December 15, 2025 • 11 mins
Earlier this year, Jack's youngest son joined their local chapter of Scouting America (formerly Boy Scouts). From learning about teamwork and leadership to all of the activities Scouting is famous for--their experience has been outstanding!
So this year, Jack & Joe brought back the annual tradition to help fund Scouting for our kids.
The 2025 Armstrong & Getty Radiothon, benefitting Scouting America (Golden Empire Council) in now in full-swing!
To help tell the story of modern Scouting, Jack & Joe were joined by Paul Helman, well-known Scouting advocate who helped explain why Scouting is so vital to our youths.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I remember we came up with this quite a few
years ago, Joe and I did.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
One. We thought we had the sort of audience that
was giving so we could raise money for good causes.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And I think it was.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Just sort of a like this time of year, you know,
you're throwing money around on all kinds of different things.
How about, just from my own personal standpoint, how about
I throw a little money towards something good this time
of year.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I think you know lots of people do that, oh.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Right, And we wanted to advocate for the things we
hold most dear. And it turns out it just coincided
quite beautifully with the yall's.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah yeah, and a number of organizations through the years
where we've raised a lot of money. This year, we're
going to try to raise a lot of money for
the Scouts. And the reason for that is you've heard
me talk about this a lot. My youngest joined the
Boy Scouts I think last March, and it's been the
best thing that's ever happened to him. And then just
being around Scouting, I have become aware of things that
(00:59):
I didn't know as a Boy Scout for a couple of.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Years, many many, many many years ago. Because I'm quite.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Old, but watching Scouts and realizing how much more there
is to it than learning about nots and putting up
a tent and all that sort of stuff and hiking
and all that they do.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
All that stuff and it's really really cool. But learning about.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Values and leadership and teamwork and all these different things
and seeing it up clothes. I've been so amazed and
finding out that it costs a little bit to get
into Scouting and do a lot of things you want
to do. And maybe we could raise some money some
more people could get involved in Scouting. And we'd like
to welcome into the studio today our guest, Paul Helman.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Paul is a.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Noted member of Scouting America with over fifty years of
volunteer service to Scouting. Paul, you've been in almost every
role in Scouting, from a unit leader to a unit
commissioner to now you've been a council president at various times.
Now you're on the executive committee and board of directors
for a council. Paul, welcome into the Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
What what What'd be.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
The number one thing you would say Scouting's.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Trying to do create leaders for tomorrow, create leaders for tomorrow,
leaders for tomorrow. Who's going to be our elected officials
in twenty years from now. That's what we're creating.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It is amazing how many times I hear people running
for office who say they were an Eagle Scout or
in scouting or whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
That does come up a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
But here's what I found out and noticed that I
didn't know before on how the adults just kind of
stand back and watch because the kids are in charge.
And he got like the fifteen year olds who've been
around for a while helping direct the you know, the
younger kids, and then the younger kids grow into that
(02:39):
and everything like that.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Just the self sustained model that you've got.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And then these kids, and I said this on the
air after the first Scouting thing I did, these kids
don't act like other kids I've seen.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
They seem like they're in their twenties. A lot of
these fifteen year olds. How does scouting do that?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Exit observation that you've made there, What we are really
creating here in Scout in America is a laboratory of learning.
You learn from the process, you learn from being experiencing
the model that we're trying to create, which is, let's
create an environment with which you need to make decisions
and you have to take care of others. And it's
a boy led process of our scout led process, excuse me,
(03:21):
boy or girl ed. And so you'll have a twelve
year old that becomes the patrol leader in a scout troop,
that patrol leader that is responsible for the activities that
the youth and his patrol will do on a camp out,
for instance, thirty two hours or more. What are we
going to do? How are we going to prepare our food?
So that leader, that twelve year old leader, will then
(03:43):
help the other scouts make decisions, also do their rank
advancements and learn some very basic things. What's the process about?
Where do we set up our tent? Not only how
do you set it up? But where do you set
it up? How do you make sure it's in a
safe position. Also, some day you should sit to a
patrol leader council meeting. That's when the youth get together
(04:03):
and they decide their program. What are we going to
do for the next two or three months during our meeting?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, my son just had that meeting recently. No, I
did not sit in and watch it, but that sounds
really really interesting, and they vote themselves on what they're
going to do in the coming year and what they'll
need yes and all.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
That sort of stuff. Yeah, Joe. You know, it strikes me, Paul,
that there's an old saying.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
You never learned so much is when you're teaching, and
you're never as much of a servant as when you're leading,
because you realize, oh, this isn't about me, this is
about everybody but me. That's why I'm leading. I mean,
my gods, you learned so much about human beings in
a role like that.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Absolutely true.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
The leadership model that we try to use is called
servant leadership, something that was created by Robert Greenleaf what
twenty five thirty years ago, and that's the model that
we portray and could convey over to our adults to
then translate that to the youth. And the youth training
also uses a model and what we call National Youth
Leadership Training, and YLT is where the youth go and
(05:02):
learn the techniques and leadership. The adults do the same
thing when they go to Woodbadge Wood Badge training usually
corporate leadership training in a wonderful environment in a Scout camp.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Location.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
But like I said, my experience has been you want
to talk about teenagers who look you in the eye
and give you a firm handshake and refer to you
as mister, and all that sort of stuff that you
don't see that much in modern America.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Man, it is around Scouting. I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
That that's true. You think about the values we have
in Scouting. Scout Oath and Scout law teaches you to
have respect for all that you're around and the environment,
your fellow Scouts and everyone in the community.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
My son got elected whatever the first step is patrol
leader for his little group recently, and he's taking it
so seriously, and I'm so proud of him and just
amazed by that he feels the responsibility of showing up
to the extra meeting and being there and doing the
things he's supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's absolutely credible.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah, there's one of the things we do in Scout
in America, and I think we do this extremely well,
is providing those environments for twelve year olds to then
be responsible for other youth, other human beings, making phone calls,
doing whatever they need to do. And you're going to
bring the right who's going to bring to food. The
entire structure in the organization of their outings are going
(06:19):
to be basically managed by the patroller, who might be
twelve years old. See what other things I like to
tell people is what we teach at Boy Scouts of
America is exactly what you learn when you go get
an MBA. So take your pick, you're going to be
in Scouts to that you're eighteen years old, or you're
going to go to someplace and learn the same techniques
and you're twenty four. You've got to learn the same
things in Scouting that you would getting a higher education.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And Joe and I have talked about this a lot
over the years.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Joe was bringing it up just a couple of weeks
ago on how whenever you hear these stories about inner
city schools that were struggling and they turn it around,
it's always because some hard ass principle or something like
that demanded more out of the kids. And when you
they demand more out of the kids, the kids rise
to the occasion. And that's what I've seen just being
(07:04):
around Scouts like this, Like my son, I know what
my son is like, and like a couple of weeks ago.
He was headed to his first meeting where he's now,
you know, in charge of his little group of guys.
Everything like that, we got to be there on time.
You know, I have responsibilities now and that he never
talked like that before.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
People rise to your expectations, especially kids over It's one
of the great lessons I think we've forgotten in America.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Paul. I'm sure you've seen that a million times.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
And I have a tenacity that's the sort of grit.
The two things that sometimes we talk about is what
we teach in scouting. You got a I don't know,
thirty thirty five forty pound pack on your back. We
got to get someplace before you can set up camp,
and you got to get there. You got to get
there somehow. You just learn how to just make it
happen and lead your scouts so that you show up
and can set up your camp. One of the greatest
(07:51):
adventures that we do in Scouted in America are our summertime,
the fifty mile hikes or going to Filmont or some
of the other high adventure camps that we have where
you do these tricks.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
As I said, I've seen I've seen sixteen year olds
that are so much more impressive than so many thirty
year olds I know, in terms of just being adults
that look like they can take on life. It's absolutely impressive.
So here's the deal. Let's get to where the rubber
meets the road, because we're trying to raise money this week.
(08:23):
I would love it if every because the boys and girls,
but every kid out there, had the opportunity to be
in Scouting. But it costs something to be in Scouting,
and not everybody can afford it. What's it cost just generally,
do you have any idea across America what it costs
to get involved in Scouting for a family.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Well, you have your your personal pensis, which would be
the uniform one hundred hundred and fifty dollars totally when
you get down the equipment that you need to go camping.
There's also the support for the local councils and the
administration of the Scouting program in your area, which is
generally going to be about another eighty five to one
hundred dollars a year. So I would tell you it's
(08:59):
a couple hundred dollars a year to be involved in Scouting.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, which is enough to keep a lot of people
from doing it.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Oh and given the unbelievable effect it can have on
their young lives. I mean, that's just it's tragic that
any kid would not be involved in scouting for questions
of costs.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, so if we can cover here today, if we
can cover that cost by raising some money, go to
Armstrong and getty dot com. We've got to donate now
on there, and we'll see how much money we can
raise this week, and then a whole bunch of people
can get exposed to scouting. And you know, I guess
COVID is really hard on scouting.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah, COVID caused us the inability to meet as a group,
and so some of our units to stop meeting. Then
no longer are in existence because of that, and so
we're working hard. And this is where the funds that
were going to gain help us, because now we could
get professionals in the field to rebuild those units to
(09:50):
go to the sponsoring institutions. Hey, we need to recreate
Pacact pack y and then be able to provide scouting
for the congregations.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Hey, Paul, we've just got like thirty more seconds, But
can you speak quickly to scouting and patriotism is that
still a fundamental part of what you do.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Absolutely is what we party.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We have the American flag on our uniform.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
We recite the Pledge of Allegiance before every single meeting,
we salute the flag, and we're one of the few
organizations in the United Statess allowed to retire American flags.
We have a very respectful ceremony that we go through
when we retire the flags and burn them and bury
them as they need to be.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I see that every week.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
What do you call the thing when they bring out
the people and they take the flags down and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Flag ceremonial. Yeah, the flags are many.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I see that every week, and it's so cool and having,
you know, seeing these kids do it and take it
so seriously and quietly and everything like that.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
It's just awesome.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
They standard attention and salute. They very much take it
very seriously.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Paul Helman, thanks for coming in.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Thanks first of all, thanks for your time all the
years he had donated to Scouting and you know, just
helping out youth all across America and all the people,
all the volunteers that I've seen that work so hard.
We're going to raise as much money as we can
for you this week. We appreciate you coming in.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Thank you very much. We've got a lot of stories
to tell. Armstrong and Getty
I remember we came up with this quite a few
years ago, Joe and I did.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
One. We thought we had the sort of audience that
was giving so we could raise money for good causes.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And I think it was.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Just sort of a like this time of year, you know,
you're throwing money around on all kinds of different things.
How about, just from my own personal standpoint, how about
I throw a little money towards something good this time
of year.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I think you know lots of people do that, oh.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Right, And we wanted to advocate for the things we
hold most dear. And it turns out it just coincided
quite beautifully with the yall's.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah yeah, and a number of organizations through the years
where we've raised a lot of money. This year, we're
going to try to raise a lot of money for
the Scouts. And the reason for that is you've heard
me talk about this a lot. My youngest joined the
Boy Scouts I think last March, and it's been the
best thing that's ever happened to him. And then just
being around Scouting, I have become aware of things that
(00:59):
I didn't know as a Boy Scout for a couple of.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Years, many many, many many years ago. Because I'm quite.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Old, but watching Scouts and realizing how much more there
is to it than learning about nots and putting up
a tent and all that sort of stuff and hiking
and all that they do.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
All that stuff and it's really really cool. But learning about.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Values and leadership and teamwork and all these different things
and seeing it up clothes. I've been so amazed and
finding out that it costs a little bit to get
into Scouting and do a lot of things you want
to do. And maybe we could raise some money some
more people could get involved in Scouting. And we'd like
to welcome into the studio today our guest, Paul Helman.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Paul is a.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Noted member of Scouting America with over fifty years of
volunteer service to Scouting. Paul, you've been in almost every
role in Scouting, from a unit leader to a unit
commissioner to now you've been a council president at various times.
Now you're on the executive committee and board of directors
for a council. Paul, welcome into the Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
What what What'd be.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
The number one thing you would say Scouting's.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Trying to do create leaders for tomorrow, create leaders for tomorrow,
leaders for tomorrow. Who's going to be our elected officials
in twenty years from now. That's what we're creating.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It is amazing how many times I hear people running
for office who say they were an Eagle Scout or
in scouting or whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
That does come up a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
But here's what I found out and noticed that I
didn't know before on how the adults just kind of
stand back and watch because the kids are in charge.
And he got like the fifteen year olds who've been
around for a while helping direct the you know, the
younger kids, and then the younger kids grow into that
(02:39):
and everything like that.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Just the self sustained model that you've got.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And then these kids, and I said this on the
air after the first Scouting thing I did, these kids
don't act like other kids I've seen.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
They seem like they're in their twenties. A lot of
these fifteen year olds. How does scouting do that?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Exit observation that you've made there, What we are really
creating here in Scout in America is a laboratory of learning.
You learn from the process, you learn from being experiencing
the model that we're trying to create, which is, let's
create an environment with which you need to make decisions
and you have to take care of others. And it's
a boy led process of our scout led process, excuse me,
(03:21):
boy or girl ed. And so you'll have a twelve
year old that becomes the patrol leader in a scout troop,
that patrol leader that is responsible for the activities that
the youth and his patrol will do on a camp out,
for instance, thirty two hours or more. What are we
going to do? How are we going to prepare our food?
So that leader, that twelve year old leader, will then
(03:43):
help the other scouts make decisions, also do their rank
advancements and learn some very basic things. What's the process about?
Where do we set up our tent? Not only how
do you set it up? But where do you set
it up? How do you make sure it's in a
safe position. Also, some day you should sit to a
patrol leader council meeting. That's when the youth get together
(04:03):
and they decide their program. What are we going to
do for the next two or three months during our meeting?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, my son just had that meeting recently. No, I
did not sit in and watch it, but that sounds
really really interesting, and they vote themselves on what they're
going to do in the coming year and what they'll
need yes and all.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
That sort of stuff. Yeah, Joe. You know, it strikes me, Paul,
that there's an old saying.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
You never learned so much is when you're teaching, and
you're never as much of a servant as when you're leading,
because you realize, oh, this isn't about me, this is
about everybody but me. That's why I'm leading. I mean,
my gods, you learned so much about human beings in
a role like that.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Absolutely true.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
The leadership model that we try to use is called
servant leadership, something that was created by Robert Greenleaf what
twenty five thirty years ago, and that's the model that
we portray and could convey over to our adults to
then translate that to the youth. And the youth training
also uses a model and what we call National Youth
Leadership Training, and YLT is where the youth go and
(05:02):
learn the techniques and leadership. The adults do the same
thing when they go to Woodbadge Wood Badge training usually
corporate leadership training in a wonderful environment in a Scout camp.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Location.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
But like I said, my experience has been you want
to talk about teenagers who look you in the eye
and give you a firm handshake and refer to you
as mister, and all that sort of stuff that you
don't see that much in modern America.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Man, it is around Scouting. I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
That that's true. You think about the values we have
in Scouting. Scout Oath and Scout law teaches you to
have respect for all that you're around and the environment,
your fellow Scouts and everyone in the community.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
My son got elected whatever the first step is patrol
leader for his little group recently, and he's taking it
so seriously, and I'm so proud of him and just
amazed by that he feels the responsibility of showing up
to the extra meeting and being there and doing the
things he's supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's absolutely credible.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah, there's one of the things we do in Scout
in America, and I think we do this extremely well,
is providing those environments for twelve year olds to then
be responsible for other youth, other human beings, making phone calls,
doing whatever they need to do. And you're going to
bring the right who's going to bring to food. The
entire structure in the organization of their outings are going
(06:19):
to be basically managed by the patroller, who might be
twelve years old. See what other things I like to
tell people is what we teach at Boy Scouts of
America is exactly what you learn when you go get
an MBA. So take your pick, you're going to be
in Scouts to that you're eighteen years old, or you're
going to go to someplace and learn the same techniques
and you're twenty four. You've got to learn the same
things in Scouting that you would getting a higher education.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And Joe and I have talked about this a lot
over the years.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Joe was bringing it up just a couple of weeks
ago on how whenever you hear these stories about inner
city schools that were struggling and they turn it around,
it's always because some hard ass principle or something like
that demanded more out of the kids. And when you
they demand more out of the kids, the kids rise
to the occasion. And that's what I've seen just being
(07:04):
around Scouts like this, Like my son, I know what
my son is like, and like a couple of weeks ago.
He was headed to his first meeting where he's now,
you know, in charge of his little group of guys.
Everything like that, we got to be there on time.
You know, I have responsibilities now and that he never
talked like that before.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
People rise to your expectations, especially kids over It's one
of the great lessons I think we've forgotten in America.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Paul. I'm sure you've seen that a million times.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
And I have a tenacity that's the sort of grit.
The two things that sometimes we talk about is what
we teach in scouting. You got a I don't know,
thirty thirty five forty pound pack on your back. We
got to get someplace before you can set up camp,
and you got to get there. You got to get
there somehow. You just learn how to just make it
happen and lead your scouts so that you show up
and can set up your camp. One of the greatest
(07:51):
adventures that we do in Scouted in America are our summertime,
the fifty mile hikes or going to Filmont or some
of the other high adventure camps that we have where
you do these tricks.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
As I said, I've seen I've seen sixteen year olds
that are so much more impressive than so many thirty
year olds I know, in terms of just being adults
that look like they can take on life. It's absolutely impressive.
So here's the deal. Let's get to where the rubber
meets the road, because we're trying to raise money this week.
(08:23):
I would love it if every because the boys and girls,
but every kid out there, had the opportunity to be
in Scouting. But it costs something to be in Scouting,
and not everybody can afford it. What's it cost just generally,
do you have any idea across America what it costs
to get involved in Scouting for a family.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Well, you have your your personal pensis, which would be
the uniform one hundred hundred and fifty dollars totally when
you get down the equipment that you need to go camping.
There's also the support for the local councils and the
administration of the Scouting program in your area, which is
generally going to be about another eighty five to one
hundred dollars a year. So I would tell you it's
(08:59):
a couple hundred dollars a year to be involved in Scouting.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, which is enough to keep a lot of people
from doing it.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Oh and given the unbelievable effect it can have on
their young lives. I mean, that's just it's tragic that
any kid would not be involved in scouting for questions
of costs.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, so if we can cover here today, if we
can cover that cost by raising some money, go to
Armstrong and getty dot com. We've got to donate now
on there, and we'll see how much money we can
raise this week, and then a whole bunch of people
can get exposed to scouting. And you know, I guess
COVID is really hard on scouting.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah, COVID caused us the inability to meet as a group,
and so some of our units to stop meeting. Then
no longer are in existence because of that, and so
we're working hard. And this is where the funds that
were going to gain help us, because now we could
get professionals in the field to rebuild those units to
(09:50):
go to the sponsoring institutions. Hey, we need to recreate
Pacact pack y and then be able to provide scouting
for the congregations.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Hey, Paul, we've just got like thirty more seconds, But
can you speak quickly to scouting and patriotism is that
still a fundamental part of what you do.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Absolutely is what we party.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We have the American flag on our uniform.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
We recite the Pledge of Allegiance before every single meeting,
we salute the flag, and we're one of the few
organizations in the United Statess allowed to retire American flags.
We have a very respectful ceremony that we go through
when we retire the flags and burn them and bury
them as they need to be.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I see that every week.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
What do you call the thing when they bring out
the people and they take the flags down and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Flag ceremonial. Yeah, the flags are many.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I see that every week, and it's so cool and having,
you know, seeing these kids do it and take it
so seriously and quietly and everything like that.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
It's just awesome.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
They standard attention and salute. They very much take it
very seriously.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Paul Helman, thanks for coming in.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Thanks first of all, thanks for your time all the
years he had donated to Scouting and you know, just
helping out youth all across America and all the people,
all the volunteers that I've seen that work so hard.
We're going to raise as much money as we can
for you this week. We appreciate you coming in.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Thank you very much. We've got a lot of stories
to tell. Armstrong and Getty
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