January 8, 2026 • 35 mins
Hour 1 of A&G features...
- The ICE shooting & coverage/reaction
- Katie Green's Headlines!
- The MN ICE shooting
- Mailbag!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Kaddy Armstrong and
and he arm drawn. Do we have to do this?
(00:31):
Checking the contracts, reading down paragraph fourteenth, Yes, Yes, yes
we do. I suggested during the morning meeting. Yes, we
actually plan this out and it still turns out this way.
Suggested during the morning meeting that maybe the show policy
be after a shooting, after a controversial shooting, we always
(00:52):
take two days off. I voted in favor of this,
but again, seems like a fall the contract could not
find any wiggle role live from studio ce YadA, YadA, yasaka.
Today we're under the tutelage of our general manager. I
rarely explained the general manager in Advanced Jack, but today
I'm going to I have coined a term. I believe
(01:14):
this is an original work by Joe Getty. Our general
manager is another roar shock shooting and no kidding. I
tweeted about that last night. Oh did you yeah? Oh
it's interesting you didn't see my tweet. I said, basically,
the same thing is, and I think there are lots
(01:34):
of people who sincerely believe this. Who it is on
its face clearly a murder. Or it's on its face
she tried to run over the guy. He did what
he was, he had no choice, And it's clearly, like
obviously true from first glance. And I think everybody's being
(01:57):
sincere about that, which I find alone, without getting into
immigration policy or politics or anything else, freaking fascinating, is
that the way we live, our whole lives, all of us,
including me, Do I see everything through the lens of
my prior beliefs or wishes so strongly that I'm incapable
(02:22):
of really seeing things truly. I guess it's the orwell
quote the hardest thing for someone to do is to
see what's right in front of one's face. I guess,
because we have so much built up this is what
I want to be true, our brain kicks in and
makes it true well to the extent that that's not
true of you or anyone else, That is the extent
(02:43):
to which you are a rational human being. So you think, well,
it's tough because one side is well, Jack, I didn't
say it was easy to get into the story. It's
going for good and condescending. I don't think it's clearly
anything I lean one direction, but I don't think it's
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clearly anything. So I'm amazed that everybody who immediately are
one hundred percent certain of something. All right, Well, I
will tell you that what the actual question is is
clear to me, and I have spent a great deal
of time researching the answer to it, and I will
bring that to you in a little bit. I am
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an odd duck, there is no doubt of that. Ask
anybody who knows me. I don't particularly enjoy rushing to
my prior attitude and just yelling about it. I really
want to know, Wow, this is an interesting case. What
does the law say, what does precedent say? What's the
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truth here? And that's going to be my approach and
help you sort it out. It's not one clearly one
or the other. I will tell you that there is
a one specific point of law that is at question here,
and it's an interesting one. But you know, this is
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why I'm not invited to the cool people parties, because
most people just want to shout what they believed coming in.
That's fine, it's fine. So that's probably happier than I am. Friends, Well,
although I'm pretty happy, honestly, it's definitely fine. For the
average human being, but we've we have none. It's fine
for the governor or, for the mayor of Minneapolis, by
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the way, to spout off like a freaking adolescent. Well
that's what I was gonna say. We got no grown ups.
There are just no grown ups anymore who feel like
whether it's Christinome who immediately went to conclusions also, and
Trump went to conclusions, and the mayor went to conclusions,
and Walls went to conclusions. And the media, Oh my god,
(04:52):
ABC Evening News led basically what David Muir said, a
cop murdered a woman today. We'll show you the video.
I mean, MSNBC did everything but hand out antion for
the coming revolution. But there's nobody watches that, so it's
not that important. But the media, again, it's not good.
I don't like it, but I'm amazed there are no
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grown ups in government. The I I used to bother
me when something exciting would happen and a mayor or
a president or a senator or whoever would step in
and say, it's an ongoing investigation. We're not gonna comment
on this time to be like, oh man, I'm all
worked up. What do you mean We're gonna wait, but
that's the way we used to do things. Everybody did
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it that way. Not gonna comment on this until we've
got all the information gathered. It's troubling, but we're not
blah blah blah. Nobody does that anymore. Nobody. Everybody's a
talk show host or a Twitter feed, right right, Yeah,
well said Another way to put it. And this is
the way I've been thinking about it, is that everybody,
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or a lot of people are so hung up on
intent and emotion and what people should have known and
just this is about the law and if for instance,
and I don't want to get into this, I in
the again pre show meeting, we decided we're really going
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to talk about it here because there's a lot to
be said. But people are really really leaning on things
that are completely irrelevant to the specific question of whether
the shooting was justified, and that's the way they see
the world and or it it's to them to a
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lot of people, you got to take the totality of
it and weigh the morality of it, and then come
down with was that a nice person or a mean person?
Was that a nice person or a mean person? Was
that person doing nice things? For the world, or it
was that person doing nasty things again good people of
the world, and that's how I'll decide the case. No,
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it comes down to some very specific legal questions. Now
if you want to make a bigger moral argument about
what the loss should be. It's pretty good at conversation
I have, but I don't know the whole thing. Frustrating.
Were they a mom or not, Whether the child will
be sad it's mommy is dead, don't enter into it.
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One interesting thing about this is it is obliterated the
news cycle and will probably through today, I hope not
longer than that to some extent. It depends on what
Trump says or Wall says or whatever. On how man
with the legs of this story? Man, what's going on
in Iran, in Venezuela and Russia and Ukraine. Huge stories
(07:50):
right right with giant on worldwide implications, maybe for decades
to come. Can't wait to talk about it. Yeah, we
should start the show officially, you know, before we that.
I have one more thing on Minnesota, because I know
we have a predominantly conservative listenership, and I have a
feeling I know the way most people are leaning on this,
and I will tell you this in our audience, in
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our audience, and but this is again, this is not
some sort of conclusion about legality or illegality. Here's a
suggestion for you as you live your life. Friends, same
suggestion I make to my kids, my friends, my beautiful spouse.
Don't take like ten steps down the road of something
horrible might happen, and then be shocked when something horrible happens.
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Yeah, and I've played
a lot of stupid games in my life, and in
many cases I got like, you know, third place prize
in the stupid prize, but never the big first prize
where you drown in the ocean drunk in the middle
of the night, or you know what I'm doing right,
(09:04):
But yeah, you're gonna play the brave revolutionary. Sometimes bad
things happen anyway, And can the Supreme Court finally decide
whether a sanctuary city is a thing that would be nice?
But anyways, more on that later we'll start to show Officially,
I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe Getty on this it is
how did I already get to be? Thursday, January the eighth,
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the year twenty twenty six, war, armstrong and getting and
we approve of this program. I think Trump may have
defunded the FCC. But let's start anyway at Mark.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
They are already trying to spin this as an action
of self defense. Having seen the video of myself, I
want to tell everybody directly that is bull This was
an agent recklessly using power that resulted in somebody dying.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
When you are an emotional adolescent and you need to
sit down and let the grown ups talk. Jacob fry
Frey of Minneapolis, the mayor, Well, there are multiple videos,
and I know when I saw one video that came
in later in the day, it looked slightly more this
direction than something else I saw. So now say so
on that was plenty. I saw the video and I've
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concluded a murder happened. God, we don't we need leaders
to be grown ups. I know it's more boring. I
know you don't get near as many clicks or donations
pouring into your fund immediately. You don't get on Fox
News or MSNBC as easily. But we need more grown ups.
There's an investigation going on, very troubled by what happened,
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et cetera, et cetera. You used to hear that sort
of thing. It's so long in the past, kind of
hardly even remember that happening. I know, we've got Katie's
headlines on the way with a lot going on, always
look forward to your texts four one, five, two nine
five KFTC. I guess I'm mostly troubled by the way
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we're all just so dug in. We we take in
information through a filter that gets us to where we
want to be, no matter what. People have always been
that way. There've always been fringes that are that way.
But the entire population of voters is that way now. Yeah,
(11:22):
And the pros in the business would tell you, dudes,
that's where the money is. It's where the clicks are,
that's where the donations are, that's where the votes are.
So cling to your silly little rationality if you want.
It's very very cute, but you're wasting your time. Nice.
(11:45):
We got more swimming against the tide, like a board
salmon that swims A dull salmon swim against the tide,
don't they kind of scream? I think when they're trying
to get another metaphor. I don't know that much about
salmon other than they're good We'll get into the video
and all that sort of stuff later, all right, Sam
(12:07):
and rushdie real soon. We will get into it. Katie
enjoy that. All right, let's begin officially now, I'm sorry, no,
that was the last segment. Let's figure out who's reporting
what it's the lead story with Katie Green Katie Oh.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Well, of course, most of the major outlets are covering
the Minneapolis situation. So three of those, starting with ABC
quote a state of terror and fear. Eyewitnesses share her
their accounts of the fatal shooting in Minneapolis. NBC woman
fatally shot by ice agent identified as a resident who
(12:39):
was quote out caring for her neighbors, and the Washington Pope.
Woman killed by ice in Minneapolis was a mother of
three and a poet.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Mother of three. The fact that she was a poet
factors in okass a poet.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
We lost a poet, and some of her poetry is nuts.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Well, I don't. I wish she weren't dead, all right,
So I'm not. I don't. That's not good. It's not
good that she's dead. But the fact that she was
a poet or a mom of zero or eight doesn't
have anything to do with what was the Who's had
the headline though about the she was out trying to
help neighbors. That was NBC wow okay, a national broadcasting company.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
From the New York Times.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
She was out trying to block enforcement actions by ice
all day, all day long. They knew lead the vehicle,
and they knew who she was. She had spent the
entire day trying to get in their way, harassing them
and trying to get in their way. Play stupid games,
win stupid prizes. Whether or not he should have shot
or not, that's a different question.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
From the New York Times, Trump says US oversight of
Venezuela could last four years.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, so Trump's interview. Trump's probably unhappy about this. Trump
did a two hour sit down interview with the New
York Times yesterday, and it's getting obliterated by the Minnesota shooting.
But we'll get into some of the things he said,
including that for how long will were he run Venezuela?
Two years? A couple two tree depends the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Trump moves to ban big investors from buying single family homes.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, this is a controversial one. I want to talk
about this later. I know it's it's devastated the town
I live in, Bloomberg.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Billionaires are ramping up their California exits after threat.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Of wealth tax. Yeah. Yeah, five percent tax on the
your two rich.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah. Europe has tried this and it is completely discredited.
It's a terrible policy and counterproductive. But that doesn't matter
to social life. You end up with the Rolling Stones
moving to France, for instance. When you do this right
right from.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
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pile the pounds back on in under two years.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me that if you take that stuff,
you got to kind of just stay on it, like
a blood pressure medicine or something like that forever. But
it's gotten so cheap, that new one that's outs twenty
five dollars a month. With the Kope.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
From the New York Post, KFC worker allegedly stabbed multiple
times by customer who became upset about his gravy Gravyes.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Are serious, I know you're serious about gravy jack.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
From study fines. What is oat zempic and does.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It actually work for weight loss?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Okay, people are taking raw oats, blending them with water
and adding lemon juice, thinking it's going to keep them
fold as.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Long as they're steel cut. Whatever the hell that means.
Whatever you give me a luminum cut at me on
throwing it in your face.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And finally from the Babylon B White House announces over
one million new jobs were created in December, but they
were all filled by Marco Rubio.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
That is a funny meme if you're hip to that. Yeah,
little Marco who has like four official titles, and now
the hip thing is to put him in football uniforms
and the shaw of Iran outfit and say he's doing
all those jobs. Speaking of Iran, the protesters revolution, if
it might be actually be a revolution, they brought down
the biggest flag there in Tehran. That's not the sort
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of thing you usually can pull off with the Iyahtola's
goons there. So who knows where this is going. That's
a big story. So the other headline, the US trade
deficit shrank in October to the lowest level since two
thousand and nine. That's a terriff thing for better or worse. Yeah,
that's a complicated discussion too. Speaking of subtleties that most
(17:11):
people ignore. Let's get into the subtleties of the shooting
among other things on the way. So statement.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Armstrong and Getty, it was an active domestic terrorism. What
happened was our ICE officers were out in an enforcement action.
They got stuck in the snow because of the adverse
weather that is in Minneapolis. They were attempting to push
out their vehicle and a woman attacked them and those
surrounding them and attempted to run them over and ram
them with her vehicle.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
That's Christy Nome and her cowboy hat, the DHS secretary
after mishive domestic terrorism says the secretary of the Department
of Homeland Security. The mayor of Minneapolis has a differing
different opinion.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
They are already trying to spin this as an action
of self defense. Having seen the video of myself, I
want to tell everybody directly that is bullsh This was
an agent recklessly using power that resulted in somebody dying.
(18:15):
There's little I can say again that'll make this situation better.
But I do have a message for our community, for
a city, and I have a message for ICE.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Two.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Ice get the fuck out of Minneapolis.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Am I wrong that in the olden times. The DHF
secretary that soon after an incident like that would have
just said, I'm not gonna comment. It's an ongoing investigation.
A loss of life is always troubling, but we're going
to take a look at this, and you know, very
carefully right, that'd be it correct? Yeah, And the mayor
would say something similar, yeah, yeah, or maybe hint at
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the direction they were lading, but they would be an
adult about it, certainly. Mark Alpern wrote and spits in
with kind of our vibe today, good luck finding one
Trump voter who thinks it was murder or one Trump
opponent who believes the ice officer acted in self defense,
which is messed up. I agree. Media reports that the
videos are this is the part that's a little confusing
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to me. Media reports that the videos are inconclusive about
whether her car hit the officer are absurd, however, well,
which gets the problem with may Or Fry watching one
video and saying, or Fray, I guess you pronounced it.
I don't know. I learned to pronounce your own name
having seen one video. There are multiple videos, and they
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give you a different point of view, and the one
video that I've seen she unquestionably hits them not once
but twice with the front corner of her car and
then catches them with the rearview mirror. So I don't know.
You know, these videos came to me through Twitter, so
I don't know when they were available to the mayor
or the DHS secretary, failing probably roughly the same timeline,
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because this stuff got out pretty fast. The first video
we saw on the day, I couldn't tell what the
hell happened troupe. I was only focusing on the guy
at the window. I didn't even know there was someone
in front of the car in the first video, which
I think is the one that everybody was commenting on,
right off the bat, you didn't even know there was
anybody in front of the car. Then when I saw
the other angles where there, oh, there's a guy in
front of the car, well that it looked completely different, right, Yeah,
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and again there is There are multiple videos and one
I've just seen recently. Again, you can see very clearly
the jolt to the officer as he's caught by the
car in the ways I just described. Also, now, this
is not a conclusion. We are not leaping to conclusions.
Stay with us we'll explain why and how we ought
to come to a conclusion in a minute. Once you're
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in that situation, who knows what was in her head
at the time. Once you're in that situation, which I
wouldn't get myself into, and I don't suggest you do
it either, But once you're in that situation and the
guy's happening on your door handle and people are shouting,
and she was probably looking at the window and hit
the gas and doesn't even know there was somebody in
for her. Who knows, right, as opposed to intentionally trying
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to run over the guy? Who knows? At that point,
I don't right, We don't know. And that's a great point.
Some of the reactions online, as you might guess, are well,
I have coined the term, or unless you did last
night rorshock shooting, it's just like Michael Brown and a
dozen other ones. Just people immediately rushed to their prior attitudes,
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which is fine. Let's see this is Dion who he says,
folks are going to keep this real simple. If you
park in the middle of the street in block law
enforcement they have the right to detain you for an infraction.
It's done on purpose, it's a crime. If they're legally
detaining you and you try to get away, you have
now committed a crime. Phenosopher's officers in front of your vehicle.
You drive forward, Well, he's here in front of you.
It can be considered a clear hostile act and assault
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with deadly weapon because the vehicle has the potential blah
blah blah, which can lead to a law enforcement officer
using deadly force to prevent you from hitting him or
potentially killing anyone else. If you don't want that to
happen for you, for your safety and the safety off
the officers, don't do that. Then this She was protesting
with her vehicle and then hit officer with vehicle. She
is a moron and now she is dead. I don't
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know how helpful that is. Then you have this. She
was sitting in her car allowing others to go by
harming nobody, waved to the officers for their car to
go buy two instead, masked officers drove up, started cursing
at her. The officers escalated, escalated in the first place,
Why and then one final one? Oh, this is provocative, friends,
(22:36):
it's kind off the topic. But I thought, hmm, if
the Capitol police had abided by the standards of MAGA
commentators on the Minneapolis ice shooting, half of the January
sixth protesters would have been shot to death. Oh that's
a good one. That is provocative. What if the lady
in question had been beating the ice officers with a flagpole?
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What then, folks? You get consistency here. I know there's
not a lot of that these days. That's a good one. Yeah, anyway,
it decides nothing about this case, of course, no, but
that is that is good. The free press, with a
great article has often saying, uh, a lot of the
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definite of the things we've already said, then says the
task of sorting through and weighing ambiguous evidence belongs to police, investigators,
government commissions, judges, and jurors. Each step of the process
requires time and deliberation. While the investigations progress, selected officials
and agency heads are expected to comment only on what's
known for certain, while reassuring the public in mourning the dead. Unfortunately,
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too many politicians and senior bureaucrats have decided they must
react every tragedy according to the speed and logic of
the Internet, which goes them to offer the most partisan take.
They can muster as quickly as possible lest the other
side's narratives sway the public. First, they spread falsehoods and
baseless conclusions with no apparent remarks, right sees. That's the
whole race to the bottom thing that I'm always talking
about that I don't know how we break out of
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because we are in an environment where, if you go
with the grown up, it just happened. Loss of life
is always troubling. But there's an investigation going on. I've
only seen a video briefly. We're gonna take a long
look at it. If you do that and the other
side goes with it was murder and gets everybody all
(24:24):
whipped up, you're in a bad shape politically already, or
the reverse. So that's the race to the bottom. You
think the other side's gonna immediately brand it something, so
you've got to. Yeah, Mayor Freyfryes said the ugly tone
in the now famous conference. I have a message or Ice,
get the f out of Minneapolis. We do not want
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you here. Blah blah blah. I would like to stop
them right there. All right, So we have federal law,
we have federal law enforcement. We have people in violation
of federal law, and the federal law enforcement is trying
to enforce the federal law. Why would they get the
f out of Minneapolis. Why exactly to the law, not
according to your feelings, according to the law. Well, they're
a sanctuary city. They don't believe that that exists. And
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then you got Christinome covering herself in glory, who in
her early press conference at LISTA they got stuck in
the snow because the ad adverse weather. As we heard,
they were attempting to push out their vehicle and the
woman attacked them. All right, that's so just not helpful.
No details, Yeah, I know. Oh that's rough. Okay, here's
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the situation. If you want to take an overall moral
view of the situation, whether this woman was a stupid,
self righteous lefty who is playing the brave revolutionary and
in that adolescent way of so many people on the left,
not knowing that she was doing something very serious. And
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then when things having pushed it and pushed it and
pushed it, when things went south, everybody's like, oh my god.
The cruel cops, the cruel cops, including some people we
like in respect. You know, you've got a good point.
There's a good way. I didn't get shot by ICE
yesterday for a very good reason. Not only did I
not do what she did, I wouldn't do what she did.
There are a hundred things she could have done to
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protest ICE and its policies and the law and its procedures,
and not done what she did. On the other hand,
the cop could have, having been hit, jumped out of
the way and let her drive away. They could have
caught her later. That's true too. So what question are
we trying to answer here? I don't know what question
are you trying to answer here? Was the ICE officer
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legally in the right to shoot the woman? That's a
different question than the whole scenario as it unfolded. Who
was being moral and who was being immoral? And the
problem is, and again I thought we used to have
a grip on this as a society. The question is
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those can be two very different questions with two very
different answers. Well, I think at the root of most
of the stuff is you would look at it like
she got killed because Trump is out of control. Ice
(27:24):
is out of control, and this hole trying to kick
out the illegals thing is wrong, and they're Nazis and
they're Nazis, or we got to kick out all the illegals.
We shouldn't let so many illegals in. Ice has got
to do its job, so it's justified. So it doesn't
even get down to the particulars of the moment that
ten second period. It's just do you agree with the
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policy or not? Yeah? Yeah, So I'm looking at the
clock and trying to praise the interest of anybody, including
you folks, in the actual legal quest uestion in front
of us. Does anybody have any interest in that? There
are some people, That's what I said. That's my point. Really,
(28:06):
I just yeah, I'm not sure they do. It's handy
to pretend you do. But what you're really saying is
you don't like Trump's policy at all. Right, right, But
how about folks on the conservative side of the issue,
generally speaking, Yeah, generally speaking, who are in support of
the shooting. I would say that if you think it's
impossible for cops to do something wrong, you're you're nuts.
(28:32):
And if you think the cops are always wrong in
these shootings, you're nuts. Yeah, I would agree. Yeah, And
there's those of you who think cops can never do
anything wrong. You don't know any cops. They'll tell you, yes, yeah,
we do. One of the problems is there's a difference
between making a mistake in the blink of an eye
of decision making. There's a difference between making a mistake
and something it's like malicious. And that's the tough part
(28:55):
of being a comp all right. Well, given the lack
of interest in the actual law here and whether the
shooting was actually justified, I probably spent more time than
I should have in researching the actual law, specifically in Minnesota,
that deals with all of this stuff. I will tell
you this, driving your car at an officer in a
way that could hurt or kill them is absolutely assault
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with a deadly weapon against the peace officer. The penalties
are rather severe. It is unquestionably use of deadly force.
But I saw that, I saw that portrayed in one
of the lefty news outlets yesterday as like rolling their eyes,
like courts have determined that using your car, driving your
car forward with an officer in front of you is
assault with a deadly weapon. Like that's just nuts to
(29:40):
make that what what? How was a car not a
deadly weapon? Yeah? Wow? Okay, So then you get into
the law governing the police use a deadly force in Minnesota,
and I don't know exactly how that intersects with federal
law since it was federal law enforcements on a federal mission.
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But here's the key point. A peace officer may use
deadly force only when necessary to protect the officer or
another person from imminent death or great bodily harm. Or
and here's the key part, to arrest or prevent the
escape of a person the officer reasonably believes has committed
or attempted a felony involving deadly force, and the officer
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reasonably believes the person will cause death or great bodily
harm if not immediately apprehended. That's what needs to be
looked at and adjudicated and thought about carefully. A friend
of the show who is in law enforcement and who
has friends in ice, texted me last night where I
was going to bed about the multiple crimes she had
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committed throughout the day. If you're going to be technical
about it before you even get to the card there,
and that's so maybe we can talk about that a
little bit later. We got mail bag on the way
and lots of stuff to talk about holy crap, we
might have fifty dollars a barrel oil as far as
the eye can see now that we've taken Venezuela. Based
(31:06):
on a couple of news reports out today and Trump's
plans over the next couple of years, that'd be something gas.
It would be great and terrible. Guess will be pretty
cheap except for in California. Not good for the electric
car industry. Those are all kinds of interesting ripples from this.
Oh yeah, not good for anybody in the energy industry.
And there's a hell of a lot of people like that. Anyway,
(31:28):
more on that to come. Here's your freedom hating quote
of today, sort of kind of, I'm departing from the theme.
It's a great quote from Friedrich Hayek about to term
social justice, which he believed was a piece of deceptive
news speak straight out of orwell used to advance large
scale injustice. Sounds like of justice. Seems like it to
(31:50):
me in most cases. Oh yeah, one hundred percent. And
here's what Hayak said, social justice does not belong to
the category of error that phrase, but to that out
of nonsense, like the term moral stone. It's nonsense. The
term moral justice or a social justice. There's either justice
(32:12):
or injustice. Social justice is Marxism. Mail bag, that's a
good point. Drop us a note mail bag at Armstrong
in giddy dot com. Is the email address? What's again?
Mail bag at Armstrong in giddy dot com. This is
a reference to our three segment one of yesterday's show.
Is that right or is it our Ford? It was
(32:33):
at the nine o'clock hour we discussed that fascinating old
timey bar entertainment in New Orleans our four segment one,
Thank you Katie. This is on the topic of whether
Britgee McCrone is a man or not. I think they
should have Brigitque macron do a Hamdkick live on the television.
(32:53):
That's all I have, Tyler, PS, great show, PS, great email.
Tyler learned about a bar in New Orleans who used
to have something called the ham Kick. That's who it
was famous for. You gotta listen to yesterday's show, January
seventh hour four. Okay, Armstrong, You Getty on demand is
the podcast. You can get it anytime you want, Yatta
subscribe to Moving on another Jay in San Jose writes, Guys,
(33:15):
I'm beginning to warm to Trump's hemisphere doctrine because it's
really back to basic strategy Historically speaking, our hemisphere has
every natural resource we need, big oceans as motes, no
rare earth problems we just need to mine our own,
no oil problem, no agricultural deficits. The US is already
very wealthy, and we carry the biggest stick if you
could pick one. This is the better hemisphere for many reasons.
We value freedom. There are many countries that are lucky
(33:37):
to be living in our sphere of influence. Trump is
chasing the rats out of Rome and clearly drawing lines
about who's in charge on this side of the rock.
That's why he's about right about Greenland. Also not because
of rats. It's there to protect the flank an old
timey self interest following I tend to agree we can
discuss more later. Slow news day hunt. Does anybody care
(33:58):
about protesters anymore? Tim Watson's people want to burn their
city down? Who are we'd argue with that? Can't say
whether the shooting's justifight or not. Don't have all the facts,
and I don't know the law concerning the use deadly
fourth for us. These people don't want facts. They hate
Trump and ice fu and your facts. Can we talk
about Iran, somemore, Yes, and we will talk about Iran
and the shooting next hour. But I want to use
(34:19):
that to set this up. Katie in La says, guys,
I can tell you that the Iranian community in La,
around the world is on pins and needles, hoping that
the Iyatolas are next on Trump's list, praying that Trump
will do the same thing to them as he did
to Meduro. Yes, you heard me, ignorant lefties. We want
the US to come in and save our country from
the clutches of evil dictators. I don't think we're probably
(34:42):
gonna do that a rendition of the Iyahtola, but he
may fall just at the hands of his own people. Finally,
this from Eric red Dye number forty Smith in a
story of Oregon. Dear guys, I must object to your
continued jeremiad's excellent use of the term against so called
ultra processed foods A poorly he defines unscientific category of
(35:02):
yummy eats that are unfairly maligned for shame. Take the
humble cheeto, derived from a wartime effort in nineteen forty
three to dehydrate Wisconsin cheese so we could send tasty
snacks to our boys fighting Tojo and Hitler, is he
claiming the Cheeto's good for you? Is it good for you?
Or is it okay for you? He's claiming its American
chat Armstrong and Getdy
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Kaddy Armstrong and
and he arm drawn. Do we have to do this?
(00:31):
Checking the contracts, reading down paragraph fourteenth, Yes, Yes, yes
we do. I suggested during the morning meeting. Yes, we
actually plan this out and it still turns out this way.
Suggested during the morning meeting that maybe the show policy
be after a shooting, after a controversial shooting, we always
(00:52):
take two days off. I voted in favor of this,
but again, seems like a fall the contract could not
find any wiggle role live from studio ce YadA, YadA, yasaka.
Today we're under the tutelage of our general manager. I
rarely explained the general manager in Advanced Jack, but today
I'm going to I have coined a term. I believe
(01:14):
this is an original work by Joe Getty. Our general
manager is another roar shock shooting and no kidding. I
tweeted about that last night. Oh did you yeah? Oh
it's interesting you didn't see my tweet. I said, basically,
the same thing is, and I think there are lots
(01:34):
of people who sincerely believe this. Who it is on
its face clearly a murder. Or it's on its face
she tried to run over the guy. He did what
he was, he had no choice, And it's clearly, like
obviously true from first glance. And I think everybody's being
(01:57):
sincere about that, which I find alone, without getting into
immigration policy or politics or anything else, freaking fascinating, is
that the way we live, our whole lives, all of us,
including me, Do I see everything through the lens of
my prior beliefs or wishes so strongly that I'm incapable
(02:22):
of really seeing things truly. I guess it's the orwell
quote the hardest thing for someone to do is to
see what's right in front of one's face. I guess,
because we have so much built up this is what
I want to be true, our brain kicks in and
makes it true well to the extent that that's not
true of you or anyone else, That is the extent
(02:43):
to which you are a rational human being. So you think, well,
it's tough because one side is well, Jack, I didn't
say it was easy to get into the story. It's
going for good and condescending. I don't think it's clearly
anything I lean one direction, but I don't think it's
(03:03):
clearly anything. So I'm amazed that everybody who immediately are
one hundred percent certain of something. All right, Well, I
will tell you that what the actual question is is
clear to me, and I have spent a great deal
of time researching the answer to it, and I will
bring that to you in a little bit. I am
(03:24):
an odd duck, there is no doubt of that. Ask
anybody who knows me. I don't particularly enjoy rushing to
my prior attitude and just yelling about it. I really
want to know, Wow, this is an interesting case. What
does the law say, what does precedent say? What's the
(03:45):
truth here? And that's going to be my approach and
help you sort it out. It's not one clearly one
or the other. I will tell you that there is
a one specific point of law that is at question here,
and it's an interesting one. But you know, this is
(04:07):
why I'm not invited to the cool people parties, because
most people just want to shout what they believed coming in.
That's fine, it's fine. So that's probably happier than I am. Friends, Well,
although I'm pretty happy, honestly, it's definitely fine. For the
average human being, but we've we have none. It's fine
for the governor or, for the mayor of Minneapolis, by
(04:29):
the way, to spout off like a freaking adolescent. Well
that's what I was gonna say. We got no grown ups.
There are just no grown ups anymore who feel like
whether it's Christinome who immediately went to conclusions also, and
Trump went to conclusions, and the mayor went to conclusions,
and Walls went to conclusions. And the media, Oh my god,
(04:52):
ABC Evening News led basically what David Muir said, a
cop murdered a woman today. We'll show you the video.
I mean, MSNBC did everything but hand out antion for
the coming revolution. But there's nobody watches that, so it's
not that important. But the media, again, it's not good.
I don't like it, but I'm amazed there are no
(05:13):
grown ups in government. The I I used to bother
me when something exciting would happen and a mayor or
a president or a senator or whoever would step in
and say, it's an ongoing investigation. We're not gonna comment
on this time to be like, oh man, I'm all
worked up. What do you mean We're gonna wait, but
that's the way we used to do things. Everybody did
(05:34):
it that way. Not gonna comment on this until we've
got all the information gathered. It's troubling, but we're not
blah blah blah. Nobody does that anymore. Nobody. Everybody's a
talk show host or a Twitter feed, right right, Yeah,
well said Another way to put it. And this is
the way I've been thinking about it, is that everybody,
(06:00):
or a lot of people are so hung up on
intent and emotion and what people should have known and
just this is about the law and if for instance,
and I don't want to get into this, I in
the again pre show meeting, we decided we're really going
(06:20):
to talk about it here because there's a lot to
be said. But people are really really leaning on things
that are completely irrelevant to the specific question of whether
the shooting was justified, and that's the way they see
the world and or it it's to them to a
(06:42):
lot of people, you got to take the totality of
it and weigh the morality of it, and then come
down with was that a nice person or a mean person?
Was that a nice person or a mean person? Was
that person doing nice things? For the world, or it
was that person doing nasty things again good people of
the world, and that's how I'll decide the case. No,
(07:04):
it comes down to some very specific legal questions. Now
if you want to make a bigger moral argument about
what the loss should be. It's pretty good at conversation
I have, but I don't know the whole thing. Frustrating.
Were they a mom or not, Whether the child will
be sad it's mommy is dead, don't enter into it.
(07:27):
One interesting thing about this is it is obliterated the
news cycle and will probably through today, I hope not
longer than that to some extent. It depends on what
Trump says or Wall says or whatever. On how man
with the legs of this story? Man, what's going on
in Iran, in Venezuela and Russia and Ukraine. Huge stories
(07:50):
right right with giant on worldwide implications, maybe for decades
to come. Can't wait to talk about it. Yeah, we
should start the show officially, you know, before we that.
I have one more thing on Minnesota, because I know
we have a predominantly conservative listenership, and I have a
feeling I know the way most people are leaning on this,
and I will tell you this in our audience, in
(08:12):
our audience, and but this is again, this is not
some sort of conclusion about legality or illegality. Here's a
suggestion for you as you live your life. Friends, same
suggestion I make to my kids, my friends, my beautiful spouse.
Don't take like ten steps down the road of something
horrible might happen, and then be shocked when something horrible happens.
(08:39):
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Yeah, and I've played
a lot of stupid games in my life, and in
many cases I got like, you know, third place prize
in the stupid prize, but never the big first prize
where you drown in the ocean drunk in the middle
of the night, or you know what I'm doing right,
(09:04):
But yeah, you're gonna play the brave revolutionary. Sometimes bad
things happen anyway, And can the Supreme Court finally decide
whether a sanctuary city is a thing that would be nice?
But anyways, more on that later we'll start to show Officially,
I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe Getty on this it is
how did I already get to be? Thursday, January the eighth,
(09:27):
the year twenty twenty six, war, armstrong and getting and
we approve of this program. I think Trump may have
defunded the FCC. But let's start anyway at Mark.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
They are already trying to spin this as an action
of self defense. Having seen the video of myself, I
want to tell everybody directly that is bull This was
an agent recklessly using power that resulted in somebody dying.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
When you are an emotional adolescent and you need to
sit down and let the grown ups talk. Jacob fry
Frey of Minneapolis, the mayor, Well, there are multiple videos,
and I know when I saw one video that came
in later in the day, it looked slightly more this
direction than something else I saw. So now say so
on that was plenty. I saw the video and I've
(10:19):
concluded a murder happened. God, we don't we need leaders
to be grown ups. I know it's more boring. I
know you don't get near as many clicks or donations
pouring into your fund immediately. You don't get on Fox
News or MSNBC as easily. But we need more grown ups.
There's an investigation going on, very troubled by what happened,
(10:41):
et cetera, et cetera. You used to hear that sort
of thing. It's so long in the past, kind of
hardly even remember that happening. I know, we've got Katie's
headlines on the way with a lot going on, always
look forward to your texts four one, five, two nine
five KFTC. I guess I'm mostly troubled by the way
(11:02):
we're all just so dug in. We we take in
information through a filter that gets us to where we
want to be, no matter what. People have always been
that way. There've always been fringes that are that way.
But the entire population of voters is that way now. Yeah,
(11:22):
And the pros in the business would tell you, dudes,
that's where the money is. It's where the clicks are,
that's where the donations are, that's where the votes are.
So cling to your silly little rationality if you want.
It's very very cute, but you're wasting your time. Nice.
(11:45):
We got more swimming against the tide, like a board
salmon that swims A dull salmon swim against the tide,
don't they kind of scream? I think when they're trying
to get another metaphor. I don't know that much about
salmon other than they're good We'll get into the video
and all that sort of stuff later, all right, Sam
(12:07):
and rushdie real soon. We will get into it. Katie
enjoy that. All right, let's begin officially now, I'm sorry, no,
that was the last segment. Let's figure out who's reporting
what it's the lead story with Katie Green Katie Oh.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Well, of course, most of the major outlets are covering
the Minneapolis situation. So three of those, starting with ABC
quote a state of terror and fear. Eyewitnesses share her
their accounts of the fatal shooting in Minneapolis. NBC woman
fatally shot by ice agent identified as a resident who
(12:39):
was quote out caring for her neighbors, and the Washington Pope.
Woman killed by ice in Minneapolis was a mother of
three and a poet.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Mother of three. The fact that she was a poet
factors in okass a poet.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
We lost a poet, and some of her poetry is nuts.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Well, I don't. I wish she weren't dead, all right,
So I'm not. I don't. That's not good. It's not
good that she's dead. But the fact that she was
a poet or a mom of zero or eight doesn't
have anything to do with what was the Who's had
the headline though about the she was out trying to
help neighbors. That was NBC wow okay, a national broadcasting company.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
From the New York Times.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
She was out trying to block enforcement actions by ice
all day, all day long. They knew lead the vehicle,
and they knew who she was. She had spent the
entire day trying to get in their way, harassing them
and trying to get in their way. Play stupid games,
win stupid prizes. Whether or not he should have shot
or not, that's a different question.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
From the New York Times, Trump says US oversight of
Venezuela could last four years.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, so Trump's interview. Trump's probably unhappy about this. Trump
did a two hour sit down interview with the New
York Times yesterday, and it's getting obliterated by the Minnesota shooting.
But we'll get into some of the things he said,
including that for how long will were he run Venezuela?
Two years? A couple two tree depends the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Trump moves to ban big investors from buying single family homes.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, this is a controversial one. I want to talk
about this later. I know it's it's devastated the town
I live in, Bloomberg.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Billionaires are ramping up their California exits after threat.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Of wealth tax. Yeah. Yeah, five percent tax on the
your two rich.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah. Europe has tried this and it is completely discredited.
It's a terrible policy and counterproductive. But that doesn't matter
to social life. You end up with the Rolling Stones
moving to France, for instance. When you do this right
right from.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
The Daily Mail, take the fat jabs for life experts
rule as study reveals users coming off of the drugs
pile the pounds back on in under two years.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me that if you take that stuff,
you got to kind of just stay on it, like
a blood pressure medicine or something like that forever. But
it's gotten so cheap, that new one that's outs twenty
five dollars a month. With the Kope.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
From the New York Post, KFC worker allegedly stabbed multiple
times by customer who became upset about his gravy Gravyes.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Are serious, I know you're serious about gravy jack.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
From study fines. What is oat zempic and does.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It actually work for weight loss?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Okay, people are taking raw oats, blending them with water
and adding lemon juice, thinking it's going to keep them
fold as.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Long as they're steel cut. Whatever the hell that means.
Whatever you give me a luminum cut at me on
throwing it in your face.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And finally from the Babylon B White House announces over
one million new jobs were created in December, but they
were all filled by Marco Rubio.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
That is a funny meme if you're hip to that. Yeah,
little Marco who has like four official titles, and now
the hip thing is to put him in football uniforms
and the shaw of Iran outfit and say he's doing
all those jobs. Speaking of Iran, the protesters revolution, if
it might be actually be a revolution, they brought down
the biggest flag there in Tehran. That's not the sort
(16:51):
of thing you usually can pull off with the Iyahtola's
goons there. So who knows where this is going. That's
a big story. So the other headline, the US trade
deficit shrank in October to the lowest level since two
thousand and nine. That's a terriff thing for better or worse. Yeah,
that's a complicated discussion too. Speaking of subtleties that most
(17:11):
people ignore. Let's get into the subtleties of the shooting
among other things on the way. So statement.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Armstrong and Getty, it was an active domestic terrorism. What
happened was our ICE officers were out in an enforcement action.
They got stuck in the snow because of the adverse
weather that is in Minneapolis. They were attempting to push
out their vehicle and a woman attacked them and those
surrounding them and attempted to run them over and ram
them with her vehicle.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
That's Christy Nome and her cowboy hat, the DHS secretary
after mishive domestic terrorism says the secretary of the Department
of Homeland Security. The mayor of Minneapolis has a differing
different opinion.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
They are already trying to spin this as an action
of self defense. Having seen the video of myself, I
want to tell everybody directly that is bullsh This was
an agent recklessly using power that resulted in somebody dying.
(18:15):
There's little I can say again that'll make this situation better.
But I do have a message for our community, for
a city, and I have a message for ICE.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Two.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Ice get the fuck out of Minneapolis.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Am I wrong that in the olden times. The DHF
secretary that soon after an incident like that would have
just said, I'm not gonna comment. It's an ongoing investigation.
A loss of life is always troubling, but we're going
to take a look at this, and you know, very
carefully right, that'd be it correct? Yeah, And the mayor
would say something similar, yeah, yeah, or maybe hint at
(18:54):
the direction they were lading, but they would be an
adult about it, certainly. Mark Alpern wrote and spits in
with kind of our vibe today, good luck finding one
Trump voter who thinks it was murder or one Trump
opponent who believes the ice officer acted in self defense,
which is messed up. I agree. Media reports that the
videos are this is the part that's a little confusing
(19:16):
to me. Media reports that the videos are inconclusive about
whether her car hit the officer are absurd, however, well,
which gets the problem with may Or Fry watching one
video and saying, or Fray, I guess you pronounced it.
I don't know. I learned to pronounce your own name
having seen one video. There are multiple videos, and they
(19:38):
give you a different point of view, and the one
video that I've seen she unquestionably hits them not once
but twice with the front corner of her car and
then catches them with the rearview mirror. So I don't know.
You know, these videos came to me through Twitter, so
I don't know when they were available to the mayor
or the DHS secretary, failing probably roughly the same timeline,
(20:02):
because this stuff got out pretty fast. The first video
we saw on the day, I couldn't tell what the
hell happened troupe. I was only focusing on the guy
at the window. I didn't even know there was someone
in front of the car in the first video, which
I think is the one that everybody was commenting on,
right off the bat, you didn't even know there was
anybody in front of the car. Then when I saw
the other angles where there, oh, there's a guy in
front of the car, well that it looked completely different, right, Yeah,
(20:27):
and again there is There are multiple videos and one
I've just seen recently. Again, you can see very clearly
the jolt to the officer as he's caught by the
car in the ways I just described. Also, now, this
is not a conclusion. We are not leaping to conclusions.
Stay with us we'll explain why and how we ought
to come to a conclusion in a minute. Once you're
(20:49):
in that situation, who knows what was in her head
at the time. Once you're in that situation, which I
wouldn't get myself into, and I don't suggest you do
it either, But once you're in that situation and the
guy's happening on your door handle and people are shouting,
and she was probably looking at the window and hit
the gas and doesn't even know there was somebody in
for her. Who knows, right, as opposed to intentionally trying
(21:09):
to run over the guy? Who knows? At that point,
I don't right, We don't know. And that's a great point.
Some of the reactions online, as you might guess, are well,
I have coined the term, or unless you did last
night rorshock shooting, it's just like Michael Brown and a
dozen other ones. Just people immediately rushed to their prior attitudes,
(21:31):
which is fine. Let's see this is Dion who he says,
folks are going to keep this real simple. If you
park in the middle of the street in block law
enforcement they have the right to detain you for an infraction.
It's done on purpose, it's a crime. If they're legally
detaining you and you try to get away, you have
now committed a crime. Phenosopher's officers in front of your vehicle.
You drive forward, Well, he's here in front of you.
It can be considered a clear hostile act and assault
(21:53):
with deadly weapon because the vehicle has the potential blah
blah blah, which can lead to a law enforcement officer
using deadly force to prevent you from hitting him or
potentially killing anyone else. If you don't want that to
happen for you, for your safety and the safety off
the officers, don't do that. Then this She was protesting
with her vehicle and then hit officer with vehicle. She
is a moron and now she is dead. I don't
(22:15):
know how helpful that is. Then you have this. She
was sitting in her car allowing others to go by
harming nobody, waved to the officers for their car to
go buy two instead, masked officers drove up, started cursing
at her. The officers escalated, escalated in the first place,
Why and then one final one? Oh, this is provocative, friends,
(22:36):
it's kind off the topic. But I thought, hmm, if
the Capitol police had abided by the standards of MAGA
commentators on the Minneapolis ice shooting, half of the January
sixth protesters would have been shot to death. Oh that's
a good one. That is provocative. What if the lady
in question had been beating the ice officers with a flagpole?
(23:00):
What then, folks? You get consistency here. I know there's
not a lot of that these days. That's a good one. Yeah, anyway,
it decides nothing about this case, of course, no, but
that is that is good. The free press, with a
great article has often saying, uh, a lot of the
(23:21):
definite of the things we've already said, then says the
task of sorting through and weighing ambiguous evidence belongs to police, investigators,
government commissions, judges, and jurors. Each step of the process
requires time and deliberation. While the investigations progress, selected officials
and agency heads are expected to comment only on what's
known for certain, while reassuring the public in mourning the dead. Unfortunately,
(23:42):
too many politicians and senior bureaucrats have decided they must
react every tragedy according to the speed and logic of
the Internet, which goes them to offer the most partisan take.
They can muster as quickly as possible lest the other
side's narratives sway the public. First, they spread falsehoods and
baseless conclusions with no apparent remarks, right sees. That's the
whole race to the bottom thing that I'm always talking
about that I don't know how we break out of
(24:03):
because we are in an environment where, if you go
with the grown up, it just happened. Loss of life
is always troubling. But there's an investigation going on. I've
only seen a video briefly. We're gonna take a long
look at it. If you do that and the other
side goes with it was murder and gets everybody all
(24:24):
whipped up, you're in a bad shape politically already, or
the reverse. So that's the race to the bottom. You
think the other side's gonna immediately brand it something, so
you've got to. Yeah, Mayor Freyfryes said the ugly tone
in the now famous conference. I have a message or Ice,
get the f out of Minneapolis. We do not want
(24:45):
you here. Blah blah blah. I would like to stop
them right there. All right, So we have federal law,
we have federal law enforcement. We have people in violation
of federal law, and the federal law enforcement is trying
to enforce the federal law. Why would they get the
f out of Minneapolis. Why exactly to the law, not
according to your feelings, according to the law. Well, they're
a sanctuary city. They don't believe that that exists. And
(25:08):
then you got Christinome covering herself in glory, who in
her early press conference at LISTA they got stuck in
the snow because the ad adverse weather. As we heard,
they were attempting to push out their vehicle and the
woman attacked them. All right, that's so just not helpful.
No details, Yeah, I know. Oh that's rough. Okay, here's
(25:31):
the situation. If you want to take an overall moral
view of the situation, whether this woman was a stupid,
self righteous lefty who is playing the brave revolutionary and
in that adolescent way of so many people on the left,
not knowing that she was doing something very serious. And
(25:54):
then when things having pushed it and pushed it and
pushed it, when things went south, everybody's like, oh my god.
The cruel cops, the cruel cops, including some people we
like in respect. You know, you've got a good point.
There's a good way. I didn't get shot by ICE
yesterday for a very good reason. Not only did I
not do what she did, I wouldn't do what she did.
There are a hundred things she could have done to
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protest ICE and its policies and the law and its procedures,
and not done what she did. On the other hand,
the cop could have, having been hit, jumped out of
the way and let her drive away. They could have
caught her later. That's true too. So what question are
we trying to answer here? I don't know what question
are you trying to answer here? Was the ICE officer
(26:42):
legally in the right to shoot the woman? That's a
different question than the whole scenario as it unfolded. Who
was being moral and who was being immoral? And the
problem is, and again I thought we used to have
a grip on this as a society. The question is
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those can be two very different questions with two very
different answers. Well, I think at the root of most
of the stuff is you would look at it like
she got killed because Trump is out of control. Ice
(27:24):
is out of control, and this hole trying to kick
out the illegals thing is wrong, and they're Nazis and
they're Nazis, or we got to kick out all the illegals.
We shouldn't let so many illegals in. Ice has got
to do its job, so it's justified. So it doesn't
even get down to the particulars of the moment that
ten second period. It's just do you agree with the
(27:46):
policy or not? Yeah? Yeah, So I'm looking at the
clock and trying to praise the interest of anybody, including
you folks, in the actual legal quest uestion in front
of us. Does anybody have any interest in that? There
are some people, That's what I said. That's my point. Really,
(28:06):
I just yeah, I'm not sure they do. It's handy
to pretend you do. But what you're really saying is
you don't like Trump's policy at all. Right, right, But
how about folks on the conservative side of the issue,
generally speaking, Yeah, generally speaking, who are in support of
the shooting. I would say that if you think it's
impossible for cops to do something wrong, you're you're nuts.
(28:32):
And if you think the cops are always wrong in
these shootings, you're nuts. Yeah, I would agree. Yeah, And
there's those of you who think cops can never do
anything wrong. You don't know any cops. They'll tell you, yes, yeah,
we do. One of the problems is there's a difference
between making a mistake in the blink of an eye
of decision making. There's a difference between making a mistake
and something it's like malicious. And that's the tough part
(28:55):
of being a comp all right. Well, given the lack
of interest in the actual law here and whether the
shooting was actually justified, I probably spent more time than
I should have in researching the actual law, specifically in Minnesota,
that deals with all of this stuff. I will tell
you this, driving your car at an officer in a
way that could hurt or kill them is absolutely assault
(29:18):
with a deadly weapon against the peace officer. The penalties
are rather severe. It is unquestionably use of deadly force.
But I saw that, I saw that portrayed in one
of the lefty news outlets yesterday as like rolling their eyes,
like courts have determined that using your car, driving your
car forward with an officer in front of you is
assault with a deadly weapon. Like that's just nuts to
(29:40):
make that what what? How was a car not a
deadly weapon? Yeah? Wow? Okay, So then you get into
the law governing the police use a deadly force in Minnesota,
and I don't know exactly how that intersects with federal
law since it was federal law enforcements on a federal mission.
(30:02):
But here's the key point. A peace officer may use
deadly force only when necessary to protect the officer or
another person from imminent death or great bodily harm. Or
and here's the key part, to arrest or prevent the
escape of a person the officer reasonably believes has committed
or attempted a felony involving deadly force, and the officer
(30:22):
reasonably believes the person will cause death or great bodily
harm if not immediately apprehended. That's what needs to be
looked at and adjudicated and thought about carefully. A friend
of the show who is in law enforcement and who
has friends in ice, texted me last night where I
was going to bed about the multiple crimes she had
(30:44):
committed throughout the day. If you're going to be technical
about it before you even get to the card there,
and that's so maybe we can talk about that a
little bit later. We got mail bag on the way
and lots of stuff to talk about holy crap, we
might have fifty dollars a barrel oil as far as
the eye can see now that we've taken Venezuela. Based
(31:06):
on a couple of news reports out today and Trump's
plans over the next couple of years, that'd be something gas.
It would be great and terrible. Guess will be pretty
cheap except for in California. Not good for the electric
car industry. Those are all kinds of interesting ripples from this.
Oh yeah, not good for anybody in the energy industry.
And there's a hell of a lot of people like that. Anyway,
(31:28):
more on that to come. Here's your freedom hating quote
of today, sort of kind of, I'm departing from the theme.
It's a great quote from Friedrich Hayek about to term
social justice, which he believed was a piece of deceptive
news speak straight out of orwell used to advance large
scale injustice. Sounds like of justice. Seems like it to
(31:50):
me in most cases. Oh yeah, one hundred percent. And
here's what Hayak said, social justice does not belong to
the category of error that phrase, but to that out
of nonsense, like the term moral stone. It's nonsense. The
term moral justice or a social justice. There's either justice
(32:12):
or injustice. Social justice is Marxism. Mail bag, that's a
good point. Drop us a note mail bag at Armstrong
in giddy dot com. Is the email address? What's again?
Mail bag at Armstrong in giddy dot com. This is
a reference to our three segment one of yesterday's show.
Is that right or is it our Ford? It was
(32:33):
at the nine o'clock hour we discussed that fascinating old
timey bar entertainment in New Orleans our four segment one,
Thank you Katie. This is on the topic of whether
Britgee McCrone is a man or not. I think they
should have Brigitque macron do a Hamdkick live on the television.
(32:53):
That's all I have, Tyler, PS, great show, PS, great email.
Tyler learned about a bar in New Orleans who used
to have something called the ham Kick. That's who it
was famous for. You gotta listen to yesterday's show, January
seventh hour four. Okay, Armstrong, You Getty on demand is
the podcast. You can get it anytime you want, Yatta
subscribe to Moving on another Jay in San Jose writes, Guys,
(33:15):
I'm beginning to warm to Trump's hemisphere doctrine because it's
really back to basic strategy Historically speaking, our hemisphere has
every natural resource we need, big oceans as motes, no
rare earth problems we just need to mine our own,
no oil problem, no agricultural deficits. The US is already
very wealthy, and we carry the biggest stick if you
could pick one. This is the better hemisphere for many reasons.
We value freedom. There are many countries that are lucky
(33:37):
to be living in our sphere of influence. Trump is
chasing the rats out of Rome and clearly drawing lines
about who's in charge on this side of the rock.
That's why he's about right about Greenland. Also not because
of rats. It's there to protect the flank an old
timey self interest following I tend to agree we can
discuss more later. Slow news day hunt. Does anybody care
(33:58):
about protesters anymore? Tim Watson's people want to burn their
city down? Who are we'd argue with that? Can't say
whether the shooting's justifight or not. Don't have all the facts,
and I don't know the law concerning the use deadly
fourth for us. These people don't want facts. They hate
Trump and ice fu and your facts. Can we talk
about Iran, somemore, Yes, and we will talk about Iran
and the shooting next hour. But I want to use
(34:19):
that to set this up. Katie in La says, guys,
I can tell you that the Iranian community in La,
around the world is on pins and needles, hoping that
the Iyatolas are next on Trump's list, praying that Trump
will do the same thing to them as he did
to Meduro. Yes, you heard me, ignorant lefties. We want
the US to come in and save our country from
the clutches of evil dictators. I don't think we're probably
(34:42):
gonna do that a rendition of the Iyahtola, but he
may fall just at the hands of his own people. Finally,
this from Eric red Dye number forty Smith in a
story of Oregon. Dear guys, I must object to your
continued jeremiad's excellent use of the term against so called
ultra processed foods A poorly he defines unscientific category of
(35:02):
yummy eats that are unfairly maligned for shame. Take the
humble cheeto, derived from a wartime effort in nineteen forty
three to dehydrate Wisconsin cheese so we could send tasty
snacks to our boys fighting Tojo and Hitler, is he
claiming the Cheeto's good for you? Is it good for you?
Or is it okay for you? He's claiming its American
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