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August 18, 2025 14 mins

On the Monday August 18, 2025 edition of the Armstrong & Getty One More Thing podcast...

  • Jack & the scale...
  • Joe bring us an article about America's mobility.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Go west, young man. I don't want to. It's one
more thing.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm so before we get to that. Man of scale
was mean to me this morning. I mean mean, I
don't know it thinks I stole. I don't know if
it thinks it's I stole its wife or or something.
But the scale is so mean to me, brutal. I

(00:27):
wonder if it has anything to do with going to
Denny's in the middle of the night the other night
after taking the dog to the vet, or the fact
that I had ice cream twice. The funny thing about
the scale is it's just I mean, it's so reality
based obviously, and and this weird sense that I have

(00:48):
that I can, you know, slip one by the scale somehow.
You know, I'll eat this one. Really shouldn't eat this
sort of thing, right, Just pull a fast one. Yeah,
I'll pull a fast one. Scale won't notice.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
It's so hilarious, it's yeah, and it never works.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
The whole vacation thing.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
You know, calories don't count all or you know it's
been stressful and it'll be fine. I mean, because it
was a stressful day.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
I'm a plate whatever screw.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I'm gonna get a new scale. Throw this one in
the trash and get a new one. Gives me better numbers. Although,
like Trump did with the Bureau Labor Statistics, Lady, I
don't like these numbers. I'm gonna get a different scale.
It gives me better numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, you're fired.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'll just keep going through scales. You got a stack
of them out back, rusting in the rain.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, I heard.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
We're talking about that. The other day.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
They said in their family, they have a bunch of
scales in the uh bathroom because members of the family
have some sort of wearable that communicates with the scale,
and to make it simple, they just each have their
own scale. So they got like four scales in the bathroom.
And he said, if he doesn't get a good number

(02:01):
on his scale, sometimes he gets on a different one
to see if it's better.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Wow, that's a lot of clutter, unless you got an
enormous bathroom.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah huh.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
So mentioned during the radio show today that the number
of Americans who move to pursue a better gig is
dropped to like the all time low as far as
anybody can tell. And I made reference to an article
we'd talked about.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
It had to be at least.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Oh, it was a long time ago about how progressive
froze the American dream in the Atlantic, and it talked
about how nobody's moving like we used to as a people,
and it's really interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
It's long. It's the Atlantic, of course.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
But all sorts of different quotes from historians and observers
of the American scene, and the one thing that strikes
everybody is how mobile we are, and how you don't
grow up in the same village your family's been in
for two hundred and fifty years and you never leave there,
and anybody who comes there is viewed with great suspicion
because what are you doing here?

Speaker 1 (03:07):
This is our village? And how America is not like
that at all.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
No, it never has been up until now, I guess,
but it's funny. It just popped into my head. One
of them, not one of the number one thing I
don't like about the fact that I came from a
moving family as a kid and now as an adult
is the lack of other family being around. I didn't
grow up near cousins and grandparents. My kids aren't growing

(03:33):
up nearing cousins and grandparents. And I see other people
that have that in their lifestyle and look so awesome.
But we're not getting married and having kids, and people
seem to care less about family than they ever have.
So the moving hasn't stopped because of that. It's got
to be other reasons.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, it's also worth pointing out.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
I know more than one person who is driven completely
insane by the proximity of their family and the need
to deal with them on a regular basis, whether they
like to or not, because you can't choose your family.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
I hear those complaints, but I gotta believe over all
the upside to be better than the downside.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Depends who you ask, but yeah, I see your point.
So this is one of my favorite parts about this article.
Then I'll get to the main thing that I wanted
to bring to you. But when ceaseless migration, I'm sorry,
the ceaseless migration that we have shaped a new way
of thinking. When the mobility of populations was always so great,
the historian Carl Becker observed, the strange face, the odd speech,

(04:34):
the curious custom of dress, and the unaccustomed religious faith
ceased to be a matter of comment or concern, and
as people live to learn to live alongside one another,
the possibilities of pluralism or something like it. Open The
term stranger in other lands synonymous with enemy instead, wrote
Becker wrote, became a common form of friendly salutation. This

(04:58):
is the only nation in the world that would say
something like County stranger.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Oh that's true. Yeah, interesting.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
I thought that was kind of cool in a way.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
But anyway, the main reason I wanted to bring this
up is the concept of moving Day. And again, we
talked about this months and months ago, but the great
American holiday, the great holiday of American society at its
most nomadic, was Moving Day, observed by renters and landlords
throughout the nineteenth century and well into the twentieth. And

(05:30):
it's funny, there's a nickname for Saturday on the PGA tour.
It's moving Day because you try to get higher in
the standings whatever. But and I've always heard that expression,
but I've never known what it meant. Really, So nineteenth
and twentieth century Moving Day was a festival of new
hopes and beginnings, of shattered dreams and shattered crockery, as
a Chicago newspaper put it in eighteen eighty two, quite

(05:52):
as recognized today as Christmas or the fourth of July.
It was primarily an urban holiday, although many rural communities
where least farms predominated, held their own observances. The dates
differed from state to state and city to city. It's
April first in Pittsburgh, October first in Nashville and New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
But May first was the most popular, and.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Nothing quite so astonished visitors from a boa abroad as
the spectacle of thousands upon thousands of people picking up
and swapping homes on a single day.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I assume everybody has the same question to me, why
did that happen? I mean, why, how did everybody agree
that we're going to move on the same day?

Speaker 3 (06:32):
It just it came to me exactly, leases just landlords.
I mean, there's an obvious incentive for having all of
your potential renters be available on the same day that
your current renters depart.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, yeah, I know. I live in a college town.
That's the way it is now. As a renter, that's
exactly the way it is. You go whatever it is
like next week is when the college kids come to
town and the leases start. And that's just the way
it is every year.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I live in a resortee place and Saturday mornings outbound
when all the condos and timeshares and hotels empty, is
crazy traffic. And Saturday afternoon inbound is crazy because everybody's
showing up to do their renolds. But if I'm renting

(07:27):
a condo out it's perfect. Everybody knows it's Saturday, check
out at eleven, check in at four or whatever. And
so that's what evolved. Because we were such immobile people,
huge percentages of people moved every day. And I've got
those numbers around here somewhere. It's you know, again, it's
a very long article with the numbers kind of spread

(07:49):
here hither and yon. But so it just came to
be that moving day was the day everybody moved in
whatever city. For months before moving day, Americans prepared for
the tenants, gave notice lit the landlords or received word of.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
The new rent.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Then followed a frenzied period of house hunting as people,
generally women, scouted for a new place to live that
would in some respect improve upon the old quote. They
want more room, or they want as much room for
less rent, or they want a better location, or they
want some convenience. Not heretofore enjoyed the Topeka Daily capital summarized.
There were months of general anticipation. Cities and towns were

(08:25):
alive with excitement. Then early on the day itself, people
commenced moving everything they owned down to the street corners
in great piles of barrels and crates and carpet bags,
vacating houses and apartments before the new renters arrived. Be
out at twelve you must for another family. Are on
your heels. Uh blah blah blah. And my god, we

(08:48):
were so much more illiterate back in the days, and
Thermapalae was a very tame pass compared with the excitement
with trieses when two families meet in the same hall
in Brooklyn, Minutter warned. Then the car men driving their
wagons and dreys through the narrow roads exchanged charged extortion
at rates, lashing mattresses and furnishings atop other heaps of goods,

(09:12):
and careening through the streets to complete as many runs
as they could before nightfall, and treasure hunters picked up
the detreatise in the gutters as stuff fell off the wagons.
Utility companies scrambled to register all the changes. Dusk found
families that had made local moves, settling into their new homes,
unpacking belongings and meeting the neighbors.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Joe and I have both come from moving families, moved
a lot of as adults. Katie, did you or all
your relatives around?

Speaker 3 (09:42):
My relatives not all of my relatives were around, but
we stayed in the same town for thirty two years
of my life.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
This, see, that's unimaginable to me. Yeah, I mean, I
just can't even picture what it would be like, Michael,
I know you've stayed in the same spot.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, pretty much like Katie.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, everybody knows everything and you can't go to the
grocery store without seeing somebody, you.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Know, Yeah, which is either a good thing or a
bad thing, depending on how you look at it. I
had a girlfriend years ago who she had everybody was
in the same area, and she would talk about, oh boy,
here comes fall because for whatever reason, there were lots
of like cousins with birthdays and anniversaries, and there's just

(10:24):
like eight weekends in a row where everybody was expected
to be at Grandma's house because it's somebody's birthday or
anniversary or something. It just like took up two months
and she was trying to decide whether she wanted to
tell her parents, you know, I'm not going to do
all of them this year. I think. I think I
just can't because it was kind of expected that everybody

(10:47):
showed up for everybody's birthday and I didn't. I don't
have that at all in my life. And you know,
for better or worse, and a lot of it I
think is worse. I wish, I wish my kids would
have been able to be around cousins and stuff a
lot that, But I am raising my kids certainly with
the idea of if you can't find the job you
want here, and you probably can't go to where it is.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, So back in nineteen oh six, for instance, over
a five year span, this is in Saint Louis, Greater
Saint Louis. Over a five year span, eighty percent of
local families would have changed addresses.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, they might have stayed in the same metro area
or the same county or whatever, but they would move.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
That's a completely different lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah. Yeah, there's a different world in a lot of
different ways.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
And actually, the point of this article, which is an
opportunity to take a shot at progressives, which you may
recall from the first time we discussed that was in
New York City, and like the sixties and seventies, progressives
came into neighborhoods and decided this should be preserved just
as it is. We can't lose the quaint character of
this neighborhood. And America would say, yeah, we want to

(12:02):
update it, we want to improve it, we want to
tear down what is not efficient and build what is efficient,
and do what we've always done as a country.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
But the progressive said, no, we can't do that.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
That's ugly and blah blah blah, and that is what
caused a lot of the shortages of housing in our cities.
And you know, it's true, and they make a really,
really good case, and it is the nimby nature of
lefties and how they fall in love with a particular look.

(12:34):
Never mind that that neighborhood didn't look like that twenty
years before, because that wasn't the right use for that neighborhood.
They didn't need as many you know, shops and boutiques
they needed whatever, and twenty years from now they'll need
completely different stuff. So why are you freezing it in amber? Well,
because it's sweeten I live here, and I want to

(12:56):
protect my property value. At the same time, somebody once
said to me they were talking about Rome, and they said, yeah,
we tear down our colosseums, so nobody, no future civilization
will ever visit our colisseums because we just tear them
down and build something new, which is better.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
You win with the comment that everything was very different
back in nineteen oh six.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
It was very very different. Computers were very slow, no
Wi Fi at all. No Wi Fi was spotty at best.
Coverage is spotty.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
The iPhone cameras were crap. They were like twelve pixels.
Twelve pixels period. You guys want to see something cool.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
My wife and I ran into this yesterday, ironically, nineteen
oh six San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
They have footage of what it was like in San
Francisco nineteen oh six.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
It's amazing. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
It is. If you've seen it slowed down and colorized,
it's just incredible. Yeah. I love stuff like that. If
you had a time machine, you could go back and
just like walk around the street someplace, it be endlessly fascinating.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Pick a new time like every week, do it a
few times a year of course.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
She has scratched yourself on a rusty nail, and you'll
be dead by the end of the day because there's
no antibiotics.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
But eh, where's that she would have been more careful? Well,
wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute, No,
there are no antibiotics.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
But if you had a technics shot, that would go
with you to the other time, right right?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Well, I guess I don't know. How do time machines work.
Do your vaccinations go with you in the time machine?
I assume they.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Oh, sure they do what I don't know, why would they? Well,
something to think about. I guess that's it.
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