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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Check in with crazy people real quick. It's one more thing.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm one more.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Before I get to two specific stories from the New
York Times, which is like visiting a zoo sometimes. I
just saw there's a trend. Apparently, it's hard to say
if it's a trend or if it happened once and
they're just pretending it's a trend. But of a woman
who used Hinge. That's one of your popular dating apps,
(00:32):
probably owned by Match dot com. Match dot com bought
up all the dating apps. They're all the same now.
But uh, Hinge figured out a way to get a
guy on a first date to build like a piece
of furniture from Ikea for her. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Which there's a lot of stuff in the modern world
that pisses me off.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
This is not one of them. As a guy, you know,
I thought it would help. Yet I would do that
build your friend. Sure, I kind of enjoy it. Well, yeah,
I mean shows me, you know, how to do something.
She said she felt like she was getting the full
boyfriend experience pretending to like him. I guess briefly. So
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he would build her some furniture that's pretty brilliant.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, it's got the r O D though the Reek
of Desperation. If as a guy you agree to it, though,
oh totally. I mean, come on, dude, no, that's that's
that's what you do for your girlfriend. It's not an
audition to become a boyfriend. Otherwise it's just labor, just not.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Being paid to work here, Yes, exactly, so I mentioned
one of these has got to do with dating. But first,
this one The Wall Street the New York Times rather
is some times like visiting the zoo. For me, I
grew up in rural Midwest, and I mean it's as
different from the culture of the people, because New York
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isn't even the same as the New York Times. It's
special kind of weirdo people. Anyway, they are a.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Long judgmental just because they're of a somewhat different cultural
set of norms and strata. Frankly, at different level.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I'll let you decide. Long article about why the right
is obsessed with thinness when diet culture meets conservative morality,
conservative Christian influencers are reshaping beauty standards of promoting diet culture,
and it goes on and on and on from there
for many, many, many, many words like these articles. Do yeah,
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So when did when did not being obese becomes some
sort of right wing thing we need to watch out for.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
And you know, the thinnest places in America are usually
your lefty cities like La San Diego, San Francisco, Boulder, Colorado,
places like that. In New Hampshire, that's where all the
thin people are. Granola eating, super driving, traders, joe shopping.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, walking to work, Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Here's here's a
new limitation of the First Amendment that I'd like to introduce.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
If before you.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Write some big magazine slash newspaper, slash website article about
a trend, you need to remember and there's a test.
There's a two tiered test I'm going to suggest here,
but you need to remember that not everything that happens
that several people have done is quote unquote a trend.
There are eight billion people on earth that probably I
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don't know a quarter of them are online, at least
some and so that's billions of people. If seven hundred
and thirty three of them who happen to be right
wingers think, you know, you're better off being thin, it's healthier,
that's not a trend. And here's how the First Amendment
will limit you. If I can prove to you, as
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the globes on budsmen, that there are an equal number
of right wingers who like to be fat, then you
don't get to declare that there's a trend of right
wingers who think you ought to be thin. It's just
a group of people doing something. It's not a trend.
You don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Well, there's that, which is obviously true, But then there's
the claiming that the trend is something we should be
concerned about. Is the other thing, because they're claiming that
the right wing thin moralist influencers are trying to force
teenage girls to be thin, and of course that's dangerous
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than an arecily in all these different things. Even though
we're the fattest we've ever been, the number of diseases
and hospital costs associated to obesity have exploded like our
waistlines in recent years. I don't think being too thin
is our problem.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And we've mostly as a country failed to spread democracy
around the world, but we have spread obesity around the world.
Obesity a more successful expert than democracy.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yes, Katie, Oh, it's just that that was one of
the bigger stretches. I've heard in a while that you're right,
it is the fit is going. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Okay, here's a question for you.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
This sort of crap drives me crazy. I've hated this
for decades and this is a new version of it.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
All right, I'll get to the very interesting and revealing
question after Jack rants a little more so.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
There's a distinct idea that overeaten or gluttony, which is
one of the seven deadly sins, is immoral. And if
your body size is not whatever society thinks is an
appropriate body size, that that is a sin.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
The different, the whole.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I'm influenced by society and body size thing. Ah, who
do you know that falls into that category. I've never
own anybody. The magazines are are leading them to like
ruin their lives because they need to look like, what
are you talking about? Well, you're not an adolescent girl.
(06:12):
No I'm not.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I would say that, so and and that's I think
that's a bit of a blind spot for you. But
here's here's my fascinating philosophical question.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But it would seem to me that society is telling
us we should be fat. If I look around other
than on a magazine.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Certainly there's a case being made for it. Yeah, pretty
aggressively a few years ago. Yeah, fat acceptance, body positivity.
So here's one of these questions, you know, what color
is this guy in your world? Very two very different
sorts of people. A conflict of visions, tomasul blah blah blah.
Since conservatives tend to be more individuals, individualistic, individual rights
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blah blah blah, and and lefties tend to be a
little more collective, collective action, we need to band together
blah blah bah. Is it partly that we can't picture
somebody who's easily influenced by the culture around them, because
we're not like that, whereas they the collectivist you know,
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lefties who actually want to give socialism another try, A
lot of them, they are that easily influenced, and so
they're much more sensitive to that sort of influence. I
couldn't give a crap if some quote unquote trend is
going on that, you know, six year old suburban dads
ought to look like this, that or the other. I
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would look at that and laugh and go back to
doing whatever I was doing. I don't care. Now that
might just be me as an individual. But don't you
think I'll throw it to Katie. Don't you think that
people on the right tend to be less concerned about
what everybody else thinks? I absolutely?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And then this, as Katie called it, a stretch to
try to turn it into your using the right, which
is more religious, is trying to put a religious spin
on you need to look a certain way. What.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, maybe there's some group of twelve women online somewhere
who like, have a Bible study and decided Jesus wants
you to be thin. But there's people seeing all sorts
of crazy shit online. That doesn't mean you have to
pay attention to it or it's a trend.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
But but what if you should be thinned?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
You?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I should be thin you. We should all be thinner, right,
we should be? So where do you stop there? That's
not like a moral statement or whatever. It's just ask
your doctor. They would tell you should be thinner.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, I don't. We're back to people being especially sensitive
to criticism. I guess I don't know. How about you know,
love the Uh, You're gonna hate this, but love the sinner.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And I'm guessing that all of these journalists in the
New York Times that wrote this, because there's a big
piece of people together. They're probably all just stick figures
who go to the gym every day, and you know,
offend it on other people's behin right, exactly, They're offended
on society's behalf, which.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Is another commonality over yonder.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I'm glad that we don't have to make up things
for a living like well, I don't know. Often there
are times I think they think they're actually just observing
life and coming up with clever things. I don't think
they're making it up. Yeah, I don't think that.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I would agree. I'll tell you what. Our daughter Delany
headed back to law school. And it's too bad because
it's great fun having her hair, but hanging around to
any extent with a twenty something with a twenty somethings metabolism.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Is just bad.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
It's just bad and just not good. And I'm not
strong enough to resists. She just she can like pick
up a key line pie on the way home from
work and introduce that in the house and you know,
do you want to go out for a latte? Dad?
And why don't we have a cinnamon roll? We're having
dinner in three hours. Yeah, I know, but I'm hungry
and blah blah blah. It's just it never ends.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
The other end of it. For old people and I
go to my parents' house, they just don't eat. They're
old now, they just don't need to eat. And psych
does anybody eat?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Wow? So it's past that whole the whole get together
revolves around food.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Now to being not so much because I know that's
where I am in my life. The amount of food
I need to live is so tiny. It's shocking. Really.
It always makes me think this. We're surrounded by billboards
and ads and reviews and discussions and and all the
accouterments that go with it. With the new you, we
got to have the KitchenAid mixer, all the different things.
You need so little food in your life to get by.
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It should be a minor thing in your life.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Oh man, I'm just about to spend a lot of
money on a grill, and you had to say that.
Now I feel bad about it.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Oh kind of grill, what's it gonna do?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
A good grill, A nice grill.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I got that little hobo one that's on the cement.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, you're a homeless guy, little mini webber.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I have I have to get down on my knees
to use it. It's a it's a Weber with three bees.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
It's Chinese knock.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
It costs like I think it cost eight and a
half dollars. I got it on sale, getting a Timu
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, so your girl's nicer than that, Oh my.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Lord, Jack, spend another ten dollars. Get one with legs
so I don't have to lay down on the ground.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Cook.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
You don't have to hold it in your hands. Out
hurts so much. Last night for dinner, three grapes. That's
all I had there, you go, So, yeah, you're right, Jeff,
you don't need much food. Well, I guess that's it.