September 11, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour one of the Thursday September 11, 2025 edition of The Armstrong & Getty Show features...
- Our initial thoughts on the murder of Charlie Kirk...
- Jensen Rader brings us the latest headlines...
- Why we need to defend free speech...
- Mailbag.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Kaddy.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Armstrong and Joy and He.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Arm Drawn live from a studio c in a dimly
lit room either them the bowels of the Armstrong and
Getting Communications Compound. And today, y'all, we're under the tutelage
of our general manager.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Of course, in his message, which I pray will carry
on or perhaps even be amplified.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And what message was that.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
That we need to talk to each other civilly and
trade ideas out in the open. It was also a
fierce advocate for conservative notions and against the woke crowd.
But his methods were entirely enthusiastically peaceful and friendly.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, for that, he was murdered. It's hard to imagine
a a more American thing than going around to college
campuses and saying, who disagrees with me, move to the front,
and then you have a reasonable discussion about things. I mean,
(01:36):
if we can't do that, we are one hundred percent doomed.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, I would, I would say so.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I mean that is as basic to the structure of
people being able to govern themselves as you can possibly
get and if if we no longer can do that,
and I question whether we can. I mean, one political
view has not been welcome on college campuses for a
(02:07):
very long time. And if we can't do that, then
then I guess people can't govern themselves and you have
to have a king or a dictator because we're just
incapable of.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Holment together.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
So it would seem so a little contrast here turning
point USA's announcement about Charlie's visit that ended in his assassination.
Joined Charlie Kirk on campus for a lively discussion of
freedom in America. Don't agree with Charlie, great, go to
the front of the line.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
See you there.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Meanwhile, change dot org, the progressive organization, put out a
statement Kirk's presence and the message he delivers let's just
stop there. Kirk's presence stands in contrast to the values
of understanding, acceptance, and progress that many of us hold dear.
His very right to and acceptance of the invitation to
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speak is an outrage to those people.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, uh, that's one of the reasons I'm very down
about this. I am not optimistic at all that we
can turn this around, maybe at all, certainly not a
short term. No, we're not going to stop claiming that
the other side is out to jaal us, throw in
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prison or kill us. We're not gonna stop doing that.
I don't think because of the function of social media
and our culture combined with social media, with modern communication,
I just I'm not sure it can be fixed, right right,
As I've said many times. Oh, just a quick observation that, yeah,
I share your pessimism. Because some prominent politicians, like the
(03:54):
most prominent ones on the Republican side, said we've got
to stop the violence, for instance, and they called out
only left wing violence, right and then many many Democrats
rolled out and said we've got to stop the violence
and called out only right wing violence.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
As we have said before, and.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
People are saying no, when people start calling out their
own side, then we have a chance. But I don't
know when that's going to occur, right right, Well, and
back to your internet point.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And this is uh, this is one of the firmest
beliefs I have about the modern world. And some of
you have heard me say this before, so I'll give
you the short version. But for all of human history,
if you had an awful, unhinged idea. Everyone around you,
your world would tell you that's an awful, unhinged idea
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because there's only one jackass that you know for five
hundred square miles who thinks something is stupid and unhinged
as you, Right, But if you get on the Internet,
that same ratio of one one stupid sick person every
five hundred miles is a community of eight hundred thousand
worldwide who then enforce each other's stupid, vicious, sick ideas.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
How we get beyond that? I don't have any idea, well,
and it gets better if you lean that political direction.
The algorithm of whatever site you go to on a
regular basis feeds you that stuff as if that's the
only thing that's out there, and feeds you the worst
of the other side to amplify your discuss with them.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I don't know the right metaphor, but I think healthy
people saying people need to start looking at the Internet
like I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And again I don't know what the right metaphor is.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
But something like fentanyl, for instance, which is an extremely
useful surgical drug and incredibly horribly.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Dangerous, couldn't be more dangerous the Internet is that it's
wonderful and horribly dangerous. I think people are cognizant of that.
I like a lot of people thought when the Internet
came along, that, you know, the democratization of information and
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doing away with the gatekeepers of information was such a
good thing. It clearly was not and is not, and
I don't know if there's any coming back. I was
happy to see that almost entirely your old school gatecp
keepers yesterday treated this like the tragedy. It was like
I watched the ABC Evening News. They treated this one
hundred percent like the tragedy. It was from the beginning.
(06:40):
I thought that was great. All living presidents, all your
big time leaders, Nancy Pelosi, whoever, everybody. They said the
right things, the gatekeepers, but they just don't have the
influence they used to have.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Right, and so certainly not over the sort of people
who would engage in this sort.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Of horror, Right do you think I was thinking about
this on the drive in. They're discussing on Fox how
this is the first time that anybody can remember when
there's been a major a major assassination or a major
assassination attempt where you don't have the person very quickly,
like practically immediately. Yeah, So uh does that help the
(07:21):
discussion or hurt the discussion that we don't have any
idea who it is? I almost think it helps us
frame the discussion around our political discourse that it's out
of control when something needs to be done, because once
you get the individual and you start looking into the
things they think and say, and then it waters everything
down and then.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
They're prosecuting them and their beliefs as opposed to just
violence in general.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Right, and uh, and it's possible the guys a complete loan.
It's it's possible that it's a well thought out, coordinated
with some group or country they were talking about on
I hadn't even thought about that. Charlie Kirk was a
big enough deal that there could have been countries that
would have been willing to take him out but anyway.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Or he was a dedicated Zionist, so it could be
a transnational movement of a certain religion. Yeah, it could
be that I have any information that's true. It just
could be could be something big like that, or he
could be a complete loon. The guy that's on trial
right now for the second Trump assassination is a complete lunatic. Yeah,
but obviously the current state of rhetoric in this country
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gets through to the lunatics and tips them off that hey,
now's the time, this is do or die time. Do
you want to be a patriot? Takeout whoever?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well right?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And the.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Spectrum of how grounded in reality you are ranges from
you know, perfectly saying to completely psychotic, and it's fairly
rare you see an assassination who's an assassin rather who's
fully sane. They're usually unhinged at one level or another.
But again, given the reinforcement of the ideas of the unhinged,
(09:05):
I mean, without even dabbling into the world of AI
which I was just reading about, how it aided and
embedded a young man committing suicide in a way that
is just unthinkable. There are enough people like that that
the sane among us have to think hard and long
about what, if anything, can be done about it?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
What are your network? Crime and justice reporters said. Officials
believe this was a very well thoroughly planned out assassination,
as it almost had to be to you know, know
where he was going to be, know where you should
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be to get the line of sight, have an escape plan.
Usually these people don't have any plan for getting out.
This person got out of there, I mean, so it's.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Who knows.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I hope it wasn't coordinated by some other country or
transnational group. It's not good no matter what. I don't know,
I am not.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
A friend of mine the other day I was talking
about something and was talking about how I'm always so
long term optimistic, and I am about myself in my
own little world I can control. I'm always long term
optimistic for whatever reason. I am not about the state
of our politics at all. Long term optimistic. No, I
would agree. I would agree completely. Getting back to the.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Murderer, the horrifying destroyer of not only a young man's
life and young children's dad, I just woman's husband.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I just heard someone and the kids were there. I
didn't know that they were there. Oh was that right?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
They were at the event. Oh that's horrible.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, But so a monster who is willing to do
that sort of damage to the fabric of the United
States and it's people, not just the family. I certainly
hope he has caught. I presume it's a male as
quickly as possible. Let's hope that because there was a
vehicle involved almost certainly in the approach in the getaway,
(11:15):
and college campuses are reasonably secure that the authorities have
the evidence that they need to track this guy down eventually.
What a nightmare scenario it would be if he were
to disappear into the woods and never be apprehended.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I can't imagine that that's possible.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
It seems unlikely since the full weight of the federal
government is going to be oh ought to bear here.
I'm sure Trump not to mention the Utah authorities, who
are quite suitably second and rather enthusiastic about tracking this
guy down.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I'm sure Trump said to cash Pattel, whatever expense, this
is priority.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Number one, Right, we should start to show officially.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
There's so much to say about it, and we want
to hear from you, and we've got the reactions of
a lot of pundits and writings and that sort of
stuff to pass along today. I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe
Getty on this. It is Thursday, September eleventh, you're twenty
twenty five. We're Armstrong and getting and we approve of
this program.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I just want to mention very briefly that we also
have a fair amount of audio of Charlie himself doing
the most American thing you can imagine, engaging on issues
in the open and discussing the things that matter in America.
So let's begin now according sec rules, Rags at Mark.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
If you could be associated with one thing, how would
you want to be remembered. I want to be remembered
for courage from my faith. That would be the most
important thing. Most important thing is my faith in my life.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Community college dropout, Charlie Kirk. What a brain did that
guy have? I was listening to some of his getting
into arguments with people. One of the reasons he was
so confident in arguing with people is he has, like
all the facts and figures that exist in his brain
ready to go.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Once in a while I heard people use college drop
out in a disparaging way. No, he thought, this is
a waste of time, this is moving too.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
It have been it would have been a waste of
time to go to any college for him, yes, obviously,
But anyway, I got a lot more good stuff. I
got the headlines on the way I hope you can
stay here by the way way in text line four
one five two nine five k FTC some major development,
and they've got a press conference going on right now
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in Utah. They just announce that they believe the weapon
that was used to assassinate Charlie Kirk has been found
in a wooded area nearby.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
So that is interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
So if it's a super high level planned operation, then
it was some sort of untraceable clean gun that the
smart thing to do was to immediately discard it and
go on and they won't get much out of it,
or you know, they're gonna be able to trace immediately
where it was purchased and who belonged to and all
that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
So we'll find out very quickly, I would imagine. All right,
let's see what else happened in the news. Who's reporting what?
It's the lead story with Jensen Raider Jensen.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Yeah, a lot of the news is being dominated right
now about the Kirk shooting. An investigation going on. Fox
News was leading with Governor Spencer Cox declaring Charlie Kirk
killing a political assassination at Utah's campus.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, that reminds me.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, we're gonna have Governor Cox's speech, his comments yesterday,
which I found incredibly eloquent. Boy was he good and
well done. Yeah, that was really very impressive.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Oh, by the other way, the other piece of information,
they just so the high powered bolt action rifle is
what they recovered, and they've got a good video.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
They think of the guy. So that helps.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Now to Fox ten in Phoenix, Turning Point, USA headquarters
is becoming immemorial for Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
That's in Phoenix, Yes, okay, and.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Then the New York Times social media falls into well
worn grooves after Charlie Kirk's death.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, that's that's a fair enough assessment. Although again social
media the Internet in general, is such a gathering place
for or for scumbags.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I didn't, I didn't. I didn't agree with that. I
saw that headline. I didn't agree with the headline. It
fell into well worn group. I felt it was a
much better universal outcry. If this is awful than I've
seen in a long time. Yeah, except at the outer edges.
But that's that's not going to change. Those people are
scumbags and or Russian bots. The number of yes, the
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number of Twitter accounts I saw that said he got
what he deserved, karma, blah blah blah. I click on
the identities and they had fourteen followers following two hundred
and forty people as the classic bots.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I did this profile. I did this in the middle
of the night last night.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I was reading through the fringe weirdos and thinking this
is so disgusting, and I thought, wait a second, you're
being jerked around by Chinese bots.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Don't read Russians.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Yeah, this out of newsweek. MSNBC fires Matthew Daud after
Charlie kirk assassination comment.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
For instance.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I don't think that's a well worn groove that MSNBC
immediately fired somebody who said something out of the out
of line with the feelings of the day.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, we'll play that for you probably next segment. But
he said essentially, well, you know, guys who say what
he said kind of are asking for it. Was horrific.
This guy was a pretty prominent politician too.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
And then in slightly different news Washington Post aleged Trump
golf course gunman to give an opening argument in his
own trial.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, oh today, Yeah, and that gets to what I
was talking about earlier. The guy came close enough to
assassinating Trump.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Was completely nuts. So who knows who this person is?
Right right? I hope we find out quickly.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
To wrap up with the Babylon be tough on crime,
Democrats propose one hundred strikes in your outlaw.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, no kidding, Yeah, more on that story of free murder. Yeah,
what did various people say? What did Charlie Kirk himself
say throughout the years? If you don't know his act?
Lots on the way today, I hope you can stay with.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Us Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
I go around universities and have challenging conversations and because
that's what is so important to our country is to
find our disagreements respectfully, because when people stop talking, that's
when violence happens.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I've never seen someone movies.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Well, it's a growing trend because people like me are
facing violence, assaults the left, yes, the campus Antifa. I've
been stormed out of restaurants. I've been assaulted publicly, multiple
death threats.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Bunch of college. There's more people that.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Agree with me than some people would actually believe, and
they come out of the woodwork. When I do stuff
like this, we record all of it so that we
put on the internet so people can see these ideas collide.
When people stop talking, that's when you get violence. That's
when civil war happens because you start to think the
other side is so evil and they lose their humanity.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
This is a dark day for our state.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
It's a tragic day for our nation.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
And I want to be very clear that this is
a political assassination.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
That was the Governor of Utah there at the end.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, the first voice, obviously, Charlie Kirk answering questions from
a gal about why he does what he does, and
then Governor Spencer Cox of Utah, part of his very
eloquent words. Governor Gavin Newsom of California called it a
vile and disgusting Charlie Kirk was the first guest Gavin
Newsom had when he launched his podcast, it is vile
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and disgusting. I wish I were more optimist that we
could turn around our attitudes on this sort of thing. Yeah, Yeah, Unfortunately,
the most eloquent words we could generate, or the governor
could generate, or anybody else who's talking about it today,
even Gavin Newsom, I just I don't think that those
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who would who would carry out such a horrific act
can be reached, which is a pretty horrifying notion. So
now we have had some emails, For instance, I may
have saved one for a mailbag saying that, hey, there
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were other periods where there were way too many assassinations
and just as a society, we all became so horrified.
It was, you know, similar to drunk driving, which used
to be commonplace and kind of winked at, and that
there may be a societal trend away from it. I
don't know if that's possible in the days of the Internet.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I agree, Yeah, I agree. Yeah, it's just it's such
a different structure than society used to be, where the
bulk of opinion could drag along the fringes or obscure
the fringes. Now it's almost the other way around.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
The mechanisms by which ideas are traded and spread have
changed completely, or at least so significantly that it's just
it's a different machine now, the idea of an idea
going viral or becoming you know, popular, or or practically
universally adopted. It's just it's a completely different machine, and
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nobody's quite sure how it works.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I would assume, I mean, we haven't said this yet,
does it even need to be said? I would assume
pretty much everybody listening to this show realizes, if you
start down the road of political violence, it's over. There's
no winning that race to the bottom. It's the end
of the experiment.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Unless it's settled by enormous blood letting in the way
the Civil War. For instance, Governor Spencer Cox, as we said,
very eloquent yesterday, Let's hear a little more of what
he had to say.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
This is the key. One of the key horrors of this.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Was the nature of Charlie's approach and beliefs. As he
himself said, We've got to be able to talk to
each other, otherwise you get horror and violence. So I'm
going to go out and talk to people, and for
that he was murdered. This is Governor Cox and.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
Charlie believed in the power of free speech and debate
to shape ideas and to persuade people.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Historically, our university.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Campuses in this nation and here in the state of
Utah have been the place where truth and ideas are
formulated and debated. And that's what he does. He comes
on college campuses and he debates as foundational to the
formation of our country, to our most basic constitutional rights.
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And when someone takes the life of a person because
of their ideas or their ideals, then that very constitutional
foundation is threatened.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Roll on, Michael, Now.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
We have a person of interest in custody. Later astigation
is ongoing, but I want to make it crystal clear
right now to whoever did this, we will find you,
we will try you, and we will hold you accountable
to the furthest extent of the law. And I just
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want to remind people that we still have the death
penalty here in the state of Utah.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And then the last clip, if you don't mind.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
If anyone in the sound of my voice celebrated even
a little bit at the news of this shooting, I
would beg you to look in the mirror and to
see if you can find a better angel in there somewhere.
I don't care what his politics are. I care that
he was an American.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
He yeah, Glad to hear that.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Glad to hear things like this from Ezra Kleine of
The New York Times, writing today on Charlie Kirk. You
can dislike much of what Kirk believed, and the following
statement is still true. Kirk was practicing politics and in
exactly the right way. He was showing up to campuses
and talking with anyone who talked to him. He was
one of the era's most effective practitioners of persuasion. When
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the Left thought it's hold on the hearts and minds
of college students was nearly absolute, Kirk showed up and
again and again to break it. He was central and
laying the groundwork for it. I do not know Kirk,
and I am not the right person to you eulogize him,
but I envied what he built, and he was doing
politics exactly the right way in this country. Yeah, that's
what's so disturbing. It would be bad if it was
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one of the bombchuckers on either side, it would still
be bad because we can't, like I said, we can't
go down this road or it's all over. But he
wasn't one of the bombchuckers. He was one of the
let's have a reasonable conversation people, and he got killed
right right. I was trying to think and put in
my mind, can you come up with anybody close to
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the equivalent on the left.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I don't know who it would be.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Or I was just I was kind of doing a
thought experiment for myself because I saw some of the
fringe voices who were somewhat celebrating this yesterday, and it
was fringe.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I think that needs to be stated over and over again.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
There was more of a universal condemnation of this than
practically anything I've seen in a very long time in
terms of both sides coming together in mainstream media. But
I was trying to think of as a thought experiment
for my own emotions, somebody who I really can't stand
on the left, and I don't know who'd be a
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good example, joy Read or I don't know who, but
I'm positive that if I heard they were shot, I
wouldn't think yay, I'm positive of that, right, I would think,
oh my god, that's horrible.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
We can't go down this road. I'd have the same feelings.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, there were a shocking number of multi colored haired,
angry young women in particular on the internet celebrating, But
I mean, just if three percent of the population are angry,
soulless idiots, that's a hell of a lot of people.
I try not to worry too much about those people.
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As disgusting as it is, the details leaking out on
so the FBI says they have solid footage of who
they believe was the shooter.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
They found the weapon, college.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Age male, So it'll be interesting to find out what's
going on here. Like I said earlier, though, it's almost
better we don't know while we're having some of this discussion,
because does it make any difference. Does it really make
any difference. I'm not sure it makes any difference. It
would make a difference if he was, you know, funded
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by Iran or something, that would obviously make a difference.
But yeah, if he's completely insane or you know, thoroughly
saying and thought this out, I'm not sure it makes
any difference on how we need to react as a
country or what we need to do going forward. We
need to quit with the apocalyptic view of our politics.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
That would help.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, Yeah, although that is a that's a great discussion
and a difficult line to draw. If, for instance, you believe,
as I do, that the far left progressive activists, for instance,
on college campuses, actually want the downfall of the United
States and Western civilization in general.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
They're avowed Marxists.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I will call them avowed Marxists because I have to
take them at their word and by their actions. On
the other hand, I'm not in favor of killing Marxists either.
I'm in favor of making so many people aware of
how terrible their ideas are that they reject them. True,
but we can win that battle, and it's a multi
year battle. I'm speaking mostly of the I forget what
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the percentages were, but it was well into the majority.
On both sides of the political aisle thought, if the
other side wins this election, the presidential election, this is
the election will have in this country. Both sides thought
that that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And speaking of troubling, there's a poll that came out
recently that indicated that a truly shocking number of Americans
on both sides of the aisle thought that, you know,
it is occasionally justified to kill your opponent in politics.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Right right?
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I remember that polling coming out about the shockingly high
number of people are okay with political violence.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
That's very troubling.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Now, whether that was a performative reaction to the poll,
I hope a lot of it was. But just even
the willingness to say to a polster is horrifying. Then
you got a chunk of people who I absolutely believe it. Right,
So on a lighter note, if you will, but yes,
I was about to say in their defense, I can't
say in their defense about people who agree with political violence.
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But you're being led in some cases by representatives who
just told you the country will end if that person wins.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Right. If that doesn't.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Justify political violence in some people's minds, I don't know
what would well.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And also, as we've discussed more than once, if someone
is actually seriously convinced that a would be political leader
as a kin to Aidolf Hitler, then that person should
be eliminated. We tried to assassinate Hitler every chance we got.
His opponents inside Germany did and nobody's saying WHOA WHOA
WOA political violence is wrong because he was that dangerous
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all that. But in terms of a threat to this
country today, top of mind threat is our own internal
political violence, not Muslim extremists knocking down buildings.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
So right, yeah, some of the reactions on the right
and left coming up next hour. I promised you the
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Speaker 2 (31:15):
I think it's sick.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
It's significant that he's not just some dips talking head
on MSNBC, but is a pretty significant politician. And I
think it was Tennessee for a long time. Well, he's
been a pundit forever. He's one of those Republicans. He
used to run campaigns and then turned against his own party,
and then MSNBC just loved him, and he's been on
all the talk shows forever. Shot off his mouth yesterday.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
What I'm happy to see is that a network said no, no, no, no,
too far, you can't, we can't do this. That's good news.
That's a little ray of light in the whole thing. Anyway,
we've got mailbag, next bunch of stuff. Drey Gowdy, who
I'm a big fan of, was just on Fox saying
(31:58):
every American needs to watch the video, the close up
video with the blood and everything. I think he's completely
wrong about that, but I do want to discuss the
video and the way it traveled around and Executive producer
Hanson and I both having the same experience of picking
our kids up from school, wanting to explain to them
what happened today and finding out they'd already seen the
(32:20):
most graphic of videos multiple times before we even got
to them at school.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's horrible, Yes it is.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
That's a modern media, the way we disseminate information.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Story. But yeah, I want to talk about that later.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah, I do too, And actually I have a different
opinion than you do on that topic, so I'm interested
to exchange views.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
The long story, sure of mine, is that it varies
very much person to person. But here's your freedom loving
quote of the day from Abraham Lincoln his famous Lyceum
address at nineteen I'm sorry eighteen thirty eight. If destruction
be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.
As a nation of free men, we must live through
all time or die by suicide. And that has been
(33:12):
paraphrased many times that if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will because it be because we destroyed ourselves. And
I would agree, fresh and cold Abe mail Bag, you
can write us anytime. Mail Bag at Armstrong Egeddy dot com.
It's email address. Lots and lots and lots of really good, eloquent,
(33:34):
interesting emails about the assassination of young Charlie Kirk. Pete
Kirk would have sat and talked to his murderer to
discuss their differences. I'm sad to think that the murderer
had such fear of facing truth that they would slaughter
a young man instead. The coward that killed Kirk just
made him Obi wan Kenobi turning point. USA is going
to be a bigger player in the future than it
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was yesterday.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I totally hope that's true. Yeah, I don't know about that.
He was a singular talent.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I mean, if you want to just do brass knuckles politics,
the killer took out an irreplaceable talent for a certain
segment of society.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Marina from San Diego, My heart is so heavy. Charlie
Kirk was a national treasure. I like in his assassination
at mlk's Charlie had a dream to teach young people
to love God and country, to restore dialogue and debate
to college campuses, to bring a revolution of love and
respect for one another through open and respectful conversations. She
(34:35):
quotes Greg Guttfeld as hoping that Charlie's movement will be
emboldened to not silence thousands of satellite groups in high
schools and colleges around the country. Let's see, Anonymous. I
have not loved Charlie Kirk, but I hate political violence.
My fifteen year old daughter said she saw the video immediately,
which broke my heart, and that the alphabet crowded her Roseville,
(34:57):
California High school was cheering in life, laughing when the
news about Charlie's death arrived.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Fortunately my daughter was saddened by it. Our soft children
do not understand what they are cheering. This is not
the way.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Oh my god, that is horrifying. That's the worst thing
I've heard since the shooting.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, I know. Wow.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Aaron Wright's Charlie Kirk was one of our own, and
the best of us. The crack of gunfire and his
head rearing back is as jugular, erupted, as forever burned
into our minds, along with a gorgeous young girl who
had enough time to look up at her murderer and
shock before burying her head in her hands and bleeding out. Transhooters.
(35:35):
Christian killers, assassinations, rampant crime child mutilation, all of it
under the rainblow flag of progress. This is the lasting
legacy of the left. The tough reality is that we
cannot coexist with the radical left. So what now? I
might need to talk to someone I haven't been this angry,
et cetera. Reading emails did not necessarily indicate a full
(35:57):
endorsement of their ideas. I just want to give you
an idea of the range of thoughts we're getting.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Going back to that last email, those kids who erupted
in cheers or laughter at that, they didn't raise themselves.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
They have been successfully indoctrinated. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
So they heard somebody from the other side just got
shot to death in front of his wife and little kids,
and say, yay, that is the worst thing I've heard
in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
That's a great example of why I'm so adamant about
the indoctrination taking place in government schools.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Of course, in his message, which I pray will carry
on or perhaps even be amplified.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And what message was that.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
That we need to talk to each other civilly and
trade ideas out in the open. It was also a
fierce advocate for conservative notions and against the woke crowd.
But his methods were entirely enthusiastically peaceful and friendly.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, for that, he was murdered. It's hard to imagine
a a more American thing than going around to college
campuses and saying, who disagrees with me, move to the front,
and then you have a reasonable discussion about things. I mean,
(01:36):
if we can't do that, we are one hundred percent doomed.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, I would, I would say so.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I mean that is as basic to the structure of
people being able to govern themselves as you can possibly
get and if if we no longer can do that,
and I question whether we can. I mean, one political
view has not been welcome on college campuses for a
(02:07):
very long time. And if we can't do that, then
then I guess people can't govern themselves and you have
to have a king or a dictator because we're just
incapable of.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Holment together.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
So it would seem so a little contrast here turning
point USA's announcement about Charlie's visit that ended in his assassination.
Joined Charlie Kirk on campus for a lively discussion of
freedom in America. Don't agree with Charlie, great, go to
the front of the line.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
See you there.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Meanwhile, change dot org, the progressive organization, put out a
statement Kirk's presence and the message he delivers let's just
stop there. Kirk's presence stands in contrast to the values
of understanding, acceptance, and progress that many of us hold dear.
His very right to and acceptance of the invitation to
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speak is an outrage to those people.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, uh, that's one of the reasons I'm very down
about this. I am not optimistic at all that we
can turn this around, maybe at all, certainly not a
short term. No, we're not going to stop claiming that
the other side is out to jaal us, throw in
(03:30):
prison or kill us. We're not gonna stop doing that.
I don't think because of the function of social media
and our culture combined with social media, with modern communication,
I just I'm not sure it can be fixed, right right,
As I've said many times. Oh, just a quick observation that, yeah,
I share your pessimism. Because some prominent politicians, like the
(03:54):
most prominent ones on the Republican side, said we've got
to stop the violence, for instance, and they called out
only left wing violence, right and then many many Democrats
rolled out and said we've got to stop the violence
and called out only right wing violence.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
As we have said before, and.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
People are saying no, when people start calling out their
own side, then we have a chance. But I don't
know when that's going to occur, right right, Well, and
back to your internet point.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And this is uh, this is one of the firmest
beliefs I have about the modern world. And some of
you have heard me say this before, so I'll give
you the short version. But for all of human history,
if you had an awful, unhinged idea. Everyone around you,
your world would tell you that's an awful, unhinged idea
(04:46):
because there's only one jackass that you know for five
hundred square miles who thinks something is stupid and unhinged
as you, Right, But if you get on the Internet,
that same ratio of one one stupid sick person every
five hundred miles is a community of eight hundred thousand
worldwide who then enforce each other's stupid, vicious, sick ideas.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
How we get beyond that? I don't have any idea, well,
and it gets better if you lean that political direction.
The algorithm of whatever site you go to on a
regular basis feeds you that stuff as if that's the
only thing that's out there, and feeds you the worst
of the other side to amplify your discuss with them.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I don't know the right metaphor, but I think healthy
people saying people need to start looking at the Internet
like I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And again I don't know what the right metaphor is.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
But something like fentanyl, for instance, which is an extremely
useful surgical drug and incredibly horribly.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Dangerous, couldn't be more dangerous the Internet is that it's
wonderful and horribly dangerous. I think people are cognizant of that.
I like a lot of people thought when the Internet
came along, that, you know, the democratization of information and
(06:17):
doing away with the gatekeepers of information was such a
good thing. It clearly was not and is not, and
I don't know if there's any coming back. I was
happy to see that almost entirely your old school gatecp
keepers yesterday treated this like the tragedy. It was like
I watched the ABC Evening News. They treated this one
hundred percent like the tragedy. It was from the beginning.
(06:40):
I thought that was great. All living presidents, all your
big time leaders, Nancy Pelosi, whoever, everybody. They said the
right things, the gatekeepers, but they just don't have the
influence they used to have.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Right, and so certainly not over the sort of people
who would engage in this sort.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Of horror, Right do you think I was thinking about
this on the drive in. They're discussing on Fox how
this is the first time that anybody can remember when
there's been a major a major assassination or a major
assassination attempt where you don't have the person very quickly,
like practically immediately. Yeah, So uh does that help the
(07:21):
discussion or hurt the discussion that we don't have any
idea who it is? I almost think it helps us
frame the discussion around our political discourse that it's out
of control when something needs to be done, because once
you get the individual and you start looking into the
things they think and say, and then it waters everything
down and then.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
They're prosecuting them and their beliefs as opposed to just
violence in general.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Right, and uh, and it's possible the guys a complete loan.
It's it's possible that it's a well thought out, coordinated
with some group or country they were talking about on
I hadn't even thought about that. Charlie Kirk was a
big enough deal that there could have been countries that
would have been willing to take him out but anyway.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Or he was a dedicated Zionist, so it could be
a transnational movement of a certain religion. Yeah, it could
be that I have any information that's true. It just
could be could be something big like that, or he
could be a complete loon. The guy that's on trial
right now for the second Trump assassination is a complete lunatic. Yeah,
but obviously the current state of rhetoric in this country
(08:29):
gets through to the lunatics and tips them off that hey,
now's the time, this is do or die time. Do
you want to be a patriot? Takeout whoever?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well right?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And the.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Spectrum of how grounded in reality you are ranges from
you know, perfectly saying to completely psychotic, and it's fairly
rare you see an assassination who's an assassin rather who's
fully sane. They're usually unhinged at one level or another.
But again, given the reinforcement of the ideas of the unhinged,
(09:05):
I mean, without even dabbling into the world of AI
which I was just reading about, how it aided and
embedded a young man committing suicide in a way that
is just unthinkable. There are enough people like that that
the sane among us have to think hard and long
about what, if anything, can be done about it?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
What are your network? Crime and justice reporters said. Officials
believe this was a very well thoroughly planned out assassination,
as it almost had to be to you know, know
where he was going to be, know where you should
(09:46):
be to get the line of sight, have an escape plan.
Usually these people don't have any plan for getting out.
This person got out of there, I mean, so it's.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Who knows.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I hope it wasn't coordinated by some other country or
transnational group. It's not good no matter what. I don't know,
I am not.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
A friend of mine the other day I was talking
about something and was talking about how I'm always so
long term optimistic, and I am about myself in my
own little world I can control. I'm always long term
optimistic for whatever reason. I am not about the state
of our politics at all. Long term optimistic. No, I
would agree. I would agree completely. Getting back to the.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Murderer, the horrifying destroyer of not only a young man's
life and young children's dad, I just woman's husband.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I just heard someone and the kids were there. I
didn't know that they were there. Oh was that right?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
They were at the event. Oh that's horrible.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, But so a monster who is willing to do
that sort of damage to the fabric of the United
States and it's people, not just the family. I certainly
hope he has caught. I presume it's a male as
quickly as possible. Let's hope that because there was a
vehicle involved almost certainly in the approach in the getaway,
(11:15):
and college campuses are reasonably secure that the authorities have
the evidence that they need to track this guy down eventually.
What a nightmare scenario it would be if he were
to disappear into the woods and never be apprehended.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I can't imagine that that's possible.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
It seems unlikely since the full weight of the federal
government is going to be oh ought to bear here.
I'm sure Trump not to mention the Utah authorities, who
are quite suitably second and rather enthusiastic about tracking this
guy down.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I'm sure Trump said to cash Pattel, whatever expense, this
is priority.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Number one, Right, we should start to show officially.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
There's so much to say about it, and we want
to hear from you, and we've got the reactions of
a lot of pundits and writings and that sort of
stuff to pass along today. I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe
Getty on this. It is Thursday, September eleventh, you're twenty
twenty five. We're Armstrong and getting and we approve of
this program.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I just want to mention very briefly that we also
have a fair amount of audio of Charlie himself doing
the most American thing you can imagine, engaging on issues
in the open and discussing the things that matter in America.
So let's begin now according sec rules, Rags at Mark.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
If you could be associated with one thing, how would
you want to be remembered. I want to be remembered
for courage from my faith. That would be the most
important thing. Most important thing is my faith in my life.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Community college dropout, Charlie Kirk. What a brain did that
guy have? I was listening to some of his getting
into arguments with people. One of the reasons he was
so confident in arguing with people is he has, like
all the facts and figures that exist in his brain
ready to go.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Once in a while I heard people use college drop
out in a disparaging way. No, he thought, this is
a waste of time, this is moving too.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
It have been it would have been a waste of
time to go to any college for him, yes, obviously,
But anyway, I got a lot more good stuff. I
got the headlines on the way I hope you can
stay here by the way way in text line four
one five two nine five k FTC some major development,
and they've got a press conference going on right now
(13:35):
in Utah. They just announce that they believe the weapon
that was used to assassinate Charlie Kirk has been found
in a wooded area nearby.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
So that is interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
So if it's a super high level planned operation, then
it was some sort of untraceable clean gun that the
smart thing to do was to immediately discard it and
go on and they won't get much out of it,
or you know, they're gonna be able to trace immediately
where it was purchased and who belonged to and all
that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
So we'll find out very quickly, I would imagine. All right,
let's see what else happened in the news. Who's reporting what?
It's the lead story with Jensen Raider Jensen.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Yeah, a lot of the news is being dominated right
now about the Kirk shooting. An investigation going on. Fox
News was leading with Governor Spencer Cox declaring Charlie Kirk
killing a political assassination at Utah's campus.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, that reminds me.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, we're gonna have Governor Cox's speech, his comments yesterday,
which I found incredibly eloquent. Boy was he good and
well done. Yeah, that was really very impressive.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Oh, by the other way, the other piece of information,
they just so the high powered bolt action rifle is
what they recovered, and they've got a good video.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
They think of the guy. So that helps.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Now to Fox ten in Phoenix, Turning Point, USA headquarters
is becoming immemorial for Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
That's in Phoenix, Yes, okay, and.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Then the New York Times social media falls into well
worn grooves after Charlie Kirk's death.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, that's that's a fair enough assessment. Although again social
media the Internet in general, is such a gathering place
for or for scumbags.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I didn't, I didn't. I didn't agree with that. I
saw that headline. I didn't agree with the headline. It
fell into well worn group. I felt it was a
much better universal outcry. If this is awful than I've
seen in a long time. Yeah, except at the outer edges.
But that's that's not going to change. Those people are
scumbags and or Russian bots. The number of yes, the
(15:47):
number of Twitter accounts I saw that said he got
what he deserved, karma, blah blah blah. I click on
the identities and they had fourteen followers following two hundred
and forty people as the classic bots.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I did this profile. I did this in the middle
of the night last night.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I was reading through the fringe weirdos and thinking this
is so disgusting, and I thought, wait a second, you're
being jerked around by Chinese bots.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Don't read Russians.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Yeah, this out of newsweek. MSNBC fires Matthew Daud after
Charlie kirk assassination comment.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
For instance.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I don't think that's a well worn groove that MSNBC
immediately fired somebody who said something out of the out
of line with the feelings of the day.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, we'll play that for you probably next segment. But
he said essentially, well, you know, guys who say what
he said kind of are asking for it. Was horrific.
This guy was a pretty prominent politician too.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
And then in slightly different news Washington Post aleged Trump
golf course gunman to give an opening argument in his
own trial.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, oh today, Yeah, and that gets to what I
was talking about earlier. The guy came close enough to
assassinating Trump.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Was completely nuts. So who knows who this person is?
Right right? I hope we find out quickly.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
To wrap up with the Babylon be tough on crime,
Democrats propose one hundred strikes in your outlaw.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, no kidding, Yeah, more on that story of free murder. Yeah,
what did various people say? What did Charlie Kirk himself
say throughout the years? If you don't know his act?
Lots on the way today, I hope you can stay with.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Us Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
I go around universities and have challenging conversations and because
that's what is so important to our country is to
find our disagreements respectfully, because when people stop talking, that's
when violence happens.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I've never seen someone movies.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Well, it's a growing trend because people like me are
facing violence, assaults the left, yes, the campus Antifa. I've
been stormed out of restaurants. I've been assaulted publicly, multiple
death threats.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Bunch of college. There's more people that.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Agree with me than some people would actually believe, and
they come out of the woodwork. When I do stuff
like this, we record all of it so that we
put on the internet so people can see these ideas collide.
When people stop talking, that's when you get violence. That's
when civil war happens because you start to think the
other side is so evil and they lose their humanity.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
This is a dark day for our state.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
It's a tragic day for our nation.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
And I want to be very clear that this is
a political assassination.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
That was the Governor of Utah there at the end.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, the first voice, obviously, Charlie Kirk answering questions from
a gal about why he does what he does, and
then Governor Spencer Cox of Utah, part of his very
eloquent words. Governor Gavin Newsom of California called it a
vile and disgusting Charlie Kirk was the first guest Gavin
Newsom had when he launched his podcast, it is vile
(18:57):
and disgusting. I wish I were more optimist that we
could turn around our attitudes on this sort of thing. Yeah, Yeah, Unfortunately,
the most eloquent words we could generate, or the governor
could generate, or anybody else who's talking about it today,
even Gavin Newsom, I just I don't think that those
(19:17):
who would who would carry out such a horrific act
can be reached, which is a pretty horrifying notion. So
now we have had some emails, For instance, I may
have saved one for a mailbag saying that, hey, there
(19:38):
were other periods where there were way too many assassinations
and just as a society, we all became so horrified.
It was, you know, similar to drunk driving, which used
to be commonplace and kind of winked at, and that
there may be a societal trend away from it. I
don't know if that's possible in the days of the Internet.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I agree, Yeah, I agree. Yeah, it's just it's such
a different structure than society used to be, where the
bulk of opinion could drag along the fringes or obscure
the fringes. Now it's almost the other way around.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
The mechanisms by which ideas are traded and spread have
changed completely, or at least so significantly that it's just
it's a different machine now, the idea of an idea
going viral or becoming you know, popular, or or practically
universally adopted. It's just it's a completely different machine, and
(20:40):
nobody's quite sure how it works.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I would assume, I mean, we haven't said this yet,
does it even need to be said? I would assume
pretty much everybody listening to this show realizes, if you
start down the road of political violence, it's over. There's
no winning that race to the bottom. It's the end
of the experiment.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Unless it's settled by enormous blood letting in the way
the Civil War. For instance, Governor Spencer Cox, as we said,
very eloquent yesterday, Let's hear a little more of what
he had to say.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
This is the key. One of the key horrors of this.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Was the nature of Charlie's approach and beliefs. As he
himself said, We've got to be able to talk to
each other, otherwise you get horror and violence. So I'm
going to go out and talk to people, and for
that he was murdered. This is Governor Cox and.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
Charlie believed in the power of free speech and debate
to shape ideas and to persuade people.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Historically, our university.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Campuses in this nation and here in the state of
Utah have been the place where truth and ideas are
formulated and debated. And that's what he does. He comes
on college campuses and he debates as foundational to the
formation of our country, to our most basic constitutional rights.
(22:15):
And when someone takes the life of a person because
of their ideas or their ideals, then that very constitutional
foundation is threatened.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Roll on, Michael, Now.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
We have a person of interest in custody. Later astigation
is ongoing, but I want to make it crystal clear
right now to whoever did this, we will find you,
we will try you, and we will hold you accountable
to the furthest extent of the law. And I just
(22:55):
want to remind people that we still have the death
penalty here in the state of Utah.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And then the last clip, if you don't mind.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
If anyone in the sound of my voice celebrated even
a little bit at the news of this shooting, I
would beg you to look in the mirror and to
see if you can find a better angel in there somewhere.
I don't care what his politics are. I care that
he was an American.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
He yeah, Glad to hear that.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Glad to hear things like this from Ezra Kleine of
The New York Times, writing today on Charlie Kirk. You
can dislike much of what Kirk believed, and the following
statement is still true. Kirk was practicing politics and in
exactly the right way. He was showing up to campuses
and talking with anyone who talked to him. He was
one of the era's most effective practitioners of persuasion. When
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the Left thought it's hold on the hearts and minds
of college students was nearly absolute, Kirk showed up and
again and again to break it. He was central and
laying the groundwork for it. I do not know Kirk,
and I am not the right person to you eulogize him,
but I envied what he built, and he was doing
politics exactly the right way in this country. Yeah, that's
what's so disturbing. It would be bad if it was
(24:11):
one of the bombchuckers on either side, it would still
be bad because we can't, like I said, we can't
go down this road or it's all over. But he
wasn't one of the bombchuckers. He was one of the
let's have a reasonable conversation people, and he got killed
right right. I was trying to think and put in
my mind, can you come up with anybody close to
(24:33):
the equivalent on the left.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I don't know who it would be.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Or I was just I was kind of doing a
thought experiment for myself because I saw some of the
fringe voices who were somewhat celebrating this yesterday, and it
was fringe.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I think that needs to be stated over and over again.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
There was more of a universal condemnation of this than
practically anything I've seen in a very long time in
terms of both sides coming together in mainstream media. But
I was trying to think of as a thought experiment
for my own emotions, somebody who I really can't stand
on the left, and I don't know who'd be a
(25:17):
good example, joy Read or I don't know who, but
I'm positive that if I heard they were shot, I
wouldn't think yay, I'm positive of that, right, I would think,
oh my god, that's horrible.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
We can't go down this road. I'd have the same feelings.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, there were a shocking number of multi colored haired,
angry young women in particular on the internet celebrating, But
I mean, just if three percent of the population are angry,
soulless idiots, that's a hell of a lot of people.
I try not to worry too much about those people.
(25:56):
As disgusting as it is, the details leaking out on
so the FBI says they have solid footage of who
they believe was the shooter.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
They found the weapon, college.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Age male, So it'll be interesting to find out what's
going on here. Like I said earlier, though, it's almost
better we don't know while we're having some of this discussion,
because does it make any difference. Does it really make
any difference. I'm not sure it makes any difference. It
would make a difference if he was, you know, funded
(26:31):
by Iran or something, that would obviously make a difference.
But yeah, if he's completely insane or you know, thoroughly
saying and thought this out, I'm not sure it makes
any difference on how we need to react as a
country or what we need to do going forward. We
need to quit with the apocalyptic view of our politics.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
That would help.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, Yeah, although that is a that's a great discussion
and a difficult line to draw. If, for instance, you believe,
as I do, that the far left progressive activists, for instance,
on college campuses, actually want the downfall of the United
States and Western civilization in general.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
They're avowed Marxists.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I will call them avowed Marxists because I have to
take them at their word and by their actions. On
the other hand, I'm not in favor of killing Marxists either.
I'm in favor of making so many people aware of
how terrible their ideas are that they reject them. True,
but we can win that battle, and it's a multi
year battle. I'm speaking mostly of the I forget what
(27:42):
the percentages were, but it was well into the majority.
On both sides of the political aisle thought, if the
other side wins this election, the presidential election, this is
the election will have in this country. Both sides thought
that that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And speaking of troubling, there's a poll that came out
recently that indicated that a truly shocking number of Americans
on both sides of the aisle thought that, you know,
it is occasionally justified to kill your opponent in politics.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Right right?
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I remember that polling coming out about the shockingly high
number of people are okay with political violence.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
That's very troubling.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Now, whether that was a performative reaction to the poll,
I hope a lot of it was. But just even
the willingness to say to a polster is horrifying. Then
you got a chunk of people who I absolutely believe it. Right,
So on a lighter note, if you will, but yes,
I was about to say in their defense, I can't
say in their defense about people who agree with political violence.
(28:47):
But you're being led in some cases by representatives who
just told you the country will end if that person wins.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Right. If that doesn't.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Justify political violence in some people's minds, I don't know
what would well.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And also, as we've discussed more than once, if someone
is actually seriously convinced that a would be political leader
as a kin to Aidolf Hitler, then that person should
be eliminated. We tried to assassinate Hitler every chance we got.
His opponents inside Germany did and nobody's saying WHOA WHOA
WOA political violence is wrong because he was that dangerous
(29:22):
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(30:47):
all that. But in terms of a threat to this
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political violence, not Muslim extremists knocking down buildings.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
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and left coming up next hour. I promised you the
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we'll pay that off next hour.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I think it's sick.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
It's significant that he's not just some dips talking head
on MSNBC, but is a pretty significant politician. And I
think it was Tennessee for a long time. Well, he's
been a pundit forever. He's one of those Republicans. He
used to run campaigns and then turned against his own party,
and then MSNBC just loved him, and he's been on
all the talk shows forever. Shot off his mouth yesterday.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
What I'm happy to see is that a network said no, no, no, no,
too far, you can't, we can't do this. That's good news.
That's a little ray of light in the whole thing. Anyway,
we've got mailbag, next bunch of stuff. Drey Gowdy, who
I'm a big fan of, was just on Fox saying
(31:58):
every American needs to watch the video, the close up
video with the blood and everything. I think he's completely
wrong about that, but I do want to discuss the
video and the way it traveled around and Executive producer
Hanson and I both having the same experience of picking
our kids up from school, wanting to explain to them
what happened today and finding out they'd already seen the
(32:20):
most graphic of videos multiple times before we even got
to them at school.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's horrible, Yes it is.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
That's a modern media, the way we disseminate information.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Story. But yeah, I want to talk about that later.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah, I do too, And actually I have a different
opinion than you do on that topic, so I'm interested
to exchange views.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
The long story, sure of mine, is that it varies
very much person to person. But here's your freedom loving
quote of the day from Abraham Lincoln his famous Lyceum
address at nineteen I'm sorry eighteen thirty eight. If destruction
be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.
As a nation of free men, we must live through
all time or die by suicide. And that has been
(33:12):
paraphrased many times that if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will because it be because we destroyed ourselves. And
I would agree, fresh and cold Abe mail Bag, you
can write us anytime. Mail Bag at Armstrong Egeddy dot com.
It's email address. Lots and lots and lots of really good, eloquent,
(33:34):
interesting emails about the assassination of young Charlie Kirk. Pete
Kirk would have sat and talked to his murderer to
discuss their differences. I'm sad to think that the murderer
had such fear of facing truth that they would slaughter
a young man instead. The coward that killed Kirk just
made him Obi wan Kenobi turning point. USA is going
to be a bigger player in the future than it
(33:55):
was yesterday.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I totally hope that's true. Yeah, I don't know about that.
He was a singular talent.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I mean, if you want to just do brass knuckles politics,
the killer took out an irreplaceable talent for a certain
segment of society.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Marina from San Diego, My heart is so heavy. Charlie
Kirk was a national treasure. I like in his assassination
at mlk's Charlie had a dream to teach young people
to love God and country, to restore dialogue and debate
to college campuses, to bring a revolution of love and
respect for one another through open and respectful conversations. She
(34:35):
quotes Greg Guttfeld as hoping that Charlie's movement will be
emboldened to not silence thousands of satellite groups in high
schools and colleges around the country. Let's see, Anonymous. I
have not loved Charlie Kirk, but I hate political violence.
My fifteen year old daughter said she saw the video immediately,
which broke my heart, and that the alphabet crowded her Roseville,
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California High school was cheering in life, laughing when the
news about Charlie's death arrived.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Fortunately my daughter was saddened by it. Our soft children
do not understand what they are cheering. This is not
the way.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Oh my god, that is horrifying. That's the worst thing
I've heard since the shooting.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, I know. Wow.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Aaron Wright's Charlie Kirk was one of our own, and
the best of us. The crack of gunfire and his
head rearing back is as jugular, erupted, as forever burned
into our minds, along with a gorgeous young girl who
had enough time to look up at her murderer and
shock before burying her head in her hands and bleeding out. Transhooters.
(35:35):
Christian killers, assassinations, rampant crime child mutilation, all of it
under the rainblow flag of progress. This is the lasting
legacy of the left. The tough reality is that we
cannot coexist with the radical left. So what now? I
might need to talk to someone I haven't been this angry,
et cetera. Reading emails did not necessarily indicate a full
(35:57):
endorsement of their ideas. I just want to give you
an idea of the range of thoughts we're getting.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Going back to that last email, those kids who erupted
in cheers or laughter at that, they didn't raise themselves.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
They have been successfully indoctrinated. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
So they heard somebody from the other side just got
shot to death in front of his wife and little kids,
and say, yay, that is the worst thing I've heard
in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
That's a great example of why I'm so adamant about
the indoctrination taking place in government schools.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
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