December 11, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 3 of A&G features...
- Temporary healthcare subsidies & names for hotdogs
- Hungover Russians
- Funny things to say, slutty animals & war on boys
- Disney invests in OpenAI
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, arm Strong
and Getty and no He Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Fourteen hundred and fifty five dollars a month for healthcare
premium has got my attention. And I think our senators
and congressmans, House members, all of them need to come
together and get in a room and let's duke this out.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Let's fix it.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It's making us reevaluate leaving the corporate world. If we
had to go back to corporate America because we can't
afford access to healthcare, not even healthcare, just access to healthcare,
that would be a shame.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
God.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
I hate this topic. It's so annoying, and of lies,
it's incredibly complicated.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Some aspects of it are yeah, yeah, definitely. Well the
whole it's just oh yeah, oh my god. Yeah. It's
the how discouraging it is that gets to me. Because
when you're talking about Obamacare and the subsidies and the
current debate going on and blah blah blah, if anybody
had any good faith desire to figure out what's working
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and what's not and what's a good expenditure of people's
tax dollars. We wouldn't be anywhere close to what we're
dealing with right now. It's it's an obscenely dysfunctional program.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Well, I'm gonna play the role of mean conservative. I
don't believe healthcare is a right. I'm fine with it
being tied to employment. Get out there and get a
freaking job that gives you health care. That'd be my message.
And so we always end up having these non stop
conversations about a tiny percentage of people.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
So I reached out to Craig Gottwalls. He's our healthcare experty,
is a healthcare expert.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
He is one of the best that exists, and he
can help your company with its healthcare costs. We shall
probably hit you with a website or something, since Craig
went to all this work.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
But I said, how many people are we even talking
about here?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
About twenty two million people that are getting the subsidies
that we're talking about here, they're going to have their
premiums go up compared to, for instance, one hundred and
sixty five million people that got a job that has healthcare.
That's the vast majority of us out there. And then
if you're either poor or older. You got another seventy
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seven million on Medicaid and sixty nine million on Medicare.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
That's a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Then you get down to that twenty two million new
subdies that are going to go up. Now, if Obamacare
had worked the way it was sold to, let me
throw in their temporary COVID subsidies are going to be reduced,
right and go back to the original ones couple of years.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
All right, Well, it looks to me, if I understand
this right, maybe we ought to have Craig on in
the coming weeks, probably in the new year, because this
is going to be like the big topic for Congress
at the beginning of the year. It looks to me
like COVID came along at an opportune time with these
subsidies and everything like that, and covered up all kinds
of price explosions that we're going to hit and we're
(03:23):
going to have this conversation anyway, and that kind of
got masked by COVID and the government stepping into helping
the downtrodden. If Obamacare had worked the way it was
supposed to, says Craig, these extra subsidies should be unnecessary
by now. The promise was that any lists all these
different things that were supposed to happen, then the market
was going to stabilize at an affordable level, so you
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wouldn't have needed any of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well, that never happened.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Instead, the ACA rules that's Obamacare, drove individual market premiums
sharply higher, guaranteed blah.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
So the pandemic era enhanced subseaes didn't fix the underlying pricing.
They just threw more federal money at the higher premiums
so people wouldn't feel the full hit. So that kind
of masked everything during COVID and now.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
All being borrowed at increasingly high interest rates. Yes, we
are spending money. We don't have to do what we're
talking about.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So the current.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Outcry isn't because Obamacare succeeded and now we're cruelly rolling
back a core feature.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It's almost the exact opposite.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Obamacare helped inflate the sticker price of individual coverage, and
now that the temporary they were supposed to be temporary,
and everybody, including many Republicans, now are looking at making
them permanent. Are scheduled to go away, the underlying cost
problem is exposed again.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So uh yeah, And.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
The news today in the Wall Street Journal is that
there are a lot of Republicans that aren't comfortable with
allowing these premiums to go back to what they were
supposed to be because you know, you're the party of
the working class and all that, and it's so easy
to demogogue.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Just listen to Chuck Schumer's messaging about this. The poor
are gonna lose their healthcare thanks to the Republicans, and
a right, sure, yeah, a lot of people believe that crap,
and when instead the conversation ought to be as it
is like among you know, Craig and people who know
what they're talking about. Holy cow, the hilariously named Affordable
(05:25):
Care Act. That's a six hundred pound guy who calls
himself tiny. The hilariously named Affordable Care Act is a disaster.
It was fraud to begin with and is worse than
anybody thought.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
You either like this system or you don't.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I took jobs bad job, I mean bad bad is
a bad U quote bad jobs. They didn't pay that
well and I hated the work, but they provided healthcare.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
I worked a number of bad jobs when I was young,
so I would have health insurance because I remember my
dad telling name when I was like eighteen years old.
He said, you step off a curbram, break your ankle,
you go bankrupt if you don't have health insurance. So
I always made sure I had health insurance, and I
worked some crappy jobs to make sure I did. But
a lot of people think that's a horror that.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
It shouldn't be that way.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
You shouldn't have to do anything, and for whatever reason
you aren't working currently, there should be some sort of
affordable health insurance for you.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
And you either believe health insurance is a writer you don't.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Before you fire off an angry email, let me just
step in and say I disagree with Jack. It's the
nature of the economy has changed. Gig work that sort
of thing. A lot of employers don't offer healthcare benefits.
We need a system in addition to employee sponsored healthcare plans.
Well they don't anymore since we came up with a
plan where you don't necessarily have to if we don't
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know how many companies would have been offering insurance if
we had to continue down the same road. Yeah, we
got a chicken and egg thing going on. Yeah, they
feed into each other, no doubt. But putting aside you're
angry oversimplified red meat hurling screen we've got now sucks.
It doesn't work. It's a bucket with holes in it.
You fill it at the well, you walk down the
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street and the water polls out on the street. Stop
saying it's a bucket, it's not.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It's a sieve.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Well before Able Care Act is terrible. You always have
to go back to the goal. Then it all makes sense.
If you remember the goal, it all makes sense. The
goal is for it to get more expensive and crazier
and more maddening and more confusing to where enough people
say government health care for everybody, my single pair system,
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and then that and then.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
We're done, right right, that's the goal.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
And the Republican Party isn't clever enough, or you know,
maybe the mountain is too steep to climb, but they
are not clever enough to let the American people know
what they need to know, which is that the system
doesn't work. It needs seriously to be reformed. Their pockets
are being lined by the insurance giants, which are getting crazy,
crazy rich on this we've had the stories for you
(08:02):
recently of the the hundreds of thousand millions I can't
even remember of accounts that were created, and then that
person never asked for any healthcare of any sort. Well,
that's because those accounts are being opened on their behalf.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
They don't even know they exist.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
But the giant subsidies are being paid to the insurance
companies for instance.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
It's just I don't know, Wall, you gotta admit the
I think the uh, the the whole notion of healthcare
is and tied to employment.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
A lot of people find that horrific. I don't know,
but a lot what that number is. But that's the
way it was forever.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
I worked part time jobs that gave me health care
because to get me.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
To work there they had to at that time.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
You don't have that tore, Yeah, yeah, I just I
think it's that market for labor's changed a lot since then.
But you know, we're an outlier, and the whole employer
based healthcare thing is outliar internationally, and it's as you know,
a vestige of you know, unions that were prevented from
(09:08):
getting price or wage increases during various you know, wage
cap periods in our history, and so they said, well,
you can't give us more wages. How much you pay
for our doctor bills? And that's just metastasized. But you know,
whether that's the right system or not, we can argue
about another time. But again, nobody would unless they were
(09:30):
seriously profoundly psychotic design the system we have right now,
And yet we act like any even tweaked to it,
any reasonable tweak to it is somehow a horror perpetrated
against the populace.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I just I give up on self governance. We need
a king. Can we just get to the bottom line?
We need a king.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Well, that number I gave you the vast majority of
people having healthcare through their employers.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
So I wonder what that percentage will be in twenty years.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Be a lot lower probably, so yeah, yeah, So a
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Speaker 5 (11:26):
And you have many euphemisms for hot dogs, and all
of them make me want to eat them less.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Oh why can't you just call it a hot dog?
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I don't know, because this is America, in the First
Amendment protects my right to free speech.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
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Speaker 1 (12:01):
A long time. They're delicious lips in a holes.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
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Why well, that has nothing to do with astakes the commercials.
We're onto discussing hot dogs in general. Okay, you're cheaper
hot dogs. Oh yeah, that's uh yeah, it's it came
from a pig, all right, or a cow or something
or other that was running around the barnyard. Don't worry
about it. You know, it's it's sausage and legislation. You
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don't want to watch them making it. Of course, they
don't make any freaking legislation any more. Congress boom.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
So it was it was a part of the pig
or cow at some point right right, or was stuck
to it or whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
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Omaha Steaks dot com for the quality. Yeah, I will
never forget growing up in the Chicago area. The hot
dog is an art form. It's really what goes around
the hot dog. I love Chicago style dogs. I want
one right now, earlier today you valued had have to
have a cheeseburger before the end of the show. I
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want a Chicago style dog right now, more than sex,
although if sex were offered to me, a hot dog
would probably be warm long enough anyway. But there's this
weird thing after after events snack well, hot dog, then
a little Lovin sure or loven then the hot dog.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Oh, not much dog.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
You don't want hot dog breaths for one thing, right, clearly,
I apologize anyway, where was I? Oh, but there's this
thing in Chicago you can't have ketchup on a hot dog.
People will mock you having a hot dog with my
brother in law Once, I said, what would you say
if I asked if you have any ketchup? You'd say,
I'd ask, are you eight years old?
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, I learned that years ago. I didn't know that
for a long time.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
But yeah, mustard only or other things, but mustard and
other things. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
If you're with a guy who says, let's eat the
hot dog first, find a better lover.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I I look, it was a slip of the tongue.
You know what order these things go in. They just
slip up the tongue. Okay, we got more on the way.
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I thought he was going to say something to the
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do oh Man had a snicker doodle the other night
for the first time in a long time. That's a
damn fine cookie. More food talk be great after your
hot dog. If you've been listening all half hour. Katie
mentioned this in a headline earlier Hangover Hungover Russians thwarted
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Ukraine's Pearl Harbor style attack on Moscow.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So do you remember when Ukraine pulled off.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
One of the great military feats in world military history
when they shipped all those drones into Russia. They were
laying in storage containers and then they all came out at.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
The same time and blew up a whole bunch of
their planes and it was absolutely amazing.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
It was supposed to be And I don't quite understand
if this was supposed to happen at exactly the same
time or like the next day or whatever, But anyway,
they had a Pearl Harbor style attack on Moscow, the
biggest city in Russia. That was supposed to happen, but
it was the day after one of their big holidays,
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Russian Victory Day on May ninth.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
The idea was to.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Humiliate the Russians on their big holiday ah, but so
many Russians had gotten to remember. The drones were moved
around by unsuspecting truck drivers, Russian truck drivers who didn't
know what they.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Were driving around.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
They did just driving shipping containters like to do all
the time, dropped them off.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
They didn't know they're doing.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
So many Russians got so drunk on which of our holiday.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
This was that they were hungover and didn't go to work.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
The next day, and enough of the shipping containers didn't
get shipped that Ukraine had to call off the attack
and it was going to be a major military moment
but didn't happen because too many drunk, hungover Russians.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Whaturiels. Wow, the twists and turns of history are amazing.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
You know, the guy who left is left the door
when Lincoln was watching the play it was supposed to
be there, went to the bar. I mean, there's just
so many things like that that maybe Henah, howffen it's
always has to do with drinking, But there's so many
things like that history and the Civil War, the dropped
secret plans that were wrapped around a cigar.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I mean, look that up. It changed the whole war.
It's just stuff like that happens a lot.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I was going to bring up the Hessians were drunk
there in Trent when washing across the Delaware, right, yeah,
the Delaware.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Anyway, So coming up a couple of notes from science
and follow up on our Slutty Slutty Mammals discussion of yesterday.
Really interesting though, about the nature of human beings in
reproduction and how it's.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Gone rather sideways lately.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Perhaps you've heard that and a separate question from the
world of science. As a former hockey player, I was
especially fascinated by this. I didn't realize scientists have long
disagreed with why ice is slippery, and there have been
various theories posited.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
But then they realize, no, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
That so they finally have what they think is a
pretty good explanation for why ice is slippery.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Why ice is slippery? I feel like I have an answer,
but it must not be good enough, do you Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
It is no doubt anybody's ever fallen on their RS
can attest that I have one particularly hilarious fall on
the ice.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
I'll have to tell about when we get to that story.
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Speaker 4 (18:11):
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Speaker 6 (18:14):
Grocery chains Stu Leonard says gained attention online after it
began offering vanilla sauce serve dipped in melted butter so, yeah,
we're gonna need those Obamacare subsidies.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
That might fit into your story about scientists have figured
out why ice is slippery. I don't quite understand how
you could dip an ice cream cone into melted butter
and have that work. Seems like it would just melt
your ice cream cone into the melted butter and you'd
end up with a bakingt Now you'd quickly you quick
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dip it in the butter hardens on your ice cream,
and you have an inedible thing nobody should ever put
in their mouth.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, I don't. It's funny.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I hear about that, and I think, oh, another dumb
novelty ice cream flavor. People who are like delighted by
that over and over again, garlic ice cream, you know,
pickle flavored ice cream.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
They're happier than I am. They're lucky. I should them.
They are bear flavored pizza.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Yahd people will always react with joy to those stories.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
You're right, they are happier than you are. Yeah, huh.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Anyway, so we talked about this scientist to laugh aboot
every that's what she said, joke.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Some of them are very amusing, Oh, some of them are.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Some of them are you remember, for a while we
went with behind the scenes just like in prison, which
which is a tougher one to find. It's more it's
a more advanced form of that's what she said.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I got a big laugh out of My brothers got
our old coworker Jay told us this one one of
the funniest things I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
His thing to say.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
If somebody walked into a room, so he's having a
conversation with somebody, somebody up to him, they don't know
what you're talking about, and you just say, and that's why.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Women shouldn't pull vault anyway, what can I do for you? Right?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Hilarious, It's very very funny. Was that Jay Or was
that Tim? Tim the sales guy? That was j Okay?
So anyway, we were talking yesterday about how humans rank
on the scale of monogamy compared to other mammals.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
It was a fascinating discussion.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
At the top of the list, the California deer mouse
is apparently one monogamous and at the bottom is the
slutty slutty soay sheep native to Scotland that just will
mate with anything that wanders by and is pretty interesting.
We got some good email comments too that we're we're intriguing.
Are you using the term mate and have sex interchangeably?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Yeah, although, as we discussed yesterday, with humans, it's much
more complicated than other beasts because A, we have birth control.
B we might copulate with multiple partners and then be
monogamous once we started producing children. See might have just
done three shots at yegermeister, right, yeah, unfortunate anyway, it
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can skew the results. But so I did it a
little digging about, all right, how how monogamous are human
beings meant to be biologically? Because in you know, being
a human, we have societal pressures as well, cultural norms, religion,
that sort of thing. We have a word for that
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out of Marxism. This is a social construct. Oh, the
patriarchy is pushed upon you. Some shut up now, yeah,
please be quiet, you you woke idiots. Anyway, so I
just did a little digging about what do biologists think
we're designed to be?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And the answer is pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Anthropology doesn't really get we have a clear answer to
the question, are we meant to be monogamous or not?
Historically most cultures have allowed polygamy, but within such cultures,
most people are monogamous. In the numerous cultures where polygamy
is a function of wealth, there are no doubt many
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monogamous men who would be polygamous if they could buy
more wives. And then, of course there are the rare
polyandrous cultures where one woman may have multiple husbands. Other primates, though,
offer insights into our human nature. Among the hundreds of
primate species, by the way, worth mentioning, every single damn
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one of them has two sexes, male and female. Anyway,
Some are polygamous, including are close relatives chimps and baboons.
Others are monogamous, like gibbons and marmo sets. Each group
has a different cluster of biological and behavioral traits. Here's
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where I thought it gets really interesting. Among your polyamorous primates.
The males typically spend much of their time competing for
high rank in dominance hierarchies, so that gets them to
mate with the hot hot you know, lady chimps for instance,
So they drive a cool car or have nice clothes
right exactly, fly private anyway, that gives them mating access
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to females.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
So in those speed.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Mating access is not the sexiest urnament I know, I know,
I know.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Males are so in these species, the polyamorous ones. Males
are far more aggressive, much bigger, heavier, and more muscular
than the females, and they have bigger canine teeth the
better to slash an opponent with Male baboons, for example,
have twice the body weight in canine length of the females.
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They are literally twice as big as the females. Such
primates are often called, for good reason tournament species.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Ooh, tournament species. Males in these bigger canine teeth. Could
I get those?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Implanet? Oh absolutely you could?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
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Speaker 1 (24:09):
Good luck returning it.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
So, males in these species have higher metabolic rates in
shorter lifespans than the females, and they basically put zero
effort into caring for kids. In other words, all the
female gets is the male's genes, and the females select
for males with good genes period, which has led to
the evolution of conspicuous, conspicuous, costly displays in males that
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advertise good genes, flamboyant facial coloration, big capes of hair,
silver backs. They're the primate equivalents of peacocks with their
beautiful feathers.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I always thought my flamboyant facial coloration was working for me.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Because bright red when I get mad, right right, ooh,
he's sexy. Look how angry he is now.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Because the fertile females will mate with multi to pull males,
tisk tisk, male mail competition extends to sperm competition. So
by primate standards, polygamous male primates have large testes as
a percentage of body weight and high sperm production.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
And they will happily.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah actually, and they'll happily mate with anyone in the
county who is ovulating. So they walk around with their
long incisors, their huge size.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
They're big balls. The rest of it.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Now, among your monogamous pair bonding primates, who's ovulating them
ready for a mating episode. Critically, the males do much
of the infant care. Thus you don't see a male
indiscriminately mating left and right, or fighting others for a
chance to do so, since he'll be doing a lot
of work.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
If there's a child, I gotta stack a laundry.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
You wouldn't believe he'll be raising a family in these primates,
there isn't a high degree of sexual dimorphism, meaning huge
different in body sized, musculature, metabolism, and lifespan, and males
don't have those garish secondary sexual characteristics like the polygamous
species does. Testes or smaller sperm count, low mating infrequent,
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and these profiles are consistent.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
If ten seconds into.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Watching a newly discovered type of prime meat you see
that the males are twice the size of females and
have flashing neon noses, the issue is settled.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
It's a polygamous species.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
If you can't, if it takes a minute to tell
the difference between the sexes, they're monogamous.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Well, what I think is, did this just both ways
worked evolutionarily speaking, and.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Could have gone either way? It just went one way
for one reason. Or is it that particular animal that
way better than the other way.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Don't know enough to answer that question, but it's a
good one.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
I set a super super into evolutionary stuff and watches
gazillions of videos about it, and I have learned from
him that it's not near you'd think, after all these
gazillions of years, we'd like really perfected it. There's a
lot of luck involved in some ways, there's two ways.
Sometimes there's two ways to get to the same point,
(27:09):
and this way is as good as that way.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
So human beings, you know, in one part, a different
human species did it this way, and this human species
did it this way, not for any particular reason, just
kind of worked out that way. Yeah, So let's bring
it home to humans now. So you get your polygamous
with their big incisors and their huge size and their
short life spans the rest of it. Then you got
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the entirely monogamous. They're much harder to tell apart, blah
blah blah. So by these various biological measures, are human
a pair bonding or a tournament species, neither Across populations,
men are roughly ten percent taller and twenty percent heavier
than women. We need twenty percent more calories and live
about six percent shorter, more sexually dimorphic than monogamous species,
(27:57):
less than polygamous species, or over compared with say, monogamous
gibbons human billy gibbons, for instance, of zz top human
males have bigger testes and higher sperm counts, but pale
in comparison to polygamous chimps.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Measure after measure, it's the same.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Turns out that we aren't monogamous or polygamous by nature,
as everyone from poets to divorce attorneys can attest, we
are by nature a profoundly confused species somewhere in between.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Well, we have because we have the ability to think
and make decisions and let our instincts run wild or
curtail our instincts. If we'd come up with a.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Worldview that convinces this, we should. Indeed, yeah, indeed, monkeys
are not thinking about what would Jesus do when it
comes to, you know, having sex with another monkey.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
They should, but they don't.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
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get laid are going around trying to comcease. You know,
we're not meant to be monogamous. That's a social construct.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
What ever? Shut up? Yeah, you know what?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Somebody uses the term social construct for anything. I immediately think,
all right, your worldview came from.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Some radical professor.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
It exists, but it doesn't exist nearly as much as
you think it exists. There chum anyway, So really interesting
demographic data is coming out. We've talked about it before
about women's changing expectations and politics and desire to get
married and desire to have kids and that sort of thing.
(30:36):
And as we mentioned yesterday, I think it was men,
particularly conservative men, are as interested in having children as
they have ever been. Well that's an overstatement, but certainly
compared to like twenty thirty years ago.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
They are absolutely young.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Men are interested in it, and women are way less interested.
And the more liberal they are, the interested they are
in having children. And there's this imbalanced mismatch between men
and women and their desire to get coupled and have
children that sort of thing. And nobody knows where this
is going, or if it's going to be a long
(31:11):
term trend or whatever. The gaps among liberal women are
just crazy. They've changed completely in twenty years thirty years
in their attitudes. What seems to be changing is women's expectations,
and the likely culprit is men's prospects rights.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Who is this?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
She writes really well Emily Joshinsky for The Washington Post.
Do we have time for this?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Ladies?
Speaker 5 (31:37):
You need to find one of those tournament dudes with
the really big testicles.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Wow wow, Okay, great historical data shows that when men's
educational economic outcomes decline, it is women without a college
degree who experienced the sharpest declines in marriage rates. And
women's perceived appeal as marriage partners is not declining, but
men's is. And what Emily brings home And maybe when
(32:03):
we have more time, we'll talk about this at greater length.
But she goes into the whole war on boys in schools,
the de industrialization efforts to make schools just custom made
for girls and act like boys are unhealthy, And I
love this last part. The trend line of women reporting
a declining desire to marry me indeed reflect pessimism about
(32:24):
their prospects, rather than the institution itself, and not for
ideological reasons so much as crack practical ones.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
If the last several.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Decades have taught us anything about the battle of the sexes,
we should remember that the war on boys is also
a war on girls.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Yeah, you know, I have more to say about that,
because I know a lot of women who talk about
the poor pickings out there for dudes. You know, this
is portrayed as women don't want to get married. Okay,
maybe they don't want to get married to dudes who
live with their parents and play video games all day
and who have been systematically emasculated by you and the
schools you designed.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, that's a complicated mix. And amen from Katie there. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,
nice job. The war on boys is a war on girls.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
My band is going to be my rock band, My
heavy rock band is going to be called Tournament Testicles.
That'd be a good name for a base I'm not
going to your shows. I don't care if there's no cover,
I'm not coming. You got to see the logo.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
All right? Stay here.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Oh we're having an off air conversation about the last topic.
And I used the term orchidometer, and Katie you looked
surprised that I knew the term for the instrument one
uses to measure.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
The size of testicles. Do you know why I know that? Why,
Joe and I know that because you guys have measured
your testicles. I don't know. No, I have not, and
I never think about mine in the magnificent as related
to other people.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I've never thought about it for a second. No, When
one of the world's greatest baseball players all time Barry
Bonds was why was he in legal trouble about the
steroids thing? Anyway, they measured his testicles with the instrument
you use, apparently an orchanometer, to try to determine whether
his testicles had gotten smaller, which would have been evidence
(34:13):
that he was using human growth hormone or steroids or
whatever to uh.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Have an advantage in baseball. He was actual part of
the legal case.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
And the fans start to chant.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Barry right right, So just always remembered the name of
that particular piece of equipment that I wouldn't think you'd.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Need very often crucial information to have.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Well, let's see you need it very much or you
don't need it at all. It's not like a Phillips
screwdriver comes in hand a lot. He's gonna need one eventually.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It's not coming handy a lot.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Oh, speaking of science, maybe next hour, that's right, we
do four hours. If you don't get all four hours
or you don't have you got to do something, grab
it fire podcast. You ought to follow a subscribe to
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And indeed, if you get a chance, give us a
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(35:07):
our brand of I would like to think fairly common
sense of coal, fervent patriotism, and reasonableness might become more
common in America instead of less. Anyway, so I brought
you part of this story. I didn't understand the full story.
Oh wait a second, did I finish my sentence slippery?
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Why? I'm gonna pay that off an hour four?
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Okay, science thinks they finally know why ice is slippery?
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Fascinating.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
I mentioned that Disney is going to allow open Ai
to use their characters in chat GPT.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I didn't realize the rest of that headline.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Is Disney to invest one billion dollars in open Ai
and license characters for use chat GPT. This is a
big boost for chat GPT, which we talked about the
other day. Sam all And had decided we're not making
enough money on this pursuing artificial intelligence, saying we need
to focus on chat GPT for a while. That's where
(36:09):
the money is. People love that and it's easy to understand.
This is a big step that direction, with Disney saying, hey,
you can use all our characters. People can go online
and make all kinds of crazy videos and pictures using
Disney characters. We're not going to sue you. And here's
a billion dollars. So chat GPT getting a.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Big leg up there. They're feeling Google catching up behind them,
and we're really worried about it.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
As the race to destroy humanity continues. Now, apparently a
lot of people Google was allowing people to use Disney
characters for stuff, and Disney has tried to sue Google
or get him to stop. I'm interesting to watch how
this works over time, whether it's music or images or whatever,
or written stuff. I mean, that's like impossible to police, right, right,
(37:01):
It's going to be very hard to hold on to
your intellectual property in the world of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Damn near impossible.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
So anyway, like Joe mentioned, we do a lot of
different hours and different segments. If you miss any, you
can find it in the podcast Armstrong and Getty on
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Fourteen hundred and fifty five dollars a month for healthcare
premium has got my attention. And I think our senators
and congressmans, House members, all of them need to come
together and get in a room and let's duke this out.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Let's fix it.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It's making us reevaluate leaving the corporate world. If we
had to go back to corporate America because we can't
afford access to healthcare, not even healthcare, just access to healthcare,
that would be a shame.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
God.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
I hate this topic. It's so annoying, and of lies,
it's incredibly complicated.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Some aspects of it are yeah, yeah, definitely. Well the
whole it's just oh yeah, oh my god. Yeah. It's
the how discouraging it is that gets to me. Because
when you're talking about Obamacare and the subsidies and the
current debate going on and blah blah blah, if anybody
had any good faith desire to figure out what's working
(01:30):
and what's not and what's a good expenditure of people's
tax dollars. We wouldn't be anywhere close to what we're
dealing with right now. It's it's an obscenely dysfunctional program.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Well, I'm gonna play the role of mean conservative. I
don't believe healthcare is a right. I'm fine with it
being tied to employment. Get out there and get a
freaking job that gives you health care. That'd be my message.
And so we always end up having these non stop
conversations about a tiny percentage of people.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
So I reached out to Craig Gottwalls. He's our healthcare experty,
is a healthcare expert.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
He is one of the best that exists, and he
can help your company with its healthcare costs. We shall
probably hit you with a website or something, since Craig
went to all this work.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
But I said, how many people are we even talking
about here?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
About twenty two million people that are getting the subsidies
that we're talking about here, they're going to have their
premiums go up compared to, for instance, one hundred and
sixty five million people that got a job that has healthcare.
That's the vast majority of us out there. And then
if you're either poor or older. You got another seventy
(02:37):
seven million on Medicaid and sixty nine million on Medicare.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
That's a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Then you get down to that twenty two million new
subdies that are going to go up. Now, if Obamacare
had worked the way it was sold to, let me
throw in their temporary COVID subsidies are going to be reduced,
right and go back to the original ones couple of years.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
All right, Well, it looks to me, if I understand
this right, maybe we ought to have Craig on in
the coming weeks, probably in the new year, because this
is going to be like the big topic for Congress
at the beginning of the year. It looks to me
like COVID came along at an opportune time with these
subsidies and everything like that, and covered up all kinds
of price explosions that we're going to hit and we're
(03:23):
going to have this conversation anyway, and that kind of
got masked by COVID and the government stepping into helping
the downtrodden. If Obamacare had worked the way it was
supposed to, says Craig, these extra subsidies should be unnecessary
by now. The promise was that any lists all these
different things that were supposed to happen, then the market
was going to stabilize at an affordable level, so you
(03:46):
wouldn't have needed any of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well, that never happened.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Instead, the ACA rules that's Obamacare, drove individual market premiums
sharply higher, guaranteed blah.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
So the pandemic era enhanced subseaes didn't fix the underlying pricing.
They just threw more federal money at the higher premiums
so people wouldn't feel the full hit. So that kind
of masked everything during COVID and now.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
All being borrowed at increasingly high interest rates. Yes, we
are spending money. We don't have to do what we're
talking about.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So the current.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Outcry isn't because Obamacare succeeded and now we're cruelly rolling
back a core feature.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It's almost the exact opposite.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Obamacare helped inflate the sticker price of individual coverage, and
now that the temporary they were supposed to be temporary,
and everybody, including many Republicans, now are looking at making
them permanent. Are scheduled to go away, the underlying cost
problem is exposed again.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So uh yeah, And.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
The news today in the Wall Street Journal is that
there are a lot of Republicans that aren't comfortable with
allowing these premiums to go back to what they were
supposed to be because you know, you're the party of
the working class and all that, and it's so easy
to demogogue.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Just listen to Chuck Schumer's messaging about this. The poor
are gonna lose their healthcare thanks to the Republicans, and
a right, sure, yeah, a lot of people believe that crap,
and when instead the conversation ought to be as it
is like among you know, Craig and people who know
what they're talking about. Holy cow, the hilariously named Affordable
(05:25):
Care Act. That's a six hundred pound guy who calls
himself tiny. The hilariously named Affordable Care Act is a disaster.
It was fraud to begin with and is worse than
anybody thought.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
You either like this system or you don't.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I took jobs bad job, I mean bad bad is
a bad U quote bad jobs. They didn't pay that
well and I hated the work, but they provided healthcare.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
I worked a number of bad jobs when I was young,
so I would have health insurance because I remember my
dad telling name when I was like eighteen years old.
He said, you step off a curbram, break your ankle,
you go bankrupt if you don't have health insurance. So
I always made sure I had health insurance, and I
worked some crappy jobs to make sure I did. But
a lot of people think that's a horror that.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
It shouldn't be that way.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
You shouldn't have to do anything, and for whatever reason
you aren't working currently, there should be some sort of
affordable health insurance for you.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
And you either believe health insurance is a writer you don't.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Before you fire off an angry email, let me just
step in and say I disagree with Jack. It's the
nature of the economy has changed. Gig work that sort
of thing. A lot of employers don't offer healthcare benefits.
We need a system in addition to employee sponsored healthcare plans.
Well they don't anymore since we came up with a
plan where you don't necessarily have to if we don't
(06:45):
know how many companies would have been offering insurance if
we had to continue down the same road. Yeah, we
got a chicken and egg thing going on. Yeah, they
feed into each other, no doubt. But putting aside you're
angry oversimplified red meat hurling screen we've got now sucks.
It doesn't work. It's a bucket with holes in it.
You fill it at the well, you walk down the
(07:07):
street and the water polls out on the street. Stop
saying it's a bucket, it's not.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It's a sieve.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Well before Able Care Act is terrible. You always have
to go back to the goal. Then it all makes sense.
If you remember the goal, it all makes sense. The
goal is for it to get more expensive and crazier
and more maddening and more confusing to where enough people
say government health care for everybody, my single pair system,
(07:37):
and then that and then.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
We're done, right right, that's the goal.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
And the Republican Party isn't clever enough, or you know,
maybe the mountain is too steep to climb, but they
are not clever enough to let the American people know
what they need to know, which is that the system
doesn't work. It needs seriously to be reformed. Their pockets
are being lined by the insurance giants, which are getting crazy,
crazy rich on this we've had the stories for you
(08:02):
recently of the the hundreds of thousand millions I can't
even remember of accounts that were created, and then that
person never asked for any healthcare of any sort. Well,
that's because those accounts are being opened on their behalf.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
They don't even know they exist.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
But the giant subsidies are being paid to the insurance
companies for instance.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
It's just I don't know, Wall, you gotta admit the
I think the uh, the the whole notion of healthcare
is and tied to employment.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
A lot of people find that horrific. I don't know,
but a lot what that number is. But that's the
way it was forever.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
I worked part time jobs that gave me health care
because to get me.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
To work there they had to at that time.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
You don't have that tore, Yeah, yeah, I just I
think it's that market for labor's changed a lot since then.
But you know, we're an outlier, and the whole employer
based healthcare thing is outliar internationally, and it's as you know,
a vestige of you know, unions that were prevented from
(09:08):
getting price or wage increases during various you know, wage
cap periods in our history, and so they said, well,
you can't give us more wages. How much you pay
for our doctor bills? And that's just metastasized. But you know,
whether that's the right system or not, we can argue
about another time. But again, nobody would unless they were
(09:30):
seriously profoundly psychotic design the system we have right now,
And yet we act like any even tweaked to it,
any reasonable tweak to it is somehow a horror perpetrated
against the populace.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I just I give up on self governance. We need
a king. Can we just get to the bottom line?
We need a king.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Well, that number I gave you the vast majority of
people having healthcare through their employers.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
So I wonder what that percentage will be in twenty years.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Be a lot lower probably, so yeah, yeah, So a
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the hot dog. I love Chicago style dogs. I want
one right now, earlier today you valued had have to
have a cheeseburger before the end of the show. I
(13:04):
want a Chicago style dog right now, more than sex,
although if sex were offered to me, a hot dog
would probably be warm long enough anyway. But there's this
weird thing after after events snack well, hot dog, then
a little Lovin sure or loven then the hot dog.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Oh, not much dog.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
You don't want hot dog breaths for one thing, right, clearly,
I apologize anyway, where was I? Oh, but there's this
thing in Chicago you can't have ketchup on a hot dog.
People will mock you having a hot dog with my
brother in law Once, I said, what would you say
if I asked if you have any ketchup? You'd say,
I'd ask, are you eight years old?
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, I learned that years ago. I didn't know that
for a long time.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
But yeah, mustard only or other things, but mustard and
other things. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah.
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If you're with a guy who says, let's eat the
hot dog first, find a better lover.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I I look, it was a slip of the tongue.
You know what order these things go in. They just
slip up the tongue. Okay, we got more on the way.
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I thought he was going to say something to the
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Speaker 1 (14:52):
So do you remember when Ukraine pulled off.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
One of the great military feats in world military history
when they shipped all those drones into Russia. They were
laying in storage containers and then they all came out at.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
The same time and blew up a whole bunch of
their planes and it was absolutely amazing.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
It was supposed to be And I don't quite understand
if this was supposed to happen at exactly the same
time or like the next day or whatever, But anyway,
they had a Pearl Harbor style attack on Moscow, the
biggest city in Russia. That was supposed to happen, but
it was the day after one of their big holidays,
(15:30):
Russian Victory Day on May ninth.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
The idea was to.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Humiliate the Russians on their big holiday ah, but so
many Russians had gotten to remember. The drones were moved
around by unsuspecting truck drivers, Russian truck drivers who didn't
know what they.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Were driving around.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
They did just driving shipping containters like to do all
the time, dropped them off.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
They didn't know they're doing.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
So many Russians got so drunk on which of our holiday.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
This was that they were hungover and didn't go to work.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
The next day, and enough of the shipping containers didn't
get shipped that Ukraine had to call off the attack
and it was going to be a major military moment
but didn't happen because too many drunk, hungover Russians.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Whaturiels. Wow, the twists and turns of history are amazing.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
You know, the guy who left is left the door
when Lincoln was watching the play it was supposed to
be there, went to the bar. I mean, there's just
so many things like that that maybe Henah, howffen it's
always has to do with drinking, But there's so many
things like that history and the Civil War, the dropped
secret plans that were wrapped around a cigar.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I mean, look that up. It changed the whole war.
It's just stuff like that happens a lot.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I was going to bring up the Hessians were drunk
there in Trent when washing across the Delaware, right, yeah,
the Delaware.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Anyway, So coming up a couple of notes from science
and follow up on our Slutty Slutty Mammals discussion of yesterday.
Really interesting though, about the nature of human beings in
reproduction and how it's.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Gone rather sideways lately.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Perhaps you've heard that and a separate question from the
world of science. As a former hockey player, I was
especially fascinated by this. I didn't realize scientists have long
disagreed with why ice is slippery, and there have been
various theories posited.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
But then they realize, no, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
That so they finally have what they think is a
pretty good explanation for why ice is slippery.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Why ice is slippery? I feel like I have an answer,
but it must not be good enough, do you Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
It is no doubt anybody's ever fallen on their RS
can attest that I have one particularly hilarious fall on
the ice.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
I'll have to tell about when we get to that story.
Have you missed a segment get the podcast Armstrong and
Getty on demand.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Grocery chains Stu Leonard says gained attention online after it
began offering vanilla sauce serve dipped in melted butter so, yeah,
we're gonna need those Obamacare subsidies.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
That might fit into your story about scientists have figured
out why ice is slippery. I don't quite understand how
you could dip an ice cream cone into melted butter
and have that work. Seems like it would just melt
your ice cream cone into the melted butter and you'd
end up with a bakingt Now you'd quickly you quick
(18:49):
dip it in the butter hardens on your ice cream,
and you have an inedible thing nobody should ever put
in their mouth.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, I don't. It's funny.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I hear about that, and I think, oh, another dumb
novelty ice cream flavor. People who are like delighted by
that over and over again, garlic ice cream, you know,
pickle flavored ice cream.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
They're happier than I am. They're lucky. I should them.
They are bear flavored pizza.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Yahd people will always react with joy to those stories.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
You're right, they are happier than you are. Yeah, huh.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Anyway, so we talked about this scientist to laugh aboot
every that's what she said, joke.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Some of them are very amusing, Oh, some of them are.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Some of them are you remember, for a while we
went with behind the scenes just like in prison, which
which is a tougher one to find. It's more it's
a more advanced form of that's what she said.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I got a big laugh out of My brothers got
our old coworker Jay told us this one one of
the funniest things I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
His thing to say.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
If somebody walked into a room, so he's having a
conversation with somebody, somebody up to him, they don't know
what you're talking about, and you just say, and that's why.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Women shouldn't pull vault anyway, what can I do for you? Right?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Hilarious, It's very very funny. Was that Jay Or was
that Tim? Tim the sales guy? That was j Okay?
So anyway, we were talking yesterday about how humans rank
on the scale of monogamy compared to other mammals.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
It was a fascinating discussion.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
At the top of the list, the California deer mouse
is apparently one monogamous and at the bottom is the
slutty slutty soay sheep native to Scotland that just will
mate with anything that wanders by and is pretty interesting.
We got some good email comments too that we're we're intriguing.
Are you using the term mate and have sex interchangeably?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Yeah, although, as we discussed yesterday, with humans, it's much
more complicated than other beasts because A, we have birth control.
B we might copulate with multiple partners and then be
monogamous once we started producing children. See might have just
done three shots at yegermeister, right, yeah, unfortunate anyway, it
(21:15):
can skew the results. But so I did it a
little digging about, all right, how how monogamous are human
beings meant to be biologically? Because in you know, being
a human, we have societal pressures as well, cultural norms, religion,
that sort of thing. We have a word for that
(21:36):
out of Marxism. This is a social construct. Oh, the
patriarchy is pushed upon you. Some shut up now, yeah,
please be quiet, you you woke idiots. Anyway, so I
just did a little digging about what do biologists think
we're designed to be?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And the answer is pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Anthropology doesn't really get we have a clear answer to
the question, are we meant to be monogamous or not?
Historically most cultures have allowed polygamy, but within such cultures,
most people are monogamous. In the numerous cultures where polygamy
is a function of wealth, there are no doubt many
(22:18):
monogamous men who would be polygamous if they could buy
more wives. And then, of course there are the rare
polyandrous cultures where one woman may have multiple husbands. Other primates, though,
offer insights into our human nature. Among the hundreds of
primate species, by the way, worth mentioning, every single damn
(22:39):
one of them has two sexes, male and female. Anyway,
Some are polygamous, including are close relatives chimps and baboons.
Others are monogamous, like gibbons and marmo sets. Each group
has a different cluster of biological and behavioral traits. Here's
(23:00):
where I thought it gets really interesting. Among your polyamorous primates.
The males typically spend much of their time competing for
high rank in dominance hierarchies, so that gets them to
mate with the hot hot you know, lady chimps for instance,
So they drive a cool car or have nice clothes
right exactly, fly private anyway, that gives them mating access
(23:23):
to females.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
So in those speed.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Mating access is not the sexiest urnament I know, I know,
I know.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Males are so in these species, the polyamorous ones. Males
are far more aggressive, much bigger, heavier, and more muscular
than the females, and they have bigger canine teeth the
better to slash an opponent with Male baboons, for example,
have twice the body weight in canine length of the females.
(23:52):
They are literally twice as big as the females. Such
primates are often called, for good reason tournament species.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Ooh, tournament species. Males in these bigger canine teeth. Could
I get those?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Implanet? Oh absolutely you could?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yeah, absolutely, or order away for this supplement guaranteed to work.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Good luck returning it.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
So, males in these species have higher metabolic rates in
shorter lifespans than the females, and they basically put zero
effort into caring for kids. In other words, all the
female gets is the male's genes, and the females select
for males with good genes period, which has led to
the evolution of conspicuous, conspicuous, costly displays in males that
(24:33):
advertise good genes, flamboyant facial coloration, big capes of hair,
silver backs. They're the primate equivalents of peacocks with their
beautiful feathers.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I always thought my flamboyant facial coloration was working for me.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Because bright red when I get mad, right right, ooh,
he's sexy. Look how angry he is now.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Because the fertile females will mate with multi to pull males,
tisk tisk, male mail competition extends to sperm competition. So
by primate standards, polygamous male primates have large testes as
a percentage of body weight and high sperm production.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
And they will happily.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah actually, and they'll happily mate with anyone in the
county who is ovulating. So they walk around with their
long incisors, their huge size.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
They're big balls. The rest of it.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Now, among your monogamous pair bonding primates, who's ovulating them
ready for a mating episode. Critically, the males do much
of the infant care. Thus you don't see a male
indiscriminately mating left and right, or fighting others for a
chance to do so, since he'll be doing a lot
of work.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
If there's a child, I gotta stack a laundry.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
You wouldn't believe he'll be raising a family in these primates,
there isn't a high degree of sexual dimorphism, meaning huge
different in body sized, musculature, metabolism, and lifespan, and males
don't have those garish secondary sexual characteristics like the polygamous
species does. Testes or smaller sperm count, low mating infrequent,
(26:13):
and these profiles are consistent.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
If ten seconds into.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Watching a newly discovered type of prime meat you see
that the males are twice the size of females and
have flashing neon noses, the issue is settled.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
It's a polygamous species.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
If you can't, if it takes a minute to tell
the difference between the sexes, they're monogamous.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Well, what I think is, did this just both ways
worked evolutionarily speaking, and.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Could have gone either way? It just went one way
for one reason. Or is it that particular animal that
way better than the other way.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Don't know enough to answer that question, but it's a
good one.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
I set a super super into evolutionary stuff and watches
gazillions of videos about it, and I have learned from
him that it's not near you'd think, after all these
gazillions of years, we'd like really perfected it. There's a
lot of luck involved in some ways, there's two ways.
Sometimes there's two ways to get to the same point,
(27:09):
and this way is as good as that way.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
So human beings, you know, in one part, a different
human species did it this way, and this human species
did it this way, not for any particular reason, just
kind of worked out that way. Yeah, So let's bring
it home to humans now. So you get your polygamous
with their big incisors and their huge size and their
short life spans the rest of it. Then you got
(27:33):
the entirely monogamous. They're much harder to tell apart, blah
blah blah. So by these various biological measures, are human
a pair bonding or a tournament species, neither Across populations,
men are roughly ten percent taller and twenty percent heavier
than women. We need twenty percent more calories and live
about six percent shorter, more sexually dimorphic than monogamous species,
(27:57):
less than polygamous species, or over compared with say, monogamous
gibbons human billy gibbons, for instance, of zz top human
males have bigger testes and higher sperm counts, but pale
in comparison to polygamous chimps.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Measure after measure, it's the same.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Turns out that we aren't monogamous or polygamous by nature,
as everyone from poets to divorce attorneys can attest, we
are by nature a profoundly confused species somewhere in between.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Well, we have because we have the ability to think
and make decisions and let our instincts run wild or
curtail our instincts. If we'd come up with a.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Worldview that convinces this, we should. Indeed, yeah, indeed, monkeys
are not thinking about what would Jesus do when it
comes to, you know, having sex with another monkey.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
They should, but they don't.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
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we're not meant to be monogamous. That's a social construct.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
What ever? Shut up? Yeah, you know what?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Somebody uses the term social construct for anything. I immediately think,
all right, your worldview came from.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Some radical professor.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
It exists, but it doesn't exist nearly as much as
you think it exists. There chum anyway, So really interesting
demographic data is coming out. We've talked about it before
about women's changing expectations and politics and desire to get
married and desire to have kids and that sort of thing.
(30:36):
And as we mentioned yesterday, I think it was men,
particularly conservative men, are as interested in having children as
they have ever been. Well that's an overstatement, but certainly
compared to like twenty thirty years ago.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
They are absolutely young.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Men are interested in it, and women are way less interested.
And the more liberal they are, the interested they are
in having children. And there's this imbalanced mismatch between men
and women and their desire to get coupled and have
children that sort of thing. And nobody knows where this
is going, or if it's going to be a long
(31:11):
term trend or whatever. The gaps among liberal women are
just crazy. They've changed completely in twenty years thirty years
in their attitudes. What seems to be changing is women's expectations,
and the likely culprit is men's prospects rights.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Who is this?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
She writes really well Emily Joshinsky for The Washington Post.
Do we have time for this?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Ladies?
Speaker 5 (31:37):
You need to find one of those tournament dudes with
the really big testicles.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Wow wow, Okay, great historical data shows that when men's
educational economic outcomes decline, it is women without a college
degree who experienced the sharpest declines in marriage rates. And
women's perceived appeal as marriage partners is not declining, but
men's is. And what Emily brings home And maybe when
(32:03):
we have more time, we'll talk about this at greater length.
But she goes into the whole war on boys in schools,
the de industrialization efforts to make schools just custom made
for girls and act like boys are unhealthy, And I
love this last part. The trend line of women reporting
a declining desire to marry me indeed reflect pessimism about
(32:24):
their prospects, rather than the institution itself, and not for
ideological reasons so much as crack practical ones.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
If the last several.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Decades have taught us anything about the battle of the sexes,
we should remember that the war on boys is also
a war on girls.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Yeah, you know, I have more to say about that,
because I know a lot of women who talk about
the poor pickings out there for dudes. You know, this
is portrayed as women don't want to get married. Okay,
maybe they don't want to get married to dudes who
live with their parents and play video games all day
and who have been systematically emasculated by you and the
schools you designed.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, that's a complicated mix. And amen from Katie there. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,
nice job. The war on boys is a war on girls.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
My band is going to be my rock band, My
heavy rock band is going to be called Tournament Testicles.
That'd be a good name for a base I'm not
going to your shows. I don't care if there's no cover,
I'm not coming. You got to see the logo.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
All right? Stay here.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Oh we're having an off air conversation about the last topic.
And I used the term orchidometer, and Katie you looked
surprised that I knew the term for the instrument one
uses to measure.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
The size of testicles. Do you know why I know that? Why,
Joe and I know that because you guys have measured
your testicles. I don't know. No, I have not, and
I never think about mine in the magnificent as related
to other people.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I've never thought about it for a second. No, When
one of the world's greatest baseball players all time Barry
Bonds was why was he in legal trouble about the
steroids thing? Anyway, they measured his testicles with the instrument
you use, apparently an orchanometer, to try to determine whether
his testicles had gotten smaller, which would have been evidence
(34:13):
that he was using human growth hormone or steroids or
whatever to uh.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Have an advantage in baseball. He was actual part of
the legal case.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
And the fans start to chant.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Barry right right, So just always remembered the name of
that particular piece of equipment that I wouldn't think you'd.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Need very often crucial information to have.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Well, let's see you need it very much or you
don't need it at all. It's not like a Phillips
screwdriver comes in hand a lot. He's gonna need one eventually.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It's not coming handy a lot.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Oh, speaking of science, maybe next hour, that's right, we
do four hours. If you don't get all four hours
or you don't have you got to do something, grab
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And indeed, if you get a chance, give us a
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(35:07):
our brand of I would like to think fairly common
sense of coal, fervent patriotism, and reasonableness might become more
common in America instead of less. Anyway, so I brought
you part of this story. I didn't understand the full story.
Oh wait a second, did I finish my sentence slippery?
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Why? I'm gonna pay that off an hour four?
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Okay, science thinks they finally know why ice is slippery?
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Fascinating.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
I mentioned that Disney is going to allow open Ai
to use their characters in chat GPT.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I didn't realize the rest of that headline.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Is Disney to invest one billion dollars in open Ai
and license characters for use chat GPT. This is a
big boost for chat GPT, which we talked about the
other day. Sam all And had decided we're not making
enough money on this pursuing artificial intelligence, saying we need
to focus on chat GPT for a while. That's where
(36:09):
the money is. People love that and it's easy to understand.
This is a big step that direction, with Disney saying, hey,
you can use all our characters. People can go online
and make all kinds of crazy videos and pictures using
Disney characters. We're not going to sue you. And here's
a billion dollars. So chat GPT getting a.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Big leg up there. They're feeling Google catching up behind them,
and we're really worried about it.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
As the race to destroy humanity continues. Now, apparently a
lot of people Google was allowing people to use Disney
characters for stuff, and Disney has tried to sue Google
or get him to stop. I'm interesting to watch how
this works over time, whether it's music or images or whatever,
or written stuff. I mean, that's like impossible to police, right, right,
(37:01):
It's going to be very hard to hold on to
your intellectual property in the world of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Damn near impossible.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
So anyway, like Joe mentioned, we do a lot of
different hours and different segments. If you miss any, you
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