcasters in the world.
Spotify gave him one hundred million dollars to take his
podcast from more or less just private and him to
(00:23):
a to a company. And you know, the whole story
is under fire for some of the covid guests that
he had on a couple of weeks ago, and Neil Young,
the ancient folk singer, threaten to pull his music, which
is a weird threat. Um and uh, But Spotify caved
a little, and Rogan apologized a little, and now a
hundred episodes of Joe Rogan's podcast have disappeared from Spotify.
(00:43):
One hundred episodes. And before we get to the end
bomb stuff, it's worth talking about, um, some of that
just who's being taken off? So they put out a
statement that right wing uh conservative guests from some of
the prior podcasts have been taken down. Okay, who does
that include. So here's your list of some of the
(01:05):
right wing um people that were on Joe Rogan's podcast
that got pulled off. And I don't know the names
of all these people, but these are podcasts are no
longer on their Roseanne Barr they took that one down. Um,
Peter Began, right wing, You're Peter Began? Who? Oh my god.
Russell Brand who's not a right winger. Um, he's the
(01:26):
comedian now podcaster Tim Dillon, who if you know him,
he's all over the place. Tulsey Gabbard right wing. You're
Democratic presidential candidate Tulsea Gabbert. Sam Harris, the atheist, left
wing thinker, is on the list of conservatives and episodes
that they've taken down Spotify is taken off of Joe
Rogan's podcast. Wow, I had not heard this. Oh yeah,
(01:49):
it's unbelievable. And there's all James Lindsay. There's not Michael Malice,
the anarchist that I follow, who's all over the freaking place. Um,
they took Lindsay down. And there's Douglas Murray who's the
libertarian uh, Ted NuGet, Candice Owens, Okay, Jordan Peterson Steven
Pinker really Okay, all right, okay, see now that's insane.
(02:12):
Steven Pinker is an incredibly well respected author, thinker, No,
no right wing lunatic, and you have to take a
podcast of the platform. I believe they did. I was
gonna praise the head of Spotify for not canning Rogan
over the end bombs up. He's gonna get canned. He's
gonna get canned. I'll be shocked if he survives this.
You know what, I'll bet. I'll tell you what's going on.
(02:33):
But go ahead on the list. One more, I want
to mention Barry Weiss. Right winger Barry Weiss had to
take her podcast off of the platform. And I'm not
just man about this because it's a fellow broadcaster. And
I worry about the industry, and I worry about our
jobs and that sort of stuff. I'm actually worried about
America and our ability to have a conversation. If Barry
Weiss and um former New York Times writer, Yeah, and uh,
(02:58):
Elon Musk is on this list. If Elon Musk and
Barry Weiss and some of these other names I've mentioned
can't be on their Peter but oshin talking about the
state of the world today. I don't know how we're
going to survive, right, boy, I am shocked to hear this.
I was gonna praise Daniel Ack, he's the CEO of
(03:18):
Spotify for Standard by Joe Rogan. I have a feeling.
It's not like I've looked over the contract. I have
a feeling that Rogan have some smart people. In the
contract says listen, you cannot fire him for saying anything controversial.
That's what he's here to do, and you accept that fully.
So I have a feeling that if Spotify says that, right,
we're severing our ties with you. Rogan keeps every dime
(03:38):
of the money and and Spotify gets nothing. Well, if
he stays, it's because he had a good agent who
got him a good contract that kept him out of trouble.
But if he didn't have that, he'd be fired already.
So no, no, no, that that you're you're seeing at
the opposite, Spotify is keeping him around because they've spent
the money. Period it's gone and they either get value
out of Rogan or they don't got you. So over
(04:00):
a weekend, a musician had gathered every time Joe Rogan
had dropped an end bomb over the last dozen years,
and there is a several dozen of them, and they're
on a little audio thing that you can listen to,
and it's just end bomb in bomb in bomb in
bomb in bomb in bomb in bomb and if you
hear it, it's it's a striking number of end bombs.
(04:21):
Let's hear. Let's hear a little of Joe Rogan's apology
that he put out over the weekend, and then we
could discuss it some more. There's a video that's out
that's a compilation of me saying the N word. It's
a video that's made of clips taken out of context
of me of twelve years of conversations on my podcast,
and it's all smushed together and it looks horrible even
(04:42):
to me. Now, I know that to most people, there
is no context where a white person is ever allowed
to say that word. And I agree with that now.
I haven't said it in years. I never used it
to be racist because I'm not racist. But whenever you're
in a situation, well you have to say, I'm not racist.
(05:06):
You dubbed. There's nothing I can do to take that back.
I do hope that if anything that this can be
a teachable moment. Wow, I have so much to say
about that. The teachable moment is a pay apparently that
even you, even you with all your heft and leverage,
(05:26):
have to back down in the face of the anti enlightenment,
anti reason movement, that there is a word out there
that can't be set out loud by by a certain
race that switchcraft. That's crazy exactly. It's an incantation that
cannot be spoken. Even in discussing it as an incantation. Well,
it's it's almost sweet how naive he is, and it
(05:49):
goes to show he's not an ideal. He's not. He's
a curious, really interesting guy. It's a little odd, but
he's not an idealogue because he doesn't realize Joe, there
are innumerable situations these days where people are forced into
saying I'm not a racist when they have not left up.
(06:10):
That is the number one tool to silence you from
the radical woke left calling you a racist. That's there,
That's number one in their playbook. Yeah. Yeah, so that
angle of it. But the whole in bomb thing, I
really wish he'd come out and said, look, the fact
that there's a word out there of a series of
sounds and letters that are uh off the off the
(06:34):
uh off the board, and you're not allowed to say
it or you'll lose your job is crazy. Content context matters.
I wish he and he could have said, because I'm
saying this, I'm not gonna say the word, I'm not
gonna try to prove a point because it would end
my career. But the fact that we're are we're we
are where we are on this is insane, that's insane.
(06:55):
And his context was and I went back and looked
through it because somebody did the research, all kinds of
context of hey, the rapper fifty cent says and all
the time, So how come he can say and in
this case, but blah blah blah, just having conversations about
the word. Obviously, it wasn't Joe Rogan calling some black
guy that word. It was a discussion of the word.
And he didn't at that time go with the completely
(07:20):
ridiculous idea that you're not allowed to say it out
loud if you're this skin color, And plenty of people
on the left jump to that, No, there's no way
a white person can ever use that word. That defies reason.
No one can ever utter that incantation. We gotta call
it what it is. It's it's superstitious. You're giving it
way too much power. Why why are you giving it
(07:41):
more power than it deserves? But it is where it is,
what it is, There's no doubt about that. I'm not
gonna say it. I don't know which is the bigger problem.
But the one that really has freaked me out is
that list of podcast you just mentioned. The list of
those guests, I mean, most of them are not only
not dangerous, although that that just doesn't factor in. It shouldn't.
(08:05):
There are some of the great thinkers of our time.
So I'm not positive that all of the podcast with
these guests on them haven't been taken down yet, but
I know a number of them have. And the list
was put out of the right wing uh guests that
are you know, of the problematic and that's this lest
but I know a lot of them have. Michael Malice said, Mike, my, uh,
(08:26):
my episodes are gone. That shock. We have to check
with Peter burg Ooshen to see if his episodes are gone.
How can you make a list that includes Elon Musk
is a right winger because of what it is, it
is a vengeful cult out there trying desperately to silence
the exchange of ideas. Man, everybody's got to become a
(08:47):
soldier in this army, because it's only by you know,
only by the numbers that we can neutralize it. Because, man,
though the the the few, the comparatively few who what
they believe and are trying to do what they're doing,
which is silence anything that disagrees with their cult. I mean,
they are so vicious and so capable of doing damage.
(09:08):
It's only through the bulk of numbers that we can
really resist them. Oh and Charles Cook wrote a brilliant
piece for National Review, The Power of the Word No,
which we'll get to later. But did you see the Rock,
uh and his statement over the weekend. So the Rock,
the actor, the wrestler. He had come to Joe Rogan's
defense because he's been a regular guest on Joe Rogan's
(09:29):
We all call him Dwayne Johnson at this point, Jack, Okay,
So Dwayne Johnson has been a regular guest on Joe
Rogan's show, and compromise on calling him Dwayne the Rock
Johnson if you like. So he had come to Joe
Rogan's defense last week over you know, his existence really
are so called misinformation. Um. But then over the weekend
when the in bomb thing, I, you know, I long
(09:49):
no longer stand with Joe Rogan. There's no that, there's
no world where that is acceptable. Blah blah blah blah blah.
So people were cutting and running. So if Spotify didn't
have a hundred million dollars sunk into this, there's no
way he survives it. No way they'd have cut him loose.
Friday afternoon would have been the end of the Joe
Rogan experience. Yeah. Well, here's what the CEO said, and
(10:10):
what his motivations for saying it were. I don't know,
maybe they're what I explained to Maybe he actually is
a crusader for free speech. But Spotify CEO Daniel Eck
told staffers Sunday because he has a shop full and
it's a big shop full of woke just self righteous
social degree bearing music freaks, and so they're absolutely on
(10:31):
the woke side of things. But he told stafford Sunday
the company will not be quote canceling Joe Rogan blah
blah blah. Uh lengthy letter to employees, he said, not
only are some of Joe Rogan's comments incredibly hurtful. I
want to make it clear that they do not represent
the values of this company. I don't understand in what
sense you can consider them hurtful, and I don't. While
(10:52):
I strongly condemn what Joe has said, I realized some
will want more, he said, bowing to the struggle session.
I want to make one point, very leer. I do
not believe that silencing Joe is the answer. We should
have clear lines around content and take action when they
are a cross. But canceling voices is a slippery slope
because we've already given him on the money. He's got
to come up with a justification for it. Well, mine
(11:16):
would be on principle. You know, whether you believe his
is or not, you know, it's up to you. Well,
I think at that level, generally it's whatever's going to
make them the most money. And if they didn't have
the money sunk in, he'd be afraid we're gonna lose more.
You know, musicians who are gonna pull their music. Well yeah,
and then the the incredibly vexing arguments Sometimes when you're
(11:37):
talking about a corporate entity, and principle is that and
I don't know. If Spotify is publicly held, are they
private company, I don't know, But if they're publicly held,
you know, at some point the CEO does answer to
the shareholders and and he can make a brave, courageous
stand in favor of the First Amendment and watch the
company go down in flames. But that's that's kind of illegal.
(12:00):
I mean, you can't do the shareholders that way. So
they have removed a hundred and thirteen episodes at this point.
That's effing ridiculous. It's well, it's not ridiculous, it's horrifying.
And I don't understand how it doesn't get looked at
his He's like the most popular podcaster in the world.
He's bigger than practically any radio or TV host in
(12:21):
the world. There must be a reason for that. Perhaps
we'll just let him do it the way he's been
doing it. Perhaps will silence anything we don't like.
So one thing I don't have to worry about, Joe
and I don't have to worry about is we don't
have two dozen end bombs in our past that could
come back to haunt us. So Joe Rogan, who has
been quite the topic of conversation for the last couple
of weeks, he's among the most popular podcasters in the world.
Spotify gave him one hundred million dollars to take his
podcast from more or less just private and him to
(00:23):
a to a company. And you know, the whole story
is under fire for some of the covid guests that
he had on a couple of weeks ago, and Neil Young,
the ancient folk singer, threaten to pull his music, which
is a weird threat. Um and uh, But Spotify caved
a little, and Rogan apologized a little, and now a
hundred episodes of Joe Rogan's podcast have disappeared from Spotify.
(00:43):
One hundred episodes. And before we get to the end
bomb stuff, it's worth talking about, um, some of that
just who's being taken off? So they put out a
statement that right wing uh conservative guests from some of
the prior podcasts have been taken down. Okay, who does
that include. So here's your list of some of the
(01:05):
right wing um people that were on Joe Rogan's podcast
that got pulled off. And I don't know the names
of all these people, but these are podcasts are no
longer on their Roseanne Barr they took that one down. Um,
Peter Began, right wing, You're Peter Began? Who? Oh my god.
Russell Brand who's not a right winger. Um, he's the
(01:26):
comedian now podcaster Tim Dillon, who if you know him,
he's all over the place. Tulsey Gabbard right wing. You're
Democratic presidential candidate Tulsea Gabbert. Sam Harris, the atheist, left
wing thinker, is on the list of conservatives and episodes
that they've taken down Spotify is taken off of Joe
Rogan's podcast. Wow, I had not heard this. Oh yeah,
(01:49):
it's unbelievable. And there's all James Lindsay. There's not Michael Malice,
the anarchist that I follow, who's all over the freaking place. Um,
they took Lindsay down. And there's Douglas Murray who's the
libertarian uh, Ted NuGet, Candice Owens, Okay, Jordan Peterson Steven
Pinker really Okay, all right, okay, see now that's insane.
(02:12):
Steven Pinker is an incredibly well respected author, thinker, No,
no right wing lunatic, and you have to take a
podcast of the platform. I believe they did. I was
gonna praise the head of Spotify for not canning Rogan
over the end bombs up. He's gonna get canned. He's
gonna get canned. I'll be shocked if he survives this.
You know what, I'll bet. I'll tell you what's going on.
(02:33):
But go ahead on the list. One more, I want
to mention Barry Weiss. Right winger Barry Weiss had to
take her podcast off of the platform. And I'm not
just man about this because it's a fellow broadcaster. And
I worry about the industry, and I worry about our
jobs and that sort of stuff. I'm actually worried about
America and our ability to have a conversation. If Barry
Weiss and um former New York Times writer, Yeah, and uh,
(02:58):
Elon Musk is on this list. If Elon Musk and
Barry Weiss and some of these other names I've mentioned
can't be on their Peter but oshin talking about the
state of the world today. I don't know how we're
going to survive, right, boy, I am shocked to hear this.
I was gonna praise Daniel Ack, he's the CEO of
(03:18):
Spotify for Standard by Joe Rogan. I have a feeling.
It's not like I've looked over the contract. I have
a feeling that Rogan have some smart people. In the
contract says listen, you cannot fire him for saying anything controversial.
That's what he's here to do, and you accept that fully.
So I have a feeling that if Spotify says that, right,
we're severing our ties with you. Rogan keeps every dime
(03:38):
of the money and and Spotify gets nothing. Well, if
he stays, it's because he had a good agent who
got him a good contract that kept him out of trouble.
But if he didn't have that, he'd be fired already.
So no, no, no, that that you're you're seeing at
the opposite, Spotify is keeping him around because they've spent
the money. Period it's gone and they either get value
out of Rogan or they don't got you. So over
(04:00):
a weekend, a musician had gathered every time Joe Rogan
had dropped an end bomb over the last dozen years,
and there is a several dozen of them, and they're
on a little audio thing that you can listen to,
and it's just end bomb in bomb in bomb in
bomb in bomb in bomb in bomb and if you
hear it, it's it's a striking number of end bombs.
(04:21):
Let's hear. Let's hear a little of Joe Rogan's apology
that he put out over the weekend, and then we
could discuss it some more. There's a video that's out
that's a compilation of me saying the N word. It's
a video that's made of clips taken out of context
of me of twelve years of conversations on my podcast,
and it's all smushed together and it looks horrible even
(04:42):
to me. Now, I know that to most people, there
is no context where a white person is ever allowed
to say that word. And I agree with that now.
I haven't said it in years. I never used it
to be racist because I'm not racist. But whenever you're
in a situation, well you have to say, I'm not racist.
(05:06):
You dubbed. There's nothing I can do to take that back.
I do hope that if anything that this can be
a teachable moment. Wow, I have so much to say
about that. The teachable moment is a pay apparently that
even you, even you with all your heft and leverage,
(05:26):
have to back down in the face of the anti enlightenment,
anti reason movement, that there is a word out there
that can't be set out loud by by a certain
race that switchcraft. That's crazy exactly. It's an incantation that
cannot be spoken. Even in discussing it as an incantation. Well,
it's it's almost sweet how naive he is, and it
(05:49):
goes to show he's not an ideal. He's not. He's
a curious, really interesting guy. It's a little odd, but
he's not an idealogue because he doesn't realize Joe, there
are innumerable situations these days where people are forced into
saying I'm not a racist when they have not left up.
(06:10):
That is the number one tool to silence you from
the radical woke left calling you a racist. That's there,
That's number one in their playbook. Yeah. Yeah, so that
angle of it. But the whole in bomb thing, I
really wish he'd come out and said, look, the fact
that there's a word out there of a series of
sounds and letters that are uh off the off the
(06:34):
uh off the board, and you're not allowed to say
it or you'll lose your job is crazy. Content context matters.
I wish he and he could have said, because I'm
saying this, I'm not gonna say the word, I'm not
gonna try to prove a point because it would end
my career. But the fact that we're are we're we
are where we are on this is insane, that's insane.
(06:55):
And his context was and I went back and looked
through it because somebody did the research, all kinds of
context of hey, the rapper fifty cent says and all
the time, So how come he can say and in
this case, but blah blah blah, just having conversations about
the word. Obviously, it wasn't Joe Rogan calling some black
guy that word. It was a discussion of the word.
And he didn't at that time go with the completely
(07:20):
ridiculous idea that you're not allowed to say it out
loud if you're this skin color, And plenty of people
on the left jump to that, No, there's no way
a white person can ever use that word. That defies reason.
No one can ever utter that incantation. We gotta call
it what it is. It's it's superstitious. You're giving it
way too much power. Why why are you giving it
(07:41):
more power than it deserves? But it is where it is,
what it is, There's no doubt about that. I'm not
gonna say it. I don't know which is the bigger problem.
But the one that really has freaked me out is
that list of podcast you just mentioned. The list of
those guests, I mean, most of them are not only
not dangerous, although that that just doesn't factor in. It shouldn't.
(08:05):
There are some of the great thinkers of our time.
So I'm not positive that all of the podcast with
these guests on them haven't been taken down yet, but
I know a number of them have. And the list
was put out of the right wing uh guests that
are you know, of the problematic and that's this lest
but I know a lot of them have. Michael Malice said, Mike, my, uh,
(08:26):
my episodes are gone. That shock. We have to check
with Peter burg Ooshen to see if his episodes are gone.
How can you make a list that includes Elon Musk
is a right winger because of what it is, it
is a vengeful cult out there trying desperately to silence
the exchange of ideas. Man, everybody's got to become a
(08:47):
soldier in this army, because it's only by you know,
only by the numbers that we can neutralize it. Because, man,
though the the the few, the comparatively few who what
they believe and are trying to do what they're doing,
which is silence anything that disagrees with their cult. I mean,
they are so vicious and so capable of doing damage.
(09:08):
It's only through the bulk of numbers that we can
really resist them. Oh and Charles Cook wrote a brilliant
piece for National Review, The Power of the Word No,
which we'll get to later. But did you see the Rock,
uh and his statement over the weekend. So the Rock,
the actor, the wrestler. He had come to Joe Rogan's
defense because he's been a regular guest on Joe Rogan's
(09:29):
We all call him Dwayne Johnson at this point, Jack, Okay,
So Dwayne Johnson has been a regular guest on Joe
Rogan's show, and compromise on calling him Dwayne the Rock
Johnson if you like. So he had come to Joe
Rogan's defense last week over you know, his existence really
are so called misinformation. Um. But then over the weekend
when the in bomb thing, I, you know, I long
(09:49):
no longer stand with Joe Rogan. There's no that, there's
no world where that is acceptable. Blah blah blah blah blah.
So people were cutting and running. So if Spotify didn't
have a hundred million dollars sunk into this, there's no
way he survives it. No way they'd have cut him loose.
Friday afternoon would have been the end of the Joe
Rogan experience. Yeah. Well, here's what the CEO said, and
(10:10):
what his motivations for saying it were. I don't know,
maybe they're what I explained to Maybe he actually is
a crusader for free speech. But Spotify CEO Daniel Eck
told staffers Sunday because he has a shop full and
it's a big shop full of woke just self righteous
social degree bearing music freaks, and so they're absolutely on
(10:31):
the woke side of things. But he told stafford Sunday
the company will not be quote canceling Joe Rogan blah
blah blah. Uh lengthy letter to employees, he said, not
only are some of Joe Rogan's comments incredibly hurtful. I
want to make it clear that they do not represent
the values of this company. I don't understand in what
sense you can consider them hurtful, and I don't. While
(10:52):
I strongly condemn what Joe has said, I realized some
will want more, he said, bowing to the struggle session.
I want to make one point, very leer. I do
not believe that silencing Joe is the answer. We should
have clear lines around content and take action when they
are a cross. But canceling voices is a slippery slope
because we've already given him on the money. He's got
to come up with a justification for it. Well, mine
(11:16):
would be on principle. You know, whether you believe his
is or not, you know, it's up to you. Well,
I think at that level, generally it's whatever's going to
make them the most money. And if they didn't have
the money sunk in, he'd be afraid we're gonna lose more.
You know, musicians who are gonna pull their music. Well yeah,
and then the the incredibly vexing arguments Sometimes when you're
(11:37):
talking about a corporate entity, and principle is that and
I don't know. If Spotify is publicly held, are they
private company, I don't know, But if they're publicly held,
you know, at some point the CEO does answer to
the shareholders and and he can make a brave, courageous
stand in favor of the First Amendment and watch the
company go down in flames. But that's that's kind of illegal.
(12:00):
I mean, you can't do the shareholders that way. So
they have removed a hundred and thirteen episodes at this point.
That's effing ridiculous. It's well, it's not ridiculous, it's horrifying.
And I don't understand how it doesn't get looked at
his He's like the most popular podcaster in the world.
He's bigger than practically any radio or TV host in
(12:21):
the world. There must be a reason for that. Perhaps
we'll just let him do it the way he's been
doing it. Perhaps will silence anything we don't like.
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