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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So Quinnipiac asked Americans if the same thing that's happening
in Ukraine happened in the United States, would you stay
and fight or would you leave? Pretty simple question, As
Charles C. W. Cook wrote in the National Review Um,
the results are sobering and often disgraceful. Sixty eight percent
(00:22):
of Republicans said they would stay and fight. I was
hoping that number be higher with indicating that they'd run away.
So sixty percent of Republicans would stay in fight A
question that didn't occur to me when we talked about
this yesterday. Did they ask men and women? Yeah? I
think they lumped it all together. Maybe that's a mistake.
(00:42):
There's there are forties heven genders. There's no difference between
matad women and not not suggesting in any way. I
don't think you are. Maybe you are. Are you suggesting
women or cowards? I kid, no, no, not at all. No, no, no,
it's just it's just a different role in the family exactly,
and each is critically important. You look at different you
look at those family is leaving Ukraine. That the women
aren't leaving at a cowardice. They're taking the kids with
(01:04):
them to take care of them in Poland or wherever
while dad fights. That's what's going on there, right, maintaining
the world while dad shoots guns. Among independents, the numbers
are fifty seven thirty six, and I are down to
fifty seven percent of people would stay in fight, thirty
six would leave, and at least it's a twenty point gap.
(01:24):
And among Democrats it's upside down, with staying and fighting
in fifty leaving. A majority of Democrats would leave the country.
Are people thinking this through it all? And maybe that
doesn't make any difference if people are thinking it through
but leaving it to what and you're so you're not
(01:44):
if you you realize if you leave it to the invader,
you're never coming back. Yeah, forever? And where are you
going exactly? Since we are the guaranteer of guarantee, we
guarantee peace in the world, I think there probably And
this is you know, I should not be insulting. Why
would I be insulting in this critical wanton cruelty. Yeah,
(02:08):
it's not shocking that the progressive mind would picture sitting
at a cafe in Paris sipping coffee. Yes, I'll just
leave the United States and go enjoy the bohemian lifestyle.
I've always craved utter lack of realism. You're going to
let a despot overrun your homeland, slaughter your people, crush
(02:30):
all of our our cities, our achievements, our industries, and
and you're just you're gonna save your own hide. Well
that's okay, all right, that's fine. There's always been people
like that. Let's break it down by age, because this
gets damned interesting too. Among fifty to sixty four year
old men and women, the state leave numbers are heavily
(02:51):
on the state side, sixties six to eight for the
older crowd, sixty and these are people who, in reality
or too old, fight but are staying. Among eighteen to
thirty four year olds, that's your core fighting demo. Among
eighteen to thirty four year olds, forty five stay, forty
(03:12):
eight leave. More Young people under thirty four would leave
than stay. A majority of prime aged Americans, whom the
United States would need if a crisis like this came
to our country, would flee if that crisis ever came.
Let me read now from Charles C. To W. Cook
in the National Review for shame Less. The excuse makers
try to find nuanced where none exists. Let us note
(03:34):
for the record that this is the most elemental question
that a freeman can ever be asked. I would say
that's true. There are no caveats or complexities here, and
there's barely any politics either. If the United States were
beat to be invaded by Russia, America's defense of itself
could not plausibly be construed as imperialism or in venturism,
or foreign war or conflict of choice. You have none
(03:56):
of those things. And he gets into the fact that
the troubling part is among the young, where Charles Cook says,
and I think I agree with that number among the
young should be somewhere close to one hundred percent. If
you're gonna defend your country not upside down, more would
leave than stay. Well, you have put it as well
(04:19):
as anybody I've heard. We have conducted a generation's long
experiment in teaching our children to hate their country, to
hate their people, a bizarre and twisted experiment, and self
loathing taught by the self loathing intelligentsia. Oh, which reminds
we've got some great stuff on deciding what should be
(04:40):
taught in school's next hour. Stay with us if you can,
But this experiment has never been done. We're doing it
right now in this country. Somehow we let it be
done behind our backs, and now we've seen at least
preliminarily one of the results. I would hope that when, when,
and if, and and we pray god it never happens,
but when and if that cold, terrible reality, uh should
(05:01):
show itself, I would hope our young people would would
suddenly feel within themselves, uh, the feelings stir that they
didn't realize they had. This is my home, these are
my people. You will not come here and kill us. Yeah,
we've seen a lot of Europeans completely switched their point
of view in the last week or so. So uh,
(05:22):
while it's horrifying, horrifying that even in the abstract asking
this question, those numbers aren't much much higher. I mean
that I find that shocking, and, like Charlie Cook said, appalling,
I'm amazed those numbers aren't higher. But I would hope
that if it built up the way it did in Ukraine,
where you're being surrounded over months, the conversation is going
(05:42):
on for what the reality would look like, that those
numbers would grow quite a bit. But the fact that
they're not just on the face of it, more more
more like eight twenty than the best number being six. Really. Wow,
that's incredible. And hey, I'll grant you not everyone who
(06:03):
said heck yeah, i'd stay in fight would. I mean,
you never know how you're going to react until you're
confronted with a situation like that, a life and death situation. Um.
But nonetheless, if a percentage of those flake anyway, that's fine.
That would suggest to me you'd want the number to
be even higher. Yeah, that's quite amazing. I know a
(06:23):
couple of people that I like a lot that I'm
pretty sure would be in the leave category. It's the
sort of thing I wouldn't ask them because I don't
want to have that conversation because then I don't think
we can hang out anymore. But I know their point
of view well enough that I think they'd be in
the leaf category. And it's just you know, um, it's
(06:44):
just shortsightedness. It's it's lack of perspective. It's lack of perspective,
it is complete lack of perspective, just this whole Well,
you know, our country does all kinds of bad things.
Do you know that sort of point of view all
right compared to who and where are you going? That's better?
And how do you expect this to play out? Yeah?
Well I must point out they didn't raise themselves and
(07:04):
they didn't teach themselves. A lot of us allowed it
to happen behind our backs. We didn't realize what was
being taught in schools and universities. Excellent point. Yeah, just
one final note because it's one of my favorite quotes
of all times, Samuel Adams, who could bring it? If
you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from
(07:25):
us in peace. We ask not your counsel or arms
crouched down and lick the hands which feed you. May
your chains set lightly upon you, and may pop arty
forget that you were our countrymen. So, on the other hand,
I think a lot of people would change their minds.
Whatever your argument is, your anti USA argument that you
(07:45):
hear regularly that there's too much police brutality, so Russia
would be better, or you know, the the we're not
woken up around uh L, G B t Q issues
or whatever. I think Russia is gonna give us a
crap about that, or income inequality too, to the rich
aren't paying their fair share? Is that? Is that what
bothers you about America? Russia gonna be an improvement on that?
(08:08):
I mean, what what particular issue would Russia being improvement on?
You know, Well, they're not going to stay for the
Russian rule. They're gonna leave. They're gonna leave, right, that's right,
that's right to the cafe in Brussels that they imagine,
right to other countries where they have nothing but equality
and uh and and fairness all through and through right,
(08:31):
joy Latte's and painting classes all day long. Yeah, you
can react to that. Our text line is four five
to nine five k ftcgs. The young people, the military
age people, the a larger number would leave than stay
and fight in the face of a clear evil like
(08:51):
not a wishy washy well you know they've got their
good points. No, just a you'd still leave. That's just
Has that ever happened to any country in the world?
We have taught self delusion? I would actually like to
know that throughout history, is there any country that a
bigger number of the young people would leave rather than
(09:11):
stay and fight if you were invaded by oppressors? Well,
it was in the late stages of whatever empires it
happened in so I hope somebody kept the records when
their cities were sacked. Wow, that is amazing stuff appalling
So Quinnipiac asked Americans if the same thing that's happening
in Ukraine happened in the United States, would you stay
and fight or would you leave? Pretty simple question, As
Charles C. W. Cook wrote in the National Review Um,
the results are sobering and often disgraceful. Sixty eight percent
(00:22):
of Republicans said they would stay and fight. I was
hoping that number be higher with indicating that they'd run away.
So sixty percent of Republicans would stay in fight A
question that didn't occur to me when we talked about
this yesterday. Did they ask men and women? Yeah? I
think they lumped it all together. Maybe that's a mistake.
(00:42):
There's there are forties heven genders. There's no difference between
matad women and not not suggesting in any way. I
don't think you are. Maybe you are. Are you suggesting
women or cowards? I kid, no, no, not at all. No, no, no,
it's just it's just a different role in the family exactly,
and each is critically important. You look at different you
look at those family is leaving Ukraine. That the women
aren't leaving at a cowardice. They're taking the kids with
(01:04):
them to take care of them in Poland or wherever
while dad fights. That's what's going on there, right, maintaining
the world while dad shoots guns. Among independents, the numbers
are fifty seven thirty six, and I are down to
fifty seven percent of people would stay in fight, thirty
six would leave, and at least it's a twenty point gap.
(01:24):
And among Democrats it's upside down, with staying and fighting
in fifty leaving. A majority of Democrats would leave the country.
Are people thinking this through it all? And maybe that
doesn't make any difference if people are thinking it through
but leaving it to what and you're so you're not
(01:44):
if you you realize if you leave it to the invader,
you're never coming back. Yeah, forever? And where are you
going exactly? Since we are the guaranteer of guarantee, we
guarantee peace in the world, I think there probably And
this is you know, I should not be insulting. Why
would I be insulting in this critical wanton cruelty. Yeah,
(02:08):
it's not shocking that the progressive mind would picture sitting
at a cafe in Paris sipping coffee. Yes, I'll just
leave the United States and go enjoy the bohemian lifestyle.
I've always craved utter lack of realism. You're going to
let a despot overrun your homeland, slaughter your people, crush
(02:30):
all of our our cities, our achievements, our industries, and
and you're just you're gonna save your own hide. Well
that's okay, all right, that's fine. There's always been people
like that. Let's break it down by age, because this
gets damned interesting too. Among fifty to sixty four year
old men and women, the state leave numbers are heavily
(02:51):
on the state side, sixties six to eight for the
older crowd, sixty and these are people who, in reality
or too old, fight but are staying. Among eighteen to
thirty four year olds, that's your core fighting demo. Among
eighteen to thirty four year olds, forty five stay, forty
(03:12):
eight leave. More Young people under thirty four would leave
than stay. A majority of prime aged Americans, whom the
United States would need if a crisis like this came
to our country, would flee if that crisis ever came.
Let me read now from Charles C. To W. Cook
in the National Review for shame Less. The excuse makers
try to find nuanced where none exists. Let us note
(03:34):
for the record that this is the most elemental question
that a freeman can ever be asked. I would say
that's true. There are no caveats or complexities here, and
there's barely any politics either. If the United States were
beat to be invaded by Russia, America's defense of itself
could not plausibly be construed as imperialism or in venturism,
or foreign war or conflict of choice. You have none
(03:56):
of those things. And he gets into the fact that
the troubling part is among the young, where Charles Cook says,
and I think I agree with that number among the
young should be somewhere close to one hundred percent. If
you're gonna defend your country not upside down, more would
leave than stay. Well, you have put it as well
(04:19):
as anybody I've heard. We have conducted a generation's long
experiment in teaching our children to hate their country, to
hate their people, a bizarre and twisted experiment, and self
loathing taught by the self loathing intelligentsia. Oh, which reminds
we've got some great stuff on deciding what should be
(04:40):
taught in school's next hour. Stay with us if you can,
But this experiment has never been done. We're doing it
right now in this country. Somehow we let it be
done behind our backs, and now we've seen at least
preliminarily one of the results. I would hope that when, when,
and if, and and we pray god it never happens,
but when and if that cold, terrible reality, uh should
(05:01):
show itself, I would hope our young people would would
suddenly feel within themselves, uh, the feelings stir that they
didn't realize they had. This is my home, these are
my people. You will not come here and kill us. Yeah,
we've seen a lot of Europeans completely switched their point
of view in the last week or so. So uh,
(05:22):
while it's horrifying, horrifying that even in the abstract asking
this question, those numbers aren't much much higher. I mean
that I find that shocking, and, like Charlie Cook said, appalling,
I'm amazed those numbers aren't higher. But I would hope
that if it built up the way it did in Ukraine,
where you're being surrounded over months, the conversation is going
(05:42):
on for what the reality would look like, that those
numbers would grow quite a bit. But the fact that
they're not just on the face of it, more more
more like eight twenty than the best number being six. Really. Wow,
that's incredible. And hey, I'll grant you not everyone who
(06:03):
said heck yeah, i'd stay in fight would. I mean,
you never know how you're going to react until you're
confronted with a situation like that, a life and death situation. Um.
But nonetheless, if a percentage of those flake anyway, that's fine.
That would suggest to me you'd want the number to
be even higher. Yeah, that's quite amazing. I know a
(06:23):
couple of people that I like a lot that I'm
pretty sure would be in the leave category. It's the
sort of thing I wouldn't ask them because I don't
want to have that conversation because then I don't think
we can hang out anymore. But I know their point
of view well enough that I think they'd be in
the leaf category. And it's just you know, um, it's
(06:44):
just shortsightedness. It's it's lack of perspective. It's lack of perspective,
it is complete lack of perspective, just this whole Well,
you know, our country does all kinds of bad things.
Do you know that sort of point of view all
right compared to who and where are you going? That's better?
And how do you expect this to play out? Yeah?
Well I must point out they didn't raise themselves and
(07:04):
they didn't teach themselves. A lot of us allowed it
to happen behind our backs. We didn't realize what was
being taught in schools and universities. Excellent point. Yeah, just
one final note because it's one of my favorite quotes
of all times, Samuel Adams, who could bring it? If
you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from
(07:25):
us in peace. We ask not your counsel or arms
crouched down and lick the hands which feed you. May
your chains set lightly upon you, and may pop arty
forget that you were our countrymen. So, on the other hand,
I think a lot of people would change their minds.
Whatever your argument is, your anti USA argument that you
(07:45):
hear regularly that there's too much police brutality, so Russia
would be better, or you know, the the we're not
woken up around uh L, G B t Q issues
or whatever. I think Russia is gonna give us a
crap about that, or income inequality too, to the rich
aren't paying their fair share? Is that? Is that what
bothers you about America? Russia gonna be an improvement on that?
(08:08):
I mean, what what particular issue would Russia being improvement on?
You know, Well, they're not going to stay for the
Russian rule. They're gonna leave. They're gonna leave, right, that's right,
that's right to the cafe in Brussels that they imagine,
right to other countries where they have nothing but equality
and uh and and fairness all through and through right,
(08:31):
joy Latte's and painting classes all day long. Yeah, you
can react to that. Our text line is four five
to nine five k ftcgs. The young people, the military
age people, the a larger number would leave than stay
and fight in the face of a clear evil like
(08:51):
not a wishy washy well you know they've got their
good points. No, just a you'd still leave. That's just
Has that ever happened to any country in the world?
We have taught self delusion? I would actually like to
know that throughout history, is there any country that a
bigger number of the young people would leave rather than
(09:11):
stay and fight if you were invaded by oppressors? Well,
it was in the late stages of whatever empires it
happened in so I hope somebody kept the records when
their cities were sacked. Wow, that is amazing stuff appalling
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