December 12, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 3 of A&G features...
- MTG on Trump & inflation report
- Michigan college coach & Jack's sad burger
- Conflicts around the world & Christmas movies
- The escape of Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria Machado
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Ketty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Armstrong and Gatty and he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Chipotle launched a collaboration today with the luggage company Base
to offer a forty eight dollars crossbody bag designed to
carry one of their burritos because your stomach.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Was not.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
I know it was going to be something like that.
When I saw that luggage Chipotle is going to go
down that road, I was just aware of that.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
We didn't need to talk about that.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Michigan football coach still don't quite understand what's going on there.
I mean, very very uncool. You're married with kids and
you're having an affair. They're at work, and I just
saw a thing that said it was a worst kept
secret at Michigan, like lots of people knew it. How'd
you end up arrested? You don't get arrested for that. Yeah,
there are plenty of clues.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I think I know what went on, and it's pretty ugly,
but we'll get to that in a little bit. I
want to preface this conversation by saying, and I wish
I could remember the headline. I was getting ready for
the show today, just plowing through all sorts of different stuff,
and I came across a couple of stories. One of
them had to do with reforming college campuses. The other one,
(01:25):
as I recall, had something to do with enforcing actual
civil rights, ending racism by ending racism, not by promoting
more racism. And I thought to myself, only Donald J.
Trump and his administration to have the balls to do
this would take on the media and the entrenched activist
class and the Democratic Party and call you know, call
(01:46):
reality what it is. And I thought, I'm going to
hate losing this. And I hope whoever succeeds Trump and
the Republican Party can keep the momentum going anyway, you know.
And the border has closed it and I'm just so
grateful for a lot of the good things that have
happened during the Trump administration. But as I've told Jack
(02:08):
both on the air and off the air, I have
a gut feeling honed over many years of watching this
stuff that this is a ship that is heading for
the rocks. It does not have the feeling of something
coming together. It has the feeling of something falling apart. Well,
and we got three full years left, and the standard
lane duckery of the last two years in office, the
(02:31):
midterm elections frequently makes it really tough for a president
to be productive. And that's not Donald Jay's faults. It's
just the system, right, It's just the way the cookie.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Tends to crumble.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
But if you look at both some of the numbers
and some of the trends that are unmistakable. Peggy Nowtan
is absolutely fantastic writing for the Journal, cites a couple
of polls. You know, we've all heard that the approval
rating on economic matters for Trump is down substantially, because
that was always his bedrock. His approval on immigration numbers
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are down substantially, and then she points out that look
a year into the term, every president gets on people's nerves.
You disappoint your fans a little because you over promise
during the campaign everybody else, and you're infuriating your foes.
Be goes, well, they're your foes, so that's to be expected.
(03:26):
But then she gets to the Marjorie Taylor Green thing
breaking away from Trump on the Epstein files, among other things.
And by the way, it's we're thrown in I think
Marjorie Taylor Green's a nut. I think she's wrong about
most things.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, and she's said some crazyes in her career.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Right, So this is not pitching one side or the other,
is right, We're just watching the football game and analyzing
how the players are playing. But then Peggy Noonan points
out that once someone makes a jail break, though, who
defies Trump comes out right against him. And wait a minute,
the world didn't turn on her and attack her, and
(04:02):
the entire Republican Party and the MAGA world are not
savaging her. In fact, a lot of people are saying, wait,
she made the jail break, I got my own issues.
I'm going to break out too. This changes the conversation
in the prison yard. Guards are eyed differently, the warden's
mystique is diminished, and so she writes about that a
(04:22):
little bit, and then she talks about.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
When Trump is erratic, Well, do you think they think
that's fair to start with?
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Because they asked that question when I didn't watch the
whole MTG interview on sixty minutes. Man, you want to
become rich, be a conservative. That then turns on the
Republican Party or the sitting Republican president. Guaranteed wealth because
the mainstream media will embrace you and you get to
be Joe Scarborough or who's the other chick that's on
(04:52):
There was a speech writer for Bush and turned against
all everything Republican.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
She's on later, But man, that's a guarantee. You just
are loved, beloved.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
And Marjorie Taylor Green's trying to kind of get in
that treatment right now. I don't know how far she's
willing to go. But so Leslie Stall in sixty minutes
kept trying to portray her as like Trump won, you
had to resign.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
She's not a bad angle.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, she doesn't see it that way, but yeah, she's
not wrong. Leslie Stall is not wrong. Annoying, but not wrong.
You know, as long as we're talking MTG here she
is talking to a super genius, Wolf Blitzer on CNN.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Of the Day. You got that, Michael.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
President Trump posted yesterday that you are quote and I'm
quoting him now, not America First or MAGA and your
quote new views are those of a very dumb person.
That's the President of the United States speaking about your
speaking about you. What's your response to these latest attacks.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
Well, actually, Wolf, I feel very sorry for President Trump,
I genuinely do. It has to be a hard place
for someone that is constantly so hateful and puts so
much vitriol, name calling, and really tells lies about people
in order to try to get his way or win
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some kind of fight. And I think that's exactly what's
wrong in America today. That's what's wrong in this toxic
political environment that has ripped our country apart. And I
personally think that that's poor leadership from a president, you know.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
While so the mainstream media is now treating her the
way they're treating her, despite the fact that they used
to beat her up for the fact that she thought
nine to eleven was an inside job, no plane hit,
the Pentagon space lasers funded by the Jews, were linked
to Democrats, and a number of other things that she
used to get beaten up with. But so turns on Trump,
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She's a hero.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So Peggy Noonan talks about Trump's hate stoking and is
you know, making really strong accusations and how that's more
dangerous because we're in a dark time and Peggy's very
much a traditionalist. But when you've got Peggy Noonan and
MTG both agreeing that, look all the vitriol, all the insults,
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all the time.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
It's just not helpful.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And then Peggy moves on to the affordability as a
democratic hoax while he's building the giant ballroom. I don't
think many people actually care about the ballroom, but.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It just doesn't have a good feel.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
But with AI and inflation in the air, people are scared,
and the administration doesn't seem like it understands that. It's
not acting like it understands that. So I thought that
was interesting. And then the the MTG stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
The Free Press sent one of their reporters to MTG's
district and talk to a bunch of the folks in
the reddest district in Georgia. And that's like the reddest
apple or the reddest firetruck. That's friggin' red folks. That's
really really red. And it's interesting. A lot of voters,
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many many of all but one she talked to, had said,
I'm done with Trump.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
MTG is right. I'm not MAGA.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I'm America first, and Trump isn't America first anymore. You know,
it's funny about this. And again, this is not rooting
for one thing or another. It's just sitting in the
box and commenting on the game I'm watching. I disagree
with like everybody quoted in this article about what America's
foreign policy ought to be.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I think they're wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I think they have a very oversimplified new to politics angry.
Why are we wasting money on Furner's point of view?
That's just not realistic. So it's not like I agree
with MTG in her people, but it's undeniably something that's happening.
The Hispanic vote, which famously switched over to Trump up
(09:00):
and the Republicans, appears to have gone now according to
a lot of polls, things are changing.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, I think a lot of that.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
I think it can all come down to prices, and
you know, mock the word affordability all you want, but
that all kinds of punditry was done around why various
groups moved toward Trump, and he famously grew his vote
in every single county in the entire America, in the
(09:30):
entire country.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
But like two, I think.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
It was almost like entirely about things are too expensive,
and it wasn't all these other issues that they tried
to make it out.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I would throw immigration into that delicious sandwich, but because
that was such an egregious and horrifying problem.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
But and you know it's funny.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I Trump's greatest gift is that he is disdainful of
his critics, because a lot of his critics deserved nothing
but disdain. His greatest weakness is that he's disdainful of
his critics, because sometimes his critics are people who agree
with him on a lot of stuff and are saying, hey,
you're going to set your own house on fire if
(10:12):
you're not a little more careful, Like the immigration thing.
He's lost a lot of support on the immigration thing
and the deportionitations thing. And as I watch it, I
think it's because, as usual with Trump, he went twenty
percent too far, too fast, too harsh, too disdainful of
the concerns being raised again by people who agree with him.
(10:33):
Never mind this stupid there's no such thing as an
illegal human crowd. Those people are idiots and Marxists, and
I don't you know, they're wrong, They're just completely wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
But the crowd's saying, look.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Let's keep it narrowly to the criminals and the guy
who's been working in the community for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
That's going to erode support.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Let's go gentle on him, Let's figure out what to
do about that more carefully.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
He was disdainful of that too. Well, these next couple
of months, inflation reports are going to be really really big.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Oh really, yes really, because there's everyone knows that he's
going to be a pretty unhappy populous if inflation continues.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
And everyone knows that.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
I agree with you, Joe, Joe, you met her, right,
got your picture taken with her?
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Yes, that was quite entertaining.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Well, you're on the same plane or went on a
date or I don't remember what the story is. We're
at the same gate in an airport and you approached her,
she approached you. Why would she approach me because you're
a radio star?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Oh right, uh uh no, I just yeah, it was Hey,
how are you mind if I say, oh, of course,
I have about a click. I should have engaged her
more conversation, but there are a bunch of people wanting
to talk to her, and I just I'm not that guy.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
I don't you know monopolies. How'd she look in person
compared to on TV smaller? She's bad built, bush body?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Well, now I would not. She's very fit. Yeah, but
she's quite petite. She's also better looking in person. The
camera's not kind to her. Not that that matters for
a congress person, but you know, she's a woman. She
wears the makeup, she picks clothes to try to look nice.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I had to zoose anybody.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I had to do a zoom call the other day
with a guy that I've known for four years, and
he looked completely different. It's the first time I've ever
seen him on camera. I've only seen him in person
in his office, and he looked completely different. I thought, Wow,
you're a way better looking dude on the zoom call
than you are in person.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
How interesting the camera loves him.
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Speaker 5 (13:36):
I don't think there was a more or less on
college football coaches arrested after affairs, but we do have
one that's gotten quite a bit of attention. If you've
been hearing about this Michigan football coach. So, I didn't
know anything about So it's not a football thing for me.
It's just a human interest story. Got arrested. What happened
and more details came out yesterday. We got that among
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other things on the.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Way before fired head football coach Sharone Moore's arrest. Emergency
dispatch audio reveals an alleged attack at an address belonging
to a Michigan football staff member around four o'clock Wednesday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Quarter of victim. Here he did for a nice says
still and right now. He walked out with several nights more.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Was later detained by police and booked at the WASHINGTONA
County Jail. No charging information has been released yet.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
So original story was head coach Michigan football, which is
like one of the greatest coaching jobs in the entire
planet of any sport and pays many, many millions of dollars,
gets fired because he had an inappropriate relationship with a staffer.
And for some reason, in my mind, I was picturing
because he's like in his late thirties. It was like
a twenty year old college girl or something like that.
(14:46):
She's thirty trainer or something. She's thirty two, so she's
not a kid herself. He's having an affair with even
though he's married with kids and not cool. How's he
end up arrested?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Well that's yeah, it's super not cool obviously, but also
the University of Michigan is super sooner woke, so the
idea that there's a power and balance, so there's a
privilege there. I'm sure that was strict for both and
have a romantic relationship with an underling of any sort. Okay,
So apparently the guy goes to after being fired, goes
to his paramore's home and threatens her and scares her.
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She calls the cops. He leaves with several knives.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
For some reason. So he twisted off.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So it would seem whether she I'm sure in his
firing interview it was made clear to him how they
had an idea, a very very good idea, that he
was involved in this relationship. I have a feeling she
became unhappy, dissatisfied in some way and informed the university
or at least backed up the story, and he went
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to her place to cheer out about it, or god
knows what else.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
We'll probably get more details on this. I thought you
were leaving your wife. Why hasn't this happened yet that
sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Oh wow, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Okay, Katie, you brought this up, so Yesterday we played
the clip of Elon Musk saying if he only could
eat one thing the rest of his life, was only
allowed to eat one thing, risks if he'd choose cheeseburgers
made me hungry. I wanted a cheeseburger. Late in the day,
I finally got a cheeseburger. I tweeted out a picture
of it, and what is the problem. Oh so many questions.
People want to know if it was a child's burger.
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Another person said it made them sad, and a lot
of people want to know if you paired it with
the hot.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Cocoa that can be seen on the table. So, yeah,
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
I had high hopes for a really great cheeseburger, which
I'm going to have tonight at Omaha Steaks cheeseburger.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But I went to In and Out and.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Uh, which they're okay, But I mean it's still fast food.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Burger in and Out is fantastic, and there's just nothing
on that burger. I just go ketchup mustard pickles.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Okay, Yeah, I just I have tried. I've given up.
Now I've given up. I've tried to rule that Jack
is not allowed to review food nor beverage.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
What do you have? He's hard of tasting?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
You just why do you have to put more on
than ketchup, mustard and pickles. That's pretty good. So I
didn't see.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I didn't think.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I wasn't gonna say anything about this because I don't
have a whole lot of room. I had one without
a bun yesterday because my number one skill is getting fat.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
So we're my number one skill is getting fat. But
I mean jack.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
In response, and I apologize because there's a lady present.
But you just said, why do you need more than
the missionary position with the lights out and in as
many clothes still on as possible?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Talk, that's what you just said.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Socks, pants, pants and a shirt, a sport coat if
you have one, scarf, and as over as quickly as possible.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Let's not delay. Let's just get this over with. The
hot coke hot coco was my son's. I did not
pair it with a hot coco. I had a cup
of water.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, anybody could have figured that out.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Anyway, you need to read do cheeseburger day because that's
not all right with any anybody. So what's going on
with the peace plan between Russia and Ukraine and Trump and.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Everything Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
The White House says it is tired of peace talks
between Russia and Ukraine and President Trump wants action. So
Ukrainian President Volodi Mayir Zelinski sent his proposed plan to
the US. As his team wrestles with terms on security
guarantees and giving up land to Russia. He said to
meet with European leaders tomorrow. President Trump says his team
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could fly out to Europe as long as there is
a quote good chance of progress on a deal coming soon.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Well, Trump, I go to Europe to talk to European leaders.
The headline in the Wall Street Journal today is Ukraine
pitches Trump on vision for peace, but tenison is over
territory remain. European leaders seek talks this weekend. Sounds like
to with Trump, who wants more pressure on Zelensky. Trump's
deal is he wants more pressure on Zelensky. I go
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back and forth on whether I horrified by that or
I think he's just the only one living in reality.
You sent me the Twitter thread last weekend of friend
of the Armstrong and Getty Show. Historian Neil Ferguson. It
was basically like, this is a sucky deal for Ukraine,
but they ought to take it because it's only going
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to get worse, and Putin has no reason to quit
unless he's given a lot, I mean, and it's just reality.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
At the same time, though, the deal as it seems
to be composed right now doesn't provide good enough long
term security guarantees for Ukraine, so they're like, why are
we going to give up the land when we're just
gonna start fighting again in eighteen months.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
This is crazy. I just this is a unique.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Situation in that the arbitrator is the only one who's
really desperate for a deal. You gotta I think both
sides are only acting like they're trying to negotiate because
Trump insists they do.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Honestly, well, you get it's always been this way. You've
got to have some leverage on the Ukraine side, and
there just hasn't been any. And I think it's got
to come from Europe, not the United States. In fact,
there's an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal today
Europe is failing Ukraine, but not surprising it providing enough
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support or guarantees as part of this piece deal or whatever.
Somebody's got to put skin in the game, or yeah,
why putin' quit? I agree completely, Yeah, yeah, Europe is
just so feckless. They're frustrating. I just this reminds me
of No, it's even worse than.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
The Hamas Israel thing in that neither side is interested
in the long term deal, but we still have these
frantic negociations taking place in Trump throwing his weight around.
I don't see it crystallizing into a deal. Oh hey,
for what it's worth. The Israel thing right now, what's
going on in Gaza and with Hamas and some of
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the other malicious it's super, super interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
But the media has moved on.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
It's not as bloody as it used to be, so
it's not as interesting as it used to be.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
But it's it's like I.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Said, it's really interesting seeing how power develops out of
a vacuum and how Israel is still killing the hell
out of Hamas guys all the time, every day. Did
you know that because Hamask guys aren't restricted to where
they're supposed to be, they're still hidden in tunnels and
still have weapons and the rest of it. So Israel's
hunting down and getting them. But because Hamas can't hold
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the hostages hostage as it were. Day to day, Israel's
just more or less doing what they need to do,
which makes me happy.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Well that's yesterday's war. Nobody's interested in that anymore. Back
to Jay War Russian Ukraine. Trump is traveling to Europe
probably this weekend. From the Wall Street Journal today. In
a call yesterday that both sides described as tense, God,
I would like to be able to listen in on these,
Trump told the German, French, and British leaders that they
should be pressing Zelensky to accept the terms of a
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peace plan that we've put on the table, under which
Ukraine would accept broad territorial losses cap the size of
its military. Said something, you get invaded by a hostile power,
and all the big, strong people around you that could
do something about it say you should give up your
land and have a smaller military.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
That's a heck of a thing.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Well, Trump is saying that the Europeans aren't, are they.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
No, Well no, the Europeans are not saying that, but
they're not offering up defense for Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So I mean, if Europe.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Doesn't want Trump to be the guy who makes the decision,
go ahead, knock yourselves out.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
It's your continent.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
You may have no money left because of our general
as wealtha of state you.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Take that's the lead.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
That would be awesome if we're just hey, we're way
over here. What do we have to do with it? Well,
fun NATO, but we got nothing to do with it. It's
your continent. But that's not the way it works. It's
about whether Trump agrees or not, because you all are
just a bunch.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Of I was gonna say a bad word. Oh my.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
I wonder if Putin has the slightest desire to have
this come to an end. I mean even the slightest.
He might not have the slightest desire to come for it.
It's possible that he's like, man, this has cost a
lot of people and a lot of money and everything
like that, and I'm not sure it turned out the
way I wanted to. So if I could get you know,
that chunk of donetskin and blah blah bah all this stories.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But he might not have any interesting stopping like zero.
That's the question.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Is put In looking for an off ramp, even a
good one, or does he have the utter nomination of
Ukraine in mind and any agreement he comes to will
just be a stepping stone toward that goal. That's the question.
I happen to believe it's the latter. The second choice.
He needs to dominate all of Ukraine because of his
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Tsarist wishes to restore the Russian Republic in one reading.
The other reading is the Russia has long been paranoid
about its security, especially coming from that direction from the West,
because they have no natural barriers blah blah blah, and
they need a buffer zone. And so yes, he needs
to have a pretty good control of Ukraine. Either way
you look at it. I think that's his goal. He's
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unless he gets that. He's a megalomaniac who spends human
lives like I spend dimes. He doesn't want enough ram
he doesn't need it.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Different article in the Wall Street Journal, in which they're
quoting Trump behind the scenes, is saying Ukraine's losing the war.
It's only going to get worse. The Wall Street Journal
opinion was Russia after nearly four years of war, by
which time the Soviet Union in World War Two had
fended off a German invasion and seized Berlin. And so
it's a long time to do a lot of stuff
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militarily is far from taking the eastern Dunetsk province, a
target since its first invasion of Ukraine in twenty fourteen,
in other words, their main target.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
After four years of war and.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Expending a million people, they haven't been able to pull
it off.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
So what do you mean Ukraine's losing well? In Ukraine's
commanders are saying, no, we're not. They make incremental Greek gains,
but then we just take them back again, or they,
you know, take some little town. It makes a lot
of news, but it's fine. They can have the town.
We're not giving ground in the important places.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
So and I haven't come across this today. I heard
this on NPR this morning. I meant to google it
that Zelensky made some noises about being willing to put
it to a vote. You know, they haven't had any
elections in Ukraine during the war because it's really hard
to have elections during the war.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
But he has said a constitution says you're not supposed to.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
He said he'd be willing to put it to a
vote to the people whether or not they want to
accept this peace plan where we give up land and
limit the size of our army et cetera.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Uh, yeah, yeah, I think he has a pretty good
idea of how that vote would come out. Do you
think you think it would be overwhelmingly No, that's my
perception based on what I've heard, but I haven't heard recently.
I suspect he has a better idea and it may
be a message to Trump because and Donald J likes this.
(26:24):
Every single aspect of this goes through the lens of
Trump when Britain's talked, with a few exceptions, I guess,
but Zelensky is trying to talk to Trump through that poll,
I think, or that vote rather, you know, the Russians
are talking through Trump to Zelensky.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And it's just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
It's you don't have two parties interested in making a deal,
and to the extent that they're kind of sort of
maybe you know, theoretically interested in making a deal. They're
major if this is there's no way we're making a deal.
They all stand both sides. This is I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
I can't imagine the emotional mental toll this has taken
on Zelenski.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Four years coming up in February.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
All the other world leaders are different now than when
it started. He's still the same guy dealing with this
like right at his doorstep literally could lose his life
on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
That God, that'd be tiring. I can't even imagine happier news.
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We are gonna grill up some Omaha Steak burgers and
then probably some hot dogs for my son who doesn't
like red meat for some reason. Either son, and then
then watch a Christmas movie. Last week we watched Home Alone.
I mean, it's gonna be a movie we've seen before
almost certainly. What's what's a good go to?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Michael? What's your go to?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
You like?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Elfdy? Like elf?
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Kids feel like they've seen it too many times? That
one we did run pretty hard into the.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Ground when they were younger. That's a good one.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
And it's got Bob Newhart in it. What's not the
like Katie a big fan of Bad Santa. Bad Santa.
That's uh, Billy Bob Thorpe.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I like that one too. I don't know if I've
seen Bad Santa. Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Okay, well that's what we're doing tonight. Is that appropriate
for teens? King?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Actually, ah, it's not. Probably a scene or two that
you always checked.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
The common sense media thing before we watch movies. So
but yeah, because we started to watch what's the really
bloody one?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Oh Night Violin? Good God, I saw that, so it
it's so unnecessary.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
God, So it makes Quentin Tarantino seem like you're watching,
you know, the fifties production of Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Oh, what's the sequel going to be called? Deck the
Halls with the Bowels of Holly. I mean, that's just disgusting.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
I feel like you weren't really wondering about a sequel,
You just wanted to get that play on words.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And oh, speaking of ugly things happening, did you hear
the the Nobel Prize winning lady from Venezuela is Maschado
Maria Mushado almost died in her escape.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
No, oh, the untold story is now the told story.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Cool Deck the Bowels, so he said, no, you got
all that on the way.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Stay here.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
China just unveiled their giant giant transport plane, or we
just saw it for the first time that can transport
gazillions of drones anywhere they want to in the world.
They could just fly this giant plane over and release
all these drones.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Wow, those those big giant cargo planes amaze me. Yeah,
I think they probably amaze everybody. And I assume China is.
I assume China's is extra insanely large. And you know
what if that big weather balloon had had a whole
bunch of drones in it that we let fly clear
across the country under Biden, unbelievable, What a moment that was. So,
(31:13):
you know, it's funny. I've remarked a number of times
that most people are in jobs they'd never heard of
as a kid. Very few of us grow up to
be cowboys or hockey players or whatever. And also that
you know, there are very very few kids that would say.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
When I grow up, I want to be an insurance broker.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Though being an insurance broker is a honorable and fine
way to make a living in sport your family, more
kids need to want to grow up to be extraction specialists.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
What is that? The story of how it sounds like
a dentist, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (31:49):
The way they got Maria Machado out of Venezuela and
to Europe is a story. It's the sort of thing
they make an adventure movie out of, and people like it,
like the well I Am the Captain now movie.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
You know, it's got that field to it.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
She's the opposition leader of Nobel Peace Prize winner.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Indeed, yes, who made her way to Norway. So Brian
Stern is kind of the star of this story. He's
a bearded US combat veteran. He makes his living doing
clandestine extractions from hostile countries and war zones.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Well, that would not be a boring job.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
WHOA If we need somebody out of a very very
dangerous place, Brian and his company, they go get him.
And he was in charge of linking up with Ms
Maschado and her couple of people who are in country
who are smuggling her out. And we'd mentioned to you
(32:48):
that she and her small crew were going bad out
of Hell style across the Caribbean Sea during heavy winds
and high seas.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I don't know if I'm going out in a boat
on the sea off of Ven's Way. I just don't
know if that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Well, they'd called our military, they had, you know, Brian
and company were coordinating all this and said, hey, if
you see a red boat going real fast, it's your girl, Maria.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Please don't be blasting it.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
But anyway, so evidently the sea was so violent their
GPS transmitter got bucked overboard, but they.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Had a backup, but the backup.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Didn't more so, can you imagine, so Operation Golden Dynamite
reference to Alfred Nobel, Swedish chemist invented dynamite.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Eta was looking very, very bad.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
She failed to come to the liaison point, and Brian Stern,
the guy we're talking about, and others were.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Like, oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
And they had to find her out in the ocean.
Now it's not the Pacific Ocean, but it's it's a
big enough area. And they finally did find her, floating around,
not sure where they were and where to go, but
it took hours.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Wow, glad she didn't die out there. So, uh, this
is so interesting. Do we have a minute.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah, Extracting Mashada would entail moving an instantly recognizable person,
Venezuela's iconic opposition later who was in hiding? Uh just
when everyone expects her to be on the move, everyone
knows her face, turn said, moving Maria's like moving Hillary Clinton.
They planned at least nine possible scenarios, from air or
(34:32):
helicopter rescues to taking her out through Guiana or Colombia.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I have a front loader.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Wo.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Wow? Is that a shot at h'll wow?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Anyway, Stern said his team planted false rumors to keep
the world looking for her in the wrong places. Some
tales put her in Europe, others in a car headed
for Colombia. Another that she had sneaked out of the
country aboard a US flight that had dropped off deporties
from Venezuela. So part of this guy's gig is intelligence
and counter intelligence to lay the groundwork for what they
(35:05):
do inside and outside Venezuela. People were falling closely debated
whether the Maduro regime had infiltrating her movement, was letting
her leave or not. Bobba Stern says, no, we didn't
get any help from the Venezuelans whatsoever. So she left
her heide out in a wig and a disguise, made
her way through ten military checkpoints and.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Onto the sea.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
While she was in a disguise with a wig, went
through ten military checkpoints that had to be nerve wracking.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
So you got the guys at the beach. She finally
gets there and they say, yeah, good news is we're
here with the boat. Bad news is we got some
pretty serious mechanical issues. They had chosen intentionally run down
fishing boat, so it just didn't look like something anybody
would ever use for that sort of thing. Well, for
good reason. Fixing the engine problem caused a twelve dout
(35:59):
hour delay. They left as the sun was setting instead
of one it was rising. Once at sea, the open
boat face waves up to ten feet that led one
of the crew members to vomit overboard for much of
the journey. Oh heck, I've been on whale watches where
people vomited over the railing most of the journey anyway,
So it ended up being a hairy, hairy operation. But
(36:20):
they finally got her.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
I am surprised that it was that precarious for her.
I just said, God, Maduro would be making such a
bad political move if he were to arrest her. Certainly
if he was to harmer or kill her. God, the
condemnation that would come down on him. I mean, he's
already in a bad situation. She would be a n
(36:45):
a Volney like character if she got arrested.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Well, you saw what happened with him. He ended up dead.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, and Putin's fine. That's actually an interesting question. What
would the calculus be within a totalitarian system like theirs?
If you know, they did dispatch her somehow. Anyway, She's okay,
made it to Euroupe.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
What a life to live, to be in the extraction business.
Oh my gosh, that would capture your full attention.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
You're rarely leaning back in your chair looking out the
window saying another day, same old crap.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Could I call him if I'm at a party and
I want to get out of a conversation. Does he
do stuff at that level? It'll cost you
Speaker 2 (37:27):
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Speaker 5 (00:46):
Michigan football coach still don't quite understand what's going on there.
I mean, very very uncool. You're married with kids and
you're having an affair. They're at work, and I just
saw a thing that said it was a worst kept
secret at Michigan, like lots of people knew it. How'd
you end up arrested? You don't get arrested for that. Yeah,
there are plenty of clues.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I think I know what went on, and it's pretty ugly,
but we'll get to that in a little bit. I
want to preface this conversation by saying, and I wish
I could remember the headline. I was getting ready for
the show today, just plowing through all sorts of different stuff,
and I came across a couple of stories. One of
them had to do with reforming college campuses. The other one,
(01:25):
as I recall, had something to do with enforcing actual
civil rights, ending racism by ending racism, not by promoting
more racism. And I thought to myself, only Donald J.
Trump and his administration to have the balls to do
this would take on the media and the entrenched activist
class and the Democratic Party and call you know, call
(01:46):
reality what it is. And I thought, I'm going to
hate losing this. And I hope whoever succeeds Trump and
the Republican Party can keep the momentum going anyway, you know.
And the border has closed it and I'm just so
grateful for a lot of the good things that have
happened during the Trump administration. But as I've told Jack
(02:08):
both on the air and off the air, I have
a gut feeling honed over many years of watching this
stuff that this is a ship that is heading for
the rocks. It does not have the feeling of something
coming together. It has the feeling of something falling apart. Well,
and we got three full years left, and the standard
lane duckery of the last two years in office, the
(02:31):
midterm elections frequently makes it really tough for a president
to be productive. And that's not Donald Jay's faults. It's
just the system, right, It's just the way the cookie.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Tends to crumble.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
But if you look at both some of the numbers
and some of the trends that are unmistakable. Peggy Nowtan
is absolutely fantastic writing for the Journal, cites a couple
of polls. You know, we've all heard that the approval
rating on economic matters for Trump is down substantially, because
that was always his bedrock. His approval on immigration numbers
(03:05):
are down substantially, and then she points out that look
a year into the term, every president gets on people's nerves.
You disappoint your fans a little because you over promise
during the campaign everybody else, and you're infuriating your foes.
Be goes, well, they're your foes, so that's to be expected.
(03:26):
But then she gets to the Marjorie Taylor Green thing
breaking away from Trump on the Epstein files, among other things.
And by the way, it's we're thrown in I think
Marjorie Taylor Green's a nut. I think she's wrong about
most things.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, and she's said some crazyes in her career.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Right, So this is not pitching one side or the other,
is right, We're just watching the football game and analyzing
how the players are playing. But then Peggy Noonan points
out that once someone makes a jail break, though, who
defies Trump comes out right against him. And wait a minute,
the world didn't turn on her and attack her, and
(04:02):
the entire Republican Party and the MAGA world are not
savaging her. In fact, a lot of people are saying, wait,
she made the jail break, I got my own issues.
I'm going to break out too. This changes the conversation
in the prison yard. Guards are eyed differently, the warden's
mystique is diminished, and so she writes about that a
(04:22):
little bit, and then she talks about.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
When Trump is erratic, Well, do you think they think
that's fair to start with?
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Because they asked that question when I didn't watch the
whole MTG interview on sixty minutes. Man, you want to
become rich, be a conservative. That then turns on the
Republican Party or the sitting Republican president. Guaranteed wealth because
the mainstream media will embrace you and you get to
be Joe Scarborough or who's the other chick that's on
(04:52):
There was a speech writer for Bush and turned against
all everything Republican.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
She's on later, But man, that's a guarantee. You just
are loved, beloved.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
And Marjorie Taylor Green's trying to kind of get in
that treatment right now. I don't know how far she's
willing to go. But so Leslie Stall in sixty minutes
kept trying to portray her as like Trump won, you
had to resign.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
She's not a bad angle.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, she doesn't see it that way, but yeah, she's
not wrong. Leslie Stall is not wrong. Annoying, but not wrong.
You know, as long as we're talking MTG here she
is talking to a super genius, Wolf Blitzer on CNN.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Of the Day. You got that, Michael.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
President Trump posted yesterday that you are quote and I'm
quoting him now, not America First or MAGA and your
quote new views are those of a very dumb person.
That's the President of the United States speaking about your
speaking about you. What's your response to these latest attacks.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
Well, actually, Wolf, I feel very sorry for President Trump,
I genuinely do. It has to be a hard place
for someone that is constantly so hateful and puts so
much vitriol, name calling, and really tells lies about people
in order to try to get his way or win
(06:20):
some kind of fight. And I think that's exactly what's
wrong in America today. That's what's wrong in this toxic
political environment that has ripped our country apart. And I
personally think that that's poor leadership from a president, you know.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
While so the mainstream media is now treating her the
way they're treating her, despite the fact that they used
to beat her up for the fact that she thought
nine to eleven was an inside job, no plane hit,
the Pentagon space lasers funded by the Jews, were linked
to Democrats, and a number of other things that she
used to get beaten up with. But so turns on Trump,
(06:58):
She's a hero.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So Peggy Noonan talks about Trump's hate stoking and is
you know, making really strong accusations and how that's more
dangerous because we're in a dark time and Peggy's very
much a traditionalist. But when you've got Peggy Noonan and
MTG both agreeing that, look all the vitriol, all the insults,
(07:21):
all the time.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
It's just not helpful.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And then Peggy moves on to the affordability as a
democratic hoax while he's building the giant ballroom. I don't
think many people actually care about the ballroom, but.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It just doesn't have a good feel.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
But with AI and inflation in the air, people are scared,
and the administration doesn't seem like it understands that. It's
not acting like it understands that. So I thought that
was interesting. And then the the MTG stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
The Free Press sent one of their reporters to MTG's
district and talk to a bunch of the folks in
the reddest district in Georgia. And that's like the reddest
apple or the reddest firetruck. That's friggin' red folks. That's
really really red. And it's interesting. A lot of voters,
(08:14):
many many of all but one she talked to, had said,
I'm done with Trump.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
MTG is right. I'm not MAGA.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I'm America first, and Trump isn't America first anymore. You know,
it's funny about this. And again, this is not rooting
for one thing or another. It's just sitting in the
box and commenting on the game I'm watching. I disagree
with like everybody quoted in this article about what America's
foreign policy ought to be.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I think they're wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I think they have a very oversimplified new to politics angry.
Why are we wasting money on Furner's point of view?
That's just not realistic. So it's not like I agree
with MTG in her people, but it's undeniably something that's happening.
The Hispanic vote, which famously switched over to Trump up
(09:00):
and the Republicans, appears to have gone now according to
a lot of polls, things are changing.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, I think a lot of that.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
I think it can all come down to prices, and
you know, mock the word affordability all you want, but
that all kinds of punditry was done around why various
groups moved toward Trump, and he famously grew his vote
in every single county in the entire America, in the
(09:30):
entire country.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
But like two, I think.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
It was almost like entirely about things are too expensive,
and it wasn't all these other issues that they tried
to make it out.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I would throw immigration into that delicious sandwich, but because
that was such an egregious and horrifying problem.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
But and you know it's funny.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I Trump's greatest gift is that he is disdainful of
his critics, because a lot of his critics deserved nothing
but disdain. His greatest weakness is that he's disdainful of
his critics, because sometimes his critics are people who agree
with him on a lot of stuff and are saying, hey,
you're going to set your own house on fire if
(10:12):
you're not a little more careful, Like the immigration thing.
He's lost a lot of support on the immigration thing
and the deportionitations thing. And as I watch it, I
think it's because, as usual with Trump, he went twenty
percent too far, too fast, too harsh, too disdainful of
the concerns being raised again by people who agree with him.
(10:33):
Never mind this stupid there's no such thing as an
illegal human crowd. Those people are idiots and Marxists, and
I don't you know, they're wrong, They're just completely wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
But the crowd's saying, look.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Let's keep it narrowly to the criminals and the guy
who's been working in the community for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
That's going to erode support.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Let's go gentle on him, Let's figure out what to
do about that more carefully.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
He was disdainful of that too. Well, these next couple
of months, inflation reports are going to be really really big.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Oh really, yes really, because there's everyone knows that he's
going to be a pretty unhappy populous if inflation continues.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
And everyone knows that.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
I agree with you, Joe, Joe, you met her, right,
got your picture taken with her?
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Yes, that was quite entertaining.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Well, you're on the same plane or went on a
date or I don't remember what the story is. We're
at the same gate in an airport and you approached her,
she approached you. Why would she approach me because you're
a radio star?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Oh right, uh uh no, I just yeah, it was Hey,
how are you mind if I say, oh, of course,
I have about a click. I should have engaged her
more conversation, but there are a bunch of people wanting
to talk to her, and I just I'm not that guy.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
I don't you know monopolies. How'd she look in person
compared to on TV smaller? She's bad built, bush body?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Well, now I would not. She's very fit. Yeah, but
she's quite petite. She's also better looking in person. The
camera's not kind to her. Not that that matters for
a congress person, but you know, she's a woman. She
wears the makeup, she picks clothes to try to look nice.
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I had to do a zoom call the other day
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he looked completely different. It's the first time I've ever
seen him on camera. I've only seen him in person
in his office, and he looked completely different. I thought, Wow,
you're a way better looking dude on the zoom call
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How interesting the camera loves him.
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other things on the.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Way before fired head football coach Sharone Moore's arrest. Emergency
dispatch audio reveals an alleged attack at an address belonging
to a Michigan football staff member around four o'clock Wednesday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Quarter of victim. Here he did for a nice says
still and right now. He walked out with several nights more.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Was later detained by police and booked at the WASHINGTONA
County Jail. No charging information has been released yet.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
So original story was head coach Michigan football, which is
like one of the greatest coaching jobs in the entire
planet of any sport and pays many, many millions of dollars,
gets fired because he had an inappropriate relationship with a staffer.
And for some reason, in my mind, I was picturing
because he's like in his late thirties. It was like
a twenty year old college girl or something like that.
(14:46):
She's thirty trainer or something. She's thirty two, so she's
not a kid herself. He's having an affair with even
though he's married with kids and not cool. How's he
end up arrested?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Well that's yeah, it's super not cool obviously, but also
the University of Michigan is super sooner woke, so the
idea that there's a power and balance, so there's a
privilege there. I'm sure that was strict for both and
have a romantic relationship with an underling of any sort. Okay,
So apparently the guy goes to after being fired, goes
to his paramore's home and threatens her and scares her.
(15:20):
She calls the cops. He leaves with several knives.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
For some reason. So he twisted off.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So it would seem whether she I'm sure in his
firing interview it was made clear to him how they
had an idea, a very very good idea, that he
was involved in this relationship. I have a feeling she
became unhappy, dissatisfied in some way and informed the university
or at least backed up the story, and he went
(15:50):
to her place to cheer out about it, or god
knows what else.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
We'll probably get more details on this. I thought you
were leaving your wife. Why hasn't this happened yet that
sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Oh wow, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Okay, Katie, you brought this up, so Yesterday we played
the clip of Elon Musk saying if he only could
eat one thing the rest of his life, was only
allowed to eat one thing, risks if he'd choose cheeseburgers
made me hungry. I wanted a cheeseburger. Late in the day,
I finally got a cheeseburger. I tweeted out a picture
of it, and what is the problem. Oh so many questions.
People want to know if it was a child's burger.
(16:25):
Another person said it made them sad, and a lot
of people want to know if you paired it with
the hot.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Cocoa that can be seen on the table. So, yeah,
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
I had high hopes for a really great cheeseburger, which
I'm going to have tonight at Omaha Steaks cheeseburger.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But I went to In and Out and.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Uh, which they're okay, But I mean it's still fast food.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Burger in and Out is fantastic, and there's just nothing
on that burger. I just go ketchup mustard pickles.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Okay, Yeah, I just I have tried. I've given up.
Now I've given up. I've tried to rule that Jack
is not allowed to review food nor beverage.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
What do you have? He's hard of tasting?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
You just why do you have to put more on
than ketchup, mustard and pickles. That's pretty good. So I
didn't see.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I didn't think.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I wasn't gonna say anything about this because I don't
have a whole lot of room. I had one without
a bun yesterday because my number one skill is getting fat.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
So we're my number one skill is getting fat. But
I mean jack.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
In response, and I apologize because there's a lady present.
But you just said, why do you need more than
the missionary position with the lights out and in as
many clothes still on as possible?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Talk, that's what you just said.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Socks, pants, pants and a shirt, a sport coat if
you have one, scarf, and as over as quickly as possible.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Let's not delay. Let's just get this over with. The
hot coke hot coco was my son's. I did not
pair it with a hot coco. I had a cup
of water.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, anybody could have figured that out.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Anyway, you need to read do cheeseburger day because that's
not all right with any anybody. So what's going on
with the peace plan between Russia and Ukraine and Trump and.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Everything Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
The White House says it is tired of peace talks
between Russia and Ukraine and President Trump wants action. So
Ukrainian President Volodi Mayir Zelinski sent his proposed plan to
the US. As his team wrestles with terms on security
guarantees and giving up land to Russia. He said to
meet with European leaders tomorrow. President Trump says his team
(18:39):
could fly out to Europe as long as there is
a quote good chance of progress on a deal coming soon.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Well, Trump, I go to Europe to talk to European leaders.
The headline in the Wall Street Journal today is Ukraine
pitches Trump on vision for peace, but tenison is over
territory remain. European leaders seek talks this weekend. Sounds like
to with Trump, who wants more pressure on Zelensky. Trump's
deal is he wants more pressure on Zelensky. I go
(19:07):
back and forth on whether I horrified by that or
I think he's just the only one living in reality.
You sent me the Twitter thread last weekend of friend
of the Armstrong and Getty Show. Historian Neil Ferguson. It
was basically like, this is a sucky deal for Ukraine,
but they ought to take it because it's only going
(19:28):
to get worse, and Putin has no reason to quit
unless he's given a lot, I mean, and it's just reality.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
At the same time, though, the deal as it seems
to be composed right now doesn't provide good enough long
term security guarantees for Ukraine, so they're like, why are
we going to give up the land when we're just
gonna start fighting again in eighteen months.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
This is crazy. I just this is a unique.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Situation in that the arbitrator is the only one who's
really desperate for a deal. You gotta I think both
sides are only acting like they're trying to negotiate because
Trump insists they do.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Honestly, well, you get it's always been this way. You've
got to have some leverage on the Ukraine side, and
there just hasn't been any. And I think it's got
to come from Europe, not the United States. In fact,
there's an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal today
Europe is failing Ukraine, but not surprising it providing enough
(20:27):
support or guarantees as part of this piece deal or whatever.
Somebody's got to put skin in the game, or yeah,
why putin' quit? I agree completely, Yeah, yeah, Europe is
just so feckless. They're frustrating. I just this reminds me
of No, it's even worse than.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
The Hamas Israel thing in that neither side is interested
in the long term deal, but we still have these
frantic negociations taking place in Trump throwing his weight around.
I don't see it crystallizing into a deal. Oh hey,
for what it's worth. The Israel thing right now, what's
going on in Gaza and with Hamas and some of
(21:11):
the other malicious it's super, super interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
But the media has moved on.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
It's not as bloody as it used to be, so
it's not as interesting as it used to be.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
But it's it's like I.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Said, it's really interesting seeing how power develops out of
a vacuum and how Israel is still killing the hell
out of Hamas guys all the time, every day. Did
you know that because Hamask guys aren't restricted to where
they're supposed to be, they're still hidden in tunnels and
still have weapons and the rest of it. So Israel's
hunting down and getting them. But because Hamas can't hold
(21:43):
the hostages hostage as it were. Day to day, Israel's
just more or less doing what they need to do,
which makes me happy.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Well that's yesterday's war. Nobody's interested in that anymore. Back
to Jay War Russian Ukraine. Trump is traveling to Europe
probably this weekend. From the Wall Street Journal today. In
a call yesterday that both sides described as tense, God,
I would like to be able to listen in on these,
Trump told the German, French, and British leaders that they
should be pressing Zelensky to accept the terms of a
(22:13):
peace plan that we've put on the table, under which
Ukraine would accept broad territorial losses cap the size of
its military. Said something, you get invaded by a hostile power,
and all the big, strong people around you that could
do something about it say you should give up your
land and have a smaller military.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
That's a heck of a thing.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Well, Trump is saying that the Europeans aren't, are they.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
No, Well no, the Europeans are not saying that, but
they're not offering up defense for Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So I mean, if Europe.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Doesn't want Trump to be the guy who makes the decision,
go ahead, knock yourselves out.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
It's your continent.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
You may have no money left because of our general
as wealtha of state you.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Take that's the lead.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
That would be awesome if we're just hey, we're way
over here. What do we have to do with it? Well,
fun NATO, but we got nothing to do with it. It's
your continent. But that's not the way it works. It's
about whether Trump agrees or not, because you all are
just a bunch.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Of I was gonna say a bad word. Oh my.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
I wonder if Putin has the slightest desire to have
this come to an end. I mean even the slightest.
He might not have the slightest desire to come for it.
It's possible that he's like, man, this has cost a
lot of people and a lot of money and everything
like that, and I'm not sure it turned out the
way I wanted to. So if I could get you know,
that chunk of donetskin and blah blah bah all this stories.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But he might not have any interesting stopping like zero.
That's the question.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Is put In looking for an off ramp, even a
good one, or does he have the utter nomination of
Ukraine in mind and any agreement he comes to will
just be a stepping stone toward that goal. That's the question.
I happen to believe it's the latter. The second choice.
He needs to dominate all of Ukraine because of his
(24:09):
Tsarist wishes to restore the Russian Republic in one reading.
The other reading is the Russia has long been paranoid
about its security, especially coming from that direction from the West,
because they have no natural barriers blah blah blah, and
they need a buffer zone. And so yes, he needs
to have a pretty good control of Ukraine. Either way
you look at it. I think that's his goal. He's
(24:31):
unless he gets that. He's a megalomaniac who spends human
lives like I spend dimes. He doesn't want enough ram
he doesn't need it.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Different article in the Wall Street Journal, in which they're
quoting Trump behind the scenes, is saying Ukraine's losing the war.
It's only going to get worse. The Wall Street Journal
opinion was Russia after nearly four years of war, by
which time the Soviet Union in World War Two had
fended off a German invasion and seized Berlin. And so
it's a long time to do a lot of stuff
(25:02):
militarily is far from taking the eastern Dunetsk province, a
target since its first invasion of Ukraine in twenty fourteen,
in other words, their main target.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
After four years of war and.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Expending a million people, they haven't been able to pull
it off.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
So what do you mean Ukraine's losing well? In Ukraine's
commanders are saying, no, we're not. They make incremental Greek gains,
but then we just take them back again, or they,
you know, take some little town. It makes a lot
of news, but it's fine. They can have the town.
We're not giving ground in the important places.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
So and I haven't come across this today. I heard
this on NPR this morning. I meant to google it
that Zelensky made some noises about being willing to put
it to a vote. You know, they haven't had any
elections in Ukraine during the war because it's really hard
to have elections during the war.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
But he has said a constitution says you're not supposed to.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
He said he'd be willing to put it to a
vote to the people whether or not they want to
accept this peace plan where we give up land and
limit the size of our army et cetera.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Uh, yeah, yeah, I think he has a pretty good
idea of how that vote would come out. Do you
think you think it would be overwhelmingly No, that's my
perception based on what I've heard, but I haven't heard recently.
I suspect he has a better idea and it may
be a message to Trump because and Donald J likes this.
(26:24):
Every single aspect of this goes through the lens of
Trump when Britain's talked, with a few exceptions, I guess,
but Zelensky is trying to talk to Trump through that poll,
I think, or that vote rather, you know, the Russians
are talking through Trump to Zelensky.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And it's just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
It's you don't have two parties interested in making a deal,
and to the extent that they're kind of sort of
maybe you know, theoretically interested in making a deal. They're
major if this is there's no way we're making a deal.
They all stand both sides. This is I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
I can't imagine the emotional mental toll this has taken
on Zelenski.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Four years coming up in February.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
All the other world leaders are different now than when
it started. He's still the same guy dealing with this
like right at his doorstep literally could lose his life
on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
That God, that'd be tiring. I can't even imagine happier news.
Yes what there was there more.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
I was about to say last segment, A bunch of
people were mocking me for the cheeseburger that I ate yesterday.
I'm going to do much better tonight with an Omaha
Steaks cheeseburger.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
There you go. That's a good start, man. Are they delicious?
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Speaker 5 (28:41):
We are gonna grill up some Omaha Steak burgers and
then probably some hot dogs for my son who doesn't
like red meat for some reason. Either son, and then
then watch a Christmas movie. Last week we watched Home Alone.
I mean, it's gonna be a movie we've seen before
almost certainly. What's what's a good go to?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Michael? What's your go to?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
You like?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Elfdy? Like elf?
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Kids feel like they've seen it too many times? That
one we did run pretty hard into the.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Ground when they were younger. That's a good one.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
And it's got Bob Newhart in it. What's not the
like Katie a big fan of Bad Santa. Bad Santa.
That's uh, Billy Bob Thorpe.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I like that one too. I don't know if I've
seen Bad Santa. Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Okay, well that's what we're doing tonight. Is that appropriate
for teens? King?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Actually, ah, it's not. Probably a scene or two that
you always checked.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
The common sense media thing before we watch movies. So
but yeah, because we started to watch what's the really
bloody one?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Oh Night Violin? Good God, I saw that, so it
it's so unnecessary.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
God, So it makes Quentin Tarantino seem like you're watching,
you know, the fifties production of Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Oh, what's the sequel going to be called? Deck the
Halls with the Bowels of Holly. I mean, that's just disgusting.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
I feel like you weren't really wondering about a sequel,
You just wanted to get that play on words.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And oh, speaking of ugly things happening, did you hear
the the Nobel Prize winning lady from Venezuela is Maschado
Maria Mushado almost died in her escape.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
No, oh, the untold story is now the told story.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Cool Deck the Bowels, so he said, no, you got
all that on the way.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Stay here.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
China just unveiled their giant giant transport plane, or we
just saw it for the first time that can transport
gazillions of drones anywhere they want to in the world.
They could just fly this giant plane over and release
all these drones.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Wow, those those big giant cargo planes amaze me. Yeah,
I think they probably amaze everybody. And I assume China is.
I assume China's is extra insanely large. And you know
what if that big weather balloon had had a whole
bunch of drones in it that we let fly clear
across the country under Biden, unbelievable, What a moment that was. So,
(31:13):
you know, it's funny. I've remarked a number of times
that most people are in jobs they'd never heard of
as a kid. Very few of us grow up to
be cowboys or hockey players or whatever. And also that
you know, there are very very few kids that would say.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
When I grow up, I want to be an insurance broker.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Though being an insurance broker is a honorable and fine
way to make a living in sport your family, more
kids need to want to grow up to be extraction specialists.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
What is that? The story of how it sounds like
a dentist, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (31:49):
The way they got Maria Machado out of Venezuela and
to Europe is a story. It's the sort of thing
they make an adventure movie out of, and people like it,
like the well I Am the Captain now movie.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
You know, it's got that field to it.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
She's the opposition leader of Nobel Peace Prize winner.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Indeed, yes, who made her way to Norway. So Brian
Stern is kind of the star of this story. He's
a bearded US combat veteran. He makes his living doing
clandestine extractions from hostile countries and war zones.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Well, that would not be a boring job.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
WHOA If we need somebody out of a very very
dangerous place, Brian and his company, they go get him.
And he was in charge of linking up with Ms
Maschado and her couple of people who are in country
who are smuggling her out. And we'd mentioned to you
(32:48):
that she and her small crew were going bad out
of Hell style across the Caribbean Sea during heavy winds
and high seas.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I don't know if I'm going out in a boat
on the sea off of Ven's Way. I just don't
know if that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Well, they'd called our military, they had, you know, Brian
and company were coordinating all this and said, hey, if
you see a red boat going real fast, it's your girl, Maria.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Please don't be blasting it.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
But anyway, so evidently the sea was so violent their
GPS transmitter got bucked overboard, but they.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Had a backup, but the backup.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Didn't more so, can you imagine, so Operation Golden Dynamite
reference to Alfred Nobel, Swedish chemist invented dynamite.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Eta was looking very, very bad.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
She failed to come to the liaison point, and Brian Stern,
the guy we're talking about, and others were.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Like, oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
And they had to find her out in the ocean.
Now it's not the Pacific Ocean, but it's it's a
big enough area. And they finally did find her, floating around,
not sure where they were and where to go, but
it took hours.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Wow, glad she didn't die out there. So, uh, this
is so interesting. Do we have a minute.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah, Extracting Mashada would entail moving an instantly recognizable person,
Venezuela's iconic opposition later who was in hiding? Uh just
when everyone expects her to be on the move, everyone
knows her face, turn said, moving Maria's like moving Hillary Clinton.
They planned at least nine possible scenarios, from air or
(34:32):
helicopter rescues to taking her out through Guiana or Colombia.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I have a front loader.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Wo.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Wow? Is that a shot at h'll wow?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Anyway, Stern said his team planted false rumors to keep
the world looking for her in the wrong places. Some
tales put her in Europe, others in a car headed
for Colombia. Another that she had sneaked out of the
country aboard a US flight that had dropped off deporties
from Venezuela. So part of this guy's gig is intelligence
and counter intelligence to lay the groundwork for what they
(35:05):
do inside and outside Venezuela. People were falling closely debated
whether the Maduro regime had infiltrating her movement, was letting
her leave or not. Bobba Stern says, no, we didn't
get any help from the Venezuelans whatsoever. So she left
her heide out in a wig and a disguise, made
her way through ten military checkpoints and.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Onto the sea.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
While she was in a disguise with a wig, went
through ten military checkpoints that had to be nerve wracking.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
So you got the guys at the beach. She finally
gets there and they say, yeah, good news is we're
here with the boat. Bad news is we got some
pretty serious mechanical issues. They had chosen intentionally run down
fishing boat, so it just didn't look like something anybody
would ever use for that sort of thing. Well, for
good reason. Fixing the engine problem caused a twelve dout
(35:59):
hour delay. They left as the sun was setting instead
of one it was rising. Once at sea, the open
boat face waves up to ten feet that led one
of the crew members to vomit overboard for much of
the journey. Oh heck, I've been on whale watches where
people vomited over the railing most of the journey anyway,
So it ended up being a hairy, hairy operation. But
(36:20):
they finally got her.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
I am surprised that it was that precarious for her.
I just said, God, Maduro would be making such a
bad political move if he were to arrest her. Certainly
if he was to harmer or kill her. God, the
condemnation that would come down on him. I mean, he's
already in a bad situation. She would be a n
(36:45):
a Volney like character if she got arrested.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Well, you saw what happened with him. He ended up dead.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, and Putin's fine. That's actually an interesting question. What
would the calculus be within a totalitarian system like theirs?
If you know, they did dispatch her somehow. Anyway, She's okay,
made it to Euroupe.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
What a life to live, to be in the extraction business.
Oh my gosh, that would capture your full attention.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
You're rarely leaning back in your chair looking out the
window saying another day, same old crap.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Could I call him if I'm at a party and
I want to get out of a conversation. Does he
do stuff at that level? It'll cost you
Speaker 2 (37:27):
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